/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

anon, they are women, stop before you blow a gasket

It's okay, they barely qualify as sentient beings. It's like feeling bad for plants or something.

>>39258760
I'm not parasocial and I enjoy the streams for the content. Thanks for funding my free entertainment bros.

>>39258760
None of the women do this. The closest is elira and she called chat "like.. my best friends!"

>>39259168
yes you are, no you don’t, you are just as parasocial as anyone else but you’re a liar too which is pathetic.

>>39258760
>If

>>39258760
>flip
that's your problem

>>39258760
These women have zero respect for men. They feel nothing exploiting them like this.

>>39259034
Anon, don’t bring this here. As someone with a sense of empathy (probably better than yours), I don’t like any streamer acting like a hypocrite towards their viewers. Ame is another bad example

>>39259230
Ok dude lol

>>39259272
Completely unlike the fine gentlemen of /vt/ of course

>>39258760
>t.Holonigga that'll go apeshit if their oshi just TALKS to a guy.

>>39258760
we nijichads are proud cucks

>>39258760
Do you not notice the "if"?

>>39258760
>openly admits they dont want parasocial freaks
yet here you are seething, not every vtuber wants lonely, mentally ill "men" as their audience
>blows kisses
meant as a tease
>i love yous doesnt always translate into romance
you would know this if your parents loved you
>complains about merch
this is clearly a business venture for the company, they sell the ring because they know luxiem's audience will eat it up

afaik, only vox flipflopped on the parasocial shit

>>39259794
Nice self own sis

>>39259794
stop embarrassing yourself nijisis

>>39259794
>only vox
finana
also good job proving everyone right

>>39258760
It’s not enough for holobabbys to cry about their own streamers acknowledging that men exist, they have to cry about other companies they don’t even watch

30+ livers in this branch and you all think everyone is vox and finana for some godforsaken reason

>>39260392
Try reading the whole OP before responding next time instead of trying to dissect it line by line like sped.

>>39259230
Since you're so good at mind reading, what number am I thinking of?

>>39261200
I once had a roommate in college who couldn’t read paragraphs and had to go through sentences word by word slowly and piece that shit together like he was solving a 1000 piece puzzle. He wasn’t necessarily stupid academically, but he was socially retarded. some spastics just need to run these forums through TTS so they can get up to speed properly.

>>39259794
i'd delete this post if i were you

>>39258760
I watched the clip and it was pretty cool. I won't be subbing to you though, faggot.

>>39258760
The funniest part of this is when Millie kept on trying to be ultra specific and redo the poll to get a lower percent of parasocial fans, but it still ended up as 30% and she stopped joking about it.

I think she just got educated, she probably believed she was parasocial poison when her manager told her she needed to appeal to her dedicated fans more, she probably denied she had too many.
This right here basically forced her to recognize that most of her money is coming from said parasocial fans, and all the gray names from twitter that aren't parasocial are worth 0

>>39261998
I mean, what did she expect when she literally kisses her superchatters during ASMR? Nekoyo Chloe is my ASMR oshi, and she actively refuses to do kisses, for a very good reason.

>>39259230
everyone must be as miserable as you huh

>>39258760
You see the brainrot among streamers is that they don't realize streaming in front of hundreds or thousands of people itself is a parasocial act. It's a shame that they can't even comprehend this. But social media basically drilled the parasocial = romantic relationship into their brains so it's to be expected.

>>39261998
How some of these girls gonna act cute af and not expect some people to get parasocial with em when they play into it? Acting some of the part, but then telling your viewers you don’t want that kind of streamer-viewer interaction/relationship doesn’t matter if they don’t act accordingly.

>>39262162
Part of the onboarding process for these corporations is to teach talents how to cultivate a following of dedicated fans.
The managers exist as a way to help the talents retain the gachikoi that they get.

I remember seeing a whole documentary on this with a company from china who showed how they groomed this wannabe musician girl into a irl GFE vlogger that appealed to high cash flow fans.

A lot of the talents for these companies don't really like this quid pro quo with parasocial fans and instead want to chase their "creative dreams," which is why for girls like Millie, it depresses them that despite her directly trying to take advantage of parasocial fans, those still are the fans that keep her afloat money wise

I genuinely don't believe anyone's oshi is Millie. I'd have an easier time believing Nina being someone's oshi.

