/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>37746542
An ex fandead.
I joined Nene's army and I have never been this happy.
She could have avoided all of this of she could just trust the people around her and her genmates, instead she decided to take them down

>>37746542
Never watched her in Hololive, never watched her as an indie, never watched her in Vshojo, never cared.
But goddamn her model makes my dick so fucking hard it can smash concrete. Easily the only good Vshojo model.

>>37746737
Iron Mouse has a better model

>>37746765
No

>>37746542
Streaming on twitch alone turn me off for ever watching her

>>37746653
>Vshojo fans feel about Nazuna??
Blindchama....

>>37747088
I don't think VShojo fans travel out of their threads much.

most vshojo watchers don't watch jp vtubers. they stick almost exclusively to the english speaking twitch sphere.

Post her model.

>>37746765
I want to take both models into a love hotel and have the filthiest, most depraved threesome imaginable. Unfortunately, I have what /vt/ would consider a pathological inability to objectify women, meaning I have no idea what I would do to the roommates. Probably fuck the ever loving shit out of mikeneko anyway and take ironmouse to a hospital with disinfectant as I call Connor and tell him his girlfriend ended up outside her bubble for some reason.

>>37746542
i used to love her, not she is just shit, those 3 could have made a great team and over time even their own company but menhera pink cat fucked up everything, i already moved to another oshii.

>>37748136
Imagine a filthy dirty smelly cock penetrating mikeneko’s beautiful heavenly clean pure virgin pussy

>>37748136
>He suggests that Connor has a girlfriend
LMAO

>>37746542
Not a fan of the company, I refuse to watch her because she joined vshitshow.

She was fine with her super shrimps as Mikeneko and didn't need the TALENT FREEDOM bullshit.

The only decent thing is she has refused to change her content to go with the usual vshojo style of streaming. But she didn't need this.

I don't have anything against Nazuna, but I feel like she's struggling with it. Probably just because building a strong Japanese audience on Twitch is too much work. I wouldn't be surprised if she either continues to coast as Nazuna while leaning mostly on her other identity or just quits entirely at some point.

>>37748437
>virgin

>>37747390
The catalog is actively hostile to fans of anything that isn't hololive, I don't blame them.

>>37750344
Same here, and I miss Rushia's singing - VShojo is not a Company that enables her to sing a lot I feel

>>37746653
>She could have avoided all of this of she could just trust the people around her
anon she's quite literally schizo wacky wacky crazy gone-too-silly, from how she was acting on her IRL channel hours after being booted out of hololive you can tell she's mentally not sound.
She's a Christmas cakeu girl.

>>37748437
>pure

>>37750658
I also find it hilarious she's bitching about the twitch contract when vshitshow were helping her out by getting partner on day one, more money but no YouTube. But she can still stream as michael cat on there. Shouldn't have signed it if you didn't want that, dumb menhera.

>>37746542
I came into one of her streams on my monthly checkup on Twitch, and she was streaming herself "sleeping" with the mic turned off. Literally what's the point? I could just play a GIF in OBS of a sleeping anime girl, broadcast it to Twitch, and get free money from it. I will never understand how people allow this lazy content to fester. Are they just there for the chat? Why don't they just get Discord or something?

>>37748437
>Pussy

>>37751040
She was playing pokemon for about 3 hours, went to sleep, woke up to play pokemon for another 3 hours. Mic was on btw, just retardedly far and very low so you'd only be able to hear a little bit of the sleep section.

>>37748401
>those 3
Are you counting Delta? If you actually followed her, you'd know she ruled out joining VShojo even before she made that public statement at Mike.
Besides, I think it's kind of dumb to side with the slanderer in this case.

>>37750978
I also find hilarious that vshitshow didn't warn her about this clause who is though well known is very important, show how bad they are at their job. And well it's suposing they did not hide it intentionaly didn't one of their top brass in the CORPO very friendly or ancient of twitch?

>>37746542
I like her but not enough to tune into twitch at 3am.

>>37750530
>>37750758
Shut up, Rushia likes girls now

>>37750978
>>37758496
That Twitch clause doesn't exist, retards. Hasn't for some time now.

Didnt delta start this drama?

>>37761512
>menhera pink cat dropped some bait (real or fake, how knows), triangle asked if that was true, menhera pink cat hid behind her lawyer, thats all pretty much.

