/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Merch
Just take a quick look at their official Twitter account if you want to see how much they put out

>>3882940
Merch

>>3882940
no one gives a shit about SC. Half of them turn it off because it's bothersome. Mito doesn't even have membership enabled. Giving schizo money to Susas is not viable

>>3883015
and where's nijisanji in that?

>>3882940
>low viewer count
>low sc count
By what metric?

>>3883015
Who would want to buy merch from them? All their designs are terrible.

>>3883140
Not the point, the point is that merch is where the majority of profits lie for most companies

>>3882940
No Holofags can understand that Holo numbers are an anomaly and a lot of Nijis and indies still get "good" numbers, huh?

>>3883140
Its an example of how important merch is. Like pokemon doesn't sell that many games but the merch is what makes them that insane amount of money. High SC numbers are good but when you consider that 30% of it is just full on lost to google cucking you, and even more if your viewers SC from an iPhone having shit like voice packs and merch packages is more important. I do hope Cover ups their merch game soon because I'm tired of mediocre acrylic stands or weird plushes.

>>3882940
Their view count is fine. They still have all the sponsorships and merch does a ton to make money. Ever wonder why holos are obsessed with making merch? They know how the bread gets buttered.

>>3883343
Fans that enjoy the entertainer. Hololive isn't going anywhere, go watch it if you prefer their designs.

>>3882940
they need to do a purge. have them all stream aggressively for a week; top 20% stays, the rest gets graduated in the back of the head.

>>3883409
Each hololive "talent" has to pony up for their own merch. They want merch so badly. You can tell.

>>3882940
you think they pay their livers monthly? they only pay them per stream/merch/event lmao

>>3883503
why would they do this if the flops aren't making them lose money

>>3883619
brand protection. imagine if 80% of the items on the McDonald's menu was shit. new people coming in might order one of those shit item on accident and think that reflects every menu item.

>>3883507
They have to pay for their own merch? Are you talking about shared initiatives like the EN merch, or only if they want to make personal merch or something? I can understand if they're like making a limited 100 daki run or something and it's the member's idea, but it's ridiculous to expect them to pay for part of common shit.

>>3883507
worst part is, EN has to go thru JP to sell merch. a lot of the time the shipping cost more than the merch itself; not to mention it takes months to ship.

>>3882940
Why are all tribalfags also numberfags? How could they combine the two most insufferable, corporate-shilling, soulless parts of vtuber fandom so perfectly?

>>3883619
have you never heard the chief complaint about nijisanji? getting into it is hard because there's so fucking many it's too difficult to single one out.

>>3882940
>How is this company even surviving
by not giving streamers salaries, and taking larger cuts
in return, streamers can stream as little as they like
nijisanji streamers disproportionately streams as a side job

>>3882940
>they have to pay their own outfits
>Ichikara doesnt give a salary so if they get ill or end been a low tier then they are fucked

>>3884144
Which is dumb. If someone's like "I wanna play RPGs but dont know where to start" they do research to find one that appeals to them. Same way with vtubers. There are places to go to learn about the differences between them and find a starting point.

>>3883016
>Giving schizo money to Susas is not viable
No to mention, Youtube always changing their rules always making it tougher for the streamer. Having another sources of income other than superchat is the smartest thing to do.

>>3884253
>Ichikara doesnt give a salary so if they get ill or end been a low tier then they are fucked
Yes, get good and be entertaining.

>>3884224
They can earn way more than any holo streamer just by taking a small cut of the merch alone.

>>3884402
yeah fuck that shiba begging for money cause she lose her job and needs to pay the hospital bills, sasuga black company

>>3883343
Sukoya nurse

>>3884267
>ask the nijisanji thread in /jp/ about getting into nijisanji
>they ignore you or insult you
>ask the nijisanji thread in /vt/ about getting into nijisanji
>they ignore you or insult you
If I ask how to get into holo in hlg on /jp/ or global on here there is nothing but encouraging and positive responses. Burst into any one off thread about one particular holo and her fans will accommodate you as best as they can.

>>3884490
holomems also get a cut of the merch. they even get to design the merchs the sell, they are just restricted on the retailer.

>>3884612
/vt/ Nijithreads are nothing but accommodating, I can tell you haven't actually been in any of them, the threads were literally created with the idea of gatekeeping less in mind

>>3884686
It's also why Miko is so fucking rich despite the lack of SCs and not very high memberships.

>>3884144
Getting into it is difficult because barely anyone on this board knows Japanese and if they do it's only a handful of words. See how fast the EN threads are compared to how slow the JP thread was and still is.

>>3884940
Niji EN is suppose to alleviate that, but the ones that just debutt were not great. it's still early, so I really hope they have good chemistry.

>>3884763
A /jp/ thread has helped me get into nijisanji before and were quite supportive, but that was 2 years ago. Did something change?

>>3884005
Makes no fucking sense. Find a NA distributor, cover. You should've done that before you even did EN auditions.

>>3885133
The NijiEN talents are pretty good in my eyes and they're knowledgeable enough about the company to talk about their senpai and introduce them to a greater audience which they've already been doing. Well, besides the fish, she's a dumb zoomzoom Hololive reject who only watches Hoshikawa. But she's cute so it's okay.

