/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>38844327
hang yourself lost-phone-call

>>38844327
Henri was right

>>38844327
>join anything other than Hololive
>immediate schizo meltdown on multiple platforms and a loss of schizoid numbers
>now her viewerbase has less Holofags
Sounds like a plus to me 2bh

How could she let herself get fat
She used to be so cute...

>>38844665
The issue wasn't she joined the company, it's that she joined VShojo. Heck people were expecting her to found her own company or join VOMS.

>>38844327
>Just remember, she abandoned her actual room mate in favour of the NDA breaking needy streamer and pink cat.
You meant her roommate took incentive to abandon her after Cover just told her that there might be risk of leaking information to Nazuna

>brings someone who just got fired for leaking info to another company
>Why do they hate me??????????
She's got such a victim complex.

>>38844704
I don't see a difference, everyone promptly shat themselves in anger and went scorched Earth over a single company. It's some real Twittard shit

Also a lot of Japs hated V-Shojo before kson even joined mostly because they seen screenshots of them watching anime on twitch, Rozen Maiden I think? And yeah they get all uppity about copyright and piracy etc.
Also I think a lot of them only know about VShojo from all that dumb shit that Vei said.

>>38844704
NO THEY WERE NOT "EXPECTING" THAT
YOU WERE
FUCKING SCHIZO
VOMS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN JOIN YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING RETARD
IT IS JUST THE VTUBERS THAT ARE DRAWN BY THE ARTIST GYARI
THERE'S NO MANAGERS THERE
SHE DOESN'T WANT TO START A COMPANY AND DO OFFICE WORK BECAUSE SHE HATES FORMAL WORK AND JUST WANTS TO PLAY GAMES HER WHOLE LIFE

The redditdragon and her decisions have been disastrous for the vtubing industry.

>>38844704
>Heck people were expecting her to found her own company
Literally impossible after the Taiwan shit, nobody would join.
>Join VOMS
You dont join VOMS.

>>38844779
You do know that VShojo is one of THE most hated vtuber companies in the world.

>>38844807
And because VShojo members such as Silvervale constantly shat on Hololive.

I wish she left vshojo

>>38844831

>>38844886
/vt/ hates vshojo... The world can't give two fucks about them.

>>38844905
Yeah her talent is being wasted on Vshitshow. She should have joined an agency where her creatividad can shine again, like Phase. If she's so anal about owning her IP she can do it as Invader

>>38844327
>> "Why do they have to hate me because they hate VShojo? Like I have nothing to do with that right?"

Um, yes, you literally joined them, so yes, you DO decidedly have things to do with them.

>>38845034
We're talking about someone who incited the chinks then left so Fubuki had to deal with them for about a year.

>>38845033
hang yourself henry

>>38845033
Phase is good and doesn't give a fuck about China but she would never have joined such a small company and ended up overshadowing the rest.

How they built their brand with Pippa, Tenma, etc worked much better than getting injected someone like kson.

>>38844998
Dude, people outside of /vt/ hate Vshojo as well.

>>38845033
why would she join another corpo, she can do better on her own

>>38844327
>is vshojo hated?
Yeah.

>>38845124
>trust me bro.
Nuxfags and 2 view rejects are hardly "the world".

>>38844868
>Literally impossible after the Taiwan shit, nobody would join.
Every 2 view under the sun would be begging to join, who cares if you can escape the 2 view hell

>>38845129
No she cant, shes literally stated her reasons for joining vshojo countless times, its to use their resources for merch and other shit because most companies wouldnt touch her, or wont touch you at all without a corpo backing you.
Watch streams for the love of good.

>>38845129
she told you why she joined them but you people just dismissed that as "shilling"

>>38845235
>>38845239
she can do better on her own, no one really needs vshojo, it's a scam

>>38844327
Her response is based as fuck. Further reinforcement as to why I love this woman and will be attempting to marry her when I move to Japan.

>>38844998
For all the "/vt/ doesn't matter" shit that gets thrown around we are one of the largest hubs of the fanbase in the west and its quite sickening.

>>38845233
>Join the company ran by the vtubing equivalent of the elephants foot
>All other companies write you off cause of the taiwan sht
>Cant get anyone to produce merch for you cause of the taiwan shit
You really have no idea just how big the spectre of the taiwan shit is, she will NEVER get away from it, even if she quits vtubing it will follow her.

>>38845235
Why does she need to sell merch *that* much

>>38844327
>be constantly told "if you don't like it don't watch"
>dislike it therefore unsub and stop watching
>somehow that's a problem
considering the antis she was victim to in the past, i understand kson fans being sensitive about any perceived hate towards their oshi. but the FUCK THE HATERS!!! attitude being displayed in that comment section (and in other places) is bizarre to me. what's wrong with people silently unsubbing to her? is youtube subscription a forever binding contract?
and even if you disagree with the reasons stated for unsubbing... why do people need to justify themselves for unsubbing to a creator they no longer wish to watch?
and again, i'm talking about the simple action of unsubbing. i know kson still gets bad antis, but that's not what i'm referring to.

>>38845383
No wonder Vtubing is dying

>>38845408
So why would a 2 view give a shit if it turns her into a 3 digits streamer

cope is strong in this video. Still if she was smart she got a big slice of that 11 mill VC money so it probably eases the pain of rejection

SEAmonkey is working hard today

daily reminder that Kson is ok but Ksonfag are niggers, that is all.

>>38844704
>join VOMS.
jajaja

>>38845408
Most 1-2 views indies have virtually no chance of getting merchs, sponsorship or collabs with other big companies anyway. Why should they care about that?

>>38844729
no one but cover dickriders give a fuck about based rushia leaking the info of the leech subhumans that work under cuckgoo, it's more of the fact that vshojo is just as bad as cover

>>38844327
>Needy Streamer
I don’t see how her joining VShojo favors the Hololive members.

>>38844729
I am a year old tourist and I can tell a lot of hate is because of Michael and breaking her "promise" of founding her own company.

>>38845435
Because merchs dwarf SCs by far when it comes to revenue. And it's not like her SC were holding strong either.

>>38845662
A lot of hate is her joining one of the most hated vtuber companies in the world.

>>38844327
get a life retard
lmao

>>38845708
hololive?

>>38845721
Hololive is "most beloved"

>>38845710
You realise you can take images from this board and reuse them right?

Take your meds.