>>37762472
From the sounds of it, Mikeneko is 100% convinced that it's true. And from what I have been told, the proof is an actual video of Delta slandering her.
It wouldn't be the first time Delta spread rumours about another vtuber anyways.

>>37762472
Menhera cat didnt drop anything. The drama began with Delta crying about Mike.

>>37762592
not really, and you should be retarded to actually believe any of those 2, they are very well known menheras.

>>37762885
The drama started because of Delta slandering Mikeneko and Delta finding out about this
It's pretty hard to refute that. It went public after Delta made a public Fanbox post and name dropped Mikeneko in it.

>>37762885
Im not talking about who is wrong and who is right, I can totally see that menhera overreacting and doing what she did.
Im talking about who started this drama in other words who made it public. Delta did and she didnt even had any arguments to disprove Mike, she basically just called her a bitch publically while Michael just privatly said to fuck off and talk with a lawyer.

>>37762974
Wasnt it Delta who slandered Miko? I think you are confusing them.

>>37763150
I just phrased it a bit weirdly
Delta slandered Mike. Apparently she didn't realise she had....somehow?
So when she asked Mike if it was true, she was shocked to find out that not only was it true, but that Mike had evidence of it.

>>37763099
Be careful deltafag are coming(figuratively and literally) they gonna cum on you

>>37763150
Yes, but look at the board you're in. Accuracy of statements isn't exactly a prized virtue here.

>>37763298
t.

>>37763298
They might be too busy trying and failing to maintain a regular general on this board to shit up the catalog.

She was always an annoying menhera desperate for obsessive unicorns. This means no matter where she goes retarded drama will follow her. Vshojo made a mistake letting her in. For the most part Vshojo JP might as well not even exist.

>>37763396
No no please don't cum on me, I beg you! I know you jackoff 3 time at day like you oshi but please dont cum on me!

>>37746765
She changes models so much, I don’t even know which one you’re referring to.

>>37763298
Let them cum. I like deluta and i like rushia.

>>37763478
>implying it's her fault most of the time
>implying VShojo girls are any strangers to drama
>implying VShojo would ignore such a lucrative money maker
I do agree with you on that last point, though. Debuting a 2 person branch is retarded, especially when one member of that branch can actually speak English while the other is JOP and as such can barely collab with anyone else in VShojo

>>37763566
It is her fault 100% of the time. This many incidents just don't coincidentally happen to 1 person.
I'm not at all implying Vshojo isn't full of retarded drama. It might as well be their brand.
Doesn't Vshojo pride themselves on how they're different from the other corpos and totally doesn't exploit the talents for money?
This is why Vshojo is unironically the worst company. All of the talents should just go back to being indies

>>37763837
>It is her fault 100% of the time.
How was the Genshin incident her fault?
How was the Pokemon incident her fault?
How was being slandered by another vtuber about shit that she didn't do her fault?

>>37763837
Not really anon, as someone who looked at all the drama she's been in since Feb most of them aren't her fault. The pokemon and Genshin drama was literally just because she played the game and hardcore Pokemon fans and Genshitters didn't like that she did.

>>37763837
Vshojo barely has any drama unlike Holo or Niji.

>>37764101
Why are vcuck like this?

>>37750540
I know for a fact that I’m not pretending to be interested in the Israeli corpo’s EN girls, but other anons know more about my preferences than I do, I guess. Because Israel, or something.

>>37750540
You know you retards always deflect with this shit, but anyone who actually bothers to take a cross section of catalog bait threads the vast and disproportionate majority are Holo bait and drama threads. All of the other fanbases are just weak losers who can't tolerate anyone besmirching their precious corpos. There are days where 70% of the new threads are Hololive bait threads.
>Graph of Gura's streams since debut:
>last stream 46 days ago
>can we all just forget the whole tempus debacle and move on? she pretty much acts the same as she always does so i think its best if we can all just forgive her and forget any of this ever happened
>Why does /vt/ hate Ame now? Is it really just because she doesn't pander to unicorns anymore?
>I miss him sisters...
>wake up lads New yagoo just dropped
>holy shit
>we live in a timeline where the soft-graduated holos (Shion, Aqua and Ayame) are all more active than Gura this month
>queen
>How excited are you for your Sanallite plushie to arrive at your door?
>Why is it always numbers with this rabbit? https://youtu.be/UYpMXaFOm_s
>tell me about the smith why does she stream the hours
>Why so many old hololive streams are set to private? Its easier to find clips about an old collab than finding the original stream.
>She's a psycho...