>>3885223
I fucking love the fish but do you think Niji regrets accepting her yet? She's such a garbage pick for a corpo vtuber.

>>3884612
you guys ask stupid questions and want to be spoonfed basic info. thats why youre ignored and insulted

>>3883389
>>3883409
Hololive has merch too, and it's actively stocked in a lot of stores on the Akihabara stretch. Niji has had a few online stores and one big merch deal (via Sony), which was not renewed due to poor demand.

>>3883503
numbers are fine

>>3884612
>>ask the nijisanji thread in /vt/ about getting into nijisanji
>>they ignore you or insult you
you've never stepped foot into the /vt/ thread that's so notorious for spoonfeeding it's called the spoonfeed thread
or you're one of those anons who came in there to shitpost and got butthurt when they told you to fuck off

>>3885333
She's already missed her debut, admitted to pirating anime, made a reference to acid, forgot to use her outro, accidentally made a reference to a character in a video game's race... so yeah I can see why Hololive rejected her. But I honestly think she'll be fine if nobody gets majorly offended by anything she says which hasn't happened yet.

>>3882940
I assume that you consider anything below pekora/gura numbers low, right?

>>3885333
You’re thinking too much like a Holofag. Nijisanji is a lot more lax

>>3884144
you dont have to watch them all, pick the one you like the most and start from there if you want to watch them all, otherwise just stick to one, two, or maybe three livers

>>3885475
It's her first time streaming solo, but I am surprised they chose someone with so much inexperience.

>>3885475
/vt/ portended to at first.

>>3884612
If you ask for help in the nijisanji /vt/ thread you will have more than what you know what to do with. I never could vibe with the nijisanji /jp/ thread so I don't know what they are up to nowadays.

>>3884612
here you go retard https://www.nijisanji.jp/en

>>3885557
I wonder if some of her early antis are made that she got the slot over them. 4chan is the only place in the west to anti anonymously.

>>3883015
Is there a chad manager body billow?

>>3885486
that's a pretty dumb defense, Niji's best of the best compete at least with HoloJP, the real point is that the average Holo has more views, company support, and opportunities than the average Niji, to the point that Niji had to freeze their growth schedule to prevent even more retirements
you can look no further than the aborted SEEDS project and the controversy around that (NJ Gamers got pissed that SEEDS were getting actual support when they grew without assistance) for proof

>>3884612
You can ask questions in the original /vt/ nijisanji thread, just don't expect an answer for about 20 minutes due to the slowness of the thread.

>>3885610
really makes you wonder about their selection pool.

Niji regularly collabs with food, drink and general goods companies all the time while the best Hololive can do is advertise curry.

Why do many people here bitch and moan about EOP's yet you can't look up a streamer in japanese? is it just Self Hating EOP's?

>>3883866
?
Why would they think that when the top pretty much already represents the “brand” for most newcomers
People coming in for anyone else already like them for themselves and don’t care about numbers

>>3885610
Mori

>>3884494
Stop projecting on behalf of other people, she knew what she was getting into and that she wouldn’t be payed a salary when she joined, anyone who would have a problem with this wouldn’t join from the start

>>3884612
Unless you ask absolutely retarded questions the /vt/ thread will spoonfeed you, have you actually visited it.

as usual it's a nijisanji thread written by anons who don't watch them or even read posts about them in their threads

>>3884253
>>3884402
>>3884494
You're all acting like the vtubers were completely blindsided by having no flat rate salary when they applied.

>>3883343
Voice related merch

Holobros... I don't feel so good.

>>3886406
of course you don't
why you eat so much chocolate?

>>3886406
>Meiji is revenue & market share plummeting
>Nissin revenue & international market growing
a coincidence..?

>>3882940
Very simple. Just like how YouTube is surviving despite it making a loss year after year. Powerful people are behind it.

>>3886406
why does this shit work? why buy licensed perishables. they don't even change the shape of the food like some of the special breakfast cereal.

>>3885555
>He doesn't know

>>3886643
consumers are retarded

>>3886643
Because the food is good to start with so why not buy one with your favorite’s face on its package
Also people buy these just to support the person

>>3886513
Source for both of those claims? Meiji is one of the leading candy manufacturers in Japan regardless. And all Hololive did was advertise it, not literally put their faces on the product.

>>3882940
Awful company, awful vtubers, awful fans, awful everything. I can't wait until they go under. Fuck Nijisanji, fuck the talents that willingly work for that disgrace of an organization, and fuck the fans for supporting them.

>>3886643
people always want a slight change. you wouldnt want to wear the same clothes and use the same avatar until you die either

>>3886869
you mind elaborating? I don't think they are great either but I don't think they the devil incarnate like you do.

>>3886869
>Fuck veibae for shitting on Hololive she dosen't know anything!
You idiots are doing the same thing with Nijisanji. And no clips don't count morons

>>3886856
which one is more tasteful, some two second imprint on slapped packaging or endorsement and an original song? another way to look at it, Hololive's endorsement was expected to drive revenue on its own even without Nissin buying likenesses, while Nijisanji's top talents are cheap enough to rent out for dairy and chocos
you can go to the companies' revenue statements for the other claim, Meiji shrank -0.1% y/y with -8% marketshare while Nissin revenue grew over 4% with +6% marketshare

>>3885980
sasuga bootlicker

>>3886743
if i were to see a gummie shark candy with gura's face on it, I would buy it. I guess i am retarded.

