/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>38943211
Anycolor? More like blackcolor

>>38943211
Literally who?

>>38943211
Wait am I reading this right? Nijisanji doesn't give them a salary?

>>38943296
holy newfag.

>>38943296
Are u not familiar with how companies work? They don't want people to be salaried so they can get rid of you at a moments notice

>>38943296
Welcome to literally every vtuber except for like Crunchyroll hime and the GGN girls probably

This is news to me. When did Nijisanji start copying Hololive?

>>38943211
>I don't wanna sing
Just half-ass the debut single and be done with it. From what we seen, no one forced create their own music if they don't want to.
>don't wanna dance
What are they talking about? Their 3D model are mainly used for comedy skits and the occasional live shows, but that only applies to JP.

>>38943296
They get paid in Niji stock and sea shells. Rest goes to mainland China then the executives get paid. Then they throw bones down here and their for their number streamers as "incentive."

>>38943296
Nijisanji is run by chinks. Other companies do give their girls at least an allowance if they're not salaried

>>38943383
t. nijinigger

>>38943211
Yeah, that sucks for Gundou. Niji was supposed to be about streamers with l2d and maybe do idol stuff if they want.

I thought cover gave their talents (at least EN) some basic bitch poverty allowance every month

>>38943211
>Woman
>Dont wanna sing
>Dont wanna dance
what else is there except have sex?

>>38943211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQEuy2-H1zo

they lost the old way....

>>38943383
hologirls get a salary, its just super super small, part of why coco and kanata moved in together originally, and they kept eating cheap shit too at the start.

>>38943296
Nope. And Anycolor still takes a cut of their SCs. I think the talents get all the Youtube adsense money.

>>38943482
Women don’t even wanna do that. They just wanna lay on the couch and get fat watching Netflix and eating junk food

>>38943390
When they went ipo and realized that chonoir alone earns more money releasing one single song than the annual income of their bottom 40 talents put together

>>38943498
they got progressive salary

>>38943464
Yeah they do but Gundou is a Niji.

>>38943211
>G*****
Anon, you could've used a large piece of shit for an image in the OP and I wouldn't know the difference.

>>38943296
>NijiEN newfag only finds out now
Nigga there's a reason HoloJP chads make fun of nijisanji. One of their vtubers once had to beg her audience for money to afford food and medicine. This is why they can spam as many vtubers as they want, they hand them a phone and an avatar which is just an investment of a few thousand dollars and that's it. They make their investment back on the vast majority of them and sometimes they get a Vox or a Kuzuha.

>>38943383
Mirai Akari also gets a salary apparently. Kizuna Ai probably did also. Salaries seem to mostly be limited to the extremely corporate type vtubers backed by a large company. The "amateurs at their house with an iPhone" types don't operate like that as far as I know.
>>38943464
>>38943498
As far as the public knows Cover seems to have a small salary that is probably the legal bare minimum paid for office meeting hours or something like that. Kanata and Coco could also have been talking about something like a signing bonus intended for getting streaming equipment set up.

>>38943590
I meant to quote the original post about salaries and corpos

>>38943482
NTR is her thing actually, she cuck her audience quite often with niji males, but sometimes she tries to cover it up with shotacon stuff.
>>38943553
no fucking idiot, they negotiate a percentage like in any other idol agency which is usually really low.

>>38943211
Cover suddenly making hololive into an idol company after a few gens was already shady, but asking your talents to sing and dance after this long and recruiting so many people is pretty fucked up.
Imagine making your choice of company based on their past activities, choosing the non-idol one and then being the victim of bait and switch.

>>38943717
>One of their vtubers once had to beg her audience for money to afford food and medicine
Who told you? The voice in your head?

So this is the "new direction" that led to Mayu fucking off?

>>38944097
>they negotiate a percentage like in any other idol agency which is usually really low
wow we got holo management in /here/

>>38944201
>Cover
Kys retard

>>38943390
Over a year ago since preparations started.

