/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

They won't

>>37535952
>Japan reopens
>Risu and others get in
>Still no official EN 3D

>>37535952
Change the management and recruitment

>>37535952
Anyone hoping for EN3 is a pussy-whipped beta cuck.

>>37535952
Simple. Fire entire HoloEN management and replace them with people that have this mythical thing call brain.

>>37535952
>still BTFOs everything else in CCV
>still by-far the face of vtubing and talked about more than anything else here or anywhere for vtubers
you forgot that part OP. they don't necessarily need to improve because inertia of being the king. Comparatively Nijisanji competes closely with Holo in JP, but this is not really true in the West at all where a lot of NijiENs are literal 3views these days and even the mighty Luxiems are often sub-Council numbers (and even then supported by people who aren't even westerners, they literally just leaned on the existing fanbase that had developed for the JP males).

All that being said yeah EN is seemingly not managed well and they really don't seem to have someone to motivate them all to stick together and shine, but in terms of actually expanding, tons of girls would join it instantly if offered, that isn't the issue there.

Jewbas are the future

>>37536086
Gura is literally going to Japan for business though?

>>37535952
Honestly they should just keep hololive a japanese only talent thing the chinese branch and current english branch and Indonesian branch were torpedo's to the side of the ship and now its starting to sink hololive only has the infrastructure and enough proper oversite to support the JP branch.

>everyone goes crazy for EN3
>a month later they’re averaging 3K with one hitting 7K carried by their design
>most of you go back to the superior Fauna, Mumei, IRyS, Gura and Kiara once EN3’s sparkle dies out

What’s the point, seriously? They’ll have to be open to male collabs, too. Just give up on EN3, stick with your current EN oshi or do some basic reps and find a JP oshi.

>>37536173
they did.

>>37536086
ID1 went before Japan's borders opening, mind you. They had very strict rules to follow and limited movement in the country.

>>37536826
And Risu still got to hold hands and go on a date with her oshi

>>37536418
yeah no shit tons of girls would join. but do you really want to gamble the future of your branch on people who join for the guaranteed CCV?

>>37537110
I mean literally anyone joins it thinking it's a free lottery ticket win, the issue is finding girls who are motivated to want to do it even after the money starts flowing.

I think looking at Council with Fauna/Bae/Mumei vs Kronii/Sana that it's key to find girls who actually legitimately like Hololive and followed it on their own volition - they know what it's supposed to be and what it isn't and try not to rock the boat (although you still get shameless homo shills like Bae, she handled the situation a lot fucking better than the likes of Mori/Kronii who both objectively knew nothing about Holo before joining).

You'd ideally want girls who had been into HoloJP well before EN was a thing. Post-EN fans are gonna be contaminated with a bunch of wannabe vshojo twitch thots more than harmless weeb girls like Ina/Kiara etc.

>>37535952
Just hire more Guras.

increasingly nervous man says that HoloEN is dead for the 1955th time this year, for the 3rd year in a row

>>37536418
In the EN scene, the competition is Vshojo and large Twitch indies. And they're getting destroyed by them. Worse models, more drama and permissions fucking everything up. Vshojo managed to snag 2 popular ex holos but no large indie would work for hololive.

Just hire good indies.

>>37538064
they dont do the suisei thing anymore so some actually do not want to

>>37536534
Proof next thread?

>>37537855
>more drama
Other than mister off-stream menhera HoloEN in no way has more drama than the indie scene and you're fucking blind if you think otherwise. The permissions shit, while unavoidable due to Hololive being under Japanese jurisdiction and, is only a problem because of the EN management being fucking retarded while dealing with this, and I'll give you the models since that's just Cover asking for the bare minimum from people who are known to work on much better projects elsewhere.

>>37538147
They should do the Kuzuha/Suisei thing then. It hasn’t failed yet.

>>37538064
I want Suisei to punch me!

>>37538064
Do you think Cover would be better off absorbing an indies channel and keeping their current fanbase, rather than making them start over with a new name and model?

>>37535952
>how are they even supposed to get good EN3s
They can't. The EN branch keeps getting less appealing and their talent scouting keeps getting worse. I predict EN3 will be an absolute shitshow.

