/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

chumkek deflection thread

>>39533773
Who?

But this one is

>>39533773
Not a bad person no. Just poor at setting her priorities.

She's not a bad person, she's just way too fucking autistic, hope Kson can cure her when she takes her to Vshojo soon.

Through the few collabs with mouse she’s been alright. I’d probably watch her if she wasn’t on youtube

>>39533773
All of these are

Making unicorns seethe since 2020

>>39533773
I strongly disagree.

>>39533971
Only because she gave my dick rugburn.

>>39533773
She makes the woke sjws seethe so she must be a good person.

Of course she's not. She doesn't usually stream content I like, but of course she's not a fucking bad person. Who the fuck is going to assume that?

>>39536060
Me

>>39536060
Sadly many people genuinely think she's awful over the most anodyne stuff imaginable. Just pure "this bitch eating crackers" energy.

>>39533773
As a Tempus fan she fucking sucks and I hope she gets terminated.

>>39533773
I don't know, as I've never met her.

She's not as bad as people make her out to be but I still won't watch her if I can help it. The way she speaks turns me away

>>39537675
Odd because it turns me on!

>>39537675
How do? She sounds pretty normal to me.

>>39533773
>She’s not a thin person you know

She's kinda stupid though. And she doubles down on the stupidest takes, sometimes to be an annoying contrarian, sometimes out of genuine stupidity. I don't hate her or think she's a bad person, she's just a "great" person and it's a shame that were many great people who could've filled her space as the first generation Hololive EN member.

>>39533773
She's a terrible person

>>39535409
>woke sjws canceling their own
Tale as old as time

she doesn't talk all that much. i clicked on 5 of her streams and struggled to find extemporaneous dialogue. it's like she's always vaguely talking about a game or a shallow conversation with a collab

>>39537817
>stupid
this too.

>>39533773
Why Mori Calliope is the worst hololive member

>talks about alcohol nonstop to the point where it's one of the only things she sounds genuinely interested in

>applied to hololive as a joke, knowing nothing about vtubers or streaming and only because her friend Milkyqueen was applying too and showed her it, taking her spot in the process https://youtu.be/tIU0xG-lXkQ?t=2397

>used to heavily bait for superchats in her early days, interrupting collabs to thank red scs "BIG UPS AKASUPA"

>says hololive only takes up 5% of her actual time https://youtu.be/lBkuqt-xigY

>continuously trying to change hololive by attempting collabs with and mentioning anime youtubers and random men
https://streamable.com/zx0e7k

>always late to collabs and never sets up properly

>according to kiara has overslept multiple collabs, causing them to be cancelled or rescheduled

>barely talked during 2 hour clubhouse 51 collab with Kiara, to the point where Kiara had to use the weather deck to get her to talk at all

>made nothing but grunts and 1-3 word replies during shadowverse collab with kiara

>straight up said "no" when kiara asked if she had seen her new MV https://youtu.be/nvZcIGnCSrs?t=12222

>lied to kiaras face about loving her king cover (which was a rickroll joke) saying she "listened to it all the time" https://streamable.com/t2985s

>didn't properly setup for lethal league with ina, played and talked with fans while ina sat and watched

>acted like a bitch once the punishments game for puyo puyo tetris came up, refused to do any of them

>spoils outfits on twitter for first smol collab, does nothing for the jeopardy rounds and slams her keyboard for it

>blabs about alcohol before even introducing herself during a collab with Reine, an Indonesian who isn't allowed to drink https://youtu.be/VX1hxP-Tmiw?t=342 https://youtu.be/VX1hxP-Tmiw?t=394

>possibly corrupting irys as she mentioned they've met a few times to drink tea

>makes myth wait almost half an hour in the ender dragon fight collab because she got lost looking for wood because she didn't prepare, then makes them lose diamond armor because she jumped into the void in the end https://youtu.be/BwL9-tqLF3I?t=4641

>didn't call in for Ame's first birthday, called in at the very last minute for her second birthday sounding drunk with a shitty rap https://youtu.be/tMwKQniur0k

>constantly talks to her collab partners like they're mentally challenged children

>simps over Rikka on and off stream nonstop, they collab on Super Bunny Man and Mori can barely hold a convo in Japanese, forcing Rikka to use his terrible English

>completely ruins highly anticipated first EN meme review with Coco by being nothing but her "dorky rapper" character instead of making any good conversation or jokes, to the point where Coco asks "are you okay? you're acting like a crackhead" and "is she always like this?" to 75k viewers
https://youtu.be/YTTnA4MQkg0?t=2435
https://youtu.be/YTTnA4MQkg0?t=1121

>woke gura up early on a day she planned to stream, wastes everyones time because she only then learned the game they were gonna play is local only, makes them switch to ANOTHER local only game, didn't install the final proper game between the time elapsed switching previous games, then makes sleepy Gura wait another half hour only for their gameplay to be fucked by seconds long delay, then finally settling on Phasmophobia, disables comments afterwards https://youtu.be/sbo8zS8otzQ

>caused 6 month anniversary Don't Starve myth collab to be delayed by 30 mins https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1370508896150818817

>fell asleep on stream during very first myth Minecraft collab https://youtu.be/NS3_sNTwIRw?t=10427

>told Gura during a collab that someone said her "booty stank" while working at a restaurant https://youtu.be/WhM27pQZ_2E

>>39538351
Based af

>>39538351
The only ones that feel warranted for hate are where she's being a dickhead to Kiara. I get most of Kiara's eggs are doxxbeats but I hate how she seemingly got away with it because Kiara said they're getting along now.

