/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Holo members only have permission for the new Pokemon game until Feb anyway.

>>38699622
That long? Man, I can't wait for this to be over.

>>38699622
why do they need permission to play anyway?

>>38699884
Most from the JPs are done and some are just shiny hunting, I wonder what's the next arc will be.

>>38700004
japanese companies are retarded

>>38700018
probably a tournament of some sort

>>38700004
Fair use is a joke and publishers can just come in and rape your youtube channel if you play their games whenever they want.
Holo is a bitch made company that doesnt wanna risk anything so theyd rather restrict their talents to playing the same 3 games all year.

>>38700004
Japanese autism

>>38699018
He should call his manager a nigger.

>>38700072
>Holo is a bitch made company that doesnt wanna risk anything
The purge of their past vods before scared them and is now being careful on what the talent's streams.
It's pretty understandable.

>>38700004
August 2020 Mio had to hiatus for a month because Capcom copyright striked the channel after her streaming Ghost Trick.
Pretty much every Hololive video made before the event was taken down.

>>38699622
why the hell are permissions timed liked that?
do they have to pay nintendo per month for the permission or something? I dont get it.

>>38700413
It's only for Pokemon games usually.

>>38700413
the limited time is mostly for pokemon.

>>38700413
>Kurosawa-san why did you give this company permissions, now our product is getting trashed for being outdated and clunky by this hothead
>But I did that three years ago and this streamer wasn't even in their company then
>I don't care, this is going on your performance review

>>38700389
what the fuck is this a joke?

>>38700154
he calls her a cunt all the time, she likes it

>>38700760
nope, you can see the gap of missing vods from their streams are from the purge of the copyrights that time.
So many missing streams that most people missed...

>>38700389
The strike was because Mio monetized the stream,. The official post from Capcom said that you need permission to monetize streaming Capcom's game. If she has the monetization off, Capcom probably won't care.

>>38700389
I started getting into Hololive just before this happened and my first thought (before knowing the real reason) was that deleting old streams was probably just yet another way for the Japanese to create artifical scarcity or some retarded shit like that which they fucking love lol

>>38700004
Legally speaking, you’re supposed to have permission to stream or make YouTube videos in America too. Most American publishers just see it as free advertising and have blanket permission in their tos. Japanese devs and publishers are far more protective and will strike you for playing without their explicit permission in writing.

>>38700760
I fucking wish.
https://files.catbox.moe/v3gzav.mp4

>>38701026
>Japanese devs and publishers are far more protective and will strike you for playing without their explicit permission in writing.
Then how come tons of big western streamers stream pokemon for example without any issue, some times even streaming versions that are clearly modded.

>>38700760
Technically companies can strike any small streamer for playing their games if they wanted, it just isn't on their radars and not worth it most of the time.
Probably worth it for Hololive to have this policy, not just to avoid issues but also because theres potential money they can make if they can argue that Hololive talents playing their game is good advertising.

>>38700760
>>38700004
do we really have newfags who don't know about the holocaust? although the reaction is so earnest it's kind of endearing.

>>38701026
Japanese companies tend to have blanket permissions as well, but they specify that they're only valid for individuals, and corporations need to contact them in *insert email*.
It's only fair, you don't get to profit as a company off of other company's property like this. People see it differently because they're fans of the person streaming, not necessarily the corporation, but the person streaming is doing so under a company character, on a company channel, and making the company money. Don't want to deal with that, stay indie.

>>38699018
so this is why Vesper got pissed, what's wrong with them? why can't they just communicate effectively what is or isn't allowed?

>>38701260
Why doesn't Vshojo need permissions?

>>38701230
Tempus fans are relatively new so I don't know what you expected

>>38701287
Chadmerican Company.

>>38701287
Who says they don't? If you steal something, that doesn't mean you're allowed to, that just means you did it anyway. If you don't get caught, nothing will happen either.
Cover didn't give a fuck about permissions before the holocaust, the rules didn't change, they just felt them being enforced for the first time and changed their internal operations.

>>38701331
So you're telling me i could destroy vshojo by sending a few mails to nintendo and capcom? Good to know.

>>38700072
>You are a bitch for not wanting to be sued and ending in financial ruin, which results in there no longer being any streams at all
Stop being a juvenile retard

>>38701186
nintendo has generic streaming permissions written that you can locate, but they specify they only apply to independent creators.

>>38701359
Good luck getting them to notice you if they're not even noticing vshojo.
You have to consider that Cover is big enough to now be sponsored by most of the companies who used to complain about them streaming their games. They're willing to give Cover money directly to promote their games if they do it it on their terms. Of course they'd notice.

>>38701403
What about >>38701287

>>38701186
Keep in mind that Nintendo has used these policies to enforce the shut down of various smash tournaments for running modified versions of the games by pre-emptively revoking their right to stream the games.

>>38701359
i think they got into some kind of roadbump with that regards already due to them opening a jp branch.

>>38701295
>>38701230
I'm not a tempus fan(don't hate them just not really into them)
I started watching gamma looking for drawing tutorials and thought he was cool.

Anyway thanks for spoonfeeding.

>>38701361
Doesnt stop any other streamers/youtubers/companies from doing what they want
Japs are neutered

>>38701295
rent free

>>38701413
Right after Cover got in bed with Capcom, Capcom gave Mio a constant stream of sponsorships. Seems like it was their way of apologizing to her.

>>38701514
>Doesnt stop any other streamers/youtubers/companies from doing what they want
It does if you are on youtube
And it might also happen on twitch especially if the rrat about daddy bezos not funding them in the future anymore is real.

>>38701287
American/Western streamers and they stream on twitch. Youtube's copyright strike mode makes it easymode for corporations to fuck over streamers.

