/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>39003152
face it anon if and when en3 debuts its just going to be another case of ungrateful western whores

>>39003152
Tempus is EN3. Omega never even considered have a boy and a girl gen in the same year when holopro needs streamers. Honestly, the best way to make them understand seems to be to anti the boys like how JP mindbroke Miyabi.

>>39003152
EN 3 is tempus dumbass

>>39003152
>Why is EN3 taking so fucking long
Why do you care? Honest question.Fon't you hang out around here because you're already watchong someone? How many do you need?

Hololive is not Nijisanji. New Gen will come when it's ready. Quality over quantity.

>>39003543
>Fon't you hang out around here because you're already watchong someone?
I used to, then she just gradually became a bitch to her fans and eventually just stopped streaming. I'm in a perpetual search for a new oshi but most small corpos are either boring or have blatant red flags, same with indies.

>>39003612
This has been the longest fucking gap between gens in any of the branches. We're long, LONG overdue for a new gen, and the current state of EN shows it really needs one right now.

>>39003152
There isn't going to be one.
The entire EN branch has been rapidly collapsing on itself. It will probably cease to exist by the end of 2023.

they're also on sick breaks lmao

>>39003482
>like how JP mindbroke Miyabi.
qrd?

>EN3 debuts
>streams at the same time with other ENs
>gets sick at the same time with other ENs
>barely streams
>nothing is solved

>>39003152
Its going to be early next year now, probably before - or announced at - Holofes

>>39003152
>muh burnout burden
Burnout from what? Streaming less than nijiEN on average despite there being more nijiENs? And let's not even start comparing them to holoJP or even ID.

Actual answer. Tempus isn't holoen3. Cover think holoen3 will be huge just like jp3 and id3 were. They are taking their time to look at members from Europe especially and at least one large name from a previous life. I suspect the reason it hasn't come by now is either they haven't found enough members to reach the quality level they are looking for or more likely there have been drop outs and issues with the new applicants they've chosen. But I also suspect they will debut in march during holofes. It will be a huge announcement and cover will put a lot of effort into this one unlike council.

>>39003152
Tempus is EN3.
Enjoy waiting till 2023 for EN4 which will be a mixed debut.

>>39003152
>Why is EN3 taking so fucking long?
You know exactly why that is

>>39003612
The coverdrone cope arrived. There won't be any quality left when every single worthwhile pick goes to other agencies or decides to stay indie while the only ones left are those who don't have the competency for either so they chose to rot away waiting for Cover to hire them. Also you keep pushing this Holo is not Niji bullshit when HoloJP had more than twice as many member than HoloEN at the same age, and if you're willing to count another month then that number is almost 3 times as big. But sure, HoloEN is at a perfectly healthy place right now with 70% of it's roster either sick, on a break or completely MIA. I really hope there's another graduation before EN3 just to see if you retards continue to push the same cope.

>>39003152
lets chop off gaijins and focus on our local camwhores, shall we?

>>39003152
With the amount of talents getting sick in EN, I doubt it.
They'll give the go signal when everyone is alright, mostly everyone.

>>39003313
incoming all 5 girls are definitely pro-Tempus

>>39004345
yes, fucking finally someone with common sense

i have no interest in EN3 because tempiss

>>39003152
The ones in charge want you to watch Tempus even if it kills holoEN by pure boredom

>>39003152
Why do you want another gen of girls who'll get spoiled off their sub count, become lazy and ghost their streaming job 3 months after debut?

>>39003482
Your strats are old-fashioned and 2020. Did you miss the part where Cover is now doubling down on making money off anti lawsuits?

>>39010365
You’re a bonehead if you think they have any power to sue anonymous people on the internet, I agree with him that if the girls won’t stop collabing with them, then we just need to anti tempiss twice as hard

>>39010525
>Anonymous strats
Good luck trying to get anyone on your side with such a safe, slow method. By the time you do any damage, it'll be too late.

>>39004345
>looking for quality
>from Europe
lmao

>>39003152
>Another EN3 begging thread
>People are still too afraid to admit they gave up on Myth and Council
The only way out is 1-2 views and Cover does not want to bother with 1-2 views. Have fun with lazy whores.
Fact of the matter is that the only EN's that are streaming are Tempus and that alone makes them the best EN branch.

>>39003612
>Quality over quantity
>When the supposed quality doesn't even stream
LOL

>>39004345
Anon, the rrat of them announcing EN3 during HoloFes is fucking retarded. Last year they announced UpRoar at HoloFes, but do you know who they didn't announce? ID3 despite debuting literally days after HoloFes. At best they'll announce JP7 at HoloFes. As to why they haven't debuted EN3 I have a feeling that Cover is losing confidence in the Western market and are just waiting to see how the financials for this year go because as a reminder there is the "sad thing" that Kiara felt the need to warn us about coming in spring.

>>39003152
EN are fucking failures, just watch JP instead

>>39011555
There's a thing that next HoloExpo will be after Japan opened it's borders for foreigners so the western presence will be bigger, and while probably not by much it still will be a more international event unlike last years being nigh-Japanese exclusive. Also when did Kiara mentioned anything about sad thing happening on spring? If this isn't a "it was revealed to me in a dream" deal then it could mean someone's graduation (probably Ina's) since it's after HoloFes/Expo, and if it's actually that then Cover need to debut an EN3 as fast as possible unless they're ready to call it quits and give up the western market after dominating it for almost an entire year, which would be fucking retarded of their part but Cover is not known for making intelligent decisions.

>>39011555
>literally own the western vtuber market 2 years ago
>all they needed to do is hire more talents to absorb all the best of the best to keep the momentum up
>2 years later
>"losing confidence in the western market"

It's sad to see how badly mismanagement can kill something.

>>39003152
Cover is quietly shutting down the english branch

>>39012799
Bad mismanagement is a understatement in this case. HoloEN's staff is only slightly above Mel's old manager because we've yet to see any form of harassment coming from them. Otherwise they're worse than Gen 5's early managers because at least those fucks were low tier workers who got quickly replaced after Aloe's graduation, while I doubt the people in charge of HoloEN are in any danger of losing their jobs outside of Cover shutting the branch like they did with HoloCN.

>>39011921
Funny thing is, people point to NUMBERS, ans yeah EN has lost a bit of their viewership, but there are plenty of JP who end up getting similar numbers. I don't think the EN market is as strong in the long run as the JP market is, but post bandwagon (which is where we're kind of starting to hit now) the numbers will slowly bleed away at worst and increase a little bit at best from more exposure with other memes/clips.

>>39003313
Maybe we will be lucky and get 5 japanese hags, there is hope. But i'll drop every native speaker during debut, if i learned something, it's that you can't trust native anglo-saxon Vtubers.

>>39013211
It's obvious that the EN market will never be as strong as the JP one, but Cover definitely fucked things for themselves after not acting faster when they were completely dominating it back in late 2020/early 2021. The branch could've been in a much better place if they had a more consistent flow of new talent and tried to be closer to HoloJP's number of members around the same time. They took too long to debut CouncilRyS, are taking an eternity to debut EN3 and will need to speed things up for at least EN4 or a smaller, Gamers-like gen because who knows how much long half of Myth has before they leave.

>>39013739
It's crazy to me that you think anyone other than Ina will leave. I'm not going to comment on stream frequency because it can get pretty dicey sometimes and more often than not weeks where Kiara doesn't stream seem almost non-existant for Myth, but there's no way the other 4 are looking to leave asap. Myth themselves say they never expected it to be very big so the explosion they got from the start was a nice surprise for them, but if any of them thought those numbers would last, they're retarded. As for pptions outside of their Holo career, I think they'd be putting too little faith in the name brand and I don't think any odf them are stupid enough to think they could pull the same numbers alone.

>>39003152
Cover EN is just as reliable as their streamers.

>>39003482
>>39003530
>>39004448
If tempus is EN3 explain why they'll never take part in holofes?

>>39003152
It's either a money shortage or talent shortage. Looking at their finances an the fes. coming up it's obviously not the money so it's most likely that none of the auditions were to their liking or they couldn't get enough to make a 5 member gen debut before the year end.

>>39013959
Brand recognition is all and good but if the EN management continues to be utterly incompetent then people would rather lose some of their revenue just so they don't need to deal with their bullshit anymore, not to mention anything could happen in a year so even those who we're certain that will never leave might end up changing their minds because of some unexpected event. I'd rather not think about a scenario like that, but I still firmly believe that ENs 3 and 4 need to come out much faster than even Myth and Council did to guarantee the health of the branch and prepare it for the moment any of them graduate.

>>39003152
Why should Cover waste time and money on a 3rd gen knowing that EN talent is just going to give a half-ass effort, phone it in and take 75% of the year off?

>>39014241
I'm right there with you that EN3 should be right around the corner, but they don't need to go the Niji route. I want to remind you that you see a lot more of the complaints of the talents around here in the EN sphere because everyone (for the most part) who posts here speaks English and not many speak Japanese. On top of that, Westerners are more open to stating their discontent with higher-ups than Japs are.

>>39014075
Sub human unicorns will melt down. Please understand.

>>39014598
>Le big bad unicorn
It's so funny to me that 'unicorns' simultaniously have infinite power and no power to change the medium theu consume.

>>39003674
>the current state of EN shows it really needs one right now.