>>3886983
Aloe

>>3887347
retards like you are why Gibara left

>>3887347
The Roa situation was worst. Hololive can only do so much to stop the Anti's, but Ichikara was incredibly incompetent when dealing with Roa/Meiro.

>>3887557
Gibara left? I knew I’ve been out the circle for a long time I didn’t even know about that

>>3887209
>which one is more tasteful, some two second imprint on slapped packaging or endorsement and an original song?

Massive cope. Hololive basically advertised it for free and gained very little out of it. Nobody in Japan gave a fuck about the stupid song. They have also done nothing ever since while Niji gets deals with big companies all the time.

>Meiji shrank -0.1% y/y with -8% marketshare while Nissin revenue grew over 4% with +6% marketshare

So they shrank a small amount but are still the 4th largest confectionery in the world, ok. Imagine having YOUR FACE imprinted in one of the world's most famous confectioneries.

>>3887209
This argument is fucking stupid to begin with, it's like saying Nissin and Meiji grew/shrank entirely because of those specific collabs/advertisements.

Keep replying to bait actually, this is the only time Nijisanji outside of EN gets discussed!

>>3887752
I hate nijiNijjirs

I was prepared to forgive Nijiniggers but not after the MikoMari nothingburger. I will never give you retards the benefit of a doubt, you will always be trash.

>>3887606
Aloe tried to kill herself and we had to endure months of gen 5 sadness all thanks to nijishits trying to find excuses to attack chuubas from the other company

>>3887666
>basically advertised it for free and gained very little out of it.
if you don't think Hololive got a few hundred million yen commission up front + assets costs, you're crazy, the sponsored box set of curry sold out instantly and they had to restock multiple times, and the concert/hologra/interview were also all sponsored, which means more $$$- Hololive grosses over $900k USD/concert even without in-person attendance so I "wonder" how they priced out the sponsored one.
>Imagine having YOUR FACE imprinted in one of the world's most famous confectioneries.
that's why every other famous and well-regarded professional endorsement involves putting "YOUR FACE" on shitty candies, right?
have some dignity, nijifag- Meiji is the only company willing to work with nijis, sure, and it's shrinking, but you don't have to whore out

>>3888050
less important or meaningful than the nijifags causing the Holo-caust which set Hololive back an entire year of content

Nijibros, didn't Iwanaga say that "the absolute value of superchats is higher than voices and goods combined"? No one on JP side uses the MAH MERCH argument anymore.

The copium is real: https://vtuber-matome.com/vtuber-12134-94720.html

>>3886406
Will this get me cougars to like me?

>>3888170
I remember Korones subnautica stream where she just started crying while nijifags dislike bombed and talked shit to her, they pretty much think that if they harass hololive girls nijisanji is gonna become more popular.

>>3888228
if any nijifag in this thread knew anything about Japan they'd drop the topic the moment Akiha strip shops stocking holo merch was brought up lol
shoutout to >>3887692 for not being entirely braindead retarded, you didn't finish connecting the dots to the fact that pretending Niji being affiliated with Meiji is pointless too, when Meiji is using the endorsement in the most bargain bin way possible, they probably bought rights to the likenesses for a few hundred thousand yen and started putting them on random shit like a pump n dump
B-tier advertisement for a B-tier vtuber firm

>>3888393
>they pretty much think that if they harass hololive girls nijisanji is gonna become more popular.
based on which Niji talents have the most subs/views, that might have more to do with how gay they are

>>3888228
Why did you link a matome site instead of the actual source

>>3888228
their livers are living in poverty.
https://vtuber-matome.com/vtuber-12264-95852.html
https://vtuber-matome.com/vtuber-12115-94595.html

>>3885385
The merch that is tocked in a lot of stores are fanmade.
Hololive has the retarded idea of only doing limited merch for special dates or collabs with companies.

>>3888564
Source is the Vtuber's Exper Conference during Pompoko's stream. Iwanaga was a guest.

https://youtu.be/UTZgqRgozC0?t=25148

>>3888170
No way to tell how much they earned out of it, but I doubt it was much since the song isn't very popular and barely anyone talked about it in Japan.

>that's why every other famous and well-regarded professional endorsement involves putting "YOUR FACE" on shitty candies, right?

Yes, they do this all the time in Japan, retard.

>have some dignity, nijifag- Meiji is the only company willing to work with niji

Just a few hours ago Kuzuha held an msi sponsored stream.

>>3888617
>>3888228
>matome blog
>source is the nijisanji anti thread on 5ch/futaba
>every single article sages nijisanji and ages holo
Seems legit.

>>3888715
they're not saying anything about sales here.

>>3882940
I doubt any one VTuber agency has more than 50% of the market, money-wise.

>>3888715
give me the right timestap this segment is like 40 minutes long, i'm 11 minutes in and they didn't say anything about superchat or sales so far.