>>38943211
https://youtu.be/5ffWz6q4-dA?t=5388
I don't expect EOP like all the faggot in the thread really know what she said but twisting her word on a fucking EOP board to bait is just straight-up pathetic.
She literally said "every time someone graduates people will say that Nijisanji is heading into idol stuff, but they still let me do anything I want even though I turn off the offer of Kayosai so that's just not true." afterward

>>38944527
Blame Oboretai i guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1bQdggGLjo

>>38944642
>drama about idol culture
>it’s oboretai
like a clockwork

>>38944405
isn't this completely canned because of wuhan flu?

>>38944642
of course it's the clipnigger that didn't know shu was japanese. just clip what's popular and twist it out of context for more clicks, whatever.

>>38944642
>of the fucking course it is the clipper that got shitted multiple times for twisting Vtuber's words when it don't fit his clickbait
Yeah, convincing enough

>>38943252
The only actual carpet muncher in vtubing.

>>38944241
Are you for real anon

>>38945211
You don't even know who did that, do you?
You just ate shit up on this board whatever fits your narrative.

>>38945211
/#/ or catalog bait also aren't reliable sources for anything regarding nijisanji too if you're wondering

>>38945632
You're literally just using the fact that almost everyone is Nijisanji is forgettable in hope the guy doesn't remember.
It definitely happened and it was definitely funny.
Who cares if he doesn't remember who, that's on the company not him.

>>38943296
I think only Cover paying salary, but most likely its just pretty small rate. Its intended back then because most vtubers basically works other jobs too so they took time of from that jobs to stream. Its very possible that they might not have any SCs or donations (as they may not even be monetized) so this system is there as sort-of safety net. Most likely this is also one of the reason why Hololive can survive without any graduations until 2020.

>>38943535
I saw that Chronoir and ROF-MAO literally dominated the "Vtuber music award". Kanae's MV even took first place while Suisei's Template only second place. Meanwhile Marine's MV only took 20th.

The force of ChroNoir and ROF-MAO are real. They managed to re-create BTS army.

>>38944097
they negotiate the % of the sc cut anon not their salary
Coco did mention that the salary was increased in 2021 dunno if there were any other mentions of it since then.

>>38945776
>remember
>Trust me bro. Although I don't know who did that nor how it happened, the voice in my head told me that, so it definitely happened!
kek

>>38943498
>>38943553
Just a little correction in regards to Cover's salary.
Originally, Kanata said *more than two years ago* that it was pretty low - like, minimal wage low (200,000 yen / month). However, early 2021 (a few months before her graduation), Coco said that they got a raise (in the same stream in which she mentioned how some of the girls managed to negotiate a better SC cuts with Cover IIRC, might be different streams, it has been a while so I can't be totally sure).
She didn't give any specific details, so no one knows how much that raise was or how much monthly salary Cover is giving their talents now (other than "more than the pitiful 200,000 yen / month", that is).

>>38946063
Who are you trying to convince?

>>38944405
kek newfags always bring out fantasia as the proof for "idolfication" and not shit like petit fleurs that was an actual idol duo. at least make an effort if you want to make garbage bait

>>38944241
>>38945632
Kuroi Shiba. its easy to remember since its one of the non humanoid ones

>>38944201
Yeah even Subaru talked before that people inside were pretty skeptical about their "idol project". Yagoo actually giving the choice whether they want to participate or not. Apparently its kinda why not all members participate in Bloom, not just because not all have OG songs, but also because they just don't want to.

That policy is probably still there. Just don't be surprised if some EN ends-up skipping Fest.

>>38945632

>>38943498
>super super small
explain roboco house

>It's been long enough now that retarded 2020fags get to call other people newfags
Ay caramba

>>38946143
Oh yeah shiba, Thats the one who had to rely on the viewers to in order to afford medical stuff.

>>38943211
oh, i see, more graduations incoming

>>38946279
stop same fagging numberschizo and go back to your containment

>>38946326
You literally stopped posting about Nijikeks in numbers just to get BTFO'd here

>>38946259
what do you expect from on a board made in 2021 because the en chubas brought in to many tourist for the 2hus to survive?
hell even tempis managed to get new people on here who don't even know why cover is so anal about permissions

>>38946112
I think I saw that clip. Apparently this arrangement is still "pretty good" compared to what some idol agency are doing. Most idol agency basically took all the money and dolls it out in fixed salary or bonus. Cover is salary-ing them, and each talents can take 50% of the SC cuts directly is considered pretty good arrangement. This is probably on top of their own performance bonus.