>>38845768
it's so beloved that's why they're bleeding viewers left and right

>>38845034
>Said it was Hololive or nothing to her before joining the most disliked trend leech vtuber company in existence.
>Said she would finally have the freedom to do what she wanted to do, to then do nothing interesting and then again, join most creatively bankrupt vtuber company there is. One whose branding was based practically around being anti-Hololive and vague moralfagging, because they had nothing of actual quality going for them.
>Botan cried for this bitch, when she left and she has the gall to write "FAMILY" in big letters as a reason to join a bunch of twitch whoretubers.
Damn, I wonder why people would hate her for joining Vshojo, it's real fucking mystery.

>>38845768
Think you mean Nijisanji

>>38844998
Hated Vshojo for cancelling Nux taku.
Those bitches deserve the hate.

>>38845294
All VTuber agencies are investors scam. The millions of investor money they are getting doesn't line up with the reality of a bunch of hobos begging for money on stream.

>>38845453
>what's wrong with people silently unsubbing to her?
It's actually quite concerning when that happens because it means those people were really engaged with the channel. Most people just don't care.

>>38845829
In what world? EN isn't the entire company retard

>>38844327
>had a crush
Had a crush on who, WHO

>>38844327
Uhuh. It definitely wasn't anything to do with going from one of the most creative and innovative vtubers in existence to e-whore number 999,999,999. I'm sure that very rare gimmick that is being done by every other female on Twitch didn't hurt her numbers in any way whatsoever. It was the corpo!

>>38845968
Melody

>>38844697
>that
>fat
Unless she's wearing a really slimming outfit I wouldn't call that fat.

>>38845949
Unsubbing takes one click, it's not even a membership

>>38845781
you realize I'm showing you how she lives in your head rentfree.

>>38845708
Aren't you repeating yourself with no proofs?

>>38846013
Oh. Ok yeah I can see that.

Yeah vshojo is hated by a big part of the community. But they still pull bigger numbers than most of niji and holo so don't think they really give a fuck. Kson gets to do whatever she wants that clip did not come off that she was upset with the decision at all

>Join V-Shojo, company advertising themselves with "Talent freesom" that is just thinly veiled lack of support, enforced by being just part of their side branch.
>Lack any skills to self-manage and rotate all the profits raised during work in Hololive
>Devolve into boring, pointless, repetitive meme-reacting tittie monster.
>"Why I am losing popularity?!"

>>38844327
>The shaky cope in her voice
>That instant need for vindication
>That hypocrisy of disassociating with vshojo in the same sentence as justifying her inclusion
Man I'd give her a hug, but I think she's on a spectrum, she'd take it the wrong way. She seems more like a victim of vshojo now, it's almost nefarious how they targeted girls unaware of their full reputation.

>>38845768
They don't have an EN3 because no one wants to apply due to hellish management. They lost Maria to Nijisanji and the ghost to the Jewish company. Now they are about to lose Ina and Ame.

>>38846093
"Talent freesom" that is just thinly veiled lack of support, enforced by being just part of their side branch.
>Lack any skills to self-manage and rotate all the profits raised during work in Hololive
>Devolve into boring, pointless, repetitive meme-reacting tittie monster.
But enough about HoloEN

>>38845841
no she didn't say that
no she didn't say that
>>38845981
clipwatcher
>>38846093
she hasn't done react stuff in literally 2 months and before that it was a once per month thing

>>38844886
>You do know that VShojo is one of THE most hated vtuber companies in the world.
This incel board is not "the world"

>>38846130
I just don't get why she didn't stay as an indie, she was doing good for being on her own.

>>38846037
He means that most people are just passive who will maybe watch here or there, unsubbing shows a pretty active viewer aware and updated at what you're doing to choose to opt out. Also losing a subscriber shows more impact than unmembering since that can just mean that person is getting more responsible with their money and might still watch your stream.

Kson is kind of retarded huh?
I get going after hololive, but she fucking killed any goodwill she had left when she talked shit about nijisanji.

>>38844665
People unironically believed her when she said that she's "not going to join any company, not in a million years". serves them right for being retarded.

>>38845981
She wasn't that creative. If anything she is stagnating because she is not playing interesting games, even going back to Ark.

>>38845844
Okay Nux.

>>38845453
It's a woman moment. You're not supposed to actually not watch, you're supposed to be shamed into watching something you hate so she doesn't have to change or feel bad about her behavior

>>38846279
Offload some work and the idea of being in a group is just typically stronger. Sadly she spoke enough English for the red light district of vtubers to whisper delusions into her ears.

>>38845383
Lmao /vt/rannies are delusional,
Even the biggest /vt/ threads amount for 200-300 unique posters at most. that's 2view realm.
Amount of people =/= amount of spam.

>lies about making her own group since she got her first model post Holo
>immediately jumps on the first corpo dick that wants her blacklisted ass and instantly dials up the whorishness to max
>"WTF, WHY DOES NO ONE LIKE ME ANYMORE?"
Typical woman moment. Everything is the result of DA HATERS, not your own shitty actions.

>>38846589
How many bigger hubs do you think exist?

>>38846455
All VTubers are into the red light district sis, the business model is the same as sex workers.

>>38844327
Did you see her recent viewer Christmas gift unboxing video?
>I got kicked out of hololive and all Taiwan gave me was this T-shirt

>>38846589
4chan is like Twitter. A small loud minority that doesn't really matter as much as they think.

>>38846645
this is what threadreaders really believe

>>38844886
>>38845708
That Kson collab with Holos roommates really mindbroke this SEAmonkey lemao

No one ITT is talking about what she actually said, which is that she got a lot of shit when she joined VShojo just because it was VShojo, which they didn't like for reasons that were unrelated to her actual streaming. She did lose viewership too, but that was all before she even joined, in the period where she returned to facestreaming as kson. And despite that she's still one of the most SC'd streamers on Youtube.

>>38846589
That's more actual daily active users than the biggest hololive discord you can find

>>38844704
>people still think VOMS is some huge corporation when it's just one vocaloid artist's passion project and four shut-ins that don't even give him any channel revenue just because one of them speaks English and got really popular two years ago

>>38846645
>dial up whorishness
Wonder where she got it from?

She needs s bigger group of people to bounce with. She needs to start scouting more people for VShojoJP.

>>38845296
Anon I've heard her imply numerous times that the reason she thinks she is successful is because she doesn't care about dudes. Why are (you) any different?

