/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>3827301
Nijibros I thought we said we didn't care about that..

Nijibros, the merch sales....

>>3827301
Those viewership numbers are Anya/Iofi tier. I though she was one of the flagship Nijis. Whats up with that Nijiniggers? Why are people moving away from Nijisanji?

>>3827398
>>3827435
>>3827301
Himawari is one that has the most merchandise sold out there so I doubt she really is affected by any of that. Hima also never had big superchat anyway.

>>3827447
hima and a few others did a "which niji males would you date" stream and the numbers plummeted.

seethe

>>3827447
Hima is one of the highest subs but not one of the biggest liver viewers.

>>3827499
I thought nobody cared about that stuff in niji?
was it really that bad?

>>3827682
Anon it's the same always, no one cares until it happens.

>>3827301
yet her numbers explode when she collabs with Kuzuha and Yashiro. Not that shitposter-chama would know...

they're all watching the cute nijimales now, so they abandoned the girl.

>>3827747
>her numbers explode when someone more popular comes on
I wonder why

>>3827499
is this legit or is a rrat?? kek

>>3827747
Isn't that more because of Kuzuha and Yashiro and not because of Hiwamari being the draw. The fans of those 2 aren't there for Himawari in the first place.

>>3827682
no one cares unless money is involved.
thats why viewership seems normal but superchat went down the drain.

>>3827301
Now I wonder, how were her numbers before? It can't be that bad, and what happened to the peko collab?

>>3827830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndaQuGpGtv0

Why is the sunflower so detested by Japan now?

>>3827499
why would they even think this is a good idea?

>>3830413
She took the "niji viewers are okay with male collabs" pill

>>3827830
No one watching Niji posts outside the Niji threads. If you want to know go ask in one of those.

i guess nijiEN make the correct decision releasing gen 1 without male in it.

>>3827499
Not the best idea considering how sensitive modern “males” are.

>>3831289
back then the males would just beat the shit out of nonvirgin sluts.

>>3831325
you can't do this through the internet, internet was a mistake.

Why would you lie like this?
Original "who you would date" stream is from April 10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s6gfvO9jj8&t=0s while your numbers are 20 days after. She even made $500 today https://playboard.co/en/channel/UC0g1AE0DOjBYnLhkgoRWN1w/superchat which is 54,000yen

Around this time last year Himawari was getting ~9,000 average on peak viewers per stream, now she gets ~3,000 average.

I get that nobody wants to admit that Mansanji is a thing, but the evidence is hard to dismiss.

Hima, 1 year ago @ ~9k, now ~3k.
Shiina, 2 years ago @ ~9k, now ~4k.
Sasaki, 1 year ago @~14k, now ~7k.

Alternatively you could reason out that there are more alternatives to watch for former fans of the three. Also, a counter argument would be Rindou Mikoto being basically the same as always, even after her and Kuzuha being a thing came to light. Mikoto never really had gachikois anyway, I'd argue, since she didn't stream much anyway.

Once upon a time we had a god tier site for numberfags called mamedaifuku.sakura.ne.jp, however the admin killed it probably out of diminished interest. If that site was still around we'd get a better look at how things have changed for Nijisanji through the years.

>>3831535
>why would shitposter-kun spread lies?
It's a mystery.

>>3831638
>>3831535

>>3831603

It's true, Hima's numbers went to shit recently, but I dunno if it was that. The stream doesn't have many dislikes: >>3831535
She also only gave mostly joke answers, like dating Belmond because he can do a Solid Snake impression.

>>3827728
Absolutely this. 'I don't care if they collab with male, but I'll stop supporting them if they do'.

>>3827594
>lolicon has the highest average views
based

>>3831733
Hasn't she always been collabing with males? Why would it change now?

She needs to talk about how chubby she is more often and I'll support her.

>>3827499
Biggest issue is not all males have good attitude-reputation. There are pseudo couples because and it sell because there seems to be chemistry. But, in these adult talk occasions their approach is always around one-night stand scenarios and banter between girls that often end up addressing the gachikoi problem, which ends in passive aggressive insult towards viewers.

>>3827301
Himawari frustrates me so much, I've never seen a 10/10 design with a 0/10 voice before

I don't think the number drop was recent enough to tie it into this stream, and as >>3831799 says, the joke answers wouldn't really be taken badly. This thread is just an attempt to make it look like nijifans actually care aboutguy collabs, but it really doesn't seem true to me. Sasaki recently collabed with Mashiro and another guy and played monster hunter; doubt that affected any numbers

If you seriously think male collabs doesn't hurt the numbers then you're either misinformed or being in massive denial.
Even anti-unicorn people knows this.

>>3832031
stuff like this don't usually happen over night, most viewers probably waiting until there's another alternative to finally move on. resulting in a slow decline.

>>3832225
It can't purely be collabs with guys. The three listed in >>3831603 have collabed with guys many times over the years (at least sasaki and himawari; don't know much about shiina) and their numbers remained high all the while. There would have to be some reason given as to why male collabs of over the past year are any different and why these are somehow affecting the numbers as you're claiming

>>3832362
>>3832276

>>3831603
Yeah I remember when gamer as a whole was shitting on everyone. Nowadays people just watch Hololive if they want to watch female vtubers.

>>3831603
They barely stream these days so it might be it.

>>3832362
why are you even replying to this guy this is such bad bait.

>>3832276
I don't think anyone watches just to wait until the next chuuba comes around. People might lose interest over time and that might cause a decline, but somehow linking that decline to male collabs is a tall order, I think. There are just too many factors at play. Could be that older viewers just left entirely and the new ones just didn't like himawari or sasaki, though there'd be no way to confirm that without more data from somewhere

>>3831997
Her voice is delicious wtf are you saying.

>>3832416
Anon, there were always alternatives.

>>3832459
There's a reason interest in hololive keeps increasing and interest in niji females keeps decreasing.

>>3831603
Isn't part of this also because of the December Youtube changes?

Her 1 month break during the new years probably has something to do with it.

>>3832538
And it could be because of male collabs. DIdn't say the anons arguing that male collabs are to blame are necessarily wrong, just that I don't see a link from any data presented. Personally, I don't really care about male collabs, but maybe others have started to

>>3832548
Not really, no. If you are referring to the whole adblocker not counting for live views thing. The Japanese are far less likely to use ad block, and got a much smaller hit from that change. In fact it was a running joke/rrat on 5ch for a couple months that Hololive was botting views, hence why only Hololive got hit so hard.

>>3832479
Interest doesn't just drop overnight as that anon said.
For example, I used to watch Mirai Akari every time she uploads a new video, i just gradually watch less and less of her until I stopped completely.