>>39261998
>>39259794
Women who think they have any appeal beyond being a parasocial avatar should drop their ego or stop being vtubers, it's not for them.
Parasocial relationships are why vtubers exist and that they are so popular. To deny this is to deny the reality of their situation.

>>39262768
N-no bro, I watch them for the plot dude… They’re totally just entertaining, I don’t think they’re cute at all dude! I swear! Heh, incel chuds think everything is sexual or parasocial, unlike me. I’m just retarded.

straight men go to hololive.
Niji and vshojo is for women, tranny and cucks.

the evidence that most of them DO court parasocial fans is that most of them have bfs/gfs and dont bring it up. If they didn't care they would just be honest.

Millie is legitimately the only woman who would actually be a virgin in this fucking branch.
>but muh Enna!
Only aloucucks legitimately believe this.

>>39262911
Heh, says you, Unichudcel. I for one LOVE hearing about their significant others, I just don’t ask because I TOTALLY respect their privacy and HATE hearing about how my oshi is doing. I’m totally just here for the pure talent and entertainment that these chuubas bring me. There’s totally NOTHING separating fleshtubers and vtubers to me. I swear.

>>39263034
>I’m totally just here for the pure talent and entertainment that these chuubas bring me.
Oh please. If they had talent then they wouldn't be pandering to ronery people and wouldn't be hiding behind an anime avatar. No. They pander to the anime crowd, who are mostly full of lonely losers. Why is this so hard to understand?
Jesus Christ. You normalfags are utter cancer. You LITERALLY contribute zero to vtubing industry as a whole. You bring your shitty cancerous beliefs into this hobby.
Just go back to twitch and watch your ethots.

All GFEtubers are like this. Even if they do give you the time of day, they are never going to love you back, this is the truth of the matter.

>>39259209
That one is genuinely not true. Millie leaned heavy into GFE during the early days of Ethyria, but then the male wave was announced and she dropped that like a sack of bricks and made "jokes" about how she wants to fuck the male talent.
Then she also developed romantic feelings for Fulgur.

>>39263170
Heh, wow dude, sounds like someone’s just mad because I’m TOTALLY better than you and find WAY more entertainment out of my chuuba streams than you xD. Anyway, I’m gonna go jerk off (and maybe even cry a lil bit) to the thought of Nyanner’s getting railed by Lord Afghanistan. Cya l8r, incel chud.

>>39263268
You are an example to us all Anon. I salute you

>>39259794
You would have been better off just lying

>>39260392
If finana is supposed to be the female equivalent of vox then she fucking sucks at it

>>39258760
>Their livers treat “parasocial” like the fucking N-word
Normie?

>>39263268
You can comeback after you done crying, faggot.

>>39264001
Heh, jokes on you. I didn’t even cry this time. Anyway. Stay seething. My superior taste and ascended morality will always trump your Unichudcel behavior. I only watch Vtubers for their great entertainment, phenomenal talent, and their uplifting personalities. Just because you can’t doesn’t mean I’m a faggot. Also yes I do watch men, and btw vtuber men are just as good and funny as chuubas. Magni and Altare are way more entertaining and talented than Jerma, Noethernlion, and Ludwig combined. Heh, you just wouldn’t get it.

Simply stop watching them. They WILL lose money and they WILL lose relevancy.

>>39262768
>>39262768
>Women who think they have any appeal beyond-
This applies to real life too. Why do women pretend they have anything to offer aside from the basics?

>>39264187
I'm better than you. Every fiber of my superior being rejects your lowborn existence. I am vtubing fan itself, the evergrowing singularity, the fan of all fan, the viewer god—you can say. Nobody here is on my level, nobody will. That's just how much of a better fan I am. Any chuuba would kill to have me as their fan, and that responsiblity I accept. Have fun with your low class chuubas, while I enjoy being the superior lifeform. I almost forgot, Kneel before me you pathethic worm.