>>38701580
So what you are saying is that Holos should stream games they don't have permissions for on twitch

>>38701427
vshojo is barely a company, but it's also american. it's a lot easier to do whatever because america has fair use baked into copyright law that japan does not have. would they lose if nintendo decided to strike them for it? yes.but they also stream on twitch and it's less common to get struck there for game copyright.

>>38701619
>So what you are saying is that Holos should stream games they don't have permissions for on twitch
nope because they would still get assfucked due to being a jap company.

>>38701514
Minase Rio from Holostars was somewhat recently playing a visual novel they had permissions for, but one of the devs thought he was playing too much of it and decided to copyright strike his channel.
They did in fact have written permission to stream the entirety of the game, so the dev got fucked and had to publicly apologize for acting like a cunt, and the VOD stayed up.
What exactly would they have gained by acting like spoiled children thinking they are inherently entitled to do whatever they wanted?

>>38701134
>Missing the Chinese archive
>and Subaru's retarded mangement
7/10 video

>>38700760

>>38701736
So what you're saying then is that HoloEN should be split as a different legal entity based in the USA.

>>38701785
would still fuck them over since the japs will retaliate at holojp
its the same roadbump vshojojp is going to have if they get big enough and popular enough.

>>38701514
>Doesnt stop any other streamers/youtubers/companies from doing what they want
>Yes indeed I am a retard that does not know that channels outside of Japan have to deal with copyright claim and demonetization

>>38699018
Axel dumb, please understand

what's the point of all these meetings if they can't accurately convey to the talents what is and isn't playable to them?

>>38701982
see
>>38701768
sometimes some companies/employees from the game you are streaming go full retard

>>38701768
>by acting like spoiled children thinking they are inherently entitled to do whatever they wanted?
It is in fact your legal right to record yourself playing a game and to profit off it anon

>>38701580
>It is good to suck Amazon's cock, because they only care about their own copyright
Twitchniggers in a Nutshell

>>38699018
Don't managers OK their schedule before hand?

>>38701283
Oh go fuck yourself you absolute fucking retard literally NO ONE ELSE in the fucking ENTIRETY OF THE COMPANY has this issue and then this bumbling dumbfuck comes around and then you decide to blame management? Really?

>>38701835
I guess this is perhaps THE worst part of being in a JP corpo.
No wonder English Corpos have a better access to perms.

>>38701982
They have a list, Axel just can't read.
List said "HITMAN 2", Axel bought and played "HITMAN", was surprised to find out they're not the same thing.

>>38700760
>be Mio
>cooking while waiting for the next l4d2 stream
>suddenly, phone call
>it's manager-san
>"one your videos has been struck"
>"they are coming"
>panic, rush to the front door
>too late
>three black SUVs pull up in front of house
>12 guys in bad Ryu and Megaman cosplay get off
>try to leave through the back
>get caught by one dude wearing Phoenix Wright's wig.
>one guy in Vergil coat breaks your legs with a crowbar
>cry out in pain and fear, apologize desperately
>they stuff your mouth with an EVO t-shirt
>the entire cast of Capcom take turn on you until you are more cum than wolf.

>>38699018
you cant make this up lmao

>>38702089
>No wonder English Corpos have a better access to perms
depends on where and what you stream
try streaming anything disney related and it wont matter where you are you are getting fucked

>>38702086
Management has proven time and time again that they're extremely incompetent so what's wrong with blaming them. One of their main responsabilities is handling permissions so when they keep on fucking that up it's obvious they're bad at their job.

>>38702121
forgot image

>>38702048
As a person, not a company. It is not your legal right to start a company and make money using another company's intellectual property.
Minase Rio is a character that belongs to Cover Corporation, not a person. Rio Ch. 水無世燐央 - UPROAR!! - is also Cover Corporation's property.

>>38702180
Nigger if only ONE retard fucks up out of the 40+ talents, then the issue is the talent that fucked up. This isn't even his first time doing this retarded shit.

>>38702187
That sounds like a japan problem.

>>38702089
They don't have better access to perms.

English corpos simply aren't big enough to be on company radars.

>>38702233
More like one talent dared to fight back instead of taking it lying down.

>>38702237
https://kotaku.com/jojos-bizarre-adventure-netflix-mickey-mouse-disney-1849848197
https://torrentfreak.com/netflix-and-disney-expand-australias-piracy-blocklist-with-dozens-of-domains-221206/

>>38702288
Talents fight back all the time, they just don't call them a nigger while doing so.

>>38702288
>Fights an imaginary battle that can fuck over the rest of his co-workers
>OH MY GOD HE'S SO BASED

No you're retarded.

>>38702237
Try profitting from Disney's IP with your own western company, see how far you get. Also why do you think it's english songs that need to be unarchived?
As Axel himself said, english songs being unarchived has nothing to do with permissions, it's that they will copyright strike your VOD even if you do have permission.

>>38702265
So this means any small to medium corpo that inclines actually carries the risk f being fucked.

>>38702288
Sexually harassing your manager just because you cant stream xcom is not the way to go anon. Then again not surprising from coming from vesper since he's a republican.

>>38702187
Being in a company doesnt change fair use law.
Youtube is notorious for siding with the big companies and fighting them is expensive and takes forever.
Its just another example of the legal system being a joke cause the small man literally cant afford to fight back even if hes right so companies run around doing whatever they want.

>>38702364
I will now watch your old man

>>38702312
I don't think piracy falls under fair use.

>>38702373
Streaming the entirety of an entertainment product does not count as fair use. Fair use is using bits of it to illustrate your point in a review.
Games enter the "transformative work" grey area, that's what keeps things less clear, not "fair use".

>>38702400
according to >>38702048 it is

>38702237
Don't you have to be at least 15 to be allowed on here?

>>38702353
Since Vshojo is safe thry'd need to get bigger than that which means having multiple talents bordering on 10k ccv. I really don't think that's going to happen any time soon.

