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Holy shit why are they all so fucking boring. Maybe I didn't watch enough of them, but I gave each debut a watch and watched at least an hour more of each chuuba's stream after that. Is there something I'm missing?

>> No.3904982

>>3904942
>Why are they all so fucking boring
I see you don't watch a lot of Nijisanji. The entire company is like that. Every Niji is boring.

>> No.3904999

>>3904942
Your brain

>> No.3905052

>>3904942
Entertainment is subjective

>> No.3905057

>>3904942
Oof those subs numbers

>> No.3905074

>>3904942
How is Elf so far behind.

>> No.3905082

3904982
Nice bait, but needs a bit more effort.

>> No.3905187

They're more mediocre than what I was expecting. Probably initial hype leading up to debut setting certain expectations. Pomu and Elira have potential to grow but Finana kind of blew it and I don't see her recovering. I'm still giving them the month to improve before I decide if I want to drop and unsubscribe from them.

>>3905057
Why? Those are a lot more subs than many of the lower members of the other branches that isn't JP.

>> No.3905279

>>3905082
Good thing it wasn't bait then. I really did want to like them, and was asking why other people do

>> No.3905323

>>3905057
It's going to be really funny when HoloEN Gen 2 has more subs than NijiEN before they even debut. I'm going to have a massive giggle and dab on the Nijiniggers when that happens.

>> No.3905388

>$300k worth of ads spent
>less than 100k subs
OH NO NIJINIGGER BROS HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO US???

>> No.3905430

>>3904942
Pomu is alright but underwhelming considering the hype on here . Fiana and the brapfish are shit to me. Idk seems they wanna act like vshojo but still do all the idol stuff which to me is lame.

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>>3904942
Maybe try watching them for at least a month, give'em some time to settle down. If they're still lacking something in your opinion then move on

>> No.3905502

Why is nijisanji so souless?

>> No.3905512

>>3904942
go fuck yourself with you stupid bait post, faggot

>> No.3905519

they still new, give them time to be degens

>> No.3905585

>>3905519
I was just hoping for some... Enthusiasm? Seems like they all fill the "comfy stream" archetype. But I'll take your advice to heart. Pomu definitely has the most energy though.

>> No.3905602

>>3904942
It's been a couple of days. Most chubas start out boring and then settle in. Though I really only seem to care to watch the dragon tb.h.

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>> No.3905679

>>3904942
fish is really good, she almost got into holoEN, she's the closest you will ever get to hololive's quality from nijisanji livers. her having the most subs despite failed debut prove this.
if you like hololive and want to give nijisanji a try i recommend to watch the fish

>> No.3905705 [DELETED] 

>>3905602
Same here Dragonfriend.

Mostly waiting for her 1st Karaoke on the whether or not to unsub

>> No.3905754

>>3905602
Same here Dragon friend. Mostly just waiting for her 1st Karaoke if I decide to unsub or not.

>> No.3905823

>>3905679
She almost got into Hololive?? I didn't know that

>> No.3905878

>hololive
mori is cringe
gura is boring
kiara is whore
ame has no talent

>> No.3905939

What nijisanji failed to understand is the exact same thing that all those halo killers and wow killers and cod killers back in the day didn't get, which is that you cannot compete with the industry leader by offering the same product they are offering with minor differences.
What they should've done is emphasised the qualities that made them different from hololive, namely their more whacky character designs and male vtubers. It would have been riskier but they would have a greater chance of attracting an audience that isn't already invested into hololive. Instead they just copied hololive wholesale right down to the fantasy themes and idol trappings. What possible reason could there be for someone who's already invested into hololive to check out someone who is best described as "discount hololive"? Maybe if they are really bored and want to give them a chance, but that's it. By going down this path, they've ensure that they'll always be in hololive's shadow.

>> No.3905950

>>3905602
>Most chubas start out boring and then settle in.

For most good ones, you can see the spark of something good right from the start.

>> No.3905957

>>3905823
yes she got the finalist experience with them, just listen to her voice, it's unique and pleasant to the ear, the type of voice hololive usually hire. if only she auditioned for EN2 im pretty sure she'll got in.

>> No.3905962

>>3905878
Fucking takos man

Why is it always takos

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>>3905962
its not a tako, its an ika!