Meanwhile, in another SEA chuuba channel

>>39264605
Heh, wow, looks like somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Being a fan isn’t a competition (but if it was I’d be winning btw) I bet you get mad when a man and a woman show up on the same screen. Unlike me, I love sex and normal relationships because I’m not a chudcelcorn, and talking with and having sex with the opposite sex is a normal part of life. You wouldn’t get it. Heh.

>>39258760
The ring merch is something I’ll never understand. You shame and shun the parasocial side of your viewers but you release merch that only feeds into their delusions?

>>39262873
If by straight “men” you mean SEA, then yes

>>39262162
You know that’s a guy right?

>>39264837
I feel like this is a thread full of a load of people that don't even watch the vtubers in question making up fantasies about what they are or aren't. I don't think any of the Luxiem males has really been strongly discouraging parasocial fans. I guess Vox was for all of about 5 minutes before he walked it back and went back to telling chat they were his girlfriend or whatever. The majority of them male or female never even speak about the topic let alone come out with strong feelings against those kinds of fans watching them.

>>39264837
We’re supposed to pretend that it’s not the same. Most of luxiem panders to lonely women in the same way a lot of Hologirls pander to lonely men. Much of Vtubing preys on and markets itself to the lonely. Only the intentionally obtuse or the mentally retarded pretend otherwise.

>>39265023
And he’s clearly a fag, so he shouldn’t care about giving out kisses if he wanted the GFE crowd, but he clearly doesn’t

because anyone sane doesn't seriously think a random internet streamer has personal feelings for you, a person they've never met nor have a connection to. learn to separate the separate the fantasy from reality or you'll end up miserable regardless of how well your chuuba puts up the act. talk to a real human 1 on 1 if you want a relationship, it's not hard

>>39264461
The difference is irl women can only extract resources from one man at a time or maybe a handful of she gets around.
VTubers don't really exist, they're virtual characters. Sure you the person behind the avatar may have boyfriends ect, but the character shouldn't. And you shouldn't do a face reveal either or show your face.
It's not about you, you're performing a character, if that's not what you want maybe you should just be a regular streamer and not a vtuber.
But you want to cash in. You want to profit off the craze. But the craze is fuled by a parasocial bond with a digital character, that's why people give you money.

>>39258760
>No one can enjoy a streamer for the content, everything must be parasocial

>>39265328
There's no established rules to what a vtuber is, and people do it for various reasons (self conscious, like the look, let's them be more expressive, etc). It's crazy you're trying to moral police when you want all vtubers to pander to parasocial weirdos for their money

>>39259794
>not every vtuber wants lonely, mentally ill "men" as their audience
Bro who the fuck do you think is paypigging for anime girl avatars to begin with?

>>39265766
I can’t imagine there are very many paypigs out there who are watching their chuuba solely because they are entertaining and for no other parasocial reason.

>Another brony bait thread
Hopefully as you get older you'll understand why these threads never get the reactions you want.

>>39262487
It's the same type of girls who act like that around their guy friends IRL and are oblivious to the fact that they're just beta orbiters trying to fuck them.

Imagine getting emotionally invested in fucking Millie of all people. Have a little class.

Just play ffxiv if you want an online girlfriend that loves you back.

>Bronies seething at a woman that talks to a man that isnt them.
God you people are pathetic. You're such a pathetic shut-in that you cant fathom that men and women can be friends, ontop of that you want all vtubing content to the be the safe, stale boring trash Hololive vomits out.
Oh but the girls pretending to be dykes, thats fine right? Its just icky men that make you cry.

Ame was right, improve yourselves.

>>39266452
I guess if you never meet irl, you never have to face the penis

>>39266597
>have to put disclaimer to pre-emtively avoid called out and cancelled
I fucking hate americans and their stupid gender wars.

If you're watching streamers purely for content, let alone female vtubers, your taste is so bad that I just refuse to believe it. It's cope to convince yourself that you're a normal healthy person by reddit standards even though you spend hours watching random cartoon girls play shitty games poorly. Watching streams is always a substitute for real social interaction.

>>39266597
a nijisister hands wrote this

>>39266794
I’d rather admit to being a lonely man than copepost and say I watch Vtubers for the plot. Ain’t no one actually watching these people for their skills and talents lmao.

