/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I won't let you die again.

What victories have you achieved lately, mates?

How do we end the babi sexpest menace?

>>38705304
By completely depriving them of attention.

>>38705304
By making them my wives.

Bros I fucking hate swinging from 20ccv and literally 0ccv!!! It's not even consistent like I'm switching off from my main thing to do something else. It just happens randomly.

>>38705745
Perhaps a time change would help? Maybe your streams overlap streams of chuubas they like better.

>>38705797
Maybe, I stream consistently the same times each week, but the day itself changes when the swing in viewership happens. If I move around based on when more popular people stream I'll literally never get anywhere since someone more popular than me is always streaming.

>>38705304
By fucking them, hard, and deep. With penis.

A thread by bros, for bros

You WILL male post

>tfw you randomly encounter another /mvp/er on your Twitter feed
So, this is what it feels like.

>>38709138
this is how the lobster trap ensnares new viewers

>>38705302
I went outside for a walk.

>>38705302
Graduated college

>>38705302
I'm getting 2 views now.

>>38705304
Babis are the best and I'm tired of the english "vtuber" tranny menace ruining the wholesome fun of a middle aged guy putting on a sexy girl avatar and half-pretending to be a girl.

>>38712257
Why not just watch a femboy then?

>>38712297
Cause then you don't get the huge tits combined with a booming voice

>>38712452
Is there a babi with a booming voice? I kinda assumed all the ones here just sounded like nerds.

>>38712297
Femboys aren't ojii-sans and are also ugly.
There's a difference between an old otaku man and a faggot faggot crossdressing uwu so cute toxic nigger putting on a "cute" girl skin.

Kemomimi oukoku banzai.

>>38712297
>>38715204
This. Anyone who has watched reda knows how bad it gets with femboys. Babis are way better, but you really just want girls instead.

>>38715559
With girls you have to compete with lots of other groomers. Babi grooming is much more efficient and rewarding

>>38715732
True. Babis also menhera so easy to groom

>>38715773
But babis menheras so too likely to blow-up, too unstable

>>38715892
But make-up sex

>>38705302
Beat another game on stream then realized the last 40 minutes of my game audio was muted so all people could hear was my voice and not the game[/spoiler[

>>38705302
I finished making my 3d model. There's really nothing stopping me from streaming but I don't know if I want to use the voice changer or not. It's not a common one people use and I tuned it to sound more convincing than anything else I've heard.

>>38716408
Can you show the model?

>>38716408
Can you post the vocaroo?

>>38716408
Can you post a pic with your bussy from behind? And can you also post a feet pic with the time and temperature on an index card? Can you also post a sepia-toned photo of your collarbones? And can I get a pic of your Adonis belt in the bathroom mirror?

>>38716408
Can you post something?

>my rigging screencap is the op
neat

>>38705302
Started the basic rig of pic in OP, was hoping to at least give it basic head turning but I ran out of time between the time I started and now.

KawaiiDesuDesu420 here

Keep up the good work lads!

>>38716408
>I tuned it to sound more convincing than anything else I've heard.
no you didnt. everyone thinks they've got the "holy grail" of voice changers and never go by anyone's opinion but their own delusional/coping one.

Hey boys

Hey Im a Male Indie vtuber, I go by the name Fridge Goddess. I use a female avatar but don't disguise my voice or anything. I'm an english speaking vtuber that mostly makes cringe vr chat, and minecraft content. I'm currently looking to try and expand my content with suggestions from my viewers. I'll be debuting a new model on the 16th, 6pm (CST)

Image is the current model I use
You can find me on any social media by searching Fridge Goddess but links will also be below!

Twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/thefridgegoddess

Twitter:
https://twitter.com/TheFridgeGoddes?s=09

Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/invites/contact/?i=1ed9q66l6d3le&utm_content=ls2f66i

Discord:
https://discord.gg/ekBmhdJJTj

>>38732628
The council of babinikus will watch this development with interest

Bnuy streams tonight allegedly

https://www.twitch.tv/vtemp1ar
Drunk Driving Rabbit

Why are there so many rabbit vtubers? I've seen at least three or four in /mvp/ alone

>>38738162
They want to breed like rabbits, but don't realize that only femchuuba rabbits are the ones into that with their oilers.