No, it doesn't. If anything, it shows that EN is a mistake, and that western v-tuber's are lazy. The current 3 gens are evidence of this. Constant excuses, seldom streaming, sick 25 days of the month, etc... Why would they want another gen just to get more of this?

>>39008835
bullshit. as if they are dumb enough to still push that shit. it's already been taken back and the collab arc has ended.
whoever thinks the new girls will be aggressively pro-homo is a blind, fixated doomer

>>39003152
Why would they? After Council didn't do as good as they expected they learned their lesson.

>>39003152
Tempus is EN3. You just have to accept it anon. The next gen will be mixed like Niji does. Probably won't be until next summer.

>>39014689
You know, there's one in Myth AND one in council who don't cut streams all the time, right?

>>39014845
Yeah sure. That would mean EN would be excluded from minecraft, holofes, events, etc. Because the JP girls sure as hell won't give up their gachikoi income.

>>39014925
They pretty much already are. ENs got only guest role for Sport festival and only 3 of them are gonna participate in Mario Kart tournament.

>>39014587
They don't need to go the Niji route, but EN4 should not take more than a year after EN3. EN3 itself should've never taken more than the predicted 15 months everyone had for it, so they need to debut a 4th gen much faster to compensate for their retarded decision to make Tempus the only thing for EN in 2022. They can do a StarsEN2 for all I care, but the last thing they should do again is treat them like they're part of HoloEN instead of a separate branch like they should've been since the beginning and just debut a new gen for both in the same year.

>>39015010
A lot of JP members are also skipping the Mario Kart tournament this time, so it's not a SportFes situation where they only invited a couple of EN members.

>>39014925
And? The girls that are there currently are regularly excluded from all of those things. Or they can't be bothered to do them because of the time zone differences. Did you watch the Rust Arc? The EN girls have almost zero interest in JP and vice versa. How many EN girls can even name all of the JP girls? Plus a split gen gives you more collab partners for the boys, who represent the most consistent streamers in the branch. A mixed gen of straight up streaming monsters makes the most sense from a business perspective at this point. EN cannot produce idols. That has now been proven.

>>39003152
Yagoo is waiting for pippa to agree to join holo_en.

>>39014679
The only thing that i realized is that EN holo fans are actively working against holo EN.
They shouldn't be surprised that their whores don't want to stream for them any more.

>>39015035
There's honestly not enough talent that is willing to go corpo in the EN market to sustain that kind of thing. Look at the last two Niji gens and compare them to what Idol Corps got by offering better benefits. If you are an indie and wanting corporate support there are better options than Niji or Hololive at this point.

>>39015139
Nobody's going to watch NijiEN2 and you fucks that want it should just fuck off and watch NijiEN.

>>39015139
I can name three of the EN girls who can name all of the JP members, interact with them frequently enough, and want more interactions with them. One of them is even going on a month long trip to do just that in the near future. Hell, that same one was a pretty big fan of the brand, but people shit on her for being too 'in the scene' when she first started. Kinda interested to see how dumpstered her viewcount gets when everything is in JP though.

>>39014760
Cool. Lemme know when your wish gets granted.

>>39015243
The Idol Corp girls definitely tried for HoloEN as well. It's insane to think the good streamers from these smaller agencies never tried for HoloEN or wouldn't accept if they were chosen. Right now things are most likely different considering everything that has happened in the last 6 months, but I still believe there are enough actually good picks out there that would be great fits for Hololive, Cover just needs to act fast and maybe stop looking too much into past popularity and go for those who at least show the bare minimum of passion and have an interesting talent that they're willing to use (staring with the rage of a thousand suns at Sana).

>>39003152
there will be no EN3 or ID4.
Shortly before/during holofes cover will announce the dissolution of EN and ID into Hololive-Global and will introduce a new gen with 2 KR, 2 ES, and a SEA flip that will all be terrible ESL. /hlgg/ will be renamed to /hlggg/

>>39015560
>terrible ESL
Ah, more cute accents.

>>39013959
>but if any of them thought those numbers would last, they're retarded
Of course they knew that debut numbers wouldn't last - and they didn't
This has nothing to do with expecting numbers to stay the same YEARS after their debut

>>39014235
>money shortage
Unlikely unless they're intentionally hamstringing their foreign branches and pouring everything into holo alternative
Chuubas aren't that expensive to maintain, especially not EN or ID since Cover doesn't even have produce hologra or lives for the vast majority of them, and music is mostly self-funded by talents
>talent shortage
The EN scene definitely is far weaker than JP, but Cover has definitely hired some lemons while other corps/indies have some diamonds, relatively speaking
IMO the most likely reason is that Cover's EN recruitment team is just incompetent and incredibly biased toward bilinguals that live in JP-friendly timezones
They got lucky with Myth due to first mover advantage: Gura was an absolute no brainer hire, and along with Mori's early music, easily overcame weaknesses in the gen that have only become more apparent over time

>>39015735
I just want to reply to the tail end of your post. The average JP chuuba is nothing crazy or outstanding either. Many of them are showing up to do their stream for their (relative to monsters like Gura, Pekora, or Subaru) small core fanbase and sometimes they enjoy a small spike in their viewers/memberships. They try to bapance their fun with their job requirements and to assume every EN is going to be on the level of people like those 3 in the brackets is kinda stupid, especially in a market that's less receptive to cute anime girls streaming than the JP market is.

>>39015227
the reason for this is simple. the fanbase has given holoEN massive support and it's been a big initial succes, so you would expect them grow bigger and take this or that thing to the next level.
instead holoEN has for unknown reasons againsts all odds stagnated and declined which results in disappointed fans who either move on (sane people) or who stay and anti (the hopeless, autistic and schizo) because they want to know why and who is guilty for ruining the thing they like.
it's love turned rotten

>>39015528
Yuko‘s pl implied that she didn’t apply to Hololive. She applied to a bunch of corpos and got rejected from NijiEN. She talked about both Niji and Holo and didn’t even mention applying to the latter, so something might be up with HoloEN’s reputation (maybe management).
Also, Rin has said that she was approached by Idol first, she didn’t apply on her own. Yuko’s pl said she didn’t intend to actually join a corpo but just wanted to see what the process was like. And she never mentioned Idol. That’s why I think Idol might have gone after the girls they wanted before Cover moved its slow ass on EN3.

>>39016771
They don't even realize that they're poisoning the fucking well. It's more self fulfilling prophecy shit.

>>39011061
>Cover does not want to bother with 1-2 views.
Ttempus is literally 3/4ths 1-2views

>>39017022
Hololive fans do not watch video games.
Please understand.
If i wanted to watch video games, i just hit up my 1 view with superb taste in games and hang out with him.

>>39016850
Then Cover needs to just accept that they should go after these girls, even if it makes them be at a disadvantage when it comes to their contracts. They lost their status as the dominating agency and now are just one of the many options that, even if it offers a huge start for whoever that gets in, has a lot of problems that need to be sorted before people start applying in droves again. I still can't believe they manage to somehow hire worse staff members than the JP side and refuse to fire them even when it's clear they're dragging the branch down so hard that freaking Aki is getting more views than some of them (nothing against her, just that she an example of low tier JP member).

>>39016153
Yeah in hindsight, Cover recruitment has been pretty hit and miss
Since 2020, and "tier" being relative to the branch and excluding holoCN:

HoloID1: 1 high-tier, 1 mid-tier, 1 low-tier
StarsJP3: 1 mid-tier, 1 lowish-tier, 1 dead
HoloJP5: 3 mid-tier, 1 low-tier (surprisingly given her history), 1 dead
HoloEN1: 1 superstar, 1 former superstar (now low-tier), 2 mid-tier (though burned out now), 1 low-tier (token bilingual)
HoloID2: 1 former star (now low-tier), 2 low-tier
IRyS: mid-tier (and the worst managed)
HoloEN2: 2 former stars (now mid-tier), 1 mid-tier, 1 low-tier (token bilingual), 1 dead
HoloJP6: 2 former stars (now mid-tier), 1 mid-tier, 2 low-tier
StarsJP4: all low or mid-tier by stars standards
HoloID3: 1 superstar, 1 high-tier, 1 mid-tier
StarsEN1: good by stars standards, but by EN standards only 1 can meet the "low-tier EN" bar

Cover has only had 2 superstars out of 25 new holos in nearly 3 years, starsJP continues to be a failure, starsEN is only good in the context of holostars

>>39016890
i guess the idea is that publicly voicing overly harsh criticism in a mongolian basket weaving forum is going to force cover to change and make things well again

>>39017455
>HoloJP5
What are these standards? They're all consistently high 4views and often 5views and are overall doing much better than most of EN, Myth absolutely included.

>>39017088
>him
Never a male.

>>39017639
JP standards
Yes, they're obviously higher than EN standards

>>39017680
They're doing pretty darn well and I would say Lamy and maybe Botan are in star status, unless you think for JP star is only 20k and above which I don't really agree with.

>>39017022
Based.
I have a 2 view friend who was going to apply for holostars but i convinced him not to on the grounds that permissions bullshit will keep him from playing the games he wants to play.

>>39017455
I guess my problem is that I'm not expecting them to be 'heavy hitters' in the streaming industry and while it's nice to have that behind the talent because it brings more people in, the bread and butter is your average streamer who can do a big stream every quarter and pull in merch bucks and some advertising. Shooting to try and topple 'big streamers' with anime girl avatars would always be a losing battle.

