/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Will the auditions take forever like before though?

>>39177421
People REALLY overestimate the upkeep cost of a vtuber

I geuss I'll audition though, cuz I know I'll actually be able to bang my oshii.

>>39177421
>they will release another flop gen of males
>in the same year as EN3 so they can leech from the new girls guaranteed hype
Grim

>>39177421
>already trying to replace them
we lost tempusbros...

>>39177421
The truth is that even ILUNA is a success. Every wave from Myth to XSoleil is making money because after the initial investment for the models, everything else is profit.

i hope the tempus boys are ready to share their viewers

>>39177421
>starsEN gen 2
>EN3 won't happen next year
it's unironically over. No wonder the girls are so depressed.

>>39177846
I (female) applied over a month ago and they never even watched my video..... Pain

wat? wasnt it opened when tempus debuted? they got their second gen ready? so no holo en3 straight to stars en2 and then stars en3. its good actually so they have their own group to play around with instead of this.

>>39177421
In the context of Hololive they're a failure. In the context of vtubing and cost effectiveness they were a massive success. Some of y'all think vtubers cost way more than they actually do, there's a reason even 3view orgs can prosper given the proper circumstances.

Are they trying to ACCELERATE? Or are they really releasing another fucking male gen no one wants next year with no EN3?

>>39177421
Did I miss a memo?
The starsEN2 auditions were open since week 2 of Tempus debut. They even said on stream that it's open.

>>39177967
yes, they've been running open auditions
>>39177421
looks like this is a reminder auditions are open because they're not getting the applicants they wanted tbqh

>>39177967
It's still open yeah, this is just a reminder I think. Same thing they had to do twice during the first auditions to get enough applicants.

>>39177421
It's simple, if you are man
>join Nijisanji
if you are a woman
>join hololive

>>39177421
LMFAO. So EN4 will be males too. HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

>>39177421
What the fuck cover? Its too soon to take away their spotlight, they need the exposure, don't try to fucking sweep them away with shiny new members. They're not disposable

>>39177952
Tons are auto filtered, that says nothing

>>39178023
This is the "please, someone good must be out there, please apply" reminder.

>>39177421
Yagoo love males

So the future is gonna be mixed gender gens right?

Did they separate them? I was pretty sure it was an open audition but now they are making a distinction that it's Holostars specifically here.

>>39178475
hopefully
gura needs a dick on stream

>>39178475
Anon, they even put HOLOSTARS in allcaps...

>>39177421
They are.

>>39178568
Yeah mine

hololive is unironically fucking soulless now

>>39178543
mixedsisters...

>>39177421
Enjoy Nijification

>>39178874
??? They've had holostars for years and have a male EN gen already out. You're being an over dramatic bitch.

>>39178475
I'll enjoy all the seething and mouth foaming but it's not gonna happen, unfortunately.
They made sure to borrow "Holostars" for their male EN talents. Hololive is their all girls group. Can't see a mixed group gen unless they rebrand their entire EN branch to include both (even though they are already in the same management). That's not gonna happen too because some of the girls clearly doesn't want anything to do with males, at least on streams.

>>39179377
nah it's soulless now

>>39177711
STFU about EN3 there is no EN3 and never will be

>>39177952
They probably insta-filter you if you don't have the amount of youtube subs or twitch followers/viewer they want from someone at base level so to speak. I know this because I think they saw my audition a few times but never contacted me, and I'm sure it's because of numbers, so don't feel too bad.

>>39177421
Fucking tone deaf motherfuckers

>>39179530
Axel had less than 2k subs so it's not that

>>39177421
Time for EN4 already?

>>39177421
They really want to tank the brand even more? lmao
Debut a girl generation you fucking retards.

>>39177421
>yet ANOTHER WHOLE YEAR where another gen of faggots will be all we get instead of new girls

>>39177421
EN reputation to the mud. It's over

>>39179530
If you follow the patterns it's pretty standard they take at least one who's got the numbers they want and then grab some randoms to fill in the gaps.

>>39179484
Go back

>>39177421
There should be two straight HoloEN gens before doing another HomoEN gen. Just wait it out and hope the homos all quit so they can quietly close up shop for that failed endeavor.

>>39179734
They thought the tranny were gone, but tranny never goes anywhere

>>39177711
>same year as EN3
i doubt they’ll have time to release EN4 before the year ends

>>39179530
Maybe they did auto filter me... or maybe they have some girls waiting and they have no need to look at any more women right now? I don't understand Cover at all

>>39177421
Anon despite their actual numbers they do the most important thing.
They stream

>>39177642
Gross

>>39180661
The girls stream too despite what the catalog will tell you.

>>39180509
No one does, I've thrown out several auditions (though mine were Holostar) and you get zero feedback from them.
Honestly it's their own fault. If you can't tailor your video to what they want to see they're going to get random shit.

>>39177560
this, the "but they pay them a salary!!" thing is at it turns out a pittance, at least with what Kanata was saying a few years ago it's equivalent to like $200. yes. it's literally a "thanks for showing up to all these meetings, we'll pay you for that at least" kind of thing.

so salary wise they'd have to be bringing in like <200 a month in SCs. remember due to Cover only getting 30%, would equate to pulling in under $600, to objectively not be pulling their weight. even the very bottom barrel people in Cover make more than that (I think, although there were some months were some of them are in like lmao $400 range). then you consider the "upkeep" cost of a membership - nothing. So even those ones who make under rate to hold up even their own afterthought of a "salary" probably actually do just fine because even 100 members is by itself like $500+ unless everyone is in ARS (unlikely), and we know even the least-popular girls have at least a couple hundred by the look of it.

so, then, the cost of a manager is.. what, we don't actually know, but I'd imagine it's tantamount to an office job so like 20-40k range.. and if it's a part-time online-only work from home thing it's probably basically afterthought-tier pay as well, like 2k a month as a consultant or something. but, managers can manage multiple people easily and probably also do a lot of other stuff that isn't interfacing with the talents so do a lot of other stuff to justify their cost vs watching over a less-successful chuuba.

in the context of all this tempus pulls way way way more than their weight income-wise to justify there being more of them, they just need enough managers to handle more dudes really and given we know Cover hired like 200 people the last year, well probably not all of those were making grass textures for Holoearth or getting Yagoo's coffee, they are keen/able to expand.

HOMOCHADS
WE KEEP WINNING

>>39177421
It isn't, this just means they're getting shit applicants, so they need to advertise this again. The applications were never closed.

They just realize that having only one member that can speak Japanese at a native level is a big fucking problem. They want more Stars JP collabs, instead of involving the EN girls.

>>39179981
That would be nice, but what's more likely to happen is that the stars EN 2's and hololive EN 3's debut date will be very close to each other.

>>39180828
The salaries are probably higher than that nowadays, but it's kinda amazing even the worst runts (stars JP) can somehow still make a profit despite their salaries and production costs

>>39180828
>remember due to Cover only getting 30%
youtube takes 30. no one knows how much cover takes.

>>39181009
Merch sales is why they're still around, they still do well enough there financially.

>>39177421
Crashing this company with no survivors.

>>39177421
>needing another audition=/success

>>39177711
>EN 3
Tempus is EN 3 and the new stars gen will be EN 4

>>39177421
IT WILL BE ME
MAYBE NOT THIS TIME...

BUT THE NEXT,
OR THE ONE AFTER THAT
I will join them in the light.

Hololive LOVE.

>>39181167
Standard rate is 50% after YT cuts, Cover lets them renegotiate their rates (Lamy renegotiated so she got a bigger percentage a few months after debut).