Permissions are a shit and I wish Vesper had the balls to keep fighting for them.
>get punished once
>stop
Should have gone all the way and started a civil war, maybe then I'd have started respecting homos.

i don't even watch hololive and i know about the holocaust, the absolute state of newfags on this board

>>38702456
Lets plays are fair use but spending millions and 2 years in court arguing it just for the judge to rule for you to just delete the video and move on is a waste of everyones time.

>>38702508
Vshojo probably also gets some leeway due to not actually taking a cut from stream revenue, only merch. They can argue that streams are independent activities. Not a very strong argument, but at least stronger than a regular corpo taking a cut from superchat.

>>38702457
If you payed for the game then yeah, it's within your legal right to stream yourself plying it.

>>38702518
https://hololive.jetri.co/#/status
>for reference

>>38701778
Based Miofam

>>38702563
This is the argument that VOMS uses, the talent gets all the stream revenue and Gyari takes almost all the merch revenue iirc

>>38702111
To be fair, that part is really dumb because literally ALL of the first Hitman game is available to play inside Hitman 2.

>>38702575
youtube and twitch doesnt see it that way
even if i payed for the movie i would still get hit with a copyright if i didn't get permision and probably piracy since it falls under illegal distribution if i stream it.

>>38702604
How the fuck do some have over 100%??

>>38701283
>>38702079
Why does anybody still think that HoloEN managers are anything but a waste of oxygen?

Cover probably just applied standard Japanese hiring practices (hire fresh college graduates irrespective of any skill, experience, or education in the sector they are hired in) without realizing that the system barely works in Japan because of country-wide autism, it would never work in the west.

HoloEN "managers" have the vaguest understanding of what a vtuber is, probably hate it and consider it stupid, and only to the bare minimum to get that Japanese easy money, while working or studying on the side.

>>38702666
But that just makes his mistake even more stupid. He could have still played Hitman 1 if he wanted by simply buying the right game.

>>38702666
Sometimes publishers only give perms for the newest game since they don't want you playing the older ones (Atlus only gave HoloEN perms for P5 and nothing else for example).

>>38702668
If you upload gameplay people might think its fun and play it themselves especially if its multiplayer
If you upload a movie they have already seen it and that potential revenue is completely lost for the creator
Thats the difference
Uploading a movie is basically like uploading the gamefiles

>>38702563
Vshojo might be in a weird spot since the companies might go after the streamer directly rather than the company since they try to sell themselves as not a vtubing company. And another avenue would be companies targetting the actual person and not the avatar/company especially in the case of vshojo where the company is in america due to that recent japanese ruling that the vtuber and person is one and the same.

>>38702759
That sounds like something that only japanese companies do.

>>38702759
Demon's Souls PS3 never ever...

>>38702779
Shitshow is twitch thots only so they dont have to worry about VODs
Twitch is an utterly lawless shithole retards like xqc just stream entire movies

>>38702777
>If you upload gameplay people might think its fun and play it themselves especially if its multiplayer
Thats not how jap companies think of it though since they think that streaming the game is a potential loss since the viewers wont want to buy the game anymore.

>>38702779
>they try to sell themselves as not a vtubing company
I really don't think that matters in a court of law when vshojo can be proven to be registered as a company.

>>38702840
They are not wrong tho

>>38702832
Anon I mean that instead of jap companies going after twitch they might just go after the actual people behind the streamers instead.

>>38702840
Well thats their problem cause its still transformative and doesnt directly damage their potential profits
But again arguing that in court is expensive and futile
Maybe japans autistic artist fellating shame culture makes them more warry

>>38702668
You get hit with a copyright claim because of overzealous Youtube bots.
Which exist because Youtube requires some conceit to show that it should be protected under safe harbor provisions, that it is making a good faith and effective effort to police unlawful content on its platform. Saying 'we have such stringent automated protection that it even deters lawful usage' sounds good to layman judges.

>>38702777
The "free marketing" argument isn't all that strong, in my opinion. Not because I disagree with it, it really is, but marketing is still under the company's control, they have marketing departments for that. If they don't want your marketing, even if it's free, even if it would be stupid not to, it's well within their rights to not have it running, isn't it?
Nobody would argue that Sony was acting against the law by sending Gravity Rush 2 to die without even featuring it at E3, just that they're stupid. They're free to market their games (or not market them) however they want.

>>38700004
Japanese devs don't like free advertise

>>38702905
There's also the fact that it would be terrible optics for a company to go after viseo game streamers. In japanese companies can get away with it but western ones would get a ton of bad publicity that just isn't worth dealing with.

>>38702901
>>38702941
You know nothing about Japan; this is how ALL developed countries work.
Glock doesn't like it when you use their name in songs, games et cetera and the same with Hekler & Koch.

You must be a Indog.

>>38702891
Because streamers only need a computer and a mic to stream and you can't be assured of getting profit back from the lawsuit, while a shitload of hate and negative PR is assured.
Add on that you have to be somewhat irresponsible or unstable in many ways to go into streaming in the first place, given the insane odds, which casts into doubt your ability to pay damages. At least a lasting company can be assumed to be stable enough to constantly pay wages.
For streamers it's a coin's toss whether you get someone's 300K sitting in their bank account or their 1000 CSGO lootboxes they bought to open on stream.

>>38702901
>He says this when Disney sued a hospital who painted some disney characters in their childrens ward due to potential damage in profits and actually won in court.

>>38702905
Im not saying gameplay is free marketing im saying that gameplay does not discourage people from buying it themselves.
Primarily the gameplay is a vehicle for the creator to market themselves and entertain.

>>38703090
Dont confuse american law with whats moral or true

I don't see these incidents happening with the girls as frequently as these guys so maybe they are just retarded

>>38703133
The girls don't actually like games.