>>3832479
this is not true, currently there's no alternative to hololive EN

>>3832477
She sounds like a grandma

>>3832659
Nijisanji EN

>>3832548
Japan is #2 for least adblock usage. South Korea being #1
It’s why JP streamers with EOP outreach got hit the least.

>>3832721
Without EOP outreach*

>>3832622
>Personally, I don't really care about male collabs
not him but i care i about male collab because it ruined my oshi's number

>>3832696
Anon, I really like nijisanji, but even I have to say that nijiEN is really not that viable an alternative to holoEN

>>3832659
Don't Vshojo members collab with guys? They've experience a boom in popularity recently while HoloEN has started to stagnate.

>>3832654
What's your point?

>>3832793
I meant personally; a male collab ruining the numbers does suck, however

>>3832893
My point was that even if there were always alternative. I wouldn't just drop Mirai Akari overnight. I would watch her along with the alternative, at least for a while, before I completely drop her.

>>3831070
>No one watches Niji
There, I fixed your statement.

>>3832893
Almost all vshojo viewers are people who already watch them before becoming chuubas

I'm not sure if it's because of males but some Nijis' views have really gone to shit lately, just look at Ars. Maybe everyone's just watching Hololive now

>>3833119
That doesn't explain the boom in popularity recently.

>>3833344
Yeah, it could be that people have just been losing interest in niji overall recently

>>3832721
I thought we already had posters in previous numberthreads showing that adblock has nothing to do with the changes though?

>>3831603
Mansanji is absolutely a thing and it's quite amazing to see how irrelevant the female streamers in Nijisanji have become. If you want to watch female vtubers you pretty much have to watch Hololive because Niji has been completely taken over by the males.

>>3833344
I would bet that there is a not insignificant portion of the Nijisanji fanbase that watched the cute anime girl vtubers as Niji was rising and establishing themselves. However, after the males became more and more prominent to the point where they are the focus of Nijisanji now the people who liked the cute anime girls probably moved over to watching Hololive.

Holomems don't collab with male and they're growing like crazy. Most people thought they're 'okay' with their V imaginary girlfriends talking with or about male, but at some point they realized that they can't take it if their V imaginaty girlfriends can't stop mentioning male. So they just dropped them to watch Hololive instead because Holomems 'no male' stances are pretty clear.

>>3833424
yes it does

>>3833460
I would be curious to see it, because sometimes I watch indies who only get a handful of viewers and I can confirm my view doesn't count. Maybe I should try testing with and without adblock, been a long time since I disabled it.

>>3833781
How?

>>3832893
vshojo from the very beginning doesn't hide what they get horny over. For all /vt/ shits on vshojo for being whores their fanbase doesn't care when they collab with guys because there's no delusions about what they want.

>>3833996
Correct. They've always done this, same as Niji members. But the Vshoujo are experiencing more growth than HoloEN currently. However NIji members seem to be declining for some reason.

>>3831603
I don't know if it's important or not, but I have a JSON cache of data from that site as of 2019-07-05. It contains superchat data and I'm assuming "viewCount" is the simultaneous viewers
https://mega.nz/file/L8kWgRDI#bX8UTDKgHf1p82YXInpFVt3qESGrAOiHuqCJMp-CDx4

>>3833119
what? ironmouse, zen, and melody were never not vtubers. melody was probably a camwhore but that's not building a normal streaming audience. I don't know if silver was though.

>>3831603
>Shiina, 2 years ago @ ~9k
Why 2 years ago?

>>3833845
people with years of experience streaming become chuubas and appeals to weeb coomers, also people jumping to the boat thinking they just started doing this for less than a year

>>3834707
She made gachikois salty much faster than the other two (boyfriend leak), I could have left her out but it felt disingenuous when all 3 of them were considered highest tier at one point

>>3834488
>what? ironmouse, zen, and melody were never not vtubers
I never said they were chuubas I said they were streamers
>melody was probably a camwhore but that's not building a normal streaming audience
clearly it does

>>3834832
So compare to Hololive EN. Do you think that EN will get another boost from people shifting from Vshoujo? Because now, it seems that it's going the other way,

>>3834365
You know what, I might just try rebuilding it. Thanks for the data, anon. I really miss that site.

>>3834989
EOPs are jumping to niji en now, then they will jump to Vsinger and so on until the vtuber bubble explodes in the west

>>3835037
A ranking of the most superchatted streams at the time based on that data.
https://774.neocities.org/supa.htm

>>3832893
>while HoloEN has started to stagnate.
>>3835082
>EOPs are jumping to niji en now
I feel you both are just talking out your asses
HoloEN has basically been experiencing non-stop growth
EOPs aren't jumping ship to NijiEN mostly due to the fact that Nijisanji has almost no western presence, they face an up hill climb
Vshojo is inclining because they basically exist unchallenged on twitch because no other corporates/coalition is on their level
Not mention they've been getting cozy with Ai and Nijisanji which is good for publicity, and not to mention that twitch is the hub for western streaming, nobody besides nips or people who have been off twitch use youtube to stream

>>3833675
I dunno why this was a surprise, retards in denial perhaps?
Just compare it to anime or something, nobody wants the heroine to be out riding every dude she comes across.
Reminds me of shit like the Sacred Blacksmith drama.

Sure there's being some overly autistic stalker about it, but the truth is men just don't like seeing women they like with other guys in a sexual light. I swear faggots sound like those male feminist creeps when they try to pretend they're an "ally", "support their autonomy" or some weird shit.

>>3831987
wait, are you saying that the girls face repercussions if they insult their loyal fans?

>>3831938
Because the anon is pushing a narrative and it’s fucking tiring.

>>3831289
You might have a leg to stand on if they weren't completely financially beholden to those men.

I don't know about Vshojo numbers to say that they are inclining. Can someone share what is their average live viewers now compared to what it was before 2021?

>Defending Schizo retards that can't handle the sight of a male
You shouldn't be proud that your a r9kfag. all of you are no better then the chinese.

>>3836176
what's the drama with Sacred Blacksmith?

>>3827301
>Reminder what collabing with males will do to your earnings.
Vtubing audience is mostly male those who deny it always end up suffering. The only exceptions are those with godlike charisma. Most people don't have strong charisma.

>>3827514
thats some good merch

just unfollowed and unsubscribed from an indie who streamed with her boyfriend

>>3836683
give me the link, i love ntr

Why does this board defend Vtubers that do GFE and don't collab with men because their scared of losing money? Your all getting fucking milked by women so you can live in your pathetic delusions.

>>3836967
im enjoying my GFE while also never donating to them, best of both world.

>>3836773
whale girl

>>3836516
Light hearted moe shit, then the author had the main heroine raped for no good reason, fans went full fucking schizo (nip style) and the whole volume had to be rewrote and the anime changed.
A more recent example would be Gal Cleaning where upon the manga being axed he wrote a rape scene for one of the final chapters forever blacklisting himself.
In short, just don't. People don't mind shit like Tamaki getting married but the flirting and sex( with randoms or coworkers) is just inherently off-putting to most people, even if they pretend otherwise.