>>39538351
based beyond saving

>>39538604
The "we used to get along poorly" interpretation of that quote is probably bullshit. Kiara probably just phrased it imperfectly

>>39533773
shes autistic in the same obnoxious way i am so i cant watch her

>>39533773
>>39538351
The Trash Taste drama gets its own section, as it is the longest running problem with Mori and the sole reason this post exists

>Mori collabs with Trash Taste
https://youtu.be/tIU0xG-lXkQ https://youtu.be/h5QspNrKphM

>guy from TT, Connor, says on Ironmouse's stream that people in hololive are popular not because of their talent but because of the brand https://files.catbox.moe/91mnvk.MP4

>time passes, Mori mentions TT a significant amount the last few months

>a longtime member in Moris member stream says she shouldn't associate with them https://files.catbox.moe/lfcm82.png

>Mori insults her members and lies that Connor personally apologised to every holoEN member https://files.catbox.moe/75cb93.mp4

>"we speak to each other quite a bit, um, as friends", laughing nervously after

>someone asks Kiara about this, Kiara says she isn't in contact with anyone from Trash Taste https://streamable.com/5a8uq2

>Mori then donates 50 subs to Connor on her new Twitch account
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce-cR-f8TlM

>someone superchats "condom money for Connor" https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/archive/superchat/iJvbxzGh_a4.html

>Mori announces that she won't read superchats anymore without management reading them first https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxTissHo0AM

>keeps talking about the drama on stream

>Mori announces that she will be streaming on twitch semi-regularly from now on

>deadbeats in her comment section are upset about all of this

>everyone moves on

>days later she suddenly replies to and compliments a 6 day old Twitter post from a dedicated anti account of an MSpaint edit of her getting fucked by Connor, while her fans watch crying, insinuating her fans are cucks https://web.archive.org/web/20220123054143/https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485121754624593924

>Redditors notice this and post it to the hololive subreddit

>she replies to the reddit thread "can I PLEASE just have some fun. Please." https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/sam9io/uhh_calli/htukq15/https://files.catbox.moe/lxuexz.png

>she gets downvoted and they shame her for her actions

>someone asks why she did it, she admits she's drunk
https://files.catbox.moe/z2z0mm.jpeg

>deletes everything, apologises on twitter, announces break but then says she's high on lean on her corporate, public twitter account, and then tries to damage control by saying she didn't know what it meant https://web.archive.org/web/20220124193835/https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485136066008944640

>later, begins collabing with holo members again but it's painfully clear she isn't interested and is faking her enthusiasm, the entire terraria stream is an example https://youtu.be/8ZiNmfUCEt4

>goes out of her way to put "with my FRIENDS" on her Terraria collab, and again "ft FRIENDS" in the title of Surgeon Simulator collab, when she's never done so https://files.catbox.moe/minblk.jpeg https://files.catbox.moe/u1ufzu.jpeg

>still won't stop mentioning TT https://youtu.be/Zm_Q5yLdgas

In conclusion, Calliope Mori is a terrible influence on hololive and should graduate immediately. She has proven time and time again that she does not care about her position as a vtuber.

I just don’t like her. Don’t care about reason. Don’t care about evidence.

>>39539068
(Fixed)
>she replies to the reddit thread "can I PLEASE just have some fun. Please."
https://files.catbox.moe/lxuexz.png

>>39535409
>4chan, Twitter, and the political left all despise her
seems pretty based to me

>>39533773
No she isn't, but you have to concede that she's pretty fucking stupid.

>>39539333
More like "her idiotic haters on twitter wrap up their inane bs in left of center rationalizations because hating someone for being "corny" makes you feel like a dick"

>>39539333
That is a lie, all of her fans are woke faggots from r*ddit that hate /vt/ and want “own the chuds” by supporting her.

she's alright
her fanbase is straight trash though

>>39535409
>The left eat their own
don’t pretend she is some red pill because she isn’t woke enough for twittertroons.

>>39533773
She fat.

>>39539655
It's more interpersonal bs than anything. People invent "woke" reasons to cancel literal communists over absolutely nothing but animus

>>39539764
her producer called her out for saying nigger on twitter, and the wokists are tripping over themselves to cancel one of their own. It’s all they know how to do.

>>39539764
It's almost like the left have literally one philosophy, and that's how far they can climb purely off the impetus of victimhood.

>>39539885
Forgot the pic.

>>39539885
>saying nigger on twitter
she didnt do that

>>39539963
My brain feels polluted just reading this.

>>39539756
kiara fat shamed her recently and rightfully so.

>>39533971
imma fix her
*unzip pants

>>39533773
She abandoned kiara and that's enough for me to hate her

>>39540162
IRyS said Double Chinigami eats her food like Kirby.
>>39540030
You literally replied right after it was posted, retard.

>>39540712
>Double Chinigami
Damn. Like... damn.

>>39539505
lmao, I don't want to "own the chuds" I just think it's hilarious to watch lonely mentally ill men contemplate suicide over streamers that very obviously all hate their fans.

>>39540712
>after it was posted
like i said
She. Didnt. Do. That

>>39540793
The screenshot of it you fucking moron.

>>39540712
>Double Chinigami
kek

>>39540845
It got deleted. Must not have been Mori.

>>39533773
>Only reason HoloEN blew up with Normies

Outside of Gura’s pedos that stalk her RM since HER, most of the other girls would have been 3views without Mori’s song blowing up the algo.

She’s basically the Coco of EN, a super controversial algobender.

>>39540712
>Double Chinigami

>>39540793
You are retarded. A producer on her latest album called her out on twitter for it, and posted the image in this post.
>>39539963

>>39533773
>I dont know her, so i think she is good person.

>>39540845
>>39540949
not mori lmao

>>39541019
That's unironically a very rational assumption. Most people are good after all

>>39541029
@umru_ privated their twitter because delusional faggots like you can’t cope.

>>39541029
Her is Mori’s producer addressing you faggots.

>>39541134
I saw the screenshot. It wasn't mori

>>39541134
Umru privated his account because he firmly planted his foot in his mouth.

What has been her best content in the past month?

>>39539333
>get woke or get gone!
kek

Japanese Mori is good
Westoid Mori is bad
Simple as

>>39541890
Her persona 5 streams have been wonderfully unhinged. Last week she nonconsensually groped the principal of the school and I'm not even exaggerating.

The list goes on…
https://twitter.com/mutantsmixtape/status/1603992508576301056

>>39539068
>>39538351
How did she even get the job? Out of all of the other candidates she was chosen, were they really that desperate for a streamer or did they not give a shit about who they got because the holo-brand can make anyone famous.

>>39540604
You can stop LARPing as KFP now.

>>39542302
wtf I love Mori Calliope now?!

