/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>3798527
Idols somehow block out the whore energy. It's retarded but this is the answer you're getting and people will insist it's correct and that I am a faggot for suggesting it is not.

>>3798527
Lewd is fine, anon. VShojo is boring though.

>>3798527

I'm not, I hate both.

>>3798527
I’m not fine with it. Fetish pandering makes me cringe

>>3798527
Because I like the Hologirls
I don't like Vwhorejo and Nijifaggots

SIMPLE AS

>>3798608
>boobies are evil on both sides
At least you’re consistent.

>>3798527
There's a difference between Coco's vulgar jokes and veibae literally going "UH YAH I FUCKING LOVE SUCKING THE FATEST COCKS. I'D DO IT ALL DAY IF I COULD BRO".

>>3798639
pretty much this

>>3798527
I hate it on both sides its not funny

>>3798669
They're both whores with stupid voices, I can't see the difference.

>>3798527
Give me examples of Holo's lewd jokes besides Marine and clip memes.

>>3798527
I'm okay with both.

>>3798747
Ok, zhang.

pink cat boring

>>3798747
You likely lack the ability to detect nuance then. Common symptom of autism or being German.

>>3798669
But Coco literally says that too.

>>3798816
OK link me a clip or stream with timestamp, because I'm pretty sure there'd be a clip about it with a million of views if she did.

PINK
CAT
BAD

>>3798527
you tellin me you're watching e*glish chuubas?

>>3798527
Because there's an insinuation with Hololive culture that they're against being like whores, even if they act like it. They may say sexual shit, but then they pander to their gachi and say shit like "I'll never get a boyfriend because I don't want you all to be lonely"(Marine) and "You don't want me to ever collab with a guy, right? If you're a real fan, you should never want me to collab with men"(Pekora) and "Don't worry, we're way too much of a mess to ever go out with a guy, it's impossible, we're too weird, it'll never happen"(Coco+PPT), not to mention the literal dozens who have outright gone ahead and specifically said that they won't do collabs with men going forward.

I'm fine with women acting slutty, occasionally. But it has to pair with some level of implied IRL celibacy. This has a number of benefits. One, it keeps the humor as just that- humor. Two, it helps keep shippers away. I fucking HATE shippers. They ruin everything, they ruin any sort of fun you have flirting with the vtuber as an audience member, especially when they fucking jump on you saying "lmao, too bad she's taken by X haha". Seriously, kill yourselves you fucking faggots.

There's a very different feel to pretending to be a whore and being an actual whore. It's that simple. People's real life behavior will always, always, always filter out onto stream. Anybody who thinks IRL circumstances don't effect their on-stream behavior is lying to themselves, and it's not even a particularly good lie, either.

>>3798749
>clip memes
But anon everything lewd they say gets clipped.

>>3798845
Just trust me, dude.

>>3798527
It’s okay when holos do it.

Because it's not their entire personality, it's just a small aspect of it. When they say lewd stuff it comes off as more spontaneous than Vshojo. I personally don't have a problem with Niji because I haven't watched their debuts yet, by the way, so I'm ONLY talking about Holo. Take for example when Ina was streaming Call of the Cthulhu she was nice, normal, the same reserved girl that we all know and love...except when she saw that one character and wanted her to step on her. Even then it was just a quick moment, nothing more.

>>3798527
I don’t know, if you analyze the parts where the holos do lewd things it’s pretty obvious that in most of the cases is on purpose like the recen feet on table TankFish scenario, so yeah both of them do lewd shit on stream, Vshoujo does it much more directly and much more often, for example I remember that time mousy said something about how she would love someone dressing her up as a doll and fucking the shit out of her while collabing with merry and Connor, I like iron mouse overall but started liking her less since she started vshoujo and changed her outfit, I’m fine with Melody doing lewd shit because she is straight up a camgirl, when you tune into her stream you expect to find porn, you see her as a porn actress so it’s fine, as for the others I don’t know much, the fact that zentreya doesn’t speak tells me she’s either a tranny or something else although many said that she is a female and that she doesn’t speak because it’s part of her character as a famous vrchat personality or something idk from the few clips I watched of her she seems fun and would totally watch her if she spoke normally, froot I don’t know almost anything about her, she is supposedly “pure” but I don’t know if it’s a meme or if she really is, I heard some shot about her cheating on her fiance Idk I don’t care about her, silverale I just don’t like her model, and I don’t know anything about Veibae, as for Nyanners is the only one I truly dislike, not for being SJW which just would be one more person in the group of SJWs that Twitter has, but ratter because she is SJW while also having loli avatar and denying that her fanbase like like loli, overall vshoujo is fine for Me except they ruined iron mouse for me and I dislike Nyanners

>>3798527
/vt/ is full of hypocrites.

I'm not against lewd or crude humour, I'm against unfunny humour. I have no problem with most Nijis, although quality wise they're more hit-or-miss than hololive. Vshojo is bottom of the barrel content though, how anyone is entertained by that astounds me.

>>3798527
Key word is moderation, if you keep it vague and occasional then it sounds like you're making a risqué joke. People shitposted about Kiara's Uno jokes for a week because it was extended and explicit. Knowing when to stop is an important part of being entertainer instead of a random child with downs that found a microphone. V-shoujo has demonstrated as a company that they want to be the streamers who leap over the line instead of skirting it, and the mermaid seems like she wants to take that course as well. Coco and Haachama established that they wanted to push the line of decency and a lot of people dislike them for it.

>>3798527
Some anons here like >>3799304 get it.
Comedy = incongruity. Hololivers exercise more self-control and restraint, with people like Sora acting like a beacon of seiso, and the face of hololive. In general, Seiso is valued at hololive, while the bawdy ones like Coco are exceptions. Consequently, when they temporarily stray away from it, you feel that it is incongruous, and thus funny.

>>3798791
This is the real issue. Hololive girls play coy and do a little teasing, but it's much tamer than what you'd normally find elsewhere. Their semi-restrictions make them be more cleaver than their counterparts with what they're talking about. Nuance and restrictions create a better casual listener and Gosling experience.

>>3798527
Because Yurifags

I'm cool with both. This long-winded justification of why one is right and the other wrong is tiring.

>>3799304
They bitched about it because it was Kiara who did it.

