/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Because NijiEN stained the brand

nijijps are genuine otakus and japs who don't really play characters
it's like watching more laidback fleshtubers and they're japanese
less clickbait clip material and you have to be up to date with the entire show because they strongly relay on personal stories and interactions
also i will say that nijisanji lost many popular jps

For Holo, their western fandom started with HoloJP. For Niji, their western fandom started with HoloEN.
The NijiEN fanbase is basically just ex-Holo hipsters and fujos, they have no connection to NijiJP whatsoever.

It probably kills the oldfags like shu elira and pomu that most of their coworkers weren't even fans of vtubers until holojp clips, or worse, luxiem.

EN vtubers shifted the market for EN clips

>>38348828
>no Haachama
>no Coco
>no Westaboos pandering
>no viral clips

because they filter normalfags and EOPs

it isnt really possible to be a fan of "nijiJP", there's no real throughline, no connection between the talents, it's just a few hundred people doing their own things. I'm a fan of a few individual people in niji but they have nothing to do with each other let alone the hundreds of random 2 views in niji

Susan killing community subs certainly didn't help.

>>38348828
Hololive had viral clips and HoloEN debuting at the exact right time. After that, a lot of Western fans stuck with what they knew and refused to venture out. The cultural differences don't help, with Nijisanji being based more upon NND and Japanese variety tv whereas Hololive is basically if the Love Live girls were streamers. The latter is much more familiar to Western weebs that the former.

>>38352939
Yep. Lack of community subs makes them inaccessible starting from their channels, and then the most clipped NijiJPs (Lulu, Gibara) from back then graduated, so that's not really an avenue. I guess you could ask why they don't attract that many new clippers, although I'd argue the JP-EN clip scene is pretty dead in general save for the hardcore fan clippers of a few big Holos like Marine or Pekora.

>>38348879
fpbp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ps6GB5EtI

>>38353725
>viral clips and HoloEN debuting
Are you forgetting a certain someone?

>>38354023
Is someone fucking her behind the camera? why are her eyes twitching like that?

>>38352435
This, one can also in a roundabout way say they're literally too Japanese for us to really get into because they're insular talking about shit we have no connection with. So in other words, they're just really, really boring to us.

The ones who got liked in the West a bit like Lulu in the OP is specifically because she was extremely Holo-like in attitudes and aims. However she is the exception more than the rule.

>>38355575
that's what the rigging for the original l2d models looked like

>>38348828
Because they have no taste. Hayama Marin and Nui Sociere are great.

>>38348828
Just a difference in culture. Long running series like Space Cobra, City Hunter and Kochikame are super ingrained in JP culture yet are completely unknown to the mainstream western audience.

Koshien was a really good introduction to me this year to check them out. Nui is amazing if you love jrpgs.

>>38349627
>Another big company
>hipster
Rumao

>>38349971
Kek, two of the iLuna girls became interested into vtubers due to Noctyx.

Because NijiJP is and still is aggressively japanese, EOPs had no easy clips to digest so they didnt know about them outside of people like Lulu, Rin cause of the pewdiepie that one time and a few Mito clips here and there.
Recently xqc payed hayama a visit and a few of his chatters stayed, but at least they behave.
While NijiEN has introduced NijiJP to a ton of people, NijiJP is still very much a japanese company and makes no particular effort to really court these fans toward their JP livers.

Noraneko's the only one who's strongly non-"normie" and might appeal to fans of Haachama/Coco type tubers, but she's impenetrable to EOPs. The most EN-like is Hoshikawa and she purposely alienates EN fans.
There's just nothing there.

>>38360111
>Recently xqc payed hayama a visit and a few of his chatters stayed
is that why she started saying HAYAYA

HoloJP felt like a smaller family back in 2020. Clips are often made by extremely dedicated fans who wanted to share their love, which Hololive attracted more of. Algorithm promoted Holo clips the most; most fans once they like one corpo don't have the time to care to support it's competition corpo. Holo pandered hard to appealing to and appreciating their kaigai niki. Even for fans who ended up liking one Niji Liver, it barely leads to liking any more; and there are too many Livers, leading to fans of NijiJP not having much less overlap for discussion of specific livers, where HoloJP had popular clippers and memes so that it was easy to get a grip on every Holomember. You are more of a fan of a specific JP Liver than "Nijisanji". The few JP Niji Livers who had EN clips graduated.