>>38846815
/#/monkeys have written a whole fanfiction story about kson trying to poach mel&choco and them ratting her out to yagoo and that's why kanata moved out
so of course seeing evidence that she's still friends with them would piss them off

>>38846645
>making her own group
Where did this even come from? She never said anything like that lol

>>38846903
>thinks discord groomers matter at all

>>38844704
i would've liked her to be an indie hero if anything.

>>38846081
>But they still pull bigger numbers than most of niji and holo
math isn't your strong suit I see

>>38846996
That's how she presented herself before VShojo. The Jesus Christ of Vtubing.

>>3884664why do the ksonschizo like to make up so much crap just to complain about her?
I mean, if she is as bad as they say. wouldn't it be enough just to tell the truth?

>gets to groom Pikamee whenever she wants without permission and call it content
Strangely, I think Kson is somehow okay.

>>38846966
She said she had bigger projects
She previously semiformed a group with the indies she collabed with
People put 1 and 1 together and thought she would an official vtuber group of indies
She was pretty misleading considering the "bigger" projects never came until after she joined vshojo which was nearly a year after that

>>38846987
Which group matters then?

>>38847132
More like, her bigger project was JOINING VSHOJO all along.

>>38847038
The big three pull better numbers than NijiEN and HoloEN. But that's because they know how to play the Twitch game and get collabs with other big streamers. Kson being blacklisted by Nijisanji probably hurts her.

>>38847132
>yeah i'm working on some stuff
>look i made some friends
>ok after some time i have finished the stuff
WTF SHE LIED TO ME SHE PROMISED SHE WAS GOING TO MAKE A VTUBER COMPANY

>>38846903
>Pisscord
>Representative of anything

>>38847181
Joining VShojo probably started around the time Rushia got fired, which is why her and kson are the two members so far.

>It was sad to see her go but I hope she's doing well.
*joins Vshojo*
>FUCK THIS BITCH I HOPE SHE FUCKING DIES I'VE ALWAYS HATED HER REEEEEEEE
Still remember the day it happened, was some good shit.

>>38847132
>thought she would an official vtuber group of indies
Maybe that was the Nux indie group that got canceled after he shot himself in the foot.

>>38847223
>>yeah i'm working on some stuff
More like
>This was a very big project for me but I assure you I have this massive project planned that you won't expect
And it was just a fucking 3D model lmao

>>38847276
The biggest insult? She signed her contract in March, during HoloFes, when YAGOO Himself allowed and begged her to come back.

>>38847171
The Twitch meta and YouTube algorithms. Even Reddit matters more than discord and 4channel.

>>38847293
I want to know if she would have gotten as much flak if she didn't debut with Rushia.

>>38847329
You know why she thought it was a big deal

>>38844327
How did she go from
>VShojo isn't a company
>Legal support and stuff
>talent freedum
To
>I'm not affected by VShojo
>it has nothing to do with me

Why does /vt/ want her to fail so badly?

>>38847418
she left hololive and then started lying through her teeth

>>38847366
she probably would have got more as the people dramafagging over Rushia would have been shitting on her instead

>>38847293
I remember that some schizo made daily threads about her being the Jesus of VTubing.

>>38847365
Anon we're talking about communities
And reddit has 100 times less discussion than the slowest discord from the least watched holo or niji member, even Indog facebook groups have more discussions

>>38847418
Because Vshojo is satanism or something like that

>>38847443
>proof next thread

>>38847418
Because Cover invented vtubing like Halo invented FPS.

>>38847329
or you know the choueki tarou cafe collab
her 3d debut stream
her home 3d studio
the mogra party and collab
the fatburger collab
the gigo crane game collab
her anniverary 3d live
her taiwan fanmeeting

in the /#/fag's brain those are nothing compared to the 1 hour of super3d

>>38846956
its hilarious to watch, every time the available facts they just mentally-wrangle ANY possible excuse for it and that becomes the new schizo meta

>>38847347
>She signed her contract in March, during HoloFes, when YAGOO Himself allowed and begged her to come back.
Proof?

>>38847418
She joined the ARCH ENEMY

>>38847482
i'm not going through the archive to dig up screenshots from when it happened. if you weren't here then fuck off

>>38847518
Yeah, I thought so.

>>38845844
I hate Nux and dislike Vshojo, but Vshojo is based for neutering that ghost faggot. Any unironic nux watchers breath with their mouth open, probably FAS/Flipper babies.

>>38847460
Reddit does not like discussion, only praise allowed, the holo fandiscords are pretty facist too, post mikeneko and watch the ban fly in lol

>>38847460
Discord is not a community rumao.

>>38847418
Because vshojo sucks.

>>38847489
>her 3d debut stream
That was the big project she was talking about anon, not the super 3D.

>>38847504
wow now I've done it
I've gone and totally a word

>>38847132
>putting expectations on her that you literally pulled out of your own ass
>getting mad at her and acting like a schizophrenic when she doesn't live up to them
is this ( true ) mental retardation?

>>38845408
>All other companies write you off cause of the taiwan sht
she has tons of collab friends so it matter less
>Cant get anyone to produce merch for you cause of the taiwan shit
she showed merch at one point long before vshitjo era so she knows how to get one
the real issue is her and all talents in her company are going to be autobanned from many big events but those indies would be happy just from hitting almost 4 digit ccv

>>38847418
not a lot of people like VShojo

>>38844868
>You dont join VOMS.
Gyari literally held auditions for Miuneru and Ryugon.
He just hasn't popped more chuubas after those two.

>>38847560
Define community or give an example then, chat is not a community and reddit is the slowest community straight up

>>38847584
so what about the other things
i guess those just effortlessly fell into her lap

>>38847418
I wouldn't say they want her to fail so much as they find her decisions and occasional menhera outbursts funny. They mostly just like baiting her fans into calling them zhangs and holobronies. Unlike their oshi they are pretty thinkinned

>>38847606
VShojoes don't know how far spread and deep the hatred goes
When your big stars are a grifter lying about how she's a bubble girl and the eternally hated Nyanners, it's gonna be really hard to be liked.

>>38847418
Vshojo in general I want to fail. Vtubers allowed girls to be something more, beforehand it was either 0 visibility or complete ethottery. Vshojo drags it back down and sets a bad standard if it's popular, it should be shat on as the old way of doing shit.

>>38847666
Subreddits can be more akin to communities, they have patterns of behaviors, social rituals and people know each other due to their handles. Discords are at best cliques run by groomers and trannies, and 4chan is a bucket full of crabs.