>>3836967
It's just the way it is. We are seeing from the rapidly declining viewership of Niji females that even the Niji fanbase doesn't like it when males and females mix. The traditional Otaku is leaving Nijisanji while the Fujos are taking over which is why the males dominate Niji now. The Otaku has moved over to Hololive.

>>3836967
>You are being milked by ASMRtists, they aren't actually cutting your hair.
This is how you sound.

Okay, is something happening in japan? Just looked to 5ch and japs seems concerned around Nijisanji itself, not some vtubers. Or is that their normal threads?

>>3836967
Personally I don't care that deeply about it, I'm just a huge numberfag is all. I've had the same oshi for years (Nobuhime/Polka) and have no delusions. Honestly I was hoping the introduction of HoloEN would gradually exterminate the unicorn race, and maybe it is, ever so slowly.

Mansanji is 100% real though, numbers don't lie.

>>3837610
Must be why their birthrate is dropping if they're that sensitive to other males even just appearing

>>3837899
It's the same way everywhere not just Japan.

>>3837685
Pretty normal I'd say. Right now, hot topics are: Lulu possibly retiring next month, Ichikara with the goofy name change, usual arguments over whether Apex is boring as shit or not, and the usual doomposting over Nijisanji losing numbers. Japs love doomposting.

>>3837821
>Honestly I was hoping the introduction of HoloEN would gradually exterminate the unicorn race, and maybe it is, ever so slowly.
I feel like it only got worse.

>>3837586
This reminds me of Kannagi drama

>>3838141
>Lulu getting into Hololive Gen 6
It's happening

>>3838141
So what’s their reason for Nijisanji losing numbers. Also why the graduation rrat.

>>3838141
Finally.
HOLOLIVE FOR WORLD DOMINATION

>>3838402
Lulu's contract ends next month, and recently announced her radio show with Lize is ending next month.

Nijisanji losing numbers isn't anything big honestly, numbers fluctuate all the time. 2020-21 has been an awakening for the retards who constantly made fun of Hololive's numbers back in 2018-19, though.

reading this thread makes me worry for nijiEN now, what will happen to them when gen 2 debut and it has male in it, will hololive mog them even harder? is there even anything that can compete with hololive at this point? from the look of it hololive are destined to dominate the vtubing market for decades to come...

>>3838537
Rip; should I start archiving before Lulu is gone then?

>>3827461
Show the receipts or shut up.

>>3838601
>decades
LOL

I get what you are saying though. Hololive is certainly in a very strong position right now.

>>3838478
tribalfags go to the ropes.

>>3838402
they aren't losing numbers. Compare nijisanji to the overall industry to see.

>>3838627
Honestly I'm not convinced its gonna happen, but the Japs have always sorta doomposted the possibility since she has health problems and a real job. She might renew the contract and just doesn't want to continue the radio show.

>>3838601
Maybe I just want to believe, but if the next gen isn't as cringey as this one, perhaps NijiEn will start doing better. I honestly don't want Niji to go away, though from all the doomposting going on in this thread, I'm getting a little scared

>>3838719
You really never know. Was there ever an indication that Otogibara was going to retire? All of a sudden I heard she retired (a day or so after it happened maybe). She streamed less last year, but I don't think anything indicated she was going to retire

>>3838141
>Lulu possibly retiring next month,
WHAT?

>>3838729
Niji won't be going away anytime soon, that is some crazy doomposting right there, lol. What is happening is that Hololive is cementing itself as the clear industry leader.

>>3838879
She sees the trend in Nijisanji of the females declining and the males dominating and wants to get into Hololive since females do a lot better there.

>>3838719
And what will happen when somebody from hololive retires? will people actually rope? Its a dangerous combination because they have nothing going on in their lives combined with the parasocial relationship

>>3838814
Gibba retiring was pretty likely actually. She was super popular and had a ton of momentum, but then she suddenly stopped publicly streaming for over six months and only streamed to members. It was clear a little before that she was getting fed up with her fans, the memes, etc. and that her heart wasn't in it anymore

>>3827499
fucking hell, what sort of cuck watches these girls

>>3838883
Maybe not entirely, but I wouldn't want them to shift away from what they're doing either. Even if it will happen eventually regardless of their
performance, I don't want things to get bad enough that main nijisanji members retire because of it and I certainly don't want niji to become some idol place

>>3838932
So she's selling out is what your saying

>>3838814
I think the greatest indicators were decreased streaming time and the member-limited streams, both are indications of low motivation. Plus, and this is kinda rrat territory, but ever since a certain GTA 5 stream there has been a narrative on 5ch that she was growing to hate her fan base over time. I think it is a bit of a stretch, low motivation is reason enough.

Isn't Hima a fucking ugly whale?

>>3838814
The sign is there. Stream less, long hiatus, only mengen stream.

>>3838972
Yeah I did see that she had a ton of member streams (sometimes long ones) while she had nothing going on for non-members. I'm not informed on her being fed-up with things, though that might be the case. Maybe the likeliness was there and I just didn't see it

>>3838932
this make sense somehow... considering lulu is one of niji livers that pander to GFE, hololive would suite her well.

>>3838962
>What will happen when somebody from Hololive retires
I'm actually very interested in this. Hololive has not seen any major retirements (Aloe doesn't count since she only streamed like once). I don't personally want any of them to retire but I would be very interested to see the overall reaction to somebody like Marine, Miko, or Pekora retiring.

>>3827461
>Hima also never had big superchat anyway.
????
She was #8 top earner in 2019

>>3839020
That guy is just making things up
>>3839092
>>3839105
Yeah, like I said. Maybe I just didn't see the signs for what they were. It's a shame she isn't here anymore, but if she's not motivated then there's not much to be done about to.
Also, I saw somewhere that there was such a rrat, but I haven't seen anything to really prove it

>>3838932
>>3839189
Lulu won't join a company for people who failed to get into idolshit. She'll just go back to being an actual idol if she leaves Niji.

>>3839220
I wouldn't be suprised if people actually rope. I mean look at how schizo and dedicated people are in the hololive global and hololive Jp thread

>>3838962
there have been topics about it on 5ch, most say that if their favorite member quits (for good, not just reincarnation) then they will stop watching VTubers forever, or just stop watching Hololive. Oddly enough I don't recall any of them mentioning suicide, but it wouldn't surprise me since mental illness is kinda rampant in this hobby.

>>3839096
That's Panda

>>3839408
That's interesting so if one of them does graduate it will have a effect on the whole company then. I wouldn't really call people who say that fan of vtubers as a whole either. Could have a pretty bad effect in the long run.

