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>>38401533
Previous Thread.
I blame pisscord for this.

UUUU VTWBG IS DYING

>>38462165
>Flowfish
>Nasfaqg, specifically the Heartflow Strait
>A species of fish

A species of fish that have been affected by the chuubanitic pollution of the Heartflow Strait.
Flowfish eat other smaller fish and zooplankton that live in the Heartflow Strait. The chuubanitic pollution from vitium-industries located all across the shores of the strait accumulates in the foodweb and concentrates particularly well in the muscle and fat tissues of the flowfish.
Flowfish typically grow to be between 5 and 8 cm long. The largest confirmed specimen to have been caught was 56 cm. It is theorized that flowfish do not have an upper limit to their body size, instead continuing to grow larger until they are caught or die of other causes. The larger the flowfish grow, the more potent the chuubanitic concentration in their flesh becomes.

The typical flowfish has no clear magical abilities, however experiments using larger specimens (16cm and up) have shown that as the fish grow larger, they begin to exhibit anomalous behaviour. Among these is a considerably higher intelligence and the ability to learn. Large flowfish (24 cm and up) have been shown to be able to solve rudimentary puzzles, such as navigating a maze, and pulling levers or strings to gain access to food after having been shown an example a few times. Even larger flowfish, the rare specimens of 32cm and up, have been shown to be able to remember human faces, and recognize themselves in a mirror (a dot was painted on the side of the flowfish, and then a mirror was placed in its tank. The flowfish proceeded to inspect the mirror, and after it noticed the spot in its mirror image, the fish proceeded to try to scrape this side of itself against the tank, in a presumed attempt to get the dot off). In one peculiar instance, "George", a 34cm long flowfish of the Tripoint Ka-ti Institute at Solus, was shown to have been taught to play tic-tac-toe. George could consistently tie against children between the ages of 6 and 8.
Flowfish of 40cm and up have been used in experiments predicting the movements of the market a day or two in advance. The results of these experiments have never been released to the public, but at least in one instance a biologist known to have been associated with flowfish experiments suddenly increased his net-worth by 91.4% within a week through a series of risky bets in local mahjong tournaments.

Flowfish cannot live in captivity for much longer than a month or two. Smaller specimens are known to survive for longer than larger ones. The reason for the flowfish dying off is unknown, but consistent. The fish seem to slowly wither away, even if they are fed. Farming flowfish has thus proved ineffective.
It appears that when taken away from a constant supply of nasfaqg type chuubanite, they slowly lose their presumed chuubanitic abilities. Whether the Flowfish Withering Syndrome (FWS) and the lack of just the right types of nasfaqg chuubanite are connected, is currently unknown.

Flowfish flesh and fat are known to have various desirable effects on their consumers. The flesh has a stimulating effect, akin to caffeine, increasing the awareness of the consumer slightly. Anecdotes of flowfish eaters point to flowfish flesh and caffeine amplifying each other's effects. In large amounts flowfish flesh is claimed to allow one to "enter the Flow", increasing their luck whilst giving the eater a considerable boost to their mood and energy levels. This state, known as "Flowfish High" is often sought after by amateur mahjong players trying to make a name for themselves in the parlors. These players are often pejoratively called "Fish-Breath" by the more experienced flowfish aficionados, who themselves prefer to use the far less disagreeable smelling (and considerably more expensive) oil of the flowfish.

Flowfish are usually consumed dried, although in places where the fish is caught fresh, they are often used as part of local cooking.
Overuse of flowfish is believed to have various negative side effects, most prominent among them negative mental conditions such as heightened anxiety, depression, and increased risk of schizofication.

>>38462165
>>38515292
>The Legendary Flowfish
>Nasfaqg, specifically the Heartflow Strait, Lover's Strait, Heartlight Isles, and Moonwaters.
>A cryptid or a monster

A flowfish specimen of unknown size (Most stories approximate the fish to be between 16 and 24 meters), rumored to live in the Heartflow Strait. The Legendary Flowfish has never been caught, and those who claim to have seen the fish all describe it differently, some claiming it's scales glow with all the colours of the rainbow, and others saying that the scales were reminiscent of the night sky, black all over with shining bright spots. Various other descriptions also exist, some even claiming that the Legendary Flow"fish" is no fish at all, but a snake, or a whale. Everyone does agree on getting a weird certainty of the animal they were witnessing being the Legendary Flowfish. Veteran fishermen claim that no other creature could have a presence such as the Legendary Flowfish.

Where the stories do agree is the Legendary Flowfish being extremely smart. In almost every story, the fish is described as evading, toying, and playing with those who try to capture it, in some stories such as the "Tale of Valt William and the Great Fish", the creature is described as outsmarting and outmaneuvering entire fleets of coordinated fishing vessels, and even sinking William's boat, eating his precious golden pocket watch as a presumed taunt, and then swimming away never to be seen by William again. In the story, Valt William who had visited the far southern realms of Writhaven and Pingviinilä, described the Legendary Flowfish as reminding him of the southern winter night sky when the fish swam close to the surface, "Like the Auroras swimming underwater".

In some stories however, the Legendary Flowfish has been described a protector or an omen of some sort. In the "Tales from Southaven" story collection, an unnamed fisherman had been seeing dreams of the Legendary Flowfish capsizing the fisherman's boat as he prepared to go out to the sea, and every time this had happened shortly after the fisherman's home village was destroyed by a massive storm. According to the story, as the fisherman next day went out to the sea, the Legendary Flowfish appeared and impacted the man's boat. Reminded of his nightmares, the fisherman returned to the shore, and when he inspected his boat he found that where the Legendary Flowfish had hit his boat was five deep scrapes. Convinced that these scrapes were a warning, the fisherman gathered the villagers and convinced them to leave the village as soon as possible and head to the nearby town further inland. Five days later a massive storm swept through the area and when the villagers returned to their home they found that the entire settlement had been washed out to the sea.

Many a fisherman and cryptid hunter have made it their life's goal to capture the Legendary Flowfish, but no one has yet succeeded in doing more than merely witnessing the beast.

>>38514532
Archive under "World", "Creatures and Plants" and under Nasfaqg
https://rentry.org/dghwn

Hello my dear friends. I would like to relay some information.
Do (You) regularly post in a general? Do (You) have autism? Of course (You) do!
I know an autism project. It's active. It's collaborative.
Thank (You) for your time. I hope (You) consider checking it out.

>>38515292
>>38515361
Nasfraqronie, I cant read it in full right now and give a proper response but it looks like some nice mythology

>>38515292
>>38515361
the rentry is a bit better formated than the post so I recommend anyone to read that instead, especially on the Legendary Flowfish part.
>>38517878
thank you!

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>>38515292
>>38515361
>George the tic-tac-toe master
Holy shit, that's amazing.
Nice descriptions of the effect of the chuubanite, and I really love the physical descriptions of the Legendary flowfish. Love it.

How's winter in your country?

>>38518398
Cold but bearable Hickorypuff's get the worst and the lunshine warms em up

>>38518477
Right now Niji continent and fetish lands would be going through summer. Though everything is speed of plot.

>>38519133
Say, how do you figure the crops to be about the fetish lands? Horni and the like probably need lots of food for all the sex they do, what might grow there?

>>38514532
https://rentry.org/ivg47
Meme story about the Horny Council. hahahahahaha

>>38505457
Sure!
Holo-Japonian Hyperwar
Conflict that set native Japonians against a number of chuuba-related factions. Tensions began to rise with the growth of the HoloEmpire, and reached a breaking point as the HoloMyth powers gained power. Ended in the Board Split event.
First thru Seventh Trinity Wars
Moriji's most common civilized warring partners would probably be found in the Trinity nations, which have had a measure of tension with the island almost since their founding. These tensions have flared up a number of times throughout their shared history, though the military bloc of the Trinity has presented a less solid front in recent centuries.
First Ordurial War
Moriji's first great schizo event, which acquainted the nation with who would end up being a repeated foe.
War of Independence
In the chaos following the board split, Moriji, who had always had poor relations with the Global Empire's leadership, immediately took the opportunity to cut itself politically from the control of the Emperor.
Tearful Wars
Though there had been some scuffles prior, this were the first major theologically-motivated conflicts with the Kaiserreich. This series of wars created some schisms in the relations between the nations that never quite healed in the Kaiserreich, in no small part due to the ideological distanciation of Moriji relative to the rest of the Holo Nations as a whole.
First Matiyotl Raids
This is approximately when the proud Matiyotl raiders of the Neutral continent first attacked Moriji.
First thru Fifth Global Wars
Following the War of Independence, the truce between Moriji and its ex-government did not last long. These long wars have varied in cause, between attempts to bring the rebellious nation back into the fold, retribution of theological transgression, or escalation of political tensions through Moriji's ever-increasing naval presence.
Numberfag Incursions
I don't know desu, but we hate numberfags so I think we'd get into trouble with them.
Hell Rodent Wars
Sudden surge in schizo events around when Mori and Mousey interacted in the Heavenly Realm, potentially involves the first interactions with the Ironmouse Prefecture.
Second Ordurial War
Another great mass schizo event that shook the nation, again due to Heavenly Realm events.
Cannibal Invasions
Following the Marine Sister event, sharp increase in Matiyotl raids in holo-nations, culminating in the beginning of the Age of the Sail in the Ailivian Ocean.
Third Ordurial War
Perhaps the greatest mass schizo event experienced by Moriji. Ended with a slow tapering off of the hostilities instead of some climactic conclusion.
Irystocrat Wars
Irystocrats are always at war with Moriji.
Party Wars
Differing interpretation of divine events caused a sudden worsening of Moriji-/ggg/ relations, resulting in a wide-scale conflict. This conflict was accompanied by a schizofication event of remarkable magnitude, who ended up fighting both nations long after the interstate war had ended.
Tempus Wars
Major war in recent history, led to many changes in the international relations between Moriji and Infinitum.