Basically, while its not like Vshojo that have 100% of SC/Subs going into their coffers, Cover's are also not bad given that Cover basically provides all the necessary tools.

>>38946376
I haven't entered that shithole since last year because you fucks are insufferable pieces of shit as you're proving now. The fact that you didn't even try to hide you're from there says a lot about the subhuman trash you are.

>>38946144
Anya

>>38944796
No. It was postponned. Pic reletad are days it happened.

>>38946326
Why are you seething? First you said no proof then when proof was shown you went menhera?

>>38946487
Don't care stop coping, I've been watching this thread for hours and you stopped posting in numbers and came here trying to be like "Who was it then? THE VOICES?" and got BTFO'd.
That's all there is to it, "I accept your concession" fag

>>38946551
>proof
>"I said it so it's the truth"
you're pathetic

>>38946565
this anon has superpower that can tell anons apart and know in which threads they are posting, you're a deranged schizo like everyone in that cesspit

>>38946565
kek it's the guy that's always arguing but has never won an argument? figures

>>38946580
Who are you trying to damage control for here?

>>38946627
Isn't that hard when you give yourself a cringe catchphrase

>>38946706
I'm the guy you replied to? Maybe you don't have a crystal ball who can tell anons apart like the other guy? So sad, really.

>Idols are the only ones that sign
You faggots never heard of genres?

/#/ really was a mistake. Just send it to trash and make this board Vtuber Generals and everything will be better

>>38946748
Did you perchance bought Anycolor stock and are sperging out hoping it wont free fall?

>>38946547
Don't really care about anons having a meltdown here just wanted to say idol Yashiro was cute

>>38946382
Vtubers just happen to be one of the handful of things I was at the groundfloor on to watch grow into whatever it is now, on this site at least. I just forget how many years it's actually been until I see threads like this where it's just a bunch of cancer cells still playing their game of telephone.

>>38945920
I heard a long time ago (or maybe it was a voice in my head) that Cover does give out a small living salary/allowance.

>>38946832
Did you learn that word by shitting the nijisanji thread on /jp/ constantly? It really shows how much of a dedicated anti you are.

>>38946932
>wasting time anti literal whos

>>38946414
Given that even the bottom of the barrel girls can live relatively lazy lives now, I guess the deals are good enough.

>>38946983
I thought that was the whole point of /#/?

kek in hell, numbercucks

>>38944294
Axia as well.

>>38946135
So, after all these time, you fucker can still only know about Shiba?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x28QcGjQ51g&t=3s
Here is the stream she (or it if you like) talked about her situation. She needed the viewer's help because she got fired from her real job. Not because "lol Nijisanji don't support them"; she didn't even stream for TWO MONTH.
She only streamed twice in October; all of her streams before that in 2020 were basically spamming FF14 for a whole year. How do you earn money from streaming when you barely fucking stream?
Stop this "oh niji liver is so sad she needs to beg lol" stupid narrative, she didn't even want to do that, but her manager forced her to. Because her situation was an emergency not because she treated it like a job but failed to get enough payment, moron.

>>38947009
That's just how you use it to get BTFO'd.
If it wasn't for nijikeks seething it would be the most positive thread on the board, showing off how successful the girls are.

>>38947088
lol

>>38947011
No body brought up any number
>noomber noomber
Rent free

>>38947088
/#/ is literally a tribalistic general, it never bought anything positive to the board, everyday shitposts from there are posted on the catalog. I don't fucking know why meidos let that shithole exists when it's clear that it's existence is bad for the board

>>38946112
Gotta remember that back in the day when Coco was around, Cover wasn’t the sponsorship magnet that it is now. SC was a huge part of their income back then.

>>38947206
Don't care about your tribalism cope, it's about the best numbers.

Not sure why anyone want to defend companies like cover, anycolour and etc. The riot shills in the vsinger thread is even more baffling.

>>38943296
At-Will employment in both the USA and Japan is rarely salaried. AFAIK all of the vtubing corpos rely almost exclusively on profit sharing via ads, superchats/donations, and sponsorships.
The only exception I know of is Phase-Connect where the company also does a profit sharing between the talents where Pippa's earnings help bolster the flagging income of certain other girls.