>>38738162
It's either bunny femboys or demon coomers.

>>38743307
What about bunny demons?

>>38716408
fatherless behaviour

>>38743389
They would be the pure embodiment of SEX

>>38743761

Why are these threads so gay

>>38746601
It's like prison or a sailing ship. You get enough males together with no females long enough some of them are going to start wearing wigs and dying their lips with koolaid

>>38746901
why do you have to make everything so gay anon

>>38745625
I hate the fact that 4chan has a vtuber and brownie board but doesn't have boards for other stuff. There is no art board but we got this instead. This site sucks

>>38747495
But there are already two art boards.

>>38747495
Anon? What?

>/asp/ died in my sleep again

https://www.twitch.tv/freeofme
Playing that one miku vocaloid rhythm game

>>38738162
We need more bunnies and less cats in general.

I can't believe Touma Tengu died on stream.

>>38752608
No, rabbit vtuber bad

platonic dude love

>>38752608
we need bear vtubers for manly men

>>38746601
>a thread filled with men
>why is this gay?
Gee, I wonder.

males

Live

You don't really want to die, you just have a moment

>>38760551

>>38760612
I don't understand philosophy or literature. For example, The Stranger by Camus just felt like stuff happening, I didn't grasp a deeper meaning.
Maybe that's a metaphor for life.

bump

>>38747495
There are art boards but you got a point, it's all cynical artist.

LIVE

Sunday might be the days when this thread will struggle the hardest.

KawaiiDesuDesu420 here

>>38734673
>The council of babinikus

Who does this consist of?
Councils can range in size from 5 to 51.
What is the number of people in the council?
The top 5 babis?

>>38769585
You mean you haven't been invited to the babicord? The babi discord?

KawaiiDesuDesu420 here

>>38769917
link?

>>38770570
The Council of Babinikus will approach you when they deem you ready.

>>38772333
cool

>>38768330
is there anyone currently live?

>>38773500
Welcome to the thread. Here is your one (1) free government issued little brother (shota-type).

https://www.twitch.tv/yourlilbrovt

I messed around with the voice changer some more in live calls and reading scripts. It can't keep up with my range. Well damn. I'm actually disappointed. This is only perfect for pre-recorded stuff.

And why is everyone here so gay.

>>38774866
>And why is everyone here so gay
Said the man trying to make his voice sound like a girl

>>38774866
Men voices in women bodies are so fucking hot, don't use a voice changer.

>>38773970
Is anyone grooming this one already?

>>38775333
Sounds like you're projecting. What people do online is not the same as real life.

>>38774866
just do some voice acting

>>38775651
>What people do online is not the same as real life.
>And why is everyone here so gay.

>>38776208
shit

>>38776528
Let me cum inside your boy pussy.

>>38703946
I fucking hate babis

What song is playing in the /mvp/ gym right now?

>>38777802
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k

>>38773500
I was live, ended literally just 1 hour after you asked. No one watches me so no one recommended me to you, like >>38773970
did. :( There was actually some lurker, but they didn't say anything.

>>38778211
You know that chuuba could've easily just selfposted. The streamer speaks like that too.

https://twitter.com/PixelLinkEN/status/1600229594556399616
New corpo seeks males. Take the chance anons

>>38775372
you the only person who thinks that reda

>>38775372
I don't think most viewers find that hot. I'm lukewarm on it I suppose, but I think it's better than the voice changer. Unless of course the voice changer is so good I can't perceive any sort of fuckery at all.

Have a free bump lads.
No, I am not turning into a babiniku, the tease is for something else.
I do have a scuffed l2d I use for a redeem hue.

>>38780070
It wasn't free; you posted your schedule and you're not even turning into a babi, fuck. I like your model

>>38780239
>spoiler
Thank you, have another bamp

>>38779171
>have to stream as new chuuba
every time, but i guess it makes sense. i'll never be able to join any corpo if they don't let me use mine.

>>38781287
This. I'm too attached to my model to give it up, even for corpo chuuba bucks.

>>38778344
Ill be honest just so people don't get the wrong idea. I'm spreadsheet anon and just refreshed the spreadsheet to find somebody streaming and he was one of the very few actually on at the time. I often do this in reply to "whos streaming" type posts. Also I like shotas.

When someone draws your character with tits. Again.