That is just a current list of catalog Hololive bait threads going on concurrently right now. And there were so many I just gave up making that list. Vshojo fans can't handle this and the other Vshojo bait thread I saw while making that list. And don't even mention this to Nijisanji fans or they'll go into their conspiracy theories about how the janitors are so mean and selective against them.

>>37748136
>inability to objectify women
fairly sure that's a good thing bud

>>37750540
>Microphone to trash can
What is your response to >>37764570?

>>37764570
Nta but I agree. We vshojofags have it good, only 3 bait threads in whole catalog at the worst ( except if some drama ongoiing). Niji friends get slandered by vt the most. Hell, look at Tempus.
I wish more people in my general realise this and would be more thankful.

>>37764570
Is there an actual, justifiable reason why the catalog is essentially just bait thread after bait thread?
This has to be one of the only boards on the entire website where generals are actually better than the catalog because at least people in the generals actually watch streams.

>>37765061
Indonesians, it's really that simple.

>>37746852
Why is she even streaming on Twitch? Did she sign some non-compete with Cover Corp after she got booted that prohibits her from streaming on YouTube? I only watched her debut stream as I was excited to see her stream again but Twitch is such a horrible platform I stopped watching her

>>37765553
I doubt she signed a non-compete considering she streams on YT as Mikeneko, might be some Vshojo thing or her Japanese autism since she debuted on Twitch to keep Nazuna on Twitch?

>>37746542
>Not gonna lie I was always neutral about her despite being a Holo fan until the recent drama with the Triangle
This is a LARP, I forgot to mention.
I haven't seen a single person who was previously neutral to her turn on her over the Delta situation, especially once more information came out that proved how shaky Delta's actions were.
There is no way that incident could have been the final straw. I didn't see our thread lose a single fan over it.
Her joining VShojo or even her just streaming on Twitch unironically lost her more regulars in our thread than the Delta shit. This is a LARP. On top of that, the actually VShojo general here has absolutely no idea about the drama because they barely know who Delta is. They're used to their girls being attacked constantly, so a lot of them actually expressed sympathy for Mikeneko

>>37764570
Especially now that Idol corp is making bait threads about gura and praisin their ghost loli, it unironically makes me hate the ghost loli, I wonder if they realize that it is backfiring poorly

>>37746542
She is very cute. I gave nihongo reps a try. It's not very easy though.

I literally do not care about drama, Nazuna could kill someone and I'll still be her loyal fan because she's cute and sexy.

>>37764570
While the majority of threads in the catalog are hololive-based, the reception of those threads ranges from positivity, to ambivalence, to funposting, to bait. Even among the selection of threads you've picked out, only about ⅔ of them are bait or anti threads. Hololive happens to have the critical mass of attention here so naturally people are going to talk about them, good or bad.

When it comes to basically every other (non-JP) vtuber group, that range of reception is almost non-existent. If you try to make a thread being excited for a new small corpo gen, you get spammed with people calling you a shill. Just look at the posts above complaining about IdolEN, and similar complaints were made towards threads about Kawaii gen 3 and Phase gen 2 recently. If you post a thread about any small corpo at all, you're either in a race down to page 10, or some autist digs up a half-decade's worth of drama and responds to himself for 300 posts.
And god forbid you dare to post a thread about any vshojo or nijien chuuba. That's literally just asking to get hit with doxx or drama spam within 100 posts. It is functionally impossible to have a positive thread in the catalog about any nijien or vshojo unless they're getting directly tied to a HoloEN (e.g. Pomu and Kiara, or Silvervale and Ame).
And you're not going to like this either, but yes, there is bias among the meidos in that they simply do not know what is and isn't doxx for non Holo chuubas as well as they do for the Holos. So there are many, many examples of threads about indies, small corpos, and nijis where doxx either doesn't get deleted until the very end, or it just gets archived with the thread.
Basically, if you want to post about a holo in the catalog, you'll probably be fine and will be able to have a discussion, with maybe some small shitposting if the OP wasn't a bait. But if you want to post about a small corpo, you'll either get bump off or drama dumped. And niji or vshojo threads are just no go. Non Holo posters have no choice but to stick to generals.