>>38947058
>How do you earn money from streaming when you barely fucking stream?
by having a salary... yknow one of the main points of this discussion?

>>38947259
you fucks are literally /hlgg/ rejects who were expelled from the thread by jannies for being a cancer

>>38945173
And also a real compulsive liar, so who knows really

>mito talks about being an idol
>gundou talks about being an idol
>nui talks about not wanting to be an idol in nijisanji, avoiding hololive because she doesn't want that kind of work
>mayuzumi leaving because company direction is off course
why does nijisanji do this to their talents when they put "not idol" in their marketing presentation? this is why people shit on them for going after the other team's successful model

>>38947140
You guys are obnoxious faggots and it's obvious to everyone when you're posting in a thread.

>>38947357
? you have small balls
>>38947456
It was 22 minutes ago I caught you and you're still seething? Diddums

>>38946907
I'm not sure about a salary but they did pay some wage to their talents who got demonetized or taken hiatuses in the past.

>>38947546
schizophrenia anon... I'm over here... give me an (You) becuase that wasn't for me and now I'm feeling lonely...

>>38947546
>everyone that thinks I'm a faggot is one guy who also likes Nijisanji because I like Hololive and everyone that doesn't like me must like the other team
This is why you guys stick out and why the entire board hates you. You are literally deranged.

>>38947697
Isn't working wee man

>>38947334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpw7b1qV3qw&t=19s
This anon >>38946112 was wrong. It's 20000 yen, 200 fucking USD in Hololive for their "salary". Do you seriously expect a salary like this to save someone from an emergency?

>>38947424
Selling their talents to sony for music deals is insanely profitable for the company. They even do the classic idol company tactic of having to buy albums to get a raffle ticket for concerts.

>>38947710
Try reading the thread instead of emotionally reacting like a woman, you're not making sense.

>>38947796
>Its better for someone who is in a financial emergency to have 0 dollars than 200 dollars.

>>38947796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c-UvUxf4FM
Theyre salary at start was below 100k yen around debut anon.

>>38947839
My first post was >>38947011
Try not acting like a schizo and assuming everyone that hates you is one guy.

>>38948110
I don't care small balls
Learn to speak when you're spoken to if you have such a midwit IQ

What is close to the truth is that anycolor
>doesn't pay a fixed salary to their talents
>their income are entirely based from adsense, VP, merch, SCs etc
>Half of those profits goes to anycolor's pockets while the other half goes to nijis
>If a nijitalent gets a $100 SC, $35 goes to the talent which is still a lot for SEA dwellers and an okay job for amerimutts
>The cuts are non-negotiable and are probably fixed till they graduate

What's close to the truth for anycolor is that
>talents has a small fixed salary but they can negotiate or earn a lot from bigger cuts on merch and other revenues

What can be concluded though is that Anycolor earns a lot from doing shit like this while if cover had pushed for a fixed cut for all of the revenues, they might earn a lot too like for example, polka earning $180k for her merch in the first few minutes, a 50% cut for both would mean cover earning $90k instead of a 70-80 cut for Polka. That's why I legit am not sure if Cover included the money from talent cuts into their financial reports when I saw that the salary division was so small. The mid girls could earn up to $1m, and top girls could earn up to $5m in a year.

>>38948233 (me)
Correction for the second one, it's for cover, not anycolor.

>>38948171
Which SEA nation uses "small balls" as an insult, that's a new one.

>>38948319
It's Scotland but if I said weesacs you'd think I wasn't speaking English

>>38948339
I hope you're making that up, because a westerner acting like a numbermonkey is the most depressing thing I've read today.

>>38947846
Do you realize her お給料 here included her superchat revenue, right?

>>38948464
Diddums, you're literally SEA

>>38948477
meant for >>38948064

>>38946007
Those "music awards" are as legitimate as a poal.me, anon.

>>38947796
Yes, anon. Or at the very least talents like Kuro Shiba didn't have to resort to begging and keep her dignity intact. Also the wages are not fixed. It increases over time. But I know chinks wouldn't understand that.

