/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>38199733
It was a combination of:
>tempus and homobeggers
>morii and ame being bitchy about people not liking male collabs
>Ina actually dying
Kiara and Gura can’t hope to prop up Mori and Ame without Ina’s help

>>38199733
D.) All of the above

But, hear me out, on its own Tempus was not bad, it was the forced "We aRe aLl hoLoPRo." shit that split the community

>>38199733
hololive's niche is the friendship, they stopped being friends

schizochama, I...

>>38200095
It was the statements from Kronii and management that put a bullet in the head of EN
Even if you'rte not a unicorn, even if you hate unicorns, that statement ended everything, turned the community against each other, brought in twitter culture wars and made it clear any complaints would be treated the same anyway

>>38199733
>What do you think is the main factor that killed HoloEN
not streaming
being treated as second class citizens compared to JP
being managed by OMEGATROON
unicorns

>>38200726
The unicorns made the statement necessary by harassing the talents and fans

>>38199733
No more covid restrictions like before to keep people inside, unless a new wave releases.

>>38199733
gura always hated her fans even before blue triangle, she did what was expected, for everybody else it was just collabing with males.

>>38199733
I'd take a broader picture view and summarize the general longer term HoloEN recline thus with various points (non-exhaustive, not sorted, feel free to add)

A large part of the viewerbase was never actually committed fans in the first place, but basically just lockdown tourists. Vtubers were at the time the fresh new thing to entertain them while they were bored stuck at home. Now both the lockdowns are gone and vtubers aren't fresh and new anymore, so these people have moved on. Arguably, besides making "number go down", this might not even be a bad thing, regarding the quality of the viewerbase?

For Myth specifically, when they came out they were basically the "only game in town" and audiences had no real alternatives. We don't count Niji's embarrassing first attempt at "EN" (India), and twitch indies were still a minor league wild west wasteland. Holomyth came at a perfect lightning in a bottle moment, being the first serious attempt at a proper EN branch and Hololive was already the most popular corpo for westerners at the time due to the run-up of viral JP sub clips etc.

This, coupled with the aforementioned lockdown buff, meant that HoloMyths numbers in the beginning were probably a bit overstated and didn't actually reflect their actual long-term realistic/"stable" popularity/viability. Case in point, Council came next and couldn't repeat the explosive growth, indicating it wasn't (just) about the qualities about the talents but also extraneous factors involved (lockdown buff, novelty hype, first-mover advantage, etc.). And nowadays, if you are a viewer that still likes vtubers (so not just an above lockdown tourist), but are bored or otherwise dissatisfied with HoloEN, you aren't captive anymore and have much more alternatives to watch and may find other vtubers that better suit your actual tastes.

For example, if you actually like male collabs, you can just go watch the original gendermixing company, Niji, where this is much less controversial. Or if you are in it for the coom and want more raunchier stuff and Holo has become too safe and boring for you, you can go watch twitch indies. Or if you liked the original general Hololive feel, but it has gotten too corporate and impersonal for you and you want a smaller more comfier and intimate atmosphere, you can go watch all the smallcorpos that kinda imitate the Hololive model more or less, but where you actually have a more reasonable chance to get your chat read and interact with the streamer.

The only reason to stick with HoloEN and disregard all the alternatives is a) you are happy customer who is actually satisfied with the product, b) you are a bubbled corpo-drone who knows nothing about vtubing beyond the blue dorito, c) you are a tribalfag with a "yeah HoloEN might be shit, but at least it's not as bad as all the other alternatives!" mindset or d) you are sticking around due to stockholm-syndroming yourself into a parasocial relationship with your particular oshi and think giving it up would be "betraying her". If none of those reasons apply to you, and you're open to shopping around for potentially better alternatives, you have probably dropped HoloEN already or at least don't just watch it exclusively anymore.

Also, a big part of the general HoloEN recline (long before males entered the picture already) was that too many talents feel like they have basically given up on any effort and just go through the motions, minmax and coast along on the brand buff. They aren't hungry and motivated anymore (some arguably never were - this is especially noticeable in the second gen who already knew that Hololive would be a golden ticket and you don't need to put in any effort), and it's hard to stay hungry and not become complacent when fans throw money at you no matter how much (or rather how little) you actually do and basically reward you for just existing. Unless you're especially driven, most talents would just succumb to laziness and no delivery. And for the few talents that don't, Covers retarded management buerocracy does the rest of destroying their motivation.

>>38200726
Best thing about it is that it killed kromei

>>38201067
are you a completely new redditor who wasn't even here when Rushia an hero'd?

>>38201574
What's the relation between the Rushia situation and what I said?

>>38199733
Kiara will pull a mike the upcoming year with her crabs in a bucket mentality, this time there will be plenty of people listening to her vitriol
and BTW that one random KFP just made it 100%
not a singing idol = trash
stealing her spot = trash

>>38199733
>What do you think is the main factor that killed HoloEN?
Debuting 2 gens in 26 months. If they actually debuted more talents then the current situation where there are basically any streams wouldn't have happened.

>>38199733
Obvious talent burnout due to overbearing management and the fact that they just don't stream

It's all Myths fault.
Calli = literally a white female rapper.
Ame = The JP holomems exist and because of that, her behaviour comes across as extremely bitchy and mean in comparison.
Ina = Also comes across like a bitch and mean though in this case it would be true regardless of being compared to JPholomems. She's also extremely boring.
Kiara = Holy fuck, the best streamer is literally the hardest one to watch.

I’m feeling very trapped by things I can not say, so to those that have somehow stuck around despite all of it, please know how ridiculously grateful I am.

Thank you for having the patience. I’m going to get unstuck, I promise.

>>38202627
Aren't you forgetting someone chumkek?

>>38206757
Who? There is only 3 Myth streamers..

>>38199733
>All of the above
This. People like to focus in on certain things and dismiss others to suit their own bias, but ultimately all of these things had a negative impact, and anyone pretending otherwise is a retard.

>>38201558
>still gets plenty of pairing art and dedicated artists
>still interact plenty on stream
I want some of some of that copium you’re huffing my dude.
Kronii and Mumei still being pretty consistent since debut is a milestone for EN when you have Takamori sputtering out for a while and only making a comeback recently, the divorce parts of Baerys, or dead and buried like Amesame is right now.

>>38200095
I’m going to go even further. I would have liked to see more girls *do* Tempus collabs, I would have to see *fewer* collabs in general.
That would have made unicorns seethe, but more importantly, it would have given HoloEN enough legitimacy to resist homobeggaring and preempt this “HoloPro” nonsense. If you do the rare collab with males, you get to say, “I don’t give a fuck about unicorns, cross-gender collabs just mostly suck and most of the time people hate them.”
We still don’t have a meta for doing them other than “just copy the fleshtubers.” I guess it makes sense that the ones stupid enough to spam these collabs also copied the fleshtuber meta of siccing the twitter mobs indiscriminately on everyone who complained about them.

>>38201500
Holy Asperger

>>38199733
Tempus did nothing
Kiara Pomu retards begging for a collab for three years didn't either
Calli is just people sperging over nothing
It all boils down to the one simple fact: Myth and Council do not stream. They're lazy. They're bad at communicating. And when they do stream, its either FOTM or boring shit.
There's a reason why everyone screams and cries for EN3. They gave up on Myth and Council.

>>38200095
>on its own Tempus was not bad
this

>>38206757
Well yeah I forgot to say but that's kind of the point, she doesn't have enough presence.
I should have lots of memories of her by this point but considering it's been 2 years its for sure lacking.

>>38199733
>What do you think is the main factor that killed HoloEN
Lazyness/lack of discipline
Homobeggars
few events and new stuff
kiara not being my wife
shit drama

All above minus wawa sexo can be considered management fault

>>38201574
Rushia an hero'd because she's a fucking schizo freak who listened to the fictional things the walls were telling her.
No one gave a shit other than american culture terrorists who wanted to dunk on 'idol culture'

>>38201820
kys

t. holoEN insider fr fr

>>38202627
+ gura is lazy as fuck
But again, management could mitigate most of these problems

>>38199733
>What do you think is the main factor that killed HoloEN?
You making a mountain out of a molehills

>>38201500
>A large part of the viewerbase was never actually committed fans
They could build it up, like JP did, if they forced them 3D to come sooner and interacted more with the JP side, if they learned japanese, and ofcourse if they respected the fans.

>>38199733
A little bit of everything, just a little bit.

>>38208131
They’re too scared to pull the plug. They know if they put their foot down people would actually graduate. Which is why debuting EN3 and being faster with these debuts is so necessary—it lets underperformers know they’re replaceable.
Obviously, you don’t need to ACCELERATE to Niji levels. There’s a balance to be had here. The idea is that anyone who wants success will be turned off from applying, and the only people who’ll want to apply are people who believe they can keep streaming regularly and do events for the long term—ie people who actually want to become vtubers.
Preferably they should only hire people who have previous vtubing experience, too. We don’t need another Sana.

>>38201820
>all above is fiction

>>38208339
>We don’t need another Sana.
En3 with Rosemi,Petra,Selen and Pomu

>>38199733
Lack of a work ethic. Western females are taught from a very early age they don't and shouldn't work hard, just don't be fat and get a man to provide for everything. If they encounter an obstacle or roadblock they are encouraged not to overcome it themselves but to have someone else take care of it. Shameful.

