/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

She canceled it probably because she had way better things to do.

the Tempus campaign is ongoing

>>39614660
So, you have nothing to disprove op's opinion?

>>39614566
i watched a couple of episodes, good on mori for attempting it but i felt it wasnt going anywhere.

then again i feel the same for any ttrpg thats being streamed, it's all just very lame.

>>39614566
I love mori but hunter is my least favorite white wolf game. I havent bothered to watch it.

>>39614566
>expecting women to care about ttrpg

>>39614566
it´s not her fault
her genmates don´t want to continue
it is impossible now to get all 5 of them to do a collab together
Ina couldn´t even be bothered to send a 10sec soundbite for a christmas collab
Myth is finished
Mori is still one of those who stream at least

>>39614566
You're forgetting about all of Fubuki's Call of Cthulhu campaigns.

>>39615572
>i felt it wasnt going anywhere.
I'm starting to feel this way about the whole branch.

>>39614566
the girls got annoyed with mori and how she dominated conversations as DM

>>39617087
Is that not what DMs are supposed to do? They're basically writing a story in real time.

>>39617125
Some players get very testy about having to coexist with a DM. I think the current overwhelming emphasis on player agency has gone a bit far, personally.

>>39617125
>They're basically writing a story in real time
>They
Yes, all of them not only the dm
There's is a balance to keep both the story going and the players (and in this case also the audience) engaged and Mori couldn't achieve it

>>39617125
I mean ideally it’s all give and take, the DM leads for a while and sets the scene, and when the moment is right they can take a step back and let the players discuss whatever needs discussing. But that requires players who actively attempt to rp with each other. I don’t think Mori is free of blame, it’s just that from what I remember Kiara was the only player who seemed consistently switched on, engaged, and eager, so Mori kinda had to fill in some gaps here and there. There might have been some missed opportunities where Mori could have invited her players to take the reins, doors she could have opened for them rather than relying on them having both the improv ability and initiative to barge in. idk

>>39614566
She went all year promising to continue it, wanted to really push for summer but coordinating everyone was too hard apparently. Based on this year's unity stats probably none of them cared enough to do a serious schedule check, and also Calli herself probably had streaming shit take a back seat thanks to the UMG honeymoon phase.

>>39614566
>So I guess that TTRPG thing fizzled out?
Mori canceled the TTRPG finale at the second so she could go play with some other kids. Now the whole thing's completely dead.

>>39616819
>it´s not her fault
Yes it is.

>>39617545
>this year's unity stats
Elaborate

>>39614566
The ttrpg was just a company mandated all-myth collab to keep people from watching the obsydia debut. Of course it fizzled out, no one wanted to do it in the first place.

>>39614566
Fuck off TTRPG is fucking TRASH, only balding faggots care about this garbage

>>39614566
Just like every real TTRPG campaign!
BRAVO CALLIOPE NOLAN

>So I guess that HoloEN thing fizzled out? It seems none of them has enough desperation for a full cereer without full ownership of it.

>>39617926
even if they never did ttrpg I would have never watch the obsydia debut.

>>39614566
It was entirely Moris fault because she's a shit DM. Couldn't keep the other girls interested and flaked out multiple different streams they were supposed to play.

I think the biggest problem with the TTRPG was
>too many people
>Mori was too ambitious with the plot - it's a Hunter game but she's including Changeling/Geist/Vampire all at once.
>Ame shouldn't have been there, terrible player.

If it was just Mori, Gura and Kiara it'd have actually been really good. Mori is really good at smaller moments leading up to big mysteries, but it's hard to keep track of tone when she blows her load constantly. Kiara was obviously really interested in the story even if she was new to the whole TTRPG dynamic and Gura was surprisingly really good at integrating herself into the world. Mori is very good at playing various characters and smaller scenes, but this all gets lost when there's 4 other people there 2 of which are asocial flies on the wall and she's throwing high stakes esoteric shit from other CofD games at them to the point where the story is just a total mess.