>>38948233
im a nijifag and this here is pretty much the truth

Nice EOP thread

>>38948233
They’d have to because all the money the girls make doesn’t get to them until their monthly paycheck. The girls can also opt to set aside some money for projects. Iirc one of the EN girls also implied that song performance can affect if they get additional funding for their music (they get some base amount of money for song funds according to Moona).

>>38948754
there are a lot of interesting things said about it over the years
like i think Matsuri mentioned that they can ask cover to finance songs or choose to pay it all themselves and then sell the song after some time to cover

>>38947222
Ad revenue and sc are still there

god bless to those who negotiated better rates because 3 years of video backlog generates like 1k USD on a good day just from VOD views alone.

after 5-6 years the base salary is spit in a barrel

>>38950338
Lamy negotiated for better SC cuts a few months after her debut iirc

>>38949480
I remember polka also wanting cover to buy one of her songs.

>>38951373
That was her debut song, it got put up on Spotify some months ago so they bought the rights to it.

>>38943211
>Gundou
Believing this whore is a waste of time, she often misconstructs stuff or straight up lie

>>38944527
>>38944642
>>38944734
>>38944816
>>38945000
Well... https://twitter.com/bannedvtmemes/status/1603017704163926016

>>38943211
>sing and dance are exclusive idol's thing now
Do holobronies really

>>38946144
>Just don't be surprised if some EN ends-up skipping Fest.
Anon... The tickets are already in pre-sale, we know the schedule and the scenes. All EN and all JP are there.

>>38943211
Gundou should just take another vacation in Italy to avoid it

>>38948233
>implying the girls earn any money off of merch
that makes no sense, source?
Merch makes money, but the company has 0 obligation to give any of that money to the vtuber. The actors image isn't licensed, it's owned by the company.

If I sell a taylor swift lunchbox, I have to pay taylor swift for royalty fees.
If Cover sells a Polka Lunchbox, why the fuck do they have to pay "Polka"? They own the character, they can do whatever they want. Do they pay her out of the goodness of their heart?

>>38946414
>50% of the SC cuts directly
That's standard of this industry, that's what most of the corpo takes

>>38952366
Because its part of their deal.

>>38952581
When has a talent ever said anything like that?

>>38952366
nigga what? where are you from? the only corpo that i know that doesn't pay their talents a cut from merch is vshoujo. but they give 100 % of sc/membership to them as a trade off

>>38952684
NTA but Kuzuha has said before (regarding one specific merch at least) that he doesn’t get any of the money from sales (it was some ring merch iirc).

>>38952684
No? VSJ does give a cut from merch, in fact VSJ gives a majority of earnings from merch back to the streamers, they take 30% from merch and sponsorships.

Show me where a talent or a corpo has ever talked about a deal where talents are paid a cut from merch, outside of like, voice packs or other things that require the actor's assets.

>>38952781
Got a source on that stream? I'd like to see it.

>>38948634
Cope, seething holochud

>>38952833
From my asses lmao

>>38952366
you have a black company mindset

>>38952366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwYsDj3SASw&t=78s
>>38952781
hm it might depend on the merch and how much the talents put in themselfs. so something like voice packs go mostly to the talent and stuff where the company puts in most of the work ends up like that
>>38952785
huh you got a video or something of a talent talking about it? might be the same thing where stuff thats made 100% by vshoujo pays back to the company but the talents can organize their own merch

>>38952632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE_5uDhGOdE&t=191s
NTA, but here, from this exact timestamp, Gundo literally said even Kataribe, the talent that disappeared for 3 whole years, still will get her cut from merch as long as she renews her contract.
>>38952781
That's because the ring was a tie-up merch with a brand; in such case, all the talents are probably pre-paid for the merch using their asset but get nothing from the sale.

>>38953409
This isn't a black company mindset, this is basic capitalism mindset. The whole point of having a vtuber is so you don't have to pay royalties when manufacturing merchandise. All companies exist to make money, not to pay charity for no reason. When you own the rights to the character, there's very little reason to pay the actor a royalty.

>>38953469
The Lamy video specifically seems to be talking about her voice packs. Having Lamy cover the COGS of actual merchandise makes no sense from a business POV.