>>39541172
Essentially, Deadbeats are the /pol/ of /vt/.
That... actually makes a lot of sense now.

>>39542326
She's the second most successful member of HoloEN and makes money hand over fist for Cover. Why do you think she was a bad choice other than "She makes me angy".

>>39542748
You're right but the thread is about to get way dumber now

>>39541134
He privated his account because if he didn't, he'd get the pants sued off him.

>>39542326
she's a musician with years of stage experience and animated yt vids with tens of millions of views, and she lives in japan

outside of gura she was probably the easiest choice of the whole bunch

>>39542748
>has the most dead subs cope
>>39542911
You can’t be sued for stating your opinion about a verifiable fact especially since they posted the screenshot, you should look up the definition of “slander”.

>>39543044
>Playboard

Mori killed my dog and raped my wife

>>39543096
CCV is easily verified.
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/calliope
Her average is shit.

>>39543128
But she doesn't sing country???

>>39543180
>Country Roads

>>39538351
>>39539068
Wow... I'm not sure what's more impressive - this post's contents or that someone really is this meticulous in keeping track.

>>39543044
>>39543044
NTA but if he did breech an nda then yeah, he's fucked. Libel laws can also apply in some countries and US states. I doubt Cover corp will bother though, the person who's complaining hardly has any breech and this guy will probably be blacklisted from UMJ.

>>39542748
She makes less than an a sales rep.

>Mori’s monthly SC average is $10,913
>$10,913 x 12 = $130,956
>$130,956 x .35 = $45,834 a year
>$3,819.50 a month
>$954.87 a week

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/jobs-that-pay-50k-without-a-degree

>>39543290
>keeping a running list in the age of computers is hard
Holy fuck the future is fucked.

Imagine listening to this shit.
https://youtu.be/bneB9bUkCxg

>>39543044
>subs
>CCV
Kids, don't let /#/ rot your brain. How about some relevant metrics?

>>39543468
Why is Conner so mean, I thought they were friends?
Stop promoting your own vids here, faggot.

>>39543468
This dude looks like he lives in the 2nd grade.
>open vid
>I HATE THE ALBUM ART!
>pause
>scroll down
>comments all supporting Mori
>close vid

>>39543468
don't like her music but this guy looks like a bug. tough choice...

>>39543382
Holy shit, by these metrics I make significantly more money than Goob!

>>39543561
You should learn how to interpret data, bragging about a sub count that doesn’t translate to CCV = dead subs.

>>39543651
Probably, although Gura has way more subs than Mori so you definitely make more than Mori.

>>39540712
>Double Chinigami
Kek, even as a Deadbeat, this is always pretty funny.

>>39543468
Didn’t this guy have a mental breakdown on camera after smoking weed?

>>39543719
I meant to say “Gura has more members than Mori” not subs.

>>39543468
On any given day, I'm either lukewarm or a mild anti.
But I automatically hate this guy's punchable face. Just because I got issues regarding one person doesn't mean, in fact, I'm jumping on any bandwagons, faggot. kys

>>39543660
Dead subs don't cost you money. This isn't the SAT. Gura has even more dead subs in absolute terms, or about the same ratio. Is Gura a failure too? Or do you just not want to pull out the "Hours watched" metric for some other special reason?

>>39543835
Gura has more subs and triple the CCV. Mori has more dead subs.

>>39543468
Imagine watching this dud

>>39543881
NTA but you can just say you dont understand math

>>39543881
But she still has a lot of dead subs right? More in an absolute sense, even. Which means she is an even bigger failure right? Or at least more of a failure than someone like Kaela who has far fewer dead subs. That is how this works, right?

>>39533773
yeah I would still prefer she beat puppies to death than be as cringe and embarrassing as she is

>>39543835
Since Gura has more than double the subs, she would only need double Mori’s CCV to have the same ratio as her.

>>39543978
Learn how to interpret ratios, see below
>>39544007

>>39544007
>>39544040
No one gives a fuck about dead subs, though. They cost nothing sitting there and don't get in the way of anything.
There are plenty of good angles to shitpost with /#/. This isn't one of them.

>>39543044
Truth is not a defense to defamation in Japan. He's probably been blacklisted from the whole industry there.

>>39544057
They brought up subs, I only mentioned CCV which the only metrics worth noting. Aside from that Gura has more subs, more members, and triple the CCV meaning she is objectively better in every way.

Yes she is.

>>39544112
It isnt

>>39544108
You can’t sue someone for defamation unless they commit slander or libel. Both of which are “lying about you” defamation is when that causes you a financial lose. They did not lie so they cannot sue for defamation. Slander is written lies, libel is spoken lies.
https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/differences-between-defamation-slander-and-libel

>>39544108
Dude's in the US, Japan's joke of a legal system is irrelevant.

>>39544214
Correction: libel is written lies, slander is spoken lies.
I got them reversed

>>39544142
To a YouTuber is certainly is. By the way Mori already got her advance from UMG and only 10 percent of her profits go towards paying it back, she makes nothing until it’s completely paid off. Cover makes more off of her deal than she does.

>>39544218
No Japanese company is going to work with him after this and neither will UMG, in all likelihood.
>>39544214
You do not understand Japanese law. Falsehood is not required there for a successful defamation case, being a bag of dicks with the truth will get you slapped with a lawsuit too.

>>39544443
Honestly doubtful he'd be blackballed, but not out of the question. Trying to apply their retarded damaged honor shit to what any English speaker understands as defamation is at best pretending to be retarded. Doesn't matter, who cares, why bring it up?

>>39544363
damn crazy that you got to read her contract dude. they must really like you

>>39544443
Nothing's going to happen.
He's not important enough to make an action against, nor is Mori important enough to go rabid guarddog on anyone else. It'll be swept under the rug and both sides will cry until the next bandwagon distracts them.

>>39544363
Hours watched nigga. You know it's hours watched and not CCV. You just don't want to pull those numbers out.