>>38847678
What's your point? She hyped up her 3D mode on that stream, which admittedly was better than the competition, but it was not an event on the level she was talking about. What do the other events have to do with anything when she hyped up that specific project as the second coming of indie christ

>>38847786
>>38846908

>>38847811
pretty sure she was more hyping up the series of events, not one specific one

>>38847706
Mousey is widely beloved by indies and corpo chuubas. Her story checks out perfectly, even taking opera singing lessons and having to isolate due to COVID.

>>38847795
>Subreddits can be more akin to communities, they have patterns of behaviors, social rituals and people know each other due to their handles.
Then discords are a community, period. This place is also a community considering anons in this thread have divine providence that lets them know which poster is who from other threads
Not being a community you like doesn't mean that they stop being communities

>>38847894
Good thing they have their fans in check and can stop shitflinging and harassment... wait.

>>38844327
Man, Vshojo it's genuinely retarded (my gay blogpost)
-Have the three biggest corpo vtubers behind Holo and they do shit with them.
-More over I would argue these three really need tardwranglers (Vshojo management is non existent outside of conversations and big yabs) Vei is really lazy and she needs some order in her career, Nyan, I understand you got a boyfriend now, but making so much of your content with him is kinda shit? I understand some people like Aethel but it shouldn't be the bulk of your streams. Mouse is sick, I understand, however why the fuck are most of her streams so close to her medication hours? She's unwatchable while medicated and most of the time she just drops whatever game just to watch shitty YouTube videos or straight up stop the stream, she really needs someone to control this shit.
-Ironmouse the music inclined person doesn't have an original song despite being her third year in Vshojo (Neither does Nyanners of all people)
-They still have Hime Hajime there, someone that streams less than two times per year
-Merryweather does all things related to lore (all the things he does are shit)
-VsjJP has two people, one of them can't communicate with the other 90% of the company (this would have been better if they debuted 5 JP girls, so Nazuna wouldn't have to sit alone in her cuck corner)
-Nazuna is in Twitch only, the platform with cero relevance in Japan. I'm genuinely baffled by this one.
-three years in and still no new wave instead we got an orbiter (granted she and Sniffler deserve to be in but both of them should have joined long ago)
-theyre not even doing debuts, just someone being added to the brand, there's no hype or chance for the girls to get a starting boost
-no group support, friendly reminder that said big three rarely raid the smaller ones, if you join them you're on your own, nigger.
-no big group collabs outside of the debuts (once a year or so)
-Mouse diluting her visual brand with 50 outfits per year (some of them she doesn't use and one of them she edited it to look different and uglier)

Tldr, whores. If you're a femanon considering the group, don't, join some other small corpo or go full indie. You genuinely won't win anything in vsj

>>38847189
Who cares about EN numbers. Compare vshoujo numbers to JP

>>38844704
>found her own company
That would be so amazing, but she went the lazy way and actually found a fitting company for her new american style life

>>38847507
This ogeyRys looks cute

>>38848008
TL;DR everything they do is inspired by Hololive

>>38847935
4chan almost counts as a community but the anonymity, alongside the disorganized posting and constant negativity makes it more like Twitter and Tumblr, which is just a series of random people yelling online.

Discord is not a community at all, and most discords collapse quickly due to infighting between the top groomers. Discords that last for longer are very well organized and are more like fanclubs with constant user rotation.

>>38847706
Why is Nyanners hated?

>>38848008
yet the big three in there are sitting with like 9k avg ccv on all there streams. With the lesser streamers like silver and kson pulling 3-4k avg Every one of their talents is making great money. Don't think they care that the like 2k different posters on 4chan dislike them.

>>38848008
Nyanners had an original song threadwatcher.

>>38848195
Uh um whores whores whores sluts whores Vshojo whores

>>38845453
Her attitude makes sense because shes been hanging out with mori

>>38848195
To 4han, she is THE Arch-Traitor.
To everyone else, she's a hypocrite who spouted politics about how loli is bad yet used loli to become popular, she hates her fans, and her antics with her boyfriend just pisses everyone off.

>>38847894
No, everyone is just afraid of her. Nothing checks out.

>>38848195
Massive SJW who backstabbed her fans in the past

>>38848019
>compare two completely different audiences with different languages

>>38848320
nyanners is super newfag shit anyways
cracky is the only for REAL niggas

>>38847099
Reminder that the spam calling souchou fat made Pikamee cry
/vt/ should be shut down by the US government for this alone

>>38848008
I respect Melody given that at least she's honest about being a slut. Sometimes a girl reaches sluttiness levels that they become likeable.

>>38848273
It seems people have assumed Mori is joining VShojo as soon as her Universal contract expires. Maybe she will also bring Ame in.

>>38848430
Worse shit has been spun around 4chin for it to be shut down by some shitty gossip about an anime avatar being fat IRL you shit eating tourist.

>>38844886
>And because VShojo members such as Silvervale constantly shat on Hololive.
Can you at least try to make good bait?

>>38848431
>actually sluttiness is good
Holofags everybody

>>38847189
>The big three
Saying "the big three" in any context to vtubers and not talking about the originals, but a bunch of twitch trend leeches, have some fucking shame.
If this how their community actually titles them, that is some real new low.

>>38845781
Not only a schizo but also a newfag holy shit

>>38847418
She made my oshi, her friends and other holo girls cry for nothing, simple as. There was a month of kino collabs, then graduation stream where everyone was literally choking on tears, hell, I almost shed a tear just now remembering Towa's quiet sobbing and sniffing and Kanatan saying that Coco is like family to her struggling with tears. All those letters and stuff. And that Weather Hackers idol version? And her final gracious walk away and fade into dark? fucking beautiful. Tons of crazy fan projects were made including the fucking record breaking /vt/ sings Judgement for Coco. My oshi kept remembering the return in 500 years stuff for weeks, she was like "minna, please remember we have to somehow live for 500 years to witness the miracle". Coco was the one who inspired her to do regular morning streams in her first year in Holo.
What was all that for? She joined a whore company with bad rep and lazy content and took the retarded menhera grifter with her. That's not about the blue triangle, just... how exactly are things considerably better for her now? She still does the same stuff except that she gets a shiny new model with the same theme as before and she gets to do facecam streams which she could do before anyway. She collabs with holo roommates. What is this freedom, exactly, that she lacked so much in Holo? Why make everyone suffer for literally fucking nothing?