>>38199733
All of these would have some impact, sure but at the end of the day, I'm gonna have to pin it on streamers not streaming

>>38199733
All of the above, each of them had a huge defect that contributed to the downfall

>>38199733
>>38200095
HoloEN was already broken waaaaay before Tempiss stepped into the scene but unicorns only have so much critical thinking when there's cocks involved, unsurprisingly.
>Kiara barely has any chemistry with those in her gen/company because no one can stand her. Once Takamori began to wither away, she tried having a close partnership with Gura, Nene, Ina and finally Ame before dropping them for the next "girlfriend"
>Calli went all-in on her music career while sandbagging collabs with her 'tism. Gets ghosted by genmates whenever she visits Muttland as a result.
>Ame, not wanting to be labeled anyone's sidekick, keeps to herself unless it's work related. Probably still has beef from her first birthday stream and holds contempt against her fans.
>Ina always treated holo as a side gig and got fed up with takodachis being concernfags. Continues being on an indefinite hiatus as she contemplates the toll on her health from having two jobs where she's completely stationary and which one is most future-proof.
>Gura is self-explanatory on why she hates being a holo
>The long-awaited full group off-collab was about has hype as a paint drying with phoned-in interactions. Ame, Ina and Gura actively avoided taking any memorabilia photos.
>Ina and Gura tearing up during the group's earlier anniversaries might as well be crocodile tears from just little they show their love nowadays.
Why watch such a fractured gen when there are groups with far better synergies on top of actually liking each other? They were their own undoing.

>>38208339
>you don’t need to ACCELERATE to Niji levels. There’s a balance to be had here
This. 26 members in 14 months is complete overkill, but only 11 (now 10) in 2+ years and counting? At this rate I won't be surprised if EN3 beats Uproar's record in having the longest waiting time between gens, and they got were a month short of 2 full years. The best months for a new gen to debut this year were July and November, and I was betting that EN3 would debut in July while the first StarsEN gen would come out in November being hyped by the 2nd act, but the retards at Cover thought it would be better to rush StarsEN because they really wanted their own Luxiem (and boy am I glad they failed miserably) and now who the fuck know when they'll drop EN3. I do think we'll probably see them before the 4th fes. just on the account of that they generally have the non performing members narrating the instructions during the pre-show and right now that's only ID3, but this is such a shot in the dark that they might just record random members doing it and call it a day.

>>38199733
is this finally the end of the fad? was the exclusive board really worth it?

>>38209018
>>Kiara barely has any chemistry with those in her gen/company because no one can stand her
>just had a Fauna collab where they were both very cute
>just spawned an advent calendar project in 3 days and got participation of everyone in EN minus Ina
Y-yeah they totally hate her.

>>38202627
Gura = a shitposter/memer trying to pass herself as an idol but ultimately not being able to handle all the attention and hard work the position requires.

>>38209018
>Ina and Gura tearing up during the group's earlier anniversaries might as well be crocodile tears from just little they show their love nowadays.
I think both Gura and Ina's tears were genuine back then, because the girls were fighting alone for a year, but when council came and management was blown up from 3 managers for 5 girls to who knows how many and a branch/project manager it stopped being cozy or difficult.
Add to it that when they met IRL they had a lot more conflict points (most of which kiaras blabbermouth explosed) and they realized they dont really click as well as they thought.

>>38199733
HoloJP's popularity isn't a fluke, they follow a formula that works. All of the issues listed in the OP break a part of the formula and so hurt holoEN a bit.
Another important part of the formula is the closed garden feeling, where holoJP feels like a group of anime girls in their own little cgdct world, rather than random streamers as part of the wider online streaming ecosystem. This is why the attempts at integrating tempiss and ramming in ecelebs cause so much damage, not because of the tiny number of people that actually think they're in a relationship with the holos, but because they burst the bubble.

>>38209314
Don't even try to argue with these schizos.

>>38209314
I cannot begin to express the total contempt I feel for Ina. 2 fucking minute video was all she needed to do.

>>38209018
>Tempiss fan is a holo anti
Every time.

>>38199733
I put most of the blame on management. They've neglected HoloEN, and it's obvious that they really don't know what to do with them, or how to handle them. It seems like they give the bare minimum of support. However, it also feels like Myth have really developed much as streamers. A lot of the content just feels stale. It's hard to get excited for another Minecraft stream, or another VR chat stream for a holiday. Ame is basically relied on to come up with interesting ideas, when that should, primarily, be the responsibility of management. HoloEN needs produces who can come up with ideas, and also enforce better streaming schedules. Corpo agencies should operate more like TV channels, and do a better job of ensuring minimal downtime, and encouraging funnels. Any time that there are dead hours is an opportunity for other vtuber agencies and indies to poach Holo viewers.

>>38204674
I'm sorry, I stopped believing in you almost a year ago.

Don't you guys think it's weird how the EN branch has less work and duties to fulfill than the JP branch but the EN's are more fragile and needs more breaks than the JPs?

>>38209355
What sort of conflicts did they have?

It's management, something is going bad behind the scenes with management.

>>38199733
Kiara and her average 2k CCV

>>38209368
It's pretty funny that there are people on an e celeb board complaining about e celebs.

>>38209657
I'm 100% sure gura lost trust in mori due to the houseparty incident (no i dont think she was raped, but the sole fact mori gave her sister the keys and dragged gura in a situation with strangers is bad enough)
Kiara getting frustrated with Ina and vice-versa to the point Ina snapped at her - tho at this point I think burnout was already affecting Ina quite a bit.

>>38209926
I'm guessing Gura is incredibly awkward around strangers which probably messed with her when that happened or something? I don't recall Ina snapping at Kiara but I imagine Kiara can be really overbearing.

Killed is a bit much, is just not 10x bigger than anything in the west like it used to be.

From my personal perspective, the market expansion combined with Cover neglection and the clear interests and gratefulness coming from the girls slowly fading away made me seek for alternatives and/or coming back to jps(even as an EOP).
Coco and Rushia situation also soured my tastes regarding Cover competence and priorities. Haachama banishment from MC server and Irys management as well.

>>38209978
Kiara wanted Ina to do some specific dance moves for her birthday 3d, but ina was exhausted and tired and said Kiara should do those moves herself then, Kiara saying "But I want you to do it" and Ina said something like
"Well we cant always get what we want Kiara"
and just sat down. kiara called it "snapping at her" in a "very ina way" - I don't remember if Ina adressed this tho, only Kiara talked about it in the zatsu after her birthday live

>>38210180
Thanks for jogging my memory anon, I do recall that happening now. Thanks for enlightening me as well, I find this sort of stuff interesting and it's nice to know about it too.

>>38210180
>tired fat girl refuses to dance for her friend
I mean, fair enough honestly.

>>38209926
Ina just got frustrated over technical stuff. I can’t imagine any lasting effect on their relationship. Especially not since they collabed again multiple time after that with no issue.
It’s like swearing on a video game, you wouldn’t even remember why you were angry 20min later

>>38210180
None of this is true, btw. Kiara and Ame only said very little on the topic.
All we know is that she "snapped" and that she wanted to "compromise".

>>38209671
I'd go as far as to say Vesper's suspension is a clue to how management treats EN. Notice how the announcement was from the JP side first, pushed out before EN could put out their own announcement (EN announcement should've come first, he's an EN talent). I think a lot of EN's problems come from JP management pulling their leash whenever they want to do things beyond minecraft and fotm streams. Gura's concert getting cut in length for seemingly no reason always sticks in my mind.

>>38199733
Management should get a lot of the blame. A lot of their missteps rose from thinking JP and EN were totally different markets when they knew damn well that EN watchers were weebs, which meant they adhered and followed JP tastes most of the time. The first missteps were Council’s retarded lore but was blamed on a chuunishit instead of misunderstanding the demographic. Then Tempus came without an EN3, the dumbest decision imaginable. The girls are always on the verge of burnout and they needed fresh girls who can cater to the /cgdct/ demo or as manga publications categorize them, seinen. Boys are not replacements and Tempus dynamic feels shounen shows neglect of the orginal demo. that Tempus are replacements instead of additions to the streamer roster this year boggles my fucking mind and frankly makes me anti the boys more than the collab shit.

Everyone who cries for EN3 are just admitting that myth and council are failures.

>>38199733
Mostly them being lazy. But what’s killed my interest the most is the direct integration of faggots into the branch. Kino destroyed.

>>38199733
Better streamers in small corops who actually enjoy streaming and dont take multiple breaks a month. Half of them dont even stream

>>38199733
All are valid, but keep in mind, companies fail because of management. Not because John didn't clock overtime or James took a break.

>>38199733
a laissez-faire approach doesnt do well when there is not a strong cultural work ethic

>>38204674
Fatty Copey

>>38210268
I hate you for making me look it up
youre thinking of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkOPn0P21F8&t=4398s
I mean, tho got the stream wrong wasnt the zatsu:
https://youtu.be/niJDkgLMkwk?t=13841

>>38199733
HoloEN was fine and is still doing ok, but the shit that ruined it personally was the reaction Kronii and management had to the homo shit. If you don't want to be proper idols I get that, but don't flip flop and make promises to fans if you don't plan on keeping them, it ruins any sort of fantasy that these are idols worth caring about and not random chicks doing whatever they want for easy money from simps. I can respect Mori for being upfront and anti-idol, I can't respect Kronii going back and forth on it and then shitting on the people she was making promises to.

>>38199733
One half doesnt stream
The other half doesnt have any talent

>>38211173
on further analysis i might have to look up inas version of the story too for the "we cant always get what we want kiara" part
- tho i'll agree friendship could survive it - but don't say "it didnt happen" when both literally said it lol

>>38201115
>gura always hated her fans even before blue triangle
I am out of the loop on gura, what does blue triangle refer to

>>38211357
hololive logo anon

>>38209099
Every member of EN3 will be screened to see if they are compatible whores for Tempiss collabs. It’s too late.

>>38211255
There's no point in pandering to mental defectives like you. You're the type to have meltdowns because you think that a woman talking to a man means that they're fucking like rabbits on all hours of the day.
Fucking brainless /a/ refugees like you are subhuman.

>>38211469
Male on stream=worse content
worse content=hololive performs worse
hololive performs worse= other girls take the burden
No one actually gives a shit what they do IRL.