>>39003152
Nobody knows. Maybe they just don't find anyone that can qualify for full-gen? Hololive usually only recruit one girl per niche, and they try their best to not overlap those girls with their senpai.

Maybe they try to find a girl that can stream alot like Kaela and Koyori? But somehow anybody applying for EN just does not want to do that.

>>39017779
Lamy, Botan, and Nene bounce between mid-tier and high-tier status depending on the month
Botan right now is mid-tier
Last month, Lamy did really well with DQ
This month, Nene is doing really well with pokemon

>>39003152
I'm a bit convinced that higher management sees that the EN branch is not doing as good as they hoped, and they probably know by now that most of them just want to stop streaming / being a part of hololive (everyone except maybe Kiara, Fauna, Mumei and IRyS). They're probably just not bothering with EN3.

And desu I can't blame them for it. HoloX is a complete success. I'd rather have them focus on the next JP branch than tell this faggot of Omega to look for new EN "talent". Or at least if they're gonna do it, fire him first and get JP management on it themselves.

>>39018054
Most of the stream-diligent ENs in the entire scene have already been snatched by Niji and small corpos, and most likely prevented from moving over to Holo by anti-poaching contracts. Part of their diligence is likely due to their success not being guaranteed though, so they have to work continuously in order to remain visible.

>>39018281
See, that's the thing. People are too excited to compair talents to each other when it should be compairing to their personal average. That's one of the reasons I'm interested in watch Kiara's channel. She's going on a month-ish tour in Japan and has said she'll be doing a lot of JP collab streams, which means JP only. It'll be interesting to see what happens to her core viewership when a decent chunk of them can't understand the primary language of the stream. On top of that, her solo streams are bound to be a lot shorter than usual, and she's even expessed concern over these things.

>>39016890
If they say nothing, Cover will take it as consent and do nothing. Speaking up has a nonzero chance of getting change to happen, even though some fans will inevitably be toxic.

>>39018054
>Hololive usually only recruit one girl per niche, and they try their best to not overlap those girls with their senpai
Then explain Sana with Ina. If they actually hired a known artist just to tell her to no do art streams then whoever had this idea deserves to be shot in the nutsack for being so fucking retarded. Also there's so many niches you can find people to fill and not every niche is so unique that having more than one person that share it is a bad thing. One thing that I can't for the life of me understand is how the hell they managed to not find for Council a single amateur musician weeb enough to know vtubers after Mori's success story, with the only explanation that I can think of is that they didn't want someone possible overlapping with IRyS and, again, whoever had this idea deserve their balls blown up, especially if there was someone that wanted to focus on another genre that wasn't J-pop or rap. The closest we got were Rrat and Mumei and their musical production is lower than quite a lot of JP members who are worse singers than them.

>>39003612
>Council
>Tempus
>quality
LMAO

>>39018477
I can hope that Holo would pick up the 2/3view sisters. Its a cute gimmick and I'd love to see them land somewhere aftee getting cut from Mangagamer.

>>39018759
Sana did no art streams because she would rather do art for gacha off stream.

>>39018477
Given HoloEN's guaranteed success for any lucky newbie as well as the shitty work ethic western whores have nowadays, it's much more likely that the EN3 that's coming would end up being the same old lazy shitters that we've already seen in Myth and Council, regardless of how ''hardworking'' they were pre-Holo. I bet my life savings that any niji, phase, tsunderia, etc. with more than 25 weekly hours of stream time will see that statistic go below 10 the moment they debut in Hololive.

>>39018776
Fauna and Vesper alone mog all of the females and males in Niji, respectively.

>>39018891
delusional

>>39018433
That's incredibly unlikely
EN doesn't really cost Cover much, since management and production hardly do anything for them
They probably spend far more on holostars
If they're somehow losing money on EN even with their decline...that's frankly unbelievable levels of incompetence

And Holox WAS a success
Now they're kinda middling compared to previous gens, even gen5, despite Cover constantly shilling them

YOU GET NOTHING

YOU LOSE

GOOD DAY FAGGOT

>>39019020
>And Holox WAS a success
>Now they're kinda middling compared to previous gens, even gen5, despite Cover constantly shilling them
still is a success*

stop being a retarded EOP faggot who only thinks laplus is the reason why they're popular.

>>39018891
Vesper is an outlier of outliers.

>>39018779
Having an EN Okakoro would be great, but this is the EN management we're talking about. They so retarded that they might only hire one of them.

>>39018807
Honestly I'd argue Sana was the worst hire in Hololive's history if we exclude Hitomi Chris, and that's only because afaik nobody found her roommate so I have no clue about her content pre-Holo and if she even came back. I don't even care if the multiple dog hiatuses and back pain were true or not, from the little we saw of her she was a great artist who barely used her skills on stream and managed to quickly drop both the gimmicks she tried for since debut (holoscope and kusoges), so she ended up being just an extremely generic streamer whose only real interest were chink gachas and was nepohired because Cover believed the lightning would strike the same spot twice.

>>39019095
It's been one year and none of them have still reached the 1M mark, with only Chloe closing in just now at 950k. A success, sure, but a middling one, with no superstars.

>>39019095
Sure they're a success in that they're making Cover money
But they're still a disappointment compared to earlier gens
Laplus and Chloe dropped the ball, Koyo is the only tryhard, and the other two are kinda just there
At least Chloe still gets decent SCs, but SCs haven't been that important for holos in terms of overall income for years
I dunno, I just had far higher expectations for a gen that I waited fucking 1.5 years for

>>39019301
>Laplus and Chloe dropped the ball, Koyo is the only tryhard, and the other two are kinda just there
tell me you don't watch chloe without saying so.

>>39019171
The thing about Sana is what made me appreciate Tempus a bit more. Specifically Magni who streamed while really sick and also streamed with back muscle issues since he mentioned taking muscle relaxers.
My rat is that gura has long covid and its pretty bad. Most people dont realize that women are more susceptible to long covid symptoms and they can be debilitating even if the illness was mild.
>>39019294
At this point with everything that the girls are going through, i'd consider not crashing and burning in a hysterical explosion to be a massive success.

>>39019347
Laplus is on the verge of breaking down, but yeah the rest of HoloX is at least doing well.

>>39019171
Sana was a nepotism hire. Buddy and friemd of Ina and there's even possibly a tie in to AO-chan. I really really liked her on debut and was always excited for the Holoscope project because it was different enough, but then dog ded back hort (real job more important). Now we're getting the same shit with Ina.

>>39019324
I only watch her karaokes nowadays
and even they're a bit annoying since she takes so much time between songs
She lost me early on with endless SC reading streams
I started watching her again with ER, but then she stopped and had that ghost schizo arc
Nowadays, I see little reason to watch her apart from karaokes - I'd rather watch Peko, Miko, etc.
In terms of numbers, she's mid-tier except in SCs

>>39019171
>Honestly I'd argue Sana was the worst hire in Hololive's history
the bigger problem is that sana was also a complete turnoff from every other model. she was her own look, and it didn't help her. someone could say that flare has problems, but flare never made excuses about her model being a debuff. the real issue is that sana never gave a shit outside of pokemon. thats it.

>>39003543
> because you're already watchong someone?
nobody's watching anyone because they ain't streaming anymore

>>39019583
> flare never made excuses about her model being a debuff
HAHAHAHAH

>>39018891
>Fauna
true
>Vesper
homobeggar delusion

>>39019636
I dont understand why flares model would be a debuff.
I can understand sana's model being a debuff cause pako is a fucking shit artist who draws clownsuits and shovel chins.

>>39019347
I do respect Magni's willingness to continue streaming even while sick or hurt, even if I don't really like him or his content. I'm no advocate of forcing them to stream even then they're actually dying sick they often use the littlest excuse to no completely cancel their schedules which makes me question if they really wanted to be there in the first place.

>>39019535
The problem is that nepohiring is not a bad idea by itself when the person is already someone with streaming experience and a history of consistent content creation. For all reason Ina was already a huge gamble for Cover, but she had foresight to create an audience with her art streams and then go from there for her other content. Sana should've done the same and would honestly be much easier for her to then direct the viewerbase she got from those art streams for the other stuff like the kusoges and the Holoscopes, but she decided that she didn't want to make art a key part of her content as a vtuber and pretty much crashed and burned when she realized that she really wanted to just play Genshin or Arknights when there wasn't a new Pokémon game.

>>39003482
>>39003530
No.
https://youtu.be/ad-mSTEx54c?t=71

>>39019893
Have you seen her old model? Those old eyes were really unsettling

>>39019923
Fucking collab beggars and EN3 beggars are subhuman pieces of shit.
They're basically telling Fauna, one of the ONLY REMAINING ENs that she is basically not good enough.

>>39019900
When i think more on it, i think most people appreciate an attempt being made instead of just them saying nothing with radio silence.
I've been watching tempus since no one has been streaming and they make lots of effort. Axel put out a funny stream despite being in Japan and with i presume is a dog shit office set up.

>>39020450
True. Sometimes even Ayame manages to tweet something once in a while during her long hiatuses, while Ina took a month to give any life sign because of Marine's anniversary live and it's been a month since that with no other updates.