>>38848683
Only antis say "big three"

>>38848663
I'm a broken Kizunafag, actually. I'm literally DERANGED.

>>38847786
I do not agree with your perception in the slightest. It feels fueled by clip-watching and nothing else.

>>38848204
9k on twitch

>>38844327
>knob gang
>you are not immune to jewpaganda
>based blacked checked and saged!
>AAAAAAHHHHHHH OH GOD I'M FOOMING
>(((YOU))) WERE WARNED
>cope
>the soiim know shut it down
>Allah who?
>Allah who akbar!
>hahaha gottem
>cuck
>esl
>DYRBI YWNBAWOJ

>>38848807
She took the bet that she could make as much money but without the cover cut while being indie and she won

>>38848204
If all 3 of them died tomorrow they would have no impact. They have a huge platform and do absolutely nothing to try and stand out, they're a waste of space, replacement radio with no legacy in sight.
I sometimes wonder if Ironmouse would get the totalbiscuit treatment and the depressing thing is she probably will, but TB actually worked to do some shit, Ironmouse's crowning achievement is dying.

>>38848008
>-VsjJP has two people, one of them can't communicate with the other 90% of the company (this would have been better if they debuted 5 JP girls, so Nazuna wouldn't have to sit alone in her cuck corner)
I thought that Delutaya could've been a potential girl they could've hung out with. Then neko went completely psycho for no reason so that's basically a bridge that was burned before it was even constructed.

>>38848369
If we were to be fair, they're streaming in different sites altogether, they are not competing directly anyway you twist it. So comparisons are bound to be useless.

>>38848962
The average Twitch zoomer these days doesn't even remember who TB was, he's just "the lul guy", if Ironmouse died she'd be forgotten in a year because there's 0 reason to bring someone like her up after she's gone

>>38848926
So she's a gold digger who made it seem like she didn't even care all that much about people she used to call friends, either out of malice or sheer retardation. Are you really sure you're defending her?

>>38848807
>She joined a whore company with bad rep and lazy content and took the retarded menhera grifter with her.
>>38846908

>>38848369
Hey guys it's me, Cool Adam. VShojo deadass slaps.

>>38848807
I understand that feeling completely as another 4kisei fan witnessing that month.

At the end of the day Ksonfags feel the same way too. The only way to cope with her desicsion is to decide Cover covertly forced her out, which sinks them deep into the holo-anti stance while trying to maintain a weird limbo of liking holos while decrying them as cogs in an evil machine.

Which doesn't make sense to me because the Coco I knew would not have ended things so amicably if she felt that betrayed. And they strip the agency of every holo away, coping that they can't escape this evil company. I understand how all yonkisei brothers feel. It's a tragedy. Ultimately I think we should just forget about Coco.

>>38848807
This was the biggest insult. Coco's graduation was a month-long State Funeral. Fanart memorials, festivals, people making elaborate eulogies about how she was the greatest thing to ever exist, everyone crying their eyes out. June was forever marked as the anniversary of Coco's sacrifice. On June 2021 of course Tatsunokos had to celebrate it again in memory of her departure... only that at the very end of that graduation, she surprise-joined the Worst Company Artound.

>>38848884
You can stand there being wrong in a thread full of people who point out the exact same shit about vshojo.

>>38849047
NTA but she is still good friends with all of them. Your Oshi wouldn't want you to shit talk her. I'm disappointed she joined vshojo but you can't deny she is still massively financially successful still. Your o

>>38849077
?

VShojo is better than Hololive

>>38848807
she is free from being suspended in order to appease chinese nazis
she is free from having said chinese nazis appointed as her chat moderators
she is free from games perms
she is free from managers saying no to any stream out of the ordinary
she is free to collab with anyone she wants as long as they are allowed from their side
she is free to seek out sponsorships and promotions on her own
she is free to acknowledge her giant taiwanese fanbase

>>38849245
>you can't deny she is still massively financially successful
What does this prove, people are retarded with money? The financial angle is the last bastion for the desperate who can't defend the quality of someone's work.

>>38844327
This sound like a perfect corpo for Mori

>>38849077
>one funny video with a comically large dragon girl doing comically sexy dance moves which is funny in contrast to an awkward pirate girl next to her. It's just a gag thing, a dragon girl is American and therefore loud and a bit vulgar, a lot of jokes are made around her trying to make people say lewd stuff or do sexy dance moves. Everyone still likes her and she still does stuff like singing reps and actual idol lives wearing an idol outfit
>a company with talents that have a huge list of reasons to dislike them - talking shit out of their asses about stuff they don't actually have a clue about, fucking up because of incompetency then throwing someone under the bus to save face without apologizing, being hypocritic cunts, saying shit and starting drama out of thin air, bringing personal and political shit into vtubing, doing lazy content like reactions and shitty subathons, making every stream about their boyfriends if they get one because they simply don't know how to make their content more interesting, just being disgusting in general constantly appealing to coomers and spewing toilet humor

>>38849460
nice asses, whores
i love jerking off to whores with big butts

>>38848807
>She made my oshi, her friends and other holo girls cry
They deserved it. Not a single one of them stood up for her and Haachama when Cover fucked them over. They had a golden goose and they treated her like shit.

>>38849671
>Not a single one of them stood up for her and Haachama when Cover fucked them over.
Fubuki?

>>38849139
Is Coco a Lelouch of vtubing?

>>38848807
>Why make everyone suffer for literally fucking nothing?
Why was Coco made to suffer for literally fucking nothing?

>>38848807
I sympathize with you so much you have no idea.

>>38849600

>>38848369
>>38849103
shut up gay adam

>>38847347
She signed her contract because Rushia just was terminated by Yagoo

>>38849704
These people just hate hololive.
They won't care about Fubuki still dealing with chinks and still defending her.
When she could have just done a normal stream instead of fighting the chinks without a real grassroots support system. Her fans failed her, they were pathetic against the chink bot spams. Not once did I see an article about it outside of Japan or Taiwan. So they blame Cover, who did everything to save her.

>>38845874
Man that hit fucking hard lmao

>>38849671
https://files.catbox.moe/ubwirh.webm

>>38849947
I'd argue more than Fubuki because every single Holo who collabed with Coco received the chink spam in their chats too, but they still perservered with it anyway because they wanted to support her.