>>39177421
strange how they just don't have the resources for timely 3d debuts or outfits, but have no issue spamming homos

>>39177840
Facts, tempus was already becoming 3 views, everybody who wants to watch holostars already does, they’re clearly just tryna milk debut donations again

>>39181636
feels like EN is nerfing itself subconsciously trying to be more subtly PC/woke like Niji which means owning le incels which means hiring and spamming a bunch of males. doesn't matter if it's actually successful or not, if they -feel- like they're being correct that's more important to them personally. I would hope JP HQ would go like "nah cut that out or you're out, make us some fucking money" but maybe they aren't.

If they dare to release another homo gen before EN3, I'm done with HoloEN. I've fucking had it with this shit.

we're getting stars en 2 before we get en3..

>>39181950
>>39181954
tempus is en3

>>39181636
This is what really gets me. EN is already mismanaged and members don't get enough support from Cover. But here comes another entire gen of 3view guys nobody asked for.

>>39181636
sink cost falacy they put too much and lost too much for homofags and admiting it will hurt their ass too much so they will continue until they got a 2view homofagEN gen, basicaly next one, and will bankrupt. Fucking anoyance cause live EN would do better without them. This is what you get for getting US market, an equivalent shit to chink market.

>>39182023
EN branch has already lost this game if that's the case. small corpos and nijis will slowly but factually decimate them if they go 2 years no new girls.

This
This is what happens when you listen to the most vocal on twitter and reddit for advice. Mixed gens placating to normies that don't even drop supas. EN will destroy it's self and it's met with thunderous applause

>>39181954
If that means less EN collabs with the girls, I'd support it.

>>39182199
As told in this comic. someone needs to flood Cover's feedback inbox with it or something.

>>39181912
Even when most of the holoEN girls are missing, tempus doesn't see a significant increase in viewers. It's pretty clear that a lot of holoEN fans don't want to watch male vtubers even when they have no other options.

>>39182024
but wait, if Omega says "your voices were heard" about them that means he's right and everyone wanted these. because his belief is more important than reality.

we don't need another stars gen

>where is my fucking EN3
>b..but we just announced auditions for EN4

>>39182173
>small corpos and nijis will slowly but factually decimate them if they go 2 years
>2 years

>>39182238
I'd support it if they weren't diverting resources (recruitment, management, production, etc.) from holos to stars

>>39177421
Viewership wise they totally are a failure, the bit is that they get good donations after debuting though so cover wants to milk the fuck out of that and always have a group of holostars debuting to milk those donos dry, as a side effect tempiss will become obsolete like most JP gen 1’s

>>39182391
>if they weren't diverting resources (recruitment, management, production, etc.) from holos to stars
bc everyone knows that 2 managers can manage a single girl twice as hard as 1 manager the same way if two people type on a keyboard you can put out twice as much code

>>39182383
It's been 1 and a quarter years since Council, within a few weeks 1 and a third.

If they take like more than 6 months to put out EN3 they will have about hit the 2 year mark sadly enough.

EN4 will be mixed gender.

>>39182470
any money, effort, or staff wasted on stars are resources that could have been spent on creating or improving content that anyone but a few smelly fujos wants to see

>>39177421
I believe this is the first and only audition they have ever made since tempus lmao

>>39182528
they literally cannot do that without objectively shitting on the hololive name. a boy in a "hololive" name being allowed potentially on the JP minecraft server, being brought to collabs etc? I don't think EN branch is THAT dumb.

not to mention iluna and xsoilul are both flops. mixed gen isn't the answer even if Cover is just blatantly copying Anycolor's homework again.

>>39182552
>any money, effort, or staff wasted on stars are resources that could have been spent on creating or improving content
until you have a gura who has made over 2 million even after cover's cut and stopped streaming

>>39182308
Yup, they see that they're in seperate boxes just like the JP stars and that there isn't a lot of fan overlap. I hope everyone in the next Tempus gen have at least N4 level Japanese.

Don't you guys get it? /vt/ is just a very small part of the fandom. Whatever your opinions about homos are clearly not shared with the fandom outside this asylum and Cover. You also shouldn't be surprised that Yagoo of all people is pushing for more homos either.

>>39182887
Holostars EN is like the WNBA. If there's truly no other games on and it's 3am and I need something in the backround while I game I'll put it on ESPN 8 and watch it

>>39182649
Cover will release the next EN gen as two groups at the same time similar to what they did with Hope and Council, but Holopro EN will market them together as if they were one and they'll be able to collab immediately.

>>39182948
If you listen to any super chat reading you will know those guys sending those view the girls as proxy girlfriends. They do NOT want male collabs. Look at the most successful members of EN now. It's the ones that didn't Collab. Look at how Fauna has inclined like the challenger.

>>39182689
Did she really make that much? Damn that's impressive.

>>39177421
good luck then, I no longer watching EN chuubas.

>>39182948
pray tell where is the rest of the fandom you deluded shitter? it's not reddit. /vt/ is fucking fifty times their post rate. it's not twitter. the like/comment engagement vs people who tune in is about 100:1.

so basically it's discords and /here/. and mysteriously shit we say instantly turns out to be right about the homos eating into the girls' numbers and interest in them. discord has no real opinions/stances because the cover bootlicker mods don't allow them to. cover projects its stance and it gets enforced in their names without their even doing anything - a lot of people don't care enough and/or are literally brainwashed children and just accept it. but others, no not really.

>>39183123
Fauna inclined because nobody else was streaming.

>>39183209
>/vt/ is fucking fifty times their post rate.
>post rate
you know you live in a bubble when "post rate" becomes a metric that you think matters. look at the IP count anon, there's not even 100 IPs here. you really think /vt/ even matters in the grand scheme of things when waiting rooms have more people than posters here?

>>39182649
the management behind HoloEN don't care about this shit, they want to try new things and appeal to the western audience, and the west enjoy watching male and female vtubers interact on a regular basis apparently.

>>39183209
>post rate
Anon you forgot how many of those posts in /vt/ are people samefagging.

>>39183209
retard

>>39179377
feels more soulless by having tempiss be 3 guys who were Offline TV rejects and orbiters and one guy who was an actual indie who cares about his content and got whipped for doing so, the only guys they trust with content are faggots who think people wanna watch the offlinetv streamers they simped for before joining. soulless corporate garbage that punishes creativity.

>>39183314
add up all IPs in all threads across the board, and consider it is also a live count of just who posted. i.e the 200-400 people in global at 5am PST are mostly not the same people talking at 5pm PST.

furthermore the rate at which threads turn over i.e bump off hides things even more and /vt/ is one of the fastest boards on the site. 4chan's userbase is like 25 million+. the upper boards are all low-digit millions in users. that is also people who mostly lurk and don't post much FYI. it also explains how random shit from here somehow mysteriously filters out to the rest of the internet like how suddenly everyone is talking about zoomers and gigachads even though those were started and perpetuated by what looks like "a couple hundred people" on like /fit/ and /r9k/ - boards way way way tinier than here FYI.

people underestimating the actual size and reach of 4chan is a tale as old as fucking time, or at least internet time back to 03.

>>39182948
/vt/ is a small part when looking at the numbers, but when looking at influence, /vt/ is at the top. All my shitpost narratives end up becoming mainstream.

>>39183451
Altare is the only offlinetv orbiter. Magni has his own twitch clique. Vesper actually likes vtubers and an actual weeb. Axel knows about the culture and the music side of it.

>>39180828
bro the amount of reaching you are doing in this schizo dissertation is astonishing, stop acting like you have any fucking clue how they run their business day to day, you have no idea. i dont even disagree that the upkeep is next to nothing, and i will bet the house having worked in japan that these girls cant have external managers and agents so they get absolutely raped on their contracts, but outside of that we know nothing. the amount of ppl who think they understand cover on a business level just to spew out bullshit never ceases to amaze me.