>>39542326
>How did she even get the job?
Can't really blame the ones that handles the hiring process back then, they most likely wants someone that does unusual thing (vtuber that does J-rap) for hololive audience
She looks like the most promising myth in early months, not being experienced in streaming and vtuber culture is fine as a holo considering subaru was like that at first but instead of getting gaijin subaru we get...this crap. Feels weird and stupid i used to shill her abit in early myth era

>>39544540
Educate yourself about record deals. They give you an advance and take 90% of profits. She gets 10% which goes back to UMG to pay back the advance, but Cover get 30% of that 10% so she only gets 7% to pay back the advance. Since Cover completely owns the design since she contributed nothing to its creation, they get the majority of the merch sales and the rest goes to cover production costs. UMG also gets a portion of those merch sales since they most likely produce the merch. Starving artist is not a joke, bands sleep in vans on tour for a reason. The only people that make money on a record deal is the label.

>>39544541
Nothing's going to happen legally because he's sitting like a good doggy in the US and shut his stupid yap before someone had to shut it for him.

>>39544881
Fuck mate, you sound hard.

>>39544881
>legality
Literally doesn't matter in a civil dispute.

>>39544823
This is what mathematicians call "proof by intimidation" except it's more like "proof by teal deer."

>>39544823
Mori literally makes less money than a cashier at 7-11 now.

>>39544936
Oh, just shut up. There would be no judges needed for it if the law was irrelevant.

>>39544959
You could just google “how do record deals work” or if you can’t be bothered it’s broken down in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK0rryNgoHU

>>39544823
You know she just bought a house in Tokyo as a foreigner right? This feel like some low level wagie cope that actually he makes way more than a Holo.

>>39544933
I don't care for lying, subhuman Rothenburgs.

For someone completely new to vt, can someone summarize all this Calli x Kiara stuff for me? They broke up, but it's O.K. because it was an act, but Kiara has clips of her breaking down into tears a year later over it, but now they're "O.K." with each other again or something?

>>39545156
You could just format properly

>defaultmori.jpg thread
>gets 100+ replies
Like clockwork. Do you guys ever get tired of talking about her?

>>39545163
That’s probably the advance, and now it’s gone. She still has to pay that back before she makes anything else off the deal. Since it most likely only covered the down payment she still has to pay the rest off using her YouTube earnings, which are now less than $50k a year now.

>>39545207
Kiara is a needy menhera bitch and Mori is a self absorbed insensitive cunt. Mori acts cuntish towards Kiara who takes it way too hard due to her mental weakness. They stop interacting nearly as much, but late one sort of reconnect after realizing they are the only two adults of their generation and the rest are NEET-level social rejects who have never taken responsibility for their lives.

>>39545251
Because memberships and merchandise and her salary from cover dont exist. And also I'm going to forget that Mori's pocketed half a million in superchats since she started vtubing.

>>39545251
So Mori only makes money from Superchats? Literally nothing else? Damn, that sucks. Hololive should consider switching to Twitch, because donations are such a small fraction of a streamer's earnings over there that they are nearly an afterthought.

>>39545207
First off, we call her Mori here, not Calli. Second, I’m not gonna answer your question because I don’t care.

>>39544823
you might be the literal most retarded guy on vt. astonishing

>>39545282
Based explanation if for no other reason that you found a way to insult literally everyone in Myth.

>>39545479
Yeah, I'm a little proud of that myself. And it's not like it's a complete and utter falsehood.

>>39545241
I-i-i-it's not like I secretly like her or something anon. Sh-she really despicable!
>>39545282
Hm. Man, it still seems so...oddly over-the-top.
>>39539068
>>39538351
Maybe I'm too used to my celeb scandals being a lot more overtly violent/NTR/corrupt, but desu this entire list seems really tame considering the hours of content put out.

>>39542988

The overwhelming majority of them came after joining Hololive. Before Hololive, she struggled around 25k followers and definitely didn't have millions of views.

That said, she got the job because EN Gen 1 was experimental and she was a low-mid level talent just like the rest of EN Gen 1.

Not going to name any names, but we had a YouTube Content creator as their flagship person, a streamer, a RL wannabe idol, mori with her art / music as described above, and an artist with a few notable things under her belt.

None of them were the tops of their fields, they were just decent safe mid level bets that were trying to boost themselves and wouldn't be detrimental to Cover as a company if they failed like bigger named people would have been. If they had brought in really big named people and they were flops, people would have immediately blamed the company as "Well they are super talented so clearly it was the companies fault!"

Why they chose Mori though, who knows. I'm sure there were other mid level musicians they could have picked that actually wanted to work in the vtuber community, not a scumbag like Mori who literally admitted she applied as a joke and didn't know a thing about vtubing.

>>39545320
$1,534,778 x .35 = $537,172.30
$537,172.30 divided by 29 month since debut = $18,523.18 a month.
$4,630.79 a week
Which means a majority of that was in 2021 since she makes:
$954.87 a week now.

>>39545522
But anon, all mid level musicians are scumbags.

>>39545535
Dont know why you keep harping on the now thing, but if you're gonna be this anal, bear in mind that your data doesn't include members streams, and she gets a lot of big SCs in members streams, so that's not a small omission.

>>39545667
Why stop there? Musicians in general are pretty annoying unless they are just doing it as a hobby and even then...

>>39543382
1) SC aren't their only income.

2) Where you're pulling that math from? She's made $1,534,778 in superchats since they went live. I'll even give you the extra month from their debut before SC went live and that's 26 months total. That's $59.029.92/mo. Her 35% cut would be $20,660.47/mo, or $247,925.68 a year.

3) She literally said she was in the highest tax brackets in both the US and JP.
US highest tax bracket starts at $539,900.
JP highest tax bracket starts at 18,000,000 yen or $135,577.90.

In other words, she mad at LEAST $539,900 to be in the highest tax bracket.

There's more, but I've already made my point that you're just talking out of your ass.

>>39545522
Mori actually gets shit done, love her or hate her. She puts in the type of hours that companies like to see.

>>39545332
Views pay shit,
1 million views pay $5000.00
395 (million) x $5000 = $1,975,000
$1,975,000 x .35 = $691,250
$23,836.20 a month
$5,959.05 a week
Since the majority of those views were in 2021 that is significantly lower now. Since you are only paid for ad views not live streams views they only make money when people watch VODs which is why superchats are intended to offset that.
https://launchkit.io/youtube-earnings-per-view/

>>39545717
Facts.