>>38775372
https://files.catbox.moe/dirwn3.mp4

>>38782916
Thank you for your honesty, you legend. Unfortunately by clearing this ambiguity, there is no longer anything protecting that other chuuba from the possible truth that nobody cares to link him. Also, nice.

>>38782916
>spoiler
Jesus, anon, how based can you get?

>>38783378
Fucking A. I'd hit it no homo.

We are outliving /asp/. Does this mean we win

>>38784124
A Pyrrhic victory.

>>38781717
Same. It's weird. Pretty much no one likes my model, it doesn't inspire any fanart, but I'm just way too attached to it to change. It's me as far as I am concerned.

>>38785429
Male chuubas just don't get a lot of fanart compared to even much smaller females. Like try looking for fanart of even some of the high 3 views or even 4 views on the spreadsheet. Its pretty slim pickings.

>>38785908
That would actually be an interesting stat to see. Sorry for seeding the idea spreadsheet anon.

>>38785908
Most of the art i have of my character is paid for myself, but i did get some by interaction too. I wouldn't call it fanart though. But i guess i'm a babi so that's at least half cheating.

And the smelliest babi award goes to...

>>38783143
embrace it lmao

>>38785908
I got two fan art but that was mostly from my closest friend.

>>38785956
There being little fan art is actually kind of a big weakness to this thread. Most threads can kind of just post pictures of chuubas to bump the thread, but with so little to go around it is kind of difficult.

I wonder how hard it would be to build a a little database of the art that exists for indie males. Like a booru or something. Or just a permanent folder online somewhere that would be easy to post images to.

>>38788966
There is also a lack of willingness. I'm relatively well known but I've not ever had an OP. Not on wvt or mvp.

messy tone all around just a warm up
https://voca.ro/1oanrwbKltxd

>>38788966
I think /mvp/ can use a little unity fanart, Something like this. But who should I draw since spreadsheet also filled with big names and non /mvp/ poster

>>38788966
how would one create a booru?

>>38789103
cool stuff brah

>>38789491
thanks my guy

>>38788966
feels bad to post your own art so that's not really an option i feel, hard to get the ball rolling when most of us don't really have vieweroshi's. or maybe they have to be called to action

>>38788966
I got a hold of https://youtube.booru.org a couple days ago and planning to have it be a general purpose vtuber booru for /vt/. Feel free to use that if you want.

>>38789881
you should probably post this in other threads like wvt

>>38783378
Anons, would you prefer to fuck a hot chick with a dude's voice, or a hot dude with a chick's voice?

>>38790197
Will do, just trying to sort somethings out before really spreading the word.

>>38790405
I might throw the fanart I've gotten in there whenever you say we can

https://www.twitch.tv/vtemp1ar
Babi Lost In Dead Space

>>38789881
Why youtube and not vtuber or wvt? Youtube.booru sounds like you're domain squatting for a payout.

>>38790401
I'm not gay so neither.

>>38790625
You're a babi? Didn't know that.

>>38790468
Go for it, it's mostly ready anyways. There's some rules in the forum but it's mostly self-explanatory.
>>38790944
Registration of new boorus has been closed since 2020, I had to find an existing booru whose owner could be contacted and lucked out with something that vaguely sounded related to vtubers. I tried talking to vtbooru.booru.org but they just blasted me with basedjaks and pepes.

>>38791856
>I tried talking to vtbooru.booru.org but they just blasted me with basedjaks and pepes.
Lol.

>>38791856
Damn they're closed? That sucks.

>>38789881
Would it be possible to add new tags for which thread an image is associated with? Could be kind of useful.

>>38793715
absolutely, just be sure not to use slashes since it fucks with search queries.

>>38793715
>>38793804
asp, mvp, wvt, lig and what else?

>>38794103
wvp is on trash but related

>>38791856
>I tried talking to vtbooru.booru.org but they just blasted me with basedjaks and pepes.
That's the funniest thing I've seen on this board all day

Love photoshop.

Is self posting here good or bad?

>>38797267
Look at the top of his head.

>>38798296
Mind blown

>>38798038
I don't think anyone would mind. It's up to you if you want to be associated with 4chan though

>>38790401
Chick with a dude's voice, easy.
Have you SEEN Towa?

>>38798456
>>38798296
F-feature not a bug.