>>38703127
>Dont confuse american law with whats moral or true
morality is not true though, its relative.

Axel did this before once when he played the wrong Hitman game - they only had perms for 2 but he played 1 or something. I love the guy, but chances are this is a similar situation where he's the one that screwed up.

>>38703192
>morality is not true though, its relative.
Not him but:
that's something leftists think.

'Morals — all correct moral laws — derive from the instinct to survive. Moral behavior is survival behavior above the individual level'.
- Robert A. Heinlein.

>>38703133
Girls aren't independent, they simply "go with the flow", which is why there's no parental leave in america (lol), they don't fight for their own rights.

>>38703127
>im saying that gameplay does not discourage people from buying it themselves.
Uhh, yes it does; if they see it and think they won't like it, then they won't want to buy it.
Some games look better streamed than others.

You're really not thinking big enough.

>>38703237
>Robert A. Heinlein
>science fiction author, aeronautical engineer, and naval officer
kek

>>38703237
The truth or falsity of moral judgments, or their justification, is not absolute or universal, but is relative to the traditions, convictions, or practices of a group of persons.

Remember when Nintendo killed an oshii?

>>38702759
They don't have P4 perms?

>>38703268
>which is why there's no parental leave in america (lol), they don't fight for their own rights.
America is built on slavery and still runs on slavery.
Workers rights in general are an absolute fucking joke.

>>38703286
Reviews are as fair use as it gets anon.
Somebody in a video telling you papa johns tastes like shit doesn't infringe their copyright.

>>38703268
Being given money by tax payers is in no way a right.

>>38703133
the girls who learn about games when they see their coworkers streaming them, meaning they obviously have permissions? gee, I wonder why

>>38703289
Yes.

>>38703268
>there's no parental leave in america
bullshit, really?

>>38700004
blame nijiniggers

>>38703300
It's okay when Nintendo does it.

>>38703237
Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers intending it to be taken completely seriously, which says all you need to know about his qualifications to judge morality.

>>38703179
Being a vtuber has a lot to do with acting anyway. But instead of disappointing fans how hard is it to simple ask higher ups if Nintendo gave permissions for x game before scheduling it.

>>38703405
It says that he's based?

>>38703416
>making a flip your mc
>based

>>38703352
That's something for you to negotiate with your employer about. As it should be.
Wanting to have the state drive up costs is fucking insane.

>>38703352
And no paid overtime
Barely if any sick leave.
No public healthcare so if you get mutilated in the steel mill its your problem.
If you try to form a union to get better work times and above minimum wage your employer will hire a law firm that specialises in bribing and threatening people into staying good little worker slaves.

>>38703411
>Being a vtuber has a lot to do with acting anyway
It does, but very few vtubers are actally good actors. Usually you can tell who actually likes video games and who only plays them because they have to.

>>38703460

What almost no one here understand is that laws and something doesn't matter here. You got 3 strike you are dead. Youtube will apply the strike any dev put even if it's for a single music, a single cutscene or the whole game for it matter, cause they have to in order to wash their hand of it. Then you will have to go on litigation with the company and make a trial about the copyright and all the shit. Who will at least take 10 years if you are lucky. and you aren't even sure to win. And you will have to use tons of money. So are you ready to risk your whole life because some retarded anon can't understand why you take perm? lol no one in his right mind will do that ever, and you will continue call it retarded because of your low IQ and lack of understanding of the world, like a twitfag you probably are or were until you got scared of elon-kun.

>>38703432
Well they are the strongest race.

>>38703461
>No public healthcare so if you get mutilated in the steel mill its your problem.

>Canada introducing suicide as a healthcare service and encouraging doctors to offer it as the optimal solution
kek

>>38703296
It's relative in that it's relative to humans and not the entire cosmos, yes, but it's universal when it's in the confines of humanity.

The true question is, then: is anything beyond humanity worth defining beyond humanity's perception?
Regardless: morality, a human concept (thus far), in application to huamns, is capable of being defined as universal. Unwarranted murder is, exempli gratia, universally, amongst humans, immoral.

>>38703530
Sounds like a youtube problem.

>>38703549
Assisted suicide should be a thing everywhere but I have no idea why the people in canada tried so hard to push it onto people.
Do they need to hit certain numbers or their budget gets cut? lmao

>>38703352
Americans all got turned into cattles in the last few decades, that’s why you see so many people bootlicking cover and management in this thread, really sad state

>>38703405
Based.

'To permit irresponsible authority is to sow disaster; to hold a man responsible for anything he does not control is to behave with blind idiocy. The unlimited democracies were unstable because their citizens were not responsible for the fashion in which they exerted their sovereign authority . . . other than through the tragic logic of history. The unique 'poll tax' that we must pay was unheard of. No attempt was made to determine whether a voter was socially responsible to the extent of his literally unlimited authority. If he voted the impossible, the disastrous possible happened instead—and responsibility was then forced on him willy-nilly and destroyed both him and his foundationless temple'.
- Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers

>>38703602
>I'm the smartest person in America, everybody who disagrees with me is wrong
...

>>38703432
>Flips
>majority Catholic
Based

>Indogs
>majority Islamic
Kek.

>>38702575
Not if the TOS says it isn't

>>38703577
It IS a youtube problem. It is also how they stay in business through this paper-thin conceit that they are totallllly able to police their platform, because if they ever admit that they aren't, every IP holder will come looking for their pound of flesh. For the cost of bandwidth and the monopolies held by cable companies, streaming services are honestly a fucking impossibility in today's world, only sustained through delusions of marketing potential.

>>38703599
Because when suicide is an universal solution society starts pushing people into suicide to bring down costs.
Of course there's always been people like that but now it's sanctified by the state.

>>38703735
>society starts pushing people into suicide to bring down costs.
Thats like the "If you have an organ donor card doctors will just let you die" rrat.
The healthcare industry actually wants to help people believe it or not.

