/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>353031
after Kiara moves back home, the only one who could travel to their office would be Mori and lmao who would want that?

>>353031
After Corona is over Yagoo is going to buy the girls a flight to Cover HQ and they'll all get their 3D done at the same time and go everywhere together and stay in the same hotel room like the Help era Beatles.

>>353031
hahaha...

One of two things will happen:
1) The OS girls will fly to Japan and stay there for a few weeks or a month and do all their 3d's in that time
2) They'll rent some office space somewhere near to Gura & Amelia (so California somewhere probably) then fly Ina from Canada. Kiara & Mori will do theirs in Japan.

Probably; every single one of them has buttfucked 100k subs and that was the original stipulation for a 3D model. I assume the reason why it hasn't happened yet is because 3D models take awhile to make, are expensive, and there's five girls who would all need to debut their 3D model at the same time. They've only been at it for, what, four months? Slow down.

ID will get 3D before EN.

EN getting 3D is just gonna be a logistical and expensive nightmare, so we'll see how Cover handles it.

>>353386
>100k was the original stipulation for a 3D
what the fuck was yagoo thinking

>>354154
he was thinking it would be a difficult milestone to reach and that one of his talents saying nigga wouldnt be the domino that leads his company to fame

Mori will get it late March or April, the rest will depend on Corona.

>>354189
Gura being denied her 3d model will singlehandedly expedite research to eradicate corona*

>>354154
Just using the same metric as nijisanji.

>>353031
I want to see how they will rig Ina 3D. Those tentacles are thicc.

They can probably outsource this. They don't have to do this in Japan. And btw, Botan's 3d was partially or made by someone contracted by Cover. So they can probably do the same. It's all about priorities here. If they want to boost more tickets for the next holo fes, they have to have their idols be available to perform

Imagine having a sololive of Mori just rapping really hard. Would be funny

for an international venue they could get a sponsor, hell youtube should sponsor it.

>>353343
There's no reason why they can't rent a mocap ready studios in the cities the girls live in. I can't imagine them needing more than a couple of staff on site.

>>356722
Don't underestimate the stubbornness of a Japanese company.

>>354154
At the beginning of 2020, a new Hololive member reaching 100k is already quite a great achievement.

>>353343
Is that what they did for Chowa?

>>353343
>1) The OS girls will fly to Japan and stay there for a few weeks or a month and do all their 3d's in that time
That would have the most amount of hype considering all the off-collabs that would happen

Probably will happen eventually but not before Gen5 gets into a concert.

>>353031
Calli will get one for sure.

>>354154
Even 1 year ago Fubuki was by far the biggest at around 350k, and a good number of them hadn't hit 100k yet. It's easy to forget now, but 100k was a reasonable target for a long time.

>>360572
Yogiri rented a studio with her own money and has her friends as her helpers.
>>353468
Calli will probably get one after Nene as she's in Japan. There's also the Stars but they're probably in the bottom of 3D priority list.

>>353031
Ina should close her legs, fucking slut

>>353031
>You are now envisioning Ame and Gura joining in on 3d off collabs, which are already awkward enough because it's a bunch of grown women in mocap suits acting like teenagers and/or kids, but now with the added awkwardness of not understanding what anyone's saying
I can already smell the cringe

>>353343
I was thinking more like they make 3D models and use them for 3D animations in which the talents only provide their voices.
BUT, fuck if number 1 ever happens it is gonna be amazing to have all 5 of them clowning around in the mocap studio. I bet one Aka Supa Chat Amelia bumbles about oblivious to the others surrounding her and slaps/crashes into one of her genmates

>>378100
>>377981
>Cringekino in realtime.

>>353031
By the time they get 3D, technology will let us transfer 3D touch in realtime.

>>353031
LMAO, imagine gura being the tallest of them all IRL, that's gonna make for some awkward mocap

>>378356
reps

>every full collab is just Kiara goofing around with Calli with Ina and Gura ocasionally making a joke while Ame just smiles awkwardly from a corner
I want it

>>353031

Honestly the hololive 3d models seem worse than the 3d rigs I see on indie vtubers

>>378376
The models themselves are fine, it's just that even their studio 3d mocap is lacking unless they go all out like during the festivals

>>378371
Ina is probably going to Towa herself alone in a corner if we are to be completely honest

>>378426
If we are being actually honest it's just going to be Kiara thirsting over Mori for 1-2 hours while Ame, Ina and Gura become glorified background assets.

>>378371
Ina at least speaks some degree of nihongo, the only barrier would be whether she's as introverted IRL as her character is. Gura seems to actually be trying to learn how to moonrune, and she seems like she's extroverted enough to at least try to participate even if she doesn't know exactly what's going on >implying character personality is the same as IRL personality
But yeah, Ame's fucking boned.
>Doesn't speak the language
>Style of comedy is super-zoomer non sequiturs and is cringeworthy enough even if you DO understand what she says

>>353031
Yes, but it won't be as good as the other girls. They can't meet up it won't be "filmed" by one of their friends. It'll be a home rig like coco and kana have.

>>378419
I guess so. It's just weird seeing silvervare have better fucking mocap

>>353343
>california
>near Gura or Ame
Tard.