>> No.3906093

>>3905939
yea, fish seems like she shouldnt try to be an idol with all the times she blurts out something out loud. desu when she does that is the best moments

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>>3904942
Elira gives me nice chill vibes. Same category as Ina, but "same category" in the way that both Call of Duty and Doom are categorized as "first person shooters". Also she has a pretty cute laugh.
>Is there something I'm missing?
Hey, not everything is for everyone. Hopefully some future Niji group will be more to your liking.

>> No.3907099

>>3904942
gave them an honest shot too but very underwhelming

absolutely soulless

>> No.3907144

>>3904942
Entertainment is something that's not easy to get right the first time. Let them have some time get in the groove of things and get things settled.

>> No.3907750

>>3904942
I kinda expected to see more hype from Nova and Mint's fans. There was the day they debuted but I haven't seen much since. I could've just missed it tho.

>> No.3907829 [DELETED] 

>>3905878
Based tako

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>>3905878
tell them tako

>> No.3907945

I still find it funny how hard /vt/ was trying to push the fish as the next Kiara, but now she's the one with most subs.

>> No.3908088

>>3905878
>>3907829
>>3907933
And ina is a gook whos parents shouldve died in the korean war

>> No.3908105

>>3905939
>Fantasy settings and singing belongs to hololive

Wrong, the only reason they get compared to hololive is because they are part of a big company that also has JP vtubers the same as the Holo EN branch. If the situations were reversed people would be calling HoloEN discount Niji.

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>>3905878

>> No.3908122

no one on this thread watches nijisanji, thank you for the bait

>> No.3908125

>>3904982
Not Hayama Marin (my girlfriend)

>> No.3908159

>>3904942
Why are you retards like this? Gura debut was complete trash saved only by her song. Her Maneater stream was a fucking disaster.

All of those girls are new. Besides fairy they also seem like actual kids probably as old as Shion when she started.

Those numbers are still 10x better than what they would get as indies too.

>> No.3908186

>>3905878
Watching Hololive girls play games is physically painful. They are all so fucking bad holy shit.

>> No.3908216

>>3905939
It's the first generation. Nijis are just not as known as Holos on english side.

>> No.3908285

Pomu is the best one by far and has the least subs and views
This company is a fucking joke and Nijiniggers seriously just want to watch boring normie bitches watch paint dry

>> No.3908304

Pomu is great so far. Dragon is underwhelming but might just need some time to get comfortable whereas fish seems pretty bad and doesn't seem like she has it in her.

>> No.3908313

>>3907750
I'm happy Mint's back but it feels like something is missing? Might be trying to be a little too different and is outside her comfort zone.

But overall yeah niji en is doing worse than I thought they would.

>> No.3908349

>>3904942
>why are they all so fucking boring
Because they're basic copy and paste western e-girls with the most dull typical personalities and tastes. Are you that surprised?

>> No.3908619

>>3907945
They're all the next Kiara

>> No.3908643

>>3905502
They tried what they can to get into the english market, but it's impossible to get the organic growth that hololive had. You can't really beat word of mouth and countless translation channels with ads. Everything they do now comes off as either not doing enough or desperate.
I remember a few months ago I saw vtuber reaction channels saying that nijisanji emailed them to react to some of their english translated clips. In hindsight they were trying to prepare the groundwork for the EN branch, it's just sad really.

>> No.3908948

>>3904942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km3mNeGzkCo
>not even in the /jp/ server
Not only they're discount Holos they're repeating HoloENs same mistakes

>> No.3908975

>>3905957
Damn, must feel real shit to be so close to making it, and then losing it all.
Then again, if she was in EN1 I don't know if HoloEN would have blew up the way it was today. EN1 members are way too good.

>> No.3909012

>>3908948
is she playing in the global server?

>> No.3909015

>>3908643
They even had one of the “main” Hololive react channels do a video and it didn’t really do anything lol

>> No.3909414

>>3905957
too bad she's a boring streamer
pomu best

>> No.3909455

>>3904942
you should give each of them at least 100 hours as a chance

>> No.3909522

>>3905957
>it's unique and pleasant to the ear
On the NijiEN stream she just sounded like she was doing the generic Nyanners clone voice which desu makes my blood boil every time I hear it

>> No.3909659

>>3908975
Depends on who she lost to. If it was Ame, then yeah I could understand your point. But if it was Kiara, I think things would’ve been better.

