/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

GRIM

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>39724428
Sure, let's debut a new wave during it then

>>39724445
Recent clip numbers
>>39722688
>>39722726
>>39722785
>>39722817
>>39722854

>>39724362
>management is expecting Kronii to suddenly throw up a stream during one of the busiest times of the year where you're supposed to be with friends and family
Doesn't seem to be a problem to any of the girls in this pic
>streams since the 23rd, pic related
Is Kronii special in a way these EN girls aren't?

>>39724428
Why do people like to overhype things?

>>39724495
Dead cat

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY *
>61,583: Maimoto (Nijisanji)
>60,039: Pekora (Hololive)
>41,380: Hololive (Hololive)
>27,746: Natsume (Nijisanji)
>26,231: Marine (Hololive)
>24,107: Kanata (Hololive)
>22,624: Suisei (Hololive)
>22,388: Pekora (Hololive)
>22,150: Lui (Hololive)
>21,756: Nene (Hololive)
>16,954: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>16,335: Fubuki (Hololive)
>16,165: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>15,287: Botan (Hololive)
>13,636: Mio (Hololive)
>12,913: Bae (Hololive)
>12,896: Koyori (Hololive)
>12,359: Lamy (Hololive)
>11,647: Ame (Hololive)
>11,369: Luna (Hololive)
>10,766: Fumi (Nijisanji)
>10,639: Shu (Nijisanji)
>10,362: Iroha (Hololive)

>>39724499
So they can grudgepost later

>>39724445
kusogaki on the right

>>39724509
Is that the Sabaru leech guy?

>>39724509
>DECEMBER 2022 GOLDS
1) Aqua (Hololive) - 74,863 - Birthday totsumachi
2) Miko (Hololive) - 43,734 - Molly Online w/Suisei
3) Pekora (Hololive) - 119,225 - 2 million subs celebration 3D
4) Toya (Nijisanji) - 108,918 - Niji MK Cup rules & lottery
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 65,711 - Fate/Grand Order gacha
6) Mio (Hololive) - 69,368 - New outfit reveal
7) Mio (Hololive) - 88,166 - 4th anniversary 3D live
8) Fubuki (Hololive) - 34,626 - Fate/Grand Order gacha
9) Hisui (Nijisanji) - 43,193* - 3D debut
10) Hex (Nijisanji) - 59,875 - Debut stream
11) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 177,944* - Niji MK Cup qualifiers
12) Miko (Hololive) - 55,852 - Party Panic collab w/Polka, Fubuki & Suisei
13) Toya (Nijisanji) - 86,262 - Niji MK Cup finals rules & lottery
14) Pekora (Hololive) - 65,176 - Announcement stream
15) Fulgur (Nijisanji) - 30,227 - Statement on Yugo graduation
16) Miko (Hololive) - 46,343 - Pokemon Scarlet egg hatching
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 110,266 - New outfit reveal
18) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 195,196 - Niji MK Cup finals
19) Pekora (Hololive) - 50,805 - Pokemon Violet w/Koyori
20) Pekora (Hololive) - 62,091 - Fate/Grand Order gacha
21) Towa (Hololive) - 47,733 - Startend off-collab
22) Watame (Hololive) - 39,051 - Clubhouse 51 gyakutotsu
23) Lilpa (Isegye Idol) - 72,400 - 3D live
24) Marine (Hololive) - 112,194 - Sister Marine gyakutotsu
25) Toya (Nijisanji) - 127,295 - TouPea Christmas 2022
26) Maimoto (Nijisanji) - 61,583 - Nijisanji Mahjong Cup 2023 rules & lottery

>PER COMPANY
16x: Hololive
9x: Nijisanji
1x: Isegye Idol

>PER STREAMER
6x: Pekora
3x: Miko, Toya
2x: Mio, Nijisanji
1x: Aqua, Fubuki, Fulgur, Hex, Hisui, Lilpa, Marine, Towa, Watame

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
236x: Hololive
111x: Nijisanji
6x: Indie, Neo Porte
1x: Isegye Idol, Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
57x: Pekora
24x: Miko
19x: Kuzuha
18x: Aqua
17x: Nijisanji
16x: Salome, Subaru
11x: Marine
9x: Toya
8x: Mio
7x: Suisei
6x: Hal, Hololive, Kanata
5x: Flare, Fuwa, Gura, Koyori, Noel, Towa
4x: Chloe, Korone, Okayu, Polka
3x: Ayame, Choco, Fubuki, Lui, Maimoto, Mayuzumi, Mel
2x: Ange, Botan, Ibrahim, Iroha, Lamy, Laplus, Mito, Mori, Mysta, Nene, Nerumero, Shion, Sora, Tsukasa, Vox, Watame, Yashiro
1x: AI, Akabane, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Fulgur, Furen, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hex, Hisui, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Lain, Leos, Lilpa, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Moona, Nagao, Naruse, Natsume, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Ui, Yorumi, Zeta

>>39724188
NEGIU
ORIO
UMISEA
at least 3 official groups.

How the fuck is Nijisanji doing idol shit better than Hololive? There was no billboard hype for Hololive concerts at all

>>39724495
but kronii is in that pic anon

>>39724546
What the fuck are you on? Nijis are not idols. Did you not see their report?