>>3888705
>The merch that is tocked in a lot of stores are fanmade.
>Hololive has the retarded idea of only doing limited merch for special dates or collabs with companies.
Hololive has done a lot of timed exclusive sales on Akiha as well, yes. It's not nearly the only sponsor deals, but these include the Atre line of stores in February, Japan Post @ UDX/Fukagawa (going right now). Other than Ch*na, there is no indication that Hololive losing access to merchandise & sponsor deals, in fact, it is picking up speed, given the new online (game advertising) show produced/sponsored by Kyodo Television Co. and their merch renewal with Molly Online. I expect a sponsored US merch run when they realize how much money it'd make, too.

>>3888724
>No way to tell how much they earned out of it, but I doubt it was much since the song isn't very popular and barely anyone talked about it in Japan.
Proper sponsor deals are paid in advance. This is common sense. Nissin got large international attention (part of the deal) and, again, sold out their sponsored/limited edition items entirely, so I doubt they were unhappy anyway.
>Just a few hours ago Kuzuha held an msi sponsored stream.
Pekora got more sponsored streams since 2021 started than Kazuha has ever had, I thought we were talking merch and real, actual sponsor deals? What changed?

So I took a quick look at hololives official page

https://twitter.com/famima_now/status/1394412410610413569?s=19

Famima like super huge convenience chain in japan

https://twitter.com/Gashapon_Bandai/status/1393566848721899522?s=19

Bandai

https://twitter.com/eye_mirror/status/1393838647753940993?s=19

Some glasses thing

https://twitter.com/wstcg/status/1392378810541088769?s=19

Bushiroad

https://twitter.com/magazine_pash/status/1391609647019139074?s=19

Some fujo magazine

https://twitter.com/japanpost_shop/status/1390598440279752705?s=19

The postal service?

https://twitter.com/TSUKUMO_KOHO/status/1390139683456241666?s=19

Netshop

https://twitter.com/D4DJ_gm/status/1390229855107620867?s=19

Semi popular mobage


Do nijifags live in an alternate reality where only nijisanji is sponsored

>>3889515
>Pekora got more sponsored streams since 2021 started than Kazuha has ever had
18+?

>>3889817
>Bushiroad
Yeah and look at how much Cover helped their vtubers out lol.

>>3889900
They still sponsor them and are even adding hololive decks to one of the bushi tcgs(besides Rebirth I think) so I guess its working out for them

>>3889515
>Nissin got large international attention (part of the deal) and, again, sold out their sponsored/limited edition items entirely, so I doubt they were unhappy anyway.

Imagine thinking any of this was due to a shitty song nobody cared about. Nissin is gonna sell their stuff regardless of hololive existing or not.

>Pekora got more sponsored streams since 2021 started than Kazuha has ever had

Post a single stream of hers where it shows her directly being sponsored by a big name. I don't think I've ever seen it.

>>3889889
Wasn't just Kuzuha, a random assortment of them regularly do these things. IIRC Kanae is also an official brand ambassador for Logicool.

>>3889889
yes

>>3890095
>Nissin is gonna sell their stuff regardless of hololive existing or not.
this stuff was a sponsored limited run line that was only linked to by Hololive properties & news reports related to it as a special box run (not random products in a store), pic related, ran $91/pop with a CD, the box itself, and a pack of curry meshi - sold out multiple times
do you have a brain aneurysm that compels you to smash entire twice per line? lol retard

>>3890493
>yes
Can you link them all please?

>>3890522
>can you link 20+ streams
no

>>3890546
The burden of proof is on you
I know youtube is down so I’m fine with waiting until it isn’t

>>3883343
Based

Don't nip companies launch their financial reports in april, did those come out already

>>3890493
>sell a small stock of a bunch of random shit + curry
>we did it holobros, we made nissin famous internationally

Lmao

>do you have a brain aneurysm that compels you to smash entire twice per line? lol retard

That's normal spacing. Sorry you can't write.

>>3890522
>>3890622
He's obviously lying or Pekora is sponsored by a bunch of nobodies that aren't even worth showing on the stream. I can't find a single stream with the logo of a famous brand attached anywhere unlike the Kuzuha one a couple hours ago.

>>3890522
>>3890622
Never mind you don’t have to, I checked myself and it’s not true

Nijjers get the rope.

>>3890622
>>3890818
streams tagged with rights reserved/streaming approved specifically are sponsored using the tightest limit of disclosure requirements in Japan, while "used with permission" or "monetized after approval" or no notice at all is not sponsored. You'll notice that almost all of the Square Enix releases have the right one... that should explain itself.
MSI has a different model because it is trying to tap into esportz, it is no more valid or important than getting paid twice to stream Dragon Quest or such

>>3890789
Nissin is already famous internationally (Cup Noodles is stocked nationwide in the USA), you are making a fool out of yourself because you don't want to have to focus in on how bad this all looks for niji

on a related note,
>That's normal spacing. Sorry you can't write.
look at what everyone else is doing around you, retard, you stick out like the sore anus you are - the only other post with spastic linebreaks is a list of links, which is only a partial break from decorum
lurk more

Did famima drop nijisanji for hololive?

>>3891135
yes, dropped Nijis ages ago and renewed Hololive for a second run this March
I bet Nijisanji makes so much money in merch though, you wouldn't believe it

>>3891199
Yeeah I find it weird Nijisanji used to be their poster boys now its only hololive

>>3890493
Anybody ordered Pecer's Umeshu?
How was it?