>>3827728
>>3831873
You gotta understand that most vtubers make money from a minority of their viewership, with most viewers just watching for free.
The people that say they don't care probably mean it, and just keep watching, but they're not the ones dropping akasupas every stream. It's always some dedicated gachis that're lost when this stuff happens

>>3838962
Didn't Korone recently say that something happened which almost made her retire? Didn't really say what it was that happened, though

Is there a known, specific date for the end of Lulu's contract, or do we just know that it's next month?

Holofan here: Nijisanji is fine, find something else to obsess with. They're still making good money and most of the heavy hitters are as good as ever. Lulu won't leave you mentally ill faggots, you say this shit all the time.

>>3840195
The theory is between 6/24 and 6/29, which is her birthday and 2 months after her debut date.

>>3838814
They announced that the radio shows that have Gibara in it is going to do the final episode. Then she did the outfit reveal stream, then graduation stream. Lulu is at the 'new outfit stream' step right now.

>>3840533
I see. Thanks anon

>>3840702
Yeah, it was weird to me that she retired not too long after she got a new outfit. I hope this doesn't happen to Lulu

>>3840532
man you havent seen rats until you dwell into 5ch niji threads.

>>3840868
>schizos making shit up
Well no shit. Japs have the worst schizos out there. It's all horseshit, Nijisanji is fine. I don't watch Nijisanji since it isn't my style but from an outsider's perspective everything looks good.

>>3827682
maybe vt fags dont care, but you cant say the same about JP viewer

>>3837899
It's the same shit in the west. Pokimane took a hit from something akin to that, vshojo has had its growth ground down to a trickle by it(among other factors), and other prominent female e-celebs almost always suffer when this kinda shit happens(remember the Ok Boomer girl)

I know this board will always hate it when its said, but the fact that some girls can lose 30% or more of their viewership and much more of their income when they begin to bring men into it.
It is just how a significant contingent of the male audience of streaming is in general. The ones that wouldn't freak out are probably watching dudes stream.
Guys that watch women for reasons unrelated to feeling a sense of intimacy are...rare. Because the truth is, male streamers really ARE better at content than women. I don't think this has to do with gender differences, honestly. It's just the way the chips have fallen in this medium.
Ignoring it because it seems morally reprehensible to you doesn't make the truth go away. It just makes you kinda retarded for refusing to face facts.

>>3838932
kek, I can only imagine how Lulu would fare going to Hololive given that she joined Niji because she got tired of idol shit
If the girl tired of being an idol still attracts the most unicorns in her non-idol chuuba company, she'll fucking hate Hololive

>>3827301
Of all the Nijis you hadve to use to shipost, it had to be Hima...

>>3827499
unicorns win again

>>3831289
>sensitive
>modern males
You're shitposting, right?
Go to the place with less-modern males in the world, like the Middle East, and tell me how successful being an open unapologetic whore works out.
Seriously, male insecurity about sex is built in
OUR DICK HAVE A PLUNGER, MAN
WE DEVELOPED A PLUNGER
ON OUR DICKS
TO SCOOP OUT MALE SEMEN
DO YOU KNOW THAT DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAPPEN MUCH, BY THE WAY?
THE ACTUAL REPRODUCTIVE BENEFITS OF HAVING A FUCKING PLUNGE
ON OUR DICKS
TO SCOOP OUT OTHER DUDES SEMEN WHEN WE FUCKED WOMEN
IS LITERALLY PROVEN TO HAVE SUCH A MINISCULE EFFECT ON RATES OF REPRODUCTION
ITS STATISTICALLY BARELY ABOVE A PLACEBO
BUT WE STILL
HAVE PLUNGERS
ON OUR DICKS
OUR LITERAL BIOLOGICAL ANATOMY
IS INSECURE
ABOUT OUR SEXUALITY
ABOUT BEING KEKED
STOP PRETENDING ITS NEW
STOP PRETENDING ITS WEIRD
STOP PRETENDING ITS NOT NORMAL
WE HAVE PLUNGERS
ON
OUR
FUCKING
DICKS

>>3832422
holo liver!?

>>3827301
Sure, let's ignore the merch sales while we're at it.
>but m-muh merch!
Merch guarantees revenue. Views don't, unless they're insanely big (especially vod views). Plus, imagine dividing your revenue between the govt., YT, the company, then the chuuba. At least with merchs, you cut one of the above off from the equation, guaranteeing a bigger cut.
Not to mention sponsorships, but that's an entirely different topic altogether.

>>3848345
I’m not ignoring it. I’m just sick of people trying to defend this behavior or trying to treat it like it’s a normal thing to do.

>>3839252
lool playboard, how do they even got YT's permission to get the data...

>>3848527
Good point Anon. Would you say Niji makes high quality merch? Those rings looked pretty classy

>>3838962
It's very judgmental of you to assume someone who participates in a parasocial relationship has nothing else going for them in their live.

>>3848536
You're not the arbiter of morality, anon.
You don't get to decide what behavior from others is good or bad.
You aren't divinely ordained to tell other people off for doing stuff you don't like.
Your opinion is not any more or less correct than other peoples.
You aren't entitled to directing the overall narrative or perception of something.
You don't have a larger stake or a deeper understanding than thousands of other people.
You don't come at this from a "better" perspective, just your perspective, and the perspective of whichever circles you come from.
Your culture is just one, and not in any way superior to any other.
Your decisions are just yours, and not the desired choices by some bizarre sense of objective morality.
Your viewpoints are not any less or more socially well-adjusted, since society is not one unified whole, and what is socially acceptable to you may be unacceptable elsewhere.

You are not the morality police, anon. And you never will be. If you do not want to deal with a behavior, do not involve yourself with the people who engage in it.
Everybody in Nijisanji was well enough aware about gachikoi to meme and joke about it for years and years now. To make a joke about something, you have to acknowledge the reality of its existence. And yet, these entertainers chose to engage with a fanbase that they KNEW had these types of people present.
You are not entitled to expect people to change for your sake or anybody else.
This is the real world. Accept it, or don't. But it will not stop for you. And no matter how much you will claim otherwise, your expectation that it does is juvenile and petulant.

>>3848702
Well I mean yes your correct. But I’m not going to be silent on something I think is wrong. Gachikoi are also neither right or wrong it’s all opinion. They are also not the arbiter of morality either.

>>3848702
Based post

>>3834840
Shiina had a boyfriend leak?

>>3834309
>Vshoujo are experiencing more growth than HoloEN currently
is this a new delusion from whore lover?

>>3848679
The "quality" depends. The stuff can range from the hughest quality voice pack (Mayuyu) to a simple liquor bottle with the chuubas figure pasted on it (Rindou).
In the end, when it comes to merch and Nip autism, quality doesn't matter since buying merch is a way to support the chuuba.