>>38520762

>>38520762
Aint worth a kek but I appreciate the squirrel slander.

>>38517019
You know too much about me

>>38520829
I suppose a benefit of having your oshi by a general pariah amongst the board is that it certainly helps with creating conflicts. Outside of a cold war with the Matsurisu, Luna is pretty much drama averse in nearly every aspect. The closest thing to it in recent memory was her tendency to injure herself on accident nanora.

>>38523460
Kek yeah it's a silver lining.
Hmm Mori injured herself a bunch of times too (Once she injured both her legs separately), maybe I can use that. Some kind of Concernfag vs Goddess Faithful conflict.

>>38523553
Concernfags are everywhere nowadays, they're not schizos or antis but they're annoying especially when Hime's really deep into a game and is getting her builder fever on.
Maybe instead of a war timeline I can organize Hime Vessels by the games Luna played at the time, we could have some Rust war stuff too. I feel like it was a missed opportunity not to do anything with the Rust wars in Vitubia nora

>>38523900
I think your base concernfag isn't a schizo, but they're susceptible to falling to doomfaggotry which can be highly schizocific in severe cases.
Oh, we had some Rustschizos as well! HoloMyth had a pretty nice mass schizo event around the Rust War actually, with /ggg/ turning against /awat/ and /morig/ having a rivalry with /ggg/ over Mori's vendetta. I'll add it.

>>38524104
...now that I remember, a few EN's killed Hime and she declared Ame an enemy. I know where the crusade will next turn.

>>38519576
For Horni its like middle Europe with good wet weather. You can grow European from spring to fall. Maybe some South Africa. /hag/ has a humid continental climate. So its like New York and northeast US. /ringo/ is a cold desert. They're reliant on fishing and ambrosia. As for /uoh/ its literally inhabitable by normal means. Unless they have some sort of hot wellspring system the high cold mountains won't have anything growing near the peaks.

nobody ever comes into risu threads. And Risu just does her own thing pretty much.

>>38525636
>Walk in /risu/.
>Shouts "FUCKING KEK".
>Doesn't elaborate.
>Leaves.

>>38524996
Maybe /ringo/ and /ouh/ can have an arrangement of supplies since cunny is a great source of piss?

>>38527155
That's something you have to arrange with your generals.

Belly bump

Holy shit. you guys alright? seems even slower than the old days?

>>38532441
Finals. Christmas season. Its a very busy time.

>>38532441
Trannitor in a mood today so it doesn't help much

>>38518138
Thanks!

>>38518398
North doesnt really have a winter as its near the equator. The middle has, according to my currently very mentally exhausted understanding a dry warm summer and a wetter mild winter. Snow unlikely but not unheard of.
The south has colder winters, and snow is more frequent, but the winters remain relatively short and mild.

>>38515292
>>38515361
>>38532894
Hugs kronie!
Great work!!

>>38518398
There is no real winter in tropical Moriji, but the Underworld gets even cooler during the colder season. I like to think when you get really close to the Mountain, it's basically antarctica-tier, especially during the night, but I'd want to quantify cooling effects a bit more.

>>38533664
Hey Founder
you dun goof

>>38534435
Wouldn't it cool off during the solstice when the sun is furthest away from the equator?

>>38534651
Yep, in real madagascar it's about 7-10 deg C difference in temperature between two max and minimum average temps.

>>38534612
Did i slipped up somewhere? i was just praising nasfaq-ronie's work

>>38533664
Ay Founder how you doing?

>>38535226
busy. Im almost done with everything. If all goes to plan i'll be returning home by the time the new year rolls in.

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>>38533664
Hugs!
Thanks!

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>>38518398
Good question! I actually wrote about it a while ago!
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-vnuglore#seasons
But the gist is that /vnug/ has about 3 seasons that can be considered winter
The first season starts around the time when the fiery leaves of deciduous trees fell off. Trees become either bare or under snow-covered pale leaves, exposing mosses, lichen, and mushroom that has been hidden by the greenery in the previous bright seasons. The forest has become quiet since the majority of birds have either migrated to warmer places or begun hiding from the cold, but some of the more cold-hardy animals (including the people) continue to hunt during this season, preying upon the fattened and less active animals preparing for hibernation. This is also the time of the wet freeze as the relatively warm temperature (25~40 degrees?) and increased rainfall invites stormy days of mixed rain and snow that could easily turn many places into mud bath.
The second season covers the time around the winter solstice. This is the time when the long snowy nights fully take hold of the land. Silent woods and whitened moors dominate the landscape, and some parts of the southern coast extend into the icy ocean. Almost all animals have retreated to the warm refuge of their home or dreams, and most humans spend their short days in shelters. The ground has mostly frozen solid, allowing reindeer herds to travel between sheltered spots to dig for lichen under the snow. This also means that this can be a season of war, since the dry weather and firm ground allow larger forces to traverse the terrain, and many less acclimatized foreigners will have a hard time functioning in the dark freezing cold.
The third season is when the day begins to lengthen and the air starts to melt once more. The first migratory birds return to their homeland and their songs herald the end of the dark seasons, and people begin emerging from their shelters to replenish their supplies of lumber and food, or ward off the boredom with outdoor activities like skiing. Reindeer herders start leading their herd to the frozen highlands to continue the lichen harvest away from the coming thaw seasons and swarms of mosquitoes.

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>>38540148
Oh, I didn't remember reindeer herders moved away from the thawed out regions, is that the migratory pattern they follow in nature too?

>>38542669
It is! Wild reindeer also migrate between winter pastures in highland and summer pastures in lowland. It’s presumably because the lowland in summer is much more productive due to its warmth, but the thaw seasons there are too difficult to navigate and mosquito-borne diseases probably don’t help either

>>38540148
Should be some medicinal properties to lichen at least.

>>38544615
Reindeer lichen’s pretty cold-hardy and scientists have isolated some antibacterial compounds from them, but otherwise I don’t think it does anything except feeding the picky reindeer during winter

>>38540148
relevant

>>38540148
Hey vnugboi. Would you say the dreamwalkers are masters of lucid dreaming and can dream of whatever they want? Just curious.

>>38544762
Are the caribou tasty at least?

>>38518398
Still don't have the new climate at hand but based on the old map, the West would have some snow cover. The Eastern highlands, depending on the location probably has less.
Diet would change over to have a lot more canned and pickled vegetables, especially those that are sown during late summer and autumn. Urban families near waterways would get their coal stores ready, and rural farms would break out their cache of firewood. Because of forest protection laws firewood most likely wouldn't run low for most people. Failing that woolen cloaks are still pretty cheap thanks to natural pastures in the East and some irrigated pastures in the West.
People would get ready for winter solstice celebrations. Cattle from the East-West cattle drive would be slaughtered, chicken which is the most popular meat by volume of consumption would flood the market in the West. Chocolate and coffee stands would sell ginger cake. While the vendors in Eastern mining towns peddle sweet potatoes roasted on hot rocks, powered by coal mines near by.

>>38550374
I think they can be! It’s established that Dreamwalkers know enough about the use of herbs and magical essential oils to manipulate other’s dreams, so they can apply the same process to themselves to control their own dream as well. Some disciplines and medicine should help them retain control in dreams both of themselves and of others too since we decided the most skillful and well-prepared Dreamwalkers can “invade” someone’s dream

>>38550605
Apparently it tastes like lean venison

>>38550818
imagine being able to dream about a date with your oshi or goddess every night you see where im going with this?

>>38551088
If we go by Kokone’s lore then she sees and records all our dreams by default. You can probably still get lucid if you have the skills and will but I imagine she could override yours if she wants even if you’re just dreaming an entity with her likeness instead of the real deal

>>38551254
so if i have a lucid dream about banging her then she would take notice and punish me for it? Well shit.