>>38349971
Elira had no idea what they were until millie showed them to her and pomu also pretends to be more of an oldfag than she actually is.

i watch alice whenever she streams guitar or asmr

>>38361232
Yes, she also called herself human for some reason and its become a little bit of a meme.
When she finished MGS2 her dogtags said human hayama and raiden saying he didnt know who that was sent her into a laughing fit.
>>38361573
And this post is just bullshit, Pomu especially considering who her oshi is.

>>38361079
there have been livers who've actively attempted to court overseas fans but so far it's all been smaller ones with more niche appeal like Utako, Chigusa, Akane, and Nagao. Comments from people like Noraneko and Mito make me think that most of NijiJP weren't even aware that they had any sort of overseas fanbase at all, so they never considered pandering to them until very recently.

>>38361079
>The most EN-like is Hoshikawa and she purposely alienates EN fans.
Where did this rrat even come from? Hoshikawa doesnt do anything different than the other hardcore JP livers.
>>38361890
Mito knew, she even asked them to draw more porn of her like a year or two ago.

It's only me and one other dude, no big deal actually

>>38348828
Basically this >>38355611
>they're literally too Japanese
A great deal of them still make zatsu-based content like the older days of vtubing so EOPs literally can't into their streams, that's just kind of how it is unless the chuuba panders to kaigainiki, which most of them don't. Some of them do their best to be EOP accessible though, it just takes a lot of digging or asking for recommendations to find the right person if you're new to the company because there are a fuckton of members. A lot of them aren't variety streamers either, they're willing to just spam the exact same game as much as they like and play nothing else for months on end, like right now the vast majority of them are binging pokemon for hours and hours day after day, and games like ark and apex and splatoon will have a chokehold on the entire company and things like that l and it's the kind of autism that western viewers generally aren't attracted to.
NijiEN has actually helped a lot for making JPs more accessible by having collabs and talking about them and interacting with them though, it's still probably not great for someone who doesn't know any Japanese but it has changed a little over the last year or so

>>38362344
This is a great summary anon.

>>38361967
When she got a big burst of EN fans, two years ago or so, she seemed flattered and "catered to them," prioritized their chats, etc. The usual for JP tubers at the time. Then it suddenly ended. Not sure what happened, or even if it was a conscious decision, but she stopped paying attention to EN messages, etc., until they went away. Or that's how it seemed. She *did* lose those people.

>chinkflu happened
>vtuber boom in the west
>holochads embraced the tourists
>hipster nijifags gatekept them
It's not really complicated

>>38348828
Because western nijifans are the equivalent of normies who avoid hololive because "idol culture bad" and go out of their way to put nijisanji on a pedestal beause of it. they can even be asked to even try to watch the jp members because that requires effort and dedication, while western holofans will wake up at 3 am or 5 am to watch their oshi reveal a new outfit or perform on stage

>>38355575
welcome to vtubing when it had SOVL

>>38351818
I agree, mostly, but technically they do have few viral moment, for example that one girl pewdiepie react to, clips of ars picked by algorithm for a while, Minecraft house bombing(idk who).
They just never capitalise the moment and simply let the trend died out.

>>38362856
>hipster nijifags gatekept them
You're shitposting, but this is actually true. Most Nijisanji fans in the West were literally anti-Hololive in 2020-2021.

>>38363340
>Nijisanji fans in the west
All of 2 of them prior to EN? Never mind the fact that the most like girl by EOP was a hololite one.

>>38348828
>Lulu, ArsAlbio, Roa, minecraft server interactions(thanks to their own psycho fans btw) all died within the same year when the en clips was getting as much traction as holo ones.
I have placed a deadly curse on anycolor, and only when the sleeping princess Roa Yuzuki awake from her dreams will this curse end.