If we look at her 2021 set
https://shop.geekjack.net/products/yukihana-lamy-birthday-commemoration-2021-full-set

This is a playmat, a cup, plushie, etc. Sells for $100, so lets assume manufacturing costs at $50 per unit. Lets be conservative and estimate that Cover only ordered 5k units. That still comes to $250k in manufacturing costs. It would make no sense for Lamy to cover that, or even a small portion, like how would you divide the expenses, and the revenue, it would be a logistical nightmare.

On the other hand, if she was referring to her voice packs, then that might cost a couple thousand to hire an audio engineer or editiors, etc. It would make more sense to have Lamy herself cover that expense, especially if she got to decide the contents of the voice pack, as she'll have to receive royalty from the voice pack regardless. Logistically, it clears up a lot of annoying paperwork.

>>38953890
I think this is where the language difference create ambiguity. When we talk about "merch", we usually refer to physical merchandise - figures, pictures, scented candles. But in Japanese, they're using the word グッズ, which can refer to both physical and digital material, like voice packs, which I never disputed royalty payments for.

>>38954631
not voice packs but her sake
limited stock is only for stuff like signed merch everything else is made to order.

why would you ever listen to gundou. she's a pathological liar.

>>38954631
Kataribe didn't release any digital merch like voice park in 3 years, and the topic Gundo was talking about was Nijifes. At Nijifes, they were selling Offical Kataribe's merch (budget), so she is most likely referencing physical material.

>>38954859(me)
to correct myself there is other limited merch but its usually part of another promotion. stuff like collab merch or hololive Error merch were also limited

>>38954859
If it's a specialty promotion like that I can believe it, but for the majority of merchandise I have a hard time thinking that the vtuber gets any cut.

I mean, just from a marketing standpoint, if the vtubers DID get a cut the brand would want to make that fact obvious, front and center. Because its a potent tool to garner sympathy and goodwill. But when you own literally all the rights to the character, why do you have to pay the contractor you hired to use the character's face on merch? Does an anime producer have to pay a voice actress to make a dakimakura? It makes no sense from a business perspective, even though it's the right thing to do, there's no legal or financial incentive unless the actor actually needs to be paid for some contribution, like VA work for voice packs.

>>38955022
She also prefaced the whole statement with "I don't know much about this", so take it with a grain of salt.

Still, I do think this line is open to questioning.

>>38955309
well
good thing cover is morally superior to you then
jessas anon do you have some jewish blood in you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJx6R1UOkJo
here is Coco saying she paid an income tax in 8 figures range
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qd27DP3n3s
here RBC. FUCKING RBC saying she build a house. no way in hell did she do it on sc alone

>>38955590
>here is Coco saying she paid an income tax in 8 figures range
Considering Coco's lifetime SC revenue is about 300 million yen, even with cover taking 50%, that still makes more than enough to pay a 8 figure income tax at the 40% tax bracket without any additional merch revenue

>here RBC. FUCKING RBC saying she build a house. no way in hell did she do it on sc alone
RBC's made at least 50 million yen off of SC, and houses are never bought in a lump sum, always on mortgage. None of this implies that they've obtained extra merch money.

>>38943296
there's more than 150 of them dude, the company would go bankrupt

>>38946779
nijiseethe

>>38944527
>>38944642

>>38954631
No, I remember her talking about it and it was definitely merch in general, including her physical birthday/anniversary merch. It won't be simple but you can surely define the cuts based on some percentages they agree upon.
Of course, I could be wrong, but judging from what not only Lamy has said about merch, I'm under the impression that they cover a part of the production expenses, but it's more like it gets cut from their future paycheck rather than that they'd have to actually send the money.

And I think that most people saying グッズ still mean physical merch. They'd be more likely to just say ボイス when talking about voice packs.

>>38944527
Stay mad ESL shitter

>>38956300
Nijisanji has 150 chuubas? :O

>>38955941
>RBC's made at least 50 million yen off of SC, and houses are never bought in a lump sum, always on mortgage. None of this implies that they've obtained extra merch money.
she did say there was a chage were lenders now recognized vtubers as real jobs and she could borrow when she couldnt a couple of years ago

>>38952366
If the merch is designed and funded by the talents, 100% of the profits go to the talents (Source: Lamy, idk if there's any EN clips of it).
She also has enough income to be in the upper end of the tax bracket, thanks to her sake merch.