>>3848866
Yes, it was exposed on her trip to hawaii with korone

>>3848786
>Gachikoi are neither right or wrong
Gachikoi are not trying to change you. This is a false equivalence. Active offense is a different beast, regardless of morality, than being a passive participant of something that simply refuses to change who they are. You leaving to places where your preferred culture is readily present and available is something you can choose, but instead you choose to take spaces with cultures you disapprove of and actively try and change them to try and eradicate a culture.
You are an aggressor. Is that truly what you think is justified from your perspective? Active prosletyzation?
>I'm not going to be silent
Then you have decided to assume the role of the morality police, despite having no claim to it, and acknowledging as such. You are acting out as something you know is a lie.

You are both an aggressor and a liar. These are the roles you have decided to assume, for the sake of denying others the ability to act as they see fit, even as your freedom is not attacked as such.
Your opinion of yourself is unhealthy.
Your ego needs to be kept in check.

>>3848786
You are one of the main reasons the world is going down the shitter recently.
Just wanted to let you know that planet earth would be a better, happier and healthier place without you and your ilk.
The road to hell has always been paved with good intentions.

>>3849056
Finally someone who understands.

>>3849056
Only because I see people like you doing the same thing with groups like Vshoujo. That’s all

Bros, I will confess. I can handle any girl interacting with any guy on stream and any level of flirting. I will watch the girl just fine with no worry, I hold nothing against her in how she wishes to entertain me and others. I am fine with guys in general. Unless it is my oshi, then all of that goes out the window and I become the most pathetic unicorn in existence.

>>3827594
>mother has been surpassed
mitobros...

>>3849211
If not for Kiara, the hololive fanbase on this board wouldn't even be talking about VShojo.
They can do their own thing, within their own twitch bubble. You don't see many people invading their chats and saying "be more seiso you whores lol" do you?
Some fans are worried about the influence the western vtuber scene has on the HoloENs policies. We know they all talk with each other.

>>3839641
huh, that's a really interesting way of analyzing it that I never thought of. good post, anon.

>>3849211
In which case, from my perspective they are wrong too, and give them all the shit you can with my regards. From my perspective, I believe we all have the right to be able to aggregating according to like-mindedness.
I will always be more than happy to call a person who complains about vshojo not acting like idols as a complete retard who didn't do their research, and I can't imagine anybody reacting any other way. It's a bit mind-boggling.
All the best.

>>3849254
The child should always surpass the parents.
Mito must be proud.

>>3838537
I didn't know Niggeesanji had contract expiry, can't they renew that shit like in the entertainment industry/tv stations?

Or is there a viable reason as to why this has substantial bearing of coming true.?

>>3840805
A lot of chubas retire after getting a new live 2D or 3D, don't know why but is pretty common for some reason

>>3839641
You remind me of Alfred Riddle and Moona ark

>>3838729
I'm purely a holofag and shit on you nijiniggers all the time but believe me, NijiEN is here to stay with those numbers.

Unless one of them is a numberfag and can't take not catching up to HoloEN(impossible) or mind you, get overshadowed by their own NijiEN 2nd gen cuz it's the norm that the newer generations get more support.

>>3848416
She won't "fucking hate" Hololive after she sees how much more money she makes.

>>3827301
She's rich enough to make her own Hologra, supacha earnings is chump change

>>3849429
wtf they did an ARK collab before?

>>3849387
Nijisanji signs them on initial 2 year contract, then let's their streamers decide themselves if they would want to continue past the 2 years.

>>3836096

>>3839252
So was Mirei and she don't have even half of this.I also don't think those numbers are for the year but her totals in 2018-2019.

>>3848869

>>3849254
I don't think Mito is the highest with live viewers for a while.

>>3849238
Take care of yourself anon

>>3849512
I mean, I'm fairly sure she hates gachi behavior. And she already has plenty of doxx material out there of her already. Imagine how much more she'll be scrutinized if she abandons Nijisanji and joins Hololive. There will be people with bad blood on both sides who will salivate at every crumb for doxx info of her, constantly, to try and undermine her.
I don't think Lulu is comfortable living her actual, IRL life acclimated to gachi desires. She won't be able to have a romantic life at all, a small slip-up of any kind and you can bet your ass everybody and their mother in this hobby will hear about it and kill off all of that "money". Moreover, there goes a lot of her "demon" RP shit that she does with chat, likely to be replaced by thousands of fans literally telling her they unironically love her, over and over and over, riding red superchats, that she'll have to accept with a smile and a positive idol attitude.

I just don't think Lulu is mentally the sort of person who could handle that when she clearly dislikes it. She's not THAT good of an actor, either. Few people are. Hell, the biggest hololive earners are either saviourfag central, or are girls that were mindbroken by their own GFE enough to actually buy into it themselves on and occasionally off stream. Lulu is too strong willed to be mindbroken in that way. She wouldn't have left idol stuff if she was strong enough.

>>3848536
Making fun of the unicorns or those people who pander to them doesn't make the method any less legit. Hololive will still be making bank and growing like crazy. The majority agree and support Hololive for what they are right now so you're just a hater if you make fun of them.
>>3848702
>Nijisanji was well enough aware about gachikoi to meme and joke about it for years and years now
And look at their pitiful state right now. No one cares about their 3D debut, no one cares about new outfit streams. Female nijis not doing well across the board, Kuzuha's Apex tournament stream lost to Hololive, it also got less viewers than another niji male playing Slither.io
Making fun of unicorns was a bad move. Stopped doing MireiRoa because they don't get along anymore irl was a big no-no. Kingyo's drama was the last nail to the coffin. Holomems are taking their jobs seriously while Nijis don't.

>>3849572
Wait, is that true?

>>3849387
Thanks, that's an ideal contract then, it makes sense. Youtubing, heck Vtubing even more is volatile, and poor vtubers if they're bound to Niji but the company is already upd8 tier of shitter? They'd be stuck in that contract.

2 years is a good lifespan for a streaming career under a company

>>3849648
Sometimes we have to go a little crazy to find out what we're made of.
Sometimes the crazy is what lets us feel alive.

>>3849689
This was meant for

>>3849572

>>3849684
>second response
Re-read my post and who I responded to, anon. I agree with you. I believe NijiSanji engaging with a culture the entertainers themselves are not a part of and, even worse, openly deride, was a massive mistake and this has been a problem in the making for a long time.

>>3849238
>Unless it is my oshi
Every girl is someone's oshi.

>>3849685
Not him but i think it's true with gibara as an example of the contract expiring and she's not extending it because she's tired of being a streamer.

>>3849684
What pitful state? Dude, look at the vtuber industry as a whole. This "pitful" state you talk about is much above the standard. Compare nijisanji with 774 vtubers, there's a huge difference in viewership where 80 of their jp talents have at least over 1k live viewers while only Patra and haneru reach over 1k.