>>38551536
Dreams are her domain so she would logically take notice and we know she also manipulates dreams on a regular basis. She says she’s only doing that to remove bad dreams but no one but her will remember what she does to our dreams either way. She also told chat that she can technically sic nightmares on people if she wants so she might just do that if you displease her

>>38551254
Have we gotten much into Catalog entities? I know it was a discussion for a short while but when you mention entities in the guise of chuubas that seems like something similar.
>>38551536
If you have a lucid dream and try to bang a dream creature that has any degree of sentience, your subconscious is going to start messing with you. Do you even lucid dream treerat, that seems a skill coomer brain might get in the way of.

>>38551882
I meant to say dreaming about getting intimate with someone who was just a fragment of your imagination instead of the actual individual, but I suppose if skilled Dreamwalkers can invade other people’s dreams they might not be the only one able to do so

I miss having vtuber dreams.

>>38551732
Well there goes my idea of any lewd fuckers that just want to sleep all day and have sex with her in their dreams. It seems there is no room for bullshitting with the dream goddess.
>>38551882
Yes. I lucid dream on occasion actually. And I dont think I need to tell you all who I dream about.

>>38552366
I guess it would be possible if she doesn’t mind people having lewd dreams about her. In this world there’s probably only one way to find out if you can do that

>>38552060
I have them on the occasion though my subC has developed an anti lucid dreaming protocol to stop me from fucking with anything by making the dreams as painfully non surreal as possible to the point where I've believed a big hurricane was about to hit and that I had a few days off work when in fact there were clear skies. Cheeky shit.

>>38552809
I don't really have lucid dreams. Though lately I've been having nightmares where I reee like a Pepe shitposter and getting banned from everywhere and locked in a white room. The few dreams I did have control I don't really do lewd things with the vTuber visitors. We mostly talk, eat some tasty snacks, and explore around town. The dream town is strange. It has the same roads as my real town but there's more interesting places than reality. The chuubas feel like guests while I'm the host. So I guess there's responsibility.

Don’t know if this idea is any good but I might as well give it a shot.
I have a silly idea for a migratory bird, maybe named something along the lines of shitter or shitbird. The bird migrates to a new land (preferring inhabited settlements), eats whatever it can, excretes everywhere, and then migrates elsewhere.

>>38553872
You just described seagulls

>>38553872
>>38553988
Shitgulls

>>38553988
Maybe they could be like roided up seagulls, blanketing the unfortunate town and also attracting the attention of schizos somehow.
I’m very tired right now so this might be stupid

>>38554188
Hmm I don't think the birds themselves should be the thing that attracts schizos. They could be sensitive to rrat fields, which is why they sometimes preempt a schizo raid (of course the people in universe might not know this).

>>38554188
Stupid lore is kino tho, the super shitgull could be vital to some ecosystems in the pisslands.

>>38554471
That seems like a good idea! Some birds irl use the magnetic field to navigate, so maybe some creatures in this world can detect rrats in a similar way as well.
>>38554484
I remember hearing somewhere about guano being very important to some ecosystems!

>>38556018
Some penguins use bird shit to keep beaches free from ice and snow.

bird bump

>>38556018
I mean seed transportation as well as acting as fertilizer, shit is necessary for a proper ecosystem

>>38560628
Phosphorus and nitrogen is important to farming.

Stayed up too long past my bedtime bump.

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>>38554188
Wait like a literal flying shit storm of birds?

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/who/

https://rentry.org/yw5fs
Very slight update. I think I will give up on doing a comprehensive list of wars. For various reasons I think wars against schizos should be more "ad hoc", only created as needed. However the scale and destruction caused by each should be limited and each of them have a decently long interval to not only make it more realistic but also reflect how most of it works on the actual board. Rep if I'm missing any other instance where we got raided by other splits please do tell. Thanks

>>38570200
Oops

>>38570200
>>38570248
I can't recall any raid by any other split, there was that one time we got raided by bots, but I don't really feel like coming up with a way to represent that thought, nor do I remember the exact details of that.

>>38570404
Yeah the only two times I remember are after the April Fools stream and during the fanfic stream

>>38570460
>>38570404
Also can you perhaps try to link that one? I don't really recall there being any raids from bots.

>>38570485
Issue is that I don't recall when it happened. Else I'd have elaborated more on that. I can't be assed to search the archive right now either, so I'll just ignore it for now.

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>>38556147
this is actually extremely fascinating. Can you tell anything more about this?

jump

>>38574270

dump

Think it's gonna be useful for some of yous too so here we go:
A history of world agriculture
key points:
>Soil nutrients and characteristics: Plants NEED nutrients to grow, chief among them nitrogen. How to maintain the soil nutrient level while not completely exhausting it is the key. However many natural processes such as precipitation, evaporation and mineralisation can cause the nutrients to become either lost or unreachable for the crops. One should also note that unless there's outside intervention, the level of nutrients usually reaches a level of equilibrium, of how much the soil can hold under different circumstances (seasons, climate etc). The contents of the soil is also of extreme importance as it limits how much land is arable using the tools one have at their disposal. Humus content (biomass) is crucial.

>Regeneeration of soil nutrients: The process of returning the cultivated soil to its natural state, or back to a reasonably productive state for subsistence, therefore needs to reintroduce as much of the nutrients lost in the growing of the crops as possible. While it's feasible to leave the farmed parcels to the wild and let the soil regenerate its biomass (slash-and-burn agriculture), it often takes at least a decade or more for the land to become productive again, and almost 50 years for the farmed land to return to its ecological climax, thus back to its most biomass rich state, where one can extract maximum output from it again. Also note that this technique is still widely practiced today in the global south.

>Ecological crisis in the Bronze age Mediterranean: However, the extensive exploitation of woodland resources after the neolithic period caused much of the Mediterranean basin to lose its natural forests, lands are exposed and turned into shrublands. Slash-and-burn agriculture is now untenable. Now the only way for farmlands to regain their nutrients is to practice transhumance, by using herds of sheep to graze, as widely as possible, the surrounding rocky landscape surrounding the now much smaller farms, or the agri, and introduce biomass as manure by penning the herd. The ard was also introduced at this point, where it aids the breaking up of the soil, reducing the capillary action within the soil and trapping the nutrients. However, the ard cannot turn over and break up the soil sufficiently enough, where it still requires long, manual labor to hoe any weeds and to form the furrows. Agriculture with the ard requires a long fallow period, usually more than year, for the herd to naturally graze and deposit manure by penning them on the land. (depending on the crop, it can be shorter, such as a one-year system with millet) This kind of agriculture could only sustain a small population as well with a few surpluses. This system also requires slaves to produce enough surplus, in part driving the culture around slavery during this period in history (as slaves don't have families to feed). New systems like terracing and intercropping with different types of plants, for example, wheat under olive groves, were developed.

>Collapse of the Western Roman Empire and development of bi & triennial agricultural system: The villas of the Roman Empire gradually developed into the feudal holdings and manors of medieval Europe. Farmers, lacking equipment and land were given refugee from the collapsing empire, where the system of serfdom was eventually developed and entrenched. However, the adoption, beginning in the mid-10th century, of scythes, carts, stables and the multipart plow allowed farmers to work more land. The increased output of hay and extended range of meadows allow more nutrients to be added to the farmlands. Livestock stabled during the winter can continue producing manure and are ready to be applied next spring, eliminating the biggest obstacle to farming in cold temperate Europe. The plow, with metal parts and now able to truly turn over the soil can work a much larger area. (incidentally it also allowed Northern Europe with its much harder soils to expand their farmland) This allows a two-year rotation with two harvests, of winter and spring cereal. The agricultural revolution in 10th century, together with later, a new triennial rotation, allowed urban population to boom thanks to the surplus they produce (but note that most are still very small, not more than ~3-50000) Though arguably it's more important for the expansion of artisanal industries. And the adoption of the new technique is also quite slow, where some parts of Europe(South and East) only adopted it in late 19th to early 20th century.

>Premodern agricultural revolution:
The new system without fallowing, where it is replaced by a row crop such as turnips or potatoes, is enabled by the development of enclosed land and better agricultural equipment. It is first practiced in ~1600 in the low countries. Without fallowing, farmers can utilize the land to grow cover crops like vetch or oat grass. Row crops also provide additional fodder and food diversity for humans. Combined with mechanical reapers, farmers can produce much more fodder, allowing them to keep more livestock and thus more manure. This increase in fertility allows two cereal crops to be planted in succession with each other. However, the land laws entrenched during the middle ages prevents the development of this method in much of Europe, due to the recognition for fallow lands as "commons", communal grazing grounds for landless or "under" landed peasants. The politics and culture of the different nations can affect this process of enclosing the land, thus providing increased productivity and profit. For example, the enclosure in England produced many landless peasants who could only work as wage labor in cities or the now expand farms of the gentry. In France, the medium-sized farms that benefited the most from the redistribution of land during the Revolution.