>>39180828
>in the context of all this tempus pulls way way way more than their weight income-wise
when will you niggers realize it's not just about simple arithmetic
Yeah, Tempus earns more than what they directly cost to the company, that doesn't mean they're a good idea.
Imagine if Louis Vuitton started a new brand of handbags selling for $1 more than they cost to produce. Net profit for the company. Good idea right? no, it fucks up their brand of being expensive and exclusive.
Hololive is supposed to be the big mega-idol heavy weight of vtubing, at least among EN. It's really weird when they introduce a branch that just barely pulls its own weight, and makes us realize that the rest of them are just regular stupid people playing games. Maybe Tempus earns $1000 a month in superchats, but it stops hololive from earning $100,000 a month when we stop worshipping them like idols.

>>39177421
EN will hug the homo then fall into 3view territory together

>>39178090
Joining niji as a man isn't an auto victory. Jordansweeto threw away everything to join niji thinking it'd be a walk in the park. It turns out the most important thing as a streamer is to have a personality. He doesn't. And now he's doomed to 3view shittery lmao.

>>39183796
you fucking retard, kanata literally said what their salary is. we also know what youtube takes as a cut and what cover takes as a cut and what tax rates are in Japan/abroad. acting like this is all magic pixie magical Yagoo dust and we can't even get a fucking clue, an estimate or guess, is more schizo than making educated statements.

>>39183963
i mean even just from a channel views perspective the month over month viewership for EN channels is so dogwater, then you have ppl like ina who just ghost for 3.5 months so her channel can barely break 1 million views a month, EN regressed massively in 2022 from a financial perspective but dumfucks on this board think everyone in myth has 20k members and shit, ppl are so fucking retarded.

>>39184095
also, internal documents were leaked about Cover's earnings. as it turns out merch and sponsorships are orders of magnitude more important than this squabble about SCs.

>>39177560
Anyone can hire a random guy to become a streamer, but people with real talents value more than your average joe

>>39184098
Obviously monthly views are not an important metric because if they are, Tempus aren't exactly doing great in that.

>>39184095
lmao what the fuck does kanatas salary have to do with the day to day operation to keep the lights on, you realize they have 400 employees right? you know nothing other then some anecdotal statements from some memebers on certain cuts and splits on different forms of revenue, outside of that you are just making shit up that sounds good in your head, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about you troon, also stop using... 10 times a fucking post so we dont need to lose braincells reading your incoherent business takes.

>>39184183
for the actual members yes, you understand they have 400 employees right you stupid fuck, you think merch and sponsorships cover that? no you dumb fuck, theres this magical thing called overhead, the cut they take from superchats and youtube cpm is a huge deal to keep shit going day to day. how is this so hard to understand?

>>39177983
>Holo lower their standard to hire low quality vtubers like Niji
This only show more corruption in EN management

>>39178475
Yeah, and most of them will be 3 view like current Niji

>>39177421
Why is Hololive focusing on males? EN fanbase is not from China and SEA like Nijis, they are western and want to watch bitches, I guess Vshojo is going to take over in the West.

>>39177421
StarsJP are 3views for years and they stuck around as well as having new gens. I don't see why Tempus, who were significantly more successful than their JP counterpart, getting a new wave is such a surprise.

>>39179377
There is no reason a talented male streamer need to hide behind anime avatar except for fujobaiting. Most male vtubers are talentless faggots who overestimate their entertainment skill

>>39177421
Bros, I thought Tempiss and its shitheads are trying not to cope and seethe

>>39184457
If the performance stats were that fucking crucial why are they putting out more guys then when they objectively are doing worse than more girls then? Not trying to debate here but just wondering what is the point of voluntarily expanding income sources far worse than they could have reached for with the same resources. Maybe they make so much net profit that it doesn't matter if guys bring in half the income of girls if Yagoo or EN top brass says to do that. Would I want more males? No not at all. But clearly they are not dissuaded by Tempus results.

>>39180661
All of them stream less than Mori this month. Shut up tourist

>>39184791
Exactly, there’s a reason Jerma, Shroud, and other big male streamers don’t use vtuber avatars, I don’t even think the the guy with the long black hair that Mori likes has a vtuber model.

>>39180828
You want to spend as little as possible? Have fun in 3 views area cuz cheapest guys aren't talented at all

You guys don't understand. They're opening auditions because TWO of their current members are not renewing their contracts.

>>39184720
Small corpos are like the mice scurrying under Cover the dinosaur's feet right now. After the asteroid hits and wipes them and Niji, the mice will take over the empty niches and grow up to replace them. In this case however this looks more to apply to EN branch as HoloJP is doing better than ever, EN interest overall seems floundering however and people have been thinking the bubble will pop anyday.

>>39182689
Then EN management scammed her with 250k for a queen cover, restricting her ideas and cancelled her merchs. No wonder she hates it.

>>39184791
>Most male vtubers are talentless faggots who overestimate their entertainment skill
why haven't you gotten in, anon? surely you have more talent than tempiss

>>39185031
I’m not surprised, Vtubers in the west were a Covid fad, most went back to watching the fotm anime

>>39185062
>gura paid for omega's sex change surgery and hates it more than anything but can't tell fucking anyone

Sad if true.

>>39185062
Ah yes the 200k Queen cover. Meanwhile Axel put it out while also inserting King lyrics which only delayed it by a few days.

>>39177421
>holobronies are going to get Tempiss 2 - the Tempissing before they ever see EN3
Jesus fucking Christ. Who the fuck is running this clown show?

>>39177421
>Bros I though tempus was a failure?
It was. Tempus is a horrible failure that sent Holo EN's popularity in to a nosedive that it hasn't recovered from and probably never will.
>but then why are they doing more auditions?
Because EN management is doubling down on stupid.

>>39183963
>Louis Vuitton
It's wild that you're trying to make this comparison. Hololive is not even close to being a luxury brand and the quality of its existing roster of talents is really all over the place. You can be angry about Tempus but if you're gonna frame it as 'devaluing the value of the brand' then you should also criticize a good half of their streamers. A lot of those girls are not bad but pretty unremarkable as streamers and even by 4th gen you have a lot of personality and content overlaps in the stable.

>>39185372
Nice delusion.

>>39179639
That should've taught them a lesson

>>39177421
>en4 will also be male-only

>>39184098
>Youtube view
>Matter
Excellent MBA larp.

>>39185378
>you're gonna frame it as 'devaluing the value of the brand' then you should also criticize a good half of their streamers
yes. Streamers like Mel, Choco, Aki Rose, etc are also hurting their brand a lot. I don't have anything against them personally, I just recognize the business they're in. It would be like promoting a music tour of "Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, and... some other singers that are only popular with their local niche audience." At that level, with that much promotion, If you're not a huge hit you're a failure.

>>39186073
Nigga Taylor Swift is 10 times more popular than Lady Gaga.

>>39177421
Answer me this, coverdrones: debuting more girls "too soon" is bad because "quality over quantity", but if StarsEN2 debuts less than 11 months after Tempus then what is going to be your reasoning here?

>>39177421
The current members aren't even close to Roberu's sub count(Axel hasn't even passed Aruran) and have already slowed down pretty much to JPs rate of growth, adding more will just make their growth even worse

>>39186525
4 is less than 10, learn basic math, please.

>>39186505
Doesn't matter, both are huge famous singers that can sellout any arena.
Holostars has to shill as hard as possible just to earn a living.

>>39186536
By your retarded logic, they should have stopped with Roboco and not debuted anyone else.

>>39186713
They shouldn't have

Because nobody else has been able to compare.

>>39186713
HoloEN fans are very much trend jumpers who simply move on to the newest thing, Tempus was the new thing and they got a lot of attention but have very quickly been falling off as they move on to other new things, a new gen will lead to the same thing, they will get a good start but then fall off almost immediately, especially when inevitably we get another new Niji wave or HoloID wave within a month of them debuting again.

>>39186713
They should be like the premier league. The bottom three performers get relegated to Niji every year.

predict the percentage of applicants who are only applying to have a shot of grooming the girls

>>39186846
Ah yes the 3 views Niji wave is gonna steal all the viewers.

