/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Will we have another sleeper like Council?
Meanwhile Fauna's CCV shits on Mori's these days.

>>39638160
Kronii was a vtuber before Holo.

>>39638160
Peari joined a small corpo?

>inb4 holoen3 is just holocn,
>yagoo spent the last two years personally teaching them english

>>39638243
So was Mumei

MUCHO TEXTO
HoloEN is over bud get over it, no ammount of hopium over EN3 will bring the magic back

>>39638456
It's not hopium. It is despair.

>>39638243
>>39638449
That just proves the point even more. I love Mumei and Kronii, but let's be honest, there's more talented and hardworking girls out there.

>>39638586
Would you really want your favorite indie to join Holo at this point? It's pretty obvious that management cockblocks the talents at every step and most of the girls are burned out at this point.

HoloEN spent their budget on tempus.

>>39638642
Any indie would strive for the holo numbers because it would let them focus on creating content and making a living of it, even with all the restrictions.

>>39638771
I used to believe that but now I'm not so sure.

>hololive
>scrapping from the bottom of the barrel of the leftovers from the other corpos
roru
rumao even

>>39638586
More hardworking yes, more talented is arguable.

>>39638642
I want my oshi to be succesful and the only thing she really needs is more exposure.
However her main objective is making friends and she already voiced concerns 2 years ago that she would have to abandon everything if she joins. I think her last Holo application really was her last, except maybe if she can keep her identity and still collab with her friends if she joins one

>>39638288
Beryl Lerou.

Everything pointed towards her being a Hololive pick, but it just turned out to be another small JP corpo.

IDK what some anons are implying but the writing is on the wall

>>39638968
Is that why she's trying to become a vshojo orbiter?

>>39638804
You would think with their influence, they would put more resources in picking good talents and making sure they have the resources to make more content, but here we are with them having a heavily diminished influence in the EN market due to stagnation and neglect. It's sad.

Luckily for them, their JP side is still going strong.

>>39639064
She didnt even raid up until her mods pushed her too and I don't think she even joined the minecraft server even off stream despite being invited.

It would make sense small corpos took out potential girls from hololive and it would explain why hololive are now going for males since that market is not as saturated

>>39639237
What about the steady increase of onstream coombaiting?

>>39639351
Coombaiting and or slutposting sends them to the bottom of the barrel in terms of quality. There's a difference between being tastefully lewd and just being a gross, something a lot of EN vtubers fail at.

>>39638804
Well, judging by the quality of council, irys and holox, they've really been scrapping from the bottom of the barrel lately.

>>39639351
Anon she used to often sing good neighbor as her most chosen songs for raids

>>39639315
its not like they cant quit to join the bigger two

>>39639528
There's a pretty big gap between singing a sultry song and her newest model.

>>39638160
>talented EN vsingers who know how to play violin or piano
Who are they? i only know one but she is JP
>How did Cover's talent acquisition fuck up this badly?
Its either one of them quitted at last second so cover had to find a replacement and try to recreate group unity OR they trying to find 5 girls that does different things than previous ENs like council did but different does not mean better
Either way its going to be a shitty gen and shitposting with them will be more entertaining than their streams just like most of current holoEN

>>39639729
>Who are they? i only know one but she is JP
Athena Nightinggale(?,piano in some who company) and Basedapoya(violin, indie) come to mind

Why would they hire any more EN girls when the JPs are more bang for the buck?

Next gen will probably be mixed because stars is the only thing EN is doing better than JP. Eventually HoloEN will be considered a male only branch like NijiEN. There's just no market for big corpos in EN anymore. Indies have won.

>>39639865
Athena is from AkioAir, some of who were friends who are US army veterans.

They're also Miryu Kotofuji from Kawaii.

>>39638160
>Please grudgepost me if I'm wrong, after a week or two of them streaming (models/debuts mean little)
rather, save the grudgeposting for a few months at least. Too close to the beginning everyone is still riding the release honeymoon period buff. Talents are still motivated and eager because everything is new and shiny to them and they haven't gotten bored/jaded yet Viewers are still in love because they are so desperate for any new girls that even a cardboard box with the blue dorito on it would be hailed as the best thing since sliced bread, and the girls haven't revealed how shitty they are yet, which they will invariably do over time.

>>39638160
Holoen never had good scouting. Otherwise they'd have pulled lazusydia and reimu/millie/enna.

>>39640283
>reimu/millie/enna
The fact that they didn't hire them proves that Holo scouting is at least still decent.

>>39638160

EN3 is not happening,

>>39638586
Working for HoloEN kills your will to stream. Legendarily trash management and bullshit rules.

>>39638866
Mumei's talent
>art?
>edgy
>cute singing
>forgor

Kronii's talent
>deep voice/voice acting
>bitchy persona
>depression
>... subway?

I can find more entertaining vtubers on Twitch. Fauna and Bae are the only worthwhile Council talents, and IRyS if you consider her part of the group.

>>39640454
It will happen like the last 4 gens: after a big enough yab

>>39640364
This is cope. All of those girls stream more than entire holoEN combined.

>>39640364
Reimu and Millie are fine though and Enna would probably be good with more restrictions.

>>39640560
Branch is dying let it go. Cover no longer cares.

>>39640168
That's a good point, we've been edged for so long of new members that anything new will seem like a long orgasm.

>>39640578
Reimu is a plank of wood and Enna comes off as a massive cunt who couldn't keep up a mask of pleasantness if her life depended on it. Millie is ok.

I don't really think there's anything wrong with sourcing outside of strictly vtubing itself but please ffs either find enthusiasts or complete degen hags with nothing else going on in their lives.

>>39640548
Name your entertaining vtubers, I'm always interested in finding more.

>>39640664
It doesn't matter if they vtubers but any new talent that they hire needs to have streaming experience or else we'll get another Sana situation.

>>39640662
Reimu may be a bit boring but she's still more entertaining than 3/4 of HoloEN.

>>39640562
Streaming hours has nothing to do with being entertaining, otherwise twitch streamers would blow the fuck out of all of HoloEN and NijiEN combined
Scarle would be a better hire than Enna by your metric so it's retarded.

>>39640841
Scarle would be a good hire for Hololive standards.

>>39640841
I mean Enna is a bad hire in general.

>>39640821
Phantomo...just because you like Reimu doesn't mean she's entertaining. No point replacing shit with a different flavor of shit.
Reformed Nina > Millie > Enna >>>>> Reimu

>>39639890
>Why would they hire any more EN girls when the JPs are more bang for the buck?
Simply because it's a different source of income. Holo dominates JP but accelerating there will reach a plateau. EN and the rest of the world still has too much potential to ignore. Holo not releasing any new EN girls for over a year didn't help. Holo should keep searching for high talent, so they can continually succeed where others have failed.
I believe in Haachama, HoloEN3 will be released soon.

>>39638160
a chubba can be hardworking and still suck dick
skill diff

>>39640664
no can do. how about more zoomer part-timers?

>>39638586
The same argument could have been made for Gura since she was also a vtuber pre-Holo and she ended up being the most popular. It’s honestly a toss up.

Why limit hires to indie vtubers when talent can be found anywhere?

>>39638804
The irony of posting Polka who is herself leftovers from another corpo.

No one is applying to Hololive. The black company mark doesn't begin to describe the horror stories that indies have heard about.

Just hire non-whores who won't collab with Tempiss

>>39640364
They are a supposed idol group and picked 0 of the best Western odoite or utaite. Fucking nijien got all the women who'd be the best idols.

>>39641927
>all whores

>>39641466
Hololive is lucky that polka fell into their laps from the corpse of the blackest of black corpos who's so incompetent they blew up kizuna ai as a golden goose.

>>39641231
>The same argument could have been made for Gura since she was also a vtuber pre-Holo and she ended up being the most popular. It’s honestly a toss up.
Pre-holo Gura having as many subscribers as the top of Holo before joining was a no-brainer that she would succeed. Finding another Gura is more like hitting the lottery. But what Holo should strive for....just to keep their brand high.

>>39641927
>nijien got all the women who'd be the best idols
What a shitshow that turned out to be

>>39641977
Nijien
>whores who are talented singers and motivated streamers
Holoen
>whores who have 0 talent and refuse to stream

This is exactly why I've gone for small corpos for the mean time, they tend to have this fucking uncanny ability to get talent about ten times as interesting to watch as a Holo, big downside is they don't have the same resources for big concerts and shit but what's the point of that if en holos don't even stream at this point anyways. Also, way less perm autism, if the talent wants to play some obscure shitty weird thing she found she can actually do it and have a great and interesting stream rather than just having to spam zatsus and Nintendo games until they get suspended for calling out management on their perms bullshit.

>>39639462
>Coombaiting and or slutposting
ASMR falls into this category btw

>>39641994
>Pre-holo Gura having as many subscribers as the top of Holo before joining was a no-brainer that she would succeed. Finding another Gura is more like hitting the lottery.

Wasn’t that literally Mumei and Kronii?

>>39641600
I was actually surprise to find out that a lot of vtubers in the indie scene rather join Niji over Holo.
It seem to be purely for freedom reasons, seem like everyone got the impression that you can't do shit in Holo without going through 20 permissions from management. That and Hololive fanbase seem to generally scare a lot of people from joining.

>>39642064
NijiEN unironically have a bunch of complete autists and nerds I will never believe had a boyfriend ever.

>>39638160
There won't be a EN3. Everything you said leads to that logical conclusion and I personally knew there won't be one the moment Tempus shat on everything. They devoured all the resources in scouting and so on, but that is irrelevant compared to the damage they've done to HoloEN's reputation and quality. Simply put, it's evident even to the dumbfuck management that EN3, no matter how theoretically good the girls would be, would be met with indifference (like in my case) or fear. Even a positive reception would be lukewarm and wouldn't translate in success but quite the opposite - the girls would struggle to have 1k CCV, which would be a devastating blow to the brand because then it would become impossible to hide just how much faith they've lost and how many people are turned off by them. To return to the previous points, my indifference comes from the fact I now have zero respect for Hololive because they shat on me and us, and this was topped by being shat on by some of the girls as well. They effectively tried to silence and purge their core fanbase to chase a phantom, and this isn't something ex-fans will forget or forgive because it's point blank betrayal. Ergo I am uninterested in EN3 in any capacity. I wouldn't even check their debuts. I simply don't care. Now the fear portion - those who would check them out and potentially become fans would live in a perpetual state of fear and worry that a year down the line the oshi they supported would just start collabing with males and try to filter them. So why get invested at all?