>>37537855
Does this fucktard even know that Rushia got hospitalized the past month for attempted suicide?
>join vshojo
>kill yourself
LOL

>>37536534
She's been doing that since July. Two more weeks?

>>37538303
Maybe, sort of like the Phase Connect "invaders" thing where they just absorbed Lumi/Yuri and that seems to have worked well i.e not damaged those girls' numbers/perceptions.

However doing so might open up the door for indies to treat Hololive like vshojo where they all expect to bring over exactly what they had for model, fanbase, chat mods, everything and not change anything and just want a free clout ride. In which case forcing them to start over might be the only way to get them to focus on the fact that Holo is not a solo debut gig whatsoever (unless you're Irys lol).

>>37538303
Legally, starting fresh is always preferred.

But imagine the story-win if good guy Cover came down and said that some indie was already good enough to become a full-fledge holo?! It would send shockwaves across the EN sphere, which the definitely need to do.

It’s over. The next generation of girls are all going to collab with Tempiss. Every new EN gen now will just push Hololive further into Nijisanjification. Cover please end the EN experiment. Return the nukes.

>>37537855
>Holo EN
>getting destroyed by Vshojo
lmao. Holo EN is in the worst shape its ever been in and its future looks dire. Even then it's still kicking the utter shit out of Vshojo both in terms of content and in terms of numbers.

>>37538303
Even in Suisei's case she had to fight tooth and nail to get hired and back then Hololive was nowhere close to size it is nowadays, so if it was already hard to convince the old farts in charge to give this way of hiring a chance back then it'll be a miracle if it happens again with the current situation.

>>37537855
>And they're getting destroyed by them
Whorejo shills are losing to literal whoring vtubing companies
They're scared

>>37538572
>Twitch streamers vs YouTube streamers
>Competing?

Yeah every single chuuba company is in an All Out War kek.

>>37538363
here's how to save EN
>EN3 debuts and 4/5 talent are fucking hype and comitted as can be
>also we've opened an American office
>also here's the first live mini ENfes with EN3 and what's left of 1 and 2
but for that they need hype talent for which they need to be appealing as an employer for which they need...

>>37535952
They’re gonna hire the trash taste boys and use cutting edge voice changing tech so you’ll never know

>>37538746
>>also we've opened an American office
I lost count of the amount of times when a Japanese company opened an American office (read Californian) and went downhill because of it.

I won’t even click on any new HoloEN gens that would come out until it’s confirmed they’re not going to become whore accessories for the Homorapist branch. I understand that this could take months to verify, but it would be no different to how things already are now.

>>37536534
Man I love this
>honorary JP
cope
Meanwhile even Ame and Kronii have been doing their reps

>>37538463
>>37539293
Watch streams, I'm not even fucking with you here this isn't even news

>>37539501
Trust the plan.

>>37535952
still better than literally every vtuber group, cope

>>37536534
she even refused to go to japs for her 3d debut and used her 3d debut fund to hire cheap studio to make it for her, why would she even go to japs this time

>>37535952
>how are they even supposed to get good EN3s
Not with their current set of management and recruitment

>>37535952
EN was a mistake.

>>37538255
>all of two companies
>each with a sample size of 1
You're being very optimistic.

That said I do think there is an advantage in grabbing indie vtubers in that you can see how their body of work -as a vtuber- looks like. NijiEN is a good example of this in that the best livers had year-long careers as vtubing indies while the groomers/trainwrecks (talking about personality, not ccv) were usually non-vtuber youtube channels or randoms. There's also something to be said for demanding that people 'put in the work', so to speak, before you consider them.

>>37538833
Yeah. The JP staff managing things remotely are just out of touch. The kind of ''''people''''' you could hire in California would be actively, deliberately malicious towards any Japanese vtubing project, nevermind Hololive. Not to mention they'd be way more expensive since you'd have to pay local salaries.

>>37540502
That's like every Holo EN save for Mori who actually lives/lived in Japan. Of course you also have Ame that spent what, 100k according to her for a mo cap setup that she never uses anymore.