>Modern agricultural revolution:
More mechanical tools, fertilizers yada yada yada, bit too far for most nations rn.

Also please note that this book has a very heavy emphasis on Temperate Europe. I found a couple more sources on Eastern agriculture but I've yet to read them. Lastly, note that I'm an idiot and have likely missed many points in this book. Though I'd say, boldly, the biggest sticking point of the entire book is "poop".If you are interested, ISBN's here: 9781844073993

>>38576796
Uhhh
*>Early modern agricultural revolution:

Bump

Slow day huh?

the holidays be slow indeed.

hello! i am interest in writing for phase connect. i have lurked for a month and this project look fun and interesting over all, nice distraction from real life. i understand there are writers for phase already, but you can always use more right??? i am not so good at english, srry.

>>38580841
Ah welcome! It's been a long while since any phase writers pop their heads out in this thread so honestly you can try your hand at writing now. If you are afraid of messing with what they have written so far, just write some stories based on the current lore. Good thing all the timeloops and drama didn't dissuade you from joining.

>>38580841
Welcome!!!! I am the 2434 rep, and I am glad you have joined us!!!! If you need help, just ask me or anyone. I think sol the phase rep will be with us on the weekend.

>>38580920
ty ty ty !!! well, i will try to think of what to do. i love writing and the autism of this project so its not hard. Not pay attention to the drama, it is 4ch after all.

>>38580947
ty ty ty !!! nice to meet you, i will ask when i need it!!! Hope to see him soon!

>>38580841
>>38581084
Welcome, I am the pcg rep and happy to have you on board. I am busy often, so I am really happy to see someone else join that could perhaps write more than I can. If you have any questions, i lurk here a good bit so I will try to attend to them soon enough. Any ideas are welcome.

>>38581224
Also, one more question. What interests you in terms of writing?

>>38581224
AH, very nice to meet you !!! I will be sure to ask !!!
>Also, one more question. What interests you in terms of writing?

I like military, history. Maps are fun and i am a bit of a drawfag that has no talent for drawing )))

>>38581383
Thank you, and that's great to hear. I am sure you know about the whole project that myself and others are doing right now with a big war, so I would be happy to let you take care of it if that is what you like. You already meet Alice, our 2434 rep, but there are others as well such as aeg, 774 and voms that I am sure will make their presence known soon.

Also, thank you to 774 rep for continuing your excellent story. I enjoyed it greatly.

>>38581469
i would be very happy !!! that is one of reasons i joined was that story wrote by 774 and this war. i would like the resources i think others have too. thank you sol.

>>38581525
https://rentry.org/8iywq
It is sloppy, but i hope this helps!!! ask me or any of us questions!!!

>>38581604
ty ty ty !!! I will do more reps then ask question in hour or so. thank you.

ok so I have ideas but i also not want to ruin what is already established so feel free to disregard them. i understand the whole aspect of us being invader to continent from north, so i have idea to make us not greek but more slavic as people that adopted the existing 774 ways in some ways
as in the elites have mostly fully assimilated to the dominate culture that would have been 774 such as their names, titles and such. good examples of this can be seen in serbia and bulgaria in their assimilation and titles. i also think our nation is too big and too late for us
to have thematic system as it is presented because that system was no longer effective overall by 12th century real life.

it makes not so much sense to divide nation based on the chuubas into provinces, as one of points that you can see in pcg is that you have people like pippafags that are tribalist to her, while others love all gen 1 but hate gen 2, but most i think love most of the girls. their would be of course those who are near monotheist towards one person but i think it is more complex than that.

if i have suggestion, we can keep the landed elite dynatoi while removing thematic system, and replace it with something more unique. I also think that many of civil war would come from those like pippafags who are tribalist, the gen 1 tribalist and others.

>>38582380
>ok so I have ideas but i also not want to ruin what is already established so feel free to disregard them.

Not an issue, if anything I welcome some originality personally.

>slavic invaders.
This is actually a really nice touch and detail that makes much more sense than to me that what was set up before 774 came in.

>theme system

Yes, we need something better since I just sort of tried to incorporate the previous pcclg writers lore with that. I am not that wise with that and I approve of any changes you want to make to it.

>Thread culture

Also agreed, was a relic like the past and I am not that good at thinking of original ideas kek. I never thought much about things like that and your points are all true. Indeed, if you want to overhaul all the lore, you may since I think your vision is rather fresh and unique instead of the byzantine larp we have. Just be sure to respect the other writers and not change it too radically so that they would have to retcon much of the lore.

>>38582594
ah I am so happy !!! honest, this is great. I will respect the other writers, and hope none of this causes too many headaches.

>>38582594
i will also try to list all changes in one document for us to go over together. it feelt weird to have many plans but not knowing how to bring them up since i am new.

>>38582775
>>38582806
Great! Looking forward.
>it feelt weird to have many plans but not knowing how to bring them up since i am new.
Personally, I disregard any thoughts about whether someone is new or not because it is a worthless division of people. Your ideas are as valid as anyone's and your "thread age" means nothing when you work civilly, discuss things and act gracefully towards others. Even if I were to disagree with your ideas, I would still treat you as I would any other person here because respect is a double-edged sword. haha, even if you made your first post "Interested in PCG, here are my ideas" I would have supported them assuming you wanted to write them. Glad to have you on board.

>>38582948
you are so great !!!

https://rentry.org/7ua36
ok this is what i have. i will expand on it more tomorrow !!! thanks for all support and love <3 <3 <3

>>38576796
>Post modern agriculture.
>Progressive robots run by artificial intelligence will compost the corpses of dead humans to replenish the soil in the name of climate change. Farming will be non-existent as robots don't need to eat food to survive.

compost bump

https://sites.google.com/site/worldofserina/the-ultimocene-250-million-years/the-sea-shoggoth
I've got a few ideas about how these guys might work, for one thing, I think it would be cool if the idea of their hairs being important to their survival would be cool.
In addition to catching airbubbles for oxygen, I think they could have use long hairs in order to bind to each other more efficiently and to send electrical signals to one another quickly. I really like the idea of it being able to construct a rope using this hairy ant rope to latch onto creatures that might brush past or try to run away from it like a small whale.
Also, I think in addition to the millions of ants, they could also bind each other in a kind of proto gelatinous substance made from left overs from larger animals that can also be manuvered to create channels for quicker mobility throughout the shoggoth.

Word cloud for previous thread.

Boomp

Well seabird guano's got nitrogen, sulfate, and phospheros. So shitbird shitstorms can be one way to refertilize the land.

>>38595549
*pottasium not sulfate.

>>38595549
I feel like an actual shitstorm that fertilizes the earth's soil is very appropriate for R*ngo.
Though are we just pulling seagulls or can we make a Vitubian seagull that has a weird shit optimization?

>newfag joins
>indie continent
>crickets
>newfag joins
>holomyth
>dick riding immediately

So for the shitbird I think that perhaps they are a benefit to the general ecosystem but have a negative impact on towns and cities, spreading diseases and parasites while following rrats

Welcome new phase connect writer. I am moonafic, if you want to write or need advice, well I am not good at either but I just got home so sorry for not saying anything earlier.

>>38596049
No. I hate shitbirds.

>>38597772
But this isn't the bizzaro edition

>>38581525
a new boi appears? YO YOU LIKE PIPPA OR TENMA!?

>>38597934
Then you better invest in umbrella tech

>>38598084
Invest in shotguns, they will be gone in 5 years like dodo birds.

New writer? Hello! Pan pan!

>>38580841
Welcome! I write for /vnug/!

>>38598201
You moontard, dodos were flightless betas that were slowed down by their giant bird asses and tasted too good to live. The Scatgul is a superior avian that will taste like actual shit and be capable of doing fly by fertilization runs.

>>38597772
As it should be

>>38580841
Greetings!

Poo Bird Bump

I feel like /lig/ should have some resources based off of Twitch

Would scientific names be used in this universe?

>>38603100
/lig/ma balls

>>38603117
Yes but only if you're a nerd

Does chibidoki have a fanbase name? Her relationship with chat gives me an idea of a tribe of hyper zoomers that are constantly defacing statues of chibi for shits and giggles by throwing shit at it.

>>38598048
Miichan
>>38597904
>>38598416
>>38598626
Ty ty ty !!! It is much early here today but thank you for kind welcome !!!

>>38598578
It is you who is the retard candyman! Bird shot will do just fine in killing them all. Extinct, gone forever

>>38576775
>>38576796
Good info anon, learned some good stuff in the post-roman empire section. Thank you.
>>38588610
I wonder if the shoggoth could propel itself through water somehow. Maybe if the ants form a water channel through the shoggoth and they all paddle in the same direction it can act as a micro-jet of sorts, then if the shoggoth has thousands or millions of those channels it can produce a measurable amount of thrust.
>>38583814
New writer! Welcome.
>>38603117
Yes but only if you're based

>>38604541
Ty ty !!!
>>38598412
I missd your comment, thank you sanalit.