But the bottom line is this - look at the disaster HoloEN is right now. Which girl in her right mind would even apply for EN3? Why? There's way, way too much baggage and pressure on you from day one and the gains - if any - will be minimal. The way Gura was treated by the company showcases that even if your at the absolute top they'll still sabotage you and offer no opportunities, respect your ideas or support you. If you're a successful indie or a small indie, or a total noob, it still makes more sense to join a small corpo where you'll be a valuable or potentially valuable asset in a working environment that is theoretically healthier and more professional than the confirmed atrocity that is HoloEn's management. I am willing to go so far as to suggest that even if there were plans for EN3 nobody is applying or that applications have been revoked by this or that unknown girl. Because nobody in their right mind would look at this horseshit and want to get involved. HoloEN's reputation is so utterly damaged you still haven't grasped how BAD it actually is. Forget about us and think about it from a chuuba's perspective. Girls talk, and who knows what they know that we do not. I think that behind lip service to Hololive there's no real sentiment anymore, no aspiration to join them.

Think about it this way too - what if you're like Gura or Kiara and love CGDCT yourself and that is your ideal? Would (you) apply for HoloEN?

But I still think that EN3 was never on the table. Tempus really was EN3 and it was supposed to be a huge pivot for HoloEN towards... well, being Nijisanji. It failed for obvious reasons and the rest is history. Even if that wasn't the case and EN3 was planned it may have been scrapped due to the disaster that Tempus caused because management saw it would fail, or one of the above mentioned things happened. Either way it's over. Girls who have proven themselves, be it Kiara or Gura or Fauna will keep their fans and audience, but HoloEN as a whole is simply done. It really is.

>>39642475
Kiara and Mori talked about this shit multiple times and it was horrid. I'd rather make a bit less money and have a comfy job surrounded by friendly people. NijiEN collabs are in a different galaxy compared to Hololive.

>>39638160
No EN3, Stars only going forward

>>39642798
Why would you even go to Holo if you want to be a CGDCT streamer when you have the likes of Rosemi or Pomu in Niji?

>>39642475
>"Yeah, I don't really want to apply to Holoive" - girl who applied and was rejected multiple times.
Any idiot who thinks these girls are passing up the free guaranteed numbers and cash so that they can chill with the 5 view Iluna girls is lying to you through their fucking teeth anon.

>>39638160
go back to shucking coconut shells

>>39642245
>Wasn’t that literally Mumei and Kronii?
Not even close. Even then I don't think they were bad choices. Mumei is just weird, but unique, takes time for her to grow on. Kronii during her breaks spends time on her RM account with her old friends, not seeming as happy with Hololive. New EN girls to collab with can change that.

>>39642977
>Pomu
You mean Luca's cumsock?

>>39643265
Talking to a male once a week means shit retard.

>>39643299
Talking to a male once a week means it's not CGDCT anymore though.

>>39643299
What about sharing a hotel bed with one?

>>39638160
Why do you think Cover is hiring right now lol, there are no signs that they are looking for girls for EN3 except males right now

>>39638160
holy fuck can't you be a patient little shit instead of complaining for an EN3
4th Fes is coming

>>39643496
in three months.

>>39643462
Uki is completely gay.

>>39643381
99% of cute girls anime have male side characters.

>>39643703
the collab arc has ended, don't reheat this. please have other shitty discussions instead

Lotta nijiniggers in here

>>39643496
How many outfits, covers, originals, concerts on the EN side from now until then?
None

>>39641450
There's a difference between performing as a musician and being a vtuber. Mori's debut was incredibly rough, music notwithstanding.

You have to have 1. Good thumbnail making game, 2. Discipline to stream, and 3. Able to get used to a model.
Hence, why they look for streaming as an absolute requirement.

>>39638160
Mumei and Kronii were VTubers.
EN3 will arrive in 5-6 months, they're not interested in hiring right now, they don't watch female auditions.

>>39641466
Polka was anything but leftovers at the time she jumped ship.

Maybe they're big enough that they'll start taking entertainment industry leftovers rather than only YT influencers and up and coming vtuber talent. Certainly HoloJP should be where every idol candidate looks first before signing to normal agencies. C-list and B-list actresses would probably have better careers in HoloEN than in Hollywood.
I'm not saying it's a good thing, I'd be the first to say I don't want either group to contribute much to Hololive, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some recruits from that side in the future.

They need to find some quality hags who have seen hell. The ones who know what it's like to work 70 hours every week just to get screamed at by some fuckhole mid-manager when the impossible deadline gets missed. Creative freedom? They can't even decorate their shitty, open concept workspace because "hoteling" is so hot right now. No perms? They'll stream Minecraft every day because they know playing games for money is life on easy mode.

Unless Hololive wants to pivot to coombait Vshoujo shit, they need to give up on hiring zoomers to appeal to braindead 15 year old coomers.

>>39644625
Jesus, imagine another half year of... whatever is happening with EN. It's good they did some Christmas specials but the holiday season will end soon.

>>39645289
This is the problem with Nijisanji, they pander way too much to a younger audience. The talents are good but they won't bring in any money from teenagers.

with EN's mismanagement painfully visible to everyone is there any sane established indies who actually still want to join EN3? i feel like their only choice at this point are desperate buck broken 2 views

>>39645757
There's tons of indies that want to join. The question this thread poses is a simple one: are they the talent that will make EN grow or another dime-a-dozen streamer with a single shtick and zero motivation outside of financial gain.

>>39638160
>silhouette
MOONA I LOVE YOU!

>>39644047
Aren't we literally getting a bunch of EN covers and originals from the deco27 project? Already forgot the Peko/Bae original? A bunch of other EN girls are involved too. Mumei, Kiara, Gura, I forget who else.
Bae and Towa are literally releasing a son later today.

>>39638741
This. We will get Holostars EN2 before proper EN3.

The general sentiment among indie vtubers is Hololive's corporate environment sucks, so a lot of potentially good candidates have no interest in applying. That leaves them with non-vtubers, but the issue with that is that anyone interested in becoming a vtuber and has skills related to vtubing probably is one by now.

>>39640364
Considering Millie was a pretty decently known indy and Reimu was a superstar in the utaite scence and Enna was pretty well known utaite as well. You fucking comment is retarded and makes no sense. I wish we had gotten them for council instead of the likes of fucking Sana and Kronii who clearly doesn't like her job.

>>39641600
>the horror stories that indies have heard about
From where, "anonymous sources"?

>>39646268
>>39640364
>Enna becomes IRyS
>sucks Vesper's dick
>Mille becomes Kronii
>demands her kimono outfit make her boobs even bigger, hates gachikois even more than kronii does
>reimu joins
>she and amerliar do creatividad spanish streams as HoloES gen 0
>also sucks altare's cock

>>39646380
cuckthirya... home...

>>39646137
not even cover is this self destructive

>>39647331
Cover assumes that Omega and friends are geniuses. EN1 was huge, Gura was their biggest vtuber. Mori got signed to universal (lol). Holostars EN mogged Holostars JP and caused Shinove to resign his position because he was dishonored and his strategy of blocking female collabs to chase a small audience of JP female idolfags was deemed unsuitable for further Holostars growth.

Cover will not realize there is something wrong until revenues fall so dramatically they have to review the EN performance.

>>39647331
It's not self-destructive. HoloEN is a dead branch in a bad economy. The numbers speak for themselves

>>39641450
>Why limit hires to indie vtubers when talent can be found anywhere?
Because that's what a HoloEN girl will be doing 95% of the time, publicly - vtubing. So it's good to have prior experience. It gives the company a portfolio and track record so they can judge you on your most relevant skill - streaming, being able to entertain audiences for hours on multiple days every week. It gives a reasonable estimation of your future motivation and engagement - if you can show you've already been vtubing/streaming consistently for a longer amount of time, there's a better chance you will continue to do so, and don't turn out like a flaky lazy bitch who didn't stream before and only found out after she already got in that streaming wasn't for her in the long run. And if you've already been a vtuber before, you're already familiar with the technical aspects of working a model and vtuber streaming stuff, and familiar with the "culture" surrounding it and what is expected of you - again, in contrast to some people who weren't vtubers before and then find out that they think this whole "ugh I have to play an anime girl to entertain a horde of incel nerds..." thing and muh toxic idol culture isn't for them and they'd rather be some typical western twitch eceleb thot instead.

Sure, they don't necessarily "need" to have been vtubers before, but at least have some (ideally multiple) standout skills in some content-creation fields. The days of Cover having to rely on hiring total blank randoms off the street are long over, sure some of them turned out fine for great cinderella stories but the company is on a professional level now where they don't have and can't afford to roll the dice on randoms anymore.

Also, it's not so much that "talent can be found", it's also that the "talent needs to find Hololive" - i.e. it's the most popular vtuber agency, so it's just natural that most people applying will be other vtubers, or at least people who are into vtubers (enough that they want to be one themselves)

>>39644047
that's your first mistake, not everything is shown as an announcement

>>39642798
>Think about it this way too - what if you're like Gura or Kiara and love CGDCT yourself and that is your ideal? Would (you) apply for HoloEN?
This is easily the most important point. Once EN started to lose that "sorority" feel I think it really damaged their future prospects for gaining good talents that care about the job and its culture. It started with Mori hanging out with loser male ecelebs like TT but only got worse from there.

>>39638160
I find it very unlikely they'll pick an active artist.
The two artists they picked both turned out to not be able to balance their artist obligations and streaming.

>>39647575
your mistake is the assumption that Myth, council and tempus are product of the same minds.
there's no way Omega and or the people behind the sockpuppet sign off on a 9000 year old shark loli. it's no coincidence that council is no-pettan, just saying.