>> No.3909703

Honestly, i was looking forward to do some tribalposting for fun whilst watching them, but i couldn't really be bothered, like hell, i would rather be searching for weird indies whilst listening to Rocket Girl clap like an autist about space launches.

>> No.3909727

>>3904982
Not Machita Chima (my daughter)

>> No.3909900

>>3909727
Sorry to break it to you but there are no exceptions to this rule. Sorry to have to break the news to you in this way.

>> No.3909943

>>3909900
I know this is hard for you to understand, but you're wrong. It's okay though, take it as a learning experience.

>> No.3910018

>>3908105
Fantasy settings don't belong to WoW either but there is a reason none of the fantasy mmos made during WoW's heyday ever took off.

>> No.3910148

>>3908105
>Fantasy settings and singing belongs to hololive
See >>3910018
>If the situations were reversed people would be calling HoloEN discount Niji.
Yeah and if wishes were fishes we'll all be rich. Fact of the matter is hololive did popularise both the idol concept and the fantasy setting and if you come out with a gen of fantasy themed chuubas who sing you will be compared to hololive and you probably won't look good

>> No.3910163

>>3909015
I still wonder if they actually paid him

>> No.3910251

>>3908948
there are no restrictions preventing her joining the main Niji server, Ban was going to check it out on stream a couple days ago but it was down

>> No.3910271

>>3905388
>300k
Ouch, is there proof of this? It may be pretty hard to recover that investment

>> No.3910379

>>3905939
>video games analogy from tribalistnigger
damn I wonder which board do you come from

>> No.3910412

>>3910271
No, just estimates based off the reach they've gotten and how much it costs per ad, which is usually 300 dollars per thousand views. They definitely spent alot of money on it though, anywhere between 90k to 300k

>> No.3910452

>>3910379
>deflecting because you can't find an argument
Bury your head in the sand more, I'm sure the dirt tastes real good down there

>> No.3910482

>>3910379
What do you think the v in vt stands for?

>> No.3910488

>>3910412
It was 300k (high end) just with the debut ad campaign, don’t think anyone tracked when they started doing and ad campaign for the music video.

>> No.3910513

>>3908186
Watch Bora if you want to see a chuuba who's actually good at games
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1ZV7KBscK0EMoJKFu1DnDg

>> No.3910529

>>3910513
Towa...

>> No.3910580

No loli, doomed.

>> No.3910616

>>3910379
Just because it uses a video game analogy doesn't mean it isn't a good point, if what you offer is just what the competitor is offering but with slight differences then you will be seen as discount x unless your product is self evidently superior

>> No.3910657

>>3910271
No. >>3910412 for example is using $300 per 1k views, which is on the extremely high end already. Ads nowadays on Youtube can run as low as 1c, average should be 10c. At 10c, they've likely spent at 100k-150k across the debut video and song, assuming like 1m views on the debut are from ads (probably won't know but it seems likely).

>> No.3910730

>>3910580
the fish, should've been the loli, her voice fit really well but nijisanji is too much of a pussy for it.

>> No.3910767

>>3910730
She even is a loli on the character sheet but her character is just the exact same slender b cup as the other two

>> No.3910779

>>3910767
no cunny. doomed.

>> No.3910890

>>3909659
companies audition in pools per character type. she probably lost to gura for loli pool

>> No.3911158

>>3905512
Cope seethe and dilate in that order

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3911237

> Subbed and membered to countless HoloEN and JP tubers
> Enjoy the Blue dragon, subbed to her too
Tribalism is for faggots and chinks. Enjoyers keep winning and will keep winning. Have a good day.

>> No.3911273

>>3911237
Yeah but how many of them do you actually watch tho?

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>>3911237
DD LOVE

>> No.3911404

>>3911273
I watch all the vods and lives of the ones I'm membered to and catch the vods of the others later. My watch later list is currently 15 hours. Its also fair to say that I'm completely NEET so it helps a lot.

>> No.3911458

>>3910452
>>3910616
>Tribalist completely ignoring the whole entertainment sphere
You all do realize there is more than one rock band right? More than one video game streamer? More than one book with a fantasy setting? Your only argument falls apart when you take into account people can like two of the same thing without fighting like niggers about it.