>>37765805
>a lot of them actually expressed sympathy for Mikeneko
Really? I never read their thread anymore cause i felt like they'd prefer Mike to be gone

>>37764570
>>37765061
This is exactly why this board is garbage, but the mods aren't going to do shit to fix it. Anyone remember how fast those Nousagi threads were being deleted during the dox drama? Imagine if they just started systematically deleting every low effort bait thread, and enforced a rule that there can't be duplicate threads up at the same time. Those two things would instantly improve this board.

>>37766972
>No you just don't get it. All of the Hololive bait and doxxing and harassment campaigns are a fun silly time we can all have a laugh about at the end of the day.
>Any other bait is a national travesty bordering on a war crime which is entirely unfair no matter if the other corporations have a cash or power imbalance over Hololive in actuality.

>>37767339
I mean, there are obviously spergs who hate Nazuna, but there are spergs in that thread who hate all of their vtubers, so it's nothing special
Basically, I was venting in their thread around the time of the Delta incident because I wanted to keep it out of places that she might possibly see, and I was surprised to see how little they cared about the incident. When I mentioned the fact that Mikeneko's reputation among EOPs and the general vtuber fanbase was bad due to a lot of factors outside of her control, they pretty much understood where I was coming from because a lot of their girls suffer from the same thing, albeit on varying scales
It's not much, but compared to the absolute shithole of the catalog, the cancer of Twitter and the retardation of Reddit, that thread was actually fine during the Delta incident

>>37764570
fair point, I'll shut up

>>37746542
Hope she kills herself

>>37746542
Was membered to her for ages in Hololive, still followed and supported her as Mikeneko too.
But I can't accept vshojo, it's too shit. I just can't. I had to call it quits even if I still wish her well.
Shame it ended up this way, I'll always treasure the good times I had with her but there's a limit.

>>37768261
It's a pretty dumb take when she literally acts the same as Nazuna as she does as Mike, though.
At that point, you're literally just tribalfagging so hard that youre abandoning her over a name.

>>37768385
No, it's everything about it. The whole environment, the collabs, hanging out with fucking kson and the others. Even kson ended up being cancer, she was held back by Holo management. Creative freedom has made her so much worse and I hate that this is who she has to hang out with now.

>>37768462
So you're abandoning over who she might interract with rather than who she is?
And this is despite the fact that she hasn't even collabed with anyone from VShojo in about 6 weeks? I really don't understand this logic.
If you were just avoiding collab streams, you might have a point. But what is it about her solo Nazuna streams that is so irredeemable that you can't watch her anymore?

>>37768385
You say that, but it's very obvious Kson and Mikeneko both alter their behavior in an unnatural forced way. Like yeah they still do a lot of the same stuff, but it's like they feel forced by the new fanbase to make content they don't necessarily like or are under some pressure.
Like people act as though there wasn't an interim period where they were still streaming as indies after their last job and they weren't acting like/doing the stuff they are now.
It's not exactly easy to necessarily put to words, but we've all seen a streamer we like just seemingly go into an uncreative burnout phase or something like that and watching them now feels like that.
Fans don't need to commit to content creators through shift periods where they're no longer fun to watch or making content they want to watch.

>>37768620
I get what you're trying to do but we all have our own limits. And for me this is just it. I think Nazuna is the worst design she's had compared to the others, I absolutely hate the environment she's in, I hate everyone who she could collab with there, I miss her being part of 3D lives, I miss her singing, I miss her ASMRs, I also hate Twitch in general.
I just decided it's not worth it anymore, it'll only sully the good times I had with her and I don't want to watch myself end up harboring negative feelings for her, I'd rather remember the good years

>>37768779
I don't watch Kson, so I'm not commenting on her, but that's not what this guy is saying.
Once he realised that she was joining VShojo, he just dropped her on the spot. That was it.
Nazuna has tried out a few new things since joining VShojo, and she ended up dropping them because she realized that she had no interest in doing them. The content she is putting out is really no different from what she's always done. The only difference is that there's a "VShojo" next to her name

>>37768847
Personally I don't see a life lived in the past as a life worthwhile living, but you do you.
Frankly, keeping flaky people away from her can only be a good thing considering how fragile she still is

>>37768911
>The content she is putting out is really no different from what she's always done
How many ASMRs has she done as Nazuna?

>>37769196
She has addressed constantly that she's still too depressed to do ASMR because she can't bring herself to do "healing" ASMR if her heart isn't in it.
This has nothing to do with VShojo since she wasn't doing ASMR as Mike either.