>>39724541
>2022 SILVERS
>PER COMPANY
237x: Hololive
107x: Nijisanji
6x: VSPO
5x: Indie
4x: Neo Porte
1x: PRISM Project

>PER STREAMER
55x: Pekora
37x: Miko
29x: Kuzuha
22x: Marine
16x: Suisei
15x: Subaru
11x: Gura, Salome
10x: Nijisanji
8x: Hololive
7x: Fubuki, Korone, Toya
6x: Aqua, Botan, Fuwa
4x: Koyori, Lize
3x: Flare, Hal, Lamy, Lui
2x: Haachama, Kanae, Kanata, Leos, Luna, Maimoto, Mayuzumi, Noel, Shiina, Towa, Tsukasa, Tsuna, Vox, Watame
1x: Akina, Akira, Alban, Amelia, Aster, Ayame, AZKi, Beni, Choco, Chronoir, Debi, Ema, Gaku, Gatchman, Genzuki, Hayato, Hinano, Hololive Indonesia, Hoshikawa, Iofi, Ina, Iroha, IRyS, Kaela, Kanae, Karuta, Kiara, Kronii, Laplus, Lauren, Levi, Matsuri, Mio, Mito, Moona, Nari, Nene, Nerumero, Okayu, Oliver, Ponpoko, Ramune, Ren, Rion, Ririmu, Risu, Ritsuki, Roboco, ROF-MAO, Rushia, Sara Nagare, Shion, Suzuya Aki, Toko, Uki, Ver, Warabeda, Yashiro, Yui

>>39724542
You forgot Spice Love and Star Flower

>>39724575
Is Star Flower even official? Is there PR article for them?

>>39724546
Anon....
>they even erased Luna to include Rushia back

It Just now hit me
Those are new 3D models.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3BU_Dh0T0E

>>39724559
That would just make my point stronger

oh boi NJU gonna mog coco number

>>39724576
>2022 BRONZES
>PER COMPANY
230x: Hololive
110x: Nijisanji
6x: Indie, Neo Porte
2x: 774 Inc., Noripro, VSPO
1x: Holostars

>PER STREAMER
42x: Miko
34x: Subaru
33x: Pekora
30x: Kuzuha
17x: Marine
12x: Salome
10x: Gura, Nijisanji
8x: Toya
6x: Koyori
5x: Fubuki, Hal, Lamy, Okayu, Suisei
4x: Aqua, Botan, Chloe, Korone, Mori, Shion
3x: Amelia, Choco, Hayato, Hololive, Iroha, Lize, Lui, Rushia, Sasaki
2x: Ayame, Fuwa, Gwelu, Ibrahim, Kanata, Kiara, Kobo, Mio, Mito, Mumei, Mysta, Nerumero, Nijisanji English, Nui, Shiina, Tamaki, Towa, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi
1x: Aia, Aki, AZKi, Dola, Enna, Flare, Gaku, Gatchman, Haachama, Ike, Kaede, Kaida, Kanae, Kazaki, Kohaku, Kyoko, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Magni, Maimoto, Mayuzumi, Mel, Meloco, Met, Minase, Noel, Nose, Patra, Petra, Polka, Ponpoko, Ponto, Rikiichi, Roboco, Rosemi, Ryushen, Sora, Sumire, Tsukasa, Ui, Voltaction

>>39724605
Toko now has 4 3D models

my cute wife... decided to stream at real dogshit hours what the fuck

>>39724624
These surely look like Fauna, Mumei and Ame expys

kanata really should've left pekomiko alone... now peko's gonna overlap her

*YESTERDAY’S FINAL EN TALLY*

>12/26 DAILY TALLY
12,913: Baelz (Hololive)
11,647: Amelia (Hololive)
10,639: Shu (Nijisanji)
9,797: Fauna (Hololive)
6,867: Selen (Nijisanji)
6,423: Mori (Hololive)
6,103: Axel (Hololive)
5,055: Mumei (Hololive)

>EN GOLD FOR DECEMBER
1. Selen (Nijisanji) - 10,488 (Birthday Celebration)
2. Gura (Hololive) - 29,931 (Unarchived Karaoke)
3. IRyS (Hololive) - 9,071 (Ring Fit Adventure)
4. Gura (Hololive) - 17,498 (Fifa 23)
5. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 22,040 (Return Stream)
6. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 9,326 (Not clicking on the stream to find out what it is)
7. Maria (Nijisanji) - 8,755 (All day 24 hour birthday stream)
8. Gura (Hololive) - 14,660 (The Callisto Protocall)
9. IRyS (Hololive) - 12,271 (JP Song Karaoke)
10. Hex (Nijisanji) - 59,875 (Vtuber Debut)
11. Fauna (Hololive) - 42,767 (New Outfit Reveal)
12. Meloco (Nijisanji) - 11,555 (Getting Over It)
13. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 10,263 (Simulacra)
14. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 21,166 (1 Million Subscribers Endurance)
15. Fungus (Nijisanji) - 30,277 (Quick talk)
16. Meloco (Nijisanji) - 21,769 (Debut Karaoke)
17. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 17,543 (HANDCAM)
18. Luca (Nijisanji) - 18,712 (Unarchived Karaoke)
19. Baelz (Hololive) - 13,291 (Newly Friend Game w/Marine)
20. Vox (Nijisanji) - 41,650 (Anniversary Gameshow)
21. Shu (Nijisanji) - 30,335 (Anniversary Debut Reaction)
22. Amelia (Hololive) - 10,571 (GeoGuessr)
23. Vox (Nijisanji) - 14,711 (Unarchived Karaoke)
24. Uki (Nijisanji) - 12,416 (Unarchived Karaoke)
25. IRyS (Hololive) - 14,919 (Unarchived Karaoke)
26. Baelz (Hololive) - 12,913 (Clubhouse 51 w/Towa)

>GOLD PER COMPANY
Hololive - 10
Nijisanji - 16
Others - 0

>GOLD PER STREAMER
5x: Mysta
3x: Gura, IRyS
2x: Meloco, Vox, Baelz
1x: Selen, Maria, Hex, Fauna, Fungus, Luca, Shu, Amelia, Uki

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
36p: Mysta
19p: Fauna
18p: Gura, IRyS
13p: Baelz, Amelia
12p: Vox
11p: Meloco
9p: Mumei
8p: Hex, Fungus, Luca, Uki
7p: Vox, Shu
6p: Kiara
5p: Selen, Maria, Kronii
4p: Mori
3p: Ike, Noir, Ver, Millie, Enna, Alban
1p: Petra, Pippa, Pomu

>>39724598
>manager: remove the girl from 3rd first row

Just my personal opinion. From what I see there are several tiers of streamers, loosely base on income and popularity. Holos itself has ascended to the point that they don't need to thank every superchat while nijisanji, at least nijiEN that I know, some still act like 3view even though most of them is not, in that they thank and respond to each and every superchat. The next step is definitely merch sells and concert tickets, which the entire hololive is transitioning into. This theory can explain why this year nijisanji is topping all the SCs while holos are not.