>>38210279
It doesn't make sense for the JP side to do shit like this when they're constantly using Gura's or Ina's or even Mori's image for multiple promotional campaigns, some that are exclusive to Japan. I know a lot of anons love to use the same justification of "EN is a side branch, JP companies treat them like shit, EN management can't do shit" but completely ignore how ID never had any big problems with their management. Hell, they managed to bring the first gen girls to Japan a couple of weeks before the country fully opened for foreigners, while we've yet to see anything like that for Myth, and I honestly don't thinks it's far-fetched to believe ID2 will get their 3D debuts before HoloFes while CouncilRyS will get the same treatment Myth had and good luck for any of them who isn't IRyS if they want to use their models outside of just home 3D and VRChat. Almost all of these problems are the EN management through and through, be it Omega, JENma or whoever it is, and shit won't change unless there's some big shake up, and that's the part that's actually Cover's fault because somehow they managed to hire even worse people than some of the retards they got for the JP girls.

>>38210310
Tempus is 4 ugly modeled fags that can’t even pull their intended fujo audience pretending to be brotubers. The people considering them brotubers legitimately do not have real life friends.

>>38211469
Lmao. Cope. There’s a reason a majority of JP caters to people like “him”

>>38209018
>Probably still has beef from her first birthday stream
what happened there?

>>38209473
so wait did Ina refuse to join in or was it just that the calendar did not have enough space for everyone?

>>38211255
She never made hard promises like that, that's something that threadreaders made up.

>>38211347
>tho i'll agree friendship could survive it
They were literally cuddling on stream for the 2 others stream in the offcollab, anyone who think this is something serious is either retarded or never had any friend

>>38211851
she's on break, full on break, no hololive at all other than old stuff that was already recorded

>>38209355
>Add to it that when they met IRL they had a lot more conflict points (most of which kiaras blabbermouth explosed) and they realized they dont really click as well as they thought.
Is there an accurate rundown of this anywhere? I want to learn more holoen drama shit but obviously the places like reddit are useless for negative stuff

>>38211851
The NDA her RM is under is strict.

>>38211851
Anon, they're 9, the calendar have 25 days, of course there's enough fof everyone, there's going to have pair and repeat members

>>38209179
No, at worst HoloEN dying will be like the video game crash in the early 80’s before new companies rise to take their place. If that really happened (HoloEN will probably just stagnate/fade slowly into irrelevance rather than collapse desu), there’d be so many small corpo generals that the need to keep a separate board would probably increase, if anything.

>>38209368
They broke the bubble because the bubble didn’t, and couldn’t, work in EN. There’s not enough girls in HoloEN (or ID for that matter) to make that viable. This was always going to be a risk for them, in that bursting the bubble badly would backfire, and doing it correctly is hard. Needless to say, they didn’t do it correctly.

>>38199733
>People stopped being locked down.
>If you're an en vtuber fan you're kind of spoiled for choice now. And many other vtuber companies aren't anywhere near as restricted in the games they can play, songs they can sing, outfits they get.
>Holo EN has been stagnating for much of this year. There was a period a few weeks ago where 7/10 EN members were out of action and some days where there was no stream whatsoever, while other companies have talent that pump out content daily.

>>38210404
Yes, that’s why I do it. I don’t even watch HoloEN anymore, I just think if Cover isn’t stupid they should do that. If I were arguing in bad faith because I wanted HoloEN to die and my own small corpos to incline, I wouldn’t say that.
I don’t give a fuck how that would affect Council. Them losing views would be hilarious to me. But more importantly, it’s becoming obvious that Myth or Council doing “well” (their own members enjoying success) isn’t all that correlated with Hololive doing well.

>>38211896
>Kiara and Ame did the off-collab strictly for work on her B-Day concert.
>Ina went on her health break, caught wind of the collab
> Meanwhile Ame and Kiara continue their work, Ina was put to work (big mistake)
> Ina spends it trying to talk down Ame and Kiara's expectations of the concert
> When Kiara asked Ina to dance, she threw a fit about it.
> When Calli and Gura involve themselves in suddenly it has to be the BIG meetup
> Suddenly work off-collab turns into a public thing where everyone has to be in character
> Calli rents the house which leads to the big dox fuck up
> Couple of collabs that were clearly last minutes.
>top it off Kiara gets Covid from Calli, who then spreads it to the rest of Myth

>>38212216
>I just think if Cover isn’t stupid they should do that
Considering who they decided to debut this year I believe Cover, or at least the EN side of it, is squarely on stupid territory.

>>38199733
>Holo "live" its alive retards stop the rrats

>>38212568
Lmao they tried to attract fujos with those ugly ass models. What a waste. I’m willing to accept Tempus was EN3 only for the fact that I can shit on them harder for being comparative failures.

>>38211896
> Kiara and Ame did the off-collab strictly for work on her B-Day concert.
> Ina went on her health break, caught wind of the collab and invited herself.
> Meanwhile Ame and Kiara continue their work, Ina was put to work (big mistake)
> Ina spends it trying to talk down Ame and Kiara's expectations of the concert
> When Kiara asked Ina to dance, she threw a fit about it.
> When Calli and Gura involve themselves in suddenly it has to be the BIG meetup
> Suddenly work off-collab turns into a public thing where everyone has to be in character
> Calli rents the house which leads to the big dox fuck up
> Couple of collabs that were clearly last minutes.
> top it off Kiara gets Covid from Calli, who then spreads it to the rest of Myth.

>>38212744
you chickens are as dumb as you are deaf

>>38212510
Not only that's a whole lot of word for saying absolutely nothing, but you don't even have the timeline right. Gura was with them since the beginning and helped on the concert setup outside of one day. The ina "snap" is really one big nothing burger, but this was already made clear earlier in the thread. The offcollab stream started way before mori involved herself, with the Gurame karaoke, poptart tasting and smash collab. "The big dox fuck up" was literally nothing, if you want to make a drama, at least mention the party.

>>38201500
>where this is much less controversial
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>38212957
In a way, it kinda is. Even if you hate male collabs being a Niji fan, the girls still stream a lot. So it’s easier to still watch them without seeing a faggot come on to the stream.

>>38210180
And then they remained friends

>>38212744
>> Kiara and Ame did the off-collab strictly for work on her B-Day concert.
True
>> Ina went on her health break, caught wind of the collab and invited herself.
True, and early enough to be on the setlist unlike Mori and Gura who where only planned for call-in game that didn’t require their presence
But when Mori and Gura did invite themselves Gura planned to come even sooner than Ina to be at Ame’s birthday and Mori wasn’t even at the recording
>> Meanwhile Ame and Kiara continue their work, Ina was put to work (big mistake)
Work being dancing 4 moves and sing, which was planned and agreed on a looong time before the collab
She did way more than what was asked as Kiara thanked her for helping setting up the studio and that it wouldn’t be possible without Ina
>(big mistake)
????????
>> Ina spends it trying to talk down Ame and Kiara's expectations of the concert
Literal lie. She worked on the fist day a lot.
>> When Kiara asked Ina to dance, she threw a fit about it.
Tired after 2 days of hard work, she snapped once and wanted to compromise.
This is literally a nothingburger. She worked a lot, got frustrated once. Water under the bridge
>> When Calli and Gura involve themselves in suddenly it has to be the BIG meetup
First time that Myth meet up, something that was expected for more than a year. Of course they had to do it. Thank god they did it
If they missed that opportunity you would have shitposted about it day and night against whoever was missing about the collab
>> Suddenly work off-collab turns into a public thing where everyone has to be in character
Recording was already time-limited. Whatever they did the following week would be a wasted opportunity if they didn’t off-collab
>> Calli rents the house which leads to the big dox fuck up
That or at least the Party drama. Kinda true
>> Couple of collabs that were clearly last minutes.
Off-collabs are almost always last minutes. Blame it on whatever you want. It’s always lets meet-up and then what should we do?
Not a hololive-only problem either.
>> top it off Kiara gets Covid from Calli, who then spreads it to the rest of Myth.
Kiara did have covid, maybe from Mori, maybe not. But she didn’t spread it. Who was sick after the collab?

>>38212946
>"The big dox fuck up" was literally nothing
what are they even referring to?
>at least mention the party.
the party just meaning the time Calli brought Gura to a party? Was it just bad because Gura has autism and didn't want to go, or what?

>>38212653
I still don't understand what was Cover's strategy with Tempus. It's extremely obvious that they wanted an answer for Luxiem, but anyone with half a brain cell knew that would never happen considering how the overall Hololive audience was never that interested in male vtubers, not to mention that they were 7 months too late. If they weren't the sole focus of the year and we had EN3 at some point the decision wouldn't be as puzzling because that would've kept the growth of the branch that's obviously more popular while trying a new thing on the western market, but they decided to give them the golden spoon treatment as the only EN group to debut in 2022 and by now, a little over 4 months after their debut, they're dangerously close to becoming 3views, with Axel already dipping his toes on that territory, and god knows when the actual EN3 will come out.

>>38214022
I don’t know either man… if I had to guess I would say it’s incompetence on their managements part. Someone at at HoloEN really thought that dropping a single wave of 4 dudes for the entire year and then shilling hard for them would get people to actually watch them. They failed to read the room, analyze their audience, or they just huffed too much copium and overdosed on wishful thinking. It is baffling that they didn’t release an EN3 along with Tempiss this year. Like, I can understand the idea that because EN isn’t Japan that they might assume the audience is more open, and they are somewhat right, but their release doesn’t make up for a lack of more girls or the shitfest that releasing them and collab spamming did on the communities. Like, was it really worth it?

>>38213919
>what are they even referring to?