Rowatari Airi continuing to build a metal lantern
https://youtu.be/DkoWVX5kE_I

Anybody else watch literal 1 views and never see their ccv go up by one? I open up a streamer with 1 ccv and I can watch them for an hour and it never goes past 1. Its really weird.

>>38801528
You got a certified sexbot all for yourself right there.

who let the males out

>>38801528
Always a good time to find out you're not real.

This guy just tanks his own streams
>"passive" aggressive
>throws hissy fits
>belittles his audience
>goes on angry rants that scare newcomers
>wonders why he's not growing
>hypocrite by belittling other vtubers about getting new models to get views, even though he himself has done that and even talks about getting a new model soon again

It sucks because he has a nice singing voice, and I really liked his dog model. Too bad he deleted his old VODs and vids with it. Its not fun to watch him and half the time it just makes me feel like shit tuning in. His meltdowns are such a bummer.

>>38808677
He's been paid well for his troubles

>>38808677
Cope, seethe, mald

>>38808677
He could at least pretend to be nicer in public. Really turned me off of him.

>>38808677
Female hands wrote this.

>>38783143
Why are you complaining?

>>38801528
I actually paid attention during my last two streams, and I noticed something weird. Twitch's mod view stated I have two watchers, but the viewer count remained at 1, and based on what I saw with a quick glance, I don't think there was an actual human behind those two channels either.

>>38813254
Yeah twitch view count is really weird

>>38808677
i thought that's his brand

Don't really focus on the count, I don't think it updates properly

>>38815472
Looking at the view count while you're streaming is how you go menhera, anyway. I could have 1, 5, or 15 viewers at any given time and I'd never know the difference

Man, God Hand is hard.

>>38769917
That sounds like hell on earth.

My 2 view babighanoushi is so cute!

>>38808677
link?

males sleeping

all /mvp/ chuubas

>>38820953
Sounds like cope to me.

>>38820953
totally me fr fr

>>38820953
speak for yourself i have the cutest bf

>>38788966
I have some fanart but I'm a babi so is it really relevant to post

>>38822382
Hallucinations don't count.

>>38822382

>>38822382
Tulpas don't count.

>>38822382
rapes you

So, what's good?

>>38830794
Sex, preferably with a cute chuuba.

>>38830794
what's cookin, good lookin?

>>38832206
I grew a mustache. Not to toot my horn or anything but it's pretty kino.

Live

>>38833682
Die and do better next time.

>>38835734
No

You’ve made your last Livestream kid. Sorry, you got twisted up in this scene. From where you’re kneeling it must seem like an 18-carat run of bad luck. Truth is…the game was rigged from the start.

>>38837145
Not like this.

Mako CUTE!

Are you winning son?

Is Touma Tengu a hag? He is still tired from the 24 hours stream.

>>38808677
It's a real shame. I love femboys and he has the perfect voice, plus the doggo model is pure SEX. Too bad his streams are never fun. Guess he'll have to keep fucking that Adrian guy.

>>38838694
I want to deepthroat him

Babis ruin everything

when the viewers leave you for female vtubers

>>38838694
I will vacuum out his cum

So yeah, males, am I right?

>>38847726
Nice joke, yes.

>>38847726
Based

LIVE

>males can't even find enough viewers to keep their own thread alive
Lol. Lmao even.
Vtubing is female!

males up

males down

Fridge Goddess here helping bump to keep us alive. Image is fanart of my babi avatar.

AAAAAAAAAAAA
My Marinara Monday is love.

Why is Junii ngmi?

>>38854146
>Vtubing is female!
Once I make it I'm coming for you anon

>>38863208
idk don't watch him

The End is a whole different beast in this mod! Streaming more Minecraft now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YppBJxRxXVA
https://www.twitch.tv/super_krunch

>>38808677
thanks for piquing my curiosity, you influenced me to see his latest vod. literally all that shit you accused him of is false. the only person he belittled was a chat troll and a large drama youtuber. the stream is great and super interesting. he is not perfect, but he treats people significantly better than before. the stuff he does now is the same stuff i did at his age, so i can't say anything. like getting mad and calling people "idiots" -- i did that well into my late 20's until i finally saw it was wrong. if i couldn't do better, i can't expect him to either. i am super proud of him, he is killing it. so i can't help but think that...
>>38811136
*mic drop*

seethe, femchuubas

boys do it better.
>:3


**not replying itt because i have to go to work and shouldn't be talking about him, for legal reasons. sorry guys

>>38822781
woaw.....very cute and funny anon

>>38865396
you want bussy this bad huh bro

>>38865396
250k and you still couldn’t win him over

have a schedule for a bump my fellow /mvp/s

Any male vtuber selling feet pics?

