/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>no one is acting schizo, he says, while making sweeping generalizations about a streaming platform utilized by millions of creators

This thread will be better...right?

>>38077968
What stalking? You mean what she has published on purpose with the intent of being seen?
>>38077976
Being on the internet as a content creator is not the same as being an "influencer"

>>38078151
You need to stop using buzzwords

>>38078151
The content she produces lines up with the worst of that platform.

>>38078175
Apparently not, but I kind of lost hope for that when she decided to make reaper business a weekly thing.

>>38078175
I guess not.

>>38078175
Not if >>38078151keeps carrying over conversations from last thread.

>>38078175
Nope because off topic isn't off topic during these hours apparently.

>>38078104
Previous thread: >>38056917

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>>38077830
"Give every last breath for a taste of death" is one hell of a catchy line, I hope the rest of the lyrics for the song measure up. At least the heavy processing won't be there if she does it live.

>>38078175
apparently not lmao

>>38078217
...An ad break?

>>38078343
You know better than that. Don't defend it. It's okay to say that content is worse than her hololive content.

>>38078183
Holy fuck, you're obsessed. Just because people post in public does not mean you can obsess over their every decision.

>>38078175
Nope

>>38078425
My choice to drop her has nothing to do with a food photo. I said that.

>>38078410
Anon, doing something that literally every content creator does (yes, even hololive) is not "the worst" of anything.
That's where the whole schizo thing comes into play. You sound completely deranged.

>>38078452
Get the fuck out of this thread then since in any other thread every one of your posts would of been deleted.

Not too bad considering half the time I listen to her CDs or on yt instead. Top song for the year was Resting Power as expected.

>>38078481
That is not how every content creator does things and you know it. It's why you and everyone else appreciates Hololive.

>>38078452
No, your choice to "drop" her doesn't exist because there's no relationship. Now get your mask, turn it sideways, and stick it straight up your candy ass.

>>38078246
Even this shouldn’t be a big problem. It’s not like people complain about Noel’s or Matsuri’s alternative streams. No questions them about their love for hololive.

>>38078175
I had some hopes we could continue talking about Sinderella but someone just had to keep the schizo posts going

>>38078543
I don't believe there is a relationship at all. What is this projection?
She's become a stale content creator focused on numbers and money.

I FUCKING LOVE KAWAIIOPE MORIRIN AND I WANT TO MARRY THIS DORK, START A FAMILY WITH THIS DORK, AND RAISE A SON WITH THIS DORK, A SON WHO’LL INHERIT OUR RESPECTIVE BEST TRAITS AND ATTRIBUTES BUT IS ALSO JUST AS MUCH OF A DUMB CHUUNI AS HIS BEAUTIFUL DORK OF A MOTHER

>>38078571
nice buzzword

>>38078601
Only in your head.

>>38078527
For me it was The Mighth Mighty Bosstones

>>38078546
Do they go to cons and shit too?

Like I said, if you used all this energy to actually practice singing, you'd probably be the next big Vsinger.

>>38078610
Nice projection

>>38078619
How is that a response to my post?
She's become a numberfag in my head?
No. She's money focused.

>>38078601
You aren't necessarily wrong in feeling that way, and it's your right to step back if you feel like it's something you can't support or if you can't comprehend any good reasoning behind what she does anymore
Just don't go full ex-bear over it and it's fine, even if people will shit on you and generalize you as an anti or "one guy"
Fans need to be true to themselves as well, remember that

>>38078653
Lol some of the stuff some JP holomems do is much more intimate than cons

>>38078723
If he wanted to be decent about it, he'd just fuck off instead of attention-seeking and starting arguments. Maybe that's just me, though

if I didn't like a streamer I would simply not watch the streamer but I realize I am a renegade who does not play by the rules

>>38078689
you really didn't think this through at all, did you

>>38078799
What?

>>38078761
Sometimes people need to let it all out before they can move on, that's just a basic for therapy

>>38078814
He's been "letting it out" by stalking her personal and posting it here for months.

>>38078571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQLNdnCN56A
I especially try to reserve judgment when going off of short snippets because I really didn't like how Your Mori sounded from just the previews.
That being said, I do like the sound of Lust, Wrath, Sloth, Guilt, and Envy.

>>38078689
Look anon I even agree with you to an extent that she has changed, and not in a particularly favorable way, but if you’re dropping her why are you still here?

>>38078851
No I haven't. Now you're actually paranoid-schizophrenic by assuming I'm someone I'm not. I've never been an anti before. I'd say I'm not an anti now, just angry about a change in character.

>>38078814
This isn't a therapy session if I'm not getting paid exorbitant amounts to listen to him whine. I exercise my freedom to call the retard a retard if he starts acting retarded.

>>38078851
Not everyone is some one guy boogeyman you retard.

>>38078851
If you just generalize anything you don't like as "one-guy" it brings discourse down to a level as low as the 9th circle of hell

MASSIVE MORI MILKERS

>idiot thinks people are stupid
>thinks he can fool people by playing victim
Just take the mask off already.

>>38078854
Wrath has the potential to be her best ever. Sounds like TOC producer layered in some of his vocals for the chorus part but in a really good way (also audibly less autotuned than some of the others)

MASSIVE MORI MILKERS RIGHT IN MY FUCKING FACE

everything will decay and fade away, nothing is ever perfect and it cannot ever be. a tree, a cloud, a rock or an insect does not have to meet any requirements, and neither does a human or anything else. you should embrace this fact about life and try to see the beauty in it. this applies to people and vtubers too. I still love mori though

>>38078907
I'd say to reconsider your judgment because you believe she's doing things for reasons that she's not. But if you don't care and refuse to listen to people trying to tell you otherwise, that's your prerogative. Just get out of here and stop bothering levelheaded people.

>>38079044
Oh please the actual schizo accusing him of being one guy is not levelheaded.

>>38078854
That's basically my takeaway though I'm not that engaged by what we heard from Guilt.
>>38078997
Wrath is shaping up to be great, although the vocals sound a bit clean compared to what I was expecting when Mori said J-Rock

>>38078907
>>38078923
>>38078925
It's actually one guy and his cheerleaders

>>38079044
She's not doing things for money now? How can you actually defend the new trend of rm activity?