>>3798527
They seem pretty tame with the lewdness except for maybe Kiara. I know Ame used to be pretty lewd in the past but any time I've watched recently she hasn't been.

Cool when Japanese girls do it because they're upbringing is different from girls in the West.
Westerners are just naturally whores.

>>3798527
Nyanners devoted an entire stream to putting a reverb effect over that stupid fart clip and playing it every time she died in the game she was playing. Do you really not see how that is different from Coco making a few passing butt-plug jokes?

>>3798527
Hololive lewd is mostly implicit, it requires the viewer to intemperate it in a certain light to be lewd. It's also not the core content but a nice bonus.

Twitch whores just used the words plainly to shock the audience just to be edgy fags. It's basically click bait with no substance beyond le shock value to create low effort forced maymays.

>>3799695
What else is there to discuss? I'm sure you're already posting in your Oshi's splinter threads and maybe some mass thread if you like it. Otherwise it's rrats, clips, and speculation.

Which Holo is this crude?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFWNbs5fgz4

I'm just a hypocrite, like my oshii.

>>3798527
Wtf are you talking about? Every single one of them is a whore

>>3799937
>it requires the viewer to intemperate it in a certain light to be lewd
You have to have the social skills of a sack of bricks to think this. Dude chest, dude suck.

>>3799904
I'd say butt-plug jokes are far more vulgar than fart jokes

>>3799947
Based, my favorite thing about the EN girls is that they don't tell us about their boyfriends and how much they like looking at and feeling up big cocks. (with the exception of Calliope "A Crumb of Dick please Sir" Moron and Takanashi "Turned Dyke by Mecha Fight" Kiara)

>>3798527
They are based

>>3798527
Lewd and interesting/entertaining/funny/etc is good. Lewd because it's all you've got is cringe and pathetic.

>>3798527
hololive's is usually funny, for the most part niji's and vshojo's isn't
simple as that

>>3800185
>I'M HORNY
so funny...

>>3798527
>articulate why you're okay with Hololive's lewd humor, but Niji and Vshojo crude humor is the behavior of twitch whores.

Holo play Kayfabe
VShojos dont Kayfabe (notice no one cares that Mouse or Melody makes crude jokes as they do the other members)
Nijis lack direction

It's because I'm familiar with the track record of the person behind the chuuba, which is important for contextualizing her actions. I do not have a problem with, say, Marine or Miko making lewd jokes because I can refer to literally years' worth of their activities to see how much their words and actions correspond. By contrast, if you look at certain of the other groups mentioned by the OP and the members who belong to them--some of which include people who were tumblrites, people who are or were avowedly anti-4chan, and people who are camwhores or actual adulterers--I have a hard time laughing.
Also, it's a total false equivalence to put Nijisanji on the same level as the other group you mentioned. I am not going to tar the whole company just because admitted scammers like Gunjo exist.

>>3800228
Thing is, Marine is funny and keeps people entertained. She is also not vulgar in her speech, just overly sexual.

>>3799647
So what your basically saying is it allows you to imagine their your girlfriend so you like it better. That shit just feels so fucking fake to me. It’s sad how so many people cope by partaking In GFE

>>3800371
>She is also not vulgar in her speech, just overly sexual
Translation from Holosimp: I like her so it's okay when she does it.

>>3800432
>>3800228
Deal with it nyanners.

>>3800450
You wish you were talking with a girl faggot.

>>3798869
what did pink cat do to you?

>>3800411
>It’s sad how so many people cope by partaking In GFE
It’s sad how so many people cope by partaking in drinking
It’s sad how so many people cope by masturbating to pornography
It’s sad how so many people cope by doing drugs

who gives a fuck lmao

>>3800411
>It’s sad how so many people cope by partaking In GFE
Where do you think you are?

>>3798527
HoloEN go out of their way to not be so lewd and crude, and they even try not to swear so much. retard.

>>3800432
>Holosimp
Venti get some help

>>3798527 see >>3798639

>>3798888
Underrated quads. Your roommate personality leaks. That's why Mori is doxxbeat in chief, Kiara, why Nyanners has somehow an audience even more insufferable than Gura's (Don't believe me? Look up what her chat did to Jerma's), and why Ironmouse is liked by pretty much everyone.
Your charisma shines, be it good or bad.

>>3800371
Marine's banter is S tier. She can hold an audience's attention with nothing but her talking, the lewd shit is just a flourish. Vshoujo feels like they say over the top sexual things as a crutch because they're not as good at talking to their audience.

>>3800411
Same shit could be said about watching any type of reaction streamer. That feeling of watching and laughing "with" the streamer is just a substitute of a irl friend.

>>3799046
>when you tune into her stream you expect to find porn
Surprisingly, in her solo twitch streams, she either just teases or analyzes it clinically.
>how she would love someone dressing her up as a doll and fucking the shit out of her
Anon, she's a literal latina living in a bubble. Her libido must have its own chart nowadays. Also, she was pretty open about her current model and her desires since the early days.

>>3800644
I agree but GFE fags take it to another level by being extremely possessive and volatile. Not to mention they want every Vtuber to be GFE or a idol and if they aren’t. That makes them a whore for some reason.

>>3798888
>8888
>hachi hachi hachi hachi
>pachi pachi pachi pachi
>quads are applauding this post

>>3800228
Marine's character is that is a retarded, sexually repressed Otaku. It is in character for her. Vsluts don't even have a personality, much less a character they're playing

>>3800835
>possessive
So? I don't get this obsession with "live and let live" as if it's some universal virtue
HUMAN CONNECTION IS NOT A NEGATIVE
WANT OF EXCLUSIVITY IN SOME DEGREE IS NOT A NEGATIVE
It's just you faggots who paint it as such without EVER backing it up why except "hurr durr you don't control them" nigger fuck you explain yourself don't rely on bullshit canned responses, why would you think your perspective comes across in any reasonable fashion when your opinions are stated in such a way as to only appeal or come across to people who share your world view?!
>volatile
Part and parcel of being possessive.

Wouldn't it suck if all groups acted the same?

>>3798527
Hololive usually limits themselves to occasional double entendres and stealthy references. They space them out a lot better and supplement those types of jokes with other styles of humor so it doesn't get stale.
The other Vtubers tend to lean into the "DUDE SEX LMAO" aspect of their humor a lot more frequently, which makes them feel more shallow. Plus when they do make crude jokes they're often much more explicit by comparison.