>>37768911
It's not really the same. Like she's literally the same person, but I think she more than Kson was being carried by collabs and being in an environment where she could riff off the other talents. Vshojo JP is functionally an island of 2, particularly for her due to the language barrier and pandering to unicorns which is the antithesis of the ethos of the Western Vshojo girls (not to mention having burned bridges with many corpo and indie vtubers). Whether you like to recognize and admit it what Kson complained about essentially being blacklisted in the industry is a function of their business and social decisions.
>>37769329
I also feel like this deflection supports my position on them not being entertaining because they're in a bad headspace. Just like it's not fun too hang out with someone who's depressed and negative it's not fun to watch a vtuber who is. And I'm not parasocial with her so have absolutely no skin in the game to stick around through that or cope defend her actions.

>>37769666
You should have just said that you're not a gachikoi and I wouldn't have wasted my time.
>but I think she more than Kson was being carried by collabs and being in an environment where she could riff off the other talents
The majority of her best and most loved content was solo streams, though? That's almost the trademark of being GFE (although there is no E).
Should make sure you preface your opinions by stressing you're not a gachikoi, since most people are going to assume you were since you were a Rushia member. and pretty much all of her committed fans are literally in love with her

>>37769933
You're talking to two different people, that guy isn't me. I was very gachikoi for her all the way. I agree with him saying that it just isn't the same anymore though.

>>37765700
>>37765553
She publicly stated how she's not legally allowed to stream on youtube as Nazuna.
I guess she signed an agreement with Cover that stops her from straming on youtube as part of a competitor company.
Obviously doesn't apply to the Mikeneko character, because Mikeneko is an indie. The Nazuna character, however, is property belonging to Vshojo. As Nazuna is owned by a direct Cover competitor, she can't stream on youtube.

>>37770007
Are you implying that she doesn't love her fans anymore then?

>>37770290
This doesn't really make sense when she was quoted as saying that "if she knew what she knew now, she would have debuted with Nazuna on YouTube".
Frankly no one knows the exact situation

>>37770305
No but a lot of other things about her and her situation changed - and not for the better
Joining this group and going to Twitch was the worst decision she could have made, fuck kson for roping her into it too. And yes I say that despite knowing the state she was in as Mike prior to that move

>>37746653
Something about this feels off. A nekko would know Nene doesn't have an army, she has a collection of husbands.

>>37770290
>>37765700
>>37765553
This is really the stupidest part of their current fanbase with Vshojo. You all love blaming Cover for everything and act like they lived under totalitarian rule.
She can't stream on Youtube because she's a Twitch partner like other Vshojo talents. Part of that contract says that she can't stream off of Twitch and can only re-upload content after a 24 (or 48) hour period. This isn't even deep knowledge, it's basic Twitch knowledge.
This is just starting to turn into another Hololive bait thread if that wasn't the original intention.

>>37770503
They are only not allowed to stream on both simultaneously

>>37770503
I'm this guy here
>>37770350
This theory is also retarded for two reasons.
One: Twitch removed their exclusivity a while back
Two: The other VShojo girls can stream on YouTube. Look at Kson.

>>37770503
twitch partners can stream on youtube
kson is partnered
mouse streams on youtube sometimes

>>37770382
I'll be frank then. Your love must have been extremely fucking shallow that you ended up dropping her after she puts so much effort into proving to her fans how precious we are.
You're a scumbag only in love with yourself, and it's best that you stop acting like you're being reasonable.

>>37770583
Regardless, if this was a Cover contract issue. Why have both of them (Kson/Mikeneko) streamed on Youtube prior to joining Vshojo. This wasn't a trend until Vshojo took them in which also weirdly coincidentally consolidates their viewership on Twitch. But no, Cover is just a bunch of meanie poos, no other reasonable explanation here.

>>37770690
Eh, I already expected you to go "you never loved her / you don't love her enough like I do" so I can't say I'm surprised. Not going to change your mind with anything I say anyway, but I was very serious about it and I had an amazing time with her for years.
If you had asked me back then I wouldn't have deemed it possible that I would be dropping her, but it turns out that where she ended up now and how things have changed - it really ended up being so bad that I didn't have it in me to watch her hit rock bottom, I hate just about every aspect of her new place and environment too much. Trust me, I had many sleepless nights over this (and before then too, like when things looked very dire after the GTA event), it was not a choice that came to me easy.