>>39647331
https://twitter.com/hololivepro_en/status/1604325583344762880

>>39638586
Mumei and Kronii both are naturally entertaining. They don't need to be "hardworking". They only have to show up.

>>39647810
>The days of Cover having to rely on hiring total blank randoms off the street are long over
What do you consider blank randoms?
OP stated that a lot of the picks that would make sense at a professional level are not being picked.

>>39648132
no its the same as id, gen1 are jp scout and they had to met yagoo before signed up, gen 2, are scouted by branch management but the final assignment are still by jp and yagoo interview for final phase, gen 3 are pure their branch's decision

>>39648144
they've been open all year round and no one has applied so they're putting out a reminder again. whatever applications they get now won't be debuting until september of this year at the earliest.

>>39638160
>>even a former idol who is entertaining, fluent in Japanese, a talented competent singer who knows how to dance and perform on a stage, and was part of the only reputable maid cafe in Japan (basically Kiara but better), got picked up by a 2view JP vtuber corp with an all-expenses paid trip to go to Japan to go work for them

Okay tell me where she is now

>>39648776
that's what i'm saying. myth was a JP product, once it's clear they are succesful it gets its own proper branch management.
here cover fucked up and hired a total normalfag who's supposed to be in touch with the western audience and tries to make it palatable to westerners but forgets people watch it because it's a place for weird people by weird people;
proceeds to be overly controlling, serves bland slop and redlights everything he considers out of line.
if EN3 is made and approved only by whoever this is then EN is truly fucked.

>>39648986
This is the exact same cope you people said about the Tempus debuts, and they fast tracked them so fast even Axel said it was too much. What's more, if even half of what people are saying itt is true about indies losing the motivation to apply to Holo, they would say something about their auditions too to remind everyone but they haven't. That clearly shows their current point of focus is on another failure of a homo gen, not EN3.

>>39639522
Two of holox great, two are fine, and one is a dud. Not that bad really.

>>39649219
>they fast tracked them so fast even Axel said it was too much.
>5 months is fast tracked
?

>>39648009
Hiring artists is such a meme, I can't believe they fell for it twice. Nevermind the most important problem, like you said, that an active professional artist always means scheduling conflicts because they'll continue to serve other masters and will never give 100% of their time to Hololive.
But what even is the point of hiring an artist... for a streaming slot? Wouldn't it be better to hire someone who has a track record of streaming before, so the company and the prospective talent know (and have demonstrated) they have the ability (and just as important, the motivation) to entertain audiences for hours, which is what they'll be doing for most of the time in their actual Hololive job.
There's very little an artist talent does actually add to Hololive - sure, they can do drawing streams to show off their unique abilities, but you'll notice that both artists of EN did rather little drawing streams in the end, so if the reason Cover hired Ina or Sana is "just think of all the amazing drawing streams we'll get from them!" then roru rumao what a waste. And the other cope is even more absurd, that "having an artist Holo means the company gets lots of professional art for free!". Yeah lol first of all it's not free, you can be sure that the "official" art (i.e. used in commercial goods sold) that Ina or Sana drew for Cover also involved contracts, so there's not much fundamental difference to simply hiring an external illustrator on a case-by-case basis (like Cover / the talents do for most of their professional art anyway, so why waste a streaming spot on having an "in-house artist talent" when you just have to pay them the same?), and looking over it, the actual output amount of official/commercial art that Cover actually got from Ina and especially Sana over their lifetime is so meager, that it begs the question if that's what you actually hired an "artist talent" for, did that really warrant "wasting" a streaming spot on them (instead of giving it to someone who, you know, actually streams, and letting the art just be done by external hired illustrators)?

>>39649096
>basically Kiara but better
That is such a hilariously low bar that it might as well have gone unmentioned

another issue with the industry is now instead of finding girls who want to be like HoloJPs, they all want to be like Mori or got into vtubing from watching luxiem

>>39643381
You don't watch streams

>>39649286
Yeah agreed. Holofags love to do this shit where they list off skill sets of a gen like this shit is supposed to be the fucking Power Rangers or something, e.g. "the artist" or "the gamer" or "the IT tech guru" or "the singer" etc.. The only skills that should take up any remotely serious consideration is being entertaining as a streamer and being able to carry a conversation.

>>39645689
Nijien gets all their money bevause they specifically target older viewers than holoen. Holoen targets sea troonicorns neets (0 dollars) and normies subsisting off noombers. Nijien targets unmarried chink hags (luxiem bfe fags) and hag lovers (pomu). The young fans are for spamming refresh on song covers to inflate numbers.

>>39650517
holofags do that because that is how the english side hires. where do you see people asking for this?

>>39649096
Read the thread. She's with the 2view JP corpo with 2view numbers.

During her hiatus stream, she said she was going to Japan for her job, putting enough hints for a reincarnation, and it seems it was the small JP corpo since she is now streaming full time. But she does not make enough money doing so to live in Japan. The only way this makes sense is if she's being compensated.

From the perspective of the small JP corpo, she's an investment, same as some other semi-big JP indies who debuted alongside her as a gen. The same can't be said of Hololive, who can't even invest in talent-based events that will create revenue for their company. Hololive makes talents pay for their own talents, creating barriers instead of facilitating growth and content creation, hence the stagnation.

>>39649629
I agree, but she's the only former idol in EN. EN idols are actually incredibly rare due to the criteria for becoming one, as well as tolerance for the culture associated with it.
I would imagine former idols would hold a strong position in the selection process due to Hololive's business strategy on the JP side, but I was wrong, it's different with EN.

>>39650653
>where do you see people asking for this?
Every time the subject of a new gen and its potential members come up, and implicitly any time the competency of existing gens is called into question. "It's okay that Myth suck as entertainers, Ina can draw and Ame once turned a computer off and on and and and"

>>39650627
The girls are definitely geared towards zoomers, and the men are most certainly BFE pandering, which attracted JP OLs for some reason. I'm not sure if that's what they intended, since there's a big market for fujos in the west and that was the initial prediction.

>>39649286
Art streaming is a niche that existed long before Hololive, I'm sure they just went "What if we had a vtuber, that also streamed art?" without putting much thought behind it. The thing is, as a vtuber working for Hololive you can't just stream the art you are doing for your roommate account, so streaming art is suddenly not a comfy thing for someone like Ina to do.

Can I just say I'm so sick of "le hardworking" meme. No one cares that your literally who streams 150 hours a month if 120 of those are boring shit.

>>39651541
At least they stream.

>>39650068
>they all want to be like Mori
>got into vtubing from watching luxiem
The true death knells for EN "vtubing"

>>39651541
And I'm sick of the "quality/charisma" meme. I can't give a fuck about a vtuber that only shows her face once or twice a month.
There needs to be a balance.

>>39638160
Mumei and Kronii were both VTubers bakachaama.

>>39651582
Bro who fucking cares if someone streams 8 hours a day if they're boring. You're an entertainer, not a menial service job worker.

>>39651673
There is no "meme" there. Your job is to be entertaining, not sit there like a log and be boring for five out of six hours a day before you manage to say something funny. I'll take 3 hours of entertaining over 8 hours of "wow she streams sooo much!" I never hear you people talk about how entertaining or funny or talented these indies are, just how they're "hard working". Like who the FUCK CARES.

>>39640017
I love Miryu, but she just joined Kawaii gen 3, is a complete non-gamer and she has serious health issues, that might discourage Hololive.

>>39640283
None of those would be good fits in Hololive.

>>39641077
What was YAGOO'S statistic that he gave at that YouTube interview he did? 65% of viewers are located outside Japan, but they only generate 15% of the revenue. EN is an embarrassingly small market that really doesn't deserve more financial investment.

>>39652312
Anon, if Niji can turn EN into their main source of income then surely holoEN being bigger than NijiEN has something to build up into

>>39642245
Mumei's RM had 1mill subs Kronii's had 300k.

>>39651781
>>39651875
I find it interesting how you're conflating hardworking with streaming a lot. It doesn't.
Hard work just means they put effort in their content.

I don't disagree that marathon streams are cancer, but plenty of indies (and small corpo talents) stream a few times a week for only one or two hours and are really entertaining while doing so, while making entertaining content or making covers/original content. That is the type of quality being referred to here. People who stream ALL the time are usually menheras or NEETs.

A good example of a quality hardworking vtuber is Rin Penrose from jewcorp and her PL.

>>39646268
Being a good singer means shit if you have a shit personality. Millie would've been a great fit, but she's a package deal with Emma.

>>39639194
In all seriousness, the moment that slowly began my drift away from HoloEN was the Niji discord leak. Of course Holokeks shat on Niji for that, but when I saw it I started to realize…actual vtubers who are just talking in private to each other were making fun of HoloEN for its stagnation and issues. It was the first moment that made me realize HoloEN wasn’t the be all end all of EN vtubing and made it easier to realize I didn’t care about HoloEN anymore and move on.

>>39651875
This is it, I realised in order to be a better vtuber I dont need to work harder, just smarter. No point tiring myself out for 12 hours when I can do 4 hour streams that are entertaining. Since I adopted this mindset more people have stuck around to chat with me the entire stream and it makes me feel so happy im doing something right and giving a decent viewer experience.

>>39649219
Idiot they gave a reminder for Tempus gen 2, because they're getting shit candidates. They had to give out reminders 3 times before they got the 4 Tempus boys they wanted. They already have their 5 girls for the next gen.

>>39639528
Sure, they can. Sure it’s happened in the past. But that was when any corpo other than Hololive or Nijisanji (EN) was basically a nobody, and nobody gave a shit about their vtubers. Small corpos have enough clout now that people will at least listen and know what’s going on, whether or not they choose to care.
Like, I find it highly unlikely that Yuko or Lisa (and *definitely* not Pippa) would consider it worth it to leave their small but inclining companies for the large, but reclining HoloEN. Sure it’s profitable in the short term, but alienating your friends and being stuck in the holobox would be a huge psychological blow, one where the trade off is increasingly not worth it.
And joining NijiEN? Unless you really blow up, you end up in 3view level now…which is the same place a popular member of a small corpo is now.
Sure, there’s some upside, but it’s either shrinking (for HoloEN) or very uncertain (for NijiEN). Meanwhile, being seen as a sellout and a snake for doing that is much more certain. Because if HoloEN sucks in everything but the views, then how are your vtuber friends going to view you if you do that? It’d be the equivalent of KD going to the warriors. Worse than that, it’s more like boogie cousins going to the warriors, because at least kd was undoubtedly an elite player who was at the same caliber as the warriors’ stars.