>>39019900
Yeah, Sana was just a mess
Sana convinced me that the EN recruiters are just incompetent ESLs that prized nepotism and bilinguals in JP-ish timezones
Why the fuck did they hire 2 bilingual aussies? Worse when they already recently hired a bilingual hafu who lives in JP

>>39019893
I always thought Sana had somehow asked for that abomination. It was horrible.

>>39020615
Yeah, they could even just do clips of her past stuff to keep something alive. Such poor handling of the situation.

>>39021031
They managed to hire 3 bilingual Aussies in two consecutive gens, not to mention how Tempus is almost like male Council when you compare the type of people they got since both gens are made of white (allegedly for Vesper's case) Americans, Korean Canadians and bilingual Asian Aussies, with Magni being the weird one out since I believe he's Asian-American. And their ethnicity isn't the point, but how Cover managed to hire pretty much the exact same configuration twice in a row.

>>39018736
Speaking up also has a nonzero chance of making things worse, since casual observers tend to assume that the most obnoxious and cancerous voices are bad, and them being mad is a good thing. I know enough to know that for vtubing this isn’t quite true. But we all know how retarded management is.
The only effective way to be heard is to vote with your feet and leave. That’s why there’s so much impotent raging /here/. If you’re not willing to leave and watch someone else, you’re their hostage. They don’t give a fuck if you’re happy or not, they only give a fuck whether you leave or not.

>>39019583
Flare’s model actually looks decent. Sana’s was rigged weird or something, she basically had a less severe version of IRyS’s goblin problem. Difference is, irys actually likes vtubing and had a personality that could somewhat compensate for her shitty model until a redesign was made. Sana does not.
Cover doesn’t give a fuck about hiring the best vtubers, it wants to hire vtubers who are good enough but make inroads among different interests. Unfortunately, with Sana they got someone who wasn’t good enough.

>>39003152
>Why aren't /vt/'s schizophrenic delusions correct thread #17283740?
>Why aren't they accelerating and mass producing a bunch of mediocre chuubas?

>>39021902
100% this.
If you want to make a difference, then stop watching, stop sending superchats, and for the love of god, cancel your memberships. It's easy to forget about them, but leaving the membership potentially hurts the most, because they get a notification whenever you do it.

So when will someone in EN pull an Artia

>>39003543
Anyone who watches HoloEN wants an EN3 because the current girls don’t stream. You think we give a fuck about their happiness? Fuck no. Not if it means less streams.
If you don’t watch HoloEN and don’t care about what happens to the girls, like me, then it’s just idle talk of the kind that tends to occur because they appear nonstop in the catalog. I assume Cover doesn’t want HoloEN to die, so I engage in speculation over why they’re letting a thing happen that presumably, they don’t want to happen, and how they should fix it if, again, they don’t want EN to die.

>>39022313
The sad part is that as a gen dies, the ones who actually care get more isolated with shit like collabs, and it will have a much larger effect on EN than JP because the PHYSICAL space difference between JP is much smaller, so it's easier to build relationships in person. I feel bad for Kiara because she hit a crossroad where her gen was autistically sitting alone or generally not streaming, and she had to start really building bridges outward. Luckily she still has a decent relationship with JP and built herself up a bit in ID.

>>39003543
Trying to force the current girls to stream wouldn’t work because:
>they have an army of yesmen at the ready to drown out any pressure against them to stream.
>they would rather graduate than stream more, as Sana proved, and
>they profit enough passively, and massively, that they can just phone it in at a stream or at a con then fuck off for months before needing to make bank again
The current girls sans a few such as Kiara and Fauna are beyond redemption at this point, and only new blood can revitalize HoloEN.

>>39022115
Because the current, non-streaming ones are somehow not mediocre, right?

>>39022511
It feels like ID will wake up at any hour to do an EN collab. I would not mind more of those. The minecraft synergy is especially good.

9 months without any new girls is a Hololive record, beating out the December 2020 to July 2021 span.

>>39015343
That's less than half of EN that can name their sempais. Meanwhile everyone in this thread can name them. That's kind of the problem. Even just learning from the JP branch about the different kinds of content they can do would be a game changer.

>>39019893
Calling Pako a shit artist...couldn't be me. He draws Irys better than her own artist does. The thing is, what he draws REALLY well are boys.

>>39022313
Even leddit is making fun of them now.

>>39023101
It's because ID is in it for the grind. I don't want to say it's a saviour, but I did the math a long while back and even with Anya being the runt of the litter, even including 70% of the money going to cover and youtube, Anya was earning enough in SC to live in a good apartment in Jakarta. I know some of them don't need it, but it's the idea that it makes an amazingly afordable life for them and that chances like this are one in a million, so they put a lot of effort into it.
They're also more of a mini JP than EN is because they can actually visit each other in person.

>>39003152
I'm really starting to think there won't be more. Current talents are either mia, dissatisfied with management or focusing on roommate projects. Plus, indies and smaller corpos are gaining more traction by the day. What's even the point of tying yourself to Cover for an uncertain future?

>>39003152
What is it with you holobros wanting MORE talents that don't stream?

>>39024959
You're talking to the people who were begging for kiara and pomu to collab for 3 years
Then they collabed and it was nothing special

>>39025789
The people who wanted it were fans of one or the other. I loved their stupid gushing and cutesy banter. It was great.

>>39003152
>Why is EN3 taking so fucking long?
They're delaying it as much as possible in a last ditch effort to hope Tempus will stop flopping one day.

>>39003152
Holy fucking cope, Tempus was EN3, that's what the EN producer spent the money on.

>>39026946
Most likely.
>"hype" built from omegas tweets months before it was announced
>announcements saying they were seeking GUYS and girls
>Tempus releases with significant fanfare
Tempus was most likely supposed to be en 3 but people weren't that interested in watching guys

>>39023101
ID has a thousand times more soul in their pinkie fingers than everyone in EN except Kiara and Bae have in their entire bodies. Shame the two of them have such filtering content though.

>>39026946
>the EN producer spent the money on.
Wasted time, wasted money.

A year ago I would have said EN has plenty of members and another gen wouldn't be necessary for a long while. Things have changed and the branch has managed to become so stagnant it's insane. Members taking breaks all the time and some of them are visibly tired of streaming. We even lost a girl this year and Tempus didn't help matters either. If I was in charge of EN I'd be scrambling to get a new gen out the door to energize the branch and fill the gaps.

>>39028649
Council killed HoloEN. Mumei and Fauna shouldn’t have been hired and they turned off a lot of Myth fans from their whole generation.

>temporary illness
>girls will recover in a week
>schedules will return to normal
/vt/: NO THAT'S TOO LONG WE NEED A NEW GEN RIGHT NOW

>>39003152
The requirement to release EN3 is tempus gets good number

>>39029170
>temporary illness
>girls will recover in a week
>then they find another excuse to not stream

>>39003892
This. You can’t fix EN with more of the same.

>>39029451
>>then they find another excuse to not stream
cancel your memberships and stop buying their merch

>>39003152
Kaela is streaming right now my dude, get a clue and follow a real streamer.

>>39003152
Think about it. These two gens were the best oversea people had to offer, the best picks from the recruitment process, and most of them treat it as a funny side job.
Why even bother to make more when it's clear that the formula doesn't work without Japanese girls.

>>39003152
Why are you saying this as if EN3 will revive the whole EN market?

>>39024668
Before Kaela Reine was the workhorse of the branch and she absolutely didn't need to be. She was consistently getting top 5 streaming time of all Hololive branches and currently she's in 5th place for the year only because Kaela treats this like a 9 to 5 job. Kiara is the only one in EN who's even close to those 2 and I think she's currently 6th or 7th place. I really hope EN3 has someone like this but it's likely that I'll rot away waiting for it to happen.

every beggar post delays their debut by 1 day

>>39004345
>looking to europe
So it's confirmed garbage then.
Jesus christ, when will they hire actual white people who speak english natively? It's an EN branch for christsakes

>>39028649
A year ago was 4-5 months after Council's debut, so of course at that time it would feel like they didn't need another gen. Thing is they need a consistent debut schedule so situations like this wouldn't happen, and because they decided to make Tempus HoloPRO EN3 the feeling of HoloEN not needing new members would quickly fade away because they're not in a state that they could wait a year and a half for more members. Now it's stupidly likely that this wait will be closer than 2 years and god knows if the branch will be able to hold itself until the actual HoloEN3.

>>39031001
>These two gens were the best overseas people had to offer
>Sana
>better than anyone
Yeah, right.

>>39003152
it's already been a year since holox. where is the new jp generation?
JP and EN are done expanding. they can see the downward trajectory. next generation will be ID4.

>>39033169
>where is the new jp generation?
I'm pretty sure they gonna be announced on expo.

>>39033169
>EN is done expanding
>with 10 members
I wonder if you'll keep saying this after the next graduation. You're comparing them with HoloJP that has 35 members, more than 3 times the amount of EN's current roster. They aren't starved for new members like EN is and even then it's more likely that the next new debuts will be JP7 instead of EN3.

>>39029007
I defected immediately to Council after their debut, then I lost interest after they didn’t stream enough. This will happen again when EN3 comes out, and the difference is that Cover needs to do it purposefully this time so that the defectors who abandon Myth and Council don’t leave EN3 too.