>>39186895
Kronii really ruined HolostarsEN's chance of having normal people applying.

>>39177498
yes obviously, I know that some of you fucks are auditioning right now as we speak

>>39179414
> holopro

>>39186557
Alright, let's check the timeline then: Myth debuted in September of 2020. The Vsinger auditions started in early December of 2020, 3 months after Myth's debut, and IRyS dropped in early July, 7 months later. The EN2 auditions started in mid February of 2021, 5 months after Myth's debut, and Council dropped in mid August of the same year, 6 months later. Tempus debuted in July of this year. They already announced auditions on the same week they debuted, and now mentioned them again 5 months later. Again, if Cover debuts them before June of 2023 what's going to be your reasoning for StarsEN to receive this treatment while HoloEN doesn't have a new gen for over 16 months?

>>39186713
Back then Hololive wasn't even the name of the agency and Cover only had Roboco and Sora. Comparing the time when they only had 2 vtubers to now when they have 71 isn't as smart as you think it is.

>>39183615
>but when looking at influence, /vt/ is at the top
wouldn't say at the top but played major part for sure
So many EN and ID chuubas lurks this site at very minimum. Risu broke containment at one time, moona and olie breakdown from looking at the posts back then and thats just holoID there are many more examples corpo or not
That anon you called a nigger could be your oshi

>>39177952
they found their candidates sister, try again next time

>>39187048
Oh look a retard that can't even do basic math.

>>39187240
DYRBI?

>>39187258
I sure don't, but I can guarantee you that by the time EN3 debuts HoloEN won't have 15 members in total.

>>39186983
I've gotta wait til January to renew my application due to the 90 day wait.

>>39178010
How about (You) support the gens that are already here instead of hoping for a 3rd EN gen to bring you new rrats

>>39187048
And they only have 4 holostar EN so?

Yagoo wants boys. He's seen how western women treat Hololive.

>>39187314
And they only have 10 HoloEN members (if we can even count everyone as being active). Both have low numbers compared to their JP counterparts (35 for HoloJP and 13 for StarsJP), so why aren't they as eager to debut more HoloEN members as they are for StarsEN? And if they debut a StarsEN2 before a HoloEN3 their branch will be proportionally much bigger in comparison, being around 61% of the total of StarsJP members against the 28% for HoloEN's case, so why are they moving so fast for their case but are slow as molasses for what is for all intends and purposes the main branch?

>More men
Guess Council didn't do as well as expected.

>>39187294
yeah it's gonna perfectly time as a surprise in 4th Fes. Or if not after the New Year countdown show

>>39186895
Most of them, Magni even lied about not knowing anything about Hololive when he was a JP watcher.

>>39177421
homoJP has 4 gens, and most of them are below 1k.

>>39185930
God i hope so, I need some good entertainment and schizos losing their mind over another male gen would make for some great comedy

>>39177421
YEEEEEEEEEEES MORE COCKS FOR KOBO AND ZETA, RIGHT YAGOO?
WHO CARES ABOUT INDONESIA RIGHT?, WHO CARES ABOUT THE REASON ID3 WAS SO SUCESSFUL IN FIRST PLACE, WHO CARES ABOUT US BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE GOOD THINGS LIKE THE JAPS BECAUSE WE ARE JUST AN AFTER TOUGHT OF A BRANCH, NICE YAGOO, GOOD JOB WE NEED TO BE MORE LIKE NIJISANJI SO CAN WE WENT THE NIJIID WAY, RIGHT YAGOO? THAT'S TOTALLY WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW AND MORE MALE COLLABS RIGHT YAGOO?.

>>39187749
I also hope they'll finally reveal EN3 soon, but we already went 16 months without any sign of life while Cover made the call for more male auditions twice within 5 months. At this point not having your expectations set as low as humanly possible will only be to your detriment, and with coverdrones continuing to push the whole "quality > quantity" bullshit mantra I won't be surprised EN3 takes Uproar's record of having the longest wait between new gens for all of HoloPro.

>>39188237
StarsID incoming

>>39188316
The have already broken the record for hololive.

>>39188237
lolumad

>>39182948
> Whatever your opinions about homos are clearly not shared with the fandom outside this asylum
And... tempiss still stuck under 1-2k viewers.

>>39188496
Yeap, and they only need around 8 more months to break HoloPro's record. We already went 16 months without any news for a HoloLIVE branch, another 8 won't be too hard considering how much EN is pushing for Holostars.

>>39188596
And even when they're the only members from the EN side streaming and the other ones are like Kaela, Flare, Luna or Aki with their 8+ hours streams which still have at least twice as many people watching than Tempus.

>>39181912
Vesper will NEVER be a 3view.

>>39178319
This. They had to do that before as well and with the infos we have, it got them both Vesper and Axel. Possibly Magni as well. The only one who applied way back then was Altare

hololive audience are 80% males
cover what the fuck are you doing

>>39188973
Listening to the tranny in the management.

>>39177642
Go for Ame Bae or Kronii. Don't even bother with Mori, she'll come to you. I hear it's how you pass the audition.

>>39188973
The EN staff is fucking retarded, please understand. Cover will only do anything about if we have another graduation, in particular one from Myth, because until then they'll probably ignore it and believe they're being well managed.

>>39188973
The boys have a pretty mixed audience and believe me or not, but vesper has 90% males watching him. Oji-sans together strong.

>>39177952
They probably have their next gen picked-out, already.

>>39177421
Why would new auditions be equal to Tempus being a success?
Have you seen how many new gens niji constantly pukes out?

>>39188973
And StarsEN has a majority male audience. Your point?

>>39177711
>EN3
>Number per stream per week after debut week: 5 times per month
Jeez, even Montenegrin have better work ethic than holoEN girl. Come join HoloJP side ENturds

>>39189105
>next gen picked-out, already.
the only reasons they would make this announcement are
>they know they're losing to nijisanji and trying to catch up
>everyone forgot that auditions were open

>>39189133
It's less about that and more about how much they're pushing for a new gen when they were never that eager with HoloEN even when Myth was the face of western vtubing.

>>39189105
I belieb the rrat that EN3 was already hired months ago but constant illness and other setbacks delayed them to the point that it would better if they delayed the debut to around holofes
Also see picrel

>>39189163
oh i forgot there are a lot of faggots and friendless males, but still, they're relatively minority
it just doesn't make any sense

Honestly I think that StarsEN needs at least as many talents as HoloEN for fairness sake.
So I'm thinking 3 more gens of 4. That'll put them at 16. Then debut a new gen of girls, which will put Hololive at 16 as well. Then they can start doing every-other year after that.

>>39177421
So long as the girls make money, yagoo will waste money on this.

>>39189163
I have a hard time believing that as someone that occasionally pops into Tempus streams and often ends up seeing ring or pregnant emoji spam

>>39189287
Ya know, I bet there are more female viewers of hololive than their are male viewers of holostars

>>39189404
>I have a hard time believing that
vesper revealed that all the boys have majority male viewers and that he has the highest percentage.

>>39189281
You should drop both the copium and the hopium. If what you said is true they would've been delayed for almost a whole year and I'm sure some of them would be fed up about it and just fucked off and tried for another agency. HoloEN lost most of it's prestige in the last year or so, and with all the bureaucratic part many would prefer to go to a non-Japan based smaller agency so they won't have to deal with all the Japanese autism, even if they'll have smaller numbers.

I bet there are some fat blue hair single whales in EN management and they're doing whatever the fuck they want to own "incels"

>>39189404
All we know is that Vesper has a 5% larger male viewer base than the others I can also personally attest to at least one girl posting tits in /mans/ recently followed up by two guys if that says anything.