>>38868691
yea me

Got some time off cause I tested positive for covid. 24 hour covid stream. Y/N?

>>38868691
i post them for free on my twitter

>>38872159
so a suicide stream? who are you KAngel? get some rest.

>>38872304
Whore

>>38873324
only in DMs anon~

>>38864572
Kill yourself

>>38703946
What program is this :?

>>38874373
Kill Everyone

>>38874480
live2d

>>38864572
Play a JRPG and kill a god.

>>38874529
Thank you o7

>>38874858
Which as much FF8 music I play during my Minecraft streams I'll eventually get around to streaming it. Just don't know when and if it will be an endurance stream.

>>38865396
Oh you're that autistic rich creep that stalked Taiga irl's hometown and tried to buy him as a person

https://twitter.com/TaigaOverHeaven/status/1476431572148621314/photo/1

>>38703946
Wait, is this thread for fans to talk about male vtubers, or for male vtubers to find fans?

>>38876215
Yes.

>>38874858
based

>>38876215
No Males, Just babis and that one no effort guy in a hoodie vtuber that keeps getting told to kill himself.

>>38876215
A bit of both, it's for 2 view male vtubing in my opinion

>>38876215
I'm just shitposting in here

>>38876333
>that one no effort guy in a hoodie vtuber that keeps getting told to kill himself
At least everyone in this thread knows who he is.

>>38878128
cool gif

>>38878226
but nobody is watching. that's generally the problem on /vt/. males aren't really watched unless it's some of the guys who've established themselves

>>38879447
But how do you establish yourself if no one is watching?

I'll watch Tiresias if I'm free and he's playing a game I like/interested in

>>38879469
early days of /vt/, being associated with other chuubas, sheer persistence, I didn't follow it the question is if you want to put that amount on effort into getting like 10 viewers from here who still act like they hate you

>>38847726
Mhmmm, boys~

>>38847726
Mhmmm, males~

>>38880822
I wish I could say the same thing about girls.

So are we all men with homosexual tendencies here or are there cute girls lurking in here?

>>38881029
I think all the girl viewers are in /cbdct/

>>38881029
>homosexual tendencies
Excuse me? I'll have you know that I'm actually bisexual. Wait... That actually proves your point, doesn't it?

>>38881029
The strong will make the weak their girls

>if I stream Baldur's Gate, I could name my stream "By Tempus' Shield"
>if someone accuses me of leeching from Holostars, I can just point out the fact that this is one of the most recognizable in-game quotes
Interesting.

>>38881029
it wouldn't be lurking if we posted, would it? also femchuubas probably shouldn't count.

>femanons could be watching me

i finished a 3d model, its jank but turned out exactly the way i wanted, but have been lurking this thread and /asp/ for a month or two, and you guys/the things that have seemed to happen /here/ (schizos) kinda scare me. /asp/ is dead currently, any advice to get over that initial mental hurdle?

>>38883144
Just don't be a /here/ vtuber, don't get too involved with /here/ vtubers. It's that easy.

>>38883144
motivation can come and by. Touch some grass and go outside. You will be rejuvenated in no time

>>38883144
Post model?

Is BuffPup a babi?

If I'm setting up to debut where should I shill myself at? I get Twitter but I don't really know where else and it doesn't seem like shilling here or on /asp/ will get me anywhere.

>>38883144
nobody here will watch your stream so you have nothing to worry about

>>38887906
twitter

>>38887906
Communities. Throwing yourself out into the void isn't really effective, you need to establish yourself into communities where you might find potential viewers.

alright boys, post your twitch recaps

>>38892354
I'd rather not set myself up for my own disappointment.

>>38892354
IDK I feel like twitch is being generous.

>>38892354
Is youtube worse than twitch for men?

>>38894554
You are a god amongst men and I must eat your semen.

Is it better to save your full model/reference sheets reveal when you debut, or should you post your reference sheets/png early?