>>38079099
It's not you retard.

>>38079105
Because it's not for money. You just came to that conclusion first and retroactively came up with justifications after.

get bent, I will be the last deadbeat

>>38079219
I just don't use Spotify.

remember to love your Mori

>>38079219
I have to beat you next year

>>38079255
Every year around this time I slightly regret not having Spotify because I don't get one of these. But no ads on youtube is a worthwhile tradeoff

>>38079219
I use YT and iTunes, Spotify gets a bit wonky in my car

>>38079167
It’s standard practice to come to conclusions first. That way they can endlessly move the goalpost around.

What's the deal? Mori literally hasn't done anything today?

>>38079019
It's true that everything is imperfect and impermanent, vut it's human nature to desire perfection and permanence
Especially when it comes to people with a dash of the 'tism who require routines, or people who've broken a little bit inside and some cogs have stopped function and who just desire some comfort and a friendly hand to give it
When things change, people get uncomfortable, and if it's something they don't like, whether personal or conditioned, they become upset and lash out wanting to return to status quo or trying to get back to what there was
Part of the problem with this is there's is no, and cannot be, any discourse on the matter with the subject because there's a wall that keeps expanding
There's a feeling of closeness, but it should not be mistaken for mutual parasocialism like some others, and is more akin to simultaneous parasocialism running in parallel but not meeting
She leans on fans, and fans lean on her, but there is no intersection into mutualism in order to create co-dependency and understanding
We all do our own thing in the end, and some people's roads and before others
I probably sound like a babbling weirdo but I woke up still super damn tired

>>38079044
>because you believe she's doing things for reasons that she's not
So in your opinion why is she doing this?

>>38079428
She had sex with Choco. Straightbeats are wilding out

>>38079428
Nothing except... hacking into webcam of viewers of Cover stream watchers!!!!

Ah, how much did Mori get on the ChocoQuiz? Did she score lower than Aqua?

>>38079428
Don't play dumb.

>>38079695
Don't play smart.

Streams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toGkFD-mg7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YogcdxP83e4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH2me4QCoi8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDmiW1myMAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgAn68Uy2jQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMtD_BvD3jU

Did you guys buy anything this steam sale?

>>38079649
She didn't take that quiz. It was more of a personality thing (that I won't pretend to have been able to understand much of with my level of reps)

>>38078854
Gluttony sounds... interesting

>>38079091
I really like the vibe of Guilt, but think that they went a little too hard on the vocal processing just based on that little sample. My main hope is that the autotune doesn't stick around the whole song, or if it does, it at least is better integrated than what we've got to chew on for now.

I really like Envy's preview, someone commented yesterday that it felt too fast for a slow song but to me it sounds like the same tempo melodic rap portions of EoaL but softer. I imagine the verses will be the even slower parts

>>38079951
yeah at first I didnt like anything of it, but after a few listens I do like the track but Mori's voive it toooo processed

>>38079951
That's pretty much where I'm at except with Lust.

She's just going to continue being abrasive and crossing the line for individuals until nobody is left.

Why is UMG like this?

meep-morp-moop

>>38080144
The usual crew won't leave and will continue spending on her, so it really doesn't matter if other deadbeats disappear because they won't have monetary impact and nobody will notice if they're gone
Dust in the wind

>>38080433
By God Mori Oji-san is broken in half!

>>38080042
That was probably me, and yeah I still think it's a bit uptempo for a "slower" song, but that doesn't mean I don't like it. It was actually my favorite snippet after Wrath. Sounds more like the tempo of Resting Power. Guilt actually sounded like the slowest song, but it could have been cut before the drop.

>>38080429
If anything her core audience has grown even if the fringes have shrunk. But that seems to be the case for every EN except Fauna who is a Tako refugee center.

>>38080429
>PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE!

>>38080540
Projection is still projection even if you're trying to defend her. Stop shitposting ironically.

>>38080568
No, it isn't. You sound like you're begging people to unsubscribe.

Also, stop using words that you don't know how to use: Saying "Projection" does not make you a genius.

>>38079578
Depends on what you're referring to.
>Twitch
Twitch is just a platform, and one used by millions. Any generalizations you might hold about it are just that: generalizations. It has several advantages in its infrastructure that make it much more accommodating than YT and its endless bugs and fuckery that's already been talked to death in this thread let alone the entire board for months. Her good friends use Twitch, and I was under the impression that this thread supported her friends, too.
>the subathon
To celebrate her rebrand, ie, the direction of her future creative endeavors, like she said. If she said, "I like pancakes," and you responded with, "so you hate waffles?" then that's your own cognitive issue. She's trying out the big Twitch thing because she's on Twitch now. It's not complicated.
>ads
Something that every creator does, and, once again, she has good friends doing the exact same thing, so I don't see why this is an issue beyond personal, minor annoyance. Furthermore, yes, hololive does this exact same thing. The JP branch has the talents shilling shit endlessly. Don't let the fact that you've become accustomed to EN getting the sidebranch treatment dissuade you from looking at the bigger picture. Why exactly is it an issue if she wants to have an additional source of income on the side anyway while providing more or less identical content, free of red tape which has been a thorn in the side of the EN branch since its inception? That mentality kind of just reeks of glorifying poverty. She puts the most money back into her content by far out of any other EN, and is otherwise saving up for life improvements like owning property. To begrudge her that comes off to me as odd, to the say the least.

Don't get me wrong; I'd love nothing more to get back to regularly scheduled programming like the rest of you (and if you choose to ignore the Choco collab for some reason you're just being a disingenuous fag), but no, this isn't some unmitigated swerve into debauchery. It's just her diversifying, because yes, she has her own personal brand, and that is something that has not changed since the day she debuted. I'm not saying anything more about this, so don't reply.

>>38080521
I'm not sure if the actual core (i.e big spenders and merch collectors) has grown, but that's something that you can't really quantify outside of just looking at engagement unless you have access to other data

>>38080635
That's not my post you fucking deranged goon. Your ironic shitposting is just shitting up this split. Fuck off and stop projecting your samefagging on everyone else.