>>38604328
I wasn’t here until now

>>38603117
I did whenever possible!

>>38604541
Ants can move in water but they’re not very fast. They’re more used to building bridges across narrow streams than swimming in the open sea so I think they’re more likely to just follow the waves like many kinds of jellyfish

>>38604688
no issue !!! i was asleep anyways !!!

>>38604688
That's very true... Most ants are mainly land-creatures, with aquatic adventures being pretty temporary, so maybe the shoggoth could develop more permanent rafting strategies. The one from Serina has ant castes dedicated to just forming paddles, apparently.

>>38604496
Cope moonman, you will never bring the Scatgul down. It is stronger faster and nastier than anything you've ever faced before, you will scream defiantly into the shitstorm and come out with a mouthful of that which you detest.

>>38605446
If it's modeled after seagulls, they'll definitely be quite inextinguishable, sadly...

>>38605289
I don’t know if they can be both fast and large enough to fight against the waves in the open sea. Maybe they could swim around better if they live in sheltered coves or lakes

>>38605586
Or it might only be effective when the sea is calmer? Now that I think about it, the shoggoth might be prone to being broken when it's battered by waves, when it's bigger.

>>38605446
Candyman, wait till I launch my secret weapon. The sea eagle that will eat them all. And then I will make a bird that eats your nation!

>>38604541
Propulsion seems kind of far-fetched and would probably be an unnecessary use of energy for the Shoggoth, at least in terms of transportation. I could definitely see it using water channels for predation though, in order to have quick moveing limbs and tendrils to snatch up and consume prey. It's like vnug says, it'd probably rely on coasting along waves and grabbing up bits of plant and sea life from underwater tendrils until it finds larger prey.
>>38605289
>>38605586
I think it floating on the waves without actively searching for food could actually serve it pretty well, to the vast majority of animals it just looks like free food and it could potentially have a large diet of birds. Even in the situations where it goes without food for a prolonged amount of time, it can always consume a bit of its own mass or eat some of that protoplasm, basically the same thing.

>>38605749
True but that seems too situational to be relevant most of the time. I think they might have better luck using the tentacles to paddle since they can form larger surfaces and combine their strength but even then I feel it would be more for hunting prey and evading predators than actually moving from point A to point B

>>38605535
I was thinking that they could maybe be relatives of a bird similar to starlings in this world that took up the niche of a seabird, got a lot bigger, and gained a tendency to migrate to far places to follow rrats

>>38605870
That'll just create shit eagles, same problem except now they're killing all the other birds AND shitting on you.
>>38605997
>>38605749
Maybe the shoggoth can come together into a ball in order to whether harder whether environments in the ocean while using its hairs to orient itself or even just sink and roll across the ocean floor?

>>38606232
Nice pick, I love starlings. They make nice swarms.
>>38605997
That's true. Imagine the shoggoth slowly paddling towards you, its tentacles reaching towards your ankles.

>>38606289
>submersible Shoggoth
That sounds pretty sick, but I feel like it would have trouble surfacing...

>>38606289
Yes and the shit eagle home is the candy kingdom. So so sad!

>>38606392
You can probably paddle away from it faster

>>38604541
Paddling should also be an option. I know technically that's what the jets do. But I'm thinking all the ants can paddle at once to produce some locomotion with the tentacle for more mechanical movement.

>>38605956
Moving in water is pneumatics. Water will always flow into areas where there's the least pressure. All the ants have to do is move water in a way that water pressure needs to flow just right it moves the colony forward. Paddling also works similarily. Though creating a pump is also viable.

>>38606636
Shit eagle home would be everywhere moon man, but probably concentrated mostly south since that's their original home. You'd get rid of all other birds in the pisslands and replace them with a more aggressive and harder to kill Scatgul, everyone else would be getting shit but you'd be getting more shit per shit since the population is already focused on the ringo lands.
>>38606857
So an internal pump system? How powerful would this need to be since the Shoggoth itself wasn't particularly meant to be a very complex organism and can't be expected to do more than simple behaviors. It's still a bunch of ants, their pump needs to be easily created and maneuverable to accommodate its ever shifting form.

>>38607438
Ants can make pretty complex structures and the sea shoggoth itself is an example of that already. It should be doable but the energy expense’s probably not worth it most of the time

>>38607438
Well maybe your bird, but i will just make one for candy kingdom that is far worse. It eats your candy homes while you are asleep and shits down your chimneys.

>>38607438
Its not an internal pump system in a way we think for an animal. The ants don't drink water. Instead its a mechanical pump where ants with some sort of waterproof seal around them squeeze and pull each other like a giant muscle made out of ants. The pump works like a real pump, which is a pressurized chamber that moves to change pressure to move fluid whether it be water or air.

>>38607438
If built right pumps are very energy efficient. Your heart and diaphragm are pumps. They're pretty efficient. It'll take coordination but pumps are doable.

That said drifting and mechanical locomotion would be more useful for floating. Pumps are used to drain excess water in the colony. I'd imagine the colony floats the way a boat does with its surface area. That's why steel hull boats can float.

>>38607612
I think you stopped understanding the ecological purpose of a shitbird at some point
>>38607869
>>38608205
I think if the hair specialization thing is take to its absolute limits, it could be used to create a pump type organ but it is like you say, the energy usage probably isn't justified except for hunting and even then it probably wouldn't be able to do that for very long. It could potentially have these organs if it grew very large and this type of energy is an acceptable investment but the majority of shoggoths probably wouldn't use a pump organ, they would use heat organs, tendrils, and the like. What other ant pseudo-organs would help it out?

>>38608205
I feel it would be easier for the ants to just drink the excess water and extrude it out into the sea

>>38608694
The water has salt. So it depends on if the ants are adapted to drink salt water.

>>38608608
I think for hunting its easier for the ants to create a larger tentacle to grab its prey faster than it can swim. And the tentacle doesn't even have to stay attached. The ants will break off and sting the prey to death. Then they'll form a raft as the main colony creates a rope to pull the prey back in. That said I think the ant's primary form of food will be sweet kelp and algae. And when they reach a beach they'll anchor and search for food like normal ants.

>>38608935
I think the tentacle thing is actually partially mentioned in the main article but I also think that its primary form of hunting would just be stealthily doing absolutely nothing and letting fish come up to it thinking that its lots and lots of food. The Shoggoth does not look like a predator and a school of fish would most likely swim right into it before getting torn apart.

>>38609203
They can also bait fish with algae and kelp scraps along with krill, shrimp, and crabs pieces. Colonies can also bait whales if they want to. Fishing would be the ideal way of obtaining food at sea. That said I think Shoggoth colonies will love beaches as fruits and vegetables still have nutrients the colony can't get at sea.

This is just my opinion of the matter.

>>38609544
Definitely with the crabs and kelp, I think baiting live whales might be a little too dangerous though since whales might just eat them the same way they would eat a bunch of krill. Whale falls and decaying whales would be amazing catches that could feed the colony for months.

>>38610090
If the colony is desperate enough to bait whales then a few sacrifices would be worth it to feed the colony.

>>38576775
What about brawndo?
It's got what plants crave.
It's got electrolytes!

>>38612683
I know that reference

>>38612683
Idiocracy is not real life (yet). Electrolytes, long and short, are salts. Have you heard about "salting the earth"? Its what you do to kill all life in the land as the salts burn the plants from the inside out. And no matter how much you wash the soil the salts will creep up as salt water.

>>38612926
No, electrolytes are what plants crave.
doesn't seem too healthy for saplings according to what you say

>>38612926
>>38613229
No not the salt!
Squeeeeeeb

>>38613370
>>38613229
/uuu/'s forests can have salt licks for the local wildlife. Salt licks are exposed rock salt that deer like to lick. A little bit of salt is okay. At least in Vitubia where Saplings are kinda human? Or did that change.

>>38612926
>>38613229
That’s actually the plot point

>>38613932
I know.

Question is how can a tentacle of ants paddle an ant boat?

bump

https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/09/09/bird-poop-killing-eucalyptus-in-santa-cruz-county/
https://www.soils.org/news/science-news/when-birds-feather-poop-together/#:~:text=The%20bird%20droppings%20are%20rich,can%20have%20a%20cascading%20effect.
A large concentration of guano in one area can still have an adverse effect, at least in the short term.

>>38619542
>Australian koala spontaneous combustion trees.

bump

bump

>>38588610
Yo what the fuck?!

>>38619620
Well, they are still trees. Still demonstrates the cases

>>38576775
>>38576796
Thank you for sharing this summary with us!

>>38580841
Welcome, hope you enjoy your stay! I write for /nasfaqg/ and sometimes /inf/

>>38593202
>Monkey lore
Need more monkey lore. Where are all the monkeys of Vitubia?