>> No.3911553

>>3911286
Will she Collab with PewDiePie? Kek

>> No.3911557

>>3911404
Well good for you, not everyone has 15 hours a day to drop on watching vtubers and for us plebs we have to draw a line somewhere, and tribal lines are as good as any

>> No.3911619

>>3904942
Nijisanji has seemingly told them to not go of the rails, clearly taking a page from the holo book.
They didn't dare take the same risks with the en branch as they do with their jp one.
But considering who they hired, it'll probably change over time.
I wouldn't give up on them just yet

>> No.3911667

>>3905878
stop pretending takos onegai

>> No.3911699

>>3911557
You can prefer to watch one person without spending every waking moment shitposting about how one company is better than the other

>> No.3911734

>>3911458
Your rock band and book analogy fails because they do not generate more content every single day that you have to keep up with and consume. Following chuubas is akin to being invested into an mmo, if you're playing one you typically don't have time to play another, and if you are already having trouble keeping up with a group of streamers and their extended friend group, why would you jump over to another group of completely unrelated streamers who by all accounts appear to be a discount version of the ones you already follow?

This is where the differentiation comes in because if nijien is notably different in some way from hololive it might entice some people to jump over for the novelty factor and also attract other people who are attracted to the thing they offer, but because they just ape HoloEN this doesn't happen

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>>3911557
> Not going either full Gosling for either one girl or all of them.
Stop trying to convince yourself that any tribalism is warranted. Your Oshi wouldnt want that and the JPnikis are LITTERALLY laughing about how tribalists are a bunch of losers. Keep that in mind and don't (you) me I got streams to catch. Laters Tribalfags!

>> No.3911816

>>3911745
>JPnikis are LITTERALLY laughing about how tribalists are a bunch of losers.
Jpniki are the biggest tribalist of them all, the whole rivalry between niji and Holo is a jp thing in the first place which /jp/ aped because they wanted to be Japanese that badly, and then the rivalry got huge enough that actual damage was done to the chuubas, and everything after that is just grudges and newfags following blindly

>> No.3911839

>>3911745
You sound like a tourist

>> No.3911843

In my humble but correct opinion, Hololive got lucky the Youtube algorithm picked it up back in 2019. That is literally the only reason Hololive is as big as it is now. Since no one really knows how to make the algorithm like you, it's pretty much just luck.

>> No.3911880

>>3904942
I've not watched one second of this, but this is very common on vtubers debuts. They take a long time before they get into the swing of things and their personalities start to shine.

That's why even though I wasn't particularly impressed with the HoloEN girls, I know they had a lot of potential, and I've not been disappointed with their growth so far.

>> No.3911883

>>3908349
Pomu has more refined tastes than half the anons on this board, probably including (you)

>> No.3911892

>>3911843
The youtube algorithm picked up both Holo and Nijis back then, the difference is that the holos followed up in the algorithm breakthrough while the nijis just ignored it, and here we are.

>> No.3911907

>>3911237
what a chad

>> No.3911917

>>3911883
Shit is still shit no matter how much you refine it.

>> No.3911933

>>3911892
True. I remember saw roa clip long tome ago among holoclips.

>> No.3911955

>>3911917
If you think Umineko and Kana Little Sister are shit you don't belong on this board.

>> No.3912068

>>3911955
Crawl back to the /jp/nijisanji thread and shill her refined tastes there if you like them that much. This is /vt/ not /jp/, unless she has DMC in there somewhere her tastes are shit

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>>3911883
Actually true

>> No.3912104

>>3912068
>unless she has DMC in there somewhere her tastes are shit
So the fish? Then either way you agree that at the very least one of them has good taste, congrats.

>> No.3912111

>>3912068
Was school pog today?

>> No.3912115

>>3911892
Niji at no point had even half as many clippers and subbers as Holo, and cover themselves never "folowed up" on anything it was all chinks trying to profit with their clip channels creating the snowball effect

>> No.3912121

>>3912104
Who?

>> No.3912156

>>3912121
Why are you trying to argue that these girls are shit if you aren't even familiar with them on a surface level?

>> No.3912186

>>3912115
Yeah that will be why they had a localisation department and were the first to debut and en branch ahead of anyone else, and no Niji's fucking pajeets don't count.

>> No.3912244

>>3912068
You have to be 18 to post here.