>>3849685
Gibara letting her contract run out and graduating on her 2nd Anniversary is the biggest example, but it's something that had been publicly stated by Shibuya Hajime

>>3839641
>>3848345
>>3849684

Let's use Tokyo Ghoul as a lithmus test then, let's give maybe 6 or so months and see his number, especially in Supas.

That is after the Oni Milf rrat went wild. Let's see if the likes of Lamy catches up to him and he stagnates. (Unless the debuff to gachikois only works on the otakus and not the fujos)

>>3831289
>Not the best idea considering how sensitive modern “males” are.
What did he mean by this?

>>3849886
Probably the "SIMP!" Male retarded people labeled as those who jack of to e-thot and will dump them when they see sight of a man with her.

Yeah, exactly like Gachikois

>>3849862
>Unless the debuff to gachikois only works on the otakus and not the fujos
Almost certain this is the case. Tokyo ghoul is a bad pick. Needs to be a girl.

>>3836489
The "r9kfag" and the "chinese" are the one willing to pay and keep the industry going, you absolute fucking idiot

>>3850024
But anon... the girls are already debuffed as Tokyo Ghoul and Kanae are the only one who can compete with Hololive at the top

Can Hoshikawa count? She a JP prototype of whore though so people know what they're getting into with her.

>>3850036

no they are not, all of the chinks and r9kfags could dissapear tomorrow and korone or mito would still find a reason to stream tomorrow because they enjoy doing it.

>>3849684

>nijisanji is on a pitiful state

these holoretards are so drunk on power that they truly dont understand the whole picture, its the same as going to a chik n' filla, (2672 establishments) and trashing the tables screaming mcdonalds is the WINNER because they have 37,855 establishments, no one would care because chik n filla still provides good service to their established audience, no matter how smaller it is than macdonalds.

>>3850098
I mean, the fact that its near impossible to find a successful girl in Nijisanji who has active gachi sort of makes a statement in and of itself, desu. Regardless, If none such female chuuba exist in Niji then it may simply be impossible to use Niji to prove or disprove this point on accounting for those unique circumstances.

>>3850104
>korone
>happy about losing fans who love her the most
Critically retarded

>>3850337

I didnt say she would be happy about it, but that she would still find a reason to stream because that is what she has always done, even before she was part of hololive.

>>3850337

anon, there are vtubers streaming right now with 100 ~ 200 average viewers right now and have done it for years, what makes you believe korone would stop if she lost a couple thousands?

>>3850036
Yea sure you're right but they're both ticking time bombs that will drop whatever it is their supporting if they feel slighted. If you want a example look at what happened to Ollie. A literal tweet that was it and people lost their shit.

>>3850036

FBK told BOTH fanbases to fuck of and she seems to be doing fine

>>3827301
Explain the mutual boost Ebimaru got during their Minecraft phase in 2019.

You weren't even into vtubers back then, were you?

>>3850443
what about 6000 who spend at least 10000 yen

>>3838402
Apex and too much CR, most people end up watching the pros instead of nijis. Their biggest mainpoint is nijisanji collab/tournament internally not from outside.

>>3850588

anon, there are vtubers streaming right now with 100 ~ 200 average viewers right now and have done it for years, what makes you believe korone would stop if she lost 6000 who spend at least 10000 yen?

>>3850479
Counterpoint: Ollie is a fucking yabmachine and can't into professionalism.
Lamy and Rushia are doing fine and haven't been cancelled by their gachi so far.

>>3848702
Holy based and unironically redpilled

>>3851053
>Lamy and Rushia are doing fine and haven't been cancelled by their gachi so far.
Of course they're doing fine. Those two go to the opposite extreme and are so safe and tip-toey about avoiding controversy that they are effectively plastic figures in human form with zero depth. You can't get cancelled if you never do anything.

>>3850098
If we go by this, Lize and Mito are the ones who can reach this.

but the other girls are doing great for the major part.>>3827594

>>3851323
Wow, rude.
Lamy and Rushia are multifaceted characters in their own right.
I didn't put Ollies personhood into question, only her conduct.

>>3851323
>They're ticking timebombs!!!
>W-well they're playing it so safe! They don't DO anything!
Nigger, Rushia is making more donation money than any other vtuber on earth. That is literally a shining and objective endorsement of her strategy and content by the public.
If it "playing it safe" made the product she offered worse, she'd bleed viewers and/or supas.
Ollie came into a fucking idol company and yabs every time her ass itches. Of course people are going to bitch. It is literally doing your job poorly.
You're just wrong here, there's no need to argue endlessly about it.

Reminder you're in denial if you think the girl you like should interact with other men more than yourself.
Or you're a literal unironic cuck fetishist that is.

>>3851415
>>3851527
Thats always their main argument isnt it?
>Females not comfortable with male much less a collab with them?
Cowards
>Doing the type of stream that has been proven to be succesful and comfortable for the streamer?
No personality

Its almost like these kind of people are the one who never have female friend all their life that they cant understand

>>3851707
>Giving the customer what they ask of you is cowardly
Retard
>Doing what you're comfortable with means you have no personality
Make friends.

>>3851323
And it fucking works. They're filthy rich witb very peaceful fanbase. Any Nijis would probably kill to be in their position but they can't be loke those two because they just can't control themselves, they really have to interact with male on stream and twitter for whatever reason.

>>3852050
Maybe you should reread what you replied to

>>3852089
Oops.

>>3852066
But what they're doing is completely unethical. Lamy and Rushia perpetuate the illusion of innocence and celibacy to sell themselves to men, which forces an unfair standard on other female vtubers.
Their fanbase is only peaceful because they've bought into this patriarchal lie, meant to keep women being weak and subservient.

>>3852391
Not sure if you're baiting
I was in a relationship with an entirely innocent girl. Her purity was almost blinding. Best relationship I ever had. It ended because I wasn't pure enough, unlike her.
Such girls exist, but they are extremely rare. I wish there'd be more of the desu.
There are also pretty pure vtubers like Abigail for example.

>>3848517
lmfao i would tell you to take your meds but it would actually be better if you kill yourself

imagine being so illiterate about sex that you think semen just pools until the next guy "plunges" it out

Even if it worked that way it would have 0 effect on whether or not the woman got pregnant with the last guys semen retard

>>3852391
>traditional purity bad
kill yourself you sjw

>>3852483
it ended because you're a fucking pussy who cares about shit like purity and put the pussy on a pedestal.

>>3852562
Sure bud.

>>3852066
Do you know why Nijisanji do that? Back in early days of Nijisanji, Gibara got doxxed and stalked by a schizo fan. To combat that, they forced every women to collab with men to filter all gachikoi schizo from Nijisanji fanbase.