>>378538
>she's as introverted IRL as her character is
her collab with Reine, Iofi, and Pochi went along quite well, but I have to admit a bit of that was due to Reine becoming the defacto captain of the team
Anya's collab with Ina was also enjoyable
Ina seems to be introverted not just in character, but she is social enough if she is paired with someone who is not a spastic maniac, like Kiara, or a spaghetti-pockets, like Ame

Maybe there's a chance for the ones actually in Japan to get a chance to do studio content, given that G5 is 3D debuted which erases whatever "wow I can't believe you rushed their production" negative sentiment might be produced.
I can't remember if Kiara and/or Calli posted actual timeline(s) on when they were leaving nipland. It's just Kiara, right? And she's returning to Europe?
What's her roommate's backstory again, she's a transfer student right? Is she leaving at the end of this semester (so summer), or however the fuck the Japanese divide their school periods?

>>378781
Cover is a Japanese company, they might place group equanimity over the pragmatism of having Kiara's and Calli's 3D debut before their genmates
I mean, they MIGHT have their 3D charas made, rigged, and tested right now while they are in Japan, but I don't think they will debut them

>>378585
Is there any real evidence that Coco/Kanata have a home rig? I recall someone mentioning that Coco said the green screen stuff was recorded in the studio around 2nd fes time, but I dunno the story behind the Kanata/Suisei clips.

>>378835
>they might place group equanimity over the pragmatism of having Kiara's and Calli's 3D debut
3D Nenecchi...

>>378893
don't think so, and desu I don't think it is that likely.
They're probably living together so they can comfortably afford to live in a posh place near HQ, meaning they can drop by and do mocap stuff almost whenever they please.

>>378781
Kiara's going back home I think March or April because her visa expired and she doesn't have any valid avenues to use to get a new one. Though even if she did, she wants to go home because she misses her family and cats.

>>378909
what was the story behind that btw? why didn't she get her 3D model? does she live off Japan's main island or something?

>>378944
Total redesign because she was too chink flavored

>>378961
I see. I like the new design, but also the old one. Too bad we won't be seeing that one again. Nene's character is cute and Nene herself is a lovable girl

>>378940
>her visa expired and she doesn't have any valid avenues to use to get a new one.
I know JP is super-strict about immigration and shit, and probably is markedly worse than the states in bullshat reasons to get a visa, but is the fact that she's functionally a full-time actress not good enough? Or is it a case of "chuubas are not a real profession" written into Japanese law that prevents it?

>>378924
>I don't think it is that likely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al5NBxSRKjU
The tech it much too difficult and complicated to move around.

>>378944
3D model is going to be based around the redesign.

>>378996
IIRC the retarded reason is that she needs to leave because her temporary visa expired, and can only apply for the other one out of the country.

>>378996
more like, we don't know what the labor status is for people working for Cover
if she is listed as a freelancer (her "contract" could simply be an agreement detailing how she will use the character rather than slotting her into the payroll with full legal benefits) she might not qualify for Visa renewal
fuck, if you could move to JP as a chuuba probably all of ID 1st Gen would have done so by now

>>378996
If she really wanted one that bad why doesn't she just marry one of her nip managers.

>>378893
People just assume they are doing some sort of test for home 3d because the only people to show up in the shitposts are the 3 living in the holohouse (although I'm pretty sure Rushia moved in too), but there is ni evidence of that

I just thought they were outtakes from the 2nd fes rehearsals

>>378944
The official reason is that she asked for a redesign, but everyone knkws that the china shitshow played at least a part in it

>>378996
She was on some sort of sketchy visa that meant she would have to leave the country to reapply for a new one.

>>378996
i don't think you can convert visa type while you are still in japan

>>379037
Does anyone remember last year when Holohouse was just a rrat? And anyone who suggested it would actually be a thing was shouted down with "hurr stop idealizing them because of your yuri fantasies, they're not really gonna move in together they barely know each other beyond the screen durr"

>>379066
ok

>>379098
>>379083
>>379029
>>379028
>>379024
I'm gonna be super honest, I don't even really understand how visas/green cards/immigration law works even here in the U.S., let alone anywhere else. I know there's like specific categories you get for being a student, or different types of work/profession, but really don't know anything else beyond that general idea.

>>378996
Don't think YouTuber is a valid job to stay in the country, but this is only based on the Trash Taste guys saying they had to be sponsored or whatever by Bookwalker to stay in the country.

>>379149
Aren't they all anime VAs though? I thought that was why they were there in the first place?

>>353343
Or just don't be cheap and get them a home setup, you can get good enough tracking with a vive and 5 sensors. But this is cover we're talking about.

>>379170
>Dub VA's
>Living in Japan
>Where everyone speaks Japanese
>English dub studios are in America, CA and Texas primarily if memory serves
Think about that for two seconds anonchama

>>379179
This is what was always in my mind when all the 3D shit started.
Average joes do it all the time ever since stuff like VRchat, what's the big deal?

>>379179
if they live an hour or less away from Cover's offices, why even bother?
I can understand it for just a half body mocap so they can move their hands during stream, but full body mocap?

>>354154
You realize 100K is roughly 1/1000 of the entire population of Japan and nobody could have possibly conceived that vtubers would take off this hard in the west when they made that stipulation?

>>379218
the average streamer on VRChat has a buggy as fuck rig with joints that break every 20 minutes

>>379179
>There are randos 'playing' VRChat with better 3D mocap rigs they put together with commercial OTS equipment than an entertainment agency that literally has 3D mocap as part of their core 'features'.
kino

>>379246
The average VRC "next level of ERPing" vrfag also has just one additional tracker or something. There are people who go hard who get several extra trackers and rig their whole body. Unironically, it is pretty cool when someone who knows how to dance and has a full rig goes ham.

>>379222
What do you think cover are using? It's literally just vive lighthouses with trackers, I'm not sure how many sensors they're using but you can get full body tracking with just 5. There are VR chat autists who even have full finger tracking.