The entirety of JP's 1st army can potentially sell concert tickets without any effort probably except Subaru. But most of the girls' revenue are now depending on merch. On the other hand, EN only have Mori who have proven to be able to attract people with paid concerts. Gura and Kiara probably can do it which I have no doubt. Others can live on merch but it seems like most of them still have the "SC as main income" mentally, just like how some of the nijiEN cannot get out of 3view mentality yet.

>2homo and Iofi going to overlap kanatan
bros the sign, this is 100k stream

>>39724598
EN and ID shield from homo is kinda funny.
Do management think kaigai niki love homos or something?

>>39724627
Damn, sexy hag can't keep getting away with it!

Technically 3.5, because her base has a sleeves rolled up version.

>>39724713
100k might be too much for Solo live. Alteast 70k is on the cards

>>39724719
Why you think they released tempiss?

>>39724735
Base
Sanbaka Idol
Fantasia
Nornis

>>39724735

>>39724704
Everyone makes their money off merch, even the Nijis. That's the majority revenue stream for any corporate vtuber unless they are an extraordinary SC earner like say Coco, Rushia, or Vox.

Is there actually any hype for Nornis songs or is it all botted behavior? I listen to some Niji songs on YT music but Nornis songs never come up. In comparison, I get a lot of Kamitsubaki songs.

>>39724779
Pretty good I'd say

>>39724591
The wiki says officia, but I can't find the pr article

WHO WOULD WIN?
>THE MOST ADVERTISED NEW IDOL UNIT, ARMED WITH 3D BILLBOARDS AND A MASSIVE AD BUDGET?
>one pon blonde girl having a pajama party with her close mates

THE ANSWER WILL ANGER AND CONFUSE YOU!

Can Nornis even beat Amanekanatach today.

>>39724779
Don't think so. First one generated hype, but laters ones killed it.

>>39724779
they get shit numbers anon

>>39724814
Kek based nene, i hope she's showing them all her cool beetles

>>39724744
They were scared of luxiem

Am I the only one who gets surprised when I see a genuine Niji dedicated fan? I feel like I am surrounded by Holo community all the time, even this thread which is supposed to be a neutral one.
My brain refuses to accept there are people watching Niji like I am watching Holo

I have a feeling Myth also have new outfits but they're being held up by whichever Council is delayed. it would be a bad look for Myth to get more outfits before all of Council has at least 1 non-kimono.

>>39724816
They can't beat a retarded bettle farmers

>>39724814
>full gen collab
>not even 50k
Why is gen 5 such a failure?

>>39724814

>>39724814
AIEEEE NEPOLABO WINNING WHILE OVERLAPPING TWO FGO STREAMS.

>>39724857
Try Chinese communities

>>39724857
I watch Pomu does that count.

>>39724868
Kek. I always laugh at that ending

>>39724770
Yeah but there is clearly a fixed pathway to grow. You can't jump from using SCs as your primary revenue to selling merch instantly. Hololive has passed the SC period and is entering merch sales period while Nijisanji started having a boom of SCs and will soon transition.

>>39724858
Irys has yet to have a single outfit; Didnt stop Council to get 2

>>39724814
Oh sweet, is this the collab that got postponed because Polka got sick?

>>39724888
die nijinigger reeeeeeee

>>39724868
So fucking cool

>>39724868
Holo (left) vs Niji (right)

>>39724541
>People from this list we won't see again in 2023:
Ai, Axia, Melissa, Mayuzumi, Rushia, Sana
>People we might see more of:
Lilpa

It's still weird to me that they scheduled Nagao Kei's 3D debut right after Warabeda's graduation and took her gold.

>>39724888
Everybody keeps saying she and Selen are Hololite, I don't think they count.

>>39724623
bots prepared already?

>>39724909
I think so and, damn, their matching outfits are cute!

>>39724936
>everybody
only beggars

>>39724857
Bruh have you tried /nijien/? Or better yet, try to enter the sisters' den /nenmen/.

>>39724897
There's a lag but it's like 6 months before your stuff can start rolling out. Keep in mind they get ad rev after the first month and membership cash start rolling in at that time as well. If you're in a big corporation the window where most of your income is SCs is pretty small. Small corpos like Phase Connect, Kawaii ect that's the daily reality for them their entire careers. SC becomes much more important the smaller you get.

>>39724936
They are not.

>>39724924
>People we might see more of:
>Lilpa
Seems like quite a few people are expecting a Korean vtubing incline next year

>>39724907
IRyS got a redesign. She's now outside the normal flow of outfits since everything had to wait until the redesign got finalized.

>>39724857
just browse the vtuber topic on twitter and you'll immediately want to kill yourself after seeing the nijifags there.

>>39724996
So how is KR vtuber scene look like?

>>39724996
With Isigye showing up on Youtube for their big ticket events you can safely assume they'll be around with the same frequency of VSPO and Neo-Porte

https://youtu.be/PFJF6z-VbgM
Nose...

>>39725011
I'm glad IRyS got her redesign. I think July 2023 she can have her 3D debut. I bet the idol clique are waiting for her.

>>39724984
That is true. Smaller corpo's growth is limited to SC. I think the next step from merch is really just paid concerts and I cannot see that every holo can successfully pull it off or have the energy to do both stream and concert regularly.

>>39724996
I'll believe it when we get some credible secondary Korean companies and streamers. It's hard to really say a country's vtuber scene is popping off when it's literally just 6 people and fuck all else.

is gen 5 the gen that has the best synergy out of all the existing gens?

>>39725048
She's already hinted it'll be done for the next Holofes.

>>39725061
Yeah.