>>39652850
That's the right mindset to have. Focus your efforts into showing your personality and creativity, rather than forcing yourself to be always available. That's the way to get yourself out of the muck with all the other vtubers who get comfortable with the tedium of streaming.

YAGOO told me they will only debut EN3 when a council member hits 1m subs

>>39652312
That’s because the infrastructure isn’t there yet. The infrastructure isn’t there because everyone who tries to expand into the west half-asses it. There’s a reason it’s called investing money, because you have to put in time, effort, and MONEY to set up the system of corporate collaborations, tie-ins, and cross-media projects to make a new expansion effort worth it.
Japan’s weeb culture didn’t grow up overnight. Hell, half of it got there by accident. Understanding that a lot of this requires establishing a presence, being open to unexpected opportunities, and then not fucking it up is how the smart corpos do it. I don’t know if HoloEN matches those criteria at this point.

>>39653285
Thank you anon, I will continue to try my best! I also have the added buff of not having any past controversies, boyfriends, indie drama, roommate posting, etc to worry about so im feeling pretty hopeful with my future attempts.

>>39653498
>refuses to pay for their talents plane tickets to use their inhouse studio
>refuses to invest in technology for their talents
>refuses to open up a US/Canada/NA office/studio
>most of the merch and shipping is based in Japan
>their network of artists, musicians, riggers, are all based in Japan hence their requirement for any future talent to speak Japanese
>every single EN sponsorship has been waifubait gacha

>why is HololiveEN reclining?!

>>39651167
They noticed that zoomers don't pay up so they switched from targeting them with lazusydia to hags with ethyria lol.

>>39654011
Fucking this. You know its bad when fucking Anycolor actually pays for their talent to go to Japan instead. What the actual fuck is going on cover corp.

>>39640752
Sana had streaming experience, the problem was trying to juggle it on top of a job you're already straining yourself for. Being seated for that long is no joke unless she invested into a standing and sitting hybrid desk among other things, back hort or not.

>>39638160
I have always bought the rrat that they have a group ready but one or more girls dropped out and Cover decided to just scrap the whole group rather than picking replacements.

>>39638160
by hardworking /k/ girl do you mean the one that would constantly post pictures of their thighs exploding through their socks and other 3dpd pics

>39651673
They are retarded anon. They don't understand that just showing up to streams with no planning, no prep, and no other work outside of just the hours you spend live is how you end up as a 5 view forever. They don't actually have the faculties to process that a lot of the "unique and interesting" content they always drone on about actually requires effort beyond just hitting the stream button on OBS.

These retards actually think people are talking about streaming 80 hour weeks, when anyone with a brain implicitly understands that people are talking about people with talent needing to put in the effort. People like Coco actually putting in the hours to create AsaCoco. Noel logging the absurd hours to not only be a successful Holo, but also running a coomer empire, while still finding time to chill with Lamy and Marine. Suisei putting in her singing reps, putting in the studio hours, working on tracks (even if just feedback), dance practice, and actually practicing singing. Pekora building her entire theme park to provide every girl with hours of Minecraft entertainment.

The best part: when their charismatic genius turns in the zero hour shitpost experience that they are so insistent they want, they will rip on her streams, talk about how she has no passion, call her a number whore, etc. She puts the works in? Shit's kino, blows other girls out of the water, I CAN FEEL HER PASSION!!! It's profound, really.

>>39638160
>even a former idol who is entertaining, fluent in Japanese, a talented competent singer who knows how to dance and perform on a stage, and was part of the only reputable maid cafe in Japan (basically Kiara but better), got picked up by a 2view JP vtuber corp with an all-expenses paid trip to go to Japan to go work for them
Which 2view corpo?

>>39657430
Star Ring

>>39656678
Yes

>>39658394
Who is she now? Who should we be looking out for?

I always thought '2view seethe threads' were a meme until I found this one.

>>39638160
fuck off moonacuck

>>39658863
It's at the start of the thread, anon.
As for the remaining indies who have a reasonable chance of having been selected, I believe Selkie VT and Sellena are the ones who come to mind. It's rather sad but if you had asked me a few weeks ago, I would have been more optimistic.

>>39658966
A lot of the 2views mentioned here are doing pretty well in their small corpos. Not all of them, of course, but most of them.

I'm more seething at Cover's incompetence and lethargy in an increasingly competitive EN market.

>>39638866
what is kronii's talent?

>>39638642
Yes, I would. Even if they only stick around for a year as a Hololive, it will skyrocket them if they go back to being indies. Let's be real, the indies join hololive for the recognition and numbers, which, to a person, have been massively larger than their PL's.

>>39658613
lol

>>39660882
high turnover is a bad look for cover though, wonder how they safeguard against it.
people will be more reluctant to become dedicated fans of a new talent if they might fuck off in a year or less.
past graduations are due to Stars, menhera and CN drama. coco was 50/50 CN and wanting indie freedom. hard to tell.
and sana who, indeed, fucked off.

>>39638160
ILUNA....

>>39661459
Yeah and look at what happened post Coco. Biggest flop ever to exist.

>>39639522

Cover has admitted they get about 6,000 applications per 5 slots they have, it's a lot to go through. I feel like they're getting too comfortable with letting their talents recommend people and that's what's going wrong. We know Sana was a recommendation and she may be the biggest flop to date. It seems like a few others may know each other as well and while that saves Cover from having to go through the process of sorting through 1,200 looking for the perfect one person, it also allows mid to slip in.

>>39640454

Considering they just put out an announcement for Gen 2 of the boys, Gen 3 of the girls is all but certain. Let's be real, the girls just draw in bigger numbers and therefore more income, period.

I truly believe the reason that Cover is being so careful with EN gen 3 of the girls is because of how the girls have been this past year. It's not really an overstatement to say they've been lazy / inconsistent, something a Japanese company would find unacceptable.

>>39662074
Careful? More like slow. So slow, that competent, consistent, entertaining streamers keep getting picked by other corpos. Let's hope they picked good enough talents that there won't be a repeat of this year.

HoloEN is finished, the future belongs to small corpos

>>39638160
anon, playing a shitton of tarkov with 1views does not make you a /k/ chuuba. She hasnt even held a firearm before.

>>39638160
Just watch Phase Connect. The shop has sailed for growing in a big corpo.

If your vtuber is talented and has a good model you should talk them into applying for Phase Invaders.

>>39638642
No one is retarded enough to not be a holo they can make a good living by doing the bare minimum and 9f they really put the work in they might become one of the biggest stremer on YouTube

>>39663753
>have retarded Japanese restrictions placed on you
>don't get to design your model
>get a model with shit rigging
>forced into friendships with people you don't know and may not have good chemistry with
The Holo package is mostly attractive to people who really want to be idols, or 2views. Any /lig/ger would rather hire a personal manager, a small team, or unironically consider VShojo over Hololive

>>39663359
>KiwiFarms Connect
OP dont do this, phase connect fans make unicorns look attractive its not worth it.

your mistake is thinking there will be an EN3

>>39644047
>How many outfits, covers, originals, concerts on the EN side from now until then?
That largely depends on Mori and Amr working their ass off to make that happen.

You’ll get get clout-chasing TikTokers with moderate followings and otaku-adjacent content creators and you’ll pay up while declaring them the best thing since sliced bread, like a good little ATM.

>>39648776
The difference is that Myth had Coco helping out and she clearly pushed for risky picks, and those risks paid off.

>>39655941
>I have always bought the rrat that they have a group ready but one or more girls dropped out and Cover decided to just scrap the whole group rather than picking replacements
That would have been extremely shitty and discouraged anyone from even applying in the first place. Doesn't seem likely.

>>39663916
One Twitch indie I used to follow just joined Nijisanji and she is doing great. Her model is even similar to her old one.

>>39638160
>non-vtubers... like Mumei
Uh... huh. Well, I don't know what grudgeposting is, but I don't begrudge any of what you've said. It was explained clearly and was less hostile than most of the OPs on this nightmare board. I DO think your post is wrong about everything, though, so let's break it down.
First of all, I feel like what Cover should be primarily judging is not just raw talent, but also how well they fit the company. I also like one of the Jewcorp members as well as her PL, but I absolutely don't think she'd have meshed well with the HoloEN atmosphere. I can think of other corpo talents like this too, but we'll leave that thought there. Then there's someone else going on hiatus in January, who I don't wanna name till EN3 reveals concretize, who's a bit less interesting to listen to but gives off a much more "Holo" feel while still being well above the minimum talent cutoff.
Second, you've gotta consider that while (you) have to cast a huge net to find talented indies, the management just has to turn on the faucet - applications - to get a flood of it in their direction. That includes people with fairly tiny sub counts/traction/etc, who could well be both more talented AND a better fit than the more conspicuous ones, but still fall under most of our radars. To use your own example, who would have found Kronii in a vacuum? Even if you don't like her, 800k subs is 800k subs, and that relative success is what the company sees. (I'm not a /#/ kind of guy, so don't read too far into that.)
Finally, if EN3 continues to have unified per-wave theming (mythical creatures, divine aspects, adventurers' guild), then there's gonna be a certain amount of people who necessarily get filtered by kayfabe and/or typecast. Like, good luck getting Adrisaurus to debut for your last open role as a crass monter-girl or assassin when her personality is as soft as melting butter. I honestly don't like this part of recruitment, but it's working for them so who am I to backseat, really.

>TL;DR
They see things we don't. Trust, and if the talents are crap then they're crap, but I don't think they will be. The hopium is strong.

You know what I want in a HoloEN Gen 3 if it even exists? I want a basic ass girl who streams a variety of video games commonly and that's her major thing. That's what she fucking does. I get this enough on the JP side with people like Korone, Luna, and Botan. There's a lot of streams to choose from there. I'm just surprised there's nobody like that on EN side. I've been watching them on and off for a while and none of them really tick that specific box for me.