>>38699018
Axel-chama...
Not unexpected, he did confuse a Hitman game that Cover had perms for with one that Cover didn't have perms for in the past, and management only noticed that mistake after he streamed it for an hour or so.

>>38703779
Canadain doctors literally offer suicide for nothingburgres.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/christine-gauthier-assisted-death-macaulay-1.6671721

>>38703877
Yeah like I said >>38703599
I have no idea why canada went so hard on this other countries that have assisted suicide are doing fine.

>>38703779
>industry
>help people
kek
>organ donor card
Reminds me of this
>The U.S. supplies 94 percent of the paid plasma used around the world. And nearly 80 percent of the plasma centers in the U.S. are located in America’s poorer neighborhoods.
aand going back to Canada, the company Ambrosia, founded by Jesse Karmazin who's part of the Live Forever club, has a center there that let's people pay to have plasma transfused for "youth and longevity".

>>38704024
So Canada is vampire HQ.

Doctors aren't the most moral people on Earth, mate.
In other countries, the law explicitely forbids them from mentioning assisted suicide.

>Belgian doctors are advised to avoid mentioning euthanasia to patients since it could be misinterpreted as medical advice. The Australian state of Victoria forbids doctors from raising euthanasia with patients. There are no such restrictions in Canada. The association of Canadian health professionals who provide euthanasia tells physicians and nurses to inform patients if they might qualify to be killed, as one of their possible “clinical care options.”

Which brings me to:
'Service men are not brighter than civilians. In many cases civilians are much more intelligent. That was the sliver of justification underlying the attempted coup d' etat just before the Treaty of New Delhi, the so-called 'Revolt of the Scientists': let the intelligent elite run things and you'll have utopia. It fell flat on its foolish face of course. Because the pursuit of science, despite its social benefits, is itself not a social virtue; its practitioners can be men so self-centered as to be lacking in social responsibility'.

>>38703374
rent free

>>38701026
nips are just fucking retarded, their entire society is a glass house, i work in banking and interned and worked for 3 years in japan, everything they do is retarded, nothing makes sense, i regret spending 3 years of the prime of my life in that shithole, outside of the hong kong chicks that live in toyko, japan is a waste of time.

>>38704085
meant for: >>38703913

>>38704057
Canada and Switzerland, the country of suicide tourism among other things, do seem to be the epicentres of evil in the world. kek

>>38704104
t. chink

'Japan is the only nation in Asia that understands the principles and methods of Western civilization. She has proved that she can assimilate Western civilization'.
- Theodore Roosevelt

>>38704216
>principles and methods of Western civilization
lol

>>38704231
Yes.

>>38704104
As opposed to what country? There are only 3 right answers

>>38704231
let the american dream

>>38702288
Nice cope homobeggar lmao

>>38704085
>so self-centered as to be lacking in social responsibility
The main goal of science is laziness after all

>>38704216
lol hard disagree go to the tier 1 cities in China ie Shenzhen and Shanghai, those places are more fucking capitalistic and westernized then most of America lmao not even joking, Japan is a meme especially in business, ask anyone whos had to deal with nips professionally in business its like talking to fucking 5 year olds. Even chinks who fucking hate americans on a philosophical level are miles easier to deal with in business then dumbass japan

>>38704231
You have to account for that being a statement from before the wall fell and socialism ruined the west.

>>38703460
This, the employer should hold all the power just as god intended, so when he has some personal vendetta against you, you don't get any rights and should probably starve with your child to begin with!

>>38704292
Good point; I hadn't thought of it that way.
Even the weapons of mass destruction they make could be viewed as being the easiest (therefor laziest) way of killing.

>>38704365
If you contribute no value to your employer then you should have no power, yes.

>>38704402
the americattle strikes again

>>38704340
t. chink.

Unions are protection rackets.

>>38704340
smells like bug in here

Nijisanji doesn't seem to have this issue. Enna is currently doing a playthrough of DP

>>38700004
In Japan, the "Fair Use" rule doesn't apply. If you use even 1 second of other parties, that being music, image or video without their consent, you're up for lawsuits or strikes.

>>38704340
>miles easier to deal with in business
You're either a chink or you never noticed yourself getting scammed by chinks.

Chinks are scammers.

>>38704448
lol think what you want bro, im 34 ive spent my entire professional career in Asia, Singapore and China are the only countries that give a fuck about making bank, its funny Americans and Chinks are at each others throats bc of propoganda on both sides and geopolitics but once you get past that, modern Chinese ppl and Americans are more alike then you could ever imagine.

>>38704448
The wisdom of the planned economy. kek
And as everything leads back to Canada, China is the ideal way to govern according to their dear leader. kek

>>38704567
>getting scammed by chinks

lol im 34 and have made more money in China and Singapore then you ever will in fucking Japan or Korea, i care about making money period, Japan fucking sucks for that, same with korea, lol Korea is literally propped up by samsung, you remove samsung, Korea becomes a completely useless peninsula of land economically.

>>38704537
It has nothing to do with fair use, fair use doesn't cover video game let's plays/streams either, it's just that 99% of the time you can get away with recording/streaming whatever you want because most devs/publishers aren't retarded. Hololive's problem is that them being a company makes the already retarded jap devs act extra stupid, and unlike regular youtubers they don't want to just risk it and then raise a stink on twitter every time they get hit with a strike from Nintendo or whoever.

>>38704534
At the same time Nijisanji doesn't do official promotional streams for the franchise either.