>>39265618
Pandering to parasocial weirdos for money is the job description. All streamers rely on parasocial relationships with their audience to make their income. When you present yourself as a cute and innocent anime girl, it attracts a certain type of parasocial relationship.
But all of this is by choice. You don't have to be a streamer at all, you can go get a real job like the rest of us.
But if you're going to prance around in the skin of a cute anime girl, you can't call the people who give you money for doing it creepy weirdos and still expect them to pay you

>>39266653
I literally lost my virginity through it, it's not that hard to VC and facetime before you meet.

>>39266794
So you're watching cartoon women to pretend they're your girlfriends and I'm the mentally ill?

>>39266794
Explain to me how other streamers are anymore entertaining. I watch people who are entertaining/passionate, idgaf if they're good at the games.

>>39267206
I watch a lot of them because they’re cute and are nice to have on a second stream when I’m working or playing games. I don’t find anime men cute so I inherently dislike male collabs, drop in collabs, or fag participation on stream, and so I will never watch male vtubers in any capacity. I also don’t care if that’s mental illness or parasocial. That’s just the way it is.

>>39267206
He admits he's mentally ill, or at the ver least not well adjusted. You watch the same streams he does and pretend you're the sane one.
It's like one of the reddit guys falling asleep alone, because their in an open relationship and their SO is out getting railed, and they fall asleep telling themselves "At least I'm not an incel like those chuds"

>>39262641
Never underestimate how low the bar is for yellow fever fags.

>>39259490
I don’t exploit loners for money with romantic implications and merch and then act like they’re p*rasocial retards for even believing for a second that there could even be a hint of GFE

>>39262162
>a fucking babi
>literally a man using a female avatar for sex appeal
I don't think you can use a babi as an example of how to avoid being parasocial.

>>39259209
Millie is the most GFE in Ethyria but she still acts like chat is strange for playing into it. But she's also not the type to go full coomer in member's content. She's the same level of parasocial for grays too.

Are you fucking actually retarded or are you pretending that Millie dwells in the same pandering as Luxiem?

>>39265389
This but unironically

>>39258760
>n-word
you mean nigger?

>>39262522
Enna is quite double minded here. Sounds like she was definitely coached into being GFE but regrets it now because Twitter judges them for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIrrlZjH1Xs

>>39262641
>>39267589
She has strong childhood friend energy and is interesting to listen to even in long streams. Her zatsu ability is almost Pomu level. There are way worse nijiens to oshi like Reimu or Aia.

>>39267557
It's a waste of time to discuss with you fags, you're simply unable to comprehend that it's not normal to think that the entertainers you watch are your SO

>>39268969
I don’t think any of the girls I watch are my girlfriend, I don’t think I’ll ever date them, meet them, fuck them etc. but I also don’t want male collabs or male interaction on stream. It’s that simple, faggot. You think everyone here actually thinks that they have a chance or are in a relationship with their favorite streamer? Retard. I watch Linus for mother fucking tech tips, I watch MoonMoon because he’s a bald boomer, and I watch these anime women because they’re cute. Cope, faggot.

>>39269133
>You think everyone here actually thinks that they have a chance or are in a relationship with their favorite streamer?
It sure sounds like they do if every time they get close to a male they start to chimp out and call everyone who's not doing the same a cuck

>>39266452
Only if you’re good at the game

>>39268246
Thank you, anon. I didn't know what he was trying to refer to. Personally, I love saying nigger, so I think these girls at the least don't mind saying parasocial.

>>39269294
for all we know, he could have meant noose or noisy or something...
i just wanted to be sure

>>39266597
>Bronies seething at a woman that talks to a man that isnt them.
That's what anyone who isn't an emasculated cuckold would do.

>Oh but the girls pretending to be dykes, thats fine right?
Lesbianism isn't real and doesn't leave you cucked.

>>39266452
I play ff14 and no females ever talked to me, eventually I dropped my sub, you liar.

anyone who watches the same streamer more than once is parasocial

>>39269394
Join an FC and be social, make friends and voice chat. If you're quiet and devoid of any personality work on yourself before you try getting into a relationship. A lot of women play men and aren't going to announce to you they're girls.