>>37750678
If she wasn't a cake she would be a terrible mother, the joan crawford kind. They' make music about her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARzj2AblBWQ

>>37770863
She isn't going to hit "rock bottom" though. That's the part that's retarded. Will I tell you clearly what "rock bottom" is? The moment she stops loving her fans.
Nothing else logically, or reasonably, can qualify as rock bottom because none of them are the absolute worst case scenario.
Personally, and this is being honest, I prefer the dumb but earnest cunts in that VShojo thread who actually give her a chance and can appreciate her as opposed to bitter former fans who think they know everything. I'm sure you'll be happy flirting with different girls while feeling sorry for yourself
Serious question: if I were to suggest that Fish are our friends, would that be a familiar sentiment to you?

>>37770740
why are melody, kson, nyanners and ironmouse allowed to stream on non-twitch sites despite all being twitch partners?

>>37771106
That's fine. Why is Kson able to stream on Youtube if Holo is blocking the platform for their ex talents?

>>37771143
could be a timed thing, 1 year exclusivity of not vtubing for another group or something
the real answer is nobody knows except the people involved, but vshojo really have nothing to gain from keeping nazuna off youtube

The only logical explanation is that it's Vshojo management who really wanted her on Twitch only as some sort of big "gotcha" to Cover/YT

>>37771277
Weird how someone who sounds really familiar streamed under their old account a few weeks ago on Youtube. I guess we'll find out in a few months if this rrat has any merit but for the time being it only exists as schizo bait.

>>37770740
>Why have both of them (Kson/Mikeneko) streamed on Youtube prior to joining Vshojo.
because they were indies during this time.
Kson can still stream on youtube because she owns the Kson personality/character. She has merely lisenced it out to Vshojo as part of her contract with the company. Her RM can decide to leave Vshojo upon contract expiry and she keeps the Kson intellectual property.
Nazuna is not owned by her RM. she only owns the Mikeneko character. Nazuna is fully owned by Vshojo and usage of the Nazuna character is merely lisenced to her for use. If her RM leaves Vshojo, she can no longer use the Nazuna intellectual property.
She almost certainly signed an agreement with Cover stating the she cannot join a competitor company and use their property to stream on youtube. What she should have done was join Vshojo and lisence her Nazuna character to them, rather than join Vshojo and have a character lisenced to her. That way, she could stream on youtube no problem jusf like Kson can.
I think she did it this way because she wanted full control of her Mikeneko character and didn't want to lisence it to Vshojo. She opted to have Vshojo just create a model and character for her.

>>37771437
>Nazuna is fully owned by Vshojo and usage of the Nazuna character is merely lisenced to her for use.
There is no way that this is true. As much of a fucking meme it is, if you look up their website, they confirm that each girl owns the IPs to their model. There is no way that VShojo own Nazuna

>>37771349
not familiar with who that was unless you mean mikeneko, who is in fact not in vshojo or any other vtubing group/company
>>37771437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeFrKsbWzdo (subs in CC)
no fucking way vshojo owns the nazuna IP, kson would never allow it

>>37771469
Vshojo created her model and owns it. Her RM is simply renting it from them.
also wanted to fix a typo I made earlier
>What she should have done was join Vshojo and lisence her Nazuna character to them
that should say Mikeneko. Not Nazuna

>>37771550
Eh?

>>37771437
>Explains how Vshojo has a weird contract with her over a divide between two characters she can "license" to Vshojo.
>The reason why Nazuna only streams on Twitch is definitely not because she has a weird contract with her current company where she's actively competing with them on Youtube (an account that doesn't stream on Twitch) with a more successful account she won't revshare with them on.
>This is 100% Cover's fault/issue
Anon....
>>37771712
>keywords "their IP"

>>37771739
If she quit VShojo today, she'd retain Nazuna. If she didn't, they'd just be blatantly lying.
You've essentially invented this theory out of thin air. The reason she keeps two identities is to partially escape from the stigma of the name "Mikeneko" that has hung over her since her termination

>>37771808
Is the character actually her IP though? People in this thread are saying it's both not her IP and her IP.
In contracts this kind of specificity entirely determines the scope of what can be done.

>>37771886
If it wasn't, it'd be some bizarre exception to everything we understand.
I also think Kson may have confirmed that Mike owns Nazuna, but you'd have to ask the Kson fans about that

>>37771978
check the video i linked in >>37771544

>>37772021
Too bad Kson isn't a manager or even a founding member of Vshojo...