Got to say that eoal remix is growing on me. It'll be even better if she actually rerecorded vocals for it which I think might be the case. Has almost a city pop vibe.

>>38080691
>defending a terrorist
you're part of the problem.

>>38080764
Oh a new buzzword.

>>38080433
Wtf, couponbeat's choco is actually pretty cute

>>38080783
>literally using the same argument as the schizo.

Want to call her daddy and have her peg me

>>38080692
Things like merch sales/CD sales has been the one thing I haven''t heard Mori worry about once

>>38080764
You fucking paranoid-schizophrenic idiot. How is this reasonable post: >>38080429
A terrorist now?

>>38080833
It's probably the same mentally ill guy who admitting to ban evading to spam anti-Ame stuff.

>>38080832
True, but she was worried about waning interest in streams which, as far as she may be concerned, is the primary form od engaging your audience
Casual listeners or music-only consumers are a lot less personal, especially if you've started to become accustomed to streaming

>>38080833
It's funny how this guy is just going "no u" now. You just act the way you do now because you have protection you would get in no other thread, not even the catalog

>>38080684
It has slowly become something that cuts too much into the content people actually want. If she's the type to throw away a good thing for a quick buck, then she's someone worth dropping. At least to some. Everyone has their line in the sand and more she moves forward with unpopular decisions, more and more people's lines will be crossed.

>>38080989
What protection? What are you talking about? What is this reality you are inventing?

I get why this is her favorite song on the album. For a while she's been saying she wants to try a rock song and this one sound like it fucking slaps.
Internet brain rot sounds very fun too.

>>38080989
That's not an answer to my question. You are paranoid.

>>38081003
Stuff is a bit grating even to me, but my absolute uncrossable line is OnlyFans or true thot shit
That's when I'd drop instantly and not look back

>>38079649
She doesn't do that quiz anymore, sadly

>>38080256
proof that D.C. the Denton was their idea and they want the normie audience

>>38081035
>>38081050
Go try starting a catalog thread about this, you will find lots of friends, but it won't last long.

>>38079428
that's... kind of the problem, yeah
half of the week has passed and the only Mori content has been 1hr collab in Japanese and couple tweets

>>38081167
What do you mean, Mori totally likes his stuff and was ecstatic to be able to work with Turkey the Gravy

>>38081169
Still ignoring the question you were asked. You are a delusional, unreasonable person.

>>38081190
Literally do something else in your life in the meantime, ez. I was watching Ollie while playing Project Zomboid.

What stats do you think Mori's joker will end with?

>>38081207
Because it's fucking off topic you retard, the reason it would be deleted anywhere else.

>>38080521
>If anything her core audience has grown
I don't know about that.

>>38081252
hopefully 2 or 3 maxed out

>>38081256
No it isn't. I asked you how his post was in any way that of a "terrorist"
Now fuck off and get some mental help.

>>38081283
It has absolutely shrunk. The number of paypigs has dropped off.

>>38081296
I'm not that person, I'm talking about the whole god damn reply chain.

>>38081290
yea, but which ones?
the way that Mori has been playing him I feel like guts will definitely be one of them

>>38081256
The topic was started with was "She's abrasive"
That is on topic.

>>38081329
Around the same time when Crypto is crashing and inflation has reached almost all time highs.
All a mere coincidence of course.

>>38081460
I'd say it's more to do with all the physical goods there are to buy nowadays.

>>38081460
You are actually projecting a rrat about one single paypig onto an entire audience.

Mori must kiss Lui and Choco

>>38081535
Did you only read one part of my post there?

>>38081239
I'm at work my man, don't worry about me
I'm just saying that shit is always like this when Mori dips

>>38081535
>There's only one deadbeat that trades
>inflation only effects a limited set of people

>>38081569
It seems to be a common theme woth alot of these guys.

>>38081535
Hey, just like how you guys project your feelings onto all other deadbeats.

>>38081629
english

>>38081670
Sounds like you need to improve your English if you can't read through a single typo.

>>38081638
I have done no such thing. I have said she is abrasive and been met with actual schizophrenia.
She is abrasive. She's now a clout chasing hoe.

>>38081670
Lol you don't get to use that all because of one fatfinger typo

>>38081707
>a single typo
Anon, I don't think you're ESL, but I hate to break it to you...

>>38081713
You are abrasive because I say so. Proof is this thread. Don't be a schizo.

All rappers chase clout, it's part of the game. All vtubers are ecelebs.
Mori is liked because she is herself, someone who is open about the good, and much of the bad. If you think she's changed then move on. Your posts aren't going to dissuade her from following the path she wants.

>>38081252
I wonder how the stats and confidants will end up being like. During my playthrough I got all the 5 social stats maxed out and got rank 10 on all social links except Ann (literally 1 or 2 dates away from getting her too) and getting level 3 baton pass with everyone without really tryharding with guides etc. It's not that hard to do if you know what to do, such as use Chihaya. But it's Mori we're talking about, she barely remembers anything and is a streamer so she will probably to these entertaining in the moment type things quite a bit, such as going fishing or something.
I wonder on which confidants she will focus on though

>>38078854
I cannot fathom the choice of having Greed be the first to be released as if to tease us
Even from just the snippets we got it's probably going to be the worst in the album

>>38081713
And you're just an attention whore. If you dropped her then shut the fuck up and fuck off already

By the way, I took a look at apple music to get the composers of each of the songs.
>Taste of Death - Kira
>Wanted, Wasted - Takuya Yamanaka & Yuki Tsujimura
>Greedy - ineedmorebux & Nvmbrr
>Internet Brain Rot - Nicklas Eklund & Molly Rosenstrom Nasman
>Nezumi Sceme - Fake Type
>soul food - Kenichi Sakamuro & Ida Pihlgren
>Cringecore - Albin Nordqvist & Louise Frick Sveen
>Dance Past Midnight - Nicklas Eklund & Jordyn Kane Shankle
>Death Sentence - umru & DJH
>glass slipper - Pattern
KIRA on lust!!! AND PATTERNS IS FUCKING BACK

>>38081960
oh fuck no wonder Glass Slipper sounds so good

>>38081850
All the hags and Haru at the bare minimum. She's going to choose the irreverent dialogue choices which won't give her many stat or friendship points. Chat will also try to backseat minmaxing to the point where she'll read one suggestion and hyperfocus on that, like spending all her free time on the burger challenge.