>Mori gave the key and code of the airBnb she rented specifically for the off-collab to her sister.
>Sister that she knows is unreliable as stated multiple time on stream
>Sister then invited friends for a party
>Mori expected Sister, her sister’s boyfriend and maybe 2 other people.
>Turns out it was an actual "rager" (Mori’s word)
>Party was still going when Gura arrived (Mori expected it to be over by then)
>Mori streams a mandatori shilling stream for her music alone in her room
>Mori says that Gura is alone in an other room, but not even her knows what she’s doing exactly
>Sister (or sister’s friend not sure) posted a video on instagram
>People actually found the airbnb
>long hours of no activity from Mori nor Gura
>full myth stream as if nothing happened
>no one said anything about any airBnb, could be the same place that was doxxed. Could be a list minute airBnb
>the topic has been completely avoided ever since
>even when Kiara talked about taking group pictures and using the pool, it is unclear if it was Mori’s airBnb or a new one

>>38214297
>that they might assume the audience is more open, and they are somewhat right
Are we? In the west we have no content that is comparable to what Hololive offers, I would argue the things that make it unique are valued more by us than the nips and that we would also be more upset about it going away

>>38214346
sounds like even that is kinda nothing. if the drama is "maybe something happened but we have no clue" there's no real point. certainly a learning experience but if nothing bad happened then nothing bad happened.

>>38214415
I can see that. I don’t want Hololive to change into a mixed gender environment. If that integration fully happens I would drop it. So I’m not open to it. I mostly think that the west is “more open” based on the original numbers the guys were getting. I don’t care for JP stars, but I don’t think their releases in general have gotten as big of numbers from their fans for debuts and such. Maybe I’m completely wrong. I’m not sure.

>>38214473
The main focus of the drama was "Nooo how my baby shark’s doing, pls gib me news!!!!"
Because saying that she’s in a "rager" party and then silence radio isn’t very good for reassuring fans.

Then the drama shifted to Mori being irresponsible for giving the airBnb to her sister. But it is kinda nothing.

>>38214548
>I don’t care for JP stars, but I don’t think their releases in general have gotten as big of numbers from their fans for debuts and such.
I'm not an advertising expert or anything remotely close but I feel like they aren't marketed very well. Council debut was advertised really badly too.

>>38214576
Mori is an indie rapper, by "rager" she probably meant there were 6 people she didn't know and 2 of them were holding red solo cups, and Flo Rida's "My House" was playing on someone's phone through Spotify.

They're fucking lazy, most of them come from twitch where reacting to Youtube gets you viewers.
I'm not trying to downplay V-Tuber as some sort of easy job because it isn't specially when you have to adhere to copyright restrictions that don't exist in the West.
None of them organize anything and if they do it's scuffed as fuck, There's no synergy group like miComet/StartEnd/Bakatare because they all do there own shit like robots.

>>38214645
Except there is the instagram video

>>38200726
You say that as if outside agitators weren't taking shots at Kronii well before those statements were made, and that she just decided to make a statement out of nowhere. Kronii didn't shoot first.

>>38214850
Kroni is a legit retard for how she handled everything. It’s no surprise that she needed a third party to bail her out of the hole she dug for herself.

>>38214845
is there any confirmation it's even the same building

>>38214850
she's supposed to be a professional anime girl idol, she shouldn't be taking shots at her own fanbase at all.

>>38214934
Ah yes, it was all Kronii's fault, it wasn't the fuckers acting like retards in her chat pushing agendas. It wasn't the random new names coming in and pushing ships. She let those fuckers down easily in my view.
>>38215112
The people she shot at were not part of her fanbase, anyone who was there could tell you this simple fact. I was there. They should have been drawn and quartered.

>>38215185
>no true scotsman

>>38215185
Kronii talking directly to them several times makes it Kronii's fault. If they're "not her fanbase" she should be ignoring them or having her mods ban them, not talking to them while streaming.

>>38214297
>was it really worth it
Considering their performance right now? Probably not. And before someone comes with superchat/membership statistics the StarsJP members are rather successful on that area and were never a money dump like some of their antis in this board like to say, but an EN3 would be INSANELY more popular and more successful and wouldn't have dropped their numbers that fucking hard in 4 month unless Cover hired 5 charisma black holes who all did a Sana 2 months after debut.

>>38214415
The western side was certainly way more open to the idea of a male branch under Holopro than Japan, but still not enough to call it a huge success. Tempus had quite a decent first couple of months and broke a lot of expectations early on, but they ended up plateauing way bellow all of HoloEN, even Sana somehow, and with Vesper's suspension the little momentum they still had pretty much all went away and I won't be surprised if in the coming months they end up bellow Roberu's numbers.

>>38215243
Kronii didn’t have mods prior to this shitfest; she had to interrupt her own streams to ban porn bots on her own for a while.

That edit about Ayame calling Ina a korean dog is even funnier now that Ina has essentially become the EN Ayame

>>38215185
Yes. Her fans reacted to something she did negatively. It’s her fault. Cope all you want about how you didn’t recognize every green or grey name like some sort of bookkeeping autist, but she upset a portion of her fans, and handled it terribly.

>>38215229
Considering that Kronii has a really recognizable viewerbase that effectively acts as an iron curtain against things like this, I can confidently say that the no true Scotsman fallacy does not apply here.
>>38215243
She didn't have mods at the time and even if she did (((they))) still would have found ways to circumvent. People like you would just prefer nobody defends themselves and leaves themselves vulnerable to attack. That creates a society of weaklings.

>>38215295
and she still wouldn't need mods if she didn't start a war with a chunk of her previous viewbase and straight up declare that she will no longer follow through on what she told them recently and that if they don't like it they can fuck themselves

>>38215387
Yeah some fans, going out of their way to create burner accounts and pushing ships of Kronii and Altaire. They are either not fans or they are really damn dumb. And no, I am not talking about people who made their feelings known in comments like Gabe, I actually did the same thing.

>>38199733
>What do you think is the main factor that killed HoloEN?
Basically having no real competition even until npw which made them lazy and easygoing. All the supposed gura killers flopped hard and will continue to flop hard due to how retarded and stupid the other companies are which in turn will just fuel holoens easygoing approach

>>38215503
She didn't tell anyone to go fuck themselves and her "promise" was actually really shit. It effectively ended her showing her POV on tempus collabs. Imagine wanting your oshi to stream with men with no pov. Couldn't be me.

>>38215503
Based and truepilled. And it seems like it all was for nothing atm with the strangely timed no collabing happening right now. I

Outside of talent personalities it seems like fallout from management. I've seen someone reference the job listings for their managers for day to day stuff and the pay is shit. They won't get people for what they are offering. And then management seems to not give them proper attention. Problems with resources like game approvals. But also not cracking down on the laziness. They are much more like indies than they expected. Cover provides views and basics, and that is all they do. If you're fine with that you can do well. Look at ID. A lot of them seem pretty casual, but you have Kaela who works hard and has built up because of it. Kiara has some debuffs, but she works hard. Fauna seems to be doing really well lately. Bae and Mumei have ups and downs. I'm not sure where I fall on Ame. Gura is lazy and if she was judged on her recent streams alone she would not be very popular. She is coasting on memories. Mori, ugh. Female white rapper wannabe. That says enough.

>>38199733
Council is fine, but missed out on the covid boost. Myth is a broken generation without any chemistry between the genmates. Especially compared to HoloJP Gen 3 and HoloX.
I feel kinda sad for Kiara. She streams consistently, produces music and doesn't do just gaming streams.

>>38215639
I thought it was a pretty good compromise. She gets to be a whore and boost faggot numbers, and I don’t have to see her being a whore on her own channel. It’s better this way as I don’t have to be baited into the expectation of clicking on a watchable stream. I’m not about to want to watch a lisping faggot or a fake voice rapist when I click on a girls stream.

>>38215795
I don't recall Kronii having sexual relations with anyone in Tempus so your whore characterization is inaccurate at best and downright degenerate at worst.

>>38215639
I couldn't give a shit if she appeared in some group stream on a channel I never see, but seeing her reassure her fans that she will not go out of the way to interact with the tempus dudes only to immediately interact with pictures of their underwear on twitter was sad to see, and when her fans rightfully said that is kinda weird of her to do after saying she wouldn't do it she had a meltdown and said "well fuck all you then I'm going to change my mind to spite you".

Not much skin off my back in the end, I watch Kaela instead now. I would prefer someone that was speaking 100% english, but Kaela streams in english at like 800% the rate Kronii does so I can't complain.

>>38200939
Correct

>>38215706
I feel like part of the collab spam was less on her trying to own unicorns and more on her old manager apparently stonewalling and ghosting her on following up on projects she’s wanted to do so she opted to join in on those just to make her schedule seem less vacant at the time.

The last 2 months have been pretty good in comparison since she mentioned getting a new manager, and the fact she’s the one trying to setup big collabs like Project Winter with the EN and ID girls shows she’s getting more support than she was before.

>>38215946
>I watch Kaela instead now.
same. I'm glad Kronii did It Takes Two with Kaela around that time, it helped me jump ship easily when I realized I was enjoying the vtuber I didn't know more than my supposed oshi in their collab.

>>38215727
>you have Kaela who works hard and has built up because of it
and on the opposite end you have anya, risu, iofi and reine who also work hard but never inclines
its not about working hard or streaming consistently especially on youtube it has always been about entertainment factor and its just that a lot of people fin gura entertaining

>>38215764
>I feel kinda sad for Kiara. She streams consistently, produces music and doesn't do just gaming streams.
Do you at least understand why she doesn't grow despite doing those things though?

>>38215946
For one thing, she did not say she would never interact with them on twitter. For another thing, she never said "fuck you" to anyone. You overreacted. Not that I care, the more impure degenerates jump ship the more of a chance I have of getting read.

>>38216089
enjoy the used goods that doesn't respect her viewers

>>38215946
The underwear tweet was definitely a misstep on her part, but she said “she doesn’t really interact with the guys on Twitter” and barring that example I don’t she’s done anything to promote any of them on Twitter outside of retweeting the Bad End Night cover she was a part of.