>> No.3912264

>>3912244
Wrong, this is a teen board.

>> No.3912274

>>3912156
Sorry I must have missed the debut on the 16th.

>> No.3912303

>>3912244
Welcome to /vt/, if you don't like it you're free to crawl back to your squatters den back in /jp/

>> No.3912306

>>3905679
If she almost got in she in she would have went for Gen 2 rather than settle for Nijisanji. If, theoretically, she got into the deeper rounds her almost complete lack of content creation experience would have doomed her well before the final choices. If she got told "go do some more stuff, come back later" joining Niji makes sense.

>> No.3912315

>>3912264
>>3912303
how old are you two exactly

>> No.3912346

>>3912264
>>3912303
God, it's not even peak summerfag yet. How much worse is this board about to get.

>> No.3912358

>>3912315
Old enough

>> No.3912388

>>3905679
I love fish but she is fucking stupid and a much better pick for Nijisanji. She is inexperienced and has no filter. She responded to a guy spamming "I love poop" in chat yesterday and does things like admitting to pirating anime and referencing drugs without a second thought. She'd have already graduated or been forced into a temporary suspension if she were there.

>> No.3912395

>>3910890
They audition for talent type, not necessarily character. Obviously they won't have 5 people with loli-style voices, or 5 people that mostly just draw or something, it's redundant. If Gura didn't apply and there had been another phenomenal singer that didn't do a loli voice, that singer would have got in and there would be 0 lolis.

>> No.3912400

>>3912315
>>3912346
This is a teen hobby, if you are 20+ and still into this honestly just kick the chair already.

>> No.3912432

>>3912346
>implying schools are still open
You've heard of eternal September, not get ready for eternal summer

>> No.3912478

>>3912400
all of the streamers in this hobby are older than you

>> No.3912505

>>3912478
And literally none of them act their age, proving my point.

>> No.3912528

>>3912505
you're too young to even know what a 25 year old acting their age means

>> No.3912546

>>3912528
ok boomer

>> No.3912584

>>3912400
>hobby entirely subsistent on donations and subscriptions is for people who have no money
No, seriously, you have to be 18 to post even on blue boards. Go away.

>> No.3912594

>>3904942
You are spoiled by Holo en gen 1 every girl there is so good even kiara

>> No.3912601

>>3904982
Not Mito (my prostitute)

>> No.3912628

>>3912584
>what is mom's credit card

>> No.3912640

>>3912115
Cover very quickly shifted to being more English friendly when they started seeing a sizable portion of their audience was coming from overseas anon. there was noticeable uptick in holos learning english, doing english only streams, and acknowledging english translated clips. all nijisanji did was rebrand their indians as EN and call it a day.

>> No.3912692

>>3904942
I think they're pretty boring but HoloEN are also pretty boring and I'm pretty sure 95% of this board just like HoloEN because they're too newfag to know anything else

>> No.3919325

I don't understand why people are so quick to paint NijiEN as the true enemy when Vsh*ujo exists.

>> No.3919371

>>3912584
Anime girl roleplayers are for grown men lets goooooooo

>> No.3919467

>>3904982
Not Yuzuki Roa (please come back)

>> No.3921501

>>3919371
This but unironically

>> No.3924588

>>3911619
And that's why they'll always be in hololive's shadow. You can't surpass the industry leader by poorly aping it.

>> No.3924827

>>3904982
You don’t watch them either if you think they’re all boring, faggot.

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4chan has been telling me Pomu is /ourgirl/ so that is what I follow. However, she has not had good choices of games so far. I mean, she could be streaming Touhou on lunatic and pretty much all /jp/ would be watching, but she's stuck playing baby games.

>> No.3925171

>>3924588
>Poorly Apeing it
Clipchama...

>> No.3925232

>>3925010
She hasn't even been streaming for a full week yet /v/tard-kun

>> No.3925280

>>3919325
Vshojo weren't responsible for the holocaust and Aloe quitting.

>> No.3925313

>>3904982
Not Chigusa Nishizono (my future wife)

>> No.3925353

>>3925280
So they and NijiEN have that in common.