Shiinabros.......
https://twitter.com/kami_shun0505/status/1607677797295685635

>>39725046
Sio could have benefitted from the Towa incline and become one of the well known indies. Shitposting about Roboco was not worth it

>>39724996
The only good thing that can come out of it is to expose more normies to the world of vtubing, but only a slim chance that will happen. Worst thing that can happen is they will pull the industry towards gook musics which is sad and disgusting.

>>39725101
Sio could have benefitted from sitting on my face

>>39725048
>July 2023
If she doesn’t get a 3D debut before holofes, she will almost certainly have an official 3D debut probably within a months time after the event is over. There’s nothing holding it back. She’s already have the 3D model ready and finished and she lives in Japan. If she doesn’t get it around then, I’d unironically think cover has some hyper nationalistic management who fucking hate anyone who’s not some pureblood Jap

>>39725098
Same mama as Shiina Yuika?

>>39725050
Concerts are a special bonus for those that can and want to do them. I would say what, less than 1/4th of Holos in JP have ever done a paid solo concert?

>>39725061
its 2nd gen

>>39725061
I'd say gamers

>>39725149
Yeah, the are sister and do Collab often

>>39725162
if gamers only consist mio, okayu, and korone
yes

>>39725149
Yep. They cute together too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTsTIMQwVUY

>>39725098
El gato sexo

39725031
On Twitch it's on the rise.
They got more new 1k+ in the last 6 months than EN twitch vtubing saw during their 6 month boom after HoloEN debut.
Still, only 2 chuubas outside of Isegye can consistently get over 4k, and one of them is their manager.

>>39725152

>>39725061
gamers is pretty up there, sankisei kinda? the other gens are messes

>>39725162
Gamers is just two pairs of couples hanging out though.

>>39725191
I mean, it kind of does. Fubuki is a fake Gamers.

>>39725061
It’s pretty much gen5 and councilrys, then a giant powergap in this day and age. You can add gen 3 into that category if you feel confident they’re that close nowadays. I feel like Pekomari is what keeps it alive, at least from my view of it

>>39725225
>councilrys
>synergy
The reason SNOT is even a thing is because that's not actually true

>>39724866
youtube cull

>>39724807

>>39725200
Who's the other one? Assuming you were responding to me but it got bugged or something.

>>39725061
The guilt of killing Aloe.

>>39725217
You're just proving my point

>>39725225
>CouncilRyS
I feel like you just project BaeRyS as CouncilRyS.

>>39725257
>English version

>>39725098
Damn, sad. Shiina's Sehcsi too, though ahe tries not to be.

>>39725276
Bae is the council.

>>39725273
>the happiest member are the most depressed and still feel guilty

>>39725048
>idol clique
Are you fucking retarded?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b1Tf9ZA4Jw
New Kanata song

>>39725301
He is talking about SorAZKi

God bless Selen, parading this littany of midgets through the Niji EN Minecraft server

>>39725166
>>39725192
Why does she have such low ccv compared to other people in her gen? I don't understand how popularity in niji works.

>>39725321
Did they show them all the stuff they cheated in

>>39725321
Native Japanese speaker Pomu Rainpuff is responsible for the JP tour, but she doesn't have a POV.

>>39725351
They're literally using hack mods on the tour so uh...yeah.

>>39725352
Why not Yu- oh....
Why not Shu?

>>39725368
Kek my sides

>>39725351
>>39725368
they using mod???

>>39725368
I was joking, are you serious?

>>39725225
Imagine if bae's va was actually competent. Councilrys would be so strong and completely shit on Myth and Luxiem with no effort.

New Vtuber company
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzbsBoJZxHk

>>39725368
kek, no fucking way! I wonder how the nip among them will react

>>39725098
Anyone else I'm missing?

>>39725401
Bae does her job.

>>39725276
BaeRyS is the worst part of council. Only kromei comes close to being as bad.
The only good council ship is faumei.

>>39725276
>>39725250
And you think the replies here are any better? People listed out fucking gamers as a gen of synergy. That’s the biggest asterisk in all of vtubing without even a fucking question. Fubuki and Mio were literal classmates and friends for years before even joining hololive, and Korone and Okayu were already close friends too. This was the age of nepotism, like of course there’s synergy. That’s like debuting someone and their own brother and people go “wow, look how close they are!” Like no shit dude.

>>39725401
Anyone else in council getting Bae's model would do even worse.

>>39725401
Council's failure is about effort and not about talent. Why do you think a lot of fans are disappointed. Myth at least showed some effort before they dipped when they reached 1M subs.

>>39725432
>not even 15k
GRIM

>>39725444
https://twitter.com/nyorinyori/status/1607698328858537986
Moona

>>39725098
I wonder if Okayu getting hornier has a noticeably effect on the sales

>>39725460
>you think the replies here are any better?
>GAMERS are friends
>of course there’s synergy.
You made it look like the answers were bad but, given the question, the answers were good and have nothing to do with the lack of gen wide synergy between council members

>>39725432
>click link
>fleshbags
uh ok

>>39725432
As a long time fan of im@s, this shit's going to most likelyh go the way of Korean im@s did. They're going to throw them in the deep end of the pool and hope the iM@S name carries it without actually giving them support. If they actually do give them support, I'll be shocked, because Bamco has no fucking idea how to handle ANY of their IPs. The only reason iM@S still exists as it is, is because Cygames made CG.

>>39725444
kakage really love her second daughter, it shame his unborn daughter cant make it

>>39725460
Can it really be called nepotism if all three of them were excellent picks?

>>39725469
Give me a single talent bae has.

>>39725469
Blame Mori.

>>39725503
>her

>>39725509
Nepotism doesn't mean whoever got hired is a bad fit for the role they got hired for. It's just a word for how they got their position.

>>39725444
That Fauna stuff is nice. Not sure how much interest the JP market has for her though.

>>39725509
Yes. They got hired because Fubuki was the most popular at the time

>>39725526
Filling dead air.

>>39725526
First give me a single talent Fauna has

>>39725509
Can it really be called nepotism is they aren't related to each other? People here are fucking retarded.