>>3801021
No, everything must be just like Hololive.

>>3800835
>NONONO DONT MAKE FUN OF MY OSHI, I HATE YOU YOU'RE BAD
Literally the mentality of a child, no wonder you're a Vslut viewer

>>3801001
>I WANT EXCLUSIVITY
Maybe if they were your actual girlfriend that would make sense but you don’t even know them you Sperg. GFEfags are no different then the Chinese honestly. Say one wrong thing or do one wrong thing and you guys flip your shit.

>>3800411
My Oshi talks a lot about herself and tells real life personal stories a lot. I think she rides a fine line between giving too much info and making me feel like I'm still dating someone. She complains about things to the chat she doesn't like, uses us as an ear, and also uses us as therapists. It makes her feel real and the last couple steps that would make it real is obviously 1 on 1, anger at us, and actually expecting anything beyond being a listener and giving some helpful info.

>>3801021
No, everything must be just like Vshojo

>>3798527
Hololive lewd:
>Gura do you have anything to add?
>Boobies.

Vshojo lewd:
>I WANT TO LICK YOUR PUSSY

Aside from Melody being an actual camslut(no offense), has VShojo done anything even remotely as sexy as Haachama's dance?

>>3800835
My Oshi isn't all mine. I know this and it makes me limit myself. I will sub to her and occasionally donate when I think of something that might actually get her attention (without spending 50/100 dollars). She owes me nothing but does so because it both makes her bank account feel better and makes her feel better (she's wanted to be an idol and has been an idolfag for a long time). She enjoys getting attention from the chat and won't hand out GFE easily. She refuses to do dating streams and doesn't like the idea of having an official daki, but encouraged her simpers to get one if they want to. I know any day she could completely change and stop doing the things I love about her, but knowing that most people like her for those reasons, I don't think she'll change drastically any time soon.
I will love and support my Oshi!

In other words, normalfags (often overlaps with clipwatchers) can't fucking get the gist about the difference between well-timed lewd and over-the-top lewd.

>>3801145
>You can only want exclusivity from your GF
Defend your opinion instead of calling everybody who disagrees with you a sperg.
>no different than the chinese
Except dozens of reasons were given to zhangs before turning on them, and zhangs had a track record prior.(dead rabbits on twitter, giving Pekora an actual panic attack). Also, zhangs don't care about the vtuber, even in a selfish way. They admitted to as much.
See, this is how you defend an opinion, you fucking retard.

>>3800547
>>3801378
this

>>3798527
it's more nuanced and spaced between, at least on EN side. ID doesn't really push those buttons, unless you're Ollie. JP however for hololive seriously needs to fucking rein in the lewd bordering on grotesque

GFE is cringe, but becoming disinterested in girls that act whorish is normal and hololive is not exempt from this

My oshi isn't mine but if she wants my bank account than she better act like it

>>3798527
Holos try to behave like humans

Vshojo whores and nijiniggers behave like subhumans, they literally have less braincells in general

>>3802692
I mean i feel bad for adding nijis down there with shojowhores but some of them behave like rats, not everyone

>>3798527
they used it more sparingly. you can only say nigger so many times before people start thinking you are actually racist.

>>3802910
But what if i am a black vtuber

>>3802996
I wouldn't find you racist, but annoying as fuck. I not sure about most people, but I find that word to be really cringy when used casually. I see it as same as I see fart jokes and puns.

>>3798527
For me "crude humor" is not at all an issue. I just think when vei and silvervale talk about getting fucked and drinking cum it's undignified and unpleasant to listen to

>>3798888
/thread

>>3798527
Pretty sure the hololives hold back and maintain plausible deniability. Objectively they won't say "dick/cock" in a sexual context (I think), and they just definitely tease more about it.

>>3798527
They are like that one friend that keep bringing up shitty overused lewd joke that annoy almost everyone that talked to them.
And yes, that's a big problem. You can't just say just deal with it.

There's no difference. It's just most people here can't speak nip so they don't understand how vulgar most girls are. Gura, Kiara, and Ame are all degenerate sluts who've taken miles of cock over their lives and sent thousands of nudes. Mori is unironically a turbo autist and Ina is one of those asian girls with a low libido that pretends to be a masochist to seem quirky.

>>3799947
Why does this make me feel angry? Why does it create this feeling revulsion to the unnatural?

>>3803691
Good Summary. People turn a blind eye to Hololive. But then call other vtubers whore's for no reason. the hypocrisy is astounding

>>3803691
Zhang onahole hand typed this

>>3803691
>>3803787
Come the fuck on. >>3799947 The only Holo even close to this level of vulgar degeneracy is Matsuri.

>>3798888
based

>>3799947
She won't talk about it on stream but Towa

>>3798527
Depends on if they can manage to make it playful banter that's still able to respect certain boundaries (even Marine manages this) or if they just cheaply whore themselves out with explicit statements like Vshoujo does. To me it seems they try to make up their lack of entertaining qualities with obscenity which repels me.

>>3803691
I dunno anon I speak Japanese and for example Ayame virtually never talks about things like this.

>>3798527
Not sure specifically, but I think it has to do with the tastefulness, execution and relatability of the humor. In general, avoiding clips and trying the streams themselves is always the better option.

>>3803737
The combinations of the disgusting voice and the disgusting words is too much

>>3803853
They're baiting since the thread is so resoundingly one-sided, I wouldn't be surprised if it's one person replying to themselves

>>3800355
>By contrast, if you look at certain of the other groups mentioned by the OP and the members who belong to them--some of which include people who were tumblrites, people who are or were avowedly anti-4chan, and people who are camwhores or actual adulterers--I have a hard time laughing.
This. Not only are Vwhorejo and nijiniggers vulgar and over the line, they're human garbage as well. Makes it way harder to forgive shit like this or overlook it

>>3799947
I will never, ever complain about Kiara's voice again, holy shit.

Let me put it this way:

Holos have a lot of things going for them aside from the horny. Even Marine who's been butchered by the clip fags is not just the horny, she can be very insightful and chill. The horny is just something that sometimes happens.

Matsuri on the other hand may be a degen but you'd have to be blind to think that's her whole personality, she's a very open person about what goes on in her head, more than most choobas.

Whereas you look at Vshojo and it's just horny random twitch humour eksdee. Outside of the outliers of Froot and ironically Mel.