>>3891009
That's not what sponsorship means at all. Stop twisting the meanings Pecuck. She's simply allowed to stream the content now after Hololive's non-approved shit got all deleted/privated.

>>3889515
>Pekora got more sponsored streams since 2021 started than Kazuha has ever had

Kuzuha 2021 sponsored streams: total 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43KF3tYnVPk sponsored by Mahjong Souls - Yostars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOJUHwQ9uH8 sponsored by Momotaro Dentetsu - Showa Heisei - Japanese classic - KONAMI
https://twitter.com/Vamp_Kuzu/status/1345368891816464392

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbk439rXZWw】- sponsored by MSI Computer Japan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q08EFAt0VKc - sponsored by Nintendo/Koei Tecmo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG5qUalnIhA sponsored by Good Smile Inc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6LNH2OytcY sponsored by Mihoyo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cloOgRdVr8 sponsored by MSI Computer Japan

Pekora 2021 sponsored streams: total: 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=terewmFs8_M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyMZFPXhWKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgYD7QB5pE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0BB73G8Igw
Sponsored by Capcom - Ghost n' goblins streams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1po3Yyrpi0 sponsored by Square Enix

>>3891199
That's kinda like the im@s vs LL debate

>>3884144
Sure, but that's already done.

>>3887606
The worst thing to this day is your beloved Cover dealing with harassement for Mel.

>>3888715
This isn't a source faggot.

>>3891233
maybe it's because Nijis are just so valuable it cost too much to license them again, which is why famima plates were 4 for 4750 (1100 yen ea) while Hololive are full size plates for 2250 each

>>3891280
no, the behavior around Square Enix is seedy and almost definitely sponsored, they used nearly identical tags and layouts for sponsored streams from Microsoft and such with minimal disclosure
despite Japan being tight on rights, they are very lax on talking about if you are/are not paid to say something

>>3891366
if you discard the other square enix streams, then Kazuha would have a couple extra, yes
notice the similarity in tagging in Pekora's DQ streams specifically

How the fuck people act like Nijisanji is a failure in here? This company is MUCH above any other agency in this industry and in the world. What the fuck. Do you all forget that most vtubers even from agencies are doing less than 1k? The third biggest agency in Japan with 774 has 90% of their vtubers behind 1k, ffs. Wake the fuck up, Nijisanji is doing great on this industry even with hololive existing!

Why can't people just enjoy the vtubers? I watch literally everything except Vshoujo, and though sometimes I wish certain streamers had more attention, like Nina Saotome, I'm not autistic enough to put myself on the level of a /v/tard. Even if it's ironic, that's an even bigger waste of time than watching hours of vtubers

>>3891632
Niji insecurity is insisting that Nijisanji must be "bigger than Hololive" to matter despite ample evidence to the contrary
start there, anon

>>3891562
Isn't a "I'm being sponsored" in the beginning of the stream good enough, it reminds of the time nijifags tried to fuck Pekora and Marine over for stealth marketing when they did a priconne stream

>>3888617
>Living in poverty
>Kanae purchasing 1M yen microphones

I think EN will be the braking point of niji and here's why
>these 3 girls debut
>they put effort into everything, stream every day for multiple hours, even make a weekly schedule which no one in JP bothers with
>it pays off a little, only 1/10th of holo but whatever, it's better than being a no name indie
>some time in june or maybe july, they debut another 3, repeat the same thing with diminishing returns
>then another 3 or maybe even more a month or two later in the trademark niji scattershot fashion
>cue stagnation before the year is even over
>westerners actually have balls so at some point someone from the latter gens who is disgruntled with niji publicly speaks up about the awful management
>not even the most delusion nijinigger can continue to live in denial
>the house of cards crumbles
>the CEO quits and uses his daddy's money on another startup

>>3891724
Hololive is very bad about stealth marketing, yes, and sometimes that isn't even necessary
discussion of size & profitability should not be construed as universal endorsement

>>3891750
Shion whos probably under 20 bought her own apartment in Tokyo

>>3891763
>westerners actually have balls so at some point someone from the latter gens who is disgruntled with niji publicly speaks up about the awful management
It's not a matter of having balls or not anon it's a matter of signing an NDA. Never gonna happen.

>>3891781
If it is on video that you are saying its a sponsored stream or you put it in the description I don't see why would anyone cry about it

>>3891763
Nice fanfic anon.

>>3891562
If it's a sponsered stream, then she had to tweet the streams with #PR, because you're legally obligated to say that you're being paid to play a certain game or use certain product. Her DQ streams don't have anything that implies that. Her other shills streams do though.

>>3891794
the reply chain is about the rrat that niji livers are poor, calm down

>>3891794
I don't see how Shion having her own apartment makes other livers live in poverty. Are you okay anon?

>>3891763
I find it hard to believe people will think this will ever happen.

>>3891763
None of this will happen.Nijisanji also don't launch waves that fast since last year. If anything, auditions only will open in like 6 months.

>>3891679
"Bigger" in terms of what? Popularity or profit? Ichikara is worth way more as a company than Cover is.