>>38588610
The Shoggoth could produce that gelatinous substance by itself, no need for it to be leftovers necessarily.
Also, you could have different types of ants forming different parts of the creature. You could, for example, have specific types of ants that grow a lot of those hairs they use to trap air and thus provide oxygen for the colony. These air carrier ants would probably be relatively cumbersome and thus unfit for tasks that require fast movement or the ability to dive. Imagine them as the honeypot ant but instead of sugary liquid, they store oxygen for the colony's underwater parts. This would also possibly free up some ants to become less hairy, and thus smaller, and arguably more agile.

>>38597772
the fuck are you on? Did you even read the thread?

>>38603117
You will be extra based if you use in-universe scientific names, meaning using something like Holodhennet.

>>38631045
>where are all the monkeys
If you don't know, you're in danger
>>38631045
It probably could but I think the Shoggoth would be a creature that uses as little energy as possible, it's overall intelligence is kind of up to debate but if it does have the intelligence to create different organs outside of basic structures or specialize breeding specific ants, the question of how is also pretty important

>>38631718
>it's overall intelligence is kind of up to debate but if it does have the intelligence to create different organs outside of basic structures or specialize breeding specific ants, the question of how is also pretty important
Just do what the ants do. "Organs" can emerge from the very simple instructions on how a mass of ants work. I dont think having specialized forms of ants, like how real ant colonies have with workers and warriors and others, would use that much energy. In fact, I think it may be more energy efficient than just having a bunch of generally un-specialized ants.

bump

>>38514532
https://rentry.org/oou68
I have done piece on syndeoneian army and proof read it a lot so it won't be confusing to you )))

>>38631045
thank you for the warm welcome !!!

>>38627284
Shoggothmaxxing
>>38631882
In terms of the Shoggoth, I could see that but the variety of worker ants would probably be alot different, so different that there might be some degree of specialization that occurs naturally as a result.

>>38633341
Oh the hairy ant was just an example of what I would assume to be many different forms of workers and warriors and reproductive ants

Question:

How are new gods made?

>>38633464
New gods essentially arise from divination and a bunch of people getting together and forming an identity to worship them, "I had a dream about a new chuuba! Come, we must gather and await their divine debut!" Or at least thats what I remember

>>38633226
https://rentry.org/txgts
Megas, another phase writer, already has wrote a lot of lore on this and I am afraid that you didn't read this because if you did, you would have been able to incorporate a lot of it into your own lore. Otherwise, nice work but hard to read sometimes and would desire more detail. Interesting flags, I think there is an old one that looks just like that.

>>38633515
Then how do you measure the age of a god? When they are divined? What makes a /hag/ goddess a hag then?

>>38633631
gods need not be born young

>>38633606
thank you for responding.

honest, i look over the pcclg lore and it was unintelligble to me, as someone who is not good at english. if something is contradict, i will change to fit in as needed. I all so dont know where this pcclg things fit so maybe you can help. I am srry about it being hard to understand and i plan to add details as i go along more and more. An old flag would be nice to see, i made that one myself.

>>38633658
Ok! Thanks!

>>38633784
Np, just be sure to do all your reps and ask questions because it can cause timeloops if you make lore that contradicts past lore. What i saw contradict was that you changed the language of some things, which is confusing and also goes against his syndenizing stuff he mentions. There is also the issue about the army lacking equipment in yours but not in his, and history discrepancies about voms crushing your army when in his its the other way around. Happy to help.

>>38633515
>>38633464
divinations are the common way to connect to the heavenly realm iirc. New deities are essentially deified when they start streaming on the usual platforms(those listed in >>1). But of course having the status of a god doesn't mean you are powerful. And chuubanite only forms when there are threads and splits that talk about the chuubas, since if not, there will be no chuuba related concepts. Since /hag/ religion has more of an umbrella pantheon with god from all over it really depends on how people in /hag/ decide whether a god is in their pantheon. If she meets the criterias of a hag then she will be considered a hag.
t. still haven't done my reps on what's been written for /hag/

>>38633943
thank you for this !!!

i do all the reps i can, i cannot understand megas writings much but that is my issue.
>language
i see, i will change it soon then. sol told me he was fine with it, but i didn't realize there was another rep for phase connect so i will get in line.
>equipment
i also see, and fix.
>history
No, i will stand on this as the voms rep is the one who wrote that, not me. you take issue with him if it is so because i will not try to make decision of who is right there. If lore contradicts over me, then i fix myself but if it is some other person, then they sort it out since I am not the judge of what is true or false. thank you for help.

>>38633943
>>38633606
With respect to Megas, I am siding with my new writer here and all of that which he wrote about in referenced material is non-canon as it was never run by me before he wrote it, he never asked anyone else about it that is involved in this piece, and I have made it clear that I am not going for this "advanced" tech stuff he wants. I also want to say that while I am very considered to other writers, I expect the same towards those I work with and the truth is I am the one who can mediate the discrepancies here. You may not like it, but that is how it will be done.
>>38633226
Great work! You already are doing wonderfully and I approve of all written with my whole heart. I appreciate the mixing of Greek and Slavic languages together. You clearly know what you are doing!

>>38634343
thank you sol !!! and good time, almost saved the change you disagreed with. I was at loss about things as i thought thread was the people who canonized lore, and still am but i listen to you since you are very nice and the main phase rep as i think?

>>38634473
It was good timing then! About canonizing lore, my duty as the pcg rep extends to all lore for pcg and whether or not it is canon, and to mediate discrepancies. The thread also has a say but I think I am being fair here considering it was not even under pcg lore but pcclg lore.

>>38634343
This is a problem because Megas came before you did, and still is the pcg rep by all accounts and reasons. It's disrespectful to him to push him aside like you have and even if you are the pcg rep, you need to find middle ground here imo.

>>38634624
I am not going to get into a discussion about semantics about who is the real rep considering I have voted and made my voice known for months now without this being an issue. I cast doubt on your intentions based on that, and that no one seemed to really care about what megas wrote until our new writer came along and published something that really isn't too related to what he wrote. In my opinion, you are just trying to cause issues for my new friend unjustly, probably as a troll.

To my new friend, please remember that if someone is trying to tell you that you did something wrong canonically with pcg lore, and they aren't me, that you should wait to hear what I say. I am not here all the time, but I try to at least lurk to answer questions.

>>38634822
Not that anon but let's not accuse each other of being a troll first. Also slight correction on reps, now instead of going with a single arbitrator of lore, meditators moreso should try to resolve any differences in lore. (https://rentry.org/vtwbg-intro#the-explanation-of-mediators-and-representatives-for-threads)) Though I doubt anyone would object your current role as the meditator-cum-rep of /pcg/ not least due to Mega's absence.
So while I agree that you should try to resolve the conflict with what the new anon has written with mega's work I don't really mind things that directly contravene with the phase war being scraped.

My ranking of /pcg/ writers
>Sol
>Mycology anon & New guy
>Literally everyone else
>Megas

>>38635126
If it was a false charge, then I apologize but forgive me for perhaps assuming that someone who brings up Megas' lore out of nowhere when the frank truth is not many people take it (This could be a false assumption) strikes me the wrong way. I see about the roles, that's fair in honesty. I just want our new writer to not be misled when it comes to things and changing all of their hard work whenever it can be simply resolved by explaining that I believe that their lore is canon myself.

>>38635464
*take it seriously.

Megas' lore is poorly written.
Might as well soft-reboot the whole thing. Salvage the good parts and the contexts, just rid it of bad military fantasy.

>>38635630
And since when are you the authority on good and bad lore?

>>38635929
Since he said it stoopid

>>38635999
Ah ok.

>>38635929
You guys are quick to dump Alice's and Warsuner's lore because it's 'bad'
Might as well do the same to Megas for his poor quality self-insert wank

>>38636067
>poor quality self-insert wank
So pomerlane saga is getting removed as well then?

>>38636118
Pomerlane Saga has multiple characters and POV, kept getting new chapters and development.
Megas Saga is just someone's map game AAR turned into a worldbuilding lore
I'm a hundred percent certain Megas based it off his Byzantium EU4 playthrough

>>38636118
Unironically yes

>>38636213
Ban women nanora!!

>>38636213
Might as well dump your lore first then.

Abandon bullshit have sex with squirrels

Let's not think of it as completely scrapping the whole thing. Rewriting some of the relevant lore by Megas into a more accessible rentry does sound like a good idea. Also let's not pile on Megas, or anyone else for that matter when they aren't here to defend themselves.
/pcg/'s lore can do with some organizing in anticipation to properly write the phase war and this could be a good opportunity.

>>38636327
I agree personally, I am not by any means scrapping his lore when I said non canon earlier, but rather the one specific document being referenced is non-canon for now since it barely follows what we had before. I am willing to work with anyone, and I extended my hand to him but he has not returned to fix it as I asked.

As for his lore, we shouldn't dump on it. He has passion for what he writes and I appreciate that.