>>38216055
Anya, Risu, Iofi, and Reine have all broken the Homoseal and deserve to recline and be put to rest in a vacant in Detroit.

>>38201500
Things were going better than ever approaching HoloFes 3, but then they announced HomoEN auditions which killed the hype, then they debuted Tempiss and wiped out all popularity.
>HomoEN auditions announced 3/22
>Tempiss debut 7/22

>>38207662
that's just regular /inf/ copium

>>38216114
I feel pretty respected despite being in the portion of her fanbase who wrote their disapprovals respectfully in the comments. Weird. It is almost as if perhaps if everyone else was as respectful the outcome may have been completely different.

>>38216144
Right, the main issue wasn't even the underwear tweet but that she blew it up into a complete 180 where she went off about how she can do whatever she wants after people mentioned the underwear tweet in chat. She could have realized it was a mistake and silently took note of it even if she didn't want to apologize for it, instead she took the nuclear option.
It's hard to like an oshi that has open disdain for some of her viewers because it makes it easy to assume she dislikes more of them but just doesn't say it.

>>38216271
Yeah, if the streamer was respectful the outcome would have been better.

>>38199733
EN

>>38216055
Kaela also came right out with a pretty strong ship with Zeta, and both attached themselves to their EN oshis pretty early on.

>>38216080
I know, she's definitely not the most entertaining vtuber out there and her numbers are inflated because she's streaming under the Hololive banner, but her handcam and HoloTalk streams are nice though.

>>38216294
Respect begets respect. People were disrespectful towards her, so respect was not given in return. I don't care, because I know she wasn't talking about me.

>>38216274
She must’ve been having an episode or something during all of that lmao. She says one thing, does another, changes her mind, goes to a clippers channel to post cringe, makes a promise, breaks a promise etc. That’s not exactly in order.

>>38199733
Western whores, simple as. Japanese standards should be applied to Japanese hobbies.

>>38216146
aside from risu the rest were never gonna incline even if they broke the homoseal or not.

>>38199733
twitter fags, clipniggers and the 2 trannys killed en

>>38216274
>she went off about how she can do whatever she wants after people mentioned the underwear tweet in chat
That never happened.

>>38216480
Maybe, but now I’ll never know first hand as I have unrecommended all of their channels.

>>38216570
they never inclined before they interacted with the males anon

>>38216055
Anya deserves more views. Risu and Iofi don't seem to stream much. I like some of the games Reine plays, but she has a bit of a personality debuff and streams really late into the night/morning for ID.

>>38216274
Can vtubers stop reminding viewers that they have the freedom to decide their own content and viewers don’t have a say? The sane ones already know that, the schizos just get mad. The idea behind having an oshi is the belief that she wants to make the same kind of content you want to watch. If that isn’t the case, the second-smartest move is to just fake it (the first smartest is to actually do the kind of content you want and eat what’s hopefully a temporary recline, but I get that many people don’t want to do that for understandable reasons).
Anyway, my main point is, nobody puts up with a vtuber whose streams they don’t like just to support them, unless they’re parasocial schizos. So don’t make that the only motivation for people to stay ffs

Why did mods delete this masterpiece?
also Gura is literally a tomboy lesbo

>>38216426
this mindset does not work for idols and it's why she will never be high tier

>>38216867
Kronii is unironically the most receptive holo when it comes to listening to what fans want. She even makes polls at times to let fans influence her decisions. The only reason she does certain things is because her fans want her to. Apparently that wasn't good enough for some people.

>>38199733
It makes me smile to see Kiara went from being despised to one of the good ones.

>>38216953
>also Gura is literally a tomboy lesbo
proof?

>>38217137
yeah she totally listens to what her fans want like when she started a stream off by saying that she lied about being conservative with tempiss interaction and will do whatever she wants in the future no matter what fans say or think

>>38217107
I would rather my oshi be a low tier idol than let people walk all over her. I'm not anti idol but God damn if I will ever agree with the weak mindset of allowing oneself to be blatantly disrespected.

>>38217220
>>I would rather my oshi be a low tier idol
Kronii isn't an idol, idols don't interact with male idols on a regular basis

>>38217219
She actually tried understanding our point of view until certain people decided to latch onto every little thing she did as some sort of microaggression against them.

>>38217137
I say it’s 50/50 on whether she hates the duck’s final evolution because she’s managed to tolerate it so far; either the constant dancing will annoy her or she’ll be like “you’re so fabulous.”

>>38217239
>That mindset does not work for idols
>Kronii isn't an idol
Thank you for completely contradicting yourself and invalidating your initial argument.

>Mori gets a cool new deal that almost every other talent would never get yet squanders it and hasn't made anything as good as Your Mori
>Kiara is isolated, she puts herself out there and could probably be doing better if Cover stepped up and helped her do more music and concerts
>Ame won't stop eating bread
>Gura probably lost most of her motivation
>Ina is also literally dying, she wasn't as into it though and almost always say it as a side gig

Tempiss didn't change much. Incompetent management has always been an issue although from what i hear Jenma is the best human being to ever have lived. It's probably middle management and inventors who prioritize JP branches. Like HoloX got so much in such a short amount of time and none of them are particularly talented, Koyori being the exception who makes up talent with hard work.

>>38217164
pic related and the go-to swear word of HER was "suck my dick"

>>38217137
Kronii has always coddled schizos in her fanbase, but she consistently gets surprised when they're unwilling to compromise or overlook the one time she wants something for herself.

>>38217283
You have to remember people here have had a hate boner for her since Day 1; up until StarsEN debuted you had people making daily anti- threads calling her a tranny and a misandrist.

>>38217335
It's not a contradiction you retard, my entire point is that she fails at being an idol while being employed at an idol company.

>>38217492
Oh I am well aware, I do think it is funny how they were mad at her when they thought she was a trans misandrist and at the same time are mad at her when it was proven she wasn't. There is no consistency and much of the negative opinions on her are based in stuff she never said or straight up lies.

>>38217436
>Kiara is isolated, she puts herself out there and could probably be doing better if Cover stepped up and helped her do more music and concerts
Kiara has plenty of music, its just bad unless you've already learned to tolerate the chicken voice.

>>38199733
you killed holoEN

>>38217436
>Kiara is isolated, she puts herself out there
The thing about having an annoying voice as a vtuber is that it's gonna cripple you. It's a shame because she's cute irl and her voice fits that.
>Ina is also literally dying
for real?

>>38217470
>pic related
lol

>>38217492
>You have to remember people here have had a hate boner for her since Day 1
that's genuinely not true, she was never hated nearly as much as Mumei was. She was held up as the one good member of Council until around March.

>>38217484
>overlook the one time she wants something for herself.
When the 1 thing she wanted for herself was visible online in-character interaction with a bunch of boys, that's a problem since she works for an idol company based in Japan.

>>38217563
>Oh I am well aware, I do think it is funny how they were mad at her when they thought she was a trans misandrist and at the same time are mad at her when it was proven she wasn't.
has it been proven? I've never seen anything to prove she isn't trans and she talks like a misandrist to this day.

>>38217546
Then you should bring your complaints to Yagoo for greenlighting Tempus and Tempus collabs in the first place. Instead you are angry at Kronii for doing shit that isn't even forbidden in the agency she works for in the first place. Since that is the case, can Hololive really be classified as an idol agency?

>>38217567
>>38217614
>she's bad
Okay but you realize that's extremely subjective right? Like 4blood and Do u are doing relatively well in terms of growth and are enjoyed by normies, the outreach the songs have though is severely limited and it feels like KFP are doing more to help it than YT's algorithms.

>>38217649
Lol you wish that was the case, people were ripping her for her schedule being light early on and then she had stuff like her PC dying on her and her COVID diagnosis where those types only got louder.

>>38217709
Look here sonny boy, the thing is you people initially made the claim she was a trans misandrist so the burden of proof is on you. So far, no proof of her transgender misandry has been given.

>>38217756
you're retarded if you think Kronii was getting more hate than fucking Mumei from day one.

>>38217920
People were disappointed Mumei didn’t pan out to be the type to actually play Civilization, partnered with the fact management unironically kneecapped stuff like history streams because of fears of another Taiwan yabai. Kronii got outright more hyped-up vitriol because of a cherry-picked comment from an old video and one person she followed on Twitter on her RM account.

>>38218293
>Kronii got outright more hyped-up vitriol because of a cherry-picked comment from an old video and one person she followed on Twitter on her RM account.
details?

>>38218293
Did you memoryhole all the catalog bait threads about Mumei?

>>38211637
As opposed to the people who obviously cannot get a woman in real life?

>>38218410
I’ll be honest that I didn’t pay attention to the other Council girls early on, so it’s not so much memoryholing as it was just noticing more of the bait threads involving Kronii at the time.

>>38200095
>>38200726
This. I still find it hilarious that Tempus are the ones dropping them now after they made a clown out of themselves and split the fanbase.

>>38201500
A shallow but reasonable teal deer.

>>38218512
she was getting shit tons of bait threads and doxxing, far more than Kronii ever got.

>>38201067
>>38214850
You don't feed the dramafags retard. all she had to do is.
>Collab if she wanted
>Treat it like a normal stream
>Ignore hate comments until they die down

>>38214022
Their strategy is brotubers and they got the brotuber audience.
It just turns out that the brotuber audience is smaller than the perpetual virgin audience. Who would have thought?

>>38214297
Their audience is the type of audience who doesn't watch anything but minecraft and is willing to write off myth and council by begging for EN3.

>>38218638
It doesn’t help that the only reason people started really giving her shit in the first place was because some schizo /here/ noticed she followed them on Twitter and sent her a collab-begging SC in the first place which may or may not have started the whole domino effect.

>>38216550
I only know about OmegaTroon, who's the other tranny?

>>38218518
The fanbase split themselves. Everyone knows that the holofanbase is wishy washy as fuck and you don't need to be part of the stupid tribal corpo war to know that.