>> No.3925381

>>3904942
HOLO REJECTS

>> No.3925438

>>3911619
>>3924588
watch finana RE stream, they're nothing like hololive, they're closer to vshoujo if anything, some of her quote
>did the thingy
>im huge bottom
>sit on my face will you
>Shitty titty litty bitty
>guys and girls make up all the genders
and many more sexual innuendo and curse words

>> No.3925514

>>3925438
Lol you didn't even watch the stream, that last one is a misquote some guy in the Nijisanji EN thread heard, you just parroted what you read there.

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TRIBALISM HATE

>> No.3925680

>>3925514
anonchama why you like this, i did that to bait (You) and to make people check out the stream...

>> No.3925710

>>3905461
I think is better if he watches it after a month, so the girls get their shit together, watching something you don't like for a whole month is painful.

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>>3925680
They're not gonna watch the stream if you call her a Vshojo whore dumbass. Shill Finana properly by showing her cute traits.

>> No.3925797

>>3925785
I love my autistic fish wife

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>>3910779
>>3910767
>>3910730
>no cunny. doomed.
I'm crying, but not of Uoh...

>> No.3926159

>>3912395
Gura didn't sing for them once during auditions.

>> No.3926187

>>3904942
i didnt like holoEN that much, nijiEN seems promising. They're gonna make it.

>> No.3926240

>>3904982
Based and redpilled

>> No.3926249

>taiwan
tongzhimen...bu yao

>> No.3926606

>>3925010
G...Gura, your DMC5 difficulty....

>> No.3926989

They haven't been out a month yet, you jerk! Give them time to bloom, ok?

>> No.3927085

They are cute but havent done rally anything interesting. People.here like pomu for her taste but she sucks when trying to do gaming streams and cant carry them. She is probably the least entertaining of the three when streaming a shame since she has good state but as expexted from a /jp/sie

>> No.3927254

I think Pomu is the most interesting to listen to and watch.

Dragon is ok too.

Fish is super stiff though.

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>> No.3927577

>>3927311
ugly feet

>> No.3927733

>>3926989
well rip tomorrow..

>> No.3928201

>>3927254
Fish has the weight of dropping the ball on debut day

>> No.3928558

>>3925232
I dobut that anon's a /v/tard if he can namedrop Touhou. Does /v/ even acknowledge Touhous' existence?

>> No.3928622

>>3925381
99% female vtubers are holo rejects lets be honest

>> No.3928767

seeing the NijiEN girls getting to 50k on 1 week does seem interesting, but how the fuck did Gura skyrocket to 2M in less than a year? did she rrat herself from her past life?

>> No.3929087

>>3928558
/v/ talks more about touhou gameplay than /jp/ does

>> No.3929230

>>3928622
this is quite sad...

>> No.3929363

>>3928622
is that 1% Veibae who swears she would turn down Hololive if they offered?

>> No.3929536

>>3925785
Well she makes weird noises swears constantly and is a completionfag. Hope that works.

>> No.3930575

>>3904942
I'll give them some time. After Amelia fucking Watson, I don't judge too much from debuts alone anymore.

>> No.3930749

>>3928767
Ironic weebs. Many of them from anitubers. I bet at least 1m are dead subs though

>> No.3930816

>>3929363
If she wasn't a bitch I would commend her for not selling out.

>> No.3930911

>>3925010
>Touhou on lunatic
2bh people here have been over-exaggerating that point. She said she was able to do Lunatic years ago and it was probably only on one version. She's still extremely based though

>> No.3930968

>tfw no noor, aadya nor vihaan

feels bad for the og niji en

>> No.3931005

>>3905430
I noticed this as well. Their lore and setup from Niji are seiso idols, but they immediately undermined that by acting like Vshoujo on twitter. I understand at a certain level all of this shit is acting, but it really does feel like they are being way too disingenuous and letting the curtain drop in the name of attention.

>> No.3931034

>>3905679
Why did Niji go with such difficult names for their EN characters? Gura, Watton, Kiara... easy names. Finana Ryugu? Pomu Rainpuff? Elira Pendora? I don't get what they were thinking with such easily forgettable names.

>> No.3931153

Can we please not tribalpost for one day considering the recent events?

>> No.3931181

>>3904942
All three are better than the majority of Hololive EN. They're actually cute and down to Earth rather than obnoxious.

>> No.3931183

>>3931005
>Their lore and setup from Niji are seiso idols
Antis proving again they don't watch streams. Pomu has said multiple times that she isn't an idol. No, singing and dancing alone does not an idol make.