This is leaving aside any behind the scenes scheduling autism. I think if Mori were to try this again, she'd need to have a smaller but tighter group of people and she should probably choose Geist over Hunter and ideally stay in that lane to flesh it out.
Anyone who unironically suggests they should have played D&D is a designated normalfag that should just watch CriticalRole and fuck off.

>>39619313
>Whitewolf fag
I know you're subhuman but you can leave now

>>39619535
CofD is Onyx Path now really.

>>39619313
Stop trying to excuse Mori's ability and behavior to organize anything. Fucking cuckbeats, I swear

I still consider Scout's intro stream to be the best HoloEN content in general. This is the one where everything went perfectly. I kinda wish it had been just these two the whole way through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MiGxbsKyO8

>>39619700
>This is leaving aside any behind the scenes scheduling autism
why are you so mad? everyone's already gone over the scheduling and her RM magically has time for TT. I'm talking about the games as presented.

>>39614566
She plays TTRPGs with her FRIENDS anon.

>>39614922
the old man is aware that livestreaming DnD can be pretty boring so he cuts them into episodes to help people understand.

>>39619956
dumb, thats due to the holidays and you know it.

>>39619956
>dnd
boring. wake me up when he does Exalted/Runequest/Ooka/Song of Swords

She would play it with better ranked friends.

>>39620099
whatever you want man holidays or not, it's a rrat I'm going with
>>39620695
perms are a bitch to obtain

>>39621201
Exalted is WW so it has Darkpack and is like, the easiest permission for japs to obtain unless they're retarded-
>EN Management
good point.

>>39614660
>Tempus

Made it far enough to be enjoyable, but dragged on to the point where the party isn't interested in seeing it through. Mori took on responsibility for any failure since she did delay at times and she doesn't want to throw anyone else under the bus for not wanting to continue/finish.
Still, at its highs it was good content and provided for the ever-rarer Myth collab. I love Yuul!

>>39619944
By that she means gets gangbanged and filled with cum
But let's say (you) are right, if she trully plays she has clearly NEVER been DM, this whole thing shows that

>>39622197
>he lacks CRITICAL information

>>39619313
You know guras one of the reasons it never continued right? That shit wouldn't have gotten far with just them

>>39614660
Nobody fucking asked

>>39622334
Ina is the reason it never continued. Gura was the reason they even made it to session 1.

>>39618355
You watch vtubers. Have some self awareness.

Fa/tg/uy here:
It was probably her first time being DM and it shows, she was bad but not as bad as it couldve been also like other anon said she tried to do WoD, Changeling, Vampire and so much bullshit when they should've gone for something easier and more new player friendly like Pugmire, CoC (I started with this actually) or even GURPS specially for some of them like Kiara or Ame (both terrible and probably didn't even knew TGs existed before Mori pitched the idea)

Also this >>39616791

>>39622316
>Critical Role
Bunch of lefty Californian normie fucks

>>39622720
this was a big reason why i was so excited with them doing cofd. don't agree with >>39622664 about doing pugmire or coc. mori should have just stayed to low tier hunter plots to start out with rather than...going to the hedge and the underworld sequentially what the fuck is her problem???

>>39622773
Simple case of ambition overtaking ability. Group should have been smaller but she didn’t want to exclude anyone.
Then once her UMG ties came into play anything more than a oneshot would take too much time.

>>39616842
I can't find it, do you have the link of the videos?

I still hope it comes back someday and that Mori implements the God-Machine. Demon: The Descent is my favorite CofD gameline.

>>39622316
>Critical Role
>implying that the woke shitshow that basically destroyed 5E is good

>>39624261
>>39622720
>thinks that was a reference to critical role
newfags.

>>39622486
Gura didn't want to keep playing and ina was dying. Ame and Kiara are the only ones who really wanted to continue

>>39619700
Disgusting how they keep trying to drag Suisei in to their steaming pile of shit.
https://streamable.com/vve0gu

>>39619313
>r*ddit spacing
kys tourist faggot.