>>39031001
Why is it that if HoloEN sucks ass that it’s the fault of EN and not Cover recruitment? Do holofags seriously believe that these nine are the best the west has to offer and not that Cover is just shit at finding people to do the job right?

>>39033653
Coverdrones. They're the worse version of Holofags because they don't care about the members, only about the parent company. They believe all decision made by Cover and it's staff are correct and things aren't working out because the girls are a bunch of lazy whores, ignoring how Cover is more than able to prevent this but doesn't because of their utter incompetency.

>>39031001
Cover tells them to treat it as a side job and actively encourages taking long breaks.

Okay let's talk about one of the biggest, maybe even the biggest problem with all these breaks and back horts:

>radio silence

Why do you think this seems to happen so much? Potential management rules stopping them from chatting too much during scheduled breaks? A lack of caring what so ever? Surely while sick you can still lift your phone to type out a tweet yes?

>>39003152
they're waiting for a european loli to audition

>>39036518
If it was management then it's something exclusive to EN because the majority of HoloJP and ID girls who go on breaks for any reason still give consistent updates. Even Ayame wasn't completely radio silent during her many hiatuses, and Miko was always updating her fans when she had that medical break back in 2020. And if it's really something only the EN management enforces then it's another reason to completely scrap that branch's staff and hire new people because the current ones already ran its course and desperately need to leave before they ruin HoloEN worse than they already did.

Frankly, English-speaking countries and vtubers are not compatible. Egos are too strong. No patience. Too much wanting. In the end, it's like asking for EN expecting Japanese anime and getting Chinese anime.
It would be better to hire a Japanese who can speak English and let him speak EN.

>>39003152
Why are /v/tards so obsessed with sequels? Just play the games you already enjoy. You're getting upset for something that doesn't even exist. You're literally getting upset over nothing.

>>39019294
To be honest, the holo-live itself has almost only a fixed fan base already, and JP is not getting any new fans, so they are fighting for fans.
This is the result of the lack of collaboration with other companies outside of Hololive, and is proof that the content is becoming more and more closed.
Just as Lamy was disheartened when Chloe lost her fans for a while, the current Hololive is now built by competing for fans.

>>39003152
It was supposed to be tempus but seems like they shyed away from it at the last minute probably because seeing response and too many en girls not wanting shit to do with them. Shame because Tempus is what I've been wanting and they're my favorite EN streamers but no shit they weren't going to work as the official EN3. Holobabies have garbage taste and we shouldn't need a real holo 3 because the girls SHOULD be streaming. They aren't so arguments to push out a girl holo en 3 are strong.

>>39027082
I’ll repeat my rrat just to get some thoughts on this: Tempus was an experiment to see if western audiences really were receptive to males. They probably knew we weren’t, but in the highly unlikely case they got as popular as the girls, they would have been EN3.
Most likely, they knew that Tempus *wouldn’t* be that popular, so they were assumed to be StarsEN1, which they are. Management probably assumed that it just wouldn’t be a problem to not debut EN3 because crossover in audiences would take care of that.
Unfortunately for them, even that part backfired spectacularly. The lack of a real EN3 made people think of them as an EN3 pushed upon them against their will. Which is only true because of how badly EN1 and EN2 are shitting the bed. So now everyone loses, including Tempus themselves. I seriously think those four hate being called EN3 more than anyone else on the planet.

>>39037834
Current members don't stream, we need new ones. It's not "getting upset over nothing" you cuck.

>>39040190
Eat a dick, faggot.

>>39040190
I have a bad feeling that the intent was to skip EN3 and wait until summer 2023, because they didn’t think debuting Tempus would arouse active hatred, just indifference at worst. The only reason to rush that plan would be to cover up their mistake, which is really Myth and Council’s mistake.
In other words, going ahead of schedule would depress the current girls’ morale and possibly increase the graduations, because even reddit is getting impatient. It’s more and more obvious that people want EN3 so they can abandon the current girls, and rushing EN3 ahead of schedule would be an obvious signal to the current girls that Cover is fucking them over.
You can’t have it both ways, Cover. The current EN talents don’t deserve your support. Debut EN3 and cannibalize Myth and Council’s “fans” or continue to die a slow death. There’s a lack of quality within the branch, easy as.

>>39040084
>we

>>39040613
Nta, but what exactly about that statement made you want to say that? It’s not false, that’s for fucking sure.

>>39040677
I watched Tempus for awhile. They’re pretty cool. But they’re not Hololive, they never will be, and I don’t think Tempus themselves wanted to be. As male vtubers in a vacuum, they’re fine. As a substitute for a real EN3 they’re terrible. You can like Tempus and also think the choice to make them the only Cover EN debut at all this year is retarded as hell. I don’t get what the problem is.
Unless you’re some homobegging mongoloid with an IQ equivalent to the number of Hololive members, that is.

>>39040648
>It’s more and more obvious that people want EN3 so they can abandon the current girls
Exactly this.

Watch nijisanji guys they have rich personalities and engaging content!

>>39022313
True. I don’t give a fuck about their mental health, they can unironically take their fucking meds and get back in front of the computer.

>>39040084
More like an experiment to see if they could pull viewers from Luxiem.
Also probably seeing Twitter retards who keep begging for more male vtubers. A loud and useless minority.

>>39040917
The astroturfing pro-Tempus is insane compared to how nobody ever gave a shit about the original Holostars in the past, and these people actually believe Cover's strategy of only debuting them this year was a good call.

>>39047143
It was 100% a way to get a piece of Luxiem's market. They were desperate for male auditions to the point of reminding people that it was open for them barely 3 months after they started the open auditions.

>>39040648
>going ahead of schedule would depress the current girls’ morale
They are already depressed, Holo EN is at a damned if you do or damned if you don't situation. Either way the branch will suffer.

>>39003152
What is Irys? 1.5?

>>39022228
i can imagine Mori do that

>>39003313
Fpbp.
En was a mistake.

>>39003152
>Why is EN3 taking so fucking long?
Busy making more borderline 3 views so they can try to force the girls to collab with them again.

>>39052662
Took EN management over a whole year just to debut 4 fags, 3 of which are bordering me 3 views. Bravo. Well done. Time well spent. Talent well scouted.

>>39030538
the true MVP

>>39033169
>>39033487
>holoX was a massive success even with 30 other talents in holoJP
>125 million people speak japanese
>holoCouncil was a massive failure with only 6 other members in holoEN
>over 1 billion people speak english
thats not a problem of saturation or maxed expansion, the people in charge of holoEN just suck, from recruitment, to enforcing quotas, to expanding, management is just awful
the only good thing i've seen from them was the period just before tempus debuted, all the girls started streaming a lot out of nowhere and Sana was fired.

Western Vtuber Covid bubble has popped. NijiEN keeps throwing waves at the wall, but everything has been a downward trend since Luxium. Which surprise surprise was shortly before Covid restrictions began getting lifted. Cover gets to see this along with the viewership of their own EN talents shrinking. Gura's CCV is basically half what it'd be in mid 2021, how does one get to twice the subs of Marine while appealing to a broader audience but pulls half the CCV? I have no idea where the fuck Tempus is in all of this, from what's been said their benchmark was StarsJP which was met and exceeded in the short term. As for what Cover expects of EN3 god fucking knows and I can only suspect that those expectations is what's keeping them from launching EN3.

>>39003612
Look, I don't want them to rush things like Nijisanji, but this is too fucking long
To make it worse they waste their time by debuting Tempus

>>39015010
No, those who don't participate in Mario Kart this time is purely because of conflicted schedules or they just don't like the game
Aqua won't join the Mario Kart 2023 tournament because she had something to do on the tournament day

>>39022701
>>they have an army of yesmen at the ready to drown out any pressure against them to stream.
these yesmen are even among their managers, so the situation is even more unfixable even with an EN3 whose managers will just do the same thing and keep encouraging breaks
it’s essentially over for holoEN, they’re stuck in a death trap of dogshit management and a toxic positivity culture that encourages only laziness

>>39040917
>I watched Tempus for awhile. They’re pretty cool
Only one of them, with a biiiiiig stretch.

>>39026946
They're the worst performing Holopro EN gen ever then. Nobody cares about them and their metrics are going down when they should be going up.
If you want them to be EN3 then live with the fact that they're a failure by hololive standards

>>39057604
>thats not a problem of saturation or maxed expansion
Only the biggest coverdrones and coverhaters believe in this. Cover had the perfect window to expand HoloEN to a decent size early on but they completely squandered it starting with how long they took to debut Council and the way they handled them. Things only got worse after that and instead of debuting an EN3 to reinvigorate the branch they decided to bet everything on Tempus only to have it be a middling success when compared to the original Stars or a complete failure when compared to the girls of HoloEN. Call me Nijinig as much as you like but if Cover wasn't so fucking retarded by now HololEN should've had EN3 months ago and be close to debut EN4, or even had the fourth gen debut a couple of months ago. They don't even need to focus so hard on only doing full gens and should experiment on a smaller, Gamers-like gen to at least keep a consistent influx of new talents and maintain a level of motivation for the gen instead of this nigh-apocalyptic scenario where two thirds of the roster is down for whatever reason.

>>39059610
Even if shit looks completely grim there's still a chance of EN3 having someone with a Kaela/Koyori mindset of actually want to work even if everyone in the world wants her to not work for some cursed reason, and no matter how low it is I still believe it's worth betting on it.