>>39269285
Never raided once in my life but alright

I dont like the term "parasocial" because it's so equivocal between "has insane beliefs and desires about anime girls" to "emotionally invested in someone who doesnt know them." Sometimes people themselves cant keep the different meanings straight. The word explains very little at this point.

>>39269690
This nigga straight lyin

>>39268969
Of course it's not normal. We adjusted people don't watch streams of cute anime girls playing games for hours on a Friday night.
And they don't actually believe they are in a relationship with the vtuber, they know it's an illusion and that it's one way. They're trying to fill a void. The waifu has been a surrogate for that long before vtubers became a thing.
But if you're going to profit off of the growing number of lonely isolated men in a decaying society, at least have the courtesy to not shame them for paying your rent

>>39266597
God you people are pathetic. You're such a pathetic shut-in that you can't fathom that some people are watching some entertainment in some way, on top of that you want vtubing content to be friend simulators and pretending you're not parasociol because you are happy, for another person you don't know SHIT about, is getting laid and if she's not getting laid you try to pair her with the nearest male making both uncomfortable while giggling like highschool girls.
Oh but people like (You) believe that women normally talk about their periods and sex life with their male friends, just another sign you're so fucking starved of female attention and don't even have a single female friend.

You are proof that Men are not Men anymore, just a bunch of sissies, grow a pair faggot.

I thought about this the other day..
Every relationship (you) have with a celebrity is parasocial.
>celebrity|----|celebrity's image|------------|community|----|(you)
You're not talking to the actual person but to the image they want to project.
They're not talking to you but to the community.
Relationships involving VTubers are very parasocial by nature because the image they project is very far from their actual selves. You don't even know their name nor what they look like.
Also, the bigger the community gets, the less significant your presence actually is and the relationship between you and the celebrity becomes more "para".
I think it can be pretty fun to decompose the relationship in smaller parts :
>(celebrity; celebrity's image)
>(celebrity; community)
>((you), celebrity's image)
>((you), community)
Why am i such an ESL autist

>>39269812
>two people in a massively popular mmo couldn't possibly get together
Sounds like you just don't want to put the effort in anon

>>39270366
>I have to pay a sub
>It’s basically a fucking dating app
>More males than females, essentially competing with other males for limited female attention
>Don’t get female
>Waste my money
Kys I might as well hire a hooker

>>39270188
Don't worry. It made sense to me.

>>39266111
You just gave them the reaction they want, a response. As you get older you'll realize you can just not respond and walk away.

>>39258760
They should see the response to Yugo graduating as a warning. Nobody really cares it's because Niji fans are being prevented from forming a healthy positive connection with the liver and how quick it seems that current Niji fans are to point out flaws in their character despite being OK just a couple weeks prior.

The constant topic of boundaries is creating an unseen barrier. Normal people might second guess what level of commitment to a streamer is "healthy," even though their boundaries aren't fucked like schizos. Affection with a little bit of entitlement are perfectly natural developments for a committed fan, but that's becoming the butt of a joke and Nijilivers joke about it rather than give it the appreciation it deserves. The conclusion of this is that Niji are making their own fan environments toxic, only instead of loud and entitled individuals bringing down the atmosphere it will instead make fans of eachother and themselves. The yesman will be in full force in the community, meanwhile individuals will start to drop out because that gap between supporting a content creator and being pragmatic will overlap and become harder to justify their own commitment after being jokingly chided about being in too deep for so long.
I can already imagine worse case scenarios where people who graduate don't get a bittersweet sendoff like Coco, but instead have a quiet step down because fans become too distant and "understanding" to give a shit. Attachment is the crux on what makes this industry work, FOMO has no effect if you don't F, the occasional bouts of entitlement is the price for that.

Entitlement can be a shitty thing to deal with, but I think it's worse to make sacred cows out of the talent and not treat them as entertainers. A viewer shouldn't constantly have to evaluate the level of affection they hold for a streamer, I can't think of anything more immersion breaking. At least you can beat down individual psychos, you can't stop a collective from being overprotective and self-defeating.