>>38704574
>making bank
Chinese only care about the short term. Which is why you get things like that Shanghai bridge built out of literal trash. Which ended as expected.

kek this is too fucking funny
Tempus is driving the public opinion of Cover through the fucking ground by making every minor disagreement they have with management public, after all the artificial push management did to get them even a modicum of success
backing their every project, pushing them by blurring the line between hololive and holostars with that dumb hololive production shtick, shamelessly shilling them on every social media, while the girls were left behind, especially Council
and now they're biting the hands that fed them, it's hilarious
i hope EN management gets axed asap

>>38704690
Isn't China's economy going down the shitter thanks to their real estate scam?

One thing you didn't mention is reputation and brand. Company don't want "free" advertisment, because the person who advertised their product might be notorious. They want to choose who get to be related to their brand; otherwise companies wouldn't cut sponsor deals with celebraties after scandal.

>>38704640
>i care about making money period
Ah, a Jew.
Jews and chinks are the same, no wonder you find them so great.

And yes, 2nd world countries are easier to make money in because they lack regulations.
Hence why Chinese keep dying in factories.
But hey, you got your money, who gives a fuck if a chink dies (well, I do think that as well, but you're a Jew nonetheless since you don't care who dies; I only want chinks to die).

'A covetous man shall not be satisfied with money: and he that loveth riches shall reap no fruit from them: so this also is vanity'.
- Ecclesiastes 5:10

>>38704737
as opposed to what? Americas which is propped up completely by the infinite growth model lmao. Ask the 65 year olds who lostt 40% of their retirement this year in america, ask how they are feeling lmao, This is what I mean dumb ass chinks and americans hate eachother without being able to recognize how they both get fucked by their government, its fucking hilarious you couldn't right material this funny.

>>38704810
again you dumbfucks who buy into geopolitics and propaganda have no fucking clue how alike China and America are lol its funny.

>>38704737
That's a part of it but the main reasons are their lockdowns, the governments crackdown on private corporations and the extreme herd mentality.

>>38704865
>nothing else matters, just ME making money
>the whole world could burn, for all I care, just give me my money
Die Juden.

I'm not American so that's why your little trick, saying they're the same, isn't working; I don't give a fuck if they're the same.

>>38704923
sounds like america

>>38704810
didnt say i find them great just way better at business them dumb ass japanese ppl, for a population thats so well educated, its amazing how fucking terrible they are at business, its actually astonishing.

>>38704934
>they don't give me money easily?! fucking dumb cunts!
Die Juden.

>>38704971
>Die Juden.
Stop hating on American, anon.

>>38704933
Well, at least in the US it varies from state to state even if the feds are doing their best to turn things into shit.
Meanwhile in China you have the one party having slight disagreements over how to best turn the country into an even worse shithole.

>>38704934
'And yes, 2nd world countries are easier to make money in because they lack regulations'.

Retarded chink.

>>38704971
they dont give anyone or make any money, their economy is fucking terrible, its been fucking terrible for over 30 years, they are dogshit at it, as i said, astonishing.

I wonder who these "people" that can't punctuate and capitalize properly could possibly be, surely not chinkhands right?

>>38704865
Anon this thread is shitting on America nonstop, why do you think that is helping your argument

>>38705016
Be nice to the flesh bots. They simply lack the capacity to know better.

>38705007
>says he is 36
>says he knows their economy has been shit for 30 years

>started working at 6
Riiiiiight.

>>38705070
holy shit do you have braincells? I know you must be a dumb coomer zoomer faggot but you understand we have volatility and growth metrics that go back half a century right? You understand you didnt need to be working to analyze this data right? Third world fingers typed this shit.

>>38704865
Oh, man, they're as bad as americans? Now you're opening my eyes.
Fuck off, chink. Take America with you.

>>38705070
ill even give you the starting point, go back to 1991 and start with the absolute smooth brain nigger mistakes they made with interest rates, if you have 2 functioning braincells and can read that will take you down the path to finding your answers

>>38705007
I don't mind. From what I've seen of the Japanese they care way more about, well, life, than money. Some of their ideas about what living should be like are fucking retarded like their salaryman routines but at least it arises out of some warped ideas of traditions, principles and peer approval rather than profit.

>>38705070
Congratulations, I haven't read something more retarded for the past half year.
You can look back at history and come to this conclusion.

glowiechamas...
wolfchamas...

>>38705125
>You understand you didnt need to be working to analyze this data right?
According to the data, the average Japanese is richer than the average Chinese.

Checkmate, chinky.

>>38705257
no shit retard.

六四屠杀

>>38705223
>they care way more about, well, life

lol it astounds me everyday how dumb and blind this board, is, Japan is one of the most materialistic societies on the fucking planet, you absolute retarded nigger.

>38705245
>You can look back at history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
>Deaths 15–55 million

Such amazing chink powers.

>>38705311
t. the most knowledgeable person on the topic of Japan
Fucking weeaboo.

>>38705359
keep your head in the sand if you want you dumb nigger, it doesnt matter, Japan's greatest PR department is the fat disgusting weebs that have never even stepped foot in their country, its hilarious.

>>38705422
'Japan is the only nation in Asia that understands the principles and methods of Western civilization. She has proved that she can assimilate Western civilization, yet not break up her own heritage. All the Asiatic nations are now faced with the urgent necessity of adjusting themselves to the present age. Japan should be their natural leader in that process, and their protector during the transition stage, much as the United States assumed the leadership of the American continent many years ago, and by means of the Monroe Doctrine, preserved the Latin American nations from European interference. The future policy of Japan towards Asiatic countries should be similar to that of the United States towards their neighbors on the American continent'.
- Theodore Roosevelt

>lol

>>38705470
>Theodore Roosevelt
who?

>>38705422
>admitted average Chinese is poorer than average Japanese
>Chinese is superior
LMAO.

>>38705497
lol literally a statement made over a century ago? thats your fucking proof? Jesus christ as I said it astounds me how fucking stupid and blind this board is on a daily basis.

>>38705540
your average westerner is also dumber than your average east asian, are you an east asian supremacist now?