*invalidates your argument*

>hurr durr FBK would get more money if she acted like rushia

still more popular than countless vtuber females out there who try to act pure, keep seething purityretard, then again you judge the quality of vtubers based on how much money they get, so you are already intoxicated by retardation anyways.

>>3852716
exception does not make the norm
plus if you actually followed her you'd know that her earnings plus viewership actually did plummeted. guess why she's not #1 anymore.

>>3852391
>But what they're doing is completely unethical. Lamy and Rushia perpetuate the illusion of innocence and celibacy to sell themselves to men, which forces an unfair standard on other female vtubers
True. But that's what people want, they're willing to pay big money for it and it's not against the law

>>3852753

way to completely ignore everything I posted retard.

>>3827447
>I though she was one of the flagship Nijis
Your information is outdated. As outdated as anons who try to talk about idolshit.

>>3852716
*teleports behind u*
She did lose a chunk of her audience and sc-earnings after collabing with males.
Argument still stands.
Fubuki is kinda a bad example, because she is not your average chuuba and at least the streams I saw were pretty wholesome.
She's honest with her audience and puts a distance between them, calling them friends and whatnot and I can respect her integrity. No false advertisement involved.
It's gachikoi repellent.

>>3852753
Most of the loss is probably due to the Taiwan incident and less because of her collabs.
I'll be grateful for any statistics on her SCs because I'm curious

>>3849405
Good to learn, though it's a little weird to me that this would be the case.
>>3849446
NijiEN is really not what I'm concerned about. It's some of the NijiJP ones

>>3832893
>stagnate

>>3849405
Probably the new outfits/2D/3D were in development and planned and then the talent decided they wanted out but shit was already being made.

>>3839356
I don't know how much we can actually trust Japanese doxx information. Like old-Cocoa's doxx that pretty much most people believed back in the day is now shaky with that girl under Eilene. You've also got those who thought Okayu was the girl paired up with Korone in the upd8 and so on.

>>3848517
PLUNGERS

>>3852716
not him.
you literally ignore the point this entire thread trying to make, let me spell it out again if you can't read.
>Reminder what collabing with males will do to your earnings
you trying to cope by saying
>still more popular than countless vtuber females out there
absolutely irrelevant since the point this thread trying to prove was
>collabing with males will destroy your number
and in fubuki case it did, remember when she used to be the face of hololive? exactly.

>>3853829
was meant for this reply >>3852807
but you get my point

>>3849680
MINDBROKEN うおおおおおお

>>3839356
Shes past the expiry date.

>>3852391
>what they are doing is unethical and unfair to other vtubers
¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿??????????????? being a good actress is bad??????????????????? oh yesas, you are one of those people that hate those that are successful and turn their quality into an argument to explain why they are so bad

>>3852562
didn't he just say it was his fault? If we go by his words, the one worrying about purity and putting cats atop pillars was his gf.

If I were Rushia, I would live in another country the moment I announce my graduation.

>>3854069
or join the yukihana corp.

males can be gentle too, y’know? just enjoy

https://www.twitch.tv/artsyvrc

>>3854143
for a second i thought it was artosis channel

can someone explain what happened with Ollie? not trying to start anything, I was off this board for a few weeks and was waiting for a suitable thread to ask about it

>>3854901
Recently? She authorized a Twitter app that hijacks your account.
Previously? She started fangirling over Connor (Trashtaste/anituber) so the board turned against her.

>>3854975
yes the connor thing. what did she do or say exactly?

>>3854901
Adding to what the other anon said. She interacted with vshojo too, so the local schizos latched onto her. Now we have twice the niggers shitting up the board with useless Kiara and Ollie threads.

>>3855077
not him, this shit can't be explained easily, she does the connor thing for months until it reach its peak and have anon here start breaking containment when she dragged moona into the shitshow.

>>3855104
>>3855415
moon got involved too? wow. I'm not sure if it's worth digging through the archives since it seems to be schizo shit

When males collab with females they lose their edge (unnless you're absolute chad)
When female collab with males they lose their personality.

Theres literally ZERO reason to collab with the opposite sex if you're a solo streamer.

>>3855552
yeah but ironically the containment breaching is what stop the entire thing. you don't see them mentioning connor now

>girl interacts with guy in any form possible
>THAT MUST MEAN THEY FUCK!

You purityfags need to be exterminated. Theres a reason why you incels are made fun of on a regular basis

>>3855631
fascinating

>>3855665
reddit is that way

>>3855665
Go back to OnlyFans then

CRAP YOUR HANDS

>>3855665
puritychads are the ones that actually spend money poorfag

>>3856839
>I am mentally ill AND I send my meager paychecks to women online
strange boast but ok

>>3827398
Everyone cares, if they didn't they would watch regular streamers not vtubers.

>>3857103
>meager
You would think so but for example, some GFE camgirls have talked about their gachikois and they are often lonely engineers, programmers and lawyers easily making 100k plus. Being a GFE can pay big money in an era where the amount of men without a sex life in the US is reaching 30% of the male population. Im sure other first world countries like Japan have similar or maybe even worse numbers.

>>3856839
The biggest lie told in the history of humanity. I can also post Matsuri's apex lootbox superchats if you want.

>>3857103
They're more important to the vtubers than people like you who're watching for free though
>>3857149
This. Cartoon girls shouldn't flirt with men other than the protagonist, so vtubers should only interact with chat and pay more attention to superchat.

>>3857516
This isba good way to describe it, the viewer is the protagonist. Vtubing is just the next step in romcom self inserting manga/anime. Vtubing will be replaced by AI driven vtubers, where every person can truly have their own waifu.

>>3857516
go outside. touch grass. talk to some women. holy fucking shit.

>>3857719
Get out of 4chan.

>>3857516
>They're more important to the vtubers than people like you who're watching for free though
On the contrary, you cucks are funding my personal GFE while I get it for free

>>3857719
Deja vu...

>>3858048
not him.
same for me. im freeloader in the GFE-train, and i appreciate people who donate so i don't have to.

I watch Hima because she activates my paternal instinct, don't care about anything else

>>3838141
What would be the general reaction of one of the more popular Niji's leaving to join Hololive?

>>3858746
People will probably start doomposting about how niji is going down, and frankly if the niji makes it big in holo, it might just make more nijis do that, and might make people more likely to apply to holo if they're in it for the money. I assume a lot of doomposting, basically

>>3858910
People are already doomposting about niji though.

>>3858910
I meant more, would they be harrassed or would their old fanbase just move to them at hololive?