>>39188237
People talk about Kronii and Ame a lot here, but the ones really hurt the most by Tempiss was ID3
The ID branch FINALLY had a genuine hit gen on par with EN or JP, and now they've reclined back to the numbers Moona and Ollie already demonstrated a year ago
It's not like they weren't warned, with what happened to Ollie

>>39183623
Nta but Magni is a otv orbiter. He is friends with lilypichu at least and saruei who in turn circles back to vshojo which is connected to otv, otk, the la streamers etc.
The thing with twitch and la content creators is all the successful ones are either irl friends or leeches to those people.

>>39189471
If you can stand the managerial retardation and restrictions, hololive is still the best option for a girl chuuba
- Don't have to work full-time and huge amount of leniency for breaks and roommate activities
- Instant fanbase, still significantly larger than a niji EN girl
- Can quit after a year to go indie or join a small corpo, and can still retain a significant amount of your fanbase
- Even after all the YT/Cover cuts, pretty much guaranteed to make more money after your first merch run than you would for years as an indie or small corpo

Granted, a lot of these benefits being super attractive to chuubas also tends to result in a lack of ambition in said chuubas once they're hired

>>39182948
You're right, but the numbers don't lie. Management doesn't need to be /here/ to arrive at the same conclusion as us.

>>39184827
Because they're dumb or getting misled. I am not saying you're but it is possible that incompetence is at play. Bigger companies have recently done dumber shit which lost them faith with their customers and money yet refused to change.

>>39189565
the shill campaign /here/ was pretty successful with regard to ID at least in getting people to not complain but it's not surprising that people then just quietly leave. Revealed preferences.

>>39184034
He always leeched off of his girlfriends fanbase, he can't do that in Nijisanji.

>>39189817
>Granted, a lot of these benefits being super attractive to chuubas also tends to result in a lack of ambition in said chuubas once they're hired
Yeap, and the last thing HoloEN needs is more members without ambition.

>>39189962
That's the thing - it's not the loud complaining schizos that they need to be afraid of, but the quiet masses (which the schizos are often a sign of, not always)
Market research is a basic but critical part of management

>>39190041
Sure, but I'm just pointing out why hololive is still the best option from the perspective of a girl chuuba
Basically, if a given a choice between joining hololive or the competition, I bet 90%+ would choose holo
This is especially true if you're one of those countless destitute 1/2-views that's mentally deranged enough to continue streaming instead of getting a job

>>39189817
Basically yeah Holo is still about an order of magnitude higher in potential than Niji and two orders higher than small corpo. I mean it's literally the best there is. It's like saying "nah I'm ok not playing in the NBA I'm gonna stick here with my little local team, I don't want the pressure of having big audiences and millions of dollars." People saying girls aren't applying to Holo anymore are factually delusional tribalists.

Maybe if a girl literally hates what Holo is and knows she wouldn't get along with anything in there wouldn't apply, but I think the degree a girl is tribalist against holo is going to be rare that it's so much so that they don't even apply. You don't have to be a big gung-ho Cover loyalist to get in (Mori demonstrated that from the getgo. Mumei didn't even know who Yagoo was, Kronii thought Marine's song was from one piece etc). Kobo literally didn't know anything at all about vtubing (if she is to be believed). It's a matter of who they pick really, it's up to management not to pick more duds.

Can't wait for the Tempiss arc rerun

>>39187294
There likely will be graduations in July or August, but EN3 should probably drop around 4th fes in March, hopefully.

>>39178543
>they are making a distinction that it's Holostars specifically here
It was about time. They were never supposed to be mixed together.

>>39190221
And even then we've yet to see an EN3. Lots of chuubas who are fans of Hololive and most certainly tried for it went to other agencies because Cover are the slowpokes here in regards to new hires, and I doubt any of them are willing to throw away everything they build up just because HoloEN will give them better numbers. They're the best choice, sure, but it's absolutely insane to rot away waiting for Cover to reply when we don't even know what are their plans for what should be the main branch while they're more than happy to shill the smaller male branch to hell and back. They had the perfect window to expand the branch almost 2 years ago, but now they're not the main player in the west anymore, there are other options for people who don't want to deal with Japanese autism and Nijisanji is more than willing to drop 32 members in 19 months, and we still have 5 left before Lazulight's second anniversary so that number could be even bigger. 2020 is long gone, the landscape has completely changed and Cover was unable to consolidate their domination early on due to sheer incompetency, so who's to say if there's any good candidates left who actually want to work and not laze out after 2 months and go on doing the bare minimum.

>>39190416
The keyword here is "hopefully".

>>39190562
I think it means they a.) want to dispel any ideas of mixed gen and b.) perhaps already picked EN3 or at least have enough apps to chew on that they've got enough to work with.

In fact for the girls they can just dust off already-submitted apps from the past who they liked, I don't at all see why they wouldn't actually. They got thousands of them already and probably took a bunch of notes of their favored ones in prior rounds; they already must have a shortlist of girls they'd maybe want and probably most of them would still be interested if Cover gets back to them.

>>39177421
Compared to Myth and CouncilRyS, yes. Compared to Holostars and Uproar, they’re literally the most successful male gen Cover has released.

>>39177421
>more males
>still no holoeu with irish farmgirl and german milkmaid character

>>39177421
By all not retard /vt/ sisters metrics TEMPUS was successful and possibly performing better than expected even.
Not a surprise they want to roll out more Stars.

>>39190716
It really depends on where "success" is defined in boy vs girls waves. If you want to pit them vs JP Holostars yeah they're successful. If you want to compare them to EN girls oh hell no they're a massive fucking failure.

Normally, I don't think anyone would bother trying to compare them closely to the girls, but the issue is fucking EN management itself tried to blur the line with the Holopro shit and collab spam so some people are trying to have it both ways and say "they're literally equals to the EN girl gens and are EN3 -and- are massively successful" - this is contradictory flat-out because in that case no they're not at all successful vs EN1/2. Literally it can be arbitrarily summed up as they are a success or a failure depending on how you qualify/compare - kind of a schrodinger's cat thing.

>>39190688
>probably most of them would still be interested if Cover gets back to them
Only if they didn't went indie or were hired by one of the dozens of smaller agencies while waiting for Cover to move their dinosaur asses, especially if they have a model they're happy with. I don't think anyone wants to drop everything they have for the chance of being the next IRyS or Magni.

>>39177421
>StarsEN failed to gain prestige against Nijisanji, they'll be forever number 2
>HoloEN prestige fell significantly
I feel sorry for ENkeks, it's getting harder and harder to have decent chuubas applying for HoloproEN

Well at least HoloID still has some prestige left because Indonesians are mind drones who like to suck Yagoo's cock and butthole unconditionally. Even NijiIDsisters and NijiENsisters in /warkop/ want StarsID for some reason, they really hate Riku.

>>39183190
Whatever the figure is it doesn't include merch and membership fees as those are unknown.
All that's known about her merch is that the gura dino doll thing broke all cover records for merch.
Considering Miko etc., was accruing $500k+ for some celebratory merch set last year then I really wonder how much this stupid stuffed toy garnered them in the end.
Likely a whole lot.

>>39190716
I won't deny that Tempus is successful by stars standards
But Cover really fucked up by not debuting EN3 around the same time just because they were afraid of stealing attention away from their precious Tempus, when it turns out:
- the remaining fanbases of each branch barely overlap anyway,
- it gave the impression that Cover is spending their recruitment/managerial resources on boys over girls (instead of both)
- their existence and later collab spam with the girls drove off a significant portion of the existing fanbase (both EN and ID)
And the fact that Cover couldn't foresee how problematic the lack of EN roster depth would be in the face of potential burnout/illness/etc. (that's happening right now) while thinking Tempus would provide that depth, is particularly damning

>>39191237
>- their existence and later collab spam with the girls drove off a significant portion of the existing fanbase (both EN and ID)
lmao

>>39177421
Audtions were open since the beginning, no? HolostarsEN gen 2 is going to be a thing.