So in short: Vshojo are on 24/7 when it comes to the crude horny shit while Holos make it feel more natural and earned for lack of a better phrase. And as one anon pointed out, it doesn't help that some of the Vshojo girls are primed and willing to do a 180 on the drop of the hat

>>3804061
Ayame is the purest chuuba

>>3804767
Spacing aside, this is a pretty good take, on both Hololive and Vshojo. When the banter between your talents is so vulgar that it makes the actual sex worker recoil, it might be a problem.

Because holocucks have lower standards for holowhores.

>>3804900
You try writing it into a tiny box on a 4K monitor lol

That aside. I think I figured how to say it even better. Hololive chicks are at worst that chick that makes a joke about her boobs once in a while and tells you a story about how she made out with a girl.

Vshojo (most of it anyway) would be that girl that will tell you how many dicks she took and everyone knows she'll suck your dick for a carton

>>3805067

Marine, who is 'all about being horny', doesn't even come close to the level of shit most of the vshojo girls say, both in how vulgar it is and how often it happens.

>>3798527
I'm a proud brand fascist. Niggersanji and Vshit both can burn in a cleansing nuclear fire.

>>3798527

Hololive lewd pretty much always comes off in a joking manner. Yeah Marine might play the "haha so horny" but but it's just that, a bit. These Vshojo have nothing else going for them so they have to turn it up to 11 to retain attention.

A fart joke is fine though and people need to get over it.

>>3805159
>I want to touch boobs
really hits different then
>Unleash the piss

>>3805281
Even if it wasn't all a bit, she just comes off like a woman with a libido not a horny crude bitch

>>3798527
I'm fine with hololive's random lewd stuff because it's random and doesn't comprise large parts of their content. vshitshow is primrarily composed of washed up camgirls that still want to pretend to be pornstars. bit of gap there. and I quite seriously have no feelings for or against anything pertaining to nijisanji.

>>3798845
>Admitting to being a clipfag
kys

>>3800411
>your
Fuck off

>>3798845
>Admitting to being a clipchad
based

>>3798888
That's equally as retarded if not more retarded because if you were doing your reps, especially if you speak japanese fluently, it will instantly show you that the majority of holos are/were whores or are non virgins. You'll never date your oshi or meet them anyway.

Do you mean to tell me you only care about an honest whore, not a lying whore?

>" You guys I'll never get a boyfriend, I only like cute girls and my chat!"
>Yep, that's enough for me, definitely not lying

hypocrite

Pointless thread
Every post in this thread that hate niji and vshojo only do so because of clips they saw, they've never seen actually experienced those other streamers.
They're clipfags who unironically call out other people for being hololive clipfags.

>Marine isn't always horny you retarded clipfag
>Vshojo are all whores, I saw it from a clip

That kind of thing

>>3798527
i don't mind vshojo humor but i sure wouldn't waifu any of them. tho with nyanners i still harbor an ember of seeth at the hypocrisy.

>>3805692
Then stop fucking making it, retard. Nobody here is ever going to like your dirty whores

>>3798527
I don't mind lewd comments/jokes, it's only an issue when
1. it's too often, aka the frequency of it
2. it's forced, instead of genuinely coming up as part of the natural flow of the stream
Quite a few VShoujo force it too much and it feels like lewd jokes for the sake of it

>>3804767
>Twitch humor
Thanks for revealing the real reason I fucking hate vshojo. Twitch humor is trash and I feel like the Holo (and Niji) do a better job 'cultivating' in-joke humor that may have some reflection on internet humor at large, but generally is inside jokes for their chats. You have Vshojo who are spouting of shit like 'DEGEN POGGERS LOL' vs something like Ame's playful banter with chat. One feels shittly manufactured to get the casuals all pumped up and the other is a genuine reflection of the interactions built up over time between chat and streamer. And no, it wouldn't be better if the vtuber used 4chan lingo/humor instead of Twitch chat shit.

>>3798527
It's a matter of class. Lewd content makes a smaller percentage of the average holo stream than the average vshojo stream, so it's not the core focus barring some ASMR stuff. I've tried watching nyanners on several occasions, and each time I just left it was something sexual going on like her in a child's swimsuit talking about her dumpy.
TL:dr; Hololive has it's focus on things other than lewd shit, whereas vshojo is a collection of perverts and titty streamers with succubi avatars whose fans claim they're "totally not focused on lewd shit" and never back up what they say.

>>3798527
The lewd jokes from vshoujo doesn't hit me as hard because I expect them to be making tits cocks cum jokes. When someone like Gura says stupid shit about toes it hits different because you do not expect it.

>>3798527
Who cares what I'm okay with? Niji and Vshojo can attract an audience however they choose to. I won't be watching and I'm not asking that they make content that caters to me.

>>3805626
I can speak Japanese, timestamp the streams where the biggest GFE holos admit to having sex. Do it, faggot. If it's as common as you say, you should be able to think off the top of your head of where it was said.

>>3810827
They won't because they're just little shits who dislike idol culture and shit all over it because their EN vtuber talks straight out about getting fucked/wanting to fuck other men.

>>3800147
You missed the point. It's not about vulgarity it's about frequency. I don't hate Nyanners, but she does love running a joke into the ground. Generations growing up with Family Guy are prone to it.

Source: Am in that generation.

>>3800228
> he's never seen a shabbysubs clip or attended a Marine Zatsudan

>>3798527
It's fine when Hololive does it because it isn't the only way they get views. For a handful it might be, but you can just simply watch another holo to avoid such an experience.
It's fine when Nijisanji does it because there's over 100+ streamers, and a majority of them don't hyperfocus on that content. If one of them does, you just watch someone else.
It's a 'problem' when Vshojo does it because it's the only thing they have going for them, and the MAIN way they all get views. It's what they specialise in, and it's their main draw over
>gaming ability
>singing/musical talent
>likeability

That being said, there isn't inherently anything wrong with that, it just can come off as a bit tasteless sometimes when you're not in the mood. Holo and Niji lewdness is like an evenly spread jam on a slice of toast; slathered on enough to give you a nice helping, but thin and infrequent enough to leave you wanting more. Vshojo is like eating directly from the jar; you're getting the taste, but now it's just overbearing, and you aren't even enjoying that lewdness with a nice side of zatsudan bread or epic gamer eggs and bacon.