>>39622773
She fell into the classic first time DM trap of trying to recreated a bunch of cool epic moments from games she played in, without taking the time to lay the foundation for them first. Going to the hedge is cool when it's the climax of a long story arc that builds up to it, not when it's session 3 and your characters barely know each other.

>>39614566
Anon, it's actually pretty hard to get 5 people with wildly-differing schedules and timezones to meet up for several hours a go for a dozen sessions. And it's not like Minecraft where people can start the stream and then ditch twenty minutes in or join halfway through; once one person has to go, it's basically done.

I've had long-distance TRPG sessions fall apart for this same reason.

They all had issues, mostly from all being new.

>Mori
Overly ambitious, but unfocused, but also terrible for railroading. She'd watch an anime and decide this WILL be part of the next session. Couldn't weave in player ideas but also bad at discouraging.
>Kiara
Just didn't really understand much. Heart was in it but from mechanics to how bullets work Tiara should've died a lot. Sometimes from no one else moving the plot so she had to try, often stabbing herself. Mori let her build a poor character for the campaign.
>Gura
If she wasn't le meme shork everyone would call her out for being that player. Wanted to push silly ideas instead of engaging. Mori was too scared about ever punishing them for wacky antics.
>Ina/Ame
Just didn't engage but sure could luckshit.

The biggest sin though was the juggalo side mission. Which we can blame deadbeats for helping design.

Mori wants to be a player, not a game master, and she's said as much. She only got slapped with the GM role by default because she has the most experience.

It shows, because the parts where she just roleplays a villain or walks a PC through a tense situation (i.e. the early episodes) are really really good.
It falls apart when she's dealing with multiple players and trying to give them all equal screentime when some of them are godawful roleplayers. It gets worse when she has to come up with progression in the story (because the audience expects an ending) instead of just doing tight one-shots.

I can guarantee you that a Fauna campaign where she and Kiara are players would be much more enjoyable, because those two would be good PCs.

>>39622773
>>39625745
You guys didn't like the Hedge arc? I thought it gave us some of the most memorable moments, like the walkie-talkies giving away their location while the party was split, Watoto's almost-mage-esque BS, and the combat against the sniper in general.

>>39617759
It's dead, Jim

>>39627018
It was fun till they hit moments when either mori didn't want them to progress that way, or she had to hold back on killing. Kiara and Ame really couldn't figure out how Mori wanted them to progress despite acceptable ideas. So they started doing dumb shit.

Also the whole keeping the sniper rifle debacle.

>>39627169
>>39626852
>>39625824
t.r*dditourist
Go the fuck back samefaggot

>>39627235
nice contribution to the discussion, very cool

>>39626158
I remember when Gura randomly, just wanted to find a portal to an alternate world or some shit.
So she opened like a drawer and Mori said "You find a door...to the world of insects. They swarm you."

And that's like the one example I have of Mori putting her foot down.

>>39627575
The laxatives really sum up how both struggle. Gura kept trying despite being shut down, so she took her pants off and tried to burn down the place. However Mori couldn't fit the plan into her story, and wasn't able to stop her antics.

>>39622498
Bold of you to assume

>>39622773
>what was the Reaper thinking going to the underworld
If she didn't, a million Redditards would be screaming their heads off about muh immersion and kayfabe.

>>39627018

It was a cool idea that would have worked a lot better further into the campaign (if it had actually kept going, that is), once all the girls characters were more established and they were more familiar with the mechanics.

>>39627295
>inspect element
It only bothers you because you were caught, you write like a faggot and won’t shut up.

>>39620695
>n-no vtuber has the att- Tempus doesn't count!!
>dnd d-doesnt count its boring!

Moving that goalpost

>>39614566
If her genmates weren't a bunch of lazy sloths who take 5 days off for every one stream, maybe things would be different. Blame them.

>>39622664
You're a good tourist fa/tg/uy . Please stick around, let us know if you use our oshi's for a character or something. Be interesting to hear about.