I'm Greedy is definitely the song UMG keeps pushing to try to get a wider JP audience. I'm just not a fan, if anything the more I hear it the less charm I find in it.
I don't think Nezumi Scheme blowing past it is purely due to the MV hype either. It's a better song.

>>38081960
There really seems to be something for everyone on the album

>>38081850
Is it easier to get stats and confidant ranks in Royal? I remember my first playthrough of the original I wasn't able to get full stats and only the main party got their final awakening

>>38082141
Morgana won't pester you about going to sleep as much, which gives you some more free time. But even in the vanilla game, Chihaya's fortune telling and Kawakami's massages let you maximize your free time if you knew what you were doing.

>>38082101
It's also weird considering I think the Japanese audience is more excited about THE ORAL CIGARETTES than GC the Dribbly.

>>38082141
There's more opportunity I think, but some of them have a pretty harsh skill demand to start or progress. Haru comes to mind who's second rank requires max proficiency. Chihaya and Kawakami help as well as always having a persona of the matching arcana of course.

>>38081960
That guy who said Envy sounded like EoaL earlier was dead on.

>>38082101
Same, I just don't like it, possibly one of the few of her songs that's like that for me
Also is it really the sort of stuff JP audience would like? Feels more US trap/hip-hop sort of scene

>>38082276
That song really seems like it was bargaining chip to let her do what she wants on the rest of the album.

>>38082333
Maybe that's what they were after, go for what's expected of an American artist in the Japanese market.

why the hell is every single EN member getting blasted all of a sudden are the discord troons raiding or something?

>>38082401
Didn't mori basically say that's what it was supposed to be? Atleast it sounded OK when she did it during the youtube music thing.

When is the choco stream?

>>38082674
about 13 hours ago

>>38082674
13 5 hours ago

>>38082674
Anon..

>>38082101
that's why I think I'm Greedy was a UMG decision and Mori agreed to it. the more I hear about it it just sounds like that was made for the Jp audience and specifically for the normies

>>38082141
I'm this >>38081850 anon and in vanilla I got maybe half of the confidants. But I didn't use Chihaya or Kawakami (they didn't seem interesting enough for me to spend time with them) and as others said you can go out more often and there are generally more situations where you can get points. Though also there are more people and things to max out as well.
Also it just occurred to me I did all the dungeons as fast as possible and I left them only when story forced me to to not waste time. I reaallly doubt Mori will play like that because I don't think it's very interesting from a viewer's perspective.

>>38082674
you missed Choco tits

>>38082731
But it was her Dream Collab

>>38082101
>I'm just not a fan, if anything the more I hear it the less charm I find in it.
I love her so much and I love almost all of her music but I'm greedy is a legitimately terrible song and without question the worst thing she has ever released and it is completely shocking to me that she exists behind it and I am fully convinced she feels the same lol

>>38082771
I mean, thats just the proper way to play tit. Don't want the dungeon crawler part to get in the way of the real game

Greedy was one of Mori's better songs desu

>>38082771
Yeah, I do think to have a decent chance at maxing everyone, you need to beat the palaces in one day. The ones that force you to split them are an exception of course. Also maximize trips to mementos waiting till a bunch of requests pile up.

>>38082501
She said it was supposed to be an American style but I don't think she ever really addressed whether/how it was targeted to the JP market, apart from the comment that it was doing well on Apple Music (which I'm not sure was true, at least right now NS is higher on her "Popular" list there than anything from Shinigami Note besides Capsule, meanwhile IG is hanging out around the Lo-fi album, although it's on there twice for some reason)

>>38082829
The only thing I can see is that she didn't have the ability to scrap it like she does with her own produced stuff. I'm basing this rrat off the fact that she showed it to one of her friends/senpai who said it sounded worse without autotune. She was probably trying to find solutions.

>>38082821
I mean wouldn't doubt it T.E. the Laurence is pretty popular in Japan

>>38082821
Sometimes you say things to make your employer happy so you get more freedom elsewhere.

Do you guys think next year will be better?

>>38082821
Yeah, we all know how much she always talked about Changey the Baby

>>38083109
This year has been pretty good, but I believe it can always get better, so yea

>>38083109
no

>>38083109
Considering how it's going to start? No.

>>38083109
No

>>38083109
This year was great, and Mori keeps getting more amazing every year, so yes.

>>38082829
>>38082975
I also think it's her worst song. There wasn't any salvaging it because she didn't even have lyrical control and it was written by an ESL. Good on those who do enjoy it, but between the writing and the track not even standing out to me, it wasn't going to work.
And she shouldn't feel bad about it. It was an experiment and a chance to work with someone else.

>>38083109
>do you think next year will be better?
Honestly?
I think it depends on what you want out of all of this
Music-wise, yeah I think it might be cool and better
In regards to streams or the constant arguing about side things and whatever direction it is that Mori wants to go in?
I think it's going to get much worse

>>38083109
This year has had some of the best highlights, I just hope Mori does more to avoid the low points in the future

>>38083222
I don't think Mori was very satisfied with her lyrics on it either.

>>38083222
What the fuck am I looking at?

>>38083222
>>38083280
the fact its not in her music playlist on her channel is something I cannot attribute to error at this point, she sees the top of it every time she adds something to it and thats multiple times now

>>38083305
meant for >>38083219

>>38081960
>Kira
>>>Patterns
yis

sorry guys I'm a fake fan I'll do better next year

>>38083305
>>38083451
Me giving birth to my child with Mori.

>>38083109
So long as she gets an actual break between releases and then has a say in how things go, yes.
So long as EN doesn't have a loss and they're allowed to pursue the projects they want, yes. Plus there's possibility of some ENs traveling to Japan and she can host them.
2023 could be a very good year. Mori just needs to find some games to stream once this current round of perms end.