>>3802366
>GFE is cringe
never is, never will be

>>3798888
>the literal dozens who have outright gone ahead and specifically said that they won't do collabs with men going forward.
Can i get some examples so i know for sure which ones aren't whores?

>>3798527
Call me when theres a somnophile vtuber

>>3798888
>You don't want me to ever collab with a guy, right?
Wait this is a fear?
Oh no I'm being cucked by the dreaded online conversation!

>>3798747
Based

>>3798888
>flirting with the vtuber as an audience member
Schizo

>>3816726
You shouldn't mock people for their mental illness, they can't help it.

>>3799854
>he doesn't know

>>3800506
You can't compare gfe to drinking or wanking, because gfe is literally just schizos being possesive of actual, real people, while if you fuck yourself up drinking, or get a porn addiction, all you're gonna ruin is yourself.

>>3800835
This, GFE schizos just take it too far

>>3798527
I don't really watch vshoujo or Niji and personally don't care if they use lewd humor but I will pretend it matters if it will trigger nijiniggers

>>3808502
Finally a good, non schizo explanation.
I understand why vshojo turns me off so bad now

>>3814624
>never will, never will be

>>3816426
Holy based

>>3798527
Their brand of humor isn't my taste

>>3816726
You've seen people's reactions to mori and connor right? Ollie and connor? How new are you?

>>3799947
Tower...

>>3816843
Pretty sure Lamy straight up said that almost verbatim, she got flustered when finding out a deal of chat wasn't old enough to drink since she imagined chat (like her) where also getting tipsy and flirty.

>>3816843
>His oshi isn't as mentalilly ill as himself
Weak shit

>>3798527
Hololive and Niji both do it within limits. Vshitshow does it ceaselessly.
Vtubers that are dedicated to just being fanservice titty-fests like Hime Hajime and Silvervale are silly, though I won’t say that they shouldn’t be allowed to exist, I mean if people want to watch titty bouncing then that’s just their preference for the kind of media they enjoy (I cant imagine what that must be like), I only have a problem with it when they try to argue that these Vtubers are in any way good or entertaining outside of the sex appeal, lol. I just think it’s kinda dumb to inject needless sex appeal into every form of media. Especially when it’s shoved into streams that are otherwise…uh, normal and fun because they have cool content I guess? Vshojo often uses lewdness as a crutch because the rest of the stream isn’t good so they have to make up for it by going “HEY LOOK TITTIES AND PANTIES!!!” do I think it’s because the agencies hate women??? not at all, but I do think it’s because they’re lazy as fuck and can’t put effort into making something more creative and interesting without resorting to flashing SEXY TITTY!!! BONER!!!! ARE U CUMMING YET!! everywhere.
anyway that concludes my rant on sexualization in Vtubing, sex is cool and all but I can live without it being pushed in my face at all times

>>3798527
I'm okay with both because I can form my own opinions instead of needing validation from an annonymous internet forum full of people with questionable life choices.

>>3798888
Holy shit imagine wasting quads on this shit tier opinion.

>>3799947
Vshojo apologists - guys you just take the clips out of context the streams aren't like that

>>3798888
Exception to this rule is Rushia because she wants Tamaki-kun to smash her even if she has to go full Misery to make that happen, and even the gachikois willingly give that a pass.

>>3805692
>guys stop taking it out of context the streams aren't just constant whores lusting after cock no really pls stop posting full VODs

Because vshojo is not tactful about it yeah people will enjoy dirty and raunchy jokes If it presented with class or in a subtle way. Like vshojo is like an Adam Sandler movie no dress up to the dirty jokes or the poop jokes

>>3818716
but that's a good take, it just made you a bit disillusioned

>>3798888
>>3818888
holy shit, the same quads twice in a row

>>3798527
personally crude humour works best when it's rare/unexpected. a teenager making a crude joke has little impact and will be annoying if that's all they ever do, a prim and proper grandma who has never sworn in front of you bring crude makes for more of an impact

>>3805692
Naw, I'll step in for a second here. I actually watch them. They definitely are as bad as the clips make them out to be. At least Snuffy,Veibae, and Nyanners definitely are. Any opportunity to be crass they jump on. Let's not pretend that this isn't the case. The audience loves it when they do it.

>>3818738
Yes.

>>3798888
Noel literally pleases old men for money and still pretends to be seiso on-stream, get a fucking grip you faggot.

>>3805692
t.clipwatcher that watched Nyanners clip of scolding clippers

>>3817853
To be honest that's her Stchick now like I laughed so hard when she drunkly stumbled and muddled her way thru Minecraft. It reminded me when I did something similar with my friends.

>>3798555
this is the only correct answer

>>3798669
Very much this.
>>3805692
The first time I tuned in to Veibae she was playing a quiz website with daring question revolves around sexual intercourse. She's admitted to having anal with multiple men and traveled to another country just for sex. What the hell's that about? Who actually want to hear that kind of stuff? Totally repulsive like likes of you.

I just don't like people that swear like sailors
its why I don't watch mori the wigger

>>3819125
Source on this rrat?

>>3798845
trust me bro

>>3819798
Her roommate is an ASMRtist

>>3819642
I hate women more with each passing day

>>3810827
>>3811444
Doing your reps as in roommate stuff dipshit
If your grasp on English is really that bad not to pick up on the nuance, I have a hard time believing you can even speak Japanese

>>3819828
That's very different to what you were implying
>>3819839
It's not women anon, it's whores

>>3816726
you might think 4chan purityfags can be bad sometimes, but nipponese gachikois are another breed of mentally ill. Towa nearly had to graduate because she was caught talking on game voice comms with guys while playing apex.

>>3819845
None of their roommate ever admitted that. You don't even know what you're talking about. Neck yourself.

>>3819885
>It's not women anon, it's whores
There's no difference

>>3819900
i hate both

The same reason why belly dancing is a beautiful artform, whereas twerking is crude monkey behavior.

Lewdness and vulgarity are different things.

>>3819828
She isn't just ASMR, she shows her booba

>>3820131
You must be 18 years of age to use this website

The Hololive girls are actually funny and don't make it their entire personality/sense of humor

>>3819914
Not all hot women have had sex

>>3820166
Explain Marine.