>>38218777
Ina

Kronii isn't even the topic at hand, but this thread reminded me how fucking delusional Kronies are. Like unironically delusional, not just meme delusional, they truly believe the shit they say.

>>38218938
it helps if you read /inf/ and realize that the biggest schizos there are her favorite paypigs

>>38218641
That I understand, but did they really expect that audience to be as big as the one they would get with an EN3?

>>38218837
I just barely got into vtubing, and I need to know more about all this stuff. Why is everyone so mad? QRD?

>>38219163
They're the kind of people who get mad because Lugia's gender in pokemon is none.

>>38219207
>literal troon
kimoi

>>38219163
No one involved in actually a tranny, it's just a popular boogeyman /here/. Hope this helps!

>>38218938
Ah yes, we are the delusional ones, not the people who shit on Kronii based on shit she never did or said.

>>38219207
the modern /pol/tard amerimutt thinks about black cocks and gender 227 times per day on average.

>>38216080
the retarded voice? it's the only thing stopping me and I swear I tried because she played a lot of games I like and her variety streams are fun ideas on paper

>>38219097
Probably not. The act of managing and doing business is a process, so it’s much easier to be stupid at it. The act of knowing a simple fact is more straightforward, and “brotubers have a lower ceiling than girls” is pretty obvious.
I figure their strategy is to diversify. If they just cared about profit, they wouldn’t have premiered HoloID. The problem is less the existence of Tempus and more opportunity cost—as in, clearly, they either didn’t want to/didn’t have enough resources to work on debuting both Tempus and EN3 at the same time.

>>38219374
You also forgot the fact that their mental age is stuck at 5 years old.

>>38219550
damn that’s crazy. what an epic own.

>>38219400
that is the big one and there is also her personality is a bit overbearing and from what we hear in behind the scenes stuff she gets in scuffles with other holomems due to it

>>38219782
her personality would be much more bearable with a voice like kronii's, the voice she does only makes things worse

>>38219451
>they either didn’t want to/didn’t have enough resources to work on debuting both Tempus and EN3 at the same time
Then they're stupid to focus so much attention on something that obviously would never be as popular as just debuting 5 more girls. I get wanting to diversify, and everyone expected that to happen sooner or later, but right now HoloEN is not in a place that I and many other people would consider healthy, with half of them having inconsistent schedules to outright disappearing for weeks on end, the lack of availability on certain time slots in regards to collabs and the need of overall diversity of content, especially on the music department. Sana's graduation only made things worse, and it boggles my mind how Cover really chose to spend resources on a group that would never be de facto fully integrated within HoloEN when at least half of the girls want nothing with them. I hope this isn't another Uproar situation here with having to wait almost 2 whole years for EN3, but at this point I honestly won't be surprised if it ends up taking longer than that.

>>38219987
kronii may be a shitter but at least she only punches down on viewers and doesn't try starting fights with other holomems

>>38220029
kronii gets away with a lot of the shit she does and say because of her sex model and voice

>>38213802
>Literal lie. She worked on the fist day a lot.
Yes and it was set back after set back. Kiara flat out said Ina was trying to temper the expectations for a while until it finally smoothed out.
>Who was sick after the collab?
Ame and Ina were for sure.

>>38218410
>>38218512
It was mostly due to the mindbroken nijifag aka councilschizo

>>38219998
My best guess? They were afraid that EN3 was just a bandaid and that the same problems that beset the rest of the branch would eventually affect them. Maybe they thought introducing Tempus would shake things up structurally and result in longer-term changes?
>of course it did—for the worse
To be completely honest, I seriously did not think it would be as big of a deal as it did. Mostly because I didn’t think the ones who would collab with Tempus would be so stupid about it. My most charitable explanation is that management didn’t realize how little some of the EN members understood their own audience. I’m sure plenty of anons can provide less charitable ones.

>>38218938
Kronies are a bit weird, but from my observations as a new kronie, their interactions with Kronii through chat comments and superchats are very normal - even when discussing heavy topics

>>38220717
its freechat and her twitter replies where you see them act like freaks. also depending on how new you are you've missed the Gabe era.

>>38220631
I think Kronii has tried to memoryhole the whole thing for almost 2 months now, and honestly that’s probably the best approach for her going forward if she keeps at it because bringing it up against this point would just restart the whole thing. Though I’m not naive enough to think that only because we have two homo birthdays right at the start of the new year there’s a good chance she’ll participate in the totsu calls for those since she did so for the other two so far, so you can expect this place to act like it’s DEFCON 1 all over again even if she doesn’t outright do anymore collabs with them between now and then.

>>38220631
If talents don't understand audience, that's something managment should fix.
But EN management understand audience even less.

>>38220980
Yeah I was talking about the post-Gabe era
>>38220995
There's going to be the usual bait threads but there's no way people are going to care that much about collabs or call-ins now that she made her stance clear

>>38220631
>Maybe they thought introducing Tempus would shake things up structurally and result in longer-term changes
When more than half of the branch never gave a fuck about StarsJP? Did they seriously thought they could achieve the same thing Nijisanji has with HoloEN? I'm with this anon >>38221090 and I also believe the EN management somehow understood less the appeal of Hololive if they thought throwing a StarsEN into the mix would help things in any way. Not only it made things worse they're already starting to coast by HoloEN mode after Vesper's suspension, and who knows what will happen when (or if) he comes back.

>>38217614
>It's a shame because she's cute irl
You know, it's funny to think she's got the makings to be a good flesh tuber but she never took off as one. Her personality is very polarizing which is why I think she never took off in her past life. But since the point of a vtuber is to hide the flesh and put the personality on display it's easy to understand why she had the slowest growth of all her genmates. Luckily she's got a dedicated audience which enjoys her content now.

>>38221272
>EN management somehow understood less the appeal of Hololive if they thought throwing a StarsEN into the mix would help things in any way
Who says the buck stops at just EN Management, The recent streaming ban for both Hololive and Holostars events seems to indicate that the order to combine or at least blur the lines between the male and female talents comes from the top.
Hell there was even that tweet by aster tagging haachama when they never did tagged anyone outside the approved lists.

What is Myth? It's 5 cute girls, trying their best to shine together with silly anime avatars.
That was their identity, but now it's gone.
>5 : Ina does has semi-graduated
>girls : tempus
>trying their best : they've become lazy
>together : no collabs anymore
>silly anime avatars : some are pushing their RM shit too much

Myth is dead because it has lost its identity

>>38199733
I actually think it's fine. All these whining faggots itt can't even manage to post images, do you think they watch streams?

>>38221417
>>38221272
Okey, if it's comming from JP top, where are they going with this?
I don't know much about JP side, but I imagine that jp are even less open to this then en.
So what? Cover what more mass appeal? I can't think of anything or how that would work.
>>38221090 (you)

>>38221590
Success fucks with people. Not that it’s inevitable, but it’s too easy to learn the wrong lessons from it.
>Wow, we inclined way harder than even JP hq expected. We must be inherently amazing at what we do!
No, motherfucker. It’s because HoloJP was well-known because of clips, the production quality was somewhat good because you were part of a corpo, and you took this shit somewhat seriously and actually gave a fuck.
Now that there’s other options, no longer having that last part anymore is a huge problem.

>>38221720
>where are they going with this?
They think that the girls popularity will rub off on the males and that forcing every hololive stream to stop for a holostar stream will make the majority people who watch the girls watch the male event.

>>38221417
It seems likely that the top brass of HoloJP resorted to forcing the merge after Uproar flopped even with their advertising campaign.
For whatever reason, they're obsessed with making the male talents popular even though it's probably not possible.

>>38221808
>the production quality was somewhat good because you were part of a corpo,
That and Holojp actually had access to cover and innk studios while en was just left to rot.

>>38221417
That tweet Astel quoted was because of a fanart Haato tweeted that had mascots or figures associated with all of Holopro, so in a way it was weird for her to have posted that art in the first place. But other than that you might be somewhat right that there is some interest at the top of having Holopro finally be a cohesive thing, but it'll never happen. Unless management starts being more influential (read authoritarian) Holopro will always be just a name because most members of either side prefer things to stay mostly separated than brute forced into a Nijisanji situation. Uproar 3D debuts saw basically no growth when compared to the rest of the Stars, with 3 out of 4 not even crossing the 10k viewers mark, and we'll most likely see a pretty considerable valley on Hololive's New Years stream around the LivexStars collab part. Unless Cover is really retarded (which they often are) they'll see how all these attempts aren't doing anything and either stop or double down with even stupider decisions, and I really hope the latter doesn't happen because then we will definitely see graduations like Mayuzumi's with the "didn't agree with the direction the company was heading" justification.

>>38221900
Are you sure? That doesn't seem more profitable to me. I get diversification but I don't think funnel like that. I don't see how any decent manager can see even with optimistic % of audience conversion as finantialy good.

>>38221931
Music is so essential to being *big* in vtubing (not just doing ok) that it isn’t even a joke. I think this is why Hololive went for the “virtual idols” angle in the first place—because making good songs is the best way to incline quickly (assuming the vtuber’s streams are decent).
In retrospect, the first sign that these issues weren’t just covid related was the garbage that the producers they hired wrote for Irys. They tried to make music more of a thing in EN and they fucking ate shit.

>>38221991
>Are you sure?
What other explanation is there for stopping all Hololive streams just for a stars stream
>I don't think funnel like that
Some of the stars fans have actually said that and have complained that all its doing is getting uneeded heat on the boys.

>>38218518
It was bound to happen. Tempus didn't know shit about cover before joining and just accepted the invitations because they saw them as regular collabs, but when the dramafags jumped at their necks they decided they didn't want that shit anymore. They weren't even that close to the holos to begin with anyway I think the ones who lasted the most are Magni and Mori.

>>38222135
Pretty ironic that tempus were also the ones that also got the most damage from the collab stunt.