As for anything else, she's for the time being decided how she wants to approach things. Now to see if she can do it or if she has to decide to limit one. I don't let the state of threads here determine my enjoyment.

>>38083451
There is a whole set of them with a few ENs.

I want to treat Mori's butthole like a salt lick, gotta be honest

>>38083497
590 minutes spent with mori? Imagine that... I think I'd run out of stuff to talk to her about

>>38083543
I am dangerously curious now

>>38083109
Nah, I think we passed peak Mori for good, even she resigned herself to sidehustles and 'core viewers'
I really wanted someone admirable like Suisei in EN but she just didn't have it in her

>>38083586
Don't ask me for them, I just remember seeing a tako and sapling one

>>38083406
>Updated today
Yep lol, she took the SUA remix out though. Torture dance rap still in.

>>38082141
If you don't know what to expect, the stat requirements can blindside you and set you back a long time if you were busy pumping the wrong stats (like needing max Proficiency for Haru and max Charm for Makoto)

>>38083661
>SUA remix
there was a remix?

>>38083584
Just give her a platform to tangent off of; she's easily done more zatsu than that in the past year.

>>38083650

>>38083109
With how it starts I doubt it.

>>38083710
Not an official one, but she had this in her playlist the last time I looked at it. It's pretty good.
https://youtu.be/UZ_sISapV7M

>>38083109
Nope

Gott say, after listening to the samples some more I'm not too bothered with the autotune. It still feels excessive and unneeded, but I can see it being used to try and enhance the song rather than correct her
I'm looking forward to the full pieces once they come out, even stuff like TMI and Soul Food are kinda catchy
Still don't like Greed though

>>38083634
I'm going to disagree, but not in the way you'd probably expected
She is, but for the West
This is what the West thinks is admirable and what they want, and going even further is what they expect of her

>>38083801
I'm really looking forward to Death Sentence and Glass Slipper. Seems like a good way to end the album before the bonus track of course

>>38083862
I'm surprised there seems to be a lot of people excited for Death Sentence. The snippet they chose was extremely vocaloid sounding.

>>38083634
I think she's pretty fucking admirable

>>38083801
Eh I've always found trying to judge any of her songs off small samples pretty much impossible. All her songs require multiple listens to to really figure anything out. Even I'm Greedy improved once I figured out the lyrics better.

>>38083109
Honestly no.

>>38083109
this year hasn't been perfect but I wouldn't say it was bad either so for sure it can be next year

>>38083109
I'm hopeful, so yeah.
As long as she's having fun with things, it's all good in my book.

>>38083109
As long there isn't the equivalent of a lean yab, yes.

>>38083634
She still inspires me plenty. Vtubers as a whole have to deal with lack of growth now, the lockdowns are over. Mori has established herself as a streamer and as a musician, that's huge. She built a solid foundation on what could have easily been quicksand.

>>38083109
This year was just the tip of the iceberg, if todays was any indecation prepare for things to get much worse before they get better.

>>38084219
What happened today specifically?

I really hope Sinderella is a step in the right direction I really want it to be good and so far it seems like it

>>38084219
Sweet fuck all happened today what the fuck are you smoking we got a fun jp collab and I moved on with my day.

>>38084133
Pray nothing bad happens next month, then
Otherwise we really are trapped in our cycles of guilt

>>38084219
Oh come on, the new Mario Movie Trailer wasn't THAT bad

>>38084253
My rrat is a food review side project like syd. She's really embracing the influencer lifestyle. Other rrats are less believable in my opinion, but make it look worse.

>>38084335
>we
>our
Ogey

>>38084141
She has a solid foundation that she is repeatedly trying to take a sledgehammer to. Literally all she had to do was keep making music, stream 3-4 times a week, and keep her private life private and most of the problems people have with her would go away. A true example of less being more.

>>38084219
>indecation
every time man. every time

>>38084431
Don't you know there's a whole bunch of golden eggs available right now if you just cut into that goose?

>>38084431
Lol this place would burn if she went to 3 streams a week.

>>38084534
Not really, schizos only start sperging when she disappears for days only to appear on another channel or event.

>>38084335
>we
>our
nah nigga I'm just going to enjoy more Kakkarot

>>38084431
The problems people have with her exist only on 4chan and some small groups of haters on other sites. Anyone mature, who wants only Mori, focuses only on Mori.
And before you start with saying "But then Mori cancels streams", every Holo, every streamer, hits points where they need to reschedule and I would bet not every time is 'necessary'. As long as it doesn't become a habit it is not an issue.

>excessive doomposting and rrat flinging
>all without Mori pics
Name a more iconic duo

>>38084671
>The problems people have with her exist only on 4chan and some small groups of haters on other sites
Not sure about this, I think the "mature" people have just quietly left instead.

>>38084656
I still think we should get her into DB because she would end up fighting Bulma for Vegeta.

>>38084688
schizos are allergic to good posts, it is known.

>>38084779
Which is their right to. If they stopped enjoying Mori or started feeling some kind of stress, taking a break or leaving is fine.

>>38084779
I think that's the thing people don't really grasp
Not everyone who has a problem or gripe makes a stink publicly, usually the ones that do are in deep and have lingering regret
Most normal people if they start disliking something just up and go

>>38084688
I'd post pictures, but my posting abilities have temporarily been hampered.

>>38084877
>implying

One mute cori coming right up!

>>38084877
It's more likely that the "mature" people have lived their lives alongside Mori, rather than force their way into Mori, like little rabid schizos.

Most of them also don't value 4chan's opinion over her and actually discern.

>>38084862
That wasn't my point, my point was that just because there's not massive public backlash doesn't mean there's not an issue.

>>38084903
By Mori's own words she is not as popular as before.

>>38084977
It's an issue when she or Cover believes it is (and Cover has already made their stance clear.) Even if I would disagree with certain choices, unless she gets a wave of people saying such, she's going to do as she sees fit. I still trust her to realize if/when something does become an issue.

>>38084335
>we
I'll reiterate that if you're dissatisfied, and do or say nothing about it, then you're complicit in your own dissatisfaction.