>>379275
yup, however, those randos are knowledgeable enough to solve all technical difficulties that arise by themselves. Not all of Cover's talents seem that technically minded.
Except Suichan, she beast mode, she can do anything

>>379340
As memory serves, that's actually their old rigs from a couple years ago. They use XSens suits now. I think it's just them being shit at rigging more than anything that leads to the fuck-ups.

>>379222
Speaking of which, Niji's home 3D is able to do arm movements with their app, but holo's home 3D is still pretty poor. Is this just a software issue?

>>379374
Look at her go!

>>353031
>Will they ever get 3D models
they've only been out for 4 months or so, I suspect this is WAY ahead of their most optimistic targets for needing even 1 3D model let alone 5. Furthermore you have Calli and Kierra releasing songs left and right, with Calli at least seeing some significant sales on the itunes store; meaning they'll need to get an actual album together for her; finally you have a budding international superstar in Gura and have done nearly zero to support her insane growth in popularity meaning of course some plans will have to be made to promo gura AND use her more to promo the other girls, AND sell her immense popularity to sponsors.

overall i think this whole thing blew up way faster then they planned or expected, and you know how the Japanese are about following plans, I expect they're trying to figure out how to expand their foreign support for the whole EN staff right now; and wouldn't be surprised if they haven't pitched the idea to move them to japan permanently several times by now just to make the logistics easier.

>>379392
I don't think so, here's a video from one month ago.

https://youtu.be/al5NBxSRKjU

Maybe they use suits for the big performance like holofes.

>>379135
They work differently throughout the world and it even depends on what nationality you have when entering a certain country. But what you should know is that Japan has some of the most insane and strict visa and immigration laws in the world and staying in the country for extended periods of time is very very very hard. Outright immigrating has so many obstacles that are there purely to discourage people from attempting it.

>>378996
She has to go back because that was the terms of the visa she entered the country on, not that she has no valid avenues to get a new one. The one she's on now is a special Youth Working Holiday visa for people aged 18 to 30, and it has a hard limit of 1 year duration (or 6 months and 1 extension depending on the country), and you cannot switch to another visa type from it. Kiara simply has to go back home, there's no way around it, then reapply on the normal working visa, probably on the Entertainer sub-type.
The most important part will be that 1) she has a sponsor company and 2) making ~50k USD (600k yen) per month after Cover, Youtube & Taxman-san take their cuts.

>>379420
Seems like Cover hasn't been paying much attention omto home 3d until recently

Also iirc the arm movements for nijis are just keyed and not actually tracked, which is why theirbarms always snap to position in 2 frames and flip all over the place (hello there Sister Claire)

>>379494
5k USD I mean. But that's more than enough for the Japs considering they let people in on teacher visas who will make

>>379483
>Japan has some of the most insane and strict visa and immigration laws in the world
That much I knew being a mild conservatard but never being comfortable with all the boomers screeching about immigration and shit every five seconds, they fucking idolize Japan's super-strict immigration.
And I do know from experience (well, second-hand) that it's a pretty "nothing in, nothing out" place, was in the Navy and stationed in Japan for a while. 9/10 marriages between locals and sailors failed when they would rotate back stateside because the women have zero interest leaving the country, and I got a GENERAL impression that even the weebiest dudes I worked with who married a waifu and wanted to emigrate were met with a wall of "you have zero purpose to be in this country" bureaucracy.

>>379563
you need to have a job or start a business, either alone or with your partner
both the job and the business must meet strict requirements, just having a spouse is not enuff

>>379563

The obvious implication here is that you weren't one of said would-be white devil husbandos. not attractive enough? Manlet? I thought it was an unironic fact that nipchicks loved white dudes

>>379759
not him, but a lot enjoy having an exotic foreign boy toys but want a man that adheres to Japan's social expectation when they consider marriage. this means they are ok with marrying a foreigner that has successfully immigrated and integrated into the country

>>379759
>I thought it was an unironic fact that nipchicks loved white dudes
Yes and no. From what I gathered, yes, provided you got deep enough into the city (beyond the port districts where every chick who isn't a bar's mama-san is a prostitute and/or chick looking for an "exotic" lay) you could easily reel in some jap girl who wanted a white dude. But, that came at the cost of what I said, they mainly wanted Americans/westerners BECAUSE we were "exotic", and from what I gathered a lot of it was also them expecting to go on a world tour with a well-paid husband, which wasn't really the case for most enlisted dudes and besides which most of us still had at least one more billet on our contract, during which we'd be locked into a base somewhere stateside.
As for my particular case, I was stationed in Sasebo, not Yokosuka, so I was across the fucking island from Tokyo or even Osaka. The women in my immediate area were more homebodies, not really looking for something outside the norm. When I wasn't out to sea 7-8 months out of the year, on and off, we'd have like a week or two at most in port, which also had its effect on any relationship attempt.

>>354426
>Imagine having a sololive of Mori just raping really hard. Would be funny

>>379801
Yes, this plays into what I said. Beyond a one-night-stand "just to try it", Jap women have very specific cultural standards they would expect a husband or even long-term boyfriend to adhere to. Stability is one of said standards. Being gone half the year (when still in the Navy) and/or not having an actual proper job (if you separated and somehow cajoled your way into staying in-country, and which is virtually impossible for a working-class peon to get) would be instant disqualifications.
Of those 1/10 relationships that 'worked', they were officers and/or chiefs who made decent amounts of money, and/or managed to convince their waifu to emigrate with them back to the States. Oh, yeah, and also if you didn't speak conversational Japanese you didn't have a chance at a relationship more than a casual one that lasted a couple months at best.