>>38356098
>City Hunter
Kino series. And here's a cute cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2oBYTQgU2k

>>38363428
There was a decent number of them. I would know, because they kept saying Hololive was poison to JP purity.

https://youtu.be/m4ER4J2H-J8
This clip is how I discovered Levi and shes my oshi now. Amazing singer to.

>>38348828
I like Lulu

>>38348828
Because you aren’t making translated clips

>>38363676
they were right

>>38360111
>While NijiEN has introduced NijiJP to a ton of people
lol
the release of nijien marked the end for officially translated clips and puchisanji
the english nijijp clipping scene is more dead than ever too with the algorithm favoring en

>>38348828
Most people who aren't Japanese don't understand Japanese.

>>38369046
More bullshit from #.

>>38348828
No memes

>>38369250
damn, the official channel didn't stop translating? where are all these thriving clipping channels getting views without spamming jp/en interactions and focusing on drama?

>>38369114
though you can learn japanese pretty fast.

I'm primarily a NijiEN fan but basically know nothing about NijiJP. Honestly, for me it's just because there's such an insane number of members that I've just never looked closer. I'm sure they're great though.

>>38348828
no lulu no watch
simple as

>>38372847
The ability to learn nihon despite how easy it is, is irrelevant if an EOP is too lazy to give effort, which is very common nowadays.

It actually and unironcially filters eops which is why /2434/ is one of the most civil generals here.

strict border secueity

>>38348828
Big EOP filter. Lots of members and lots of zatsu-heavy content. Then there's former members like Lulu and Gibara who have plenty of "fans" on this board who discovered them around that 2019-2020 boom whose content fell into the same realm of "cute anime girl do thing and make noise" that served as a big hook for all of the vtuber newfags.

Then there's the part where all of the subbing channels rode the wave that the chinks started with Holo content and taking over everyone's Youtube feed.

Is there any reason that Oliver never comes up in these conversations

>>38362856
>embracing tourists
>chad

>>38378877
same reason ako and rine never do: they don't watch them.

>>38378877
Oliver honestly doesn't speak all that much English in his streams, even when he called into Petra's totsumachi the other day he mainly spoke nip.

>>38363340
>Most Nijisanji fans in the West were literally anti-Hololive in 2020-2021
Then they're fucking retarded because many NijiJPs and HoloJPs are good friends and often collabed in the past, some still do.

>>38348828
Imagine if pic related reached out to Hoshikawa and expanded the brand together in the west before Asacoco even become a thing
Everything is her fault

>>38348879
fpbp

.

>>38352435
>it isnt really possible to be a fan of "nijiJP", there's no real throughline, no connection between the talents, it's just a few hundred people doing their own things.
This is absolute fucking mind-bogglingly ignorant nonsense. Ever heard of NijiKoushien or NJU? Those are only the tip of the iceberg, Nijisanji has done shitloads of stuff that brings the community together.

>>38348828
Lack of clippers is probably a contributing factor. Hololive really exists today because of clippers and subtitles, as cringe as that is to admit.

>>38362856
>holochads embraced the tourists
>hipster nijifags gatekept them
This is just a ridiculously malicious interpretation of the fact that Hololive had (and still has) a bigger English clipper scene. As for why that is, my theory is that since Hololive is more geared towards anime otaku it was more attractive than Nijisanji for the type of person that would dedicate massive amounts of their time to translating anime girls playing video games.

>>38387440
Hololive is for otakus
Nijisanji is by otakus
this is the main difference I'd say

>>38353725
Hololive also draws heavily from NND and Japanese variety TV, don't misrepresent them.

We watch streams and don't spend so much time shitposting here.

>>38348828
They are the joshiraku of the vtuber industry

Only those who truly understand Japanese can understand nijijp.

>>38390046
rightly said anon

>>38381583
I am and always have been anti hololive. the vtubers are fine I just hate everything else about it. Holofags get their panties in a twist any time someone points out how obnoxious they are, watch, if anyone replies it will be >no u

>>38348879
this anon got it