>>39725526
collabing with homo without backlash

>>39725469
>effort
Council puts in their fair share of effort considering their circumstances outside of kronii. It's a hiring problem, not an effort problem.

>>39725541
It would've sold through Asagi's name/circle alone, that said it's not just a Fauna art book unfortunately

>>39725537
Being hired on a referral was never called nepotism before in any industry.
I don’t see what would make the vtuber industry different in this respect.

Gen 5 merch shilling time

>>39725474
imagine if its Hololive in disguise and he is in charge being the official OG of Korean vtuber to search for HoloKR

>>39725460
>gamers are too close so they don't count

gokifailures

>>39725537
Yes her, I'd fuck kakagemamas vtuber model

>>39725469
Council are doing fine. Their sub counts are shit but that's mostly just Susan fuckery and not debuting around the vtuber boom. Maybe you could argue kronii and mumei are reclining too much but I'm sure at least mumei will get her shit together soon enough.

>>39725640
Ignore the post link
I am talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2crirMyLD8

>>39725586
Holy sex

>Gokisei had the perfect color scheme of red-blue-yellow-black-pink
>And then they lost Aloe
>Sankisei had the perfect color scheme of red-blue-green-yellow-white
>And then they lost [REDACTED]
I hope EN3 or JP7 has a perfect color scheme to correct this inbalance.

>>39725619
If you believe the story, Korone got in because it was Mio's ultimatum for joining hololive

>>39725098
>choosing the best daughter
seems based to me

>>39725432
too many ojisans

>>39725444
My mother in law https://twitter.com/nana_kaguraaa/status/1607220389658382337

Gamers are the Wilt Chamberlain of hololive synergy. You can’t deny it

>>39725526
Voice acting, script writing, singing, dancing, very good job JP bridging, trilingual (still learning Korean)

>>39725768
go back chocoball

>>39725768
Show one Korone duo collab with each gamer

>>39725774
>Voice acting
roru
>Script writing
rumao
>dancing
kek
>Very good job JP bridging
KEK
>Singing
TOP FUCKING KEK

>>39725819
Nice comeback anon. You sure showed him.

>>39725526
GFE

>>39725774
nta but
>singing
Are you sure anon? Have you listened to her karaokes?

>>39725819
Show a nijifaggot proof, his throat gets cock-destroyed and he starts screeching kek like a Pokemon
Many such cases

Will gen 5 shill kanata's live?

>>39725101
Sio was bigger than Towa when she collabed with Towa. Towa was the least watched holo, lower than everyone in the company. Sio was the biggest indie at the time. Towa was helped by Sio, not the other way around.

>>39725819
quality posting anon

>>39725846
GFE isn't a talent and when you repeatedly call it cringe then it defeats the purpose

>>39725819
chumkek cope

>>39725678
they're doing fine but them not taking initiative and making special events for themselves kind of killed their hype

https://youtu.be/szUbg1Yar5c
>early start
COME IN HERE FAGS

>>39725774
>dancing
How would you even know that

>>39725863
They did

No guests?

>>39725860
nta but I've listened to her covers and orisong.

>>39725774
Agree with everything here but dancing and singing. We haven't seen bae dance yet and she's an average singer within holoEN at best.

>>39725864
I mean everyone was bigger than Towa during her male yab arc. Towa and even Nose grew as the vtubing world grew. Sio could have been the biggest indie right now if those ceiling ninjas did not steal her wifi and shitpost about Roboco.

Kino inbound.

GO AMANEKANATACH GO

>>39725774
>very good job JP bridging
I'll disagree with this one.
I genuinely can't remember Bae bridging JP into the EN audience or Council into the JP audience.

Kiara does this, Coco did this. Did Bae ever even once did this?

>>39725860
Her first reaction to Moona's live was that she learns kpop styles just like her

Whatever numbers she gets she has my respect for doing a solo 2 years in a row.

>kino from the getgo

>>39725819
Spoken like a true cuck sapling/chumfuck.
Bae is JP level on paper, only being debuffed due to Straya hours.

The rest of Council are a bunch of talentless whores outside of Mumei. Your green bitch can’t even do ASMR right.

I'm not super confident guessing Kanata's peak, what are people thinking?

>>39725368
I thought they passed control of their server to management and have it linked to the other servers?

>>39725949
Sio should just took the hit like a champ. Look at Laplus, oh wait...

Pekora really hates Kanata doesn't she?
Is it cause of the Pekomiko song?

>>39726009
80k. Unless Pekora ends

>>39725860
Yes? She sounds good enough to me even with her throat shot these days. She still has a long way to go before she touches the top 3 but she is clearly improving

>>39726018
she hates everyone anon.

Kanata 40k from the getgo with one of the best vocaloid songs ever made: Reol - Hibikase.
>doesn't fit her voice, 6/10 for the effort

>>39726004
>Mumei
That in itself is debatable. She's a good singer and a decent artist but nothing special.

>>39726011
They do but they're still running mods on it. Not sure how that whole dynamic works.

>>39726009
if it's a solo, 60 to 80k range

>>39726018
Yes, she needs to teach her a lesson

REOL MOGGED

Is uh..is Pekora overlapping her? She's getting ready to end right?

>>39725444
hey nijibro can you do this kind of compile, i want to see your livers mama's work

>>39726004
>Bae is JP level on paper
yes, Matsuri level

Ohnonono nosagibros

>>39725530
>Mori is mama owl and is forcing Mumei to finish college
>Mori told Baes parents to make sure she finishes school
>Mori gave Kronii depression and convinced her relative to beat her
>Mori ran over Sana and broke her back

>>39725860
I feel like karaokes are not a great way to measure talent. Like for instance, people will agree that Towa is a great singer in holo but she’s so hit or miss with karaoke.