They're either games everyone else is playing, a shitty horror game the shark wanted to play because she felt compelled to play it since it's a horror game and that's her brand, or god forbid those wack ass indie games Amelia FUCKING Watson and Kronebone play. I know it might be kind of boring or generic to ask for a vtuber like that when there's plenty of them all over the place, but I feel like HoloEN's missing that. Somehow, SOMEHOW they're missing a girl who's main content is games that not everybody and their mom is also playing. Isn't that fucking weird?

>>39664170
>>KiwiFarms Connect
That's mostly Pippa. Tenma for instance doesn't like shit like that and mostly streams like a normal person. They've got an admirable range of people.

>>39663916
>>have retarded Japanese restrictions placed on you
Fair.
>>don't get to design your model
From what I've seen of most indies, that's not a drawback.
>>get a model with shit rigging
You can get that fixed, plus models really are just a crutch for lack of personality. They're nice to draw attention but once people get used to it it's not really that big a deal.
>>forced into friendships with people you don't know and may not have good chemistry with
That's why they're supposed to hire mainly like minded people so they've got things in common, that's why JP works so well, Japanese culture alone does that. If they hired a load of girls who were very into idols, they'd stand a way higher chance of getting along. Now imagine they hired some fat wigger rapper and an idol purist in the same gen, even if they tried really hard to get along it wouldn't work out, would it?

I hope Holo gets some decent chuubas next gen so you people stick with them and don't leak out into the superior small corpos.

>>39665341
>SOMEHOW they're missing a girl who's main content is games
That's Kiara.

>>39665898
Design is subjective and the point is that indies who own and created their own design have their own interests expressed instead of a focus-grouped design that a room full of professionals agrees isn't going to cause any problems and is going to appeal to as many people as possible. Indie can do whatever the fuck they want, and sure sometimes that can lead to designs that are hot garbage, but the flaws can give the designs SOVL.

It gets brought up occasionally by people baiting but I like the comparison between Fauna and Haruka. Both ideas start in the same place. Nature-themed woman, green, and plants incorporated into the design. Fauna's is very detailed and elegant with gold trim and excessive ribbons everywhere. Her hair's a pleasant shade of green and her horns are tiny little twigs that don't add much but communicate her aesthetic while staying out of the way. By contrast Haruka is a much more aggressive shade of green that isn't really found often in nature and is wearing a very plain dress that looks like it fits more in Sunday school outside of its short length. She also has a pair of massive antlers wrapped in vines that easily double the height of her head, can cover up the game she's playing, and can make her look awkward in collabs. She deals with the problems inherent to her design because she likes it. It's not professional, but that's part of the appeal.

>>39666513
Unironically this. Hololive fans absolutely wreck small corpo and Niji communities when they go in and end up surprised when other vtubers don't act the way they want. If HoloEN gets girls that stream frequently and are fun, that means the rest of us can rest easy.

>>39638160
YOU WILL NOT GET ANY EN3 UNTIL AFTER 4TH FES FINISHED.
(It will be announced at the end of the concert tho...)

>>39665206
>but it's working for them so who am I to backseat, really.
It's absolutely not working for them when none of the Council girls give a shit about their lore anymore and Tempus only mentioned the whole guild thing back when they debuted.
>They see things we don't. Trust, and if the talents are crap then they're crap, but I don't think they will be. The hopium is strong.
I have negative trust with how fucking long they're taking to hire new people. There's no acceptable reason for EN3 to possible take 2 whole years to debut other than pure incompetence from management. You're right that they see what we don't, but they also saw Sana as a great fit to Hololive so I wonder if they're actually blind.

>>39665341
Perms, anon. The JP branch has more or less already solved this issue, but the EN management doesn't give a fuck and the talents themselves have to individually ask for them. That's why FOTM games are so popular.

>>39638160
They should headhunt and only accept the applications to fill in the extra spots

>>39640499
>Working for HoloEN kills your will to stream.
I simply do not believe that the limitations for holo jp or id are significantly lighter. The only reason EN doesn't have a koyori or a kaela is because western women have no work ethic.

>>39669596
If I were in HoloEN I would stream so much I would get sleep deprivation. It may be cringe but I always struggle to end stream because I don’t want to be lonely and talking to chat makes me happy, so I love to stream.

>>39652419
The problem Hololive has is that they've already enjoyed not one but TWO booms of popularity and both of them came from western fans. EOPs are the reason everyone's sub counts are so high yet their viewership - with the exception of one or two standouts - aren't really any better than Nijisanji's. They're the reason that Ollie has over 1m subs but is a 3view. They're the reason Mori, Kiara and Ame have 1-2m+ subs but average the same viewership as boring streamers like Uki who is 25-50% the size. They were StarsJP's life support for over a year. They are the reason Tempus not only exists but also the reason their growth and donations have come to a dead stop.

Cover relies on Western fans to buff the numbers of ALL their branches whilst also knowing that the number of active fans has been dwindling since September 2020. Everyone who knows V-Tubing knows Hololive, and everyone who knows Hololive has long since made their decision on if they're worth watching or not. The only thing they can possibly do is clutch onto the fans they still have, and new generations only serves to spread that fanbase even thinner.

HoloEN, in terms of active fans, is neither bigger than or has the same scope of positive growth as NijiEN, as they've already reached their peak. Companies blowing up faster than their faculties can manage and subsequently imploding is a tale as old as time.

>>39638160
I have a vague feeling this thread is self-posting. Not that I mind, I wouldn't have known otherwise.

>>39665341
That's why I moved on to indies. Once I found girls who actually stream interesting games I just couldn't go back to the way holo does things.

>>39645289
>No perms? They'll stream Minecraft every day because they know playing games for money is life on easy mode.
The funny part of this is that ID have Kaela who plays tons of different games and still finds time to make long Minecraft streams.

>>39646049
>Bae and Towa are literally releasing a son
Naruhodo

>>39669726
Are you currently a vtuber?

>>39642798
Mucho texto

>>39642798
This post really reeks of thread reading brainrot, find a hobby anon.

>>39638160
>really entertaining /k/ girl and hardworking brits gets picked up by jew corpo and others
Rye Project? Is that why she went on a hyatus?

>>39638160
>How did Cover's talent acquisition fuck up this badly?
After their "success" EN management lobbied for more control and have become essentially an independent branch like ID
If you are smart enough and follow some basic logistics you can actually pinpoint the exact moment this happened

The reason there isn't a EN 3 and scouting hasn't even STARTED yet is because EN management is so incompetent i would be called a shizo for even bringing up half the shit they pulled
Although in their case it's the opposite, they aren't doing anything, they straight up stopped responding to our emails, turns out the person in EN responsible for that had "anxiety"' and didn't want to dissapoint (???) us

11 years and I've never had something like that happen

>>39665206
I appreciate and acknowledge your disagreement. However, there are a few things that are missing from your context:
1) I do not have the time to follow or energy every talented indie vtuber, I just browse Twitter, Reddit (quite a few announce their things there instead of here for good reason), and obviously here for hiatus and graduations announcements/discussion. This drastically reduces the amount of vtubers I need to follow and narrows down potential candidates. It's how I learned most of the ones that stood out to me moved to smaller corpos. With the implementation of a requirement for all future applicants to speak Japanese, you can be assured this list will grow very short, very quickly.
2) The only thing you need to have the "Hololive feel" is to not be socially awkward to your viewers and to have a special talent you have practiced for a while, or several. Existing Hololive talents have ignored or neglected the theme a month of so after debut, even if they continue to apply certain traits to their branding and fanbase.
3) Even Hololive JP doesn't have everyone who meshed well with each other. You'll be hard pressed to find Luna and Choco collabing a lot, for example.

To summarize, Cover does see something that we don't: the applications. But due to the sheer quantity of them, they likely focus their efforts on ruling people out rather than doing proper checks for quality. Hence, the issue with Council.

>>39673095
Yes, Yuko Yurei.

>>39665341
You mean Kiara, anon???

>>39665341
They can't do that anon. They need perms to play anything and since Cover is a japanese company they are deeply autistic. Which means JP perms don't apply to other branches. So HoloEN has to get perms themselves off basically just their barely supported managers trying to contact big game devs for perms.

>>39673176
Any proof outside your imagination schizoanon?

>>39670427
>self-posting
I wish I was a cute, talented girl who didn't have to spend my time gossiping over e-celebs to find joy in life.

>>39665341
Kiara is that person but I dropped her after learning she's kind of a shitty person.
With that mentioned, the rrat for everyone playing the same game at the same time every time, is because they get permissions at the same time, which management encourages/suggests/coerces them to stream.

>>39672214
Towa-banana is very strong!

>>39673607
I can't even confirm it myself, i got the details from someone who actually did manage to work with them
The only thing i can confirm is that they ghosted us and had to pay us for the MR

>Nonstop unending doomer posting
>Every fucking thread is just doomerism
>"There is no EN 3"
>"EN 3 is tempiss lul"
>"Cover silently killed off HoloEN"
>Constant screeching and tear ridden posts about how doomed it all is (almost guaranteed from a Nijifag)
Its so fucking tiring bro jesus christ. Can't you miserable fucks be positive or optimistic for once in your worthless lives? Would it kill you to do that? Its the day after Christmas and all I see is a bunch of crying nijifags and antis.
>"But its dead bro Tempiss Gen 2 is next xD"
Kill yourselves. If Cover was going to quite making EN gens they'd have scuttled the entire branch like they did HoloCN. They still releaase gens for fucking ID and they are barely relevant at all outside being a HoloEN pseudo branch.
>"B-but all these indies that didn't go to Cover!"
Myth was barely comprised of indie vtubers. You had Gura who sometimes streamed as a vtuber but was mostly a shitpostin youtuber (where all her subs/fame came from), Ame who was barely a 3view streamer who was barely a vtuber herself, Mori was just a shitty musician, Kiara was an ex-idol, and Ina was an artist who rarely streamed. Council followed a similar trajectory of hiring only a few actual indie vtubers. HoloEN doesn't prioritize being a vtuber in their hiring process.
>Insert whatever other autistic doomer comment here
HoloEN is still massive for Cover. Gura is still the biggest vtuber on the planet. They regularly show up in big ads. The JP branch loves a lot of the HoloEN members. Fucking Omegaretard isn't the great boogeyman people make them out to be. Like stop being retarded faggots for once and think rationally. Its not hard.