>>379066
Not too familiar with Gen 5. What does Nene's old design have to do with the chinks?

>>373184
Amazing to think that most of them will have broken 1 mil by the end of 2021.

>>380172
Her first design and her backstory had chinese elements in it.

>>380233
What kind of Chinese elements? You mean like a Yin Yang symbol, or more like iphone sweatshops and re-education camps?

>>380172
>>380317
It was one giant chink reference because her entire gimick used to be based on kagura from gintama. If you ever watch her stream you should know that she's a huge gintama fan.
Kinda like how Coco's character is referencing her husbando.

>>380372
does she do the aru thing too?

Her design is inspired in the stereotypical "china girl", her backstory also was that she came from another world and her real name was "Taoling" and that she loved chinese food, she was also supposed to talk with a stereotypical chinese accent but she was never good at it and stoppedndoing it early on

>>380398
She dropped that like, 5 streams in.

>>380398
She literally did for the first few weeks but obviously didn't have the crippling autism required to keep it up like pekora and luna.

>>353343
Pretty sure Gura is also on the east coast. Not sure of Ame's whereabouts but I don't look that hard, just try to guess based on things they say or do at certain times.

>>380398
She did at the beginning but kept forgetting it, so she stopped doing it altogether

>>353031
I mean if the last half-year hasn't convinced you I don't know what will: I guarantee there's literally at least tens of thousands of people that would pay beyond the stage money just to see the EN girls in 3D; they don't even need to sing well.

Why on earth would cover not invest in what seems to be their newest cash cow?

>>380372
I don't get why they introduced a chinese designed JP holo while they had an entire chinese branch at the time.

>>379246
What >>379327 said
But concerning "buggy", what's any different from the 3D models Holo has already?

>>380458
I explained that in my post. Holos get to influence their designs and Nene decided to base it around kagura from gintama because she likes gintama.

>>354316
They'll just CGI her over dr octopus

>>353468
> ID will get 3D before EN.
I don't know if my body can handle Risu in 3D.

>>380458
Same reason they had their JP talent proxy stream from outsode the great firewall when they had a chinese branch.

At least that one didn't came back to bite them in the ass an nothing ever bad happened

>>380443
Because Japanese managers in any Japanese company are infamous for being retarded and you can never truly predict how they'll outdo their latest blunder.

>>353468
It's not that fucking hard, why is everyone assuming that you need a studio to do it? Sure it would cost a couple of thousand bucks per person but a home 3D tracking setup is very doable.

>>380493
You are now Imagining 3D Risu doing another Nonstop nut November and doing a cum countdown in her Ayunda voice.

>>380443
>Why on earth would cover not invest in what seems to be their newest cash cow?
>Kizuna
>FGO
>Hololive
its a japanese thing really

>>380592
>>380525
I mean clearly the Nips are smart, and seem to be good at building certain things well, that just seems absolutely aggravatingly stupid though. Maybe it's just my American mind, but I can just smell the shekels and have just barely enough brain capacity to observe and invest what seems to work well and what doesn't; you don't even need to be super greedy.

Are they masochists or something? Maybe they live in a different reality?

>>380576
My mind is in the process of melting. Those few braincells I have are getting rekt by Risu.

i just want them to get 3D models for EN hologras desu

>>380657
*avoid what doesn't work well;

>>380551
You can have a 3D tracking system at home, but doing a 3D stream by yourself at home would be difficult. You can't sit at the computer to control the 3D environment projected around you, or the screen transitions or the camera, when you're supposed to be moving around entertaining people.

>>379374
>Not all of Cover's talents seem that technically minded.
There's a question.
Who out of all of the Holo's are borderline technically inept? IE they can use their phone, turn on a game machine but not much beyond that.
Polka somewhat comes to mind, with everyone knowing she's on a "potato PC", but surely there's been more evidence for everyone else?

>>380657
japs always have the spark but cant follow it up
i mean they never really recovered after the Washington Square agreement and Toshiba ban notice how Trump copied this with his Huawei ban, too bad the Chinks knew

>>380685
Shubaru is a literal normie Korone's surprisingly tech inept for someone who's into retro gaming as much as her and her solution for any tech issues seems to be "just buy another mic/n64/fucking high-end gaming pc"

>>380760
>that clip of the dog bragging her RTX
>her minecraft resolution is 480p

>>380685
I mean, I think a better question is are any of them technically minded, at all? I might nut if one of them did an installgentoo stream, or talked about something technical.

Ina might be the closest thing, but I don't understand nihongo, so maybe one of the JPs is a secret autist?

>>380718
Fair enough. It's weird thinking about it, because even from a technical execution and standpoint, there's some clear Jap brilliance just refining stuff: Toyota and Seiko come to mind...my Grand Seiko really shits on Swiss shit an order of magnitude more expensive, they suck ass at marketing it though.

>>380786
She panic bought an even beefier PC because she was having audio issues 2 days befire her first Among Us collab

>>380842
goddamn that's so stupid
cant her manager explain how modular pcs are

>>380811
Botan is extremely tech.
And while this video is a meme, her other gen mates clearly rely on her with such matters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X2b78HRSBY

>>380811
Botan is the only one that has the emotional maturity to read a fucking manual and look things up. (Which is kinda obvious if you did your roommate reps.)
Ina knows a lot about IT but only if it's somehow related to art/productivity software. If it's not related to it she seems to be to lazy to bother looking it up.
The other hololivers who aren't completely technically inept clearly learned things through osmosis and seem to be too impatient to attempt to solve things themselves and just rely on chat.