>>39545731
He's treating the last couple months ad though they're the only projectable part of Mori's income, and SCs from public streams like they're the only thing Mori makes.

>>39545731
Was, meaning her 2021 earning put her in the highest tax bracket for 2022. Now that her views are shit she will drop back down. You further proved my point that the majority of her earnings were from 2021 and judging by her current average monthly superchats and CCV she makes significantly less now. Can’t ride that lockdown bubble forever.

>>39545801
He's taking the least charitable numbers for her on purpose. If you used the same numbers for the other girls they would all be making peanuts, but I doubt he'll claim that Gura or Ame are making poverty wages.

>>39545913
Yeah were definitely dealing with the densest, most disingenuous numberfag I've seen in a while

>>39545522
You know she was friends with Boogey Voxx and Milky Queen for years, before you even had heard the word vtuber right?

>>39539756
She looks like Shrek

>>39543835

Playboard literally has Mori at 6% average video views per sub and Gura at 12.3% of subs.

In terms of raw numbers, sure, Gura has more people NOT watching, but not based on percentages, which is what actually matters.

>>39545163
Where exactly did her "I bought a house" comment say it was in Tokyo, let alone in Japan again? Hell, when she was complaining about having to pay taxes in both JP and US she was heavily insinuating that she was getting ready to leave JP so she didn't have to pay the double taxes. Buying a house in JP is 100% in direct opposition to that and would mean even MORE in the way of lost income through taxes.

>>39545779
You know there are ads played when you open a stream right? You know YouTube premium revenue is a thing right? You know memberships are a thing right?

>>39545522
>>The overwhelming majority of them came after joining Hololive. Before Hololive, she struggled around 25k followers and definitely didn't have millions of views.
princess had over 20 million views before auditions even opened for holoen and got played on national television in japan. not sure how many mr jewel box had but im sure it was 5 million minimum, probably closer to 10-15, and she had an extremely steady record of content production

you're also an absolute fucking idiot if you think gura was a "low mid tier talent" and not literally the best candidate any vtuber audition has ever had. the easiest pickup in history, absolute viral sensation with an excellent singing voice. its not a coincidence she's the most subbed vtuber on the planet, she is literally a meme savant

sounds like you should never have a job involving evaluating skill or talent in any way, you're clearly very fucking awful at it

>>39546012
This nigger doesn’t even read threads. She literally said she was getting a place closer to Cover’s studios and other Holomem.

>>39545801
Total earnings divided vs Current earning divided.
Total weekly average: $4,630.79
Current weekly average: $954.87
She makes less a week than a quarter of her total weekly average. If it was evenly distributed she would make the same every week, but she already peaked and is now plummeting.

>>39546022
Gura had 1 million subs before Hololive, and was the first to get a million within it.

>>39538351
Based

>>39546042
How though? She literally makes less than the Guatemalan that cleans the toilets in my office?

>>39545913
I compared the total average to the current average to prove that the majority of her earning were in 2021. Those days have long since passed.
>>39546055

This entire digression started because someone correctly pointed out mori made someone a great deal of money, and someone read that as "Mori is rich." No one who did that is allowed to complain about ESLs again

>>39546014
If all the views were from VOD they would make more, but since ads don’t interrupt live streams they are lower than the maximum possible. That’s why every site that counts views offers a range instead of a fixed number. I posted the maximum possible, however it’s definitely less than that. What I posted was the most generous possibility.

>>39533773
She’s one of the few English vtubers who is actually entertaining.

>>39546173
Now use your same methodology for Gura and Ame. Explain how Ame manages to live by herself in Commiefornia? Is she on section 8 housing or something?

Holy shit, I think this numeberfag is more retarded than the one who claimed her sololive lost a shitload of money because they sold TOO many tickets.

>>39546266
Wave your hands harder, I'm sure that'll put your argument on a firmer foundation

>>39546278
even ignoring the list of things in the posts above, this is a blatant lie
she makes far too many flex/fuck da hater songs and its kinda drawn out at this point, it would be nice to have something outside the box every once in a while
her game commentary is so fucking dull, she has two tones of voice which are dull droning talk and screaming, and is mostly just making observations otherwise. shes not even funny

>>39546360
Over/under on it being the same moron?

so this is the power of /#/...

>>39546286
No fuxkign way, that was a lot of math that I don’t feel like repeating. I showed my work so you are more than welcome to apply that method to any streamer. You did bring up something I didn’t account for, her taxes. As you stated she pay Japanese taxes which are much higher so since she is in the highest tax bracket she loses 40% of all earnings pating JP taxes. I will put together some figures for after taxes shortly.

>>39546397
might be a new person since they guy probably necked himself this morning after finding out Mori bought a house in Tokyo.

>>39538351
>>39539068
After reading the list of Yugo yabs from the other day, this all seems like really minor shit honestly.

>>39543767
He literally has a mental breakdown on stream while reviewing Capsule during his binge of Mori's music. Mindbroken by Mori
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qqLCwybKmk&t=3587s

>>39546433
You don't understand. She bought that money with the slave dowry that UMG paid to Cover. She is now in an impossible amount of debt and makes less money than he does, for sure.

>>39546427
Dont bother, there's a madness to your method.

>>39546395
But have you heard the classic sheriff voice?

>>39546500
Wait was that seriously sololive-chama's argument? Lmfao

>>39546427
>A lot of math
>5 steps of arithmetic
This is your brain on Mori hate.

>>39546395
She hasn't made a flex song in ages, and her "fuck the haters" tendency is vastly overstated.

>>39546552
Honestly I don't know. I was just shitposting heavily. I even mistakenly said "Bought that money" instead of "Bought that house".

>>39546427
Earnings after JP tax:
Total weekly average: $4,630.79 x .60 = $2,778.47
Current weekly average: $954.87 x .60 = $572.92
Max Ad view earnings : $691,250 x .60 = $414,750.00

>>39546560
It’s more about getting the info for each streamer and breaking it down to the weekly and total averages.

>>39546622
Please dont do it then.

>>39533773
I'm sure she's a nice girl but god I love antiposting about her. She's this boards lolcow.