>>39060180
Koyori is a plague, she spreads toxic positivity culture all around Hololive. She should work less, I support it.

>>39014760
Lol

I don't care i started watching Idol EN Nijisanji EN and Phase, i have stream for days and don't have to depend on someone's tummy feeling funny or some bs like that

>>39060410
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>39003152
unironically think what lore can they come up with to 'blend' en3 with myth and council

>>39040648
>going ahead of schedule would depress the current girls’ morale
This doesn't really fly when you consider:
1) Like half of don't care about numbers, including their largest star
2) Many of them are desperate for collab opportunities within EN (ID is a common substitute, but incompatible timezones)
Part of the reason Ame is willing to collab with tempus and niji is that she wants to play games that other EN either don't want to play or are otherwise unavailable
3) They're already used to upper management being useless from day 1 and thus doing things on their own, so they aren't worried about useless management resources getting diluted further

>>39061833
>This reaction
I don't need to say anything more.

>>39062431
>myths
>gods
The next logical step would be
>heroes
Which could be a mix of both capeshit and historical/mythological heroes, the latter being assigned to whichever FGO artists they choose to become papas/mamas.

>>39062431
Scrap the lore, start over with something simple. Do a band gen, look for girls who can play instruments and ride the wave of Bocchi's popularity. Much better than trying to one up Council, but we all know Omega is unable to not give the girls a 9-page forced backstory.

>>39003152
It's very simple, anon. Hololive management is incompetent, and HoloEN management is the worst of all. They can't even get fucking basic game permissions or plan merch. They probably meant to debut this year and were like "oops lol we forgot to file the paperwork."

>>39058053
>Gura's CCV is basically half what it'd be in mid 2021, how does one get to twice the subs of Marine while appealing to a broader audience but pulls half the CCV?
I agree with your overall sentiment
But Myth (and CouncilRyS to a much lesser extent) having huge sub/CCV ratio compared to JP isn't new and has always been the case shortly after their debuts
Subs are poorly correlated with CCV, especially when comparing western subscribing/like-happy audience with the JP one

>>39036766
isn't being a loli illegal in europe?

My money is its either one of a few things.
1). A Myth member is graduating and they want to save their EN gen 3 for when that happens to cushion the blow
2). They had planned out debuting sooner but haven't found compatible people for every character. My guess is they are struggling to find someone specific for the last character
3). EN management is filled with faggots who got assmad when Yagoo said Tempiss wouldn't be EN gen 3 but StarsEN 1 so they are protesting that by refusing to release a new gen as long as they can
4). They think EN is doomed and have decided to do the Japanese classic of silently ignoring and mistreating the branch until it collapses so they can quietly scuttle it with no drama

Idk take your pick its one of those

>>39063173
My money is on you not watching streams. Am I correct?

>>39018281
I'd consider Lamy, Botan (and Chloe) high tier on the whole although I can see how you'd call them mid given how standards have shifted, but there have been low performers to compare them to that indicate they are still exceptional, especially within their niches like Botan's FPS and Lamy GFE.

>>39063173
> 4) ignore them until they go
Also the response to quiet quitting, quiet firing.

>>39003674
Did you stop to think that they might've not debuted EN3 to avoid debuting the same boring or red flag having indies?

>>39063173
5) One or multiple girls changed their minds last minute for whatever reasons, so they had to start recruiting again

>>39063582
I heard Vesper got one pregnant. Am I late? I missed out...

>>39063173
>>39063582
>Number 3
Yeah I'm going with one of these two desu. I think someone backed out on them last second and threw a huge wrench in the mix. They are probably struggling to find a new replacement for them.

>>39063655
It's always Vesper

>>39003892
Time to ask for EN4
The EN3 beggars don't really care about streams, they use that to ask for new toys

>>39063844
EN3 is already slacking off by not debuting. I demand EN4 right now.

>>39063173
Someone or someones dipped on them after they had committed to 5 people. Thats all that happened. Its not rocket science. They had to replace some people last second.

>>39005122
>Why is EN3 taking so fucking long?
Because EN2 and StarsEN were huge disappointments, they have lost faith in the EN market. Corporate marketing support seems entirely limited to Hololives ability to market within Japan, which basically means just Mori and Gura. Kiara and Bae (and Ina when she was active) get some crumbs for having functional Japanese but without notable JP followings, they don't get much, and the rest of EN is left to just do whatever.

>>39063975
The problem that I have with this is since when they had the 5 ready and why the fuck they're taking so long to debut them to the point one of them fucked off. There's no way Cover is that retarded to the point they're keeping the girls waiting for close to a year after they confirmed their choices, right?

Where the fuck is EN3???

>>39064153
Nice try, we all know you don't watch streams

Gura were are you???

>>39064208
Its more likely that the person they had lined up dropped out for another opportunity or something randomly instead of Cover being incompetent.

>>39063975
>>39064208
No no. He has a point. Seems to me that Tempus was a backup because something happened during EN3 pre-debut behind the scenes. Probably had a quota to fill so they debuted those guys while they're trying to fix the mess left behind by what happened on the girls' side.

>>39064365
Cover being incompetent can't be discounted
Considering their retardation with hiring Council (no offense to the girls, but hiring 3 part-timers including 2 aussies is stupid), omegatroon, management just being slow af for its entire existence, or otherwise just incompetent (IRyS), I place good odds it's just Cover being stupid

>>39064365
But why tho? What would make them drop their Hololive spot? If they were never interested in Hololive to begin with they wouldn't really send their applications for it since it's actually harder to get into than other agencies that they might be more interested in.

>>39064446
That still makes me wonder what the fuck happened for them to scrap EN3 for the year.

>>39064446
Gura was responsible for the management of the EN3 project. This soured the relationship with Ame. Gura ghosted as usual.

>>39012924
>Cover is quietly shutting down the english branch
Interesting rrat. I imagine they'd absorb the talent that was worthwhile to them into main branch and retire the rest. I wonder who they'd keep and who they'd retire. I have my opinion but would like to hear others.

>>39014882
>1 out of 5 ain't bad, right?

>>39065097
The remains of EN merge with ID and rebrand to Global or something to just cover everyone outside of JP. This also lets them try spanish vtubers without a massive investment.

>>39065097
EN is mixed together inside JP promotional events as well as the upcoming Mario Kart Cup. Not a good rrat.

>>39064769
>If they were never interested in hololive to begin with they wouldn't really send their applications
Mori sent an application as a literal meme while hating idols
>it's actually harder to get into than other agencies that they might be more interested in
Most people when they audition for a corpo agency audition for multiple. Ollie sent one to Niji and Hololive as did Mumei and a few others iirc.

>>39064769
If it's anything like Tempus, they just couldn't bond well with their gen mates and got screened out.
Tempus had to go through 3 months of constantly being together and hanging out to build a genuine close friendship with each other before debut, if they couldn't, the person or persons that couldn't bond well would be replaced.
Same thing probably for EN3. If one or two of the girls couldn't bond with the rest, they probably got replaced but now they're having trouble finding replacements.

>>39065348
Mori also applied back when Hololive was the the only real option. Right now there's not only Nijisanji as well but lots of smaller agencies that don't have the same amount of bureaucracy, especially if they're based in the west, and while I know that people tend to send their applications for everything if they're not looking to get into Hololive for whatever reason I still don't see why someone would apply to it, accept the contract and drop it before debut. The chances for someone who is only half-hardheartedly trying for it to be chosen at this point are extremely low because Cover has tens of thousands of other people who are actually putting their all to be chosen, so this scenario is way too convoluted to happen in my opinion.

EN3 requires a sacrifice. Ina and Laplus are misdirects in this simulation, even Gura's gradual decline is bait. Vesper came close to summoning EN3 but he cast a reflect spell and his firing/graduation bounced off and hit Yugo. Prepare for something unexpected soon.

>>39065351
Is this a rrat or any of the guys talked about it? I know that they they were already set up for at least 2 months before debut, but even then Myth also were together for at least 2 and a half months before they were dropped and we all know how well that fared. Also even if that's a possibility why not just drop the problem ones and debut a smaller gen? They already did with Gamers back in the day, who also came out after their Gen 2, not to mention IRyS was a solo debut, so unless Omega is such a fucking autist that he needs the 5 roles filled because of his retarded role-pay (which is very likely, unfortunately) they could've just debuted less girls to ease this absurd drought HoloEN is suffering and it would've been infinitely better than indefinitely delaying them just to have a full gen while branch is fucking breaking apart.

>>39065950
They talked about how they had to get together and know each other and became close buddies before debut.
As for why debut a smaller gen, what if it isn't 1-2 people and more like 3-4? They could prob solo release a single person but calling that single person EN 3...kinda yikes no?

>>39065950
Yes, they did months of late night calls on discord in bed talking about their dreams.

>>39066155
>>39066181
K, but how long? I know they've been together for a while before debut, but since when? The open auditions started in January, but Cover had that tweet begging for male applicants in early March, and if they felt the need to do that then Tempus wasn't fully formed until after March. In May they announced graduations/hiatuses, so they could've been together only between 2 to 4 months before debut and that's definitely not something out of the curve when every past gen also had the same amount of bonding time, with Myth mentioning watching Coco's 3D debut that happened 2 and a half month before they were dropped, and Uproar talking about how they were watching the 1st Act, 4 months before their debut in late March. I also have my doubts that Cover managed to pick more than one or two duds to the point they had to scrap the entire gen. It still sounds convoluted as fuck and way too convenient to explain why EN3 is taking so fucking long.