>>38894554

We outlived /asp/ again!

>>38892354
Most of the time I felt like I have been barely growing at all. But seeing it all together in one place I am pretty happy. Building it all up from nothing over the last 6 months was a lot of fun.

>>38892354
>tfw just quit the game that made most of this growth.
On the bright side, I just happened to be the top 3% of said game.

>>38892354

>>38899719
>>38900351
>>38901274
Who are you and what are you doing here?
Can I get sum of that clout pls

>>38901332
post yours

>>38892354

>>38900351
>top 3%
Hell yeah, fellow 3%'er

if people now only came to the streams...

>>38902243
So ASMR isn't free viewers?

>>38902267
not if you are male

>>38881029
I'm asexual

>>38903767
Nice meme. The only "asexuals" I know are zoomer girls who want to feel quirky.

>>38904261
I don't want to elaborate and get banned but I am seriously repulsed by the thought of sexual intercourse or making love. I never want to do those things.

If I had gotten started earlier on organizing I'd probably be higher.

>>38892354
I'm happy with this. I wasn't expecting to be anywhere.

>>38906557
Apparently I was top 5% on Elden Ring... I guess it just means stream time?

>>38905000
Nice meme. I can only think in generalizations.

>>38905000
if there are female ones there had to be a male one eventually

>>38902433
The best you can hope for is getting a few followers here and there.

>>38902433
Do you have a sexy voice or not? Deep or smooth?

>>38904261
NTA but I am also asexual. I was born with Klinefelter syndrome though.

babi sex?

https://www.twitch.tv/makokoko_ch
armored core

>>38892354

>>38892354
More growth then I expected

>>38909544
it's not a meme though

https://www.twitch.tv/abigailcrocm

best croc is streaming DR2C

https://www.twitch.tv/losgatosdewilson
grindeando en snowrunner [ESP/ENG]

twitch.tv/abigailcrocm

watch my babi ghanoushka oshi play this mod

>>38921535
Sorry, even though I closely interact with only a small pool of humans, everything I've never experienced is fake.

>>38924575
Same

>>38926657
What about the shark?

>>38929071

>>38931546
based feet enjoyer

wow Yugo just graduated

>>38933748
>Yugo
I'm pretty certain Yugoslavia graduated 30 years ago. We had a war and stuff.

>>38933982

>>38931546
that's a good pose i should take some pics in that pose

When will we stop rating chuubas on whether they're 2views or 3views and start rating them on whether a viewer has them in their top 4 or not?

>>38934978
lmao get fucked no viewers

>>38934978
I have several as a 2 view

>>38915376
Eyy, I have a friend with that. Whomstive I wanna introduce you two. Bonding through autism.

>>38902433
Look at bluecat’s numbers for his ASMR. Bro did zero work and now has 200k views on YouTube. If you’re not making numbers but that freak is you’re doing something wrong.

>>38936727
who's bluecat? I'll be fair and say I don't do coomer pandering and I haven't tried youtube so in that sense I'm doing something wrong. Not that I don't want to do it, just doesn't fit my character yet.

>>38915376
I don't think you're asexual, I think you're coping so you don't suffer

>>38936862
https://www.youtube.com/@4d_kali983/videos

>>38937327
is this vtubing?

>>38937724
He is a vtuber and someone was asking about male ASMR by vtubers, so yes.
https://www.twitch.tv/4d_kali

>>38937327
God damn he went from 2views to this!? Good for him!

Males ded

>>38937327
uh okay... well I'm glad people enjoy it but i wouldn't even call that ASMR that's just a guy roleplaying. But then again what i do isn't ASMR either then by those standards so I'm sitting in a glass house. Good he found something he likes doing, I really don't like making videos anymore i did it for a long time I'd rather do things live. I used to do a date live, i just like the interaction. That's the whole reason I'm streaming. I love interacting with people it's so much fun.

If I ever get on someone's recap I'll be so fucking happy

>>38936873
Don't worry. I suffer enough already.

>>38936873
>>38924575

i hate males

>>38938251
>already am on someone's recap
WAGMI

Shit, the thread is reaching bump limit

>>38941988
then its time to make a new one obviously

>>38936650
Sorry, dont want to be known as "that vtuber who has an extra chromosome"