If you want my honesty, I don’t think Bae’s actually a bad singer, she just tries too hard or tries too little in karaokes. Sometimes she will try to belt out a note that just seems too out of reach for her and it comes out sounding shaky as hell. But I don’t think I’d say she’s bad when she grounds herself and is serious with putting on a good show

PPT should stick to vocaloid songs. Her voice is really suited to it. Stop trying to use songs with actual great singers. You just end up looking worse

so when's this bitch supposed to go deaf again? she's still decent at singing.

Is this a Miku live?

>>39726084
threadreader but apparently she told people that if they wanted to watch the 3d live, they could leave and watch the fgo archive later

Here is Kanata highest CCV peaks, for reference

>peak :: date :: title :: video_id
>109528 :: 2020-07-05 :: 【#天音かなた3D】天音かなた3Dお披露目!いっぱい見てっ! :: ZUW6CcY-Yf0
>96348 :: 2021-04-22 :: 【#かなたん爆誕】お誕生日 3D LIVE :: aPHng8urnYY
>89262 :: 2021-05-05 :: 【#天音かなた新衣装】天使のお仕事コスチュームNew outfit :: A4efgn3MD-w
>84711 :: 2021-01-01 :: 【#ホロライブ正月衣装】Live2D 2.0も同時公開 :: 0lxAqsyXqeg
>82163 :: 2022-04-22 :: 【3DLIVE】バーチャルアイドルが踊ってみた! #かなたんしか勝たん :: _pC9JaHyyjQ
>79770 :: 2022-12-25 :: 【#ホロクリスマス歌枠リレー】かなたそなに歌う :: eauxuiG2Ah0
>78063 :: 2021-06-09 :: 【雑談】ざつだん :: bPvnk0ERPmo
>64022 :: 2021-01-02 :: 【#天音かなた3DLIVE】僕が主役でもいいですか? :: 8lkam88qeZw
>61047 :: 2022-05-01 :: 【#天音かなた新衣装】新衣装お披露目会NEW OUTFIT :: BToKPiYqib0
>55269 :: 2021-07-13 :: 【Minecraft】青ウーパー最終回セカンドシーズン後編 :: Xlx_cAJP13o

She has a surprisingly high ceiling?

>>39726042
Without knowing the song, I think she sounds great singing it

Do you think Nazuna is watching to see how a real angel acts?

>>39726004
Fauna is a good entertainer/streamer and an okay artist.
Mumei is an extremely talented streamer, organizes events despite her circumstances and is a really good artist when she tries(she barely draws anymore according to her tho)
For bae you can refer to >>39725774
Kronii... Yea

>>39726093
That's an insult to Matsuri, she's one of the best performers in concerts.

Unironically, why is Peko such a greedy bitch?

>>39726109
This is her in a weakened state

>>39726084
This is Pekora's revenge for Kanata singing Pekomiko song

>>39726109
>when
She's already partially deaf. I bet she just sings using vibrations.

>>39726122
Does she know she could also just not be a bitch and stream over so many other holo's big events?

>>39726018
I am watching Kanata as a nousagi. Pekora needs to get over her trauma.

>>39726122
Oh shit, is she learning from Amelia Watson?

>>39725982
Kaigaigumi formation
Newlyfriend game

>>39726094
Mori is Reverse Flash confirmed.

IT WAS ME GURA.

>>39726133
>Mumei is an extremely talented streamer
Meant to say singer.

>>39726129
The song is made for the vocaloid range, it is one of those that can't really sound good performed by humans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC_qla6FQwM

Certainly Nijisanji's idol group can beat a singular Hololive idol.

>>39726159
she has streamed over so many of them that i don't think she cares

>>39726165
Amelia isnt her mabudachi for no reason.

>>39726191
They already lost to the beetle farmer

>>39726133
>Fauna is a good entertainer/streamer
Stopped reading there

I wish Kanata would get a sexier 3D outfit

>talking about ENsharts during a 3D live
go back

>>39726167
Please link it because these might be too obscure references to things she might have done, which only goes to further the point even deeper.

>>39726159
Big rabbit syndrome

>>39726102
People that say bae is awful are spouting nonsense. She doesn't have the talent gura/mumei have and she isn't as experienced as irys but she's not half bad when serious

>>39726109
>>39726158
Beethoven can compose while deaf I am sure Kanata can still sing when she is deaf.

What I would give for HoloEN to have the waiting room recovery that NijiEN does...

>>39726191
See >>39724807
Surely a 1M song in a week should have more watchers right? This is clearly not botted

>>39726214
ADHD?

I was looking at recent growth charts and yow, Hololive and Vtubing really hit a wall. Even the likes of Kobo who is the only one still showing moderate growth, it would take her at least 120+ months to close the gap between her and Gura assuming current trends held and both remained that long. Is it even possible for Vtubing to have another breakout moment that brings about a surge of interest and sizeable batch of new viewers or are we in an extended period of stagnation and slow decline until the next new hotness hobby comes and seizes the interest of viewers?

>>39726172
IT WAS ME NOUSAGI
I INFECTED PEKORA’S EAR MAKING YOU SAD OVER COLD CHICKEN AND SLOWING YOU JUST ENOUGH TO LET ME TURN ON RUSHIAS DISCORD NOTIFICATIONS

ccv trending to about 80k, possible 100k if she has surprise banger guests

>>39726185
Reminder that the song is about Miku trying to lure you into cyberspace so she can have the segg

>>39726258
When Susan puts down the fucking axe, maybe.

>>39725819
Fauna - 994K
https://youtu.be/0RMVJTLZOzQ
Sana - 1.2M
https://youtu.be/R8y1aWMlPOs
Kronii - 1.6M
https://youtu.be/6W749jRBg-4
Mumei - 3.4M
https://youtu.be/Py21QCndbxc
Bae - 4.1M
https://youtu.be/na6bysYNuS0

Kiara - 853K
https://youtu.be/SF4rteXN57w

>>39726123
Yes, Kanata is a lot more popular than people think.

>>39726214
seethe sis

the amount of threadreaders in this thread..

>>39726218
Ogey

>>39726286
>cherry picking the worst Kiara song he could find

>>39726218
this, I want a dress that remarks her small chest

>>39726317
>Fever night
>Worse
Get your fucking ears check anon

>>39725061
ID...