>>3798527
i dont like twitch thot level of content. Also, Luna/Pekora/Subaru level of falsetto on western vtubers makes me cringe. This is why I only watch chad male chuubas

>>3820276
They're all whores regardless of sexual activity

>>3820369
It's on the thread, retard.

>>3798527
Holo using is more sparingly

>>3798527
when hololive streams in chaturbate i will let you retards say anything

>>3798527
Please compare this
https://twitter.com/EngVTubersOOC/status/1391941381027926018?s=19
To this
https://twitter.com/EngVTubersOOC/status/1391907031066492928?s=19
And tell me if you really think they're the same.

>>3821214

God Vei is so fucking awful

>>3821214
you could replace all of veis dialogue with [moans] and it wouldn't change at all

>>3798527
I don't watch Niji and Vshojo

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1022541933?t=1h46m0s
thank yuu

>>3821214
>Is this gonna be yab, I can feel [cut] that in my hands
vs
>I'm so turned on, swallow my meat, take my dick out
For the same shit too.

>>3798527
Subjective preferences.

>>3817089
explain to me how GFE schizos "fuck up" anybody but the viewer but overdrinking and porn addiction don't affect anybody else

>>3803506
Think the only time a dick joke was made by directly mention it was when Marine was talking about her interactions with Aki in public and she blurted it out out loud.

>>3821214
Eyyup. I like how Gura and the rest of EN doesn't swear

>>3798527
HoloEN are fucking boring
I don't want them to act like sluts, but they're just not very interesting people

>>3798527
I take a look at Hololive, I take a deep look, and ask myself, "Is this made by a nigger? is this niggardly?" and I know, in absolute truth that it's art.
I look at Vshojo, and from within the first minute of observing, I know that it's absolutely niggerlicious.

>>3798527
Every person in the world enjoys SEEEEEEEEEEEEX. What people don't enjoy is when others start splashing it at you only to look for validation.

>>3823546
Yeah schizos don't raid over a collab they don't like or anything

>>3818803
Tamaki-kun is a girl tho.

>>3824929
And to add, Holos at least have a spark of talent and shit in their personas. The only appeal that the VShojos have are the fact that they are all sluts (IronMouse forced) and sex only. None of them are good at singing, one of them hides the fact that he is a dude, one is sadly disabled, two are massive bitches and hypocrites, none of them also have any good personalities (and no, zentreya is only popular because she is basically a red Bowsette), and all of them manage to suck harder than all the holos in vidya.

>>3825224
>IronMouse forced
Probably before her confinement. Pretty sure that if she gets completely cured, the first thing she'll do is grab some lucky bastard and do him atleast two days in a row.

Since the dawn of time society has hated women acting like whores, though recently western culture has taken over and corrupted the mind of our women. People came to vtubers to avoid the modern degeneracy of women, now those degenerate unwoman like whores have come to invade our pure media again. They objectively have no class and can't stop themselves from moaning every few seconds. Also their only punchline is SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX. The difference between them and Hololive is that Hololive actually has some nuance and self-respect, also their frequency in lewd jokes is much less. Please take off the vtuber avatar and try not to invade OUR community, OUR space, and change OUR guidelines.

>>3798527
Unironically contrast. Lewd humour works when it's not your entire character. Even Ironmouse makes it work because the greater part of her streams is either regular zatsudans, react content to random latin bullshit or games, and she also rarely brings out the lewd topics (though she goes full force when they come out).

It's simple. For Holos they say it once in a while as a joke but for VShoujo they make it their entire identity to be lewd

I dont I like all 3 and think its funny and just dumb people joking around with eachother. The real problem are schizos who think they have a real relationship with some avatar.

>>3820670
>They're all whores regardless of sexual activity
/r9k/chama...

>>3820038
>dance made by brown people vs dance made by brown people

>>3798527
A person who make one joke is not comedian, but a person who does it many hours at a time is?

They both told a joke, they're both comedians. Everyone's a comedian.

>>3825897
He's right though, their profession is literally performing for men

>>3827562
If you want to use that logic, men's profession is also providing for women, and you're literally less of a man if you can't support your woman.

>>3798527
Has hololive cheated on their husbands and released their nudes irl? No? Vshojo has. That’s it. That’s the end of the thread. The janitor banned me for off topic last time I said this in a thread exactly like this one so I assume this might just be a ban bait trap so they can hit their quotas.

>>3799046
>silverale I just don’t like her model
I dont watch any vshojo girls but ill jack off to silver until i collapse from exhaustion because holy fuck her model is pure sex and she already has nsfw dance videos out like a proper whore

>>3798888
Fucking checked.

>>3824929
>be me
>don’t like sex
what now anon?

>>3798527
holos have personalities outside of just being "lewd"

>>3818803
Tamaki is a girl IRL, thats why "he" gets a pass.

>>3809669
Excellent point

>>3798527
Hologirls don't talk about sucking dick.

>>3836407
Noel talks about sucking her brother's dick all the time in her fantasies.

>>3798749
w-well... nishizawa mama...

>>3798888
b-based

>>3825413
Nailed it. I watch cute anime girl streamers to escape 3dpd basic whores, why would I watch one that behaves like every other woman irl?

>>3798888
>>3818888
>original take is quads
>post defending the original take against criticism is quads
>the same fucking quads
Holy fucking based and checked
>>3818716
How does it feel knowing that even god disagrees with you, vshojo apologist?

>>3816843
>he doesn't make his oshi laugh, feel loved, and feel sexy
Imagine being so obsessed with being 'grounded' that you don't let yourself or other people have fun in unconventional ways just because it might go a bit farther than is normal

How does it feel having literally zero chance of doing anything creative and unique in your life? This isn't even bait, by the way. I'm actually, unironically convinced that you've never done something in your life that is truly unique of significant effort, investment, and time. And I'll send you a paypal invoice of $100 if you prove me wrong. picrel is my SC of the last maybe 3 weeks. I can afford it and spend that kind of money freely.
What now, you literal NPC? Too afraid to chart a course for yourself on the grounds of coming too close to being a "schizo"?