>>38952366
Based kike.

>>38952366
>If Cover sells a Polka Lunchbox, why the fuck do they have to pay "Polka"?
Because your "Polka" character is basically worthless without the talent tied to it you fucking nigger. But if I have to explain this shit to you, why are you even on /vt/? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

>>38955590
>>38955941
Do keep in mind all the talents (yes even roboco) are making easily US$10k/mo (probably closer to 20k) on memberships

>>38943296
newfag spotted. the same reason of hoe Luna join Hololive, anon. she was trashed back when she was a niji liver.

>>38944527
Holy ESL

>>38956300
They're not forcing everyone to be idols but everyone would still have to fight against the idol image even if they are not.
Axia didn't want to be an idol but had to deal with idolfags and femcels.
This is the same problem that Matsuri & many of the older holomems had to deal with. Cover didn't ban anyone from male collab. But it still became an unwritten rule because the idolfags hijacked their culture and incentivized them not to. Cover originally wanted Hololive to be modeled after AKB48 which allows for more freedom to its members.

>>38948661
They don't get a salary because there is no obligation for them to stream on a regular basis.
Would you pay somelne a salary if they never show up to work?
Shiba had a normal job she focused on and only streamed once or twice a month, treating being a vtuber as a parttime gig at most.

>>38958530
How to say you've never worked before without saying you've never worked before

>>38946414
SCs are a fraction of their income according to Polka and Matsuri.

>>38954631
>>38955309
There is a reason every one of them goes ham shilling their personal merch but most of them barely acknowledging SCs. Heck, personal merch is often something they talk about in passing since many of them design it and pick out what is in it. Watame said she funded an entire album from one personal merch run, hard to think she could do that if she was getting almost nothing from merch. They don't shill the corpo merch nearly as much. Things with companies like familymart is probably all Cover.

>>38961045
Do they, though? I'd argue that most vtubers generally shill relatively little, compared to other streamers who do for certain take home the vast majority of profit. Those guys, they will shill at literally every single possible opportunity. Every stream, every video, buy my merch. Every watched a Jake Paul video?

It's also possible to be attached to something creatively without a strong profit motive. Think of all the songs that vtubers make without seeing a dime.

That said, I'd be interested in seeing that watame quote.

>>38943211
Gundou Mirei : "I just wanna play Mahjong all day"

Out of curiosity though:
Does Anycolor also get involved if their lives have a Twitch platform?

I remember something about Kanae deactivating monetization for his Twitch platform so that he can stream games that would normally require permission and stuff.....

>>38958195
>Axia didn't want to be an idol but had to deal with idolfags and femcels.
Axia's issue wasn't purely idolfaggotry it was not being taken seriously due to being "cute" which was never something Anycolor forced, it was his own mistake for not being fucking manly. One of his first streams he banned the ant emoji because bugs scared him

>>38961200
>Do they, though?
All the fucking time during their run. If you don't watch hololive it'd make sense if you weren't aware of how things are for them.

I'm trying to find the Watame quote but it's been more than a year since she said it and my moon isn't perfect.

>>38961722
I watch plenty, I'm just pointing out how it's a relative thing. I've personally Hololive usually shills their merch relatively little, in comparison to flesh streamers and youtubers.

>>38961200
>Every stream, every video, buy my merch.
Many literally have their OP and ED as merch adverts and have a ticker running advertising it during zatsudan sessions.

>>38951635
retardation

>>38961722
>I'm trying to find the Watame quote but it's been more than a year since she said it and my moon isn't perfect.
Yeah, I'm gonna give up on this one. Too many 6 hour videos on her channel to find this myself and I can't find a clip of it.

>>38948661
>implying 200 would have saved shiba
ANON wake the fuck up
she had a NORMAL PAYING JOB she got fired
you know, a job that paid her more than 200 a month, YET her firing turned into a emergency for funds the moment it happened

>>38958933
holyshit sign me up if you know a job they will pay me a salary without the need to meet any working hours quota

>>38958530
>Not do job
>Expect to get paid
Really? Do we have commies here now?

>>38960570
And most content creators and streamers

>>38964129
That was my point though, they don't get a salary because many of them barely stream.