>>39020335
>They're basically telling Fauna, one of the ONLY REMAINING ENs that she is basically not good enough.
Fauna and Mumei are objectively the two best streamers in EN, in terms of combined competency and reliability. Mori is the only one who comes close but when you factor all the other stuff we knows that she does along with the stuff we don't see, her streaming schedule is actually shockingly impressive.

>>39066627
They're running out of candidates with health problems. The reality is that Cover hasn't even started seriously forming EN3 and may never do it at all. The whole discussion of EN3 is just based on what fans want and there's no real reason to think it goes beyond that.

>>39066627
The boys have gone on record to say they were together for three months prior to debut. They had their debut in July which places the time period on when they were finalized at about April.
Around the same time they started hiring for StarsEN2.
As for the latter part of your post, it's up to you whether or not you believe it. I just wrote down the first explanation that's plausible, that came to mind. They were willing to scrap the entire gen of Tempus if even one boy couldn't get along with the rest.

>>39067465
>They were willing to scrap the entire gen of Tempus if even one boy couldn't get along with the rest.
Again, did they actually say this or it's just a rrat? Because it sounds stupidly extreme and honestly not beneficial at all if Cover is looking for the most absolutely perfect synergy from the get go.

>>39067656
>green text
That part was revealed in an unarchived, the three months of getting together and playing with each other was revealed in streams after debut.
>if Cover is looking for the most absolutely perfect synergy from the get go
They're trying their hardest to foster it, that's for sure.
Whether or not you take it as schizo ramblings or not is up to you. It explains why EN3 is taking so long in a non-shitpost way at the very least.

>>39032773
My feeling is that they're resistant to bring out another EN branch because they're worried about a saturated market and they think the writing is on the wall; EN vTubing is dying. Better to wait a year and see how the market looks before debuting another wave just in time for the floor on EN vTubing to fall out and they create a scenario where they need to cut people. It's just unfortunate that this has created the current situation where over half of the entire branch is out for the foreseeable future, and another member has already announced an upcoming break.

>>39004345
They are not gonna debut until after the fes thats for sure

>>39003152
Anon? Their 6 month anniversary is only a few weeks away

>>39003152
Cover's scared of continuing EN3. Cover is thinking they'll all get sick all at the same time once they debuted

>>39064318
I watch more streams than you. Watching Mori play a Kazoo right now.

>>39003612
HoloEN has no quality and even less quantity.
Tsunderia and other living corpse agencies have far more of both at this point, thats how fucking SAD the absolute state of HoloEn is

>>39067812
They're trying way too hard in my opinion. Everyone lauds Tempus' unity as the best thing since sliced bread, but they're honestly not out of the ordinary at all and only look great when compared with Myth for example. Gen 5 for example existed for much longer and honestly I think they have a better sense of unity, especially when they lost a member early on. I still find it hard to believe that Cover couldn't find 5 girls who managed to get along and I think it's more likely that they didn't even try to since their strategy for this year was to focus on StarsEN alone because they didn't want Nijisanji to completely control the western male market like they do with the Japanese one, but that didn't up going the way they really wanted to.

>>39067919
It doesn't make sense for them to lose faith in the EN market when they just gambled with StarsEN and already began looking for a second gen. It's starting to look like the actual answer is the most simple one: Cover is insanely retarded and doesn't know what to do with the EN branch. They already did a bunch of retarded shit with IRyS and Council so it's not like they ever had a defined project for the branch and just winged it hoping for the best, and that retardation ended up making them lose the market domination they had after Myth's debut.

I don't want an EN3 because I want Hololive to crash and burn. I hope that when it actually comes Hololive EN has reclined so much that they're all just 3views.

>EN3 EN3 EN3 EN3 EN3 EN3
This is only proving what I've already known about vtuber fans and the idol industry in general.

>>39003152
tourist here
when was the last time anyone from EN1 streamed? What is the situation in EN2?

>>39069399
>muh idol industry
Get a new joke, you dumb faggot.

>en vtubing is dying!
cries the anon as vtubing continues to skyrocket in popularity and profitability

>>39020335
Don't be a retard
There's no fucking way only one streamer can cover the whole branch

>>39070755
JP and ID vtubing*

>>39070191
>when was the last time anyone from EN1 streamed
Technically right now, but it’s Mori and most anons don’t like to count Mori in, which is understandable aside from any schizophrenic reasons since Mori feels at this point in her own vsinger branch instead of in a gen.
Kiara is down with an illness right now and last streamed 3 days ago, but many anons don’t like to count her in either because eggs and shit.
Trinitards who consider only 3 Myth members as true will have Gura as the last stream, 8 days ago. Ame last streamed 2 weeks ago. Ina has been dead for 2 months and counting.
Myth is difficult to pinpoint because its most “beloved” 3 streamers are the ones that are notorious for not streaming right now, while the more hated 2 other members that /vt/ likes to exclude ironically stream way more regularly and frequently.
>what is the situation in Council
Half the gen is sick, and the remaining 2 carries the branch right now.

>>39024668
Some of them are definitely in for money, but then you have Reine who still grind despite her background
And ID audiences don't seem to be pampering the ID members

>EN3 where
T3MPUS IS EN3

>retarded fuming over numbers and technicality
Yes, TEMPUS will never be able to match the girls on numbers. Hololive fans only cares about the girls. EN management were dumb to push for males. Saw Luxiem and wanted some but the problem is that they are dumb to realize majority of Luxiem fans were from chinkland, which they do not have access to.

>EN4 where then
Lol. After Council? You actually want more? Cover got lucky on Myth. They were an experiment. I remember Mori saying they would probably peak at 50k. EN can't scout for shit. The faggot Fulgur was right, Council didn't do well as expected. They had
>An already established artist. Nepotism hire according to rrats
Credits to her though, she actually tried up until her dog died. Model was awful too, Pako is great but his Sana design was not his best. Probably the last dark skinned model for holo.
>2 college girls
Can't stream full time. The rat tries too hard on the chaos bullshit. Can easily do GFE but won't. The Owl was found out early and was harassed, early content was really shaky
>1 "ASMRtist"
Can't go fully into GFE because of reasons I will not state
>1 Depressed korean
Had the best chance to making it big but didn't want it. Everything was lined up for her too, good voice, good model.

Oh, forgot about the
>VSinger
Hired for convenience. Singing is mid. Awful model at first, recently fixed. Don't think it's gonna fix the numbers on her music though.

>>39037834
>plays an online game
>keeps playing it because you like it
>over the time they updated the game, but the updates only make the game worse
>and over the time, the server of this online game keeps going down for maintenance
>the maintance of the server keeps happening
>preventing you to play the game
So how the fuck do I play the game? Of course, I will search/ask for a new game

>>39040648
Who the fuck cares? Just bring in the new girls so the current EN girls will feel a bit threatened if their fanbase flock to the new girls, let them have a small taste of competition so they will actively work

>>39060180
>even if everyone in the world wants her to not work for some cursed reason
This is the weird thing with EN
Both management and fans actively push them not to stream
Wtf is wrong with them?
Isn't it normal to want the entertainers that you watch to entertain you more?

>>39071924
>let them have a small taste of competition
They already have NijiEN, Tsunderia, Phase, Idol, VSPO and a shit ton of other competing corpos and they're still lazy fucks. What makes you think a new gen would change anything?

>>39060410

>>39071924
bruh a new gen won't change anything you'll just go back to whining how they're lazy and ask for another generation.
A never ending cycle of people bitching over a new generation that'll lose its luster in six months to a year.

>>39072108
Management has this new anti-burnout strategy that they started with Tempus when they weren't allowed to stream for more than a hour during their first month. My guess is that they completely misunderstood the reason so many of the HoloEN girls started having highly inconsistent schedules and thought the problem was that they were working too hard, which should be a bad joke but at this point I don't doubt that Cover is completely unable to learn from their mistakes and always reach the wrongest conclusions possible. As for the fans it's harder to explain but maybe because they lack the same drive to push their oshis forward like JP fans have, and they truly believe that telling the them to stream less is actually a positive thing to do because it makes them feel like they're "taking care" of the streamer. I think Korone was the only one who actually lashed out against this behavior and probably because of EOPs spamming her chat with it.

>>39072272
Then what's the solution here? Hard mode: you can't force the girls to stream under threats of termination.

>>39072130
Because out of every corpo that you list only Nijisanji can compete with them in terms of numbers?
Internal competitor would make them feel a bit pressured

>>39072272
What's your solution then?
And you never know whether a Kiara might pop up in the new gen or not

>>39072462
Anti burnout strategy my ass, more like momentum killing strategy
>Cover
As much as I would like to blame them for this one, I think this is an EN issue
Most ID and JP members are streaming consistently
>and they truly believe that telling the them to stream less is actually a positive thing to do because it makes them feel like they're "taking care" of the streamer
How did they come to this stupid conclusion?

The only thing to do now is go niji style on quantity, but HARDER, like shit 50 new girls in 23, no gens, a new girl every single week.
50 girls/year.