>>37772101
why does that matter lol
no way she would drag one of her best friends into the exact sort of situation she wants to get rid of

>>37771712
>>37771808
>keep their IP
Yes, exactly. Nyanners' RM owns the Nyanners character and personality, Kson's RM owns the Kson character and personality, Melody's RM owns the Melody character and personality, et cetera. This is because they joined the company with their existing property and are licensing it to Vshojo, so that the Vshojo company can use the girl's characters for branding, advertising, et cetera.
Nazuna's RM does NOT own the Nazuna character/personality and never has. The Vshojo company owns the rights to the Nazuna character. In essence, this is the opposite of the situation the other girls are in. Whereas the other characters are licensed by the girls' RMs to Vshojo, Nazuna is licensed to her RM by Vshojo. Get it?
Now Nazuna's RM may be able to purchase the Nazuna character and personality from Vshojo, but she may not want to do that because it would be too expensive.
tl;dr >>37771277 is almost certainly correct. Nazuna is owned by Vshojo, and her RM can't stream with that character on youtube because it would breach her contract with Cover.

>>37772202
you still got absolutely 0 proof for this by the way

>>37772202
>This is because they joined the company with their existing property
Explain Froot then

>>37772367
It's common sense. Companies don't give you shit for free. The Vshojo company paid thousands to create the character+model Nazuna. They're not just going to sign away all rights to her RM. Vshojo isn't a charity.

>>37772400
explain what exactly?

>>37772152
>why does that matter lol
Because that means her personal wishes are just wishes. Plenty of talents in corpos including Vshojo disagree with management. Plenty of indie vtubers don't join Vshojo entirely because of conflicts of interest and seemingly Nazuna didn't feel comfortable bringing her existing account there despite whatever excuse you want to give that she wanted to memory hole it (despite being active still).
Vshojo fans are 100% the worst fanbase here in terms of fetishizing the corporation over the talents because they hired a PR firm to brand them as champions in the industry with very little actual evidence to back it up except for their PR stunts.

>>37772538
so how do you know they paid for it and not her? have you seen the invoices?
>>37772552
watch the video retard

>>37772538
You are aware that Froot didn't join as a vtuber. She debuted with VShojo as a vtuber.
>The Vshojo company paid thousands to create the character+model Nazuna
Do you have an actual source for this? There's literally no reason to assume Mike didn't bankroll it herself.

You know all of this could have been avoided if you just didn't seethe at a pink triangle, instead of worshipping a blue triangle.

>>37746765
No she does not, faggot

>>37772670
>watch the video retard
Did you watch the video retard? This is Kson talking about herself and doesn't address anything in this thread other than her retaining her character.
Not to mention everyone in this thread is overlooking that Kson has actually explained why Nazuna doesn't stream on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvQ1_3q_d4Q
Which is also what I said here.
>>37770503
You retards are really desperate to blame Hololive for this despite Kson also mentioning in the video which you keep shilling that
>Japanese companies treat their talents really well

>>37772880
>Kson has actually explained why Nazuna doesn't stream on Youtube.
Firstly, Nazuna wasn't even a partner when Kson said this.
Secondly, Twitch removed the restriction on partners streaming on YouTube months ago
I'm not even the anon blaming Cover for this, but your arguments are beyond retared because you're assuming that
>Mike doesn't own Nazuna
>Mike didn't fund Nazuna
when there is zero evidence to back up these claims. Furthermore, Kagura Nana confirmed that Mike was giving input on the Nazuna design, which would be extremely odd if she was getting it for free

>>37772880
watch further into the video, she says this line of thinking is exactly why she joined vshojo
also your video was recorded before the changes to the partner contract that lets them stream on other sites, like i said before even kson is a twitch partner
you really have no legs to stand on here

>>37772973
>>37773051
>Let's just ignore the confirmed narrative of Vshojo talents/representation that we know to forward a rrat even if Nazuna is directly referred to there as Vshojo's Twitch Partner
If anyone wants to provide actual evidence beyond this of someone in Vshojo contradicting this, that's great. Otherwise you're just bait drama faggots.