>>380874
>Doing that nerd shit when you have the financial backing of millions of suicidal neets
Do your roommate reps and go camp out by her dumpster next time she mentions having computer issues

>>380811
>I mean, I think a better question is are any of them technically minded, at all?
Botan, for obvious reasons. She's very clearly PCMR and actually knows computers, though to be fair your question is more software than hardware and I don't know how good she is on that side of things.
I seem to recall Coco being a go-to contact for a lot of troubleshooting for various members of her own gen and even older ones for a while after she debuted.
That's about it. I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that Ame was the most tech-y one of EN, apparently did a lot of the work in helping everyone set up and/or fix issues?

>>380917
Knowing your way around a pc isn't "extremely" tech, come back once we have a holo that writes code.

>>380657
Japan's entire society is build upon hardcore traditionalist values and muh honor to the point of mental illness. If they've been doing something since the 1950s, they have to be done EXACTLY like they did them in the 50s. Anything else would be disrespecting and bringing shame upon your elders. No matter how retarded it is to do it like that in current days.

>>353031
I think a few of them need better computers; I mean isn't gura using an rx580? ina has a real gpu but her cpu sucks, and the chicken has a shitbox. I think watson and calli's rigs should be ok. I don't watch either enough to know what they're sporting but their audio and streams look good. so i suspect they're ok.

>>381027
Ame is hit or miss because she's self instructed and stubborn as fuck. I sometimes have to turn off her stream because of how horribly misinformed she is about some things because she got retarded advice from "forums".

>>381054
Lamy can write code according to nene and polka. It was never stated to what extent though.

>>381054
I can't remember which one of the Gen5 took webdev classes

>>381101
>Learned to do a hello world script and not much else
>"Wow you're so good at computers!!!"
Wouldn't be surprised if this was the case

>>381087
Kiara has a 5800x and a 5700xt. And I get triggered every time her chat say that a 5700xt is bad because getting the new 3000 series nvidia cards in Japan is next to impossible right now so she had to settle with a 5700xt and she doesn't play anything that a 5700xt can't max out at 1080p anyways and she's streaming at 1080p.

>>381027
I guess understanding and being able to build a PC and understand what shit does is cool; when I hear the word hardware, I kind of want to see one of them whip out an oscilloscope and start looking at signals or probing a bus or reverse engineering some shit ass USB device.

Still you're right Botan does give up a slightly more competent vibe. Maybe I don't get from Ame because I perceive her to be a little lazy, but I guess she did assemble her PC on her own; though watching her flail about when her new GPU has getting choked out by Apex and OBS simply because she hasn't read the manual made me kind of question her technical competence.

>>381054
I kind of agree with that, though "writing code" is a low bar, desu, and it's getting lower. Any retard can sling basic javascript, but yeah seeing them do that would be a trip indeed.

I wonder if we're not more likely to see something like that out of the homostars (which would be cool).

>>381078
I guess as an westerner I'm sort of envious because it feels like we have the reverse problem (to some extent). Maybe there's a good balance between the two cultures?

>>381135
>getting the new 3000 series nvidia cards in Japan is next to impossible right now
Try "anywhere in the world".

>>381162
True. Doesn't help availability when the mid-high end card of the generation (3070) outperforms the flagship top-tier card of both previous generations.
>t. 1080 ti owner trying to get a 3070 as an upgrade

>>381130
That's basically anything with computers and normies, especially now in the "it just works" era. Worse now because the over 40 crowd might try to make it work for a while before giving up but the under 25 crowd will just buy a new/phone computer without blinking

>>381162
My local retailer has a couple 3070s and 3090s, but they're hugely inflated. 700 euro bucks for a 3070, fuck that I'll wait.

>>381130
>>381054
>>381117
Ah yeah it was Lamy
https://youtu.be/1VB49Fm2Sew

Also Nene claims to be able to do a basic asset flip shooting game

>>380406
nene kawaii

>>380071
>Of those 1/10 relationships that 'worked', they were officers and/or chiefs who made decent amounts of money, and/or managed to convince their waifu to emigrate with them back to the States.
I don't really have a network of friends/relatives in the armed forces, but the people I know who have successfully emigrated to Japan were:
Artificial Intelligence for Finance guy
A sound technician with a masters degree in some fucking thing having to do with digital audio
All men, all married with a Japanese woman, at least one of them has a kid
Other than that, the dude that runs J-List
An acoustic guitar teacher

>>380443
What makes you so confident, though? Maybe I'm a little disconnected, but somehow the notion of American audiences celebrating idol culture in a live setting seems... surreal to me. Hell, it still seems kind of surreal to watch Japanese audiences do it.

Are you ready to publicly embrace it in the wholehearted, unabashed manner necessary to prevent a complete collapse into autism? Even as an autist myself, I'm not quite sure.

>>380811
Suisei illustrated and rigged her first avatar
this is why I posted Suisei can do anything, she will break any brick walls on her way to stardom even if she has to headbutt them
Botan, as previously mentioned, builds gaming PCs (maybe not for a living, but given how much she knows I would be surprised if she did not at least build her current tower of power)

>>381374
I think there's a false equivalence here, at least in my mind: them getting together and getting 3D models doesn't immediately imply Idolshit. I think you're absolutely right that westerners give exactly zero fucks about Idolshit, and I don't get it either, but I think there's absolutely a market for some sort of live performance that's enabled by them having a 3D presence; shit even them paywalling skits like the normal ones posted to the Hololive channel would probably make it rain monetarily. The novelty alone is frankly huge, but yeah I agree the standard 3D -> Idol Show shit probably won't work and Cover or their talent need to think (just a little bit) out of the box. Maybe this is asking too much?