Go full saturation of the market, only the most talented/active can get a good living wage.

>>39073001
>And you never know whether a Kiara might pop up in the new gen or not
simple statistics anon
for myth we had kiara
for council we had fauna and bae
for en3 we will therefore have 1 or 2 if we end up with none i will just fucking quit this vtubing hobby overall

>>39074218
also work on making sub-groups of girls living close, you will never have true unity for people living on fucking different CONTINENTS

>>39070609
Uh oh, someone's insecurity is flaring up. Thanks for proving me right.

>>39074051
>Anti burnout strategy my ass, more like momentum killing strategy
Well, because in practice it is, but the EN staff truly believes that they need to do this so they won't have a repeat of what's currently happening with HoloEN without realizing they're feeding more fuel to the fire.
>How did they come to this stupid conclusion?
Who knows. This is just a conjecture so it might not be the actual reason, but a lot of people who keep pushing for this "don't work hard" mentality act like they're their oshi's parents. What is true is that you average EN fan is completely different from JP fans that they don't really care about their oshis pushing themselves to become a better version of themselves and are just satisfied with having them stream once in a while, and this toxic positive is actively hurting HoloEN because most of the girls either abuse this to get away with doing the bare minimum or just don't have the balls to call it out and end up having a boring audience that's fine with whatever the hell they do, which for some people can be absolutely demotivating. I really hope that EN3 has it's own 9 to 5 streamer who puts these people to their place if they start to complain too much about her streaming a lot.

>>39074455
ALSO

If some girl quit early, normalize giving the model to someone else

>>39003152
Tempus was EN3 but dont worry EN4 is already on the works, its males again.

>>39003530
>>39003482
Officially there's no EN1 or EN2 either. It's just Myth and Council of Hololive EN. For the male talent, it's Tempus of Holostars EN.
There will never be an official EN3, but there will be another generation of Hololive EN eventually, which is what most people are referring to when they say EN3.
All this talk about about whether Tempus is EN3 or not is completely pointless.

>>39062770
>capeshit and historical/mythological heroes
Does this mean EN is going full FGO and getting Takashi as a papa?

>>39071648
>>39075494
>>39003530
>>39003482
>>39004448
>>39014845
>>39026946
Tempus will never be EN3 much like how all of you will never be women.

>>39076193
What kind of psychopath calls Takeuchi by his first name?

>>39003152
December is too stacked
EN is debuting around here

>throwing good money after bad

Three strikes and you're out, anon. They're going to concentrate on the JP market because their top EN earners are too inconsistent. Can't trust gaijin work ethic.

>>39003152
WATCH NIJIE/TEMPUS IF YOU WANT STREAM BRO ELSE JUST DO YOUR OSHI VODS REPS

>>39076339
That's only if they don't push the announcement for HoloExpo. After October/November I don't expect anything anymore and won't be surprised if by the end of February fuck all happens.

>>39063114
nah it's okay. Can still watch stuff like eromanga sensei where I live.

>>39074218
>Go full saturation
No thanks you can go to Niji if you want that

>>39076415
No.

>>39074303
It's better to hope one or two Kiara would appear in the new gen rather than hoping current EN members would actually stream consistently

>>39076339
EN1 debuted in September 2020.
EN2 debuted in August 2021 (11 months).
Tempus debuted in July 2022 (11 months).
Tempus took the EN3 spot so they are EN3.
Following the same pattern, EN4 (or EN3 for copers) will debut in June 2023 (11 months).
It's not really hard.

>>39019583
Sana was hired by AncientOnes/Omegatrany, HoloEN director back then that blocked Coco collabs. Same as Myth, she was promised that she would work only as content creator doing whatever.
After guy got removed from his position, JP management took over and around January told both Myth and Council that they were expected to participate in 4th FES next year.
The others were fine and worked harder on their idol reps, but Sana hated this direction and decided to graduate back in February, but March's 3rd FES and Rushia's termination postponed her plans.

>myth doesn't have 3D debu-ack showcases, council too
>if they do it at the same time both are fucked(no advantage, doesn't feel special)
>myth is gigafucked anyway(some have alt 3D outfits, some did scuffed concerts)
Postponed untill they can do 3D debuts normally(after 5-6 months?). Releasing thing that doesn't fuck up EN 3D situation further also makes sense. Expect more males in near future.

>>39074773
Retard
That would create distrust between the viewers and the talents

>>39076459
CouncIrys and HoloX debuted and then participated on the free stage at the Expo. EN3 will do the same.

The jews already scouted some of the few remaining holo-tier talents, there might not be enough left for a gen.

>>39076534
You retards should also look at StarsJP and HoloJP debut windows and rename all their gens.

/vt/ being comprised mainly of americans fails to understand that EN is not a big market for Cover.
The EN branch doesn't produce a lot of income compared to JP.
See JP has a lot more monetisation options. Advertising, guest appearances, merchandising, licensing, etc. Cover makes so much more on a per streamer basis from JP than they do from EN.

This means EN is basically a waste of time and energy. The return on any investment is small.
There's nobody willing to pay Cover a decent amount for advertising or anything like that. Cover pulls tens of thousands US dollarydoos for each ad a girl appears in over in Japan. They pulled in around a hundred thousand for a single line of curry adverts.
But EN? The biggest advertising coup they've pulled is a two second stock footage appearance of Gura. And that was probably done for free.
Nobody in the west is going to pay Cover to have the girls or boys appear in their ads. The numbers they pull just don't make sense in that larger market. They don't even class as D list celebrities in the USA or Europe.
The best ad deal they could hope to get would be something like g-fuel who went on an advertising blitz with vtubers a while back. But that'd net them a few grand for a prolonged placement campaign. Not worth it in Covers eyes.

>>39063173
>(4)
Ah, so the Niji India treatment. This is a possibility.

>>39065806
I believe Ame will be the sacrifice

>>39076782
>thread about EN
>muh JP
kys

>>39075494
I will shitpost for all eternity if my grim prediction of more males in February comes true.

>>39076714
That's a thread of hope for an EN3 early next year, but that isn't a solid confirmation and Cover might as well just use ID3 and call it day.

>>39076845
>blahblahblah
Numbers? Sources?

>>39076845
Chuubas are cheap to maintain - niji spam and small corpos surviving prove that in spades
If Cover somehow can't make a hefty profit with EN/ID despite providing a tiny fraction of the support they give even stars JP, then they're mindbogglingly incompetent

>>39077456
They're making a profit yes.
But the returns are not as high as they are for JP.

>>39070755
>vtubing continues to skyrocket in popularity and profitability
[citation needed]

>>39003152
Sorry you had to find out this way but Tempus was EN3.

>>39066898
She’s not. Groomers and vegans are never good enough. Don’t worry she’s going to go crazy soon

>>39074546
>a lot of people who keep pushing for this "don't work hard" mentality act like they're their oshi's parents
>act like they're their oshi's parents
What kinf of parents are enabling their kids laziness?
From what I've seen, those people who push the don't work hard mentality just seems like they are seeking excuses to justify themselves for not watching streams
Think about it, if the talents don't stream that means they won't need to spend time to watch streams

>>39076845
There is also collab cafe in Korea with huge merch lineup, mostly thanks to Kiara.

>>39076491
The niji problem is the dumbass "you are a normal streamer but anime avatar", and the dumbass males coming with it.
The big "secret" of holo market domination is just a basic anime girl character roleplay, look at the fucking anime series, look how all the biggest SOL got a fucking all fermale cast, go look bocchi the rock.

You will never make a "actual close friends" like holojp when the girls live in different continents, different timezones, with a different lifestyle and culture.
So put out 50 girls, make 4-5 teams of 4-5 girls living in the same "big usa city", then get some in london and shit, cover the fucking eu timezone.

My god, is so hard.

>>39076845
>no proof to back up the numbers

>>39077986
Lots of parents end up spoiling their children rotten, so the allegory isn't completely wrong. The not wanting to watch many streams angle is one that I've seen in the past tho, and another one was that some people don't want a new gen because that means more vtubers to follow and they feel like they need to watch every single member. The western fanbase is all sorts of fucked up and it kinda makes sense why Cover didn't go hard on the idol route with HoloEN, but at the same time it opened the doors for people who are more than fine with letting the streamers be complacent and do the barest minimum possible and becoming one of the main culprits of the current situation.

>>39003313
Its funny that the only ones that care are kiara and reine, because one is an actuall weeb wannabe idol and the other is rich as fuck.

>>39072462
I actually liked the one hour streams for Tempus, it unironically got me to watch all of them whenever they were available because they were short streams that redirected to other Tempus members.
They were bite sized streams with a lot of content and when i wanted more, there was another Tempus ready to fill another hour of time and so on and so forth.
Fast forward to now and you'll see that Altare has been absolutely killing it in streams as he was filling in for Vesper and the other EN's who cant stream.
One thing that Tempus has done for me is that they made me actually like chat streams. I've always skipped out on chat and superchat reading streams, but now i dont. I always watch Vesper's chats and Axel is doing a chat right now and he's being too cute.

>here is your EN3

>>39079428
She has some incredibly cringe tattoos.
Also she fucks like a wet fish.

>>39022228
what did she do? i'm new

>>39063173
>EN management is filled with faggots

>>39065806
Aloe wasn't a graduation