>>39546590
She only pays overflow JP taxes after she pays American taxes. She probably doesn't pay any JP income tax because of this. US and JP has a tax credit agreement.

>>39546651
I don’t intend to. If you want to all you need is the total of superchats, current weekly average, and total amount of views. Divide superchats by .35 to account for YouTube taking .30 and Cover taking .35. Then multiply any sum by .60 to account for JP taking .40 for taxes.

>>39546729
There probably are a few brackets where japan has higher taxes than the US and she would have to pay the difference, so probably slightly more than in the US

>>39546736
but anon i thought she was on poverty wages, why is she in japans highest tax bracket??

>>39546736
Correction:
Multiply superchats by .35 to account for YouTube taking .30 and Cover taking .35. Then multiply any sum by .60 to account for JP taking .40 for taxes.

>>39546803
Because she made too much in 2021 and earns less than a quarter of that currently. Taxes are based on the previous years earnings, suffering from success so to speak.

>>39546814
She pays US taxes, not JP ones.

>>39546803
If you pretend like she only makes money from one small, fairly marginal source, she might be in a lower bracket next year.

>>39546843
If it was steady she would be making the total average, now compare that to the current average. That tells how much she made in 2021 compared to now.
>>39546590

shenanigans

>>39546853
That’s not what anon said, they claimed she was specifically in the highest tax bracket in JP according to her. So unless they are lying she loses .40 of her earnings to taxes.

>>39546395
https://youtu.be/RsJY8bli86s
https://youtu.be/e5LaKxJVeVI
https://youtu.be/3bSeOwzgqT8
There you go, 3 songs from the last month that have nothing to do with haters.

Who still cares about connor arc?
She's long since been banned from TT circles, because she went across the Pacific to meet them, and they didn't even say hello to her.
To TT, she is just one of many troublesome fans, and it took her a while to realize it.
Now she is desperately looking for another twitch friends.
Forgive her already.

I don't approve of her childish sensibilities, though.

>>39546853
Not according to this person.
>>39545731

>>39546873
Superchats are literally the only income streamers make. Please help Ame. She is literally starving to death.

>>39547020
>>39546929
Okay but according to her, she pays American taxes and doesn't have to pay JP ones after talking with a real accountant.

>>39546984
She literally went out with gigguk's wife a couple weeks ago.

>>39546984
They used her for a couple months of clout and moved on.

>>39546853
She earned that money in Japan so she pays JP income tax, her family in the US are in the highest tax bracket.

>>39533773
Mori's autistic to the point she doesn't really understand the difference between being a bad person and being a good person. But she tries to be good even though she can't really wrap her head around it. She's a person.

>>39534139
yeah bad to you, they're regular people anon stop being schizophrenic

>>39547026
If she is really struggling financially, she would stream more.
Considering that streamers can make enough money to live on with just 1k CCV, hololive streamers with income from merch must be quite wealthy.

>>39547101
That's not how American citizenship works. America and Japan have a tax agreement.

>>39547158
The highest tax bracket in the US is .37 instead of .40 for JP so it’s only a difference of .03.

>>39547137
Speaking of merch, Gura and Mori's stuff tends to sell out pretty quick. Ina seems to punch above her weight too. It's just Ame and Kiara that don't sell out quickly, though they do eventually. I have no idea what their arrangement is with Cover, but hopefully they are all seeing at least some of that.

Are /vt/ still talking about taxes?
She's long ago admitted that she was mistaken in tax and her lack of knowledge about it.

>>39547210
Earnings after JP tax .40:
Total weekly average: $4,630.79 x .60 = $2,778.47
Current weekly average: $954.87 x .60 = $572.92
Max Ad view earnings : $691,250 x .60 = $414,750.00

Earnings after US tax .37:
Total weekly average: $4,630.79 x .63 = $2,917.39
Current weekly average: $954.87 x .63 = $601.56
Max Ad view earnings : $691,250 x .63 = $435,487.50

>>39547238
They receive a bigger cut from merch profits than they do from youtube.

>>39547238
Pretty much every talent has said they get a better cut from merch and for Birthday/Anniversary merch they get a much much better cut.

>>39547317
And for streamers, not just vtubers, merch make a monstrous amount of money.

>>39538351
Based

>>39547345
The big twitch fleshtubers make all their money from sponsors, subs, and merch. Donations are a negligible amount for most of them. There are exceptions, especially with mid-size female streamers.

>>39547345
Mori is doing very well, but she's said she isn't a millionaire, so unless funding her music is pretty monstrously expensive (which it might be), she probably makes less money than xQc or whatever.

>>39547423
xQc is a weird metric to use, because he has had big gambling sponsorships that offer obscene amounts of money. Someone like MoonMoon (Ame's Oshi) or Jerma might be a better comparison.

>>39547447
True, but the guy made over a million dollars from twitch primes last year, so it's not like there are no apples to apples comparisons there.

>>39547423
That was before UMG. All Cover talents have to pay for their own music production. One of the HUGE benefits Mori got from UMG was she no longer has to pay for her own music production and distribution. Also XqC is a terrible person to compare to. The dude probally makes more money than the entire JP branch.

>>39547423
xQc has a solid claim to being the biggest English speaking streamer how would that be in any way strange if he made more?

>>39547317
The higher the CCV average the more memberships. It’s less than CCV but if you proportional to the audience. The merch sales all go to the streamer after production cost because they pay in advance out of the preorders. Except for Mori’s UMG merch which goes to Cover because it’s their IP on the merch, she most likely makes nothing from that. She is just advertising their character. UMG album sales are split 90/10 with .35 of Mori’s 10 going to Cover and the rest towards paying back the advance.

>>39541968
You know she's criticizing the woke culture in that song, right?

>>39547476
Yeah, actually if you take away the sponsorships and just look at subs(twitch) vs memberships(youtube) I can see what you are getting at. He's still in a league above anyone in Hololive, sadly.

>>39547491
You literally pulled every single one of those numbers right out of your ass.

>>39547491
Every single thing you’re saying is pulled out your ass, incredible.

>>39547487
Just picked him randomly. It's not weird for him to make more than her.