>>381387
>Botan, as previously mentioned, builds gaming PCs (maybe not for a living
Well, if the roommate stuff is true, she probably did.

>>381452
I am not basing my comment on roommate stuff, she talks about specs a lot on her streams, and the only thing that requires anything special to be installed is the CPU (thermal paste) everything else is plugging stuff correctly according to manuals
I mean, I don't know if she is actually capable of building a PC from parts bought online (or at retail) but I would be very surprised to find out she can't

>>381502
IIRC she's currently using 2 and built both of them

>>381374
I've been an idolfag for the better part of my life, been in multiple idol fandoms both 3D and 2D, and been to several idol concerts that have taken place stateside, and I will say there is definitely a large enough Western audience that will do the idol culture shit.

Hell, I've seen plenty of hololive fans who've never been into idols before buy into the whole idol image of hololive and say they would definitely attend a live concert in person if possible.

The hololive fanbase, as much as they meme about hololive's idol status, act virtually no different than the idol fanbase of any other idol group.

>>378781
Kiara's roommate's deal (Keeki) is that she originally took out a year long, hard termed working visa because she was originally planning to do a bunch of cosplay work at cons and POSSIBLY revive her dead career as an idol. When covid happened that fucked up all of her plans and I guess she got some basic office/working job before she got extremely lucky landing a job with Cover when they opened up the EN branch. Now she's going back to Austria around the beginning of March regardless of her job because that's was the terms of her visa.

She's actually talked about this extensively as Kiara in her superchat streams around mid-November/December time.

>>381730
I don't care about doxposting, but the mods are pretty autistic about it, you can talk about roommates (probably) but I'd avoid name dropping them if you want to avoid a ban.

>>354154
puresu andastand. 100k beri biggu numba.

>>356666
Crunchyroooooll....

>>380209
Many of them (Korone, Marine, Fubuki, Suisei, Kanata) have the potential to reach 2M or even 3M if they bother to learn English properly. I dunno if they think it is worth it, tho. Botan used to be more interested in learning Russian and Chinese, but that was before the death of HoloCN.

>>381832
TAKE ME HOOOOOME

>>381027
Apparently Ina is tech literate to an extant as well as Ina was the one that helped Kiara and Calli for that one Papers Please stream they did last week that got their avatars moving on hotel wifi before the wifi shit the bed the next day.

>>381777
It's so stupid. But whatever. Thanks for the heads up

>>381891
Incredibly stupid, but at least here they have explicit rules about it this time around, back on /jp/ they were literally abusing the global rules to ban people for posting pictures of Japanese women on a board dedicated to Japanese culture. It's kind of retarded how many of the mods were resident lurkers in the general, they were SO clearly unbiased.

>>381730
Enjoy the ban newfag

>>382280
Suck my dick, faggot

>>381832
Crunch is onwed by nofunimation, which is owned by Sony. Nijisanji is owned by Ichikara, which is controlled by Sony.
So, unlikely.

>>381087
Gura ordered a new PC a while back, but it's being delayed because no one has the new cards. Ame was also trying to get a 3090 a bit ago.

>>381845
Not worth it. HoloJP still mogs HoloEN in views which matter a lot more than subs.

>>380685
Rushia considers Ctrl+V to be high level and also didnt know you can loop bgm on obs so just had youtube play it ads included

>>384098
>play it ads included
Fucking what!?
Rushia...

Just assume they won't, then if it happens it'll be more exciting. I don't think it's impossible at least, they just need to rent space to do it.

>>384180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gYR1li49mc
she metions the ads in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9GDx2wWSrg
she doesnt know how to take a screenshot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4DEiiOBHIA
rushia is a low tech individual

>>384278
>all while playing one of the most unoptimized games out there that is ARK
It may sound unrelated, but makes me imagine what possibly was going on pre steams.

>>383936
Live views are just a cope that show how much of a fanbase is so lonely they'll sit and watch someone play a game they could be playing themselves in real time. Most of us catch the good parts in the archives/subbed clips for the JP girls

>>353031
>All the 3Ds are revealed in a big collab
>Mori keeps trying to throw gang signs but either messes up or the finger tracking doesn't capture them right
>Ina constantly short of breath, ends up sitting on the floor panting for 80% of the collab
>Gura just stands awkwardly at the back of the room watching the others while occasionally saying "shaaa"
>Ame tries to do flashy movements in 3D but keeps falling over, fucking up simple things like a cartwheel
>Kiara carries for a few minutes before seriously injuring herself mimicking a dance move she saw on TV once, everybody mistakes her cries of pain for typical Kiara noises

EN3D will be a disaster and I can't wait for it!

>>380987
>stealing computers from a 30+ year old woman's dumpster
I mean she isn't gonna miss 'em cause she's too tech illiterate and too rich to care but damn.

>>353215
haha lmao yeah haha who
ha

>>382815
yet Crunchyroll hire HoloEN for Pricon Collab.

1) They would need to contract some company that would literally sign a suicidal NDA for privacy
2) that stuff takes weeks to prepare, considering how scattered around US/Canada the girls are, it makes it even harder
3) an event like that is not profitable enough to fly them to JP, Polka, who has made a bit less money in SC than Ame and more than Ina, made $10k USD on her 3D
4) they could give them their Home3D but those almost always turn shitty and almost never use them
>Could they do it?
Yeah
>will they do it?
Prob, but not soon, think on summer or even December holidays
>have they outsourced a studio for something like this?
Yes, when the HololiveCN branch ceased to exist, Yogiri had her first and last 3D concert somewhere else

>>387302
>Yogiri had her first and last 3D concert somewhere else
That was a private studio that she rented. There's nothing stopping cover from renting a studio in the US or something for EN, but it will be far more expensive for the En girls to make use of their 3d compared to the JP girls with their own studio.