>>39614566
medium or long campaings of investigation(boring) with new players = dead on arrival.

It's that simple

>>39620695
stop larping, you wouldn't watch any of them

>>39619739
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MiGxbsKyO8
Yeah it was absolute gold.

>>39614566
The TTRPG, at least in this form it was set up, was always doomed from the start:

- too large group, the insistance that it always HAD to be a full gen collab with everyone meant that scheduling was always an uphill battle. Despite them talking about how "oh it's no problem if someone has to drop out for a bit", that was always a farce (if the rest of them actually WANTED to continue the ttrpg and it was only one or two persons dropping out, the rest could've worked around this and carried on, but the fact that they ALL pretty much dropped out simultaneously suggests no one left was really into it at the end)

- people all over the world (timezones) and being busy with their own work. Another issue for scheduling. It's hard enough to get 5 people to agree on one day to collab, then you also have to decide the hour. And being spread out over multiple timezones all but ensures it will always be shit (too late / too early) for at least some of them, which is poison for atmosphere and chemistry. There was always one (or multiple, most of the time) people in the collab that had clear "ugh, I'd rather not be here" energy, what with being tired, grumpy, groggy or just nonresponsive.

- both issues above also meant that with the sessions being so spread out thin over weeks apart, the girls forgot everything about the game, and each stream there had to be time wasted for "uh, so what were we doing again?" plot refreshers and "uh, how does this game work again?" rule reminders. By the end, some girls were clearly checked out mentally and even Mori, whose passion project this was, seemed less into it. The fact that no one is in a hurry to revive the ttrpg is a clue that yeah, they're all probably quietly happier that it's rather forgotten.

IF (big if) anyone ever gets the big idea to do something like this again, they should learn the lessons from the failure of the first season.
- do a smaller group, only of people who are committed and actually want to be there, instead of passive passengers just dragged along for appearances' sake. 2-3 people max, also that's just easier to coordinate.
- don't try to overburden yourself by planning to make this into a season-long "arc" if it clearly doesn't work out, just do shorter self-contained scenarios that can be played in one or two sessions. If it works and everyone wants more, great, and if it doesn't, you can just stop and no one is sad or left hanging.
Really, the JP's did ttrpg streams successfully before, and they've figured out these simple practices before, so just learn from them and copy that.

>>39614566
Feels great being a tempus Chad.
Especially since vesper is a old school ttrpg grognard, and that stuff flows in his blood, aswell as axel having CoC experience, altare being very a2
aware if ttrpgs for a while and always wanting to do one and magni having such a absolute blast he got super duper into it.
And now the full week of DnD vids begin

>>39634153
I legit think an adventurers guild format with each session being a mostly self contained mini adventure would be the best way to pull this off.
The guild contrivance provides a reason for people to drop in and out along with a variety of story options.
Focusing on small self contained stories that can be done in one or two sessions lets you avoid having the issue of people forgetting shit and needing specific characters to hand.

Did Mori ever finish playing Doom?

>>39634153

4 players is literally the ideal group size; it grants everyone the ability to shine, but also allows for specialization enough that you don't have to be a jack of all trades, master or none.

The problems weren't from the group size, they were other things as pointed out by others here in this thread:
- Lack of engagement
- Railroading
- Knowledge / wanting to learn
- Time issues

I'll add in another big one, the WOD system they used wasn't good and Mori used it poorly. What was / wasn't a success frequently came down to if Mori wanted it to or not instead of a simple "If you beat X roll, you succeed" If I remember correctly, the one time Ina rolled 4 successes by the WOD rules and Mori made it like she barely passed the check. The convoluted damage system also is a nightmare and essentially 3/4 should have died in their solo campaigns / been useless afterwards in the group campaigns because of how damage exists.

I look forward to see how Tempus does with D&D 5e, a much more friendly system. Even that though, they've fudged the rules a bit already with Curiobot who should have had to make all those spell attacks at point blank range at disadvantage.

>>39635328
She beat it like a year ago

>>39635724
She beat it like she used to beat kiara