>>3891905
They don't in Japan, which is where the stagnation is already in full effect after 2 years of non stop debuts. They will try in EN.

I wonder how much Niji livers take on things like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjj6D8AvFV0

I mean Fujitsu isnt some small time company

>>3892034
>They will try in EN.
Hold up. We got Tazumi in here with us

>>3891562
>pekora did more shills streams this year than Kuzuha did in his whole life
>anon provides source showing the opposite
>n-no, t-that doesn't count, you need to add up these other streams that don't say that it's sponsored at all, but I believe it is
What the fuck is your problem.

>>3884253
Nijisanji has a point budget system for outfits that you accumulate via time and milestones. If you stay within budget the outfit is free. Mito and Hima already talked about this.

>>3892044
Fujitsu phone is dead outside of japan, what a fitting brand for anycolor sponsor.

>>3891809
it's harder to threaten EN talents with the Yakuza breaking their kneecaps if they talk about their contract when they don't even live in Japan, as a result they probably actually have very decent contracts like nijiIN and will simply be axed if they don't deliver

>>3891942
despite already entering venture capital hardcore and pulling Sony investment, Nijisanji has not produced direct or indirect results
"bigger" in the sense that matters most on a board about vtubers- performance of talents, operations, outreach, their sponsorships and activities
Cover has more average subs and views per Hololive than Niji does for its talents, more products, more live and online events, more interviews, a TV-station produced show launched a few days ago, it is exploding in Japan and overseas, so on the list goes...
Cover is also non-VC with low shares speculative investment (Early-Seed stage VC) while Nijis have already blown through Stage B... since Cover is already "winning" it hasn't been pushed into seeking further investment to try and take market share, but if it does, I would expect significant interest especially due to US market access

>>3892175
Japanese have a weird selection of phones. Though apple still dominates there, Fujitsu itself isnt a small company that will pay peanuts for an advert though.

>>3892234
>more products, more live and online events, more interviews
If you dont follow Niji it would look like it yeah

>>3892175
They have more viewers because of Americans and third worlders worlders. There was a statistic a while ago that showed Pekora's viewers are 45% non-Japanese for example. Kuzuha is way more popular than her in Japan.

>>3892234
You are clueless

>>3892408
No one reply to this

>>3892392
even if you do follow Nijisanji it still "looks like it" overwhelmingly, 2020 was not kind to Nijisanji because Nijisanji admin was not kind to their business model
the only way you could miss that would be being a EOP

>>3892417
ez

>>3885807
Who the fuck is that beside Kuzuha? Some obscure JP vtuber?

>>3892492
One of the other popular male Nijisanji members

>>3892455
Actually I was wrong it's 60%. Literally the majority of Pekoshit viewers are EOPs and ESLs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdmYDCYuizs Kuzuha is KING in Japan. It's time to cope, Holobrony.

>>3892560
Screenshot your membership.

>>3892492
>He doesn't know the God of Lolicons

>>3888842
>noooo if you age Holo then you're a holofag
Speaking like a true nijifag huh

>>3892469
so far, you didn't post anything with a source, and you already got the shill streams wrong, you should stop already. nijisanji doing well won't kill hololive, hope you get your meds one day.

>>3892654
You don't age things you hate, look at you, this thread and board.

>>3892560
Clipfaggot, pls. That's graph is from Pekora's poll in twitter that's shared by herself. That's totally not an accurate means to gauge and analyze her viewer.
The only slightly accurate way is from her Youtube analytic. And after a whole Taiwan fiasco there's no way they are allowed to show that anymore.

>>3892681
>wrong
look forward to the drama in a few months when Hololive is forced to admit the sponsorship, lol

>>3892492
just another top dog male niji vtuber you EOP holofag will never know.

>>3892748
You’re replying either to a shitposter who’s not posting in earnest or an underage bandwagoner, either way waste of time

>>3892802
So that's the average Nijishitter in /vt/ or /jp/?
No wonder.

>>3892844
It’s (You)

>>3892748
>That's totally not an accurate means to gauge and analyze her viewer.

Why not? If it was posted by Kuzuha on his twitter you can bet it would be at least 95% Japanese. Stop coping and accept that holoshit gets beaten by NijiCHADs like Toya and Kuzuha in Japan where the real market is.

>And after a whole Taiwan fiasco there's no way they are allowed to show that anymore
Funny you mention that because Haato's JP viewers were even lower in that, and that's before she really blew up in Muttistan and the turd world.

>>3892784
is ago even a top dog these days? Considering he rarely streams and if he does it's almost always in the dead of night in JP. His streams are still top content though

>>3892844
Treat your dementia.

>>3892234
muh online events
>数万枚
kek

>>3892904
>holoshit gets beaten by NijiCHADs like Toya and Kuzuha in Japan where the real market is.
Cope.
They even removing their #1 Vtuber company logo from their web, because they know. Unlike you, a delusional fans.
Also, here too. Poll straight from Shonen Jump. You probably can't read it though.

>>3892541
Surprised the Kanae stream is still that high, the stream felt laggy that I had to watch it on Hendy's channel

>>3893077
>poll
>no results
Anon?