>>39272231
will instead make fans wary of each other and themselves*

>>39260392
20 of those are completely irrelevant.

>>39272231
Most based post itt. If chuubas want to frequently remind, reprimand, make fun of, or chastise their audiences tendencies to form connections to them then I’m just gonna dip out. What kinda audience would that chuuba want? Not even twitch fleshtubing turbonerd gamers are that retarded with their fanbases.

>>39270580
Just keep finding excuses to not put yourself out there anon, I'm sure that hooker sex will feel gratifying and full of love.

>>39258760
>he doesnt actually watch millie

>>39272231
Mucho texto, however I want to plow Marionette

>>39272550
Fuck am I tired of meta shit in Niji and the 0 streams of Holo. I just miss the early days before vtuber-chat dynamics overtook the conversation and made its own gay culture war in the community. I'm just sticking to Kawaii and Idol for now, it feels like the early days over there.

>>39258760
If you are parasocial towards nijisanji vtubers then you are retarded and deserve what’s coming to you… their whole schtick is doing cross gender collabs and having open VC at all times so anyone can join any stream at any time… if you saw all that and still developed parasocial feelings towards them then you are a complete block head

>>39273219
I guess the lesson that should be learned is that ultimately EN fans were probably never going to be ready for Vtubing. Or be Vtubers specifically.

>>39273219
20 shekels have been deposited into your account.

>>39272625
Rather that than waste my money on a shit mmo

>>39258760
I dont give a shit about niji en but the double standard where bfe is ok and gfe is heckin evil is funny. You'll never see the guys say shit like this. The girls will never have engagement ring merch like the guys. Really pozzed double standards.

>>39258760
Be quiet incel chud youre always in the wrong

>>39258760
>their
Just Ethyria and you have to be retarded to Gosling / Gachikoi for any of them

>>39273344
Parasocial doesn't just mean romantic relationship shit, if you spend several hours every day watching streams and trying to interact with the streamer then you're parasocial.

>>39277891
this, parasocial is a very fucking broad term actually. do you like an actor a lot and will go see a movie if he/she is in it? you're parasocial. do you like a politician more because of his character than his policies, the "I'd want to sit down and have a beer with him" kind of vibe? parasocial. sports athlete who is your big hero? parasocial. none of those people know you, nothing you do will affect them or matter to them but they matter a lot to you as if they're actual people in your life.

it's in essence whenever you feel socially connected with someone you see on a screen beyond what they're saying/doing. it'd be like going "haha you like Margot Robbie? why? she'll never fuck you bro" thinking you're cool. it's actually fucking retarded but there is a huge monkey-see-monkey-do mimic operation of people going hurr parasocial bad thinking they sound smart. they're not. they don't know what they're talking about.

in fact I'd go a step further and say that since the streamer is actually talking to the chat all the time, interacting with people on twitter etc it's actually only somewhat parasocial because there is back-and-forth going on. the chat as a collective entity is there talking to the person, like a tamed subservient hivemind.

>>39269250
Males are possessive of idolized women despite knowing they'll never have a chance with them. A dad may behave this way with guys that want to fuck his daughter yet the dad doesn't want to sleep with her. He simply idolizes her and doesn't see other men as worthy. That's a parasocial vtuber fan's mindset.

>>39262362
not everyone likes jerking off to cuck porn like you bro

>>39262641
Trust me there are. A few of them are on the ethyria thread. I don't know what they see in her besides a cute face.

>>39262522
do you still have the link for that documentary btw?

>>39258760
>Ethyria

>>39272231
What tards like Finana don't realize is the simply having an oshi is parasocial in nature. She doesn't know every one of her fans personally but many of them feel a decently strong connection to her. When she chastized them over being parasocial, it was like her saying "stop caring about me" to their face.

PARASOCIAL FUCKS

>>39272231
Basically yeah, after joking about how much of losers parasocials are and then looking at their credit card bill and seeing their supas/membership money going to that person, they HAVE to eventually have a moment where they go "... wait a minute" and stop. Either that or they just find someone else who doesn't make them feel bad about liking them and get a new oshi.