>>39674022
I suspect most of the doomer posts are just nijifags as always. They are doing anything they can to recover from Enna's shitshow.

>>39674022
You know what would solve all these problems?
Debuting HoloEN3. Then we can whine about how shit they will likely end up being.

>>39667195
why would they announce a EN gen when Fes4 is a JP event?
>But its a Hololive event, of course they'll announce a new gen, even if its EN.
They won't. My proof? look to last year when they announced Up Roar despite ID3 getting announced days after AND debuting before Up Roar did.

>>39638160
Why do you need EN3 already? 2 gens + IRyS and homos are more then enough for now. Can't you be a little more patient? Or are you an ADD child with rotten brain who can't contain himself if something new and shiny isn't dangled in front of you every year? Fuck off(back) to niji if you want a constant stream of new talents.

There's 10(14) people to watch right now, and I can manage to watch only 2-3 of them on a good day. If anything, there's too many talents. We don't need a new gen, we need to retire some people from the existing gens first.

>>39665898
They got along while they were living in the same city rather than on the other side of the world.

>>39674391
they don't stream

>>39674475
Yeah, just look at all this empty schedule. No streams at all.

I want EN3, but I want it to be all EU chuubas who will stream in EU time ONLY.

>>39674022
HoloEN management lost all of people's good will this year. It's hard to be optimistic when you remember who's in charge.

>>39674022
great post manager-san

>>39674541
Small corpo schedules are way more packed than this.

>>39674544
>Releases HoloStarsEN
>Somehow this means all the goodwill of the entire branch is dead
>Despite them being Holostars EN and not HoloEN 3 like all the faggot doomposters were claiming before debut
Just ignore the fucking STARS you autistic retards. They aren't even Hololive.

>>39674628
>Thinking it's just about tempus

>>39674552
>Being reasonable makes you a manager
I sometimes forget how much of a shithole this place can be.

>>39674022
Did you not read my OP? I'm not talking about any literal who vtuber getting passed on, unless you consider everyone not part of Hololive or Niji a "who", in which case, that's a you problem. I'm referring to the cream of the crop that would likely appeal really well or perform well with the Hololive audience.
If they're getting passed on, who's left? What exactly do we have to be optimistic of? Another year of no-streams? I'm genuinely curious.

>>39674022
>oh nyo muh nijiniggers
holy rent free
Both NijiEN and HoloEN are trash and for the same fucking reason, they are more concerned in pushing agendas (MALE COLLABS GOOD) than thinking in what their fans actually like.

>>39674721
>all these random indie nobodies
>"Cover passed on them so HoloEN is doomed!"
Bro did you ignore the whole "HoloEN's general hiring practices clearly doesn't value being a indie vtuber that much" part of that comment or what? Nobody gives a shit about your precious 2views. They failed the audition (they 100% auditioned) its that simple.

>>39673176
My theory is that they fired the person previously known as Omega and that slowed down the audition process in the short term. But they have made more progress since then.

>>39674797
To you, everyone who isn't a Niji or Hololive is a nobody, which makes your assessment flawed. There are plenty of really good vtubers who don't catch the algorithm: I would know, I actually watch them.
And they most definitely overwhelmingly value them having at least some experience as vtubers because it is easier to integrate them into their business and culture. If your argument rests on them picking some celebrities, artists, or musician "nobodies", prepare for another Sana or Mori timeloop.

>>39674897
>"T-trust me! My precious 2view nobody is actually the next gura!"
If they were that good they'd have passed the audition. Its that simple.
>Prepare for another Sana or Mori timeloop
Mori has objectively been a great hire for Cover. She has a fucking Universal contract and her shitty music regularly tops charts on various music sites. Sana was just a bad nepo hire.

>>39674965
Auditions have bias. They are not an indication of worthiness or quality. Take Kronii for example, the only reason she passed was because of her ikemen voice and her large PL channel.

>Mori has objectively been a great hire for Cover
If we're going to play by your numberfag rules, she was riding on the coattails of Myth's popularity. She is not doing well in comparison to the rest of Hololive, viewer wise, at the moment.

Sana isn't the only Hololive artist who doesn't stream by the way.

>>39675090
>"Noooo my precious special little indie nobody darling didn't pas the auditions! Waaaah they have biases! Bad talent scouting!!!!"
Actually embarrassing.
>This nonsense about Mori
Good job ignoring my entire point which was she was successful enough to get a major record lable contract and her music regularly tops music site charts. Shes also one of the most subbed vtubers in Hololive.
>Sana isn't the only Hololive artist doesn't stream by the way
Yes Ina was sick from overworking herself. She's coming back in like a week.

>>39674783
To be fair Maria and the X-Men girls would have been solid picks for EN3 and they were clearly ignored in favour of the homos. The ones that should be frustrated are the Holo fans. I also remember many of them being convinced that the ghost girl was going to be in EN3.

>>39675179
Myth is an exception here. They came at the right time and place. And it doesn't change that Mori is reclining as a streamer, despite her signing with a major label.

As far as the nobodies, yes, I am concerned. A lot of these streamers are objectively better than half of Council in terms of the content they make, the amount of content they make, and their competence/effort into making said content.
It sounds to me like you don't really have an argument and just want me to "trust the system, bro, there definitely won't be another Sana!" If Cover had picked an entire gen of Fauna or Bae-tier streamers for Council, I would trust the system. Suffice to say, that didn't happened.

>>39674022
>Myth was barely comprised of indie vtubers
That's because there were barely any EN indie vtubers back then.

>>39674022
>Council followed a similar trajectory of hiring only a few actual indie vtubers.
Yeah 4 out of 5.

>>39675290
Maria makes me sleep and Meloco likes to suck on Luca's cock. Zaion would have had a hard time given she is a Genshin Impact addict. Kotoka though, she would have been EN Coco. She even is an Ark addict

>>39675357
Mumei and Kronii were solid picks. The problem with Mumei is that she has to juggle college work while Kronii doesn't stream and is occasionally menhera.

Sana was the one that was clearly nepotism or wanting to get extra ESG points. She was talented but didn't contributed a lot outside of the chibi designs.

>>39675090
Mori fans don't watch streams, they listen to her music and buy her merch. That's why it's always her and Garua as the face of EN even though others get consistently more viewers.

>>39647810

the non-magni tempus members were very niche pre-holo, Axel barely existed

>>39675534
And Sana is the only one who wasn't a vtuber in her PL

>>39675534
>Kronii was a solid pick
jesus christ, hololive fans really have to gaslit themselves this uch?

>>39675534
see >>39640548

Kronii and Mumei were not solid picks. Bae isn't really that entertaining either, unless she's collabing with others, but she makes up for it with her Covers. Fauna is the only good streamer.

Being selected by Hololive is not an indication of quality.

>>39675582
Which is exactly the point. If we're picking artist or musician "nobodies", it'll just create another shitposting timeloop. I focus my energies on vtubers because that's who's getting picked.

>>39675683

shes got the right stuff, she just needs to stream more. honestly her strength is short videos/skits but shes barely done any

>>39647575
The day shinove stops working 80 hours a week is the day the earth cracks

>>39675707
>Bae
I'm curious how the weakest from the cursed MyHolo generation got picked for Hololive

>>39675772
Her singing is pretty good and she can speak Japanese, which is a huge plus. She probably put some of her covers in the audition.

But then I see the former idol who does the same while being entertaining being passed over, and I'm left scratching my head.

>>39642895
Good, Tempus blows Myth AND Council out of the water in actual entertainment value anyway

>>39675859
I will never understand why singing is such an important criteria when hiring a vtuber when karaoke is pretty rare and most of their content is streaming video games. You would think that being an entertaining streamer would be by far the most important criteria.

>>39675772
>How did Bae make it in over others
>Shes asian
>She speaks great japanese
>She's an okay singer
There thats it. Wow what an easy question to answer.

>>39675966
>I will never understand why singing is such an important criteria
>Hololive
>The literal Idol vtubing company
Gee anon I wonder why the idol themed vtuber company would value good singers so much?

>>39675683
The real irony is that most of HoloEN would be better, more interesting streamers if they were part of Nijisanji.

Remove the gender-lock and 'unfortunately idol culture is a thing' from Kronii and stick her with self-depracating lunatics like Ethyria and her interactions would be leagues better than they are now. Remove the sanitised bullshit from around Mumei's work environment and she'd be way better. Put Bae in a branch with people who love streaming and are actually good at interacting and she'd be way better.

The fact that Holofriends think that the girl who can't sing, doesn't have a great voice, is usually boring and her ASMR is above average but not as good as others from the Indie group Cover found her from was 'the best in Council' really tells you a lot about where HoloEN's level is truly at and how hard they've gaslit themselves into pretending that they're the cream of the crop. The best ones in HoloEN are neutered into becoming the worst ones while the painfully average are the happiest because they have the least friction with management.

>>39676003
If those are the main criteria that scouting takes into consideration when hiring talents then that means Holo scouting really is incompetent.

>>39676029
Why is the main content of the "idol" vtubing company video game streams?

>>39675966
1) it's easy and cheap to quickly produce quality content with a good singer
2) you can have large concerts and other variety events where they can shill their merch

>>39676173
There's plenty of zatsudans and other variety streams on the JP side. EN is restricted by distance.
Games are also an easy way to produce easy and relatable content. The numbers don't lie anon. If there was an easier way to make money (such as sponsorship deals), Cover would make the girls do that.

Having a talent unable to sing restricts them to games, zatsudans and CREATIVIDAD streams.

>>39676105
Ethyria are the best example of why you shouldn't hire based on only singing talent. They're a disaster.

>>39676456
Isn't Enna the only good singer?

>>39676129
Incompetent and inconsistent.

I said it earlier but my theory is that they focus on filtering people out rather than picking quality streamers.