>>3893109
Well, it's not the results. It's just a list of 35 Vtubers picked by Jump for their reader to choose. 20/35 of it are Hololive talents.
Also, they asking if Jump going to make their own Vtuber would their reader watch it or not.

>>3893077
>Ame and Ina are omitted
Damn, they really aren't popular in Japan lmao

>>3893180
I know, I can read it, but so what? If there is no result, how can you know who is more relevant?

>>3893077
Your shitty poll will never change the fact that Kuzuha is way more popular than the reddit rabbit in Japan.

>>3893077
>can read some of their names
bros... i'm gonna make it

>>3893243
anonsama...

>>3893240
>Your shitty poll
Is this your way to cope?
Don't worry at least Kuzuha is in that poll, as the only male Vtuber too. Too bad for Toya and Kanae though, lmao.

>>3891942
I wish you Nijiniggers would stop bringing up how much "profit" and "investments" Ichi.....I'm sorry...ANYCOLOR brings in. It's literally meaningless to any discussion relevant to this board. It's like saying that Microsoft is a much bigger company than Nintendo so they must be the bigger name in videogames even though Nintendo is absolutely beating the pants off of them in the videogame market right now.

Cover is running a more successful and popular vtuber agency than ANYCOLOR right now. They put up better youtube numbers, get much higher engagement, have much higher fan enthusiasm, and have managed to execute a successful global expansion plan which ANYCOLOR has yet to do. Those are the facts.

>>3893240
i have to admit, kuzuha's design is cool

>>3892904
cope. shes no.1

>>3893327
Pekora is less popular than Gawr Gura in Japan according to your trash poll. Are you sure you want to imply that? They're probably just choosing them based off their designs alone.

>>3893077
This looks like they just pulled 35 names from the top 100 subbed VTubers.

>>3893348
>OP writes that nijisanji is shit in everything, and has no idea how they're making in the market
>nijifag explains their reasonings
>Noooo, this is a meaningless discussion, and it's irrelevant, my favorite [BRAND] is better than yours

>>3893444
>Pekora is less popular than Gawr Gura in Japan. Are you sure you want to imply that
Sure, of course I want to imply that. That is the power of a competent company that can actually successfully launch a global expansion plan. Something ANYCOLOR has absolutely failed to do despite multiple attempts at it.

>>3893497
Holobronies everyone

>>3893444
EOP pls.
It's not the fucking result. It's just handpicked by Jump editorial and then they asked their reader to choose.

>>3893471
Not really.
I mean yeah, they're all some of the most popular Vtubers. But it's not sorted by their subscriber counts. You just said that because Ai is no.1 and Gura is no.2.

If you answered 1-2 in the previous question, who are your favorite virtual YouTubers? (Pick up to 3)

Kizuna Ai
Gawr Gura
Lize Helesta
Oozora Subaru
Usada Pekora
Mori Calliope
Houshou Marin
Minato Aqua
Akai Haato
Takanashi Kiara
Mirai Akari
Kaguya Luna
Uruha Rushia
Sakura Miko
Anju Katrina
Tokino Sora
Shirakami Fubuki
Shiragane Noel
Inugami Korone
Kaf
Honma Himawari
Higuchi Kaede
Hoshimachi Suisei
Dennou Shojo Siro
Shiina Yuika
Amane Kanata
Kuzuha
Kiryuu Coco
Tsukino Mito
Yukihana Lamy
Roboco-san
Sasaki Saku
Otogibara Era
Suzuhara Lulu

>>3893423
that's just a viewing time ranking, it doesn't say anything about being only in Japan.

>>3893512
Look at this Nijinigger, everyone.
The only way he could saying is 'trash poll' which is made by Shonen Jump, the literal giant of manga magazine that's read by teenager and young adult in the whole Japan.
It's much more credible than your sperging,

>>3893646
I pray for your mental health if Kuzuha ends up winning that, which will probably happen considering who buys Jump.

>>3893573
>No Nijis on the list
KEK

Can I have some (You)s too since you fellas are handing them out so easily?

>>3893573
I didn't say anything about it being sorted by sub count. Just that the list of names are from the top 100 most subbed i.e. they all have at least 330k subs.

>be nijisanji
>see small company called Hololive
>small company begs for collabs cause small
>help them out and give em exposure
>that company gets big very big
>they now stop collabing with you
>effectively used and dumped you like a whore
You know its true holofags, hololive are leeches and bugs just like their fanbase

>>3893678
why the fuck do you retards hate nijisanji so much, when you don't shit about them. you don't even recognize their names.

>>3893712
*you don't know

>>3893707
>Hololive pumped and dumped Nijisanji
Kinda fucking based, not gonna lie

>>3893471
To be fair subs number is actually the most important number, not views/live viewers cope shit that people here are wanking around.

>>3893780
Kuzuha beats Pekora in both in Japan :^) Only like 30% of Pekora's subs must be Japanese.

>>3893712
For me it's the males. I am disgusted by the concept of male vtubers to a deep level, like pure unfiltered disgust. At least Hololive banished their males to the ghetto and they very very rarely interact with the actual girls (aside from whores like Fubuki and Matsuri). In Nijisanji they are considered equal to the girls and that is absolutely vile to me.