>>39187124
>That anon you called a nigger could be your oshi

>>39177983
This. I'm a 2view from a third world country and still make way more that my country's minimum wage. Only thing I did was taking it seriously as a job and care for my audience.

Realistically, a high end vtuber doesn't go up 5k, so they pretty much pay themselves on their monetization party.

In my case it took me about 3 months to pay for my meme model but after that has been a very profitable work in terms of worked hours vs paycheck.

>>39191375
it's a fact, HoloEN audience is now reduced to a fraction of what it was

>>39178874
Only the JP branch

Sorry but EN branch have given up on the girls and investing it all on the boys. Remember how Axel was apparently given praise and was offered by the company to pay for all his music releases since he was pretty "successful" despite how that big cover involving various Holos doing poorly than normal covers from other Holos?

Sunk cost fallacy. Since Hololive lost its reputation and prestige with males they're trying to replace the existing Western (and worldwide male English speaking audience) with Chinese and other fujoshi. Whether or not this works is a big question since they're up against Nijisanji, who was once the lesser company due to males, but they were in the male game since the start. The only certain result is the further alienation of people like me, who were once Myth fanatics and then slowly but surely got sidelined and shat on, be it by Mori or Ame, or the pestilent existence of Tempus. I never got into Council. I now only watch Gura and hold girls like Kiara and Fauna in respect, but I'm completely disinterested in Hololive as a whole. They squandered and lost all good will, all patience, respect, loyalty, everything. I'm utterly disgusted by HoloEN's management, Yagoo's perpetual shilling of males, Ame, Kroni, Mori... the whole structure of Hololive just imploded and they themselves destroyed it. At this point I don't care if they (try) to shit on me again with more males because I don't see myself as their fan anymore. I'm just watching this grotesque spectacle of incompetence and insults from the sidelines as one might watch a car crash or some homeless lunatic doing homeless lunatic things.

This is the important bit - if you're a girl who is applying for HoloEN, just don't. Look at how demoralized and absent most of Myth is. Beneath the (probable) health reasons and other causes of absences it's clear they're all sad, miserable and turned off from streaming. HoloEN betrayed them. The management did not listen to them, cared about their vision, and in the case of Gura sabotaged the fuck out of her at every turn. If you're a girl I'm willing to bet my cock you felt this instinctively since women are good at that. HoloEN is rotten from the inside and it's not getting better, and the girls who are now stuck there in a "damned if you do damned if you don't" situation don't know what the fuck to do anymore. It's a mouse trap, and one they never saw coming. Gura and Kiara are CGDCT fans and that's why they're there, and HoloEN smeared shit on their idealism. Kiara is experienced in the industry and could deal with the stab in the back, but I think Tempus utterly destroyed Gura's starry eyed ideas and demoralized her completely. She saw girls she thought were sharing her ideal and were there because of that ideal just straight up betray it at a drop of a hat. You don't just shrug that off. The issue is there's not much they can do. Gura, Kiara, Fauna... they can theoretically leave and join a small corpo and take a chunk of their fans with them under a new model, but the economic situation in the world is so fucked this is a frightening prospect. And since everyone STILL thinks of Hololive as "the top" (IT IS NOT. KILL THIS FAULTY IDEA) going "down" can appear as defeat to them. It is not. It would liberate their creative energies. But I understand their fear, indecisiveness and sadness.

If you're a 1view, 2view or even a 3view indie or small corpo chuuba, my advice to you is to join one of these - Phase Connect, kawaii or Idol Corp. If in the future Hololive gets its shit together (unlikely) you can "go upward," or a new big corpo might appear. But by staying in the trenches and sticking to your guns you can both learn, earn and help actual vtubing to grow. There is no prestige associated with Hololive or Nijisanji anymore. There also won't be a big chungus anymore. Vtubing will be composed of smaller corpos of roughly equal size all coexisting and having their draw based on THE TALENTS (you) and how much your personality appeals to this or that guy. Fully natural, fully authentic. (you) might peak at 1k CCV, but those 1K guys will be your hardcore fans who'll carry your ass to the finish line. I see it with Pippa, I see it with Lumi, and I am beginning to see it with Yuko. Don't get fooled by inflated numbers. HoloEN will experience a total collapse and it'll be "sudden," but all of us blessed with male autism and interests in history and politics and other stuff girls don't care about see this clearly. There's nothing new under the sun. A huge chunk of the fanbase is still operating under the mentioned sunk cost fallacy. And that is an untenable situation. It's a bubble. It'll pop. Be smart.

>>39177421
Bruh Hololive EN is dead in 2023

>>39191237
>I won't deny that Tempus is successful by stars standards
No, they are succeesful by Vtubers standards. period.
Easy top 5% streamers, once again Cover debuted a blockbuster group

Did everyone just suddenly forget that Yagoo is the reason for Holostars getting pushed?

>>39189071
i always thought Axel had the most males watching him.

>>39177421
>check link
>filtered by this one thing

>>39191833
Its not because of the songs, its because his genmates are massive headaches

>>39191993
Every single chuuba in Cover is in the top 5%, even the lowest stars JP
The holo brand is strong enough that even if you're completely boring, you're guaranteed to be in the top 5%
Same applies to nijisanji btw

>>39192216
Didn't stop Gura, Kronii, Ina, Sana, La+, Mumei

StarsEN will end up with some idiot who sexually harasses his oshi and the drama will be hilarious.

>>39191833
They don't need to say anything about open audition for the girls at the moment since EN3 is already picked.

>>39191993
300 ccv is enough to be top 1% streamers.

>>39192407

>>39192140
Axel is right behind Vesper, but the difference is still huge. Axel has less male percentage than the hololive branch.
Vesper on the other hand is peak western streamer expirience.More males than the girls

>>39192443
Stop huffing your own supply, anon.

>>39177421
Oh that means a new gen is coming out. This doesn't necessarily mean it's Holostars. Seeing as this board likes to claw their eyes out. I'll sign up just to do that

>>39177840
Eh they're expecting it.

>>39189817
Wouldn't be surprised if the contracts for the new gen are a little bit different just to prevent the current EN issues. They definitely don't want another Sana or people that just won't work.

>>39177421
the guys are actually willing to do their job but the women have femoid syndrome and check out after six months


the choice is easy

>>39192407
Then what the fuck are they waiting for? HoloExpo is only in March, so unless they just hired the 5 girls (which already would be fucking retarded after an entire year of open auditions) waiting for 3 more months when half of the roster isn't streaming will only worsen the current problems the branch is facing. EN3 should've debuted this year, no buts, no "muh Tempus overlap", no nothing, but for some fucked up reason they let their wait beat Holox and ID3's record of longest wait between gens and this is only getting stupider by the day.

>>39192790
They're prob doing the tempus thing of delaying their debut to get them to bond and have better unity.
I still stick by my rrat that 2 or 3 of the girls cannot bond for shit though and got canned as a result.

For people who supposedly don't care about males you sure can't stop talking about them

>>39192833
If there's no EN3. There's gonna be a JP or ID gen or a new branch. That kinda shows that whoever's doing the EN auditions for the girls is having trouble enough with their candidates.

>>39192370
so true sister!! #projection slayyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>39192833
they could just make it a sub-gen like Gamers if that's the case.

>>39192833
Dude, they had a whole year. Twelve fucking months. Cover was begging for male auditions just like they are doing right now in March, 3 months after the open auditions started, but there's no way in the 9 circles of hell that they weren't inundated with female candidates. If Cover wasn't able to find 5 girls who could gel together, something that FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME ISN'T NEW TO TEMPUS YOU GODDAMN NEWFAGS, then whoever is in charge of the hiring process in EN deserves a fucking bullet right between their eyes. Honestly the entire EN staff should be replaced because they've shown to be more than willing to compromise the branch and waste their market share while putting too much effort into projects that won't help the brand grow in any way in the west.