>>39662074
Why in the hell would the current roster being lazy make them not want release a third gen? For the love of Christ can you guys think for like 10 fucking seconds before posting here, please? If Cover finds the way EN is behaving unacceptable they would've terminated their contracts a long time ago. Also pushing for a new gen when everyone else isn't streaming would be better in the long run because the new girls would be a replacement for the lazy ones who refuse to stream. Not to mention if they're so scared about the new hires becoming lazy as well then they should aim their efforts into firing the current management because they're the ones promoting this kind of workplace, not the talents.

>>39676452
Even for most of the talents who sing the great majority of their content is still games, zatsudans and CREATIVIDAD streams so if you hire a literal plank of wood who sings good most of their content will be mediocre slop. Just look at council, the talent who ended up being the most popular is the one who can't sing but is really good at streaming.

>>39676535
More like Nina is the only one who can't sing. Reimu's PL used to be a superstar in the utaite scene.

>>39676726
No disagreements here. That's why it should be a mixed bag of being decent singers and quality streamers.
The problem arises when they eventually want to hold events. Out of curiosity, what big ticket events can Fauna hold that aren't idol concerts?

>>39676726
>he most popular is the one who can't sing but is really good at streaming.
Fauna is about as interesting as watching paint dry. Even the one thing that is her "skill", which is ASMR, she is not even in the top 5 of in EN (Mori > Gura > Ame > Kronii > Bae > Fauna)

>>39676904
How many fans on the EN side are actually interested in events like concerts enough to actually pay for them?

>>39677139
Fauna is a competent gamer and very quick-witted. Her gaming streams are always a delight, she's cute AND funny, very entertaining. I don't even watch her ASMRs.

>>39643299
Compared to never? Or, once a year.

>>39677187
If they are saplings, and they can afford it and attend her event (which isn't a question because every concert is virtual), they're buying a ticket.

So well over 600 people, on the lower end and well over 3000 on the upper end. Events are a big deal and a great source of revenue for Cover, hence their hope for IRyS.

>>39677139
Mori's personality is offputing, Gura doesn't like video games and it shows in the fact that she drops a ton of games after one stream, Ame is a horrible streamer who's almost DSP tier, Bae is an obnoxious normalfag zoomer and I haven't watched Kroniiin a year so i can't comment on the quality of her streams.

>>39677139
She is very soft spoken and low energy, but she manages to make a lot of jokes and make herself watchable through sheer charisma. I understand it might not be for you, for as far as Council is concerned, she's the only streamer able to keep up the act. Shame about... nevermind.

>>39676653
So after years of shitting on Nijisanji for 'ACCELERATING' and supposedly abandoning ones who don't perform as well, the solution for HoloEN is to launch an emergency EN3 to cannibalise the viewers of girls who won't/can't stream.

Why? For what purpose? What kind of magical charm does the Blue Triangle hold over people that they'd rather see new people come in solely to fill their day with content until the old ones come back than watch literally ANY other corpo that is packed with streamers that put the work in for their fans regardless?

>>39677413
Really, because I would have zero interest in buying a ticket to a concert for a vtuber I'm membered to and I don't think I'm the only outlier who thinks like this.
Also
>their hope in IRyS
You mean their hope in one of the talents that they have mistreated the most? And speaking of, at least IRyS is sold as a vsinger so music is expected to be her primary output and even then she mostly does streams.

>>39642475
Then they find out Niji has the same perm and monetization issues.

>>39638160
Cover still hasn't realized its now competing with others for the western market space, its a decentralized field where medium to small corpos and indies on twitch/youtube have space to flex. Name carried them so far, but the field is being equalized and corpos are showing up with offers more attractive than having to deal with an amateurish hostile management and creative restraints all moving at a glacial pace in a fast moving industry.

A ligger deciding to work at Hololive now pretty much suffers the same dilemma as a fresh game developer deciding if they want to work at Blizz because they made good games once despite the fact its not 1990 anymore.

The western market is also a greenfield for JP companies, there's no infrastructure for scouting talents and an established culture like in japan, any company that wants to branch out has to build it from the ground up and Cover is no different. Myth took risks and heavy involvement from people like Yagoo and Coco. Council meanwhile was the branch's first test as an independent entity and the results are there for all to see.

>>39674965
Mori has talent and a solid work ethic, but she's in the wrong company. Everyone, can see it.

>>39677733
There's a reason I didn't list her membership count anon.
Keep in mind that even if you don't go to an event, that event has merch tie-ins people who won't pay for a concert would purchase, which is even more money without the YouTube middleman cut for superchats.

Suppose you had two equally quality streamers, at which point picking a singer versus a non-singer, is kind of a non-brainer for someone like Cover who wants to hold concerts and other special events (but won't be assed to help their talents pay for them).

>>39677801
>'liggers'
This is really the sour grapes thread, huh

>>39638160
>Please grudgepost me if I'm wrong
Honestly I think (You)'re right but I wanna be in the screenshot either way

>>39677918
I can use independent virtual youtuber if that satisfies your autism.

>>39677898
>Suppose you had two equally quality streamers, at which point picking a singer versus a non-singer, is kind of a non-brainer
So why do they end up picking so many mediocre streamers? Are you saying that almost all the candidates are mediocre streamers who don't like video games so they end up picking the ones who can sing well?

>>39677572
Hey schizo, could you please show me where in my post I talked about Nijisanji's ACCELERATE? And even if you bring that shit out it's not a competition of extremes. Nijisanji debuting 32 new members in 19 months is absurd, but Cover debuting only 11 (I'm not counting Tempus here) is equally retarded. There's absolutely a balance between both approaches but you Coverdrones believe debuting a new gen after SIXTEEN FUCKING MONTHS is somehow too early. Also ignoring how the branch became a revolving door with half of it's roster on breaks for whatever reason, HoloEN is not balanced at all with only 10 members. Unlike both JP and ID who all live in the same country EN is scattered around the world, with 6 of them living in completely different parts of North America, 2 in Japan, 1 in Australia and 1 isolated from all other timezones in Austria. Collabs with all members are a literal hell because of scheduling, off-collabs barely ever happen because of the geographic distance and there's not enough spreading of timeslots when 9 out of 10 members literally stream at the same fucking time during NA prime time. An EN3 that doesn't bring another round of Americans/Asian-Canadians/Asian-Aussies is 100% needed to round out their current roster, bring fresh blood with new interested and goals for the branch and revitalize the overall motivation of the branch. Remember when Council debuted and we had a bunch of collabs that ended with all members working together for the JP-EN servers portal? Yeah, that was the last project the branch ever did with everyone, while this year we barely had any big events with more than half of the group.

>>39675090
You're missing something else. Holo chuubas audition for specific VTuber models, Kronii was the best talent for Wada's Nero face. They don't necessarily pick the 5 best talents.

>>39638288
>>39638974
Wasn't she in one before? Seems like she shouldn't have left, looking at these other literally whos

>>39678160
And Bae was the best talent for the chaos rat even though her personality doesn't fit at all?

>>39639064
How tf did (You) know who the other anon was talking about?

>>39678140
I have no idea what type of thought process Cover has for their selection process. The models are made in advance of auditions, and talents are likely picked based on how they fit the model. There was a book by Guchiko-papa regarding Aloe's incarnation that went over the design process for her pretty well, actually. Mostly, with Delu picking accessories and designs for Aloe.

But that's exactly why this thread exists and something I'm afraid of: that they're not picking quality streamers, they're picking whatever fits the theme.

>>39678152
All the NA one besides gura live on the west coast.

>>39678205
She probably should have but I think Kawaii did have abysmal numbers at the beginning.

>>39678288
Sure, across 2 countries. So 5 members scattered around multiple states and a whole fucking border. Doesn't change the fact that off-collabs for them are much harder to do compared to JP when they all live close to Tokyo.

>>39677801
I feel like that will be the third golden age of vtubing, where technology is good enough to appeal to a mainstream audience. Anime already did the groundwork, vtuber companies just need to use that opportunity to expand.

Whether that's a good or a bad thing for the vtuber community, is for another discussion entirely. What is certain is that Hololive is slowly but surely losing relevance in the EN market. One look at the catalog can tell you that. When /vt/ was first created after Myth's debut, it was a Hololive board. It is now more of a mixed bag.

>>39675357
Fauna, Mumei and Bae are solid choices which proves that Hololive talent scouting worked. Sana's resume was solid, but gambling on a non-streaming professional artist was a big mistake that Hololive won't make again. Kronii was their diamond in the rough and where they hoped they'd hit a home run. Considering she's still (arguably) the most popular girl in CouncilRyS, it wasn't a bad hire.

>>39678282
>they're not picking quality streamers, they're picking whatever fits the theme
There's a rrat that Axel confirmed that in a members stream. I haven't seen anyone confirming or denying it, but considering the whole lore bullshit they're pushing with EN it does feel like they're looking for people to fit certain roles.

>>39639729
>>39639865
Also Uruka (viola or cello I think?) and Miori (piano, though she does it rarely).
Emuri plays violin but she definitely can't be called a talented vsinger.
Aside from piano, Athy plays ukulele, sort of.
I'm sure there are more, just slipping my mind rn.

>>39642798
schizo post

>>39678463
As someone who doesn't watch a lot of Mumei, her only real strong point, are her middle of the night karaokes. She's a decent singer but I don't know about a good streamer.

>>39675683
Yes? She has the most subs, the biggest fanbase in Council and has entertaining interactions with her chat. She's also decent at games and all the other girls love her. She just doesn't enjoy streaming, but if Gura and Ina gets a pass so should Kronii.

>>39639462
You can't really shit on Covers hiring staff when the last gen recruited, ID3, completely redefined success for ID vtubing. And they did it with somewhat weird picks.

>>39678683
>the biggest fanbase in Council
You mean the biggest number of dead subs?

>>39675772
I assume Miori also applied, but she didn't make it in, which was a mistake.

Posts like these >>39674022 remind me a lot of what I used to see people say about Sega around 1999/2000.
>stop being so pessimistic, the dreamcast is selling well and Sonic Adventure was the biggest hit of 99!
>who cares about those small slip ups with the Saturn and 32x? People still loved them.
>Sonic is still the biggest name in video games on the planet. He regularly shows up in big ads. Sega of Japan loves showing off Sonic.
>just you wait, 2001's games are gonna blow the competition away
You people need to press harder on Cover and demand their and their EN talents get their shit together. Otherwise the company you love might just fundamentally transform overnight, and you'll have to deal with the same pain many experienced two decades ago.