>>37535952
Bro, outside of Gura everyone else in En gets btfo by Shitshojo whores now. Cover did damage to the HoloEn brand from which it will never recover. Then there's Tempiss' sexual harassment too. Those fuckers were a mistake. If only they would have launched En3 instead of motherfucking Tempiss we'd all be in a much better place right now but they fucked up. Bigly. Not even En3 will save them. It's too late for that shit now.

>>37548341
Isn't moral posturing by taking pics with blacks kinda ironic?

>>37537855
>Vshojo dug through hololive's garbage and took a few pieces for themselves
That's "winning?"

>>37548341
>everyone else in En gets btfo by Shitshojo whores now.
Go to bed, Nyanners.

>>37548341
I remember playing Azur Lane and the hololive collab was going on, I never really had an interest in it. I think I made an astronomically Huge blunder not getting into hololive sooner (came during the intitial clip popularity boom so I'm at least not a post EN newfag)

>>37535952
hopefully they don't

EN should have never been part of hololive to begin with. Having western vtubers trying to be idols was never going to work. They should have came up with a different name for the branch, have them focus on just being variety streamers like they originally planned, and stream on twitch.

>>37535952
>EN gets worse side branch treatment
>Gura solo concert with lot of JP guest
>Moona can't even got pekora in her debut

>>37549963
>Council got new year outfits
>HoloX got new year outfits, summer outfits, 3D default outfits, 3D yukata outfits, and 3D idol outfits.
>HoloX was released 3 months after Council

>>37551566
I'm pretty sure Council's 3D models are already done, so if you're fine with Cover just giving them access and the members only using them with the home 3D setup maybe you should message them, tho I guarantee none of the girls wants the "debut" of their models to be that anti-climatic.

>>37537110
if ID can get good picks, EN should be able to

>>37535952
They don't.
People now rather audition for small corpos even though ti guarantee them to be 2-3 views if lucky

>>37552841
ID is an emerging market with people who are willing to do a solid job to not be poor. the relative luxury of the west has led to a decline in work ethic.
therefore i think recruiting established western streamers is bullshit. cover should scoop up random girls from the streets, show them what vtubers are and ask them if they want to give it a try.

jp branch
>all relatively close to each other
>sauna days and food days
>bday parties
>some members known each other for years before hololive

eng branch
>watson misses twitch
>gura's ego is the size of atlantis
>calli wishes she was billie ellish
>Kiara attempted to rape calli which made things super awkward
>Ina has more diseases than the WHO

council
>Mumei is the only one trying
>Kroni rather be selling bathwater

>the boys
>hindered by unicorns
>vesper tried to joke with the cash cow and got metooed

>>37539909
No. The "plan" has never worked.

>>37553516
I forgot to put the /s at the end. My bad.

>take twenty years for every gen
>all the good talents get scooped by smaller corpos
Kawaii and idol show Hololive's snail pace is a detriment to their EN branch and brand.

>>37535952
hire me

>>37554084
Phase and unironically NijiEN too. So many girls that love Hololive and could have thrived in EN3 are now either languishing in small corpos or being forced to act as cocksleeves for males.

I lost hope after tempus. Best they could come up with when they had probably thousands of male applicants was male Mori, some sociopath permanent-ASMR voiced fag, some ESL aussie and a guy that talks a lot. None of which knew anything about holostars to begin with nor did they bother with doing anything with their characters and instead they just spam collabs with twitch people and now nijis.

I wanted holostarsJP but in EN and got a bunch of twitch guys instead doing nothing new or cool, same fucking shit as everyone else. Their scouts fucking suck.

>>37554084
>>37554225
The problem is that ACCELERATE would be a detriment at the end of the day. Just look at how Illuna is doing worse than Tempus most of the time. But the fact that there's a good chance that EN3 will take as long to debut as it took for StarsJP to get a new gen is extremely concerning.

>>37554517
Don't worry, anon. Things can only go down from here.

Honestly I think an American office wouldn't be a bad idea.
But it doesn't need to be an actual office space either. It could just be like a studio space where EN talent can come together for big events or individual/collaborative streams and have a place they can do stuff that JP talent can do.

Honestly the issue with HoloEN is how widespread everybody is across the world. Compare this to Japan, where two talents on opposite ends of the country could take a train or a plane to Hololive's corporate office in a few hours.