>>381162
I got one. Just picked the more expensive shop in Australia while all the cheap cunts paid $200 less but got stuck in a queue that won't be clear until next year lmao.

>>379454
This was their setup back in early 2017

>>387369
They obviously can, but seeing how ultra careful ENMA is with privacy stuff, I HIGHLY doubt she would allow a 3rd party to help them
My best guess is that hey are aiming for some sort of tech long-term collab with someone on the US and establishing an office/studio there to take care of everything
Right now all the money is funneled on JP to be administrated there and then sent back to the girls, after taxes and exchange rate bullshit they take a pretty big hit

>>384598
it's always been kind of impressive how insane gura's archive views are

>>384598
Unironically this. Can't stick midroll ads in a livestream, so archive views + superchat are the only metrics that "really' matter.

>>353031
Honest question. What does the cover Corp office have that you can’t just replicate at home??? I have friends who were able to make a whole VR setup in their apartment/home even though they barely had any room for it. I’m sure all you need to do for 3d tracking is just install the software and then have a few sensor setup. It’s not that complex I imagine

>>384598
Only agree on a part of this, if you can hold an event with huge live numbers, you can ask for a shit ton more of money, most of the streamer sponsored deals revolve around that number, they don't care about their VOD views, mostly because the shill links and promotions expire.
TLDR:
>Live Viewers: Boost the company as a whole
>VOD Views: Boost the channel

>>387790
Space, if you did your roommate reps you would know that most JP holos live in tiny Japanese apartments that barely have 20 cm between the desk and the bed.

>>353031
I'm pretty sure the japs didn't expect them to explode in popularity so they have no idea what to do with them yet. Other than start the casting for Gen 2.
Specially with Gura, two million subs in 4 months or some stupid shit like that just fucks up whatever plans you might have.

>>387790
>JP business autism
>muh ultra secret code
>trusted staff
there's literally nothing more, they use the most basic Unity Engine stuff there's, even their assets are from the Unity dollar store

>>387890
I’m aware that that the JP holos have tiny houses, as most japs do. But that shouldn’t be a problem for ENs because we americans love huge houses that we go into 30 years debt to pay for.
I was just saying that the ENs should do a home setup. Most people in this thread hadn’t even considered that option, instead they’re talking about flying them all out to japan or renting a warehouse.

>>388032
To be fair, I'd rather have them fly them to Japan and keep them there for a few months. Kiara wants them to do concerts with the /jp/ branch. And personally I think it would be hilarious if they forced Ame, Ina and Gura through idol training like they did with 4then gen. So Cover being retards is creating the potential for kino.

Home 3D for later streams are okay, but 3D debuts are special occassions. It's not something you can just do by setting up a VIVE at home and call it a day by doing a half-assed zatsudan. They made a skit for Botan's 3D, modeled an entire city, had studio guys (or KanaCoco) play the role of gunmen, most likely had several tech guys to take care of changing the scenery & adding props in the background, not to mention the camera work, adjusting audio, etc.
There's a reason why all this stuff is done in a studio environment, with a team of people.

>>353031
EN girls except maybe Kiara can't dance like idols. There's no idol culture in the West, at least not the type that's popular in Japan.

>>388420
Neither did 4th gen, they forced them through grueling idol training. It worked for everyone but coco and luna. They should fly them over to Japan just for that. It would be hilarious.

wasn't one of the ID girl (was it moona or iofi) mention that their 3d are already complete, but they still need to fly to japan to rig /calibrate it with their body or something like that, but yeah >>388183 sound more plausible

>>353031
dont they only need to have a vive for 3d?

>>388477
What would one even call the idol style dancing anyway?

Seems mostly:
-cute hand gestures and poses
-old cabaret or broadway style dancing with some eastern influences
-occasional energetic hopping

>>388726
It's simple, but considering only Kiara has training in performing a choreography. It would be a complete disaster if they put them onstage with 0 instruction .

>>388766
Oh I wasn't suggesting that at all, it was a genuine question about what constitutes the idol style of dancing.

I actually kind of like it, I'm not a huge fan of most pop music dances since michael jackson, which tends to be more about technical skill and athleticism than aesthetics and conveying feeling.

>>380421
>pekora is putting it on
she always speaks like that peko

>>388897
Hence the autism.

>>353031
>If not, will there ever be
Might be able to get the home 3D some of the JPs use, but honestly I think the logistics of having an office for EN to do 3D shenanigans in is a major hurdle for hololiveEN. They aren't located in a small country with decent public transit either, so its going to be very rare to see them in 3D and will likely be for major events that bring all five of them to Japan to work with the main branch.

>>388477
>>388726
Sorry, but I just can't see Ina, Mori, Gura or Ame dancing like idols up on a stage. That's just not happening. Kiara, maybe.

>>389042
They managed to make Luna dance for a couple of minutes during beyond the stage.
And she literally collapses on the floor and starts dying if she has to walk 100 meters. If they can teach luna to dance they can do anything.
Also if you did your reps you should know that Kiara can dance for sure.

>>389042
Kiara's the only one who's enough of a weeb to turn off her western sensibilities. Everyone else would find it too cringekino, guaranteed.