>>39643381

>>39638160
there is always option that EN3 will not have any streamers in, but actual artists/professional gamers/singers/entertainers
They tried with streamers, but literally more than half of them are no longer in need of streaming after gaining self-esteem fixing dose of money and fanbase's cuddling, so they are now learning how to live normie's life instead of staying in escapism that anime and games are
They should really find people with actual passion, something to say and not fucking womanchild menheras that want to be spoiled and give nothing back

>>39678205
>>39678297
She traveled and is now living in Japan working for this literally who JP company doing worse than as an indie and Kawaii member, which throws out the assumption that she was over the corpo life, and made the conclusion that she was a Hololive pick a solid rrat if Hololive had actually debuted Gen 3 this year. With the numbers she's at now, the entire ordeal only makes sense if she's getting heavily compensated for her time and work. She did also rig her own model.

Unfortunately for her, or fortunately if you want to anti, it looks like Hololive doesn't care about idols on the EN side anymore.

>>39678854
difference is that Cover is actually profitable unlike dreamcast sega

>>39638642
It's not like indies do more "creative" stuff we went through this "talent freedom" bullshit when Coco graduated, indies don't do anything more interesting than holos, if they did we would talk about them rather than corpos.
Holos seem burned out because half of them is mentally ill and/or had minimal experience with streaming prior to joining. They also get enough money to get away with doing the bare minimum, they never had to fight for their audience like their JP senpai that's why most of them are anti-numbers.

>>39676726
Kronii and Mumei have been number 1 and 2 in popularity up until Kronii's Tempus arc. Mumei is hampered by also being a Uni student, but she still streams a ton. And if Kronii ever decides she wants to be a numberfag and stream buff games that are outside her comfort zone, she can easily regain her most popular Council member spot. Fauna is solid, but she has the lowest ceiling of all the girls.

>>39647575
>Cover will not realize there is something wrong
Because there isn't, from any rational business perspective, as (You) show. Normies don't give a fuck about this muh unicorn, muh cgcdt shit.

>>39674022
>Gura is still the biggest vtuber on the planet
She has over 4 million dead subs and can't get more than 15k viewers on her normal streams when members with less than half of that consistently beat her on that department. Sorry anon, but the EN branch is being left to rot with the baffling decision it's staff has been doing since late 2020 when they took too fucking long to put new auditions, and I sure as hell won't be optimistic when they wasted 2022 on 2 borderline 3views, a Twitch cancer clout chaser and one of the few good streamers EN has who unfortunately couldn't hold his temper with how absolutely retarded management is to the point he got the first publicly announced suspension since the fucking Taiwan debacle. Is it completely over? Probably not, but when EN3 finally comes out it'll be too little too late and there's an absurdly high chance of their addition end up being a net increase lower than 5 when half of the fucking branch gave up. Also you can absolutely screencap this and grudgepost me in a year but HoloEN won't enter 2024 unscathed.

>>39679204
Indies play more interesting video games and for me at least that's extremely important.

>>39676904
Conventions.

>>39676105
>The real irony is that most of HoloEN would be better, more interesting streamers if they were part of Nijisanji.
And there you have it boys and girls. Proof that all these faggots in here doomposting about HoloEN are just jealous Nijifags cry posting over how they just got on stream cucked again.

>>39677187
Enough.

>>39679366
>muh hivemind

>>39679242
Cover does give a shit you fucking retard, numbers mean nothing if all the paypigs go away. Fuck off back to twitter you underage dipshit.

>>39679366
You keep on believing that while hiding your head in the sand.

>>39677801
They realize, that's why they tried to Nijify with Tempus, which has brought them mixed-results.

>>39679345
You mean hosting a panel with a thousand other content creators, voice actors, and companies distracting from your panel?

Bad place to plug merch, to be honest.

>>39679242
They do. It's a silent killer. Normalfags will subconsciously realize that HoloEN has changed, and they'll just slowly stop watching over time.

>>39638160
Anon there is no EN3 before 2024. Omega only plans to debut Stars 2 next year following the niji model of two male, two female waves holo EN is FUCKED.

>>39678140
Because, singers bring in more revenue generally speaking. Azki being an obvious exception.

>>39678239
Yes, probably.

>>39679242
>Let's try to appeal to a mainstream audience despite the idol JP side having grown us to the point we're at now
>fast forward a two years
>EN CCV shrunk to half of the JP side

>>39679606
I'm sorry but I find it impossible to believe that.

>>39650915
>She's with the 2view JP corpo with 2view numbers.
>the
Do you really think you've narrowed it down somehow?

>>39677733
You probably are an outlier. Concerts are still massively popular in Hololive and that won't change.

>>39678463
The only reason people shit on Council so much is that two of their members launched with retarded bf rrats. Thats it. If that never happened people would be praising Cover for Council since Council is basically just Myth 2.0 as far as talent itself.

>>39679828
Fauna is getting the most praise in this thread and hers isn't a rrat.

>>39679851
They are both rrats because they are both going off old outdated information that could've wildly changed since then. It's no different then the Amegeddon stupidity.

>>39676105
>The real irony is that most of HoloEN would be better, more interesting streamers if they were part of Nijisanji.
How? I'm a holotard, but Pomu is my kamioshi and I have seen enough of the other nijis from her collabs to have a general idea of how they all work. The main issue of hololive EN is lack of motivation and goals. You don't need to say "fuck" every few seconds to make an stream interesting, you have to work hard and keep trying to improve yourself as an entertainer.

Most of the HoloEN talents don't even bother to make an effort on improving. I like Ina a lot, but she is still exactly the same barely average streamer that she was on her debut. Gura and Ame shrug off any kind of criticism or feedback. Mori and Kronii live on their own world, and Bae and Mumei are just there. I don't like Kiara and Fauna that much, but at least they make an effort.

Management is partially to blame, but the talents aren't even trying to pull their weight either.

>>39679902
Anon...

>>39678599
She's excellent if you look beyond your own subjective tastes. She loves streaming and genuinely cares about making entertaining content, she's the 'la creatividad' of Council. Her humour and voice might filter a lot of people, but hoomans love it, so there's no incentive for her to change.

>>39680033
NTA but they are mostly right. The information is months or even over a year old at the time they joined Hololive. Its not any different than with Ame's own retarded yab.

>>39680035
Honestly I think her humour is her best trait. Seeing her no selling horror games is extremely entertaining.

>>39679994
> you have to work hard and keep trying to improve yourself as an entertainer.
Anon, they can't do anything without management approval.

>>39679994
>Management is partially to blame
You mean completely. Don't get me wrong I don't think the girls should be as lazy as they are, but it's management that let it reach this point. Forcing the girls to stream at this point won't help in anything, but their job is to make sure they're creating content since that's the reason why they were hired, and the fact that they're more than fine with the talents taking multiple breaks almost in succession and also encourage them to do so shows that even the staff doesn't want to their job.

>>39680035
Mumei also loves her fans, and she's learning to play to her specific memes or jokes. She's also roasting people alot more which is definitely her strong point.

>>39679994
Its Nijifag autistm anon don't even bother making sense of it. They all believe that Hololive is super restrictive and doesn't let their talents do anything. They unironically believe they don't even let their talent swear, make lewd jokes/comments, or have personalities. They've created a completely false idea of Hololive in their tiny chink brains.

>>39676653
I mean stars is and always was a side branch but they sacrificed summer debut slot for them this year before Susan started culling subs again, makes you think management have no idea what they're doing with the branch or what fans actually want.

>>39680246
Its funny because chinese people are literally mimics when it comes to developing outward personalities because of how they assimilate and are taught. The "personality " alot of them have is entirely developed from the conditions at nijisanji and by their viewers. They have negative real personality.

>>39680218
>Mumei loves her fans
Sure Hoocuck, but just remember... there's someone else she loves more.

>>39657235
>Noel... also running a coomer empire, while still finding time to chill with Lamy and Marine.
How does this benefit her Hololive stream content?

>>39679242
Normies also don't watch streams or buy merch. It's like should a gacha game pander to casual F2P players or whales?

>>39680161
>but it's management that let it reach this point.
I mean, they are still making a lot of money. Why fix something that isn't broken? And the fans don't seem to mind it too much either, the chumbuds are the only ones who bothered to ask what the fuck was going on with the streams, but they seem pretty satisfied with the no-response of management and the new undefined hiatus of Gura.

>>39677572
Holo EN struggles to hold one bigger collab at a time without relying on holo ID or as in case of Ame fucking homostars, it's a clear sign something is fucked and branch needs new members, perhaps two times more not just another 5 ASAP.

>>39680462
It doesn't. It's more that her content doesn't suffer because of her coomerbait.

>>39680462
That was not anon's point, but you can bet a lot of Noel's fans and paypigs come from her other job.

>>39667195
You might get JP7 by that time...

>>39679635
We don't know who she was competing against for that model.

>>39680485
5 new members is enough if they know what they are doing and can easily make collabs between them.

>>39680485
>Holo EN struggles to hold one bigger collab at a time without relying on holo ID
Yeah thats called most of HoloEN being full of actual mentally autistic shut-ins who can barely stand being in a collab with anyone that isn't a tiny select few members.

OP here. Thanks for the good discussions in the thread. Like I said, please grudgepost me if I'm wrong. I want to be wrong. I want to have fun threads again and not wait for girls to stream all the damn time. Remember Gura's first karaoke? Or Mori's song at debut? I want to relive that experience. I want to be hyped for talented people who will blow us away with their skill, energy, and talent, instead of shitty generic debuts of a half-baked theme-reliant "who" pick.

I want Hololive to succeed and I also want girls who will give us what I just mentioned, who deserve the numbers and success, and will work to grow the brand and keep things interesting. They exist, Cover just needs to not be stupid enough to let them slip by their fingers.

>>39674869
Omegay was around to shill tempiss it wasn't so long ago even when it feels like years.