>>38849947
this is the most blatant historical revisionism i have ever seen
her fans got youtube to stop the bots on both her channels while cover didn't even allow coco to appoint her viewers as moderators
cover didn't even bother getting youtube to apply the same thing to fubuki's channel and instead just waited until the spammers got bored

>>38849671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW7r_PsLIJQ

People didn't necessarily hate the fact that she joined vshojo, people hated the fact that she tried to brand vshojo as a company that allows her to "stay indie" while that is an oxymoron. Vshojo isn't even a vtuber org comparable to Holo/Niji, it is a marketing company that advertises itself as a vtuber organization.

>>38848807
She just met Kanata and Choco in Choco house and shopping together retard.

Kanata talks about shopping with Yuujin C with Lamy recently. I just don't understand why are you talking about?

>>38850119
The bots never stopped, who is being revisionist?

>>38850287
yes they did lol
bots literally could not touch coco's channel since like january or febuary of 2021 and she got her fans to spam youtube support on twitter to get the same thing applied to kson channel

I would like to remind Holokeks that Coco spent months trying to get Cover to help her with spam bots and they did nothing, aside from modding actual spammers to her channel. It wasn't until April (after she already put in her resignation) that Cover allowed her to mod some of her fans. She was suffering 6 months by that point.

VShojo set her and Nazuna up with mods on Twitch mods on day 1.

>>38847365
holy fuck you are retarded

>>38849481
Vshojo didn't bring her this freedom, also commie can't be nazis plebbitchama
Vshojo didn't bring her this freedom, also commie can't be nazis plebbitchama
Vshojo didn't bring her this freedom, she don't use it in a interesting way anyway
Vshojo didn't bring her this freedom, she don't use it in a interesting way anyway
Vshojo didn't bring her this (limited and dependent) freedom, she don't use it in a interesting way anyway
Vshojo didn't bring her this freedom, she don't use it in a interesting way anyway
Vshojo didn't bring her this freedom, The meet up was one of the rare good things

also pityfagging like that won't work here, stop doing it every thread.

>>38845829
>he says while both pekora and miko are on their way to becoming the most viewed female streamers on the planet
imagine being a fucking retard. Kys lmao

>>38849481
She can do all of this as an Indie. Nice Try.

>>38850540
learn english please

>>38849245
>NTA but she is still good friends with all of them
Not mine.

>>38849947
Tatsunokos are the only who told to Youtube to create sub chat and anti - vpn spambot system. Hololive just tell Fubuki to not use it.

>>38848807
>>38849139

How many collaborations outside of meme review did Coco have with 4kisei or any other JP member after his suspension and before his graduation announcement?
If you know the answer you will know why she wanted to leave.
not to mention the total ban on any interaction with the EN branch.

>>38850614
holobrony tears

>>38850540
Wow. Amazing. I'm putting your post in my "Top 5 Dumbest Posts I've Ever Read" list

anyone have that pic where she says "cons of joining Vshojo: NONE!" or similar?

>>38850662
read the post i replied to you fucking moron
>What is this freedom, exactly, that she lacked so much in Holo?

>>38850779
here

>>38850714
In english you start a phrase with a capital letter and use ponctuation, retard.

>>38850400
This is true. Tatsunoks made it by forced Youtube to fix their shit.

>>38850400
Plus, Coco must unban them and ban real spammer by herself. No Hololive help her

>>38850839
Learn English, holy fucking shit

>>38846314
>Hypocrite loses viewers for trusting her words that she would be creative doing her own thing going indie but she's just doing the same copy paste girl streamer stuff like everyone else.
Feels like her audience feels betrayed and they are leaving which is their right to do.

>>38850819
>In english you start a phrase with a capital letter and use ponctuation, retard.
In *English* you start a *sentence* with a capital letter and use *punctuation*, retard.

>>38848683
The "big three" meme comes from anime zoomoid.

>>38850662
tell me the downside of joining vshojo if you are an indi.
but tell me without resorting to tribalism or referring to other members.

>>38844998
Nobody gives a shit about vshojo except the diehard tribal psychos and they're the ones who flocked to her once they saw Chinese antis attack her.

>>38850902
you're making it sound really dramatic when she lost 3000 dead holobox pity subs

>>38850881
better than >>38850714 but you forgot the final dot

>>38850540
Excessively dumb post. Learn English.

>>38851025
Learn how to write in English, you dumb fuck.

>>38850779
>>38851001

>>38850779
Should have listed
>Cons: Being known forever as a traitor

>>38850738
Learn the difference between "him" and "her" Chang.

I would like to remind Holokeks that Cover once debuted an underage girl and then fired her after her rapist made a tweet about how he groomed and raped her. They said getting raped was a "violation of her contract". They were a black company since inception.

>>38848807
>She made my oshi, her friends and other holo girls cry for nothing, simple as. There was a month of kino collabs, then graduation stream where everyone was literally choking on tears, hell, I almost shed a tear just now remembering Towa's quiet sobbing and sniffing and Kanatan saying that Coco is like family to her struggling with tears
This is actual mental illness. Touching grass and taking meds doesn't cut it at this point, you need real life friends.

>>38851150
i'm sure she's very concerned with her reputation in the numbermonkey thread

>>38844327
based keep shitting on these low life vshitjokekeks holoGODS

>>38851174
Vshojo should hire Chris to teach blue dorrito a lesson!!

>>38848962
TB was a faggot but he created memes that will live on forever.

>>38848643
On the one hand, it should be pretty obvious that whenever English speakers talk shit about Hololive, they almost always mean the EN branch only. It should be pretty obvious Silvervale isn’t talking shit about their oshi, even if this rrat were true.
On the other hand, JOPs have every bit as much capability to be retarded tribalfags as EOPs, so who knows.
That said, I’m guessing that Silvervale never even said anything of the sort, given this board’s penchant for exaggerating shit and your reaction….

>>38851043
>>38851056
Not the point, unless you want to turn every thread into >>38850952. Small grammar mistake mean shit if you understand the jist of the post.

>>38844327
Someone post the TL of the time she said she'd never join another company.

>>38851191
NTA but the point he made was that the mega state funeral she planned and hosted to go out as a legend was all wasted for joining the worst company around.

>>38851408

>>38851466
This is a sex joke that Taishi mistranslated by the way lol

>>38851466
>i don't think
wow that's pretty much a blood pact
can't believe she broke this promise

>>38849600
>nuxfag

>>38851351
Well either Silver said it or the guy who wrote the article made it up, but it pretty clearly was lies about what types of things Holos (and Nijis for that matter) are allowed to do within their company to make Vshojo seem like a better prospect and "more free" than them.

