/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

They're unironically migrating to more unicorn-friendly VTubers and corporations like Phase Connect's Pippa and Idolcorp's Yuko.

They do it because they can get away with it since they are under the hololive label that those who came before them worked hard to establish.
Lack of consistency should be a death sentence for any streamer's career.

>>38176936
And now Hololive is in a freefall financially and ratingswise. They're finished. Phase Connect, Idolcorp, Production Kawaii, and Indies are the future. They've learned to capitalize on both talent growth and unicorns alike.

>>38177077
Hololive isn't in a freefall, only EN is. JPs are actually gaining in popularity right now.

Feels more like a viewer problem because you guys actually think that you have something special with them. I can barely keep up with them because not everyone is a neet here, some of us actually have a life.

>>38177179
>JPs are actually gaining in popularity right now
This has been false for almost 2 years now.

>>38177179
further prove that the West was a fad in vtubing

>>38177313
Fuck off normalfag. Hololive had one job and that was to reel in unicorns away from their old hobbies being polluted. Now Hololive is just as pozzed as what they once loved and it's no surprise why people are rapidly seeking alternatives quickly enough.

>>38177416
And here's a chart showing luxiem losing to Bae in November, what's your point?

They made their money. Same thing happened with VShojo. Westerners lack the drive to continue once they've made it. Niji keeps them hungry by stealing all their donations.

>>38177550
he's trying too hard showing off the males in nijien that he himself doesn't even watch, lmao.

>>38177667
This applies to both HoloJP and NijiJP too you know

>>38177550
kek

>>38177550
OH NO NO NO NO NO NIJIKEKS DON'T LOOK

>>38177417
If you're talking about En, yeah they've changed but in the JP's nothing much changed and they're pretty much still the same.

>>38176589
Simple.
>"I already make a ton of money, why should I stream?"
>"I don't make any money, why should I stream?"

>>38177179
JP growth is nonexistent though

>>38177179
JP has been reclining for 18 months now bro.

>>38177416
>deleted
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>38177416
DON'T DELETE FAGGOT

>>38177941
>JP growth is nonexistent though
>JPs getting more SC's and ccv
???

>>38178034
He deleted it HAHAHAHHAHA LMFAO.

>>38178046
Negative monthly sub counts since July

>>38177984
>JPs that used to get 1-2k CCV get 5k
>ENs that used to get 20k CCV get 5k
Huh?

>>38178135
They were 5-10K JPs that now get under 5K newfag

nijisis I love you please never leave

>>38177416
>deleted
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>38177416
>>38177550
NIJINIGGERS DESTROYED BY FACTS AND LOGIC

>>38178133
Ahh you were talking about the subs but do you actually believe subs matter to them after 1 mil?

>>38177995
yeah dude, he samefag replied and then deleted his own post, and you are easily convinced by this, because you're underage

>>38177416
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
LOOK AT THIS NIGGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>38178352
Hi, how do you delete your own post?

>>38178349
Yes? NijiEN get close to 50K subs a month. HoloJP could dream of that nowadays.

>>38178223
List those not named towa
>but muh towa
Collabs with males instead of holo. She deservers her recline.

>>38178322
Gura mogged

>>38178584
Don't shitpost with my aussie snek wife

>>38177416
>August
why did you delete your own post? I'll reupload your image nijikek

>>38178719
That's real by the way. She's a 100 view streamer just doing her thing. Then randomly a bunch of hololive bots decided to inflate her viewcount off the chart. This was before raids were a thing too

>>38178820
I know its real, stop shitposting with it

>>38178452
even they're reclining in the subs area anon, they all used to get 50k per month. HoloJP and NijiJP both are reclining in subs but are bigger in SC and ccv to their EN counterparts. Ok am gonna stop with this numbers talk.

>>38176589
Mori acknowledged it

>>38176589
Non shitpost answer is that the end of covid lockdowns have led to a general overall recline in EN viewership for vtubers. JP fandom tends to be more dedicated to watching streams while western viewers as a whole tend to have this lower on their priorities. Now that there’s other stuff to do, EN chuubas are bleeding viewers. Simply put, people aren’t trapped at home

>>38178820

>>38178584
OH NO CHUMBIES AND HOLOFAGS WHATS THIS?

>>38178820
>erreur de la banque en votre faveur

>>38177179
based
I stopped follow and unsubscribed most EN members. I failed into the hole because the JPs not EN

>>38180607
If you understood Japanese you wouldn't be an EN fan in the first place, so let's face it, you are a literal clipnigger.

>>38180607
fuck you talking about ESL-kun?

>>38177416
>deleted

>>38177550
Nijinsider here
luxiem's fanbase is constantly losing steam because of how much AC milks them with merch, seems like almost every month there's a new merch drop which is the usual keychain/decal/pin kek. Luxiem also boasts a large anti fanbase on tik tok and twitter which spread doxx and collects and reposts yabs in growing archives. They've been losing a lot of traction in comparison to the early months.