>>38084978
Anyone think this slice of the craziest few hundred vtuber fans represents anything is fucking delusional.

>>38084977
Interest in vtubing as a whole has massively declined. This isn't a Mori-specific "issue" despite what some people here want to paint it as.

>>38084862
>tfw every other time stuff ramps up in at a bad point in life and it just starts adding more stress on top of it
Once or twice is chance, three times is God and fate fucking with me
Every time Mori gets weird and ambiguous with just what it is she wants in life, mine is falling down around me while what is usually my rock is changing

>>38084801
god imagine Vegeta become her favorite short king lol

>>38085097
It was less a post about being dissatisfied as it was about the fear that someone's going to be a containment breaking tard again and we'll have a repeat of the start of this year

>>38085090
She didn't realize the drinking was an issue until her mom approached her about it, and she didn't actively try to stop until the whole lean thing. She still can't say no either despite knowing it's a problem. As far as cover is concerned, it's fairly obvious they've stopped giving a fuck about the EN branch, and they can't stop what she's doing on her own time anyway unless she breaches contract.

>>38085174
Careful you might bring that fauna number schizo back that hangs out in global.

>>38085090
>I still trust her to realize if/when something does become an issue.
lol, she only realize something is a issue when her back is against the wall and there no were to go.

never forget she wore a bunny suit irl

>>38085276
>things that didn't happen

>>38085174
This.
The medium is fading, but in J-Chad's words, "It's only over when no one is watching."
Maybe there can be a resurgence and people can get back into Vtubing in a more lax capacity, but the gold rush is over, while Mori herself seems to be a lot more comfortable doing things these days, so it's not all bad.

>>38083841
what western audiences find admirable is pretty fucking awful desu

>>38085377
>the medium is fading
I disagree, the medium is spreading out but also just not exploding in popularity like it was during the 2nd boom

>>38085174
It doesn't seem to be declining as much in Japan, and Mori used to have a pretty large JP audience. A lot of them seem to place more importance on idol culture though and Mori doesn't cater to that at all.

>>38085219
>Short
>Tryhard
>Cool fighting style
>Gets his comeuppance more than once
>Character arc that turns him from an asshole into a heroic asshole
>Comes to care about his family
>Not afraid to wear pink
Could definitely see her being a fan.

>>38085434
Western audiences want shit like hot tub streams, drunk gambling, TMZ specials, and "yass queen SLAY" shit

>>38085464
In Japan. Your warped worldview does not apply to the rest of the world.

>>38085481
You say "used to" as if you have any sort of data to back what you're saying up.

>>38085481
You dumb? She still has the largest jp audience by a large amount for EN. You see them show up anytime she speaks Japanese.

>>38084671
>As long as it doesn't become a habit it is not an issue
but it is becoming a habit, we have the delay/cancellation timeloop nearly every week now

we need more bunny suit Mori

>>38085464
Interest as a whole is fading across the West, anon. JP are doing pretty well, but between shifting algorithms and budgets tightening up considerably across the world, there aren't many Western Corpos or Indies that are doing too hot right now.

>>38085525
The west is busy exploring western chuuba and streamer options that are more suited to their sensibilities

>>38085434
Wasn't Twitch's biggest streamer getting shit for promoting online gambling to minors?

>>38085276
You can't even speak English

>>38085552
I'm pretty sure that goes to Gura and Ina.

>>38085610
Yep, there's a reason people think Twitch as a platform is toxic

>>38085625
You're a complete retard.

>>38085568
Since the Persona stream, how she reacted to Kasumi makes me thirst for Mori in an outfit like that.

>>38085481
>used to
>doesn't cater to at all
Lmao

>>38085625
Ina, nope. Gura maybe just by sheer numbers, but she has a fuckton of fans who only watch her and no one else.

>>38085374
>the lean arc
I could post a bunch other example but that would earn me a vacation. My point is alot of her problems could have been aviod had she realize there was a issue in the first place.

>>38085174
Mori is the one that's declining the most in view count and CCV, the first one being more significant

>>38085668
god I NEED it

>>38085541
>>38085674
So why don't songs reach a million in a week like they used to then? Suzy's still do. I didn't want to bring numbers into the discussion but they're the proof if you want to look.

>>38085754
>source: dude, trust me
That's not even true out of Myth

https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1597842859629346816
She knows she's pissing people off, but she's doubling down on it.

>>38085844
You don't even fucking know the context of that do you?

>>38085802
>OH no, I can't use Do U now, better move that goalpost!

>>38085911
stop ironic shitposting

Less responding to threadshitter, more lewd Mori.

>>38085826
it is, I posted the graphs a couple times but I don't keep them saved since I'm not that invested into # stuff, I just dislike when people push misinfo both for and against her
it's all public stuff from socialblade and Holo_Data anyway, you can check yourself if you care

>>38085597
its just much harder to have a monopoly the way myth did when there is so much more on offer in every direction so if hololive doesn't have a streamer thats a completely perfect fit for you youdon't have to make do anymore. guaranteed there is some indie out there who will hit your exact tendencies

Mori drools!

>>38085996

>>38086039
If you want

>>38086013
>conviently missing
Just say she's graduating tommorow and sleep.

>>38086071
Finger lickin' good!

>>38086013
It doesn’t matter, thread trend is to bury your head in the sand and pretend there are no problems. Pointing out the reality is threadshitting, and it’s always attributed to just one boogeyman anti.

>>38085508
There you go with sweeping generalizations again

>>38086201
Ironically, that one guy seems to have tricked you into believing he speaks for the thread.

>>38086013
ReclineSchizo. Please find a different hobby, this really isn't healthy and you should probably just go watch Mr. Beast videos if you're so obsessed with numbers

Any Deadbeats watching the Gundam show?

>>38086201
>dipshit thinks it's all one guy
>other dipshit thinks everyone's against him
<< You and I are opposite sides of the same coin. >>

Kiara found the rapping gym leader.

this idiot doesn't know what a real recline is.

If you want to see a real recline, look at the person formerly known as Spoony

>>38085802
>Suzy's still do
But her latest didn't though. Your genuinely pathetic. Vtubing as a whole has been on the decline. Moris is clearly just amplified via other means on top of it. Is that pisses you off leave then nobody is stopping you, why bother crying about if you have 0 power to change it.