>even the leader of the chinks against Japan thinks chinks are subhumans

"After the fall of Kaifeng our conditions worsened and became more serious. I now realized that the main reason our nation has collapsed, time after time throughout our history, was not because of superior power used by our external enemies, but because of disintegration and rot from within".
- Chiang Kai-shek

>>38705592
yes

>>38705606
Glad we agree.

chinkbots are coming out in droves today.
Must be because all their friends and relatives out protesting sank their social credit by association. kek

>>38705561
No, it is you who are dumb.

Prove me wrong.
Pro-tip: you can't.

>another thread successfully derailed into shitting on amerimutts
I’m getting too good at this

>>38705311
I don't know how you thought 'materialistic' was the opposite of enjoying life, but seeing the low prices on food and just about everything over there, the surprisingly low car ownership rates and the shitty kinds of cars they drive, the fact that restaurants can just take breaks for the entire afternoon as a matter of course, or that the discussion just segued off how notoriously bad japanese corpos are at milking money out of their captive customer base, yeah, I'll say they're considerably much more relaxed than I'll expect. Or maybe I just come from a much more materialistic society than them and it's a breath of fresh air.

>>38706425
I think it's just that these chinese are used to the state owning everything, including the chinese people.
So the act of exchanging gifts, as is part of many social interactions in Japan, comes off as 'materialistic' to them.

>>38703300
Fuck Nintendo. Fuck Nintendorks.
Give me back my Tomeru, you cunts!

>>38706766
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

>>38701230
>how come there are people who really gets into hobbies after me?
How can one be so self-centered?

>>38701778
Lmao

>>38706977
By seldom interacting with anybody but Anonymous, specifically the much more insufferable flavor of Anonymous that's been so popular here for the last ten years.

>>38704433
Why should someone who provides low value be able to negotiate strongly with someone who provides them high value? It is hard to imagine a proposition less natural or intuitive.

>>38707354
It's especially rich given that that one is likely someone from this country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZBaE6s0kOo

>>38701230
>do we really have newfags who don't know about the holocaust?
They're also known as holocaust deniers

>>38700004
One word, "Japan"

>>38707746
Heeeere's didney!

>>38702518
>you can't be new to a hobby

Kys

>>38706425
If you just want to see the difference between Japan and other societies, look at, for example, what they think is worthwhile complaining about on google reviews of shops.
For other countries, the worst reviews might be stuff like "not worth the price. You can get much better at X with more meat."
For Japan, the reviews are shit like "Staff did not respond when I said 'gochisousamadeshita" when returning the bowl. I felt a feeling of indescribable loneliness. The taste of the food was very good, but did you forget the essence of the service I was used to from twelve years ago? One star."

>38708069
>rrat
Even if true, imagine thinking google is a reflection of society.

>>38699018
Knowing Axel, yeah, probably.

>>38700172
the purge was their own stupid reaction

>>38702332
>Also why do you think it's english songs that need to be unarchived?
There are also Japanese songs that need to be unarchived too m8

>>38702575
No it isn't.
Do you think if you own a movie you have the right to stream yourself watching it too? Why don't you try and put a disney movie up and stream it on twitch

Further proof of shitty EN management

>>38702777
That might be the moral difference in your opinion but legally there is none.
You'll just need to make your argument in court after you get sued as to why you think your content is transformative enough to be fair use.

>>38699018
Someone should inform him about the HOLOcaust and Mio
It seems like there's no one decent in Tempus

>>38702759
Minase Rio from Uproar can play P4 Golden on stream

>>38704448
reminds me of this

>>38710411
EN, JP and Stars all have their own perms they have to get because Atlus is retarded

The amount of people on here that have no clue how anything works is astounding

>>38700004
>newfriend too new to remember the HOLOcaust
grim

>>38710500
Reminds me of this >>38704567

>>38699018
>No more vespboner, grass knot, and electro balls
PAIN

>>38709911
>those who can't remember the past are doomed to repeat it
Why are they so retarded?

>>38700760
No it was an actual thing. A lot of the newer fans don't know about it, but they call it the holocaust.
It literally could have taken down all of the holo youtube channels just because of Capcom chimping out over nothing.
Japanese company, please understand.
They are the people who freaked out because of game rentals and lost every fucking lawsuit they dished out.

>>38702048
Are you 15 and just had your first elective in sociology? The terms of service, which you accept upon purchase of a product, defines what is and isn't piracy (according to the publisher or rights-holders). Fair use only takes you that far, is only in the U.S., and a Cover as a company can't use it.
Most publishers are positive to streamers and the like, but all it takes is one to be retarded for a holos whole channel to be permanently deleted by Youtube.

>>38711407
It's management being incompetent as always. There's a reason why Vesper blew his gasket at them. Anyone who knows anything about holo management knows that Vesper was in the right.

>>38705783
>Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Nonbinary identity is real.
t. Burgers in control of NHL
>Male domination and concussed female player
t. Nature
Yet people are somehow surprised that HoloBurger is dying. kek

>>38710411
JP and EN perms are different. Remember Axel had Dragon Quest on his schedule during debut week but had to change it? Apparently EN doesn't have blanket Square Enix perms like JP seems to because JP plays Dragon Quest all the time.

>>38711455
t. omegalul
it's also on the guys

>>38699018

I hate how Nijiniggers are free with Nintendo perms but Holo always get the end of the stick

>>38711523
dragon quest is such an ugly ass game too. It needs a better character designer.

>>38700760
Oh you innocent newfag, if only you knew how bad things really were

>>38711602
Niji is better at getting perms AND their members are allowed to turn off monetization for streams they don't get perms for.
Hololive never letting people turn off the SC button is retarded

>>38711664
Don't Vox and some thers monetise Elden Ring?

>>38711655
Whats worse is that people are pretending that it didn't happen out of fear.