>my numbers > your numbers
How is this proving whether or not Mori's a shitty person again?

>>39547491
Believe it or not, Mori's cut of the UMG merch is pegged to how well the NY Mets are doing after the first half of the financial 3rd quarter of the year. I don't need to provide evidence, similar to you. Want some? Educate yourself, teehee.

>>39547514
Look up record deals, it 90/10 and Mori has an agreement with Cover so they get half of her earning after YouTube takes .30. It could be half of her 10 since she already has a contract with Cover. Saying Cover gets .35 is being generous. UMG pays all the production and keep the majority of the money, that is the benefit of a record deal, to offset production costs. In turn they get .90, and the advance is and advance based on projected earnings, it’s basically a loan. You get that money upfront, they get paid back with your .10 of the sales.

>>39547635
>>39547514
>>39547519

>>39547635
Once that’s advance is paid back you continue to make .10 of all sales in perpetuity.

>>39547680
Considering they ran out of stock and had to do a quick repress of the album, she probally made FAR more than enough if that's the case.

>>39547608
This throws everything I ever believed into question.

>>39547635
googling "record deals" and assuming they are some type of universal construct or constant in any way because i have an enormous fucking brain and live in the real ass world

>>39547647
If you still don’t understand record deals after watching the video here, just google it and see for yourself. We know Cover makes money because she is using their character, they get half of whatever see makes on YouTube so why wouldn’t they have the same deal with UMG?
>>39545156

>>39547774
We don't know that it's half.

>>39547774
Because the only thing they take 50% of is youtube related stuff, they take far less on literally everything else based on teh words of the talents themselves.

>>39547774
the heckin youtube viderino aimed at bottom of the food chain artists signing to nobody labels to press 400 cds for them is the exact same as what someone who sells tens of thousands of copies gets!!! those are just the facts!!!

>>39547774
>WATCH THIS YOUTUBE VIDEO, IT PROVES I MAKE MORE MONEY THAN MORI
lol, lmao even.

>>39538351
I was always wondering, the way she acted during the dragon reddit review, could it be that she probably found out then that Coco was planning to graduate soon?
The collab happened on May 23, Coco announced her graduation officially on June 9. Seems close enough to be plausible.

>>39547862
Seems like they became friends afterwards anyways. They went on a fishing trip a couple weeks ago.

>>39547805
I said .35 but it could very well be half of her .10. The label always makes the most from a record deal. She just wanted to be able to say she was singed to a record label, she basically fucked her self for bragging rights.

>>39547862
Mori had also been awake for as many as 72 and at least 36 hours during that collab.

>>39547922
I see, that makes more sense then.

>>39547806
For merch sales the streamer get 100 because they pay the production costs using the preorder, according to the streamers. So whatever is left after production they get to keep. That’s they only thing that goes mostly to the streamer, all YouTube related earring are split between YouTube and Cover. YouTube gets .30, Cover gets .35 and the streamer gets .35.

>>39547823
You don’t get signed unless you make sales, if you think they sign brand new bands you are dreaming. Haven’t you even followed and indie artist and seem them get sign to a major label before? How did you know who they were? They were already touring and had multiple albums out before the ever got signed. They only sign safe bets, scrubs that think their shitty band will get plucked from obscurity want to think they sign nobodies.

>>39548054
So Mori is a safe bet that makes 0 money. Amazing.

>>39547846
You know less than a video, what does that say about you? If you already understood how a record deal worked I wouldn’t need to dumb it down for you.

>>39546241
Just reminding people of this factoid.

>>39548104
She made money for Cover, not before. She made shit before them. Cover is the most valuable part of that deal, she is nothing without them and she knows it. No one wants to see her, they want the character and Hololive’s audience. She made it as far as she could looking the way she does.

>>39548108
you knew more about record deals than before you watched this video, if that is what your current understanding is based on

>>39535057
Rape le bad

>>39540030
>>39540793
>>39541029
>>39541224
>its a different character guys XFDDd
Kill yourself right now

>>39533971
What did she do?

>>39535409
This is a stupid fucking take because EVERY demographic hates her.
God knows what demographic she'll piss off next because her life goal seems to be to make as many enemies as possible.

Her content is godawful and her attitude is insufferable.

>>39550454
>Every
Anon, it's time to face reality that you're part of a minority; just a very vocal one.

Every neutral party does not want to be associated with your stupidity. If the producer was part of an overwhelming majority, he wouldn't have needed to private his account like the bitch he was.

5ch wouldn't have laughed you out because of "Hello, I'm from 4chan"

>>39550723
Yeah, outside of that minority of haters, people of most ideologies, creeds, tribes, and subcultures didn't give a shit.

>>39538351
>>39539068
y a quien mierda le importa gordo bolsa de semen coagulado argentina campeon

>>39539068
Only thing I really take issue with here is the Connor guy.

>>39547026
lmao no way

>>39533773
I love the Mori

>>39551553
You just couldn't let your shitty thread die didn't you?

>>39533773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSO-FNCQ7wQ

>>39550723
>>39550875
You know what's funnier?

They worship this guy from youtube called Brad taste in music, all because he would shit on Mori's music.

He tried the same stunt with IRyS, but deleted the video because he got a negative response.

Goes to show that they ironically support a clout-chaser who made their views a meal ticket.

>>39533773
Not many vtubers are, she's just really fucking cringe

>>39551694
that guys entire channel is based on reacting to her music, it is really pathetic. a genuine leech, and not in the vt sense of the word

>>39548817
To be fair, she didn't say nigger, she said nigga. Not like it matters to twitterfags.

>>39552797
It actually does matter to some people. It's the difference between a dumbass white kid and an actual piece of shit.

>>39552954
Imagine letting a single word influence every aspect of your society
lmaoing at burgers

>>39546975
rather not listen to a woman rap

>>39547570
she got the lowest number so bad person you spek

>>39553546
Someone said "she wasn't a waste of space, she made Cover a good bit of money" and I don't need to tell you what happened next.

>>39553468
>Zuttomayo
>rap

>Also most of Sinderella
>rap
shows how irrational your hatred is.

There's an old saying: don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Antagonizing your fans qualifies I believe.