>>38086378
Witch from Mercury?

>>38086378
nah don't really keep up with Gundam is it good?

>>38086223
That's what the popular streamers in the west consist of, the actual top percent
Not all of them are like that, of course

>>38086378
Yeah I've been watching. Witch from Mercury is my first if you don't count the less than half of Iron Blooded Orphans I watched.

>>38086386
This twisted game needs to be reset

>>38086420
or Boogie

>>38086291
>>38086386
No, I don’t think everyone has that opinion, but pointing out any sign of declining numbers as proof that people aren’t happy with the direction she’s taking seems to be the equivalent of being an anti now.

Her numbers might be falling but they are still high. I'm not going to read into why every viewer might leave or watch someone else. I still watch and listen to her.
As a fan I want her to be happy and comfortable with where she is. Because that's when the content is good. There's high points where a huge achievement was reached, and I will be there to celebrate if and when there's more.

>>38086378
I've almost finished Zeta. Kind of hesitant to go into ZZ based on some stuff I've heard, so I guess I will just wait until I'm in the mood.

>>38086554
How do you explain the other's declining numbers then?

>>38086545
Remember when he talked about the silver lining of the holocaust?

>>38086612
Is she really happy though? Does she really just want to be a shill for gamer drinks? I don’t know, to me it just seems like a move to prepare for the worst. I’m convinced day one Mori would have gagged at that behavior.

>>38083634
I don't really care if people do sidehustles, but I'd agree it's bad for growth for a number of reasons.

>>38086554
She got 10K for her Persona stream how is that considered declining?

>>38086708
Which ones? The ones that hardly stream? Of course if you don’t stream you’ll lose people.

>>38086724
or when he tweeted at a popular only fans girl to make a porn?

>>38086708
the market is saturated, their so many option now that the fandom as a whole is stretch to various indys or small corpo

>>38086554
It's less about pointing out declining numbers, and more that people seem insistent it's solely a Mori problem, and thinking there's only one answer to solving that issue rather than various layers of fuckery that make up this change in viewership across the EN board.
Ultimately, I agree with >>38086612 and just don't want her getting discouraged from continuing to create and adapt.

>>38086736
There was a time she would have gagged at the idea of Mori entirely. I still see the same woman I came to admire. Her recent streams have her discussing the topic of plateauing.
You're obsessing over one stupid sponsorship that gives her some extra money and I do not understand why. Nor am I looking for some explanation.

>>38086874
You realize she said it’s long term right? Meaning it will be the driving force behind all of her streams going forward. Of course I’m focused on that one.

>>38086791
She was going to get 10k on that first pokemon stream too until region lock fuckery. then she she decided to leave a 0 view stream running for 7 hours which didn't help with the number schizos

>>38086960
To be fair, I did laugh a lot at that stream in particular.

>>38086476
Yep.
>>38086498
I think so, yeah! Fun characters, cool mecha, interesting politics. I'm also not sure where exactly the current arc is gonna go, which is neat.
>>38086519
Nice, it's my first Gundam since watching Wing and Seed over a decade ago.
>>38086672
I'm gonna watch all those older gundam shows once I'm done with Macross.

you have to remember the vast majority of stream viewers are not regulars who watch every stream. people just look at who theyre following thats live or whatever the algo feeds them and if its someone they like, theyll click on it. paying attention to schedules and stuff is something you only do if you're already a major fan.

mori was inconsistent for a long time while she was going hard recording sinderella and a lot of people probably just drifted off since she wasn't at the forefront so much and the only thing she needs to do to get those people back is bring back the consistency, which as best as i can tell from everything she's said over the past couple of months it seems like she really wants to take some time to focus on her channel and streams and not going anywhere near as nuts on music (which is healthy for both the channel, and her music)

>>38087009
I'd say it was the best part, as cute as the game is.

>>38086831
Well that obviously applies to Mori too then

>>38086791
Say that again for stream #67 in May

>>38086848
the thing is, aside from Ame and Gura, who have been supremely inconsistent, there's no real decline for either Kiara or Ina (while she still streamed)
their total viewcounts are also fairly consistent in recent months too
Mori's drops are the most notable if you compare early averages or trends

>>38086791
So you just want to cherry pick streams now? That’s not her usual these days and you know it.

Morbi good?

>>38087086
It depends mostly yes but we have to check which way the wind is blowing

>>38087086
Yeah, of course.

>>38087086
Meh

Go home >>38079768

>>38087063
Ina is the Stable Octopus Destination after all

As with sports, I hate people who masturbate over Stats.

Prime example would be the Lebron Nuthuggers.

>>38087086
Quite.
https://youtu.be/T6nFmhaLr-g?t=1025

Could I maybe please get some Morisaur images?

>>38087021
For the original series I watched the recap movies and then went back and watched the select episodes/plots that were omitted from them. The animation and pacing definitely shows its age.

>>38087072
>wait no that doesn't count!
Her first Pokemon stream was also trending in that direction if not for Nintendo's region lock fuckery

>>38086874
To be fair, she outright said that it's what she's going to be doing for the foreseeable future so it's not like people are operating off of conjecture

>>38087298

>>38086936
Streams which you're not watching because you detest the entire platform? So the effect on you is...nothing. Or should be, unless you're watching just to find stuff to be offended over.

>>38087072
Her numbers are pretty similar to last year when you compare similar types of streams. Go compare her live a live streams to earthbound from last year. Also compare first streams of new games to the persona stream. I'm not going to say her numbers aren't lower, but everyone's are. It's almost always about time slot and what you are playing more than anything unless you are gura.

>>38087298

>>38087063
>3/5 Myth members are inconsistent, aside from an uncontested Kiara slot
>comparing early averages and trends to current releases
Damn, had me going there for a second lmao

>>38087357
It remains to be seen what the effect will be. So far it’s one cancelled stream.

>>38087357
It effects his ability to hatewatch her on YT obviously.

>>38087357
To give an absolutely extreme example, is it okay for someone you love to do meth as long as it's in the other room so you don't see it?