>>37773152
they're all twitch partners you fucking moron
INCLUDING KSON
and ofc you have nijiCN images

>>37772973
>Mike doesn't own Nazuna
>>Mike didn't fund Nazuna
>when there is zero evidence to back up these claims.
The evidence is that Nazuna cannot stream on youtube. She stated publicly on stream that she wishes that she could stream on youtube AND she said that she can't for legal reasons.
Its obvious that she can't stream on youtube because of an agreement with Cover which prohibits her from using a competitor's character on YT for streaming.

>>37773247
Alright, then why did Nazuna say
>if I knew what I knew now, I would have debuted on Twitch
In regards to her character

>>37773328
Obviously I meant debut on YouTube

>>37772679
>You are aware that Froot didn't join as a vtuber. She debuted with VShojo as a vtuber.
Yes. and how does that contradict my statements?
Froot never had a contract with Cover.

>>37773152
>confirmed narrative
Anon, she joined as an Affiliate to Twitch. Not a partner.
You could have checked her profile at any point to confirm this before she became a partner. One requirement was 12 streams, so she didn't get it straight away. This was discussed on multiple occasions in her thread.

>>37773328
I explained that earlier. Her other option was to license the Mikeneko character to Vshojo. That way, she would still ultimately own Mikeneko, but Vshojo would have rights to use Mikeneko for branding, advertising, and et cetera.
I think she didn't do this because she wanted to held absolute control of the Mikeneko character without another party. Now she regrets this decision.

>>37773496
>I think she didn't do this
Basically more speculation. Look anon, you've crafted a fine narrative. But since you have no sources to actually back up your claims, it remains a narrative.
You're also ignoring something again. Nazuna does not acknowledge Mike. She treats them completely separately. You'd know this if you followed her.

>>37773609
Because they ARE seperate entities. Mikeneko is owned by her RM and Nazuna is owned by Vshojo.
Everything I've stated makes perfect sense and lines up perfectly with the current situation. I will concede that it's speculation, but everything I've said holds up as the most likely turn of events

>>37773750
>Nazuna is owned by Vshojo.
This is still absolutely false, though. Associated with VShojo? Sure. Not owned, though.
Unless VShojo makes a statement to confirm that Nazuna doesn't own her own IP, there is literally no reason to assume this.
Your issue is that you're starting from your answer and working backwards. Any parts that don't fit into your logic are just being discarded. That's retarded. There's really no point in continuing this because you won't acknowledge anything that goes against your rrat

>>37773750
it makes perfect sense that she's treated completely polar-opposite differently from the rest of the group, in conflict with the person who got her into the group's ideals and the foundational ideals of the group itself for no real benefit to either party?
thats a big ogey

>>37770639
After all, Mouse, apart from special streams, doesn't stream on Youtube.

>>37773836
You're the one who's making an assumption that Vshojo gave all rights to Nazuna free of charge out of the goodness of their hearts. No company does this, and that is a ridiculous assumption.
>>37773950
>conflict with the person who got her into the group's ideals and the foundational ideals of the group itself
Oh come on, quit being intellectually dishonest and deliberately misrepresenting my entire argument

>>37766015
Have you considered that it might not (just) be them? Rando catalog funposters have an insane amount of incentive to join in on it now.
>>37766972
>>37767836
So do the meidos just actually like bait, or is it just a question of the lack of wages?
>>37767850
Anon, your reading comprehension reps. Either that or your meds. Possibly both.

>>37746765
ironmouse has no brand recognition and has a different model every month, that's a meaningless statement

>>37747390
They venture out waaaaay too often. In fact they should just gtfo of this site.

>>37764206
Pure copium because they know the highest they can ever go is 3rd place and even that is not secure.

>>37765061
Cuckbeats, SEA, twitterfaggots, Redditors and Discord trannys. All of them coming here to shit in the water. If we had jannies that weren't some or all of the above we'd have a much better board.

>>37774921
>>37776435
Meidos as a whole are incredibly biased. Call Mori a trash rapper in /morig/ and you get instantly banned. Meanwhile you can post doxx in any small corpo thread or /nijien/ and it will probably stay up till archive.

>>37750540
/jp/ was hostile towards anything hololive turnabout seems to be fairplay to me, reap what you sow etc.

>>37776731
Yes, there is a jannie who literally is a Cuckbeat. there was a thread a while back where someone posted literal CP of a 10 year old sucking dick and someone posted Mori's RM name. Guess which got deleted.

>>37766149
>「あ」 means you say "ah"
repeat for 1-3 years