She obviously wasn't ready to be a vtuber, I think Cover is to blame here. They should have made sure that their hire knows her fanbase and understands how to communicate with them.

In regular job she would have been fired but due to nature of her job and the controversy and her being foreigner Cover couldn't do that due to fear of backlash.

>>39554301
You literally are making stuff up based on your bias. You have to talk to your psychiatrist.

>>39554775
You obviously refuse to face reality due to your bias. You have to talk to your psychiatrist.

>>39555799
>shows no proof
>reality.

>>39555870
Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence.

For this level of obviousness, just pointing and laughing suffices.

>>39554775
>>39555870
Consider ignoring the faggot. He's just a dopamine-chaser who would disagree with you because he holds no real ideals. Just the ideal of "getting under the deadbeat's skin"

These people have no honor and would never argue seriously.

>>39538351
>constantly talks to her collab partners like they're mentally challenged children
This is the only thing that bothers me about her. She puts on this fake soft voice that just forces you to roll your eyes.

>>39556127
>She puts on this fake soft voice that just forces you to roll your eyes.
this is her actual voice though.

There sure is a lot of cope in this thread.

>>39533773
No : )

>>39550396
Shes' half demon

>>39556127
With the JPs it makes her English easy to understand.

>>39537993
>>39539655
Imagine coping so hard about someone you have such silly reasons to hate that you find yourselves on the same side as twitter troons. Seriously asking, as a right winger, what reason do I have to hate Mori?

No she isn't. It's her music and entertainment value as a streamer that's bad.

>>39557412
See
>>39538351
>>39539068

>>39557521
This is a parody, right?

>>39557860
I mean, this guy has been trying to make this copypasta happen, and it hasn't caught on. So parody, it is.

>>39557521
These really didn't answer the question, they are all subjective reasons, not concrete, and certainly not political.

>>39546441
>the list of Yugo yabs
Post it. Must be awful that (s)he graduated without any honors.

>>39540712
>IRyS said Double Chinigami eats her food like Kirby.
I love that dumb nephilim so much it's unreal

>>39557860
>>39557916
>>39558377
>I'm totally a right winger!
Cope, seethe, dilate

>>39558687
Technically I am a NatSoc but according to libshits that places me in the right wing category. Now are you going to give me a non-petty reason or are you just going to seethe silently?

>>39558876
Uh huh, I totally believe you bro. After all natsoc people love shitty rap and people who support LGBT shit

>>39545207
>completely new to vt
>Calli
You didn't need to point it out because we can tell. Lurk moar for a thousand years.

>>39559023
You see, this is where you got it wrong: I never said I liked Mori's music. I said I see no reason to dislike her (the person) as much as people on this board say I should. If you want to get into an ideological orthodoxy stand off, I would be more than happy to oblige, but I fear it wouldn't go well for you. Now, can you give me concrete reasons?

>>39538351
>>39539068
>using the same old copypasta full of disingenuous bullshit
I will hence reiterate my opinion that Mori antis are retarded subhumans who deserve to be culled.

Everyone on this thread should kill themselves, including me.

>>39537607
>As a Tempus fan

Gtfo faggot

>>39559308
Agreed.

>>39559308
But Ina, you are already dead

>>39559188
Nigger, her being a bad person has nothing to do with which political stance you take. She's a compulsive liar, fake as fuck, and narcissistic. If you can't see how that makes her a bad person then you're probably one too.

>>39559308
Agreed, you go first

>>39559590
And you have no proof of any of those things happening. Everything you've said has been playing off your personal bias against her.

>>39559699
Wrong, cuckbeat

>>39559737
>fails to deliver proof
>calls neutrals who don't believe him by default "the enemy"
this is hilarious.

>>39559846
>doesn't watch streams
>doesn't even follow them on Twitter
>you're wrong and need to prove your claim
Go fuck yourself you disingenuous prick

>>39538351
You forgot one of the most hillarious and cringe inducing moments (can't find the clip on my bookmarks but someone posted it here)
At the end of the "Don't starve" collab with Irys and Bae they both are like "I like it, OMG it's my first time playing and was so fun" then Bae says something like "We should do this again", Irys says yes and then Mori goes fucking
>Yeah! We should invite Ironmouse next time! :D
The fucking 2 second dead silent of the other two and the fact that they kinda ignored her and continue with the "Yeah I liked it, didn't look like that game was this fun" and shit like that was hysterical

>>39560144
>Just listen to me, Everything I say is the truth
The disingenuous one is staring at you in the mirror, anon.

Every single thing in your list can be refuted by watching any stream and anecdotal evidence from Neutral parties.

>>39560480
>doesn't know that IRyS, already met Milky
>doesn't know that Bae is a consistent guest in IM's streams.

>cuckbeat larping as a neutral party is a redditor
Shocking...

>>39539068
>guy from TT, Connor, says on Ironmouse's stream that people in hololive are popular not because of their talent but because of the brand
Weeeell...
I mean I loath that faggot as much as everyone else but that's not all that wrong specially for, again, someone like Calli which would be fucking starving by now if she havent applied to Holo

>>39560587
>everyone that doesn't agree with me is a LARPer.

Holy cow you really don't see through your own shit, do you?

>>39560656
Anon, You're not mad at Calli, you're mad at the world for not giving you her chances. This explains the massive projection issues you have.

I refuse to understand what is happening anymore.

>>39560551
How does that change how fucking awkward and weird that interaction was faggot?

>>39560854
because you are thinking that they don't care, but actually, they did and even appeared with the people you think are Taboo.

Just reading this thread, you would assume that someone like Ina doesn't care about Mori, but here we are.

>>39560551
Yeah but that's not the point, faggot, it's how akward and out of nowhere Mori commented that.
It's like bringing your friend to a reunion with your other group of friends without letting them know earlier

>>39561380
She's not being disingenuous/malicious, she's being awkward, there's a ton of difference.

But because you do not have a lick of friends and prefer your mother's basement, I doubt you know the difference.

>>39533773
I liked her better when she still had that "struggling artist" vibe. I wish her all the best, but I have no interest in her music career she so desperately clings onto.

She can't even wear a santa hat right...

>>39561011
I'm not even the same guy fucktard