>>3836669
That’s different. Noel’s brother is like a boyfriend for Noel

>>3840040
>simping is now a "creative and unique" act

*snap*

>>3825224
Ironmouse was a teen preggo, she is just as much of a slut but motherhood evened her out a little

>>3798527
Those american turbo sluts don't understand the concepts of being an idol. I saw one vshoujo girl in her 3d debut and she was bending over and practically having virtual sex with the viewer. They don't understand the concepts of seduction and don't know how to leave the SIMPs with blue balls. They do such hyper erotic stuff that their SIMPs drain their balls (or nut as it is said on the streets). Said SIMPs with drained balls have no need for them any more so they go watch hololive girls who know not to put out and keep men interested.

>>3798527
>teacupping
brainlet artists need to learn how to properly hold a gun

>>3840040
>$1354

>>3819828
>Her roommate is an ASMRtist
While I agree that she does slutty asmr. Just saying she does asmr doesn't imply she does slutty asmr. There's a huge difference between someone like hatomugi and someone like u-chan.

>>3798527
Hololive girls know limits and do something interesting besides talking about dicks and shits.
In V-Shojo the only two girls worth ever watching are Zentreya and arguably Mouse. Rest have nothing to show after you see 1-2 clips of them, lol.
I have no opinion about NijiEN right now but with how they started on Twitter i'm worried that they will be closer to V-Shojo than Hololive. I just want something interesting BESIDES "hehe lemme suck your dick and shit on the floor! BRRYM BRRRYM BRRLLYM~"

>>3848616
Anon, her roommate asmr has her with nipple pasties on, licking the mic while also jerking off the mic stand. It's pretty lewd

>>3849218
Reading comprehension.

>>3798527
It's the difference between /co/ and /aco/. lewd and fetish threads in /co/ are a rare treat and of course have to toe a line between whats hot and what draws the ire of a janitor. /aco/ in comparison is just kind of 'there'. no excitement no interaction just dump image, fap, and close browser.

>>3825413
based

>>3798527
Unless it's obviously a sillypost, I'm not.

>>3825413
Turbo basado and rojo frijoled
>YOU JUST HATE WOMEN
We love women, that's why we support this mostly woman dominated market. What we all hate is low tier women who are the XX chromosome equivalent of guys that randomly dm every girl they know dick pics.

>>3840040
>towa gets $1
You cheap stingy motherfucker, I oughtta beat the shit out of you
Jokes aside, imagine being a man with dumb money to throw around and still having to rely on his in-head GFE holy shit you are one pathetic lonely faggot
Pekora won't hold your hand on your death bed

>>3803737
You are sexually repressed

>>3798527
Because, when they make lewd jokes, they're usually spaced, and they're related to the context of the situation, rather than being a sudden change of pace to generate discussion. Also, they at least act embarrassed about it running against their title of "Idol". It's just a healthy mixture of jokes, like you'd expect from a good friend.

>>3798527
>vshojo
>nijisanji
what's that?

>>3798888
>>3818888
CHECCHECKEDKED

>>3798845
You can trust me, can't you?

>>3798888

>>3798527
Because I'm not a fucking child. I remember when I was 14 and the concept of a vulgar, constantly sexual girl streamer appealed to me heavily (because vulgarity an sex were very exciting). Now it just seems tacky and... needlessly base.

>>3827656
Yeah that seems prevalent
I don't think women are innately whores FWIW

>>3820369
This is a level below even clipfagottry. You don't even watch her clips.

>>3821214
This is the perfect post for retards like OP.

>>3821214
Ugh...The bottom clip made me want to vomit

>>3852201
Honestly speaking, it made me diamonds but that's not what I'm looking for in a Vtuber stream

You seem to have it wrong. There is nothing inherently bad about raunchy humor, but if it's everything you bring to the table, why would I watch you over more talented streamers like Coco and Marine?
That's why the Vshojos are basically interchangeable, they all do the same thing and it's the only thing they can do.

>>3848642
Isn't Nyanners in v-shojo. I don't really follow her as of late but before she was doing the vtuber thing she was very amusing. Especially her song covers. She was doing Senzawa type stuff long before Senzawa existed.

>>3851837
Girls being turbo sluts on cams never appealed to me. When I was 13 I was fapping to loli doujins. Western porn and their turbo slut behavior never appealed to me. Even as a young child I was able to see how shit it was. They put out too much and just come off as being cheap.

>>3798888
Didn't Ollie slip up and add Connor on her friends list and say how much she loved him.

>>3798888
>>3818888
Based and checked.

>>3854673
but we bitch and bitch and bitch to no end about ollie's behavior plus the connor saga died down, likely ended by management themselves

>>3815602
Imma do some reps for my Oshi so here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZz_zdb7ho

>>3798888
>celibacy
I argue that's rule #1 of the idol handbook. Unless your audience is all cuckholds, why would any self-respecting man subsidize another man's girlfriend. If vshojo isn't trying to be idols then that's fine, but why the fuck do they have 2D avatars. We associate 2D anime girls as being more pure than 3D girls, hence the terms like 3D is pig disgusting. If you are using a 2D facerig then I argue you're trying to tap into that purist market.

>>3798608
based. whores need to cover up.

>>3855453
Speaking of covering up, I would love to see muslim idols wearing burkas.

>>3798880
of course I am. Who am I gonna watch instead, someone who can't even speak the one international language we have?

>>3798527
The only Holo whose lewd humor is on the level of vshojo's is Matsuri. Most other holos just talk about tits and typical/tamer stuff like armpit sweat, pubes, etc. Armpits/feet/thighs/etc aren't as degenerate as they used to be. Which is worrying desu.

>>3853793
She literally devolved into talking about shit and dicks and making weird fucking noises. Also she's huge hypocrite trying to capitalize on loli fans while also shitting on loli and attacking people liking it, lol.
She's THE WORST part of V-Shojo and unironically i would love her to disappear.

>>3855602
changbro...

>>3798527
because they are hololive and not niji or vshoujo
simple as

>>3855680
Yeah I'm watching her videos and it seems like that's the case. I fear Gura devolving into that as well. They both started off very daring and original.

>>3805626
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about

>>3850688
Go fuck your mother, freud.

>>3855086
>If you are using a 2D facerig then I argue you're trying to tap into that purist market.
Purist? Even with designs like this?

>>3821214
And people still say that hololive and vshojo are the same, holy fuck. Gonna save this exact post for the future in case someone needs a reminder

>>3798527
The problem for me isn't that Vshojo is making lewd jokes, the problem is that that is ALL they have. As an example, It's very obvious when you look at what Sydsnap is doing, she's only there to milk the Twitch coomer audience.