>>389111
Not him, but it's not a question of physical capability, but rather whether you can convince Americans (+ a Canadian) to do it without dying of embarrassment and self-awareness.

>>389150
Kiara will probably guilt trip them into it. She already managed to do it a little bit with ina and amelia when she talked to them during the bloom watchalongs. And she also managed to talk calli into it a few times.
If you did your reps you should know how much this means to Kiara. Getting on that stage with her genmembers and senpai is literally her reason to exist.

>>380657
>I mean clearly the Nips are smart, and seem to be good at building certain things well, that just seems absolutely aggravatingly stupid though.
Japanese have very weird ideas about work ethics, corporations and customs that build around it.
You're supposed to seem like you're working hard and being dedicated - Everyone works overtime constantly and falling asleep during work is seen as a sign of working hard and dedication. This obviously means that everyone is always tired and not actually working effectively.
Relations between workers and bosses is even more hierarchical than Western ones, this has chilling effect on sharing new and potentially good ideas.
Respect for tradition is taken to overdrive and changes are rare and slow.
The style can result in good quality products but it's also very inefficient.

>>389042
I can see Gura definitely putting in the effort and maybe even Ame if she doesn't cringe herself into a neutron star in the attempt.

>>381135
>And I get triggered every time her chat say that a 5700xt is bad because getting the new 3000 series nvidia cards
To be fair, NVENC is far superior for streaming whereas AMD is hacky dogshit if you manage to find software support for it to begin with. Sure you just CPU stream and allocate cores manually if necessary but that's well beyond her technical skills.

>>389800
They should use software encoding at all times, CPUs have so many cores these days that there's no good reason to use the GPU for encoding unless you're fucking autistic and care about the small increase in visual quality.
In fact Amelia was being retarded and maxing out apex while using Nvenc which was causing her to drop frames.

What's the point of making 3d models for en if cover doesn't even have the tech to do 3D at the streamer's home?

>>389972
Nevermind I'm an idiot. I was thinking of full body tracking and the simpler setups Miko, Sora and roboco use slipped my mind.

>>389195
Yes sure, >muh reps. Sure, no denying Kiara would do it, that's why I said as much. Calli is too much of a wigger/weird underground nip-hop wannabe to be into cutesy idolshit. Pretty sure Ina's a lost cause in terms of embracing something so outside her norm. Between Ame and Gura, I'd actually put Ame ahead as the wildcard to be more likely to get into it, just because her zoomer energy and blissfully naive confidence might help her fight through the cringe.

>>390235
Calli is susceptible to peer pressure and wouldn't want to disappoint her JP senpais and Kiara though.
Also Amelia will probably do it for lulz. Like coco.

I can't imagine any of the EN girls being on board with the typical "hehe camera person don't look up my skirt" thing that usually happens in 3D streams.

>>390557
Not all girls do that during their 3D streams. Only the ones that pander to coomers and who are ok with it.
I can totally see Ame and Kiara doing it if the staff is all female and their senpais ask for it though.

>>389150
they're already streaming as anime girls to huge audiences i don't think dancing on stage is gonna make them any more embarrassed
the choreography for beyond the stage also wasn't particularly intensive either so i don't see why any of the girls wouldn't be able to learn

>>388726
my only exposure to watching idol performances is limited to love live but that basically covers it yeah

>>388864
>what constitutes the idol style of dancing
Nothing unique.
Just like idol singing is nothing unique.
The important part is that you have basic training, so you can do things that can't be done with untrained people.
Because most people are untrained, its impressive.

And unlike with high end art, its impressive because its recognizable as impressive.

>>390557
Gura and Kiara 100% would

how are they all so shit at chess

>>394714
none of them were the nerdy type

>>391747
Pretty much this. I think they're all weeb enough to know what they signed up for when they applied for hololive.

>>378356
Reps anon. She’s not 4,10. C’mon son.

>>353343
>virtual girls
>still limited by physical distance
Science! Engineering! You have work to do!

>>394305
>marine takes the camera during Gura's 3D
Please God almighty.

>>380372
>From Chink shit to German superiority
Sasuga Yagoo

Didn't Huke show partial work on Kiara's 3D model a few hours after her debut since she already had 100k subs?

>>380493
Risu will make sure to make a reference to this post during her debut

>>390557
Have you not seen half of their previous lives? Kiara is not even the most perverted of them all in 3D

>>389972
Holo no Graffiti EN

>>398541
Sure you will, Risu

>>379028
>>378996
they figured it out for Calli and that allowed her to quit her part time job (which at first she had to keep doing to keep her working visa). so they definitely can do it for other girls too now, if Kiara wants to come back later.

>>379246
current holo 3d tracking is fucking shit though

>>398666
>these trips of truth
I swear to god Risu if you're actually here right now I will red supacha you on your 3d stream if you actually reference that post

>>398726
Okay admittedly it's not like you never get red supas so i realize this isn't much of a flex. Still, free money just for saying a single sentence. I'd take it.

>>380679
someone could do that remotely

>>381054
ah yes, you have to do that one useless thing to be into tech
fuck off lmao

holoEN is cringe

>>388150
>And personally I think it would be hilarious if they forced Ame, Ina and Gura through idol training like they did with 4then gen.
Gura would do just fine with it. Calli would be terrified of getting asked to dance.

>>381054
Writing code is not extremely tech in the slightest. Most developers work off a 2015 mac and have 0 (zero) technological knowledge.

>>354186
lmao

>>398853
Ogay

They could see it as being worth it if they can use it for skits and other projects with the girls just doing VA over it while the 3D models are being used at Cover studio by JP staff.