>> No.3931211

>>3908643
Niji's problem is their entire model is fundamentally flawed for the way Youtube works. They employ a pseudo-independent-contractor approach where they're mostly hands-off other than providing streaming rights and providing networking for collabs/models.

The talents feel distant and collabs are left up to them, and many of them lean heavily on membership streams which don't hit the Recommended algorithm then.

Which means less overall growth, less video for clippers to work with since clipping member streams is a faux pas, etc.

Meanwhile Hololive feels kinda like a big family or 765 Production etc. Nearly all of their video isn't behind membership paywalls so they get Recommended exposure constantly, tons of clipping, etc.

>> No.3931240

>>3931034
Why call them by their full names? Just call them Fina, Pomu, and Eli

>> No.3931447

>>3928767
I'm sure at least some of it was picking up subs from her past life. But IMHO I think mostly she's just good at interacting with the audience. She's mostly wholesome while also being an endearing kind of goofy. She leaned into her lore with the shark facts early on. Most importantly: She knows how to be conversational while playing games instead of having awkward dead-air.

I would also be interested to see her age demo analytics, because I've heard her Minecraft streams have been featured on Youtube Kids as well. Which could explain how she has such a subscriber lead over the other EN girls, yet Calli ties or beats her in superchat donations.

>> No.3931715

>>3931183
Get over yourself. I said the lore and setup by Niji was seiso idols. What part about them being dubbed LazuLight and debuting with an idol MV orchestrated by Niji makes what I said inaccurate?

Obviously their conduct indeed shows they aren't idols and not going to be seiso. But honestly, if I wanted Vshoujo/thots I would just go to twitch. Everyone is free to watch who they like, but I don't watch vtubers for that sort of behavior so they made a bad first impression with me.

>> No.3931736

>>3931447
She knows how to play her audience, and she knows what her audience wants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9egHX_06E8

basically years of experience

>Calli ties or beats her in Superchat

Kiara beats them both iirc, Kiara and Calli are the super earners for HoloEN in terms of Superchat.

I'd be more inclined in saying that Calli is "special" in that her audience are people that might have a background in music and music production, while Kiara cultivated a culture around her Superchat streams, which in turn makes her audience superchat more to hear more of her stories/tangents

According to this though:>>/vt/thread/S2713927#p2742848

Calli and Gura are the most efficient when it comes to money earned over time spent streaming.

>> No.3931815

>>3931715
>Get over yourself. I said the lore and setup by Niji was seiso idols
And you'd be wrong about that. They sang. Nothing about that specifically spells out "seiso idols". Them not being idols does not immediately make them whores. Them not acting pure 100% of the time does not equate to talking about sucking cocks 100% of the time like Vshojo does. There is a huge gap inbetween "Hololive" and "Vshojo", and that is where they lie between.

>> No.3931914

>>3931715
So I take it you don't watch Hololive?

>> No.3932170

>>3931815
As per Nijisanji official PR info:
>Their story begins now.
In search for the Heart’s Melody, LazuLight journeys through the present.
Like diamond lights guiding to rainbow skies...

>Elira Pendora is "a sky dragon who came from the heavens closest to the sun. She has the kindness and receptiveness that makes the light of a sunny day fall equally on all."

> Pomu Rainpuff is "a fairy who lived in a lush forest. Supple like a flower in the breeze, cheerful and optimistic."

>Finana Ryugu is "a mermaid who spends her time with tropical fish in the sea of coral reefs. Has a heart as clear and pure as the calm and beautiful sea."

Clearly not promoted as wholesome and seiso. Nope, not at all.

>> No.3932358

>>3932170
Funny work around you have there. You said seiso *idol*. Here's how Nijisanji wrote the description for their actual idol vtuber -
>A new idol who appears in the virtual world. She hopes to gain experience as an idol and be active in a variety of fields in the future. Her favorite foods are sweets and tea.
Almost as if they'd just come out and say it if they intended them to be idols in the first place, huh. Also, none of that is inaccurate regarding their personalities at all, and none of it beyond Finana's heart being "pure" specifically points out "seiso", unless you think a whore with a kind personality and cheerful disposition is seiso as well.

>> No.3934065

what a fucking shit thread.
In all fields it goes.

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