>>38087408
That was over 24 afters after the other one ended. You are retarded if you think it's related.

>>38087464
*over 24 hours

>>38087451
you have my solidarity anon. im also retarded. we have to stick together

>>38087464
Ogey so why else was she so tired coming out of a weekend off?

>>38087451
What a nonsensical comparison

>>38087451
>jump through my hoops and let me misconstrue your answers to fit my own narrative!
Streaming on Twitch will NEVER be equivalent to smoking Meth lmao

>>38087542
parenting our child. she's a real handful

>>38087555
I mean, the comaints was pretty much how he doesn't like the platform and he thinks it changes people for the worse
Like I said, it's extreme but it's still an apt comparison

>>38087579
Said child? Me.

>>38087399
I typo'd yearly, sorry
as I said, it's just public data, you can check them out and draw own conclusions

>>38087345
And realistically all it is is her giving a code and drinking some while playing whatever. I think the entire thing is kind of humorous when she breaks out her saleswoman voice.

>>38087390
What a fearsome creature.

>>38087376
So if she's worried about plateauing why isn't she using schedules to her advantage and putting her streams in dead hours so more people can watch? Instead she's cancelling streams and putting them in massive overlap spots as well as removing a rest day/potential streaming day every week.

>>38087620
Honestly for someone with insomnia and anxiety that's so bad she has to take medicine for it, extreme caffeine pre-workout is not something she should be taking

>>38087542
Something else she did during the over 24 hours? Your type don't seem to like when she shares what she does anyways. She didn't even end the stream late her time. It was like 9 or 10pm

>>38087681
Anon, if streaming in Dead Hours actually worked for EN, why do you think none of them have tried it, or were quick to abandon it after a brief test like Gura?

>>38087681
She only thinks she's plateaued as Mori, there's more avenues available

>>38087681
I've yet to see Mori stream on Twitch

>>38087719
She said she was drinking the caffine free version

Morbi toes

>>38087620
Eh, I prefer the shilling she's done on the Mori side so far, since it's not as repetitive and on the nose.

>>38087748
Honestly I just think they didn't want to put in the effort of waking up early, but I wasn't even talking about that. I was more thinking if you notice a day where fucking no one is streaming for whatever reason, then schedule something.

>Mori don't drink alcohol or talk about it on stream
>Mori don't do that collab
>Mori don't go to that event
>Mori don't have so much caffeine
>Mori don't stick the fork in the outlet
Let the poor girl live her life.

>>38087837
Based non-mombeat.

>>38087719
has she mentioned her anxiety at all recently? i haven't seen her talk about it and a bit and i like to imagine its because shes doing well and its easing but i assume thats blissful ignorance

>>38087867
Well she presumably is still having trouble sleeping and it's affecting her mental because she's needed to be comforted by Kiara

>>38087833
As easy as that sounds, there's a lot of shit behind the scenes each girl seems to do that none of us are aware of, so it's useless to speculate too hard on these kinds of unknowns.
Still, she did a Guerilla for Pokémon recently, so it's not like she's outright opposed to it. Maybe another will come along soon.

>>38087732
Then it loops back to poor time management. She's the one who scheduled it, no one forced her. If something else popped up then she could have at least cancelled it sooner so that people who woke up early to catch the stream could have known.

>>38087833
They aren't concerned about dead hours
It's not their problem if people have nothing to do and want to watch Hololive

>>38087952
We do atleast known they have something against the slot kiara streams in for some reason. Vesper had to fight to be able to do his morning zatsus if I remember right.

>>38087952
Yeah I get that, but right now seems to be a rare time when the album is finished and she doesn't have too many obligations like with family. She should take advantage of that, if plateauing really is something she's concerned about.

Did Mori and Choco ever decide on their collab name?

>>38087987
Or she was just more tired than she thought? Do you want her to just start unscheduled streams with no warning just to 100% make sure she's able to do them if they are at odds hours?

>>38088042
That was because they told all of Tempus to stream at PST prime time only for the first month IIRC, he had to convince them streaming in the morning wouldn't impact night streams

>>38088042
PST Primetime is what they care about, because then Japan and nighttime NA can watch
Kiara has a pass because she lives there and doesn't want to be nocturnal

>>38088098
CalliChope

So, how many threads have you been here now?
Who spends this much time of their day on this?

>>38088114
Yes, unironically I would prefer it only get scheduled if it's 100% going to happen. Fomo doesn't activate and I can always watch a VOD. The only time that would piss me off is in the case of an offcollab or something unarchived, but those are extremely rare anyway.

I'm relieved that the jackass from earlier seems to have left so most of the rest of this thread can have a more sensible conversation about these things, but do you think next time >we can just, you know, not?

>>38088150
really? Sounds meh...would've prefered Moroco

>>38088271
Did you watch the collab? Them trying to figure it out on the fly was very cute.

>>38087904
genuinely worried about her overwork. last year another youtuber I watch got hospitalized because of it and its so fucking easy to see her going down the same path

>>38088217
Well insure as hell would not. I much prefer advance warning even if there is a chance of it being cancled. You know what I did for that cancled stream? I woke up, checked for a frame, saw none, checked twitter and went back to bed. It effected my day as much as getting up at night to take a piss.

>>38088334
Based latenightpisserbeat

>>38088268
You could ask the same of Mori. Every time things settle down she pokes the nest again.

Reminder she had a spa day or something booked and just wasn't using it or considering taking a day for it until she realized it was a reservation and she had to use it or lose it

>>38088268
Rational discussions are fine but everything that can be said has been said, for both sides. So now it's pointless. All anyone can do is see how it plays out. Good Mori things to look forward too though and that should remain the focus.

>>38088318
Haven't had time between work and other shit. Did they come up with any others?

>>38088268
Part of the problem with activity is that it's always something new that leads to the same conversations
It's a True Timeloop

Remember to lewd your Mori

>>38088398
Speaking of trips. Watame mentioned something about a off collab on the third. I hope that's the onsen off collab mori talked about with Watame, IRyS and A-chan

>>38088334
I wish I could fall back asleep so easily, I was fucked once I got up.