>>39726315
I'd go so far as to say 100% of people in this thread are threadreaders. Yes that's how bad things are.

>>39726286
>Song views
Cmon brats... Bae isn't bad but this isn't the best measurement of singing skill. You can't tell me with a straight face that 2020/21 mori is a better singer than IRyS and Mumei.

>>39726342
NTA but he clearly didn't list fever night based on the sound

>>39726258
It will take a direct (not proxy) war between US and China for vtuber to have exponential growth again. Both of this will never happen.

>>39726286
kek, song views = good singing when?

>>39726359
tldr

>>39726123
>She has a surprisingly high ceiling?
her 3d debut was literally the most watched vtuber stream ever for a little while

>>39726258
>I was looking at recent growth charts
You surely mean "recent SUBS growth" and yes, the whole industry ground to a halt.

Here is the list of channels tracked by vrabi that did not tick up EVEN ONCE in December
>pic related

Fucking IOFI still streaming while Kanata is doing 3D
>How can this girl hold such large viewers for herself!?!?!?

>>39726364
>You can't tell me with a straight face that 2020/21 mori is a better singer than IRyS and Mumei.
Nta but yes Mori was a better singer, and is still a better singer than them, but that doesn't mean her singing is better than both of them.

KANATA SEXO

Chance of Kanata announcing her album and sololive?

Kino

>>39726435
That's the ID blessing, without which a stream is not guaranteed good numbers

>idol outfit
She looks cuter in it.

>>39726457
she needs to announce our marriage first

Nobodys favorite hololive member is kanata just throwing that out there

idolchads we won

>Rabbit is overlapping Kanata
I believe this place hates someone who overlaps stream

>>39726507
yeah, with me

>>39726530
You are in the Pekora general

>>39726530
try complaining about fucking pekora, see how it goes

>>39726530
Pekora does not appreciate the forced PekoMiko

>>39726448
>Nta but yes Mori was a better singer, and is still a better singer than them
>but that doesn't mean her singing is better than both of them.
What the fuck did you just write anon

>>39726530
it's ok when pekwhora does it

>>39726433
Ame doko?

>>39726530
pekomiko cover upset her i guess

>Fauna slipped to shu
#2 en btw
Worthless

God she is so cute

>>39726530
Pekora also overlapped Suisei's 3D live

>>39726258
it feels like it because youtube is actively culling subs and vods

>>39726570
Being a singer is not just about singing skill. It is all about clout.

>>39726448
huh, aren't you contradicting yourself her

>>39726530
Theyll cope with nousagis and fgo tourists wouldnt have watched the 3d live anyways

>>39726599
It's jp hours. Keep that shit for later

fuck off ENsharts

>>39726511
you sure?

>>39726530
Everyone knows Pekora is a bitch with an inflated sense of self-importance, it's not new. The amount of times she's done this is quite high. Still she always backs it up so w/e.

>>39726530
Pekora couldnt sleep after Kanata made fun of her in front of YAGOO by singing pekomiko and grabing her by the crotch

Holy shit this is the OG, very very OG vocaloid song.

>>39726613
Wtf does clout have to do with ones singing skill? You can get better numbers than someone because of clout but that doesn't mean you're a better singer. I'm losing brain cells.

>>39726530
She sung pekomiko daisensou on the relay, so this is her payback

>>39726424
That was a product of the box, not Kanata

>>39726613
I disagree. It is implied in "better singer" that people are talking about "being better at singing".
Are you confusing "better" with "more popular" or "more widely known" or something to the effect?

i thought kanatan was on the 28th fuuuu

>>39726530
She will bring big numbers and again and numbers will be pleased. People hate overlaps because they bring lower numbers so someone who does numbers will be forgiven.

>>39726636
i have never seen a single kanatadachi in my life

>>39726530
She overlapped Sora, just saying
We all know that she doesn't care about anyone but herself anon

>>39725260
Sorry, missed it.
maoruya is her name
https://twitchtracker.com/maoruya
Traditional L2D vtuber - gamer and singer.
started inclining from a ~200 view streamer at the same time Isegye had their "Official Debut" back in Dec 2021.

>>39726499
When will EN get their idol outfits...

>>39726530
Sorry but right now is indeed the usual Pekora slot.

>>39726658
No one will listen to you if you're a shit singer, period. Clout has nothing to do with that.

>>39726613
okay zoomer

>>39726678
How new

>>39726653
I'm on >phone, which one?

>>39726286
What's with the Kiara at the end? Afraid of getting mogged lmao??

>>39726691
Right after they do their song and dance reps so they can wear it on stage

>>39726691
Holofes but if they dont then dont ever expect them after that

KINOOOOOOO

>>39726683
That one was Pekora doing Sora a favor

>>39726511
Have you not met any Heimins? Those vile scum are everywhere, she has plenty of fans.

Does Kanata have any guests? If not, this may not hit 80k

>>39726678
Heiminbros...anon doesn't even know what we're called...

Sui
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZn2qtov6Bo

the leeching whore Pekwhora is really desperate for numbers

I just got back and I will just ask
Kanata gold for sure?

>>39726530
Yes, and the noutoddlers defending her behavior are hypocritical shitstains.
She's done this before, and she deserves to take some shit for this instead of waiting for after.

Kanata's doing well for a pre-recorded live

truly the tenshi of vtubing

>>39726231
Kaigaigumi was one of final practice rounds like day before actual sport fes, shit was pretty much what everyone hoped EN will be
The other one is some drawing game collab, she did it with Sora and FBK I think

>>39726511
heimins lose again

>>39726530
Pekora is being quite a bitch about it, she's denying Kanata a potential 100k stream.

>>39726744
she sounds like botan here.

>>39726744
Kanauru kind of soured me with the constant "unityfaggotry".