>>39191993
That's some serious cope

>>39177421
I want to audition and play a male shota even though I'm not a male

>>39193135
Ok Tranny

>>39193135
What's up Yugo? How's things?

>>39192790
Takes time to find who they want and weed out people like Sana. They also have a few months of prep time. This is common for a lot of the gens. We'll probably see them in Jan-Feb assuming there wasn't some shit. There might have been already considering the announcement they made at the start of fall about how passing auditions isn't assurance they'll be hired. Someone probably got themselves replaced.

>>39193135
Based

>>39193480
They have to filter out the people who okayed Sana in the first place. She wasn't someone who had a great audition roll and they went with her, she was a pro artist with little to no streaming experience who was Ina's friend and Cover tried to do the same thing they did for multiple HoloJP members by hiring new members from the friends circles of the current ones and have a guarantee hire that would fit well in the branch, but completely ignoring how the nepohires in HoloJP were all actual streamers who had been grinding for the better part of the early 2010's. Stop with the Sana angle bullshit because there's negative way someone like her would go through the process normally. Also, again, 12 fucking months and they couldn't find anyone good enough? Are you seriously eating this bullshit on the rusted plate Cover is giving to you? Do you seriously believe Cover has this high standards of hiring when they fucking let Sana in?

>>39193746
You should relax, anon. You sound like you're going to shit yourself.

>>39193042
Sorry, let me clarify, the first successful case was Tempus and now that they've tasted success, they want to replicate it.

>>39194336
And that's still not true, not even for Stars standards. Only if we're comparing with the rest of EN, and even then Myth was sorta united early on and Council had a pretty big arc where everyone from the branch, including Mori, played the block game together and it culminated in the construction of the EN-JP portal. Tempus might seem close right now but this will only have any validity after their first couple of anniversaries, with NePoLaBo is still the gold standard of unity, to the point a simple hand made present from Botan made Lamy cry 2 years after their debut (yeah, go on, say that those were fake tears). Also both HoloEN gens were together for the same amount of time before debut (all new gens since Gen 4/Suntempo were like that) so even if it worked better for Tempus I doubt they made significant changes to the process in their case, and again, it's been 12 months. Unless the people in charge of the hiring process are that fucking incompetent (which isn't unlikely considering the caliber of people we have for the EN staff) they should've had 5 girls who could work together pretty darn well a long time ago, and if they can't find 5 then debut a smaller gen like they did with Gamers back in the day just so that the wait doesn't get closer to 2 years.

>>39179639
i think you underestimate how much 2k subscribers is... that put him in like the top 99.999 percent of youtubers, getting more then 10 subscribers is an incredible rarity

>>39182528
It'll be mixed gender and they'll speak native Japanese, and their whole goal will be consensus cracking HoloJP into doing a lot more collabs with males.

r8 my audition:
>am an utaite
>followed Niji for a while until Miyabi and the rest of the Stars
>N2 Japanese (failed my N1 but am planning to retake)
>my concept is basically a parody PUA/Andrew Tate character
>I will do seminars to teach people how to take care of themselves /fit/ and /fa/ wise
>then zatsudan streams about gaining self-confidence and self-improvement
>then how to expand their social network and work on social skills
>and also every other stream that is usually done by the current stars (fotm games, company mandated collabs, etc.)

>>39194984
Mix of Vesper and Axel. Find a good niche like the /fit/ seminars and I'll give you a view if you make it.
Though I'd recommend not associating with Andrew Tate or trying to replicate his character.

>>39194984
Would be good if you didn't say Andrew Tate, now I think you're some asshole who thinks he's better than everyone

>>39195155
>>39195187
I don't really watch him but isn't he some PUA dude who sells courses on how to pickup chicks?

>>39195253
He is, but he's also an asshole and is suspected of child trafficking.

>>39194984
I would get rid of the "life advice" part and double down on the other stuff. A soft-spoken, happy and polite chuuba who talks about lifting and men's fashion would be cool as hell.

>>39195327
Not to mention his incredibles annoying fan base. Had a great time hearing my coworker rave about women drivers and how he listens to “top g” about everything

>>39181598
Good luck anon, wishing you the best.
Do you already have a channel?

>>39182649
You think they give a shit? Yagoo certainly doesn't, the most that'll happen is they'll start specifying Hololive En as its own separate entity maybe with a slightly different name so it's not technically Hololive anymore but still holopro, buts that a huge fucking reach, take the indie pill and learn to love whores because the holoens aren't even good at doing that

>>39177421
They are.

>>39183623
Vesper doesn't give a shit about vtubers, that dude was the most soulless, boring, clout chasing sack of ego I ever watched for 2 minutes, he clearly jumped in for the money and potential to talk to women, he almost exclusively collabed with women on his rm's account and was noticeably irritable anytime he had a collab with another guy involved to the point where his chat made fun of him for being the jealous type. He's in stars for the quick buck and a quick fuck if he can get it and he doesn't care about the consequences

>>39196905
Thanks for telling me you didn't watch his RM without telling me.

>>39191910
I agree with all this except using Idol Corp as a suggested corp, they've had two graduations already and they're still relatively new so something's going on behind the scenes there

>>39196905
what a fucking faggot of a post made by a faggot. a quick skim on his PL tells you he's just a nerd.

>>39196905
I feel pity for you so here's a reply. Hope you can kick the drug habit soon.

>>39196905
Sounds like you're projecting about yourself faggot.

>>39183581
Yeah, exactly. Dumb zoomers like the one you replied to think they can compare numbers one-on-one because he's used to places like Twitch, Twitter and TikTok padding numbers.
>omg, not even 9 million users ITT??? DEAD SITE

>>39191910
>if you're a girl who is applying for HoloEN, just don't
I'm amazed how it reached this point. With how fucking slow Cover has been with expanding HoloEN I would seriously recommend any girl willing to go corpo to just try Nijisanji for the big one and the multiple other smaller agencies, because even if try to audition for Hololive and fill all the possible quotas possible from knowing Japanese, having any kind of talent, a past of content creating and streaming experience there's still the chance that Cover just isn't interested in hiring more girls and all that effort will go to waste.

>>39185378
Are you suggesting luxury branding have anything to do with the actual quality of the product? The important part is image, and Cover has that in spades. Which group is primarily associated with vtubers worldwide? Hololive.

>>39199217
Bro, that's how it is across the board for all branches of COVER.
If you want to numberfag and be "virtual celebrities" you go to Anykara or other corpos. Yagoo doesn't give a shit and is in his own world.

>>39191691
That's probably why there are so many SEA and other poor country vtubers. Low cost of living, so any donations go a long way. Some white girl living in California would need like 10 times the success to even pay her bills.

>>39199617
Kind of correct but not a lot. A 3view with min 200 views is enough to live comfortably. Multiple streamers have gone on record to say that the ad revenue alone is enough to live, pay bills, and spend at leisure as long as you aren't literally burning the money away or shitting it out on things like designer brands monthly.

>>39194984
Terrible idea. Try to appeal to women instead.

>>39199741
Are you the guy who thinks all Holos are multimillionaires?

Holy shit why is cover like this?? Exactly who the fuck cares about homos? Give us the girls already.

>>39199538
Yagoo is so in his own world that he's letting HoloEN be completely destroyed because the people in charge have no fucking clue about how to expand the branch, or they actually don't care and are using it's resources for their pet projects. Maybe it's time for a new, less retarded CEO who actually wants to see the brand grow and help the talents, because if we go by how EN is treated Yagoo wants neither and only spends his time working on the money dump that's HoloAlt.

>>39199844
No. But even as a low tier 3view, you can make anywhere from 500 to 4000 a month, depending on how willing your viewers are to sub, send donations and watch ads.
>All holos are multimillionares
They could be but not because of streaming but because of good financial investment like Noel and property investments.