>oboretai rn

>>38945920
I was under that impression too, maybe they did before, but according to a recent Matsuri clip i saw, they don't get a salary https://youtu.be/r3cSBds9eEc

>>38943211
Someone should make a list of all the times Gundou lied about herself or something work/nijisanji related.

>>38955998
>there's more than 150 of them dude, the company would go bankrupt
Not if each one brings in money? Fucking hell wtf dude lmao

>>38966462
funny how hugbox groups hates otakmori but oboretai is cool only because his agenda is idol culture bad

>>38968601
This. Gundou is a serial liar. This bitch is attention whore levels of crazy. Every other thing she says is just her making shit up for the hell of it. All you had to do was take a lot at her roommate account and you could tell right away. I would not believe anything she says.

>>38963715
Gee anon it's not like work with irregular schedules hasn't been a thing for literally centuries or anything
Oh wait

>>38944241
captain clueless nigga strikes again I see

>>38943296
You get a phone and work for free but maybe the donations make you rich :D

2020fags still at it, huh

>>38973382
And those people are paid based on the premise they do the work or by the hour. Salaried employees can work the most insane hours because they are expected to do the job no matter what but may only be salaried for a set amount of hours that they exceed every day and they can get called in at any moment even while they are sleeping or on their day off and don't get anything extra for that. This is all theoretically accounted for at the end of the year with bonuses but that requires you to earn the bonus

Lol these covidfags

>>38943234
KEK

>>38943211
Nijisanji shouldn't go to the "everyone must sing and dance" route, they should just let the livers decide
Just incentivize those who want to do it, for example give higher cut for liver who will go to the sing and dance route
Some livers might still be not up for it even if there incentives, but a lot of people in general can't say no to money, even Kuzuha said his main reason for making an album is for money
And it's stupid to force 100+ people, do they expect no one to rebel?

>>38968601
>>38972222
NijiJPfags, I will excuse everything else, but defending Gundou is fucking retarded.

>>38943390
This singing and dancing business is a serious business
>HoloFest tickets, merch, food, and Blu-ray sales
>Holomembers 3D lives where the girls can shill their merch to a lot of viewers

>>38952839
Nta, but it really depends how far their fans are willing to go to get their favorites to sit at the top for those polls
Rofmao have females as the majority of their fanbase and females are very aggressive at these sort of polls
Something like oricon is more trusted, but then again Kuzuha is the vtuber who sold the most album
Without context, his sales is fucking amazing, but in all honesty, his album just seems like gacha to me
>Bonus for『Sweet Bite』 physical album
>Kuzuha English word card "Sweet Bite" (random inclusion all 3 types)
>Kuzuha "Sweet Bite" online Individual talk event application lottery ticket included
>Kuzuha & Kanae & ROF-MAO Three-Man LIVE "Aim Higher" ticket advance lottery ticket included
And if you check twitter around that time, you can see some of his fujos and yumejos went as far as buying 50+ copies

>>38951635
So is he gonna post the full screencap?

>>38952366
>Polka Lunchbox
you dont understand the business, its a character but not a brand, see when they tried to replace Kizuna Ai, besides the avatar is useless without the roommate, once she graduates the 2d live avatar is worthless like Aloe or Rushia, and no matter how good the avatar is made, it all depends on how talented is the chubba for the success, which means your post is full of bullshit

>>38951635
BASED

>>38951635
damn, newfags really got a chip on their shoulder lol

>>38956808
>100%
That's too good to be true
Cover still provide a platform to sell their merch (HoloShop), there's no way they take nothing
Small percentage? Maybe
But 0%? No fucking way

>>38961913
Nijiseethe

>>38943211
What changed?

>>38995705
They went public and their investors are demanding to see dividends on their stock

>>38991482
If they have zero need to invest in the merch, they don't have any need to take profits (which would just cause resentment, to talents who would already be reeling that half their income was being taken away by the state).
If any company asset is involved in helping out or doing anything with the merch, then of course they would take a share of profit.
Very few talents are good enough to make all of their merch self funded.

>>38995705
IPO

>>38958195
>AKB48 which allows for more freedom to its members
Yeah, AKB48, famous for it's freedom in how you choose to deal with idol culture

>>39000450
that explains it