>>38707559

>>38711655
>Miko 58/860
jesas

>>38711740
See >>38711407

>>38711655
Watachads and Towachads won

>>38702526
Let's plays are a legal grey area. There has yet to be a court case that gives a blanket ruling of them being fair use.

>>38711906
Fair use is also not a universal agreement. It exists in many countries but what it covers and entails varies between them.

>>38711707
I think it was Luca.

>>38706977
Whatever happened to lurk moar?

>>38711819
Miko is still missing almost every single video she did before joining Hololive. And even then is still missing like the first 7 or 8 months of streams after that.

How is he there for months and still fucking up

>>38703300
>streaming literal porn during a Splatoon game
She was asking for it.

>>38701287
There's a reason vshitjo is so adamant about their status.
>we're not a company btw don't google it you just have to believe it

>>38713897
In the case of the west it'll inevitably end up in a UK or US court.
Where they're pretty lenient in the case of fair use.
Arguably these do not count. But it's going to open up such a can of worms and so many other interests are going to pile in on both sides, the video game producers have concluded it's not worth the effort.

>>38699018
>guy's

>>38715751
EFL-but-not-at-home, although some native speakers fuck up with your/you're/you'r(wtf?)

>>38715856
yeah, thats a textbook native mistake, esl's never do that, but sometime's it rub's of on them

>>38701295
Fucking holobeggars kek
>WH-WHY DONT YOU KNOW EVERY STEP OF MY BORING WHORE STREAMER!!

>>38711812
6 million combined views deleted? It just seems to high...

>>38716841
Even after one video's views were lowered from 4 million to 1.1 million the total has remained 6 million views. Weird :/

>>38701778
MIOSHA

>>38711664
So, according with the japanese law, holopro could stream anything they want as long as you don't make money out of it?

>>38717873
No. Sometimes companies have blanket approval for non-monetised stream, but a lack of written approval doesn't mean that anyone can stream it for free.
Nijis are just more daring than holos, and it has worked out for them. They've never been close to having one of their streamers be permanently banned, though.

>>38711664
>Hololive never letting people turn off the SC button
why are you lying ?

>>38711655
>Subaru's manager panic deleting her vods instead of privating them
FF6 bros...

>>38718689
Good thing we have archive bros at least
>【FF6】初見実況!人生初FFシリーズ!たのしむぞ!!【ホロライブ/大空スバル】 | 2020-04-18 12:00:56 | 4:21:17 | 1.09 GB | W8M8C3i3GzY
>【FF6】初見実況!人生初FFシリーズ!2日目【ホロライブ/大空スバル】 | 2020-04-19 12:01:06 | 4:17:59 | 1.10 GB | Ss0SKcEhifc
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For all of you that think permissions boogeyman isn't real.
A couple months ago a JP holostar had their stream taken down.
Once it was revealed they had permissions the company that struck them had to make a formal public apology when they learned they had done it by mistake.

>>38702941
free advertisement is disrespectful against their people working hard in marketing.

>>38700004
Japanese people aren't as smart as you've been led to believe. They prefer petty spite to making money.

>>38719561
So they're retards, but at least they're retards with integrity.

WHAT THE FUCK IS "DANGEROUS MARINE SMELL"????

>>38700004
Capcom almost got Mio's channel permanently banned and basically held Cover at gunpoint since they didn't get their permissions.
Depending on how the channels were structured all of Hololive could have been permanently banned.

>>38724226
Cover is an arcane enough company that they might be including some ominous financial damages clause in the permissions contract. If true Devs and Producers need to get their lawyers involved to make sure they're not signing away something they shouldn't. It might actually cost companies money in lawyers fees to give Hololive permissions.

>>38725602
>Mio almost got killed for playing Ghost Trick
>Since then she barely plays anything because of her PTSD
>Thanks to Capcom we will never, ever, wake up again and find Mr.Koro about to stream the Pepsiman game just because she found the CD laying around

2view indie CHVDS can play any game they want. It's not fair bros.

>>38699018
See what I mean? An unironic retard but that's what makes him cool

>>38719561
Is this about Anonymous;Code? It's specially funny because the own creator of the series was the one who filled the copyright strike

>>38719561
It was the CEO/Executive that went rogue without checking in with his fucking employees too.
Issued a non-apology too after he was gloating and laughing on twitter for doing it.
This wasn't even the norm on that end of the spectrum either, its usual some lower level dude that does it.

Why doesn't Holo just set up a shell company in the US or wherever and operate out of there?

Also in regards to Axel. He had mentioned that he was supposed to get extra permissions to play certain games when he was in JP per his manager. It was in one of the Apex training streams he did with RPR. Sounds like this is more of management's fault because it seemed pretty weird that suddenly being in Japan he could get more perms when not even Mori got that special treatment and she is a temporary resident.

>>38726684
Because they don't need to. They can get all the permissions for the FOTM games they want, and that's more than enough.

Could they really have deleted 6 million videos in the time allotted? I dont believe it

>>38726978
retardchama...

>>38726684
because that doesn't prevent them from getting copystriked, it just means they can take them to court in america. And, you know, good luck suing nintendo

>>38727124
You are the retard for not following the joke.

As this thread sinks, I must say it completely baffles me how Pokemon is the only Nintendo series with this weird permissions problem. Every other game is a-ok but not Pokemon? TPC, Game Freak, Someone, get it the hell together.

Reminder, you still need actual written permission addressing the parties allowed to stream.
Something like pic related is still not enough, he still went out and issued a copystrike against the largest youtube channel for playing the game.

>>38727889
Have you seen the games they make?
They couldn't make it more clear what sort of menhera shitters they are.

>>38727837
am 'tistic

>>38700004
One dev literally copystriked Rio's channel even though he had perms on the grounds that he 'played more than was allowed', so yes, japanese copyright laws are retarded