>>39281396
If I’m watching any streamer or content creator, and one day they tell me to stop caring as much or to basically fuck off, I’m gonna fuck off lol. If an entertainer wants me to care less I’m gonna move on. Simple as.

>>39261241
41

>reeee I'm nooot parasocial like youuuu
>spend time defending for their whore oshis on internet for hours
>buy shitty over priced merchs just because their names slap on it

>>39281869
I’m not parasocial sis I just watch all of their streams, type in their chats, wish them good mornings and good nights, donate money, buy merch, and hope they read my comments and laugh at my jokes. Teehee. Nothing parasocial about that wow. Chudcorncels would NEVER understand.

>>39259297
Ame literally rejected you on her first dating stream, told you to find someone better then went home to talk with Gura.

why are 2020 tourists like this?

>>39282448
it's 2023 soon, anon

>>39281682
Many of her fans did drop her. I legit see lots of small corpos and YT indies with better numbers in recent months. Likely NijiEN and Myth refugees.

>>39282575
yeah and ENfags haven't evolved at all
it's quite a phenomenon

>>39282704
I dropped her after the parasocial shit. I would’ve gotten over it if she streamed better games, but her general retardation combined with her absolutely abysmal gacha gambling game addict choices just turned me off completely. Like I look at her and I just feel bad because she’s just been shooting herself in the foot over and over. Ironically enough she is not entertaining enough through her content to maintain/grow her audience without her being a “parasocial fuck”

>>39259168
Same, thanks for the free entertainment, I'm not even subbed to anyone anymore, I just watch random vtuber clips whenever they get recommended if they're interesting enough because sitting for 3-5 hours watching someone play and talk is peak autism.

>>39258760
NijiEN is actually mentally retarded. They make HoloEN girls look smart.

>>39258760
The cuck meta is real

>>39282289
The fact that "Parasocial" contains this many multitudes is why I think it needs to be retired. It's just too broad to be a consistently bad thing, but people only use it that way.

>>39259794
parasocial doesn't mean you don't have to fuck your co worker, man this is the last straw i hold fo enna. was falling in love with her new design, now she doing this cuckoldry stream. i lost. back to selen, nvm, i just go to lome now

>>39266026
So what you saying all chuubas are talentless hacks with no entertainment value and only have viewers because of their company platform
Connor wins once again

>>39266653
ff14 is the mmo with the most females, is not that hard to find one to groom

>>39264677
GFE company

>>39292443
Groom? What are you a pedo?

>>39269377
>That's what anyone who isn't an emasculated cuckold would do.
if you hold any parasocial feeling towards a streamer you're an emasculated cuckold
You're literally feeling that way together with hundreds if not thousands of other guys at the same time
imagine if everytime you're talking to the girl you like there dozens other guys beside you doing the same

falling in love with a "celebrity" is pure cuckoldry, the worst part is that your fellow cucks and you have the same fate
the fate one day you will discover the celebrity is fucking somebody else

>>39265389
Nijfemales get the sloppy seconds of the roasties who are parasocial to the NIJmales. So they can occasional get decent numbers but their is a clear limit for the male accessories.

>>39270580
>>More males than females, essentially competing with other males for limited female attention
thats literally everywhere in life you beta cuck, unless you get yourself in a women-dominated workplace(which is hell btw)
all your chances at dating is you fighting against other guys wanting to get in the same girl pants

>>39258760
I don't gove a flying fuck if she pretends to love me in your opinion. She wants me to believe I can merry someone one day. What good thing are you making me believe? That I will be lonely forever? Fuck your crab bucket. I will never be with her. But I will love soneone who loves me back. Parasocial is just the next step on the ladder to fulfillment. Prosper or rot, it's noty call to make, it's just your choice.

>>39258760
How did they go from wedding rings to this?

Nigger.

>>39292025
>leaving Selen for Enna
Deserved, i can understand Pomu, Elira, ect
But Enna? really?

>>39292823
FF14 is not rated R17/M, half of that game fanbase are teenagers, you will be grooming someone even without knowing you're doing it

>>39293989
Females dominate the nij audience so their preferences dont get attacked as much and people back down if they do it all. Male preferences on the other hand are demonized with impunity. Which is why no heterosexual male should entertain having a nij en oshi. You are garunteed to be a second class citizen.