Why is that every time someone new joins they are greeted with a timeloop

>>38636285
You know too little about the Candy Kingdom to have issues with its lore, that and you don't know which was written by who since I'm fairly sure at least three luknights contributed to our total lore doc nora.
But would be happy to hear your opinion on it, I've literally never heard a bad thing and its annoying.

>>38636478
There is an irony with what you have said, as indeed, I have not read your lore but at the same time, you want to throw out something that you yourself never read kek. I am fucking with you.

>>38636436
Tradition. Have to show them what they are joining into.

>>38636478
>3
Lunaito stop replying to your tulpas

>>38636436
Schizos are born through human malice. Rrats and schizos arise, almost naturally, when there are enough people. The thread's merely imitating the dynamics in Vitubia.

>>38636514
I've read a good bit of the pomerlane saga since I was around for its first part.

>>38636570
nta but do you seriously want to throw it out?

hey founder, whats your opinion on Megas lore? or just 'poor quality lore'

>delete all lore
>risuners take over everything
>the sex revolution is achieved

let us not shit on someone else hard work !!! i may not understand it but that is no matter !!! i am sure it has its worth.

>>38636672
>delete all lore
>starting with /risu/

>>38636672
sweetiepie, are you going to finish your story?

>>38636713 (me)
ξ◕◡◕ξ I miss you so much brother...

>>38633226
Good work, love. Excellent first piece of lore. I know nothing about military things but I think it is well written.

>>38636680
Just ignore them, new guy. The trolls here are hungry for drama.

>>38636875
Ty ty ty !!! i appreciate all love and kind words.
>>38636885
fair enough ty

>>38636530
I don't want to get rid of it but if someone wanted to remove it from the archives, I wouldn't particularly care.

>>38636990
>i-it's not like I like more lore or anything, BAKA!

>>38637035
PP saga isn't canon lore by his own admission

>>38637272
It would be appreciated if you stopped trying to twist the words of the dead kek. Leave him and retro alone.

>>38633226
Amazing work!!! You did great being creative and integrating existing lore!!!

>>38637444
Not twisting, he made it pretty clear from the very beginning that it wasn't canon and that he didn't expect it to be seen as such. No story is strictly canon, stories only imply or supplement lore, they're not substitutes.

>>38637701
>he made it pretty clear from the very beginning that it wasn't canon
You want to provide a source with that?

>>38637772
My source is that he said it near the beginning of the PP Saga.

>>38638052
I would kindly appreciate it if you did not make things up about what I have said in the past about my writings. I have never once stated this, rather that it is not perfectly accurate given that it is coming from a biased source. I will also bring up what this anon said once more:
> stopped trying to twist the words of the dead kek. Leave him and retro alone.
It's the least you could do for both of us, and I ask kindly for you to abide by this because this is a project built upon respect for others.

Have a nice day everyone, I am considering coming back in an advising role part time.

>>38638311
... pp... i wake up and see this...

>>38638311
PP, lore isn't a story. Lore is supposed to be something that can be read and understood in an objective sense.That's the entire point of writing lore in a way that other people can interact with.
I didn't pay much attention the whole kerfuffle about whether or not it was canon in the beginning but you need to draw a line in terms of how much is what it it's purely canonical.

>>38638311
>>38637444
Also why keep mentioning retro when he has nothing to do with this conversation?

>>38638489
he never said non-canon, when people were giving critique about the numbers in one battle which made it feel biased and a bit immersive breaking to some, he went and explained that this is suppsed to be a saga written with bias in it intended and not 100% accurate to the events as they have truly unfolded, which was something the thread was not used to at the time and wasn't made very clear to readers except for like one statement very early on that people underestiamted the impact of.

It is a Story, not Lore. Stories can have unreliable narrators as much as it wants, Lore is what should be accurate and unbiased because that is what depicts things of a nation that others also work with.

>>38638489
It's not my choice about canonicity and I am not debating this point right now though I totally disagree with what you are saying about stories for numerous reasons

It's more that you are peddling some bs that was never said by me ever. It is annoying to me that people such as yourself want to tell lies about what people who are not actively participating in the project anymore have said. If you admit that you didn't pay much attention, then you shouldn't say anything. It is absurd that myself and Retro have to come in here several times to "correct" matters because someone doesn't respect our words enough.

Lunaito, I get you want to be edgy, chaotic and cool but as I stated, this is a project built upon respect for others and you clearly aren't showing that when you want to lie about things the dead supposedly said.
>>38638700
Because he is in a similar situation to me because he has to come in to correct you guys over whatever drama.
>>38638725
Hello Retro. :)

>>38636838
I just got back from my haircut so I'll fucking do it now. And instead of panicking about details I'm just gonna write and whatever happens fucking happens.

>>38638815
Me btw. I spent a week trying to make it good instead of just doing it like I usually do.

I think we should all give some huge props to conlanganon for making a "I'm leaving, guys" post and actually doing it. What a chad. I hope he's happy out there.

I think so too but we should also write more and have sex with squirrels

>>38638781
There's a difference between a lie intended to actively spread misinformation and a miscommunication based off of false information, I already don't see a story as canon without supporting lore because of a variety of reasons but a story that specifically has intended bias shouldn't be considered canonical lore because it does not provide an objective account.
If you said that its a biased account and not entirely accurate than it's very reasonable to assume that it's also not strictly canonical especially given that stories have not been substituted for lore thus far. You're making it out to seem as though this was a random lie spread with harmful intent instead of an assumption based off previous statements.
The mention of retro does nothing in this discussion accept provide an aim for schizophrenics to intrude upon.
>>38638725
I accept that because that's what I thought and assumed the relationship always was, my big difference was that only lore is strictly canonical and stories are only canonical in relation to the lore that they reference.

>>38639275
Quite being self righteous and just accept that you fucked up by even bring that bullshit up. You move the damn goalposts to fit this in after you go "he made it pretty clear from the very beginning that it wasn't canon". ffs stop being a toxic asshole.

ABANDON STUPID ASS FUCKING DRAMA AND WRITE LORE WHILE FUCKING THIS SEXY VNUG GIRL

>>38639377
I like discussing stuff

>>38639038
stop bringing me up or at least just calling me plain "retro" so i don't have to see this each time i go archive hunting for chuubas that play retroo games and you can have your peace from me.

>>38639559
I was talking about PP, everyone knows you're always here retro kek. You're welcome back any time btw!

>>38639559
Referring to you as Ret from now on, be at peace

>>38639640
Ah its fine to tell someone to come back, but when they do, let's shit on them.

>>38639559
But we actually miss you! you dont come back to shit on good writers kek.

>>38639771
Yes unironically if they are someone as toxic as pp kek

>>38639864
this

Im telling you, there's counter schizos about.

I no longer know what the fuck is happening. Just write lore and have sex with anyone at this point.

>>38640076
Bitch you start, we've been talking about ants and sex and monkeys for a good few hours.
Show me what you got.

>>38639864
Now now, let's be fair, pp isn't toxic, it's the borderline sockpuppets that surround him that are.

i would be happy to discuss military things and lore ideas with it, but lurk enough to know that no one really has many thing to say on it !!! also hello pp <3 <3 <3

>>38640289
I would be more than happy to engage you with this. What's on your mind?

>>38640417
i am honoured that you want to )))
what is on my mind is first, how did you like what i wrote?
second, if you understand how realistic is the national strategy and army size? ??
third, if you know what the full picture is, put yourself as the Grand Domestic of Schools and tell me what you do to fix the problems our army has or if it is possible ???

>>38639377
>>38640417
Wait was that you or some schizo interloper?

>>38640140
I just got out of the shower go give me a few minutes. I actually am feeling ready to finish sapling story now. Well once I put on clothes that is.

>>38640634
No, I wouldn't hide my statements like that.

>>38640614
one minute.

Reminder to all that technology between everyone should be at IRL 1750 on average, the current year is 1130 VTE and just write niggers.

>>38640650
Not an excuse, I had most of the shoggoth discussion while in the shower, you're lagging squirrel man

>>38640800
Well I am a refined gentlemen and I will have my discussions while sitting at the computer with my shirt on and pants on, even If they are unzipped. Ok anyway brb you fuckers.

>>38640898
Greek philosophers didn't wear pants fool

>>38640614
>how did you like what i wrote?
It was very well done. Well organized, integrated existing lore as well and gave plenty of use for future lore. My recommendation, as you have stated already, is to build upon it. It does a great job now.

>second, if you understand how realistic is the national strategy and army size? ??
Numbers really do not matter too much and Phase is huge, so that was reasonable to me personally. I need clarification on the national strategy, having defense in depth like you suggested may be impossible but there are many factors that aren't free for me to know personally.

>third, if you know what the full picture is, put yourself as the Grand Domestic of Schools and tell me what you do to fix the problems our army has or if it is possible ???
This might be the most interesting question I have got in a long time.