What's the deal with 2020 hololive newfags who keep trying to rewrite VTuber history? Cover didn't plan anything that led to hololive's "success"; the whole history of hololive's existence is a series of lucky breaks and good grace starting with Sora's Christmas miracle.

>>3893863
For me it's the females. I am disgusted by the concept of female vtubers to a deep level, like pure unfiltered disgust. The way they lie to their audience (who's mentally ill) and use the just a character cope when getting called out is extremely extremely disturbing. They are ruining the economy by deluding young socially-inept men into giving them money by pretending to be their 'girlfriend'. In Nijisanji these """"""women"""""" are less frequent and their viewers watch for the entertainment not for the delusions.

>>3882940
they dont pay salaries so they try to get as much chuubas as possible trying to find more golden eggs.
Pretty shitty in my opinion

>>3893704
Feels like a totally random assortment as well. I dont see a lot of the other high sub people like tamaki in it.

why are you shitposters obsessed with kzh

>>3893997
>ANYCOLOR doesn't pay their employees
LITERALLY SLAVE LABOR. Holy shit if that isn't a black company I don't know what is. Fuck ANYCOLOR!

>>3894042
one day retards who don't watch zuha will keep him out of their mouths. clearly not today though but one day eventually.

>>3894166
i like to think that they secretly have a crush on him
don't worry anons, your secret is safe with me

>>3894042
He is the only one who can consistently challenge hololive dominance of the top 12 board.

>>3893778
Something about this bitch makes me mad. I want her to graduate so badly.

>>3894642
>consistently
This last day was the first time he legit put up Hololive numbers in like 3 months. He hasn't challenged shit.

Is the increased shitposting because nijiEN’s song shat on HoloEN’s?

>>3894729

>>3894706
I post in the numbers thread, he's almost always in the top twelve, even after the blue oni cut him off at the knees. He just doesn't get consistently 30k anymore

>>3894764
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA SO THIS IS THE FABLED HOLOMYTH KILLER?

>>3894815
hard to kill the competition when they use bots.

>>3894729
kek

>>3894830
Is muh bots the new muh merch?

>>3894729
Those numbers are pretty close and considering the Niji song was spammed in advertisements to everybody watching Hololive it's actually kind of sad that they are so close to each other in views. The Niji song literally only has ad shill views, lol.

>>3894830
ok, chink

>>3894843
Post brapfish numbers too just for kicks

Based @SleepMonster getting onto the chart.

My uncle loves Rin so I think that's pretty based.

>>3893888
Sometimes it better to be lucky than good. A series of flukes. I don't mind their success but I wish it was more substantiated on good practices.

>>3894886
I cant find her on Vnuma´s top 25

>>3894764
If only they stayed for the stream too instead of all leaving once the stream peaks.

>>3884612
awful company
awful fans

>>3894955
Who?

>>3894977
that's brutal, aside from the fact it was delayed a few days

>>3895012
YouTube literally died, fuck off

>>3893707
Meanwhile in real world.

>>3885661
They are busy throwing insults at each other and accusing anyone of liking the nijien as raiding shitposters.

>>3895057
Cope

>>3895120
again with this stupid lie

>>3895132
Go there and see for yourself. >>>/jp/34790795

>>3895120
The nijisanji threads here have been very nice. The nijisanji JP thread has expressed common friendship with all branches but would prefer it if other branches had their own thread as to not drown out JP discussion, preservation of that is important to everyone. In nijisanji EN threads people are recommended to watch all of nijisanji.

>>3895124
Have sex

>>3895092
You can tell how uncomfortable Suisei is to be forced to be on stage with a Niji whore. This was forced by the organizers of the event so it doesn't count. Hololive would never collab with Nijisanji.

>>3883343
They purposely design their merch in a way that you can wear them outside with revealing your otaku power levels.

>>3895201
>expressed common friendship with all branches
So you didn't check the archives for the deleted posts then?

>>3895577
/vt/
Everyone still on /jp/ needs to get the rope.

>>3895196
im not fucking talking about /jp/
does no one on this board care about the nijisanji thread on here that was before EN debuted, jesas

>>3895609
Sorry you said jp thread and i thought you meant the thread on /jp/

>>3895649
No, but he was
>>3885661
>I never could vibe with the nijisanji /jp/ thread so I don't know what they are up to nowadays.

>>3894765
>He just doesn't get consistently 30k anymore
Getting 30k was never the norm for him. He’d only ever break this whenever he was teamed up with AQF, or during some sort of special collab, or sometimes when he’d try to reach some goal, at least whenever it came to Apex. The only people who claim this are those who don’t watch him.

>>3894972
I don't mind it too much either. I'm just tired of all the newfags being idiots and not shutting up. I've been watching VTubers since early 2017, but the increased toxicity in the community due to the boom last year really drags the mood down when trying to discuss this hobby.

>>3895755
And obviously I’m not including actual events in this.

>>3894955
Rin plays boomer games so I think it's on point

>>3895017
He said his uncle, can you read??

>>3895755
this. his numbers are the same as they've been, and the times where views fluctuate can also easily be explained (tournaments or events, collabs, change of game). people who say he's ending hololive girls are falseflaggers who don't watch him, and people who say he's reclining are trolls who also don't watch him.