>>38201500
>If none of those reasons apply to you, and you're open to shopping around for potentially better alternatives
e) I love drama (yeah fuck it, I'm a dramafag) and when there's drama on hololive it's special compared to other bodies, I don't watch streams, I don't expect anything from the girls, I'm just for the drama.

>>38222071
>What other explanation is there
I don't know. I dont get iot. It can't be that they sacrifice all that for what? Few thousand people that maybe watch boys stream of few hundred that buy ticket for a concert?
Are they trying to break "idol" mold for some mass appeal? I get that if they are no longer idols but regular entertainers, that opens more possibilities.
> getting uneeded heat on the boys
Not surprising.

>>38220631
The only thing that Tempus is accomplishing is showing how lazy the rest of EN is.

>>38222329
>Are they trying to break "idol" mold for some mass appeal?
nope mixed idol groups are a thing and they probably want that

>>38221991
>>38222071
I think it was a branding thing. Ever noticed how the short for “Hololive” is “Holo”, and the short for “Holostars” is “Stars”? My guess is their reasoning was the following:
>“hololive”, but guys. Sounds way better than “this corpo that has all dudes”
>the corpo’s overwhelmingly dominated by the girls. Nobody has to watch the guys. What’s the issue, anyway?
>there’s only these concerts and 3D debuts a handful of times per year, and most of the girls don’t stream during them anyway.
They probably figured that these rules weren’t that big of a deal, the changes were pretty minor and mostly would affect the boys (positively), and that even if most people don’t want to watch the boys, it wouldn’t affect them that much so they’d get over it.
I think they just didn’t account for how small the crossover between Hololive and Holostars truly was, how paranoid fans can be about even tiny changes if they think it’s a sign of something bigger, and how plenty of the talents themselves (read: EN) don’t get the memo about these being meant to be *tiny* changes.

>>38222419
There is one positive thing that tempus achieved and thats them souring the higher ups taste for male en vtubers.

>>38222455
>mixed idol groups
fucking retarded idea

well, I guess back to anime I go, unless Ina returns. Thanks anon

>>38222489
>and most of the girls don’t stream during them anyway.
your logic is retarded anon since girls dont stream over the other girls events but dont care about the boys events.
if anything its not a branding but actual mixing

>>38222419
Well, that’s not a bad idea in theory. It’s definitely a more subtle way to tell the girls “quit being lazy shits and fucking stream already.”
Of course, that can also be demotivating, especially if it’s *too* subtle. Look at all the anons here who think the root of the problem is male collabs and not the infrequency of streams.

>>38199733
>ina not being committed to streaming, not getting close to anyone
>calli being too much of a workaholic, not having time to get close to anyone
>ame being too much of an introvert, not getting close to anyone
>gura being stuck up and sucking up to JP + council too much, not getting close to anyone
Kiara is unironically the glue that's barely holding this gen together. Ame gets points too for at least organizing fun events (even if only half of the girls show up to them these days).

>>38222419
>>38222605
If anything it gave the opposite effect because of how fast the boys audience shrank even with their frequency of streams. It just solidified the notion that frequency and hardwork dont mean shit if youre not entertaining which has been proven with nijien.

>>38220631
EN3 is a bandaid. It's written all over the wall. It wont fix myth and council.

>>38222756
same shit was said for jp3 and yet here we are.

>>38222602
Did you completely miss the point of what I was saying? I was saying that before the rule was put into place, plenty of the JP girls already didn’t stream over STARS 3D debuts and concerts. They probably thought making this unofficial practice an official policy would be a relatively minor thing.
>the girls who do stream over the boys get inclines
Yeah, probably. I wouldn’t be surprised if that were true. I’m just speculating on what they might have been thinking. I’m not saying it was a good idea.

>>38222419
Not only that >>38222730 but they're already starting to become lazy, so even this exposé was short lived.

>>38222785
Any new gen can be more than just a bandaid if you hire the right people. It’s just that I don’t have any faith that they can, given their track record.

>>38199733
People really miss the forest for the trees here.

Covid shutdowns was why 1) viewership was huge at the start and 2) the girls were close. Now that they can go out and be with irl friends and family, they're just off doing that instead of sitting inside all day streaming with their anime girl coworkers. That's literally it. Kiara and Calli especially were probably aching to finally spend some time doing anything but sitting at home playing shitty games and doing dumb voices. It was fun at the time, a nice distraction from sitting inside all day, but ever since they've had the freedom to return to their normal lives they've clearly lost a lot of passion.

>>38222756
EN3:
>All 5 stream consistently
>Don't collab with tempiss or random ecelebs
>Not abrasive towards their audience
>Actually have enough chemistry in collab content to create story arcs like JP
It shouldn't be as hard as they're making it, everything apart from the 4th point should be basic requirements, not fantasies that EN1/2 are struggling with. Having a strong new gen to add to irys/fauna/moom would shift the balance in favour of good holos, diluting the influence of Mori and her ilk and making each individual less capable of damaging the branch as a whole.

>>38199733
They're down to 9 active members, fanbase was split due to Tempus, they skipped having a summer event, and they just kinda play random games without liking any of them.

>>38210180
Uh based department? Hello? A female is harassing her co worker sexually.

>>38223180
Cover isn't about to hire girls that will ignore the guys. also even if all of this came true, it doesn't change the fact that Cover won't spend money on them. one year in they'll still be in their debut outfits, with 2 JP original flops between them, watching Gura and Ina phone in their 12th gacha collab.

>>38223304
>Cover isn't about to hire girls that will ignore the guys.
>Cover won't spend money on them
Likely true. Like I said, it doesn't need to be as hard as they're making it, it's self inflicted at this point.

>>38223180
You guys overestimate Mori’s influence desu.

>>38222419
I wonder if they're riding off membership since I can imagine that alone means they can all mostly live comfortably with minimum streaming. Honestly I've really been moving away from the Myth girls in general since Gura and Ina rarely stream. Council never really clicked for me, sometimes if no one else is on I'll watch moom. Of Tempus it's pretty much Axel, but he's the only person I actively watch now on the EN side right now.

>>38222954
Jp1 and Jp2 were duds but Sankisei brought cover to new heights same with id3 in the indonesian market.

>>38223269
what do you mean 9 active members?
sana: gone
ina: hiatus, future unknown
gura: vanishes for weeks
mori: vsinger
mumei: college
bae: college
kronii: unwatchable
in practice, preferences taken into account, it boils down to around 4 or less

>>38223180
>>All 5 stream consistently
>>Don't collab with tempiss or random ecelebs
>>Not abrasive towards their audience
>>Actually have enough chemistry in collab content to create story arcs like JP
All of that will still mean squat if they wont have the same access to the studios as the jp. They will still recline and probably also run out of enthusiasm for the lack of support like with what happened with myth council and even irys pre revamp.

>>38223304
>>38223492
*In theory*, this could mean something as simple as,
>hey, can you at least not do a Gura and acknowledge they exist?
>sure, but I don’t want to collab with them cause that’ll kill my growth
>yeah, that’s fine
Whether that would be how they actually do it, I don’t know. God knows that all collabing with Tempus did was end up hurting Tempus themselves.

>>38221417
>aster

You guys want to act like you know what's going on behind the scenes but can't even get the guy's name right.

>>38222419
How can tempiss show how lazy the rest of EN is when no one is watching them you retard?

>>38223304
If they're willing to lose potential great hires because they don't want to collab with StarsEN then the branch deserves the slow death it's currently experiencing. They literally protected Kronii's ass with that cringe statement saying they fully support the kind of content their talents want to make, for them to only look for girls who are fine with male collabs means that was a fucking lie (which, let's be real, it was).

>>38223873
>Actually remembering the homos names.
No thanks.

>>38223966
this

>>38222730
It’s true. The boys could be working 80 hour work weeks and I’d still call them faggots who should stream more. If only in the hopes they give out and die on stream.

>>38218518
It happens when you are the junior of in a new company- you follow what your older coworkers say. It wasn´t until it was too late that everyone realized that maybe collabing too much with a branch that needs to settle their own shit 1st in the 1st six months would hurt their reputation.
Wharever. I hope that Stars EN 2 only focus on collabing with their the Stars, other Male vtubers, or any vtuber that actually can be fun to play with.
I´ll say it here and now, I hate tribalism, but what I hate even more is this stupid unity that at end didn´t pay off at all.

>>38222936
Well the problem is that.
Vesper made his managers feelings hurty wurty
Magni got in a car accident/sick. He streamed while sick until he got a bad fever. His fever broke today so he's going to stream.
Axel is in Japan now.
Altare is picking up the slack for vesper.

>>38223304
Too true. Management at EN has too many trannies or retards that unironically think there’s a large consistent viewerbase of people want to watch faggots intermingle with every member of Hololive. They’ll push that to the branches grave.

>>38199733
The western mindset.
Cover didnt do a good job picking women who cant keep their vagina in their pants, and dont have a good work ethic

>>38223849
If any of a new EN 3 mentions the guys I will actively anti them and unrecommend their channels. Simple as.

>>38223943
Theoretically, if they try to hire without asking the question at all and just let the girls figure it out, we should get something similar to the current ratio, or about two out of five male collabers, and in theory they should know spamming male collabs is dumb and to keep it at a reasonable level.
In practice, we’ve seen that there is a stunning lack of common sense all around. In theory, Tempus has been a success, since they do get a lot of views compared to most of StarsJP, and NijiEN doesn’t have a monopoly on all the males anymore. In practice, having to worry about this shit because you can’t trust people on the EN side to use basic common sense regarding vtuber culture is why this is a problem.

>>38224288
based unicorn

>>38223180
Imagine being on a board for e celebs and complaining about e celebs.
Imagine being on a board where everyone begs for collabs and complains about collabs.