>>3859339
Yes, but if people are already doing it; imagine how much it'll happen in that situation. Any thread that even so much as mentions niji will become instantly unusable

>>3859534
Most would probably move, while some who wouldn't want to be a part of the whole idol thing wouldn't. I'm not sure any would be harassed unless some of their fans are massive niji tribalists

I'm fine with girls collabing with guys or choosing not to. What I expect is consistency, that they don't deny the things they've done in the past. That's why I like FBK, Noel and Lamy for being firm about their convictions on this matter. Meanwhile I have mixed feeling for Miko, as she disregarded the things she did to get popular

when is she going to collab with luna

>>3859968
It just confirms that hololive fans dont't care what you've done in the past, they only care about the present and future.
She could be a massive offpaco slut in her niconico days and i wouldnt give a shit as long as she doesnt bring it up on her current iteration.

>>3859968
>FBK, Noel, Miko and Lamy
what are their stance on males collab?

>>3860229
>Miko
NO MALES ALLOWED
>Noel Lamy
I will never collab with males
>FBK
i will collab with males if i wanted to

>>3861166
thanks, i know who i should drop now

>>3852391
Go fuck yourself you cringe SJW. Even if that was true, and it isn't, so what? It's a perfectly fair standard. Frankly, society could do with more standards deriding degeneracy and hedonism these days.
If anything, if it somehow shames people into not being raging sluts 24/7 and staves off the very obvious decay of society by 0.00000001%, then Rushia and Lamy are heroes.

>>3854975
>>3855415
>>3855631
>instantly spoonfeeding
Kill yourself

>>3827499
Fucking good. If I wanted to watch girls fawn over boys I'd just go creep on some real life girls. I watch vtubers to escape that sort of girl that can't shut up about boys.

>>3863322
>If I have to be a virgin incel then everyone else should also be virgin incels: the post

>>3863563
based

>>3852391
>not being a whore is an unfair standard
it's really not that hard to do.
>>3863756
>If I can't stop myself from being a whore, then everyone else should also be a whore: the post

>>3859968
>Mixed feelings on Miko for disregarding the things she did to get popular
Saying Nigger?

>>3860229
Miko is strongly NO MALES. That is why I like her. If a chuuba willingly collabs with a male, they are dead to me.

>>3865924
>>3865965
>They don't know

>>3865965
Imagine being like this

>>3866031
I take my chuuba experience very seriously and I'm not some cuck who is going to enjoy my chuuba of choice fooling around with another dude. Fuck that.

>>3865965
BASED

>>3866015
not them but i do.
migo was stupid bitch back then. she's redeemed now.

>>3866190
what did she do?

>>3866102
>not a cuck
>"another" dude
the implication being that you are, in any way, "with" her. Let your chuuba be happy and successful and stop being an idolfag

>>3866219
Ready to drop her >>3866102 ?

>>3866219
leeching off niji males

>>3866323
BTW, kuroi shiba is a female so don't get too mad about the marriage proposal migo did to her

>>3866439
I'm fine with it, I'm more surprised by all long the Hoshiten siblings have been in activity

>>3866323
>ready to drop her
No. In my initial statement I said "willingly". Company enforced collabs don't count since she didn't have a choice. Miko would never collab with Nijisanji, much less Niji males if it was up to her.

I despise newfags for painting Miko as an anti-men symbol from a simple minecraft joke. Months prior to her return, there were schizos daily wishing she end up dead. Suddenly they all "banished" once they saw how successful her return was.

>>3866712
Meds

>>3866323
miko was streaming to double digit viewers at the time, she was desperate pls andastand

>>3866712
>Company enforced
>Miko would never
You're coping really hard here

>>3867030
>Miko would never
>You're coping really hard here
prove it

>>3867077
You really think all those collabs we "forced" on her? You're the one the needs to prove it to me. The burden of proof lies on you insofar as you're making a positive claim. You're affirming that she didn't have a choice, when all I'm saying is that that's not necessarily the case. Take your meds as the other anon said, and perhaps reevaluate your idolfaggotry

>>3863756
>Why don't you like whores? Whores are good for you and you're a mean sexist if you have any standards for behavior whatsoever!
Kill yourself, please.

>>3827594
Kenmochi is extremely based.
He got like 30k live viewers on his last stream playing slither.io because he's just fucking funny and interesting.

>>3831289
this is not new or modern faggot
males not liking whores is a fact through all history

>>3848517
holy meds

300 posts speculating about superchat numbers, this board truly is mentally ill

>>3837899
this is happening in most modern countries and is not only males fault.

doom posting EN and JP holofags never cease to make me laugh.

>>3868132
this is not even the worst numberfagging thread on /vt/

>>3867417
>male vtuber
>interesting
Lol, not true at all

>>3852524
>>3853822
????????????
Read a fucking biology text book you uneducated goblinoids, it's ACTUALLY THE MEDICAL CONSENSUS FOR WHY DICKS ARE SHAPED THE WAY THEY ARE
YOU RETARDS
READ, FAGGOTS, READ

>>3852391
>Their fanbase is only peaceful because they've bought into this patriarchal lie, meant to keep women being weak and subservient.
Good.
Let men work.

Well that explains why NijiEN was formatted like an idol group. Guess I can throw the idea of male NijiENs out hte window. They REALLY wanna get those gachikois back.

>>3868982
>no male
they finally make a correct decision for once

>>3857719
get the fuck out

Imagine being so insecure about others insecurities and personal content preferences that you invade their spaces online to tell them about how much you dislike their behaviour and that you dislike the things they enjoy. And then imagine criticizing the content creators for providing content they want to, and their audience for willingly spending their own money on that content, because you're afraid that...it will cause more of such content to appear i the future? I think?
Actual evangelists, the fucking lot of you. Your moral contentions are irrelevant. Find purpose.

>>3868880
PLUNGERS!!!!

>>3868880
whoever come up with this have vivid imagination

>>3867137
Seethe cuck

>>3869577
>>3869871
not that guy but
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26181472/

>>3869871
But it's a commonly accepted explanation...it's not even pop science, it's often stated as the de facto reason in articles that relate to it...
You people are fucking crazy, I swear to actual christ

>>3871033
Fucking thank you
Literal cucks are too afraid to admit sexually insecurity is built into our biology
It's fucking disgusting that they can't admit to themselves the nature of man

>be nijisanji
>see small company called Hololive
>small company begs for collabs cause small
>help them out and give em exposure
>that company gets big very big
>they also stop collabing with you
>effectively used and dumped you like a whore
You know its true holofags

>>3872033
unfathomably based

>>3872033
NijiLsanji

>>3871576
but anon, a cuck is someone who is or was cheated on. The whole point of moot if you keep saying words like sexual insecurity. Actually, I have no clue what point do you want to make with penises

someone make this thread part 2, there got to be something more we can argue over about.
this thread actually hit bump limit unlike most other trash (you) bait threads in this site

>>3875849
I'm surprised this thread was actually pretty decent. Was expecting shitposting central based on the OP.