>>39177421
by holostars standards? They're doing fantastic. Yagoo loves them.

>>39177642
Vesper's ass is mine

>>39199934
EN3 will be girls only, and then the next one will be a mixed gen.

>>39187310
Nta but why would any anon who wants EN3 do that?

>>39189036
>Kronii
Vesper already left that ass gaping, she won't even feel my pecker after his massive shaft used her.

>>39190193
The loud people are the easiest to win back. The quiet ones are near impossible to get back as they just completely leave.

>>39191910
mucho texto

They already announced auditions a day after Tempus were revealed, didn't they? I remember them shitting it out there same day as the NijiEN 'male gamer' audition.

Anyway, the cumulative average viewership of all of Tempus - the first generation of a new branch - is already threatening to slip below 10K, and Vesper accounts for 40% of it. That's only 10K loyal Homo fans to be cannibalised by future generations.

3 Tempus members have similar or lower ccv than about half of ILuna and overall less donations.

>>39204923
But you see, they're the most successful Stars gen ever, so it only makes sense to push another one faster than they did with Council even if the least popular member of a HoloLIVE EN3 would be at least twice as popular as any of them. I am very smart and know everything about market tendencies.

>>39183314
How do you tourist worm your way here?

>>39177421
Cover is going to be retarded enough to only release more girls when there's enough boys, if they released EN3 now 1 single girl would be more popular than all tempus members combined but there's someone in the EN management that really wants to prove a point instead of going for something popular

>>39177421
Myth and Council dont stream

>>39203110
Kronii you already are an holo

>>39185122
Her music career is doomed as long as EN trannies stay in power

>>39192323
thta was before sana's shitshow

>>39186846
>Saw Niji new wave flopped
>Prepare to release a new wave with a high chance to flop
Someone in EN really want to kill the branch

>>39180828
hey, atleast it's better than niji no-salary

>>39186895
97%, 3% want to have gay sex with the dudes

>>39188973
They want to seduce gay men and trannies among those males with homo

Won't it make more sense to aim for Vesper clones and Holostars rejects that know English?

>>39189163
Fake and gay

>>39205752
If a StarsEN2 debuts faster than Council did then it's absolutely the management trying to prove a point. They're way more eager to push more Holostars than they were with Hololive back when they had almost complete control of the western market.

>>39205268
>debuts HoloEN3
>flops worse than Niji's female waves
What do then? This isn't pre-covid, and Myth's and Council's fans aren't going to just change oshi.

>>39206591
DYRBI that an EN3 would flop like that? Seriously? Just say you're a homobeggar and let's be done with this conversation because no one with half a brain cell truly believes in this.

>>39206591
That's not the risk they're worried about.

Cover want to go public and the sharp viewership decline with ID2, ID3 sans Kaela, Council, Tempus and half of HoloX is probably an indicator that adding more people will cannibalise the viewership somewhere and that'll make their metrics look terrible.

Take a look at Tempus' SC earnings by month and you'll see what I mean. As soon as the Holo bubble has finished throwing money at them, they all come to a dead stop in growth. Even Council.

>>39206591
One of my 1 views said it best. Viewers will always prefer big streamers and people that they are familiar with.
It just reminds me of all this begging for EN3 that has been going on. These people are too afraid to openly admit that myth and council are flopping and they also do not want to switch favorites.
All this bellyaching over holostars makes me realize that the holostar fanbase may be smaller, but i like to think they are more open for the most part.

>>39206781
And pushing that hard for another StarsEN gen won't help with the current situation. Also Council didn't do as well because they had every possible expectation put on them for being the sequel to the gen that had amassed almost 8 million subs in less than a year. There's is no way they would be as big as Myth was, especially when Cover thought fucking Sana was a good choice. If EN moved much faster and debuted Council way earlier in the year when Myth was still pretty damn popular but there wasn't this massive hype for EN2 yet then maybe they wouldn't feel as underwhelming, not to mention we would probably have EN3 much earlier as it should've been. Now it's been fucking forever since new members, a lot of the current ones lost their motivation because management is a piece of shit and actively works against them, and they can't just do new projects with the girls they already know won't help them. So everyone is losing but Cover still think pushing more fags that will 100% be less successful than any new girl is a good idea, and that only makes me wish more EN members graduate next year and completely doom the branch. Maybe then Cover will finally realize they should've done things much earlier.

>>39207196
lmao
HoloEN imploding won't matter much towards StarsEN's activity. I wish I was joking because your seething is pitiful. I have no idea why their new gen isn't ready yet, but considering audition has been open since way back (at least an announcent was made with StarsEN's audition early this year) I guess the applicants were just not adequate compared to Myth. You don't want another Council, no?
StarsEN is like an entirely different entity except they share their parent management. Their logic follows their JP predecessor, not HoloEN, which means 3view (250 and above) territory is fine and Tempus actually smashed that. Considering the standard is THAT low, they're fine with another one.

>>39207196
Cover probably see Luxiem and Noctyx in the same way AnyColor viewed Myth: they're a wealthy spring of new fans that can be poached with the right formula.

The girls are a lost cause, because literally every male V-Tuber fan knows about Hololive and has already made their decision on the individuals and the streaming environment/culture. EN3 cannot appeal to thousands of new people without cannibalising or a masterclass in avoiding stream overlaps. The boys on the other hand still have potential from a business perspective and they'll still probably launch another one or two generations to see if it bears fruit.

>>39207710
Dude, cannibalising only works if you have something to cannibalise, holoen just got no streams most of the day

>>39207710
Thing is, mister know it all business man, Tempus is already being cannibalized. 2 of them live on the line of 3view territory while another one is almost there, with only one of them having a healthy audience that doesn't fluctuate as wildly. A new StarsEN gen won't be different than the scenario you believe that'll happen for EN3 and will only make things worse for the 3 who are in danger of losing viewers. The astroturfing pro-Tempus in this board reached an insane level that they have their personal business school graduates defending Cover's retardation of pushing EN3 to god knows when while debuting more fags that won't ever be bigger than they currently are.

>>39186983
Anon, eating four whoppers without throwing up isn't a job quality Cover is looking for

>>39208190
The have no streams which is why you watch Tempus. I watched Tempus because the girls dont fucking stream and they're pretty good.

>>39177421
I will audition.
I have no chance of making it, but i don't give a shit.
If i get in i will stream.

>>39209653
>and they're pretty good
The bar for good EN vtubers reached that low now?

>>39209653
lol no, male vtubers got just the fujo market

>>39210123
>The bar for good EN vtubers reached that low now?
it's always been low. despite that no one from /here/ has ever made it.

>>39206591
No matter how bad you are on hololive EN, you will never reach 3 view status like some Niji girls

>>39208217
StarsEN get more than 500 regular viewers and they're good to go. Their standards are low.
Now if they debut HoloEN with ragtags I bet they won't even reach 300k and gets flamed instead for being blemish upon the oh-so-holy Myth generation while Myth talents give them the "do whatever you want, sisters" advice and they don't stream as a result instead. This isn't 2020-2021. Your numberfaggotry and their senpais' collective incompetence killed them before they even debuted.

>>39212472
>My numberfaggotry
Love how you think I would be one of those people. Also could you explain to me why EVERY SINGLE smaller agency saw actual good growth in this last year, even if according to the coverdrones their vtubers aren't worth of Hololive, when business faggots like you keep pushing the idea that vtubing is dying, EVERYONE is leaving and new members will cannibalize each other 100%, no chances of any other outcome? Maybe Cover should stop being so fucking scared like the retarded dinosaurs they and debut a gen with girls who actually want to do something and maybe, just fucking maybe, help them on their projects early on so that they won't feel like their efforts aren't worth because everything will be shut down by that fucking vtweeter faggot that deserves to be hanged down from his own intestines.