>>38223873
Actually so fucking funny that there are still faggots like you that come here and try to correct info about the dead faggot branch that no one is watches. His name could be Azuvius and no one would know or give a shit.

>>38224185
I hope that the EN branch dies before there is a StarsEN 2. I would rather everyone be graduated and their channels wiped than add 4-5 more faggots to EN

>>38224364
>Thinks this board likes ecelebs and faggot collabs
Oh look, a newfag.

>>38223966
I knew someone would reply with this. But it just outs you as a thread reader who only repeats paranoid rhetoric about management and think the tweet is evidence of that when you're not even familiar with the homo in question.

>>38224233
Why is god so cruel? He could’ve finished Magni in the car accident. It’s a shame how things work out sometimes.

>>38224430
v tubers are e celebs, retard.

>>38224430
Leave him, he will soon return to reddit posting greentexts about his stay.

>>38224431
>>38224371

>>38224371
So you're bragging about not actually having the correct info because you don't watch them but still want to use his tweet for your rrats about management? You can't have both.

>>38224497
>try to infiltrate le ebin 4chin
>they called me a faggot
>I shitted myself, farted and cummed
>y is 4chonn liek dis bros
>couldn’t even downvote Le Ebin Troll

>>38199733
1. Homobeggars
2. Tempus

This anon’s shitposting aside >>38224288, this shows the basic problem with StarsEN, especially debuting a gen 2. Even though most of /vt/ is nowhere this extreme about it, the fanbase is divided into two groups: people who don’t like or don’t care about StarsEN, and people who like or at least occasionally watch them. The former don’t like being reminded Tempus exists because they remember the collab spam, the latter already knows Tempus exists.
Now that the collab spam era has already passed, it would be really awkward for all future gens to go Gura mode, even if that might actually be the best path forward. The best case scenario is, I dunno, a KFC/Taco Bell situation, where most people see a combination KFC-Taco Bell restaurant every so often, think “that’s funny”, and move on without realizing that it’s because the two are owned by the same corporation.

>>38216193
The tempus pushing was disgusting and I’ve been turned off of holoEN these days. I’m not even a “unicorn” but the company pushing male collabs constantly and getting involved with drama really annoyed me. Just keep good things the same, don’t “fix” what isn’t broken.

>>38200095
SPBP. It's been known that Holo EN has SJWs for management. Starting with the tranny Omega and the Producer who wants to bring a more inclusive Hololive. Didn't know there were so many SJWs expats in Tokyo.

>>38224233
>Vesper and Magni
Huh maybe that rrat that one of the boys ratted out vesper which caused his suspension is true and magni is just using the back hurt excuse to lie low.

>>38223680
4 is pretty good. I can only watch one

>>38224784
There's some management or talent stalking here so you never know.

>>38224747
you wish this was sjw but its much worse since its management greed

>>38224430
>He doesn't know what an e celeb is
I think the one who is new is you. Go post a vtuber on /v/ and /vg/ and go watch them melt down because its a mean e celeb who touched their micro penises inappropriately.

>>38224850
Best way to know is how vesper reacts when he comes back, if he ignores the suspension then you know he's the one that fucked up hard if he acknlowdges it but dodges it then you know he slightly fucked up and if he actually addresses it directly then its management who fucked up

>>38224870
(Hololive) tubers are e-celebs for people who hate e-celebs. It’s anime characters livestreaming, and the fans like anime characters not livestreamers.

>>38224870
>Doesn't know that the phrase "eceleb" has been used to refer to fleshchuubas as a way of differentiating them from vchuubas since this board's inception
Go back to /v/ faggot.

>>38224870
since when anyone care what /v/ thinks?

>>38214548
>I don’t want Hololive to change into a mixed gender environment

Why?

>>38225315
There's no rationalizing with unicorns and hololive fans. They're mental defectives.

>>38225315
Either you're a newfag, in which case you should lurk more, or you've read the answer to this question debated incessantly for years and your question is disingenuous bait. Either way, fuck off.

>>38225315
They're broken cuck mentality /a/ refugees who think that everything in the universe is cucking them.

>>38225315
>>I don’t want Hololive to change into a mixed gender environment
because that made the nijifemales lose their audience to hololive and made hololive the top vtuber company dethroning nijisanji for the spot.

It never had a chance. Western chicks cannot and will not do idol-ish. They take any expectation of any level of purity as tantamount to circumcising them. You want to get an actual dedicated performer? Who'll maintain the role and not betray massive contempt for her fans? Better be ready for some insufferable irony poisoned memes retard. Even if you did get ONE of the mystical creature you're after, who's gonna believe it?

>>38225664
When it comes to the whole nijisanji thing, i've realized that this situation really exposes the great vulnerability of EN hololive.
When people dont stream, it hurts bad. We're basically going in circles at this point where everyone is looking for an answer other than 'she doesn't stream' to why EN is doing bad.
Even if there are a lot of people not streaming on the nijisanji side, its fine because there are a lot of other streamers that you can watch. At the same time, there's a million fucking streamers so when they're all streaming, you have to stick with a few.

>>38225395
>>38225577
>>38225610
>>38225664

I get it, they don't want to break the fantasy of them with direct and personal connection with the vtuber. If another male vtuber goes in, the illusion is broken. It's interesting because I saw holo vtubers like comedians and musicians, nothing more, they can do whatever shit they want at the pace they can do it, I don't care and that's all.

>>38224474
Magni isn't allowed to leave until I've seen genderswap porn of him getting gangbanged by the other homos

>>38225315
Because I specifically want to watch anime women, and already watch dozens of not hundreds of fleshtuber dudes on YT or Twitch. I have absolutely no desire to look at anime dudes. Never have.

>>38224747
you have brain poisoning, no corpo that still keeps IRyS and Mori around has SJWs. English fans literally only know about Hololive because Miko said "nigger". and anyone who sees Omega as a tranny instead of a chuuni retard larping as a god is just obsessed with trannies.

>>38224233
>Vesper made his managers feelings hurty wurty
No matter how many times you repeat this it won't change the fact that he was somehow suspended for something pretty much every single non-ID member has done in the past and even got the full course treatment. Yeah, sure, it could been just management being too sensitive, or he could also be a retarded menhera that actually fucked up royally and managed to go a step beyond people like Kiara or Astel who are textbook menheras when the topic is dealing with management. Also while I'm not going to question Magni's car accident it's rather interesting how it happens right around now after Vesper got the hammer, his roommate announced he'll come back in January and the branch's popularity has taken a nosedive when compared to 2 months ago. Not trying to bring up any conspiracy here, but it's certainly a sequence of things that happened quite recently.

>>38225948
Pretty much everyone sees them as comedians and musicians. If you want GFE/BFE you unironically go with nijisanji.
If we're going to be real for a moment, i would never ever want any of the EN girls as a girlfriend. They're barely side chick material.
I looked at Tempus and they're basically the most anti BFE i've ever seen, but they're the kind of people that are ripe for horny posting or shipping posting with x (you), x Tempus, or x Game Character.

>>38225948
I don't think it's even that deep. You want to watch cute anime girl after work and not listen to some random guy droning about something.
Most of the collabs are just some simple game. Are they even more fun then regular stream? If not, what's the point?

>>38226089
You're lacking critical information friend.

>>38226098
Well you know what they say. When it rains, it pours. Sometimes when something bad or inconvenient happens, more shit will pile on.
As for magni's roommate plans, i'm pretty sure that is now on hold due to his injury.

>>38226102
>If you want GFE/BFE you unironically go with nijisanji
What did she mean by this?

>>38226161
Thank goodness. Hopefully he’s debilitated for life.

>>38226132
>tehe, le critikal information. you're missing some forbidden knowledge >:)
shut the fuck up schizo

>>38226132
What critical information, that Omega’s a guy, wanted an avatar that resembled an anime girl, and used the “I have no gender” excuse to pussy out of actually calling himself one? He’s a vtweeter, of course he doesn’t want a bunch of brainless mongoloids on twitter accusing him of larping as a troon, no one wants to deal with that shit.

>>38226348
>>38226378
Did you retards really not see his rm social media accounts getting posted a few months ago?

What’s the reasoning to add males to holoEN? Why try to fix something that isn’t broken? I don’t understand this mentality. Other corpos have mixed collabs and people can go there if that’s what they want.

>>38226423
Spoonfeed us. Not everyone keeps tabs of every single thread in this garbage board.

>>38226474
This thread exists because something is broken.
That thing that is broken is myth and council.

>>38226474
because they saw luxiem getting popular, and Yagoo is unironically a faggot who wanted to make a harem of virile western men. it's always been his pet project.

>>38199733
Cover is their own worst enemy with holoEN. They don't let the talents choose their model, their main outfit, or how their characters are marketed. They constantly micromanage their decisions and cancel their projects even when they have spent months working on them.

There is too much of a difference between what Cover wants and what the talents want. They treat their talents badly which causes them to burn out. After Ina announced her indefinite hiatus it got more noticeable with radio silent breaks, management retweets on their hololive twitter accounts, and the rest of Myth not attending group collabs.

>>38226992
Which is weird because i've heard that Axel had a ton of say when it came to his birthday merch.

>>38227404
Axel the favorite son, that is getting gaming laptop directly from Yagoo to stream, ofcourse he gets a say.

>>38227404
I never bought any holo merch before but i bought his after watching a few of his streams. He's really cute, especially when he's mad.

>>38227404
Tempus has been getting the red carpet treatment because they're the latest manifestation of Yagoo's obsession, which is one possible explanation for why Vesper yabbed so hard: inflated ego from the management kowtowing led to him thinking he was big dick king of shit mountain when he's actually, in the scheme of the company as a whole, a fucking nobody pissant.

>>38227404
The talent are the ones deciding on their merch, although management might have veto power if they want something unorthodox. It's true that they don't choose their model but that's normal. They get input into their additional outfits, especially if they have a good relationship with their parent