>>38850881
Sorry, I'm Japanese and English is hard.
I apologize if my English offend you

>>38851559
YWNBJ

>>38850196
The collabs arch before her graduation were the most forced out of place thing i've ever seen in hololive.

God, even after years, my Cute Bitch is still rent free on the head of bugs.
fourth thread of the day talking shit about kson, while the Shin'eitai are chill in our own thread.

>>38850738
Literally every time she did a collab that wasn't contained to her channel, the other holos would get attacked because of it, and it was obvious that she hated it. Just look at the collab she had with Flare. Flare shrugged it off and wasn't really bothered about the spam, while Coco sounded close to tears, constantly apologizing because Flare was getting spammed because of her. While the EN thing was definitely management, her lack of collabs with JP was almost certainly self-imposed, and she only eased up and started to collab with them again after she literally broke down in tears on stream.

>>38851675
Is that your final cope?

>>38848369
yeah adam definitely would be a vshojofag

>>38851553
>>38848643
That was more because of the dumb journalist who is a vshojo shill, and his idea of fixing it was to include nijisanji in the article as another idol company........despite them not being an idol company. Either way, vshitshow stayed silent despite it being obvious this was causing serious backlash.

The shill:
https://twitter.com/dvckyVT

>>38851703
Chinks even spam Tokino Sora after Reddit Meme Review with Coco.

Do not forget this fact that true enemy always are Chinks and not Coco herself.

>>38848610
Unironically if you make Pika cry you should be publicly executed

>>38851838
Chinks ...and her white knights! (guess who's bumping this kind of thread >>38851684)

>>38845383
>in the west
Not when the seaniggers are constantly raiding and shitting this board

>>38851414
>NTA but the point he made was that the mega state funeral she planned and hosted to go out as a legend was all wasted for joining the worst company around
It's pure emotional manipulation. It's like watching a Hollywood movie and thinking the director actually cares about you. You would get even more emotions from a video from The Dodo, and that's something that would actually take years and actual care.

>>38845408
>Cant get anyone to produce merch for you cause of the taiwan shit
This is bullshit. She could literally just hired some service that could handle that shit like not-lulu or many others JPindies.

>muh oshi cried
Because she had the sudden realization that half of her paycheck goes to the soulless husks who forced the kindest woman in the company to quit.

>>38844327
>those folds on her neck
yikes
she's really getting fatty and haggy
right on schedule to becoming asian grandma

>>38852149
Reminder that dragging Coco's graduation out to milk it for as much money as possible was Cover's idea. The EOP community made it clear that they would flip the fuck out if Coco was fired, so they forced her to have a month long party so they could look like the good guys. They even got Yagoo to get on camera.

Coco stated that she made her resignation in March and expected to be out of the company a couple weeks after that.

>>38852021
Her white knights still support other Hololive talents like Aki, Kanata, Fubuki and Haachama and Chinks give nothing only hate.

>>38844327
I like that there's a ton of people saying
>lol so what she just lost 3k that's nothing
itt but she said her subs went down by 3k, not that she had 3k unsub. That means that AFTER vshojo fans subbed to her since she joined the company, she was still down by 3k. So she lost 3k net fans but probably lost WAY more than 3k gross fans. Joining Vshojo was an actual, identifiable net loss for her but she's still acting like it was a good thing.

>>38852386
Totally wrong faggot and you can't fool anyone.

>>38844327
>she abandoned her actual room mate in favour of the NDA breaking needy streamer
Thought that was debunked

>>38852490
>I am an EOP and didn't watch Coco's member streams
I accept your concession.

>>38852466
If she's right by saying those 3k were looking for a reason to drop her, then yes, it was a good thing.

>>38852466
There are no more numberfags in her chat asking her to say "tonjok", so yes it is a good thing.

>>38848204
>9k avg ccv
>raids!
Do vshotards really?

>>38847418
I don't

>>38852466
wow so she lost 9,999 of her net fans so it doesn't show up in her stats.
sasuga /#/chama

>>38852676
Why would someone subscribe literally just to look for a reason to unsub? They would just not sub in the first place. That combined with the "Joined Vshojo" and then immediately after "I have nothing to do with them" were honestly the biggest copes I've heard out of her. She sounds like someone who doesn't know what to do, like she's just treading water but keeps streaming and doing random things because she feels she has to do *something* but has no good ideas for what.

didn't she join vshojo months ago? why are people upset now

>>38851987
The only faggot that deserves to be hanged is the fucking pigeon for killing magnet and not delivering a better outfit for your oshi and Tomoshika, retardchama.

>>38852562
You said with half- truth and half- lie.
She want to quit a round March but she want to live as long as possible.

(expected to be out of the company a couple weeks after that.) This SHIT never happen and only Hololive management want to get rid of her as fast as possible.

>>38852550
It is, people just like to pretend that viciously hating and assuming the worst of Mikeneko and everybody who is on her side is rational behavior(it's not)

>>38852993
Holofans are jealous that they can't send their oshi presents anymore.

>>38849460
It's okay because they are japanese

Why can nobody in this thread write coherent english?

>>38844327
This is not a vtuber.

>>38852993
>Arrange a Christmas Collab with 3 holoRMs.
>Not expecting any form of retaliation from at least one of the three fanbases.

>>38853161
That happened a week ago though

>>38853161
..sorry but why is that a bad thing? reconnecting with old friends would be fun

>>38853126
it's numberSEAs and their LATAM apprentices vs the very spirited taiwanese white knight (god bless his soul)

>>38853236
They spent months posting in the numbermonkey thread about how everyone hates her so they are mad that they were wrong.

>>38844327
Oh, so she don't care uh?

Good for her I guess, there are other vTubers out there for us who dropped her that will cover her just fine just the same as there will be fans who continue to be her loyal fans no matter what shithole she goes to. No drama involved, I like it.

>>38853236
her taint might infect them

>>38844704
Yeah I was expecting her to start up her own company or just team up with a bunch of other indies.
Vshojo? Deffo not the smartest move.

>>38853126
I be ESL, hand?

>>38853126
kek.
only ESL-chamas in this thread (including me)

>nijisanji specific named as blocking her
>holos roomates can collab with her
>insane fanbase still hates faceless management

>>38853395
>team up with a bunch of other indies
gee it's almost like that's what vshojo is

>defending for the company full with hypocrites and attention seeking western whores
do fatsonkeks have any shame left?