>>39726658
>>39726667
"Better singer" by definition is backed by numbers, and Mori has the numbers. She is just sucked at singing. I know what you are trying to say is "Mori's singing skill is not better than IRyS or Mumei" which I agree, but being a "better singer" is something completely different.

>>39726739
Pretty sure there's no guests, unless there's surprise guests.

>>39726691
>EN
>Idol
Unfortunately

Kino again

Mirror Kanata kitaaaaa

>shoujo rei
muted

>>39726530
Pekora will do as she pleases and you will kneel before her overwhelming aura if greatness, just like everyone else.

>Shadow Kanata
Thou art I

If you hate Pekora you would support this tho? Since she is just killing her own number this way

ENTER NIGGER

>>39726744
i don't like how this faggot moves.

>>39726789
>"Better singer" by definition is backed by numbers
It's not and you are confusing the word "better" for something else, clearly.

>>39726708
Melt.

>>39726779
She's holding maybe 5-7k hostage, the rest would just fuck off if Pekora wasn't streaming.

Doing that shadow Kanata thing again

>>39726749
Please understand. Miko already beat her average CCV this month so all she can do is spamming more stream hours

sasuga pekowhore

>>39726830
Shadow Kanata
>I art Thou

>>39726793
>surprise guests.
Yeah, Kanata Alter (school)

Imagine a threesome with Kanata and her shadow

>>39726786
Not everyone is a mentally-handicapped tribalfaggot anon

imagine this but with Suisei instead of a shadow-self. Hoshi no Kanata...

>2 Kanatas
Kanata???

>>39726789
>"Better singer" by definition is backed by numbers
>Better game by definition is backed by numbers
>Better movie by definition is backed by numbers
So what you're saying is you're retarded.

What is ths, (my) vocaloid playlist: the concert?
She better sing Eraser Girl next

I think the other Kanata is Aki. It's the hips.

I don't think Kanata is getting that 100k....

>>39726530
yeah she does that shit sometimes. unsubed from her in 2021 because of it

>>39726896
Kanata couldn't afford Suisei's appearance fee anyway

>>39726833
It's better to say she is hurting someone else and hololive on a whole. It makes people more indignant. This is anti tactics number one anon, come on now.

>>39726691
hopefully never. cover already give en a lot of things that are supposed to be for holojp only just because of viewers pressure

>>39726928
No. It's also Kanata

>>39726786
Yeah, I hate it when "unityfags" preach about unity bullshit but they probably barely even watch most of the vtubers they push unity with. Same reason why Daredemodaisukis and multi oshifags are of a lower caste compared to people with only one oshi.

>>39726744
>>39726841
is kanauru a ladyboy?

>>39726891
It's not the tribalfaggotry angle, considering i watch a wide range of vtubers from all corners.
It is that one would expect something about Hololive be about that person and their circle of relations.

I would be equally soured if someone started adding (let's say) Ollie in unrelated animations about Pikamee.

JP has 3D of
>original outfit
>idol outfit
>school uniform
>yukata/kimono
>on stage T shirt

While Myth only have original outfit, Council have nothing.

wait the shadow is moving on her own?

>>39726789
It's ok to admit you forgot the word 'popular' exists anon

>>39726849
>>39726916
Numbers are the only objective measure of the worth of a anything. Seethe.

You just know everyone shitposting Pekora now is a nijifaggot who doesn't even give a shit about Kanata

>>39726928
It's Oga.

>>39726896
Anon, this was probably Suzy (before the surgery) but she dipped so Kanata had to do it all.

>>39726691
>>39726795
Do nijiniggers really?
They already announced both Myth and ID1 will get idol outfits on twitter

>>39726916
To be fair, better vtuber is backed by numbers so that could be the root of his misconception

only brown people care about numbers

>>39725462
>Model cope
Do I have to remind you brats that Bae got the highest sub count pre-debut? She got the buffest model in council and look at the failure she turned out to be

>>39726891
There's not being a tribalfag and then there's constantly inserting random NijiENs and Pikamee or whatever into all your "Hololive" animations

>>39726979
yup

>>39726786
Personally i hate his work ethic

>>39726993
Pekora is white tho

>>39726916
Yes I stand by my point. Avatar (3D) is still the best movie ever.

Kanata is a schizo?

>>39726979
Anon if they actually want to watch Kanata they wouldn’t be here shitposting. Or even know Pekora is streaming in the first place

>>39726971
Don't think about it.

Iofi must be so fucking pissed. She gave out the ID blessing buff to Kanata but Pekora goes around and overlaps because she can’t stand others having a spotlight

KINO TRANSITION

>>39726974
I assume Marvel movies are your favourites then

>>39726903
>A 3rd Kanata enters

>>39726966
Nah outfits are based on effort. That's why Mori has her 3D alt costume.

>>39726962
No the character he uses for his icons is just his OC

>>39727011
Thats hardly fair when half the problem is the ENs doing their shit last minute

>>39726966
Ogey nijikeks

>>39727037
Nah, that anon is clearly just a cuckbeat hanging for dear life to anything that could possibly make his oshi "better" at something.

>>39727037
They don't have to be my favorite to be objectively the best, you fucking mong.

>>39725774
Dont need to say still learning Korean, she’s trilingual in English, Japanese, and Chinese

PEKO WANTS TO INTRODUCE MALE COLLABS. YAGOO IS LETTING HER GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE SHE IS WORKING TOWARDS HIS PET PROJECT INTO A REALITY.

>>39727075
Ogey

>>39726916
So you're saying Pekora is not the best Vtuber?

is this some kind of selfcest fetish?

>>39726966
EN is nothing more than a sidebranch.

>>39727069
She's never going to speak Cantonese on stream so it's not applicable.

what is this persona kino

>>39727084
Rrat

>>39727055
>Sololive dedicated outfit
So do Sui-chan, Watame, Sora and Okayuu you know.

>>39727064
So you agree that Marvel movies are objectively the best movies of all times. Cool

>2 solo duets in a row
Does Kanata even have friends?

>>39727064
Yes anon, don't listen to him. Marvel movies are the best movies. you are correct.