Not to mention a large portion of their fanbase are gachikoi or unicorns who are constantly filtered by Ethyria, Aia and Scarle.
Vox can no longer reach 10k viewers in his ASMRs, Ike is reaching noctyx status. Luca is losing popularity because he's the straightest man in luxiem and his fanbase hates that he's not attracted to landwhales. Shu is the comfort woman so to speak for all the heartbroken girls who jumped ship from vox or luca. Mysta is still doing really well though, he's reformed from his menhera ways quite a bit.

Noctyx is slowly biting the dust.

>>38177550
DELETE THIS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>38176830
>pippa
>unicorn friendly
SHE HAS LITERALLY THE WORST BOYFRIEND YAB OF ALL TIME AASKLGDFJLKSDJG

>>38178820
So is it actually possible to make money on these things?

>>38177550
ERASE ERASE ERASE ERASE

I'd take a broader picture view and summarize the general longer term HoloEN recline thus with various points (non-exhaustive, not sorted, feel free to add)

A large part of the viewerbase was never actually committed fans in the first place, but basically just lockdown tourists. Vtubers were at the time the fresh new thing to entertain them while they were bored stuck at home. Now both the lockdowns are gone and vtubers aren't fresh and new anymore, so these people have moved on. Arguably, besides making "number go down", this might not even be a bad thing, regarding the quality of the viewerbase?

For Myth specifically, when they came out they were basically the "only game in town" and audiences had no real alternatives. We don't count Niji's embarrassing first attempt at "EN" (India), and twitch indies were still a minor league wild west wasteland. Holomyth came at a perfect lightning in a bottle moment, being the first serious attempt at a proper EN branch and Hololive was already the most popular corpo for westerners at the time due to the run-up of viral JP sub clips etc.

This, coupled with the aforementioned lockdown buff, meant that HoloMyths numbers in the beginning were probably a bit overstated and didn't actually reflect their actual long-term realistic/"stable" popularity/viability. Case in point, Council came next and couldn't repeat the explosive growth, indicating it wasn't (just) about the qualities about the talents but also extraneous factors involved (lockdown buff, novelty hype, first-mover advantage, etc.). And nowadays, if you are a viewer that still likes vtubers (so not just an above lockdown tourist), but are bored or otherwise dissatisfied with HoloEN, you aren't captive anymore and have much more alternatives to watch and may find other vtubers that better suit your actual tastes.

For example, if you actually like male collabs, you can just go watch the original gendermixing company, Niji, where this is much less controversial. Or if you are in it for the coom and want more raunchier stuff and Holo has become too safe and boring for you, you can go watch twitch indies. Or if you liked the original general Hololive feel, but it has gotten too corporate and impersonal for you and you want a smaller more comfier and intimate atmosphere, you can go watch all the smallcorpos that kinda imitate the Hololive model more or less, but where you actually have a more reasonable chance to get your chat read and interact with the streamer.

The only reason to stick with HoloEN and disregard all the alternatives is a) you are happy customer who is actually satisfied with the product, b) you are a bubbled corpo-drone who knows nothing about vtubing beyond the blue dorito, c) you are a tribalfag with a "yeah HoloEN might be shit, but at least it's not as bad as all the other alternatives!" mindset or d) you are sticking around due to stockholm-syndroming yourself into a parasocial relationship with your particular oshi and think giving it up would be "betraying her". If none of those reasons apply to you, and you're open to shopping around for potentially better alternatives, you have probably dropped HoloEN already or at least don't just watch it exclusively anymore.

Also, a big part of the general HoloEN recline (long before males entered the picture already) was that too many talents feel like they have basically given up on any effort and just go through the motions, minmax and coast along on the brand buff. They aren't hungry and motivated anymore (some arguably never were - this is especially noticeable in the second gen who already knew that Hololive would be a golden ticket and you don't need to put in any effort), and it's hard to stay hungry and not become complacent when fans throw money at you no matter how much (or rather how little) you actually do and basically reward you for just existing. Unless you're especially driven, most talents would just succumb to laziness and no delivery. And for the few talents that don't, Covers retarded management buerocracy does the rest of destroying their motivation.

>>38178352
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>38177550
>>38177416
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>38176589
they're already rich. they don't have to stream to survive like nijis and small corpos

>>38177904
Well, ideally, the answer should be:
>Because I like vtubing and the thought of growing complacent from success/being unable to do this full-time because of failure scares me into trying something new.
I know that’s *not* the case with much of HoloEN, I’m just saying this is ideally why only people who actually like vtubing should become vtubers. That’s why I watch small corpos. The people who join those aren’t under any delusion that they’ll get rich quick from this, so they’re more likely to be doing this just because they want to.

>>38186201
You forgot the most important reason:
>the few good songs EN put out, indies have already made covers of, meaning you don’t have to listen to the originals anymore and have HoloEN streams appear on the recommendeds
In all seriousness, a pretty detailed and description similar to what I’ve tried to write in the past, except mine were less eloquent.

brosbros... how can we cope?

ENfags deserve whatever rot or blight that comes to them
Vtubers can finally heal