>>3855680
>THE WORST part of V-Shojo
Veibae?

>>3859059
Gura is much more of a legit shitposter then nyanners was. Pink cat comes off as someone who's lurked 4chan but is really a Redditor who loves to browse green text stories. Watching Gura's streams give the impression she's an actual boomer shitposter. Taking about old PS1/N64 era games that none of the other EN zoomers know, 4chan originated memes, and her roommates old videos feel very early 2010's era 4chan.

>>3798527
It has nothing to do with the promotion, it has to do with the origin of talent. JP chuubas come from a very collectivist society and subverting expectations is peak gap moe, but westerners already are crude IRL, which leads to a boring experience (this includes HoloEN)

>>3798527
Tribalism and br*nd loyalty

>>3798527
they dont also stream on chaturbate

>>3865952
You're right but please don't use picture of Suisei ever again for that kind of post. You're not a Hoshiyomi.

>>3865952
>but westerners already are crude IRL
And you think nips aren't?

>>3817150
based tribalist

>>3825413
This. Seethe faggots and roasties.
>>3867360
Absolutely not. Might be behind closed doors, but they understand the concept of pretending not to be a whore publically, as opposed to the western whore whose been trained not only to do it, but get rewarded for it.

>>3870186
Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

>>3819902
What is a roommate please spoonfeed me

>>3798527
Fubuki which for too many eop is too seiso
have a dark side and she is too lewd too
i catch a glimpse of it in a Roberu stream in which they made a sketch where roberu didnt let her go to the toilet.

I don’t like Coco or Marine.

>>3870739
The real person behind the anime avatar. now shut up

>>3870971
Thanks anon, I imagined but it seemed too strange to be true

>>3870186
Have you ever been to Japan? Do you speak nihongo? Otherwise, I'm not sure you have the footing for these claims.

>>3798527
Holo and Niji are fine. Vshoujo is fine too, honestly, I just don't find them funny so I don't watch them. Or think about them, aside from when they're brought up here. Not enough hours in the day to focus on chuubas I hate when I could focus on the ones I like.

>>3871055
>No you don't get it all japanese girls are pure just like my animes and because people say so!!
I really hope people who actually think this way are young. otherwise your a idiot.

>>3870833
same, maybe it's more niche in Japan idk
but I have severe thot-fatigue from western streamers and can't enjoy it even as a joke

>>3798527
VShojo feels like if you gave Amy Schumer an anime avatar

>>3798527
Theirs a hell of a lot more restrain with vulgar and dirty humor in Hololive and it doesn't show up as much (unless your Marine) so whenever a Holo does say something outlandish and dirty than it ends up being funnier because it sometimes feels like it comes out of nowhere and has a bigger impact joke wise.

The Holo's I watch only make the occasional dirty joke so I get the "lol wtf did she say" sort of feeling while with VShojo and Nijisanji it's pretty much expected and anticipated so they don't land as hard.

I like vtubers who make me forget that all women are whores

>>3849218
Link?

>>3865918
MEAT SPIN

why does it seem like vshoujo is only disliked because of vei and nyanners. what about the rest of em

>>3881385
Retarded fucking tourist. READ THE GOD DAMNED PINNED THREAD

>>3884369
Those are definitely the two biggest targets of hate from here. There's apparently some shit between Froot and /k/, but she rarely gets brought up in the first place.

>>3884557
aint that the wepons place? that shit seems weird

>>3798845
Her outro literally says "fuck me". Every single stream. Do you even watch streams?

>>3884764
that's not what the anon asked for

>>3884513
>pinned
Where are you even touring from, Twitter?

>>3798888
schiz. a dozen of them are failed idols who have definitely sucked cocks for work before.

>>3863817
she seems pretty pure
pure sex at least

>>3884905
Meds now

>>3870833
Same, I don't like to watch collabs with them in them. I figure they'll just come out with some vulgarity, of which I'll have to look at all the following week on my yt feed.
>MARINE YURIBAITS KANATA AND MAKES HER UNCOMFORTABLE
>MARINE YURIBAITS FLARE AND MAKES HER UNCOMFORTABLE
>MARINE YURIBAITS MIO AND MAKES HER UNCOMFORTABLE
>MARINE SAYS I'M HORNY
>COCO TWERKS AND SAYS FUCK
>MARINE SAYS I'M HORNY AGAIN
Freaking hilarious. PLEASE get more than one personality trait.

>>3885524
Get a load of this holodex clipple faggot

>>3885524
coco doesnt seem to be like that on alot of her shitpost collabs, idk about marine tho

>>3885667
I used to actively follow Marine because I like her voice and laugh but shit, does she have any other dynamic than this?

>>3885732
i mean there are a good amount of clips but it doesn't mean she does the whole horny shit constantly. been on a few of her streams and collabs and she seems chill

>>3798527
Because the holo girls are under stricter guidelines that the VS girls, the allude to the lewd instead of shooting to the crude. There's a big difference between the innuendos that the holo girls make and the gaudy open flaunting of sex that the VS girls participate in. Implying and recontextualizing innocent phrases to make risque jokes is different than the open roleplay of sex and sexual moaning that VS sells you. On a related note, ironmouse was the best vtuber pre-vshoujo, she had a beautiful voice and a witty sense of humor that could roll with any topic without self deprecating or relying on blatant sex appeal, now she's the best of Vshoujo, but worse than the average holo girl, relying on sex in a way that's eerily reminiscent of mel, who has the personality of a wet paper towel. Before she had cute appeal, but I don't think she realized that a lot of people didn't watch her for that, they watched her because she was niche and charismatic, but now shhe's coasting by on cute appeal and sex appeal. I'm gonna feel bad when her viewership and audience retention drop int the next four years because the people who were there for a her energy and humor leave and the degens move on to the next waifu who shows more skin and has a better persona for sex appeal. I've already switched main girls because I cant stand the hamfisted self-deprecation and porny banter.

>>3816426
wouldn't it be sophophile or hypnophile, since philia is greek?

>>3824928
>niggardly
I do not think that means what you think it means.

>>3864666
Yeah, I'm honestly not sure how garnt can stand her, years of hentai abuse must have rotted his cringe receptors.

>>3805626
they're entertainers with creating a persona anonchama
as long as they don't break the illusion everything is ok. your logic reps...