If I were Demetrius Konstantinovich Tzipoureles, I wouldn't have all of the information that we the reader have. But I would perhaps have more in some areas such as finance. If I am being realistic, I would abandon the defense in depth concept and merely focus on strongpoint defense. The terrain in the region favors the defender and operating with interior supply lines is always easier. In event of a war against /vsj/, you would naturally hope 2434 would supply you but in case that does not happy, the strategy is to defend at key points and allow them to overextend themselves. Wear them down.

Now to the actual problems, there are likely so many that it would be overwelhming. Not only do you have the big external threat from the east, but your nation is crippled by the eastern empire and you have to deal with constant problems in the north. Risks need to be taken, but I am a risktaker so the natural idea would be for me to "pacify" the north in some way by launching a punitive raid, even if the CIO didn't like it. It could back fire, but hindsight is 20/20 and the position you are in is unenviable. I assume there would be consequences, but if anything you have just stopped a ulcer for some time so the next solution is simply working within your means to improve the quality of your army somehow. Get new drill instructors. Get better muskets. Get better cannons. Etc.

Overall, things are nigh impossible to be fixed in the status quo.

>>38641246
ty ty ty !!! Happy you liked it, and yes thank you about the cost factor with defense in depth. I realize that is issue.

Oooo, nice job with the overview from his perspective. I would want to die !!! it would be stress and endless pain having your hands tied with so many issues !!!

MORE QUESTIONS !!!
1. In such situation, how would commander motivate their troops ??? it would seem like nation is a rotten mess !!! I mention that young commanders are ready to lead to future but what do you think that means???
2. do you have any real life ideas to model reforms after for the army ???
3. how do you fight back against the CIO ???
<3 PP love you are amazing !!!

>>38641614
>1. In such situation, how would commander motivate their troops ??? it would seem like nation is a rotten mess !!! I mention that young commanders are ready to lead to future but what do you think that means???
Depends on how your nation as a whole is feeling at the time. A "Spirit" of a nation at a moment can lead to victory or defeat. A nation that is "depressed" is not going to recover per se without finding resolve. This sounds like pseudoscience perhaps, but I do think things such as "National Moods" exist. But answer the question, to motivate your soldiers:
1. Make sure they are paid and feed.
2. Give them a cause to fight for.
3. Having a naturally gifted speaker is always a good thing.

But its more complex that these obvious things and many things can be out of a commanders control, such as the aforementioned national mood. Professional Soldiers won't and absolutely should not have problems as long as you feed and pay them. But the conscripts are different, 2 in particular is meaningful to them. For the young commanders, they will want to embrace the patriotic sentiment that could come in the future and use it to inspire their conscripts to do things that are impossible seemingly, (which should answer 3. That's the secret.) Other factors can be down to discipline, disease, and weather even. In the end, feeding men, keeping them clothed, funded and giving them a purpose to die for means about everything.

>2. do you have any real life ideas to model reforms after for the army ???
Good question, look at Rev. France, Prussia Post-1806, and Russia during this period. Heck, study the napoleonic wars in general from all nations. It will be really helpful to you.
>3. how do you fight back against the CIO ???
As stated, patriotic sentiment. The CIO will slip up at some point and when the kettle boils over, there is little that can stop liberation, though it will be bloody. I don't have the exact details but that is the best bet.

Thank you, I love to talk with you about this.

>>38641988
AH TY TY TY !!! I am grateful for all the love and time you have taken to talk with me !!! it is nice to talk about something interesting to me as specbiology is not that much fun for me...

I see i see about what you have said and will do my reps now. Ty so much !!!

>>38642087
No problem, I love your enthusiasm and wish more people wanted to talk about this stuff too personally. Take care.

I love Seffyna she is my beautiful seiso K-Fairy gf
(ง -᷄ω-᷅ )ว ٩( -᷄ω-᷅ )۶(ง-᷄ω-᷅ )ว ( -᷄ω-᷅ و(و

>>38643185
Seffy love

>Introduces the world to the magic of perfect French toast.

>>38641988
>>38642087
Do you want to hire /hag/ mercenaries??? We fight well!

>>38644592
Would we call it Hooman toast?

>>38514483
More hag lore: https://rentry.org/wv9g7

>>38644791
I have better idea !!! we hire your mercenaries for breeding with other mercenaires to produce perfect soldiers together !!! Ty ty

>>38644925
extremely blessed tradition, I approve.

>>38645219
If you want to breed them, then you gotta marry them, but if you do then that is fine because that is the main goal of hag mercenaries to find husbands to marry!

>>38644925
Based ferility orgy rituals, we should have more of those. Are these a kind of annual thing when the hag goddesses start to age or is that separate?

>>38645299
TY, took what i asked today and created something around it!

>>38635630
Up to the rep/mediator whichever is the currently correct term.

>>38645362
Happens only once! Only when an old goddess reaches hagdom or a new goddess is created right into hagdom!
This year we breed for Marine!

>>38645335
It is the goal !!! Perfect minds think alike !!!

Saplings here?

>>38644925
>breeding
Based

>>38644925
please anchor this correctly

>>38514532
>Archive under "Hag"
https://rentry.org/wv9g7

>>38645643
GREAT!!! A hag wife will give you lots and lots of children, probably around 30 on average.

>>38645529
Based, I propose creating massive orgy boats for the occasion.
>>38645676
Where are your cool sex rituals squirrel?

>>38645700
You want hag mercenaries too???
>>38645712
GOMEN, i am still new to this!

>>38645790
Ohh, this is a great idea, i did not even think about making each festival themed around the goddess in question!

>>38645796
Any hawkish mercenaries? Moriji does so love Lui...

You guys are watching our island for us right? Protecting our borders? Current lore of pyon: we're having wild sex parties with Kiki all day and night, and by we I mean me. No time for politics sorry.

>>38645796
I just really like and appreciate breeding and pregnant bellies!

>>38645948
Dont worry champy, pyon island is a protected area by all. Also Kiki would tear the asshole off of anyone dumb enough to make a move on it.

>>38645877
Of course! Their good eyesight would make them part of the long range archers!

>>38645796
Dont worry, it would just be a shame to see it be forgotten

>>38645976
I see, i think we will get along well as breeding brothers. We should be strong allies!

>>38646011
Based, I will post here one day again when I'm not waging all the time, and anons in my own general stop being boring lurkers all the time

>>38645948
Yes, Pyon island has just been chilling navies and armies have been killing each other all over and around the small corpo continent.
>>38646021
Nice, we'll hire a few companies.

>>38645863
I wonder what we could do for Okayu's celebration when that eventually comes...

>>38646093
Aye!

>>38646105
Great, we will inform a few companies immediately about them being hired, i am sure plenty of companies are gonna be happy about this news. A lot of companies should be getting ready to board ships right as we speak. An abundant amount of companies should be arriving in your nation any minute now!

>>38645790
Nutting. Its all about nuts. I will clarify later let me wrap up the sapling shit

>>38646255
OK! Who are you?

>>38646269
Superb, they'll have plenty of work. As you might know, we have plenty of raids and wars going on at any given time. Great place to be for mercenaries.
And they should have no problems integrating into the local population, as well. We're very welcoming of foreigners.

>>38646487
Great! We shall take plenty of prisoners from these raids and wars and make sure to extract every last piece of information from them!
Also might i ask who you are? I just kind of saw a chance for fun and jumped into it but i have no clue what is what.

>>38646443
I’ve been more of a lurker in the past, I don’t really have a name. I am a kindred that likes writing specbio and sucks at stories, also I am one of the pregnancy kindred in my home thread

>>38646581
I'm deadbeat! I write for /morig/. Most of the time you see a deadbeat here it's gonna be me.

>>38646656
That's a Nijisanji thing right? Don't worry! /hag/ loves mature women no matter their origin, we are pro unity and i would never abandon a fellow breeder! We shall send hags over post haste.

>>38646801
Yeah, and though /nenmen/ is a male thread, some of the female inhabitants enjoy pregnancy and fantasize about being impregnated
Also sorry if I’m a bit rambily I am very sleep deprived

>>38646656
Anon resepect, will impreg lots of hags in your honor

>>38646730
Gotcha! Welcome to the list of costumers:
https://rentry.org/nazxa

>>38646952
No is fine! I am having fun! Also that is great, they are hags by heart, we truly are meant to be!

https://rentry.org/vdvn3

I did a thing. Some edits and a bit at the end for a quick wrap up because I had no idea how the initial talks would end. So fuck it. Here you are.

>>38644794
Alternatively we can call it Space Bread.

Do we have a baker-san?

>>38647819
Yes

>>38647895
Nice, baker love.

>>38647154
If you got trouble with other nations, do you want to hire hag mercenaries? We promise satisfaction in many ways!

>>38647895
Bread?

>>38648585
BREED!

>>38648585
Starve