>>38850250
So it's not an oxymoron and people are just morons

>>38845408
Hey Chang. Using a VPN is illegal.
-10,000 social credit score.

>>38853400
Foot?

>I-IT'S THE /#/CHADS F-FAULT REEEEEEEEE
MOST
INFLUENTIAL
THREAD
>also
Kys discordnigger! You 3rdworlder monkeys have been shitting on our thread for months

>>38853395
>I was expacting a streamer to quit streaming to be a businessman
Why were you expecting that lol

>>38853392
..they're just streamers anon

Never watched Coco and never gonna watch kson.

>>38853491
Yeah but vshojo has baggage.
I meant team up with a bunch who don't have that baggage.
Not like there's a shortage of people she could have grabbed or otherwise convinced to join in.

>>38853579
>nijizhangs click every thread with Kson's picture on it

>>38848008
>Nazuna is in Twitch only
That's the really weird one. Do they have some nepo contract with Twitch or something for preferential treatment that they won't even let her stream on the platform where she'll actually get viewers?

>>38853236
They hate Kson and want her suffering.

>>38853236
Won't argue about it, but judging from some 5ch screencaps that were on the thread that got deleted some hours ago, it is.
And quite significantly on top of it.

>>38853624
>but I'll comment on every thread with kson´s image.

>>38852676
thats the part that sounds weird. Do people really sub to someone 'looking for a reason to drop her'. Sounds like major cope.

>>38853628
You forget GMMF ?

>>38847418
https://youtu.be/v_YozYt8l-g

>>38853853
yes because we hate vohoejos here and vhoejoskeks need to be put down to their place

>>38853759
Nazuna at one time implied there was some exclusivity contract. It might have to do with that her model is paid for by Vshojo or she didn't negotiate the details of her contract for whatever reason (a bigger cut maybe).

come home kson

>>38853628
the big jp indies like tamaki and ui don't seem to want to have anything to do with her publicly even though they know her, so it's not really a surprise she became closer with the EN twitch sphere where her existence is actually acknowledged and pretty much worshiped

>>38853991
I don't mind them personally.
Zen comes off as a bit unhinged and not in a good way.
Nyanners is just about what you'd expect from someone who habitually browses this place.
Melody is shockingly the most wholesome of the group despite being the literal camwhore.
Ironmouse is alright and I'm glad she's doing better these days.

The rest I have no strong feeling about.

>>38853822
They subbed to her when she quit Hololive and never watched her. Then they unsubbed when they saw the Vshojo video appear on their homepage. Same thing happened with the gay pizza stream.

>>38853157
how long before those red SC go towards several plastic surgeries

>>38854114
meant for >>38853858

>>38854106
How come? You'd think nips would love someone who the chinks hate

>>38853157
why does she look like a chink?

>>38853161
its not even giung to be streamed Its just her plan for Christmas eve. She could have shut up and enjoyed it but she had to talk about it and now she is going to have a menhera member post between now and then

>>38854106
Tamaki and Ui pander to china

>>38853392
Warhammer 40k is a fictional setting
Chaos gods do not actually exist
The Warp does not actually exist
Heresy isn't real

>>38853376
you are too cool anon

>>38854254
Why the fuck would they do that?
Seems like a terrible idea overall.

>>38854270
Sounds like something a heretic would say.

>>38854251

Mentioning that you're hanging out with your friends is completely normal anon, the only reason you retards get upset about it is because it spoils your schizo rrats.

>>38853822
>5ch schizos talked about it so it's significant
Not really.

>>38854270
the emperor is real

>>38853161
Exactly why they should be mad again?

>>38854392
>sharing private social fans with thousands of schizos on the internet is totally normal anon, who cares if your friends ge dragged into the shitfest that is the result of my own bad decisions

Reminder that Vshojo is not a company

>>38854270
The Emperor is YAGOO
Kson is FUCKING HORUS
Vshojo is Chaos
Twitch is the Warp
HERESY is Real

>>38854234
ar rook same

>>38854056
Why would they even enforce that if it's harming their business prospects? It doesn't benefit them, unless it's between more than two parties.

>>38853822
Oh no! 5ch, the place filled with schizos that are even more delusional than the schizos here, is mad!

I had fun reading this thread, but you should really take your meds

>>38844327
Gura's tribute to Coco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDhQ25f9xMk

>>38854888
what? her face really looks chinese

>>38854624

Anon, take your fucking meds holy shit. It's not "sharing personal information" to talk about hanging out with other public figures offline. Also what "shitfest" are her friends being dragged into exactly? You know they also talk/post about hanging out with Kson/Coco too, right? You would definitely already know this because you're genuinely concerned about her friends who you value so greatly and not just an unbelievable, staggeringly ignorant moron of the highest caliber, right? What is this privacy standard you just wrote here that I can guarantee you don't apply to anyone else on planet earth?

>>38853500
>>defending for the company full with hypocrites and attention seeking western whores
I wouldn't be do harsh on Cover.

>>38854716
not that pippa cured you of being a kson schizo?
she doesn't seem to do a very good job

>>38853822
>5ch
Why people bring up a website owned by an American Jewish glowie?

>>38855330
retard

>>38855113
The Reddit Shark is one management yab away from going back to her rm.

>>38855513
Cope and Sneed.

I see, that Christmas stream plans mindbroken a lot of anons
*grabs popcorn*

embarrassing display by kikesonkeks
they really sided with vshojoniggers

>>38856015
tribalists may choke on semen and die

>>38855908

It's genuinely hilarious. I saw the occasional bait posting pretending everyone in Hololive hated her now, I had no idea these schizoids actually believed it to the point they're having breakdowns now.

Wait until you guys hear what RMs she hangs out with that haven't been mentioned in a clip yet.

>>38844327
>antis talk shit about me
>some companies blacklist me
>niji bans me
>a site takes my word out of context
why did she always bring up something to complain? enjoy playing victim?

>>38857223
She enjoys playing the martyr.

>>38857223
>I only watch clips
Figured out your issue, anon

>>38857223
>I only watch clips about these subjects so they're the only things that happen

>>38853991
>put down to their place
Way above (you) then? Those bitches make high 6 figures for doing next to nothing. You sit /here/ crying.
>buh muh munny iznt evryting
Yeah. It actually is. Every single corpo tuber does it entirely for the money and every indie dreams of being in that position.