>>37554789\
>that ACCELERATE would be a detriment at the end of the day
Nijisanji has the opposite problem of saturating too many talents at the same time, only picking big streamers and then limiting their creativity. Having mixed gens is also bad, since it loses focus on what the gens are about. The girls in Iluna are indistinguishable from Ethyria, for example, since unless you were there at debut, it's hard to tell which girl is from which gen.

Honestly, at this point, even if EN3 does well debut wise, a lot of the Hololive faithful have moved on to these smaller corpos (or rather, Cover's lethargy in the EN market has basically wasted that energy) and that means less overall views for all the Holo streamers. There will probably not be a better (number wise) gen than Myth close to debut and that should be really concerning for corporate. Hololive's monopoly is waning in the EN scene, and the only thing that can save it is a mix of innovation and marketing, which Hololive has already shown to be slow to adapt to.

At the end of the day, competition is good. But it's not good for Hololive.

>>37551566
We're talking about sidebranch here,cover will always prioritize JP

>>37535952
Tempus is EN3

EN3 or EN8 I don't care.
But I only watch Gura.

>>37538064
>good indies
none exist

>>37556612
Yes, we know. Which is why HoloEN is going to die. Gura’s basically an inert substance. She does nothing for the company except serve as an excuse for EN management to not lose their jobs because they can use her to convince everyone that EN is still relevant.
I kind of want her to graduate so that you’ll all fuck off and spam the general with notGura and see how little people will pay attention once she’s an indie again. I mean, I don’t watch anyone in HoloEN, so no skin off my ass if the branch dissolves afterwards.

>>37536616
The JP branch is doing insanely well more than ever at this point. The sidebranches can be more accurately described as rocket boosters to the main JP payload. EN, ID and even CN brought a lot of spotlight to Hololive as a whole and their initial popularity also helped skyrocket JP’s popularity, and without those sidebranches HoloJP would still be barely competing with Nijisanji.

From 4views back in 2019 with a lucky shot at 10k on special events, you now have the JP girls regularly achieving high-end 5views or even 6views on special events like concerts. The heavy hitters, such as Pekora and Miko, are entering 6view territory on even normal gameplay streams.

Like all rocket boosters do, however, the sidebranches are already running out of fuel and must be cast out eventually to avoid dragging JP down. CN with its traitors has already been rid of, ID is full of male/eceleb-collabing whores, and EN is part whores, part lazies, and part lazy whores.

>>37557166
the only branch that even did the carrying was EN
ID, CN and homostars were more like deadweight that should never have been made in the first place

>>37557166
ID is doing way better than EN for its intended purpose. There just aren’t enough ID content creators of any kind to be as picky, which is one reason Indos don’t care about that shit (or at least, the ones who do have done their reps and just watch JP).
Given how small the market for Indonesian-speaking streamers of any kind is, HoloID is fine. Its main purpose is to establish the brand early. ID is full of weebs who just get ignored because they’re poor, and they’re becoming less poor.
EN is a complete failure in that regard because the expectation here is “Don’t go on a slow, steady decline” and “Don’t let small corpos and indies eat your lunch.” And yet, here we are.

>>37535952
I've given this a lot of thought, and I've come to realise that the problem lies with the talent viewing Hololive as a side-gig to help elevate their current career. The only solution seems to be a Holohouse type-deal with at least a good chunk of EN's living in close enough proximity for Hololive to be their no 1 concern (like the JP branch)

Ina and Mori need to realise that whatever is outside Hololive should be their side activity and reel it in and maybe pack it up.

This arrangement would be good for Kiara too who will never be a JP member and yet has always felt distant from other EN's.

>>37536086
What does it have to do with japan opening back up? They moving their streamers there now?

>>37554517
debut Tempus: "We are so proud to be HoloStars and want to stand on our own!"
actual Tempus: leeching off of Hololive and twitch streamers - what are StarsJP?

>>37554789
Assuming the best and that Tempus is not actually EN3 (despite everything pointing towards that being the case) and they actually did scout some girls behind the scenes instead of wasting all their efforts on Tempus it is more than likely that several of them ghosted them and jumped the ship after Tempus was announced. The HololiveEN people applied for months ago and the HoloProEN they would be part of now are two very different things.