>>39259794
And here we have the perfect example of a parasocial freak. Pretty scary when you don't realize it, eh?

>>39278519
>in fact I'd go a step further and say that since the streamer is actually talking to the chat all the time, interacting with people on twitter etc it's actually only somewhat parasocial because there is back-and-forth going on.

As it happens, you're not alone anon:
>Interpersonal relations on live streaming services are neither social relations (there are no spatial proximity and no bodily contact) nor parasocial relations (as there is reciprocity and temporal proximity), but cyber-social relations. Cyber-social relations occupy a position in between social and parasocial relations, giving live streaming an exceptional position in the entire landscape of social media. In some articles, the interpersonal relations on live streaming services are called “parasocial.” Due to our results, this terminology is not suitable and should be avoided as livestreaming mediated relations are a relation in its own rights.

https://scholarspace.manoa.hawaii.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/3f5bc38c-fb9f-41a8-b4fa-cb5bfe206d70/content

>>39299056
NTA but I've thought this for a while too. Interesting to see this perspective articulated by an expert. A non-academic takedown of "inflationary parasocial moral panic," as I like to call it, is this gawker article

https://www.gawker.com/celebrity/twitter-has-a-parasocial-relationship-with-the-word-parasocial

Nijicucks regretting now

>>39259794
Jesus.. i can feel the cope from right across the screen

>>39278994
im sorry that you are brown

>>39258760
>I feel bad for Nijibros
it doesn't bother them

>>39292025
>leaving selen for enna
You deserve Enna

>consume (or produce) a form of media that's parasocial by nature and since its origin
>get upset at how people who are into it are parasocial
What is this brain problem called? Retardation? Zoomerism?

>>39269902
This post should be stickied at the top of the board

>>39292025
if you unironically left selen for enna you are a retard. don't come back, we don't want you

>>39269133
>I watch Linus for mother fucking tech tips
just call yourself a retard, its easier

>>39259272
>implying
The male nijis are way worse. They continue to exploit their female fans knowing that they'll remain parasocial no matter what they do.

>>39258760
>I feel bad for Nijibros
dont

>>39309526
That's not what a parasocial means idiot. This is what it actually means >>39278519 and >>39299056

You're a victim of this >>39262471

On what you said by observation it's actually only Vox whose taking advantage and exploiting his female audience as he's flipped flopped about the whole romantic shit when he was chastising his chat for attacking Reimu telling them he was not their lover and all that only to change that shit to now saying he's in a relationship with them. I think Mysta would be the only other who wouldn't be into offering these rings to his audience. It's possible all Luxiem may have no say in this.

>>39259230
>"PLEASE BE LIKE ME OR IT'S NOT FUN"
lemao the desperation

>>39293126
Many men desiring a woman is not a problem - a woman responding to those desires is.

parasocial deez nuts in your mouth lol

>>39293525
>unless you get yourself in a women-dominated workplace
Even there women would also look elsewhere. I attended a small private school where girls outnumbered the boys 4 : 1, yet the vast majority of the boys didn't have girlfriends. The girls were all dating boys they met elsewhere.

>>39313533
lol

It's all so tiresome
I should just watch vshoujo at this point

>>39262768
>Parasocial relationships are why vtubers exist and that they are so popular. To deny this is to deny the reality of their situation.
Are there any vtubers that are successful without it?

>>39264461
I've noticed in my experience that only once they get fat do women start trying to sell themselves based on their personality and hobbies. When they're "hot" they're the same carbon copy trashy bimbo as any other, because they know they can get away with it

>>39315334
There are almost no streamers that are successful without it. Everything is inextricably tied to the streamer and their personality. It's self-evident in the fact that people aren't 'cashing out' channels like they're companies. If you weren't parasocial, the fact that the streamer has changed shouldn't matter if they're playing the same games at the same level, right?

I thought parasocial meant parasite socialists for years. Huh learn something new everyday.

cool but still not watching hololive

>>39316039
There's nice people in the AI art thread if you don't despise AI art

>>39283061
Vtubers are practically begging to do this at this point