>>37557355
All of EN wanted to do actual good 3D stuff since their debuts. For years Cover could pretend they can't give it to them because of the coof. That excuse has now stopped working and all ENs could see that Cover simply doesn't care.
They are spending billions of yen on some shitty game no one cares about instead of increasing their 3D capabilities which are already too limited for just the JPs not to mention the IDs and ENs as well.
Of course everyone is completely demotivated.

>>37535952
They can't
/thread

>>37536086
Whores don't deserve 3D and should be denied entry at the border. Mori should be deported.

>>37556861
Gura is what made HoloEN popular. Without them riding on her back, they would be at Niji levels. But some got big heads and think they could do it alone. The last few months proved otherwise, destroying EN. Look what Gura's collab with Kaela did for her. Gura was prevalent before she joined Hololive, and will still be after Hololive. Only Gura can save the rest of Holomyth.

Here's how the EN branch can have a good public image again. In the next 6 months:
>IRyS new design is great, beloved by all, 3D announcement
>New costumes for Council
>Gura and Ame make up, return of Takamori. More unity in general
>Cover flies over EN to Japan for a month of shows and JP interactions.
>Ina returns and streams again.
>Vesper comes back, it was actually a nothingburger. Male collabs slow down/stop regardless, just due to the girls deciding to not stir the pot
>EN3 launches and they're great, high stream output.
That's how you fix EN.

>>37555790
>The girls in Iluna are indistinguishable from Ethyria
I feel like you just helped me solve one half of the equation in my head about why I don't like Iluna's girls. Aia and Scarle are like if you split Nina into two separate personalities.

>>37538417
Yes, that's definitely because she joined Vshojo and not because of her personal issues.

>>37557458
I seriously hope Cover doesn't have a whole gen on the bench waiting for their time to debut. The best time was between mid-October to now and it's pretty much over since we're reaching Holox anniversaries, and there's no way they'll do a December debut so it's January at it's earliest and god knows if it'll actually happen then.

>>37557630
>Gura and Ame make up, return of Takamori. More unity in general
Nah, fuck off with forced unity. Takamori was always a trash duo and Watson did her hardest to move away from Gura. Let them make up their own cliques since it's a much more organic way of creating units than forcing this gen unity that never existed in the first place.

>>37557599
Baffling post, what even is there to like about Gura? fucking normies

>>37557859
>fucking normies
Said it yourself, she also attracts normies to the vtuber community. The only one in Myth that respects the Hololive idol culture. Knew the outcome when going against it. Doesn't look down on her fans and tell them to improve themselves. She actually seems like she enjoys the company of her fans, even the degenerates, since she's a gremlin herself. "Without you, there would be no me." - Gura

>>37558297
She attracts them but she doesn't really give a shit to cater to them either, she takes herself as a character seriously and is basically the only HoloEN who actually "gets it" like most of the JPs do. Granted some HoloJPs are or were extremely ethot-like (coco) who openly wanted it to be like "it's just me behind an anime mask lol" and others like Luna for example take it seriously to be in-character, to be something as that character that is truly its own entity. If Luna decided to just drop all the mystique from her kayfabe, then the Luna -we- know, dies. I think Gura gets that too and doesn't want that little last bit of magic left in HoloEN to die. She is autistic enough about cartoons to be sensitive to the fact that, in a way, Gura the little silly shark -is- real - as long as she wills it to be.

>>37558471
You just described perfectly what made me drop Mori (it was pretty early on, so whatever). After she got her first new outfit and started dropping the reaper persona, that was when I started getting filtered. The idea that she likes the rapper part more than the reaper part? The very thought made me cringe. Well it’s obvious now in retrospect that her first several months after debut were fake as hell, but that was the first sign to me and I dipped pretty quickly after. And this was well before I started loathing her for the stupid shit she does.

No matter how bad the corp side is, it's not the issue. ALL Anglosphere girls are a bad fit for this. Not one of them gets to 20 without dick mileage higher than a vintage car, never mind having a sincere interest in any nerd shit. You want some veneer of purity and actual interests, with some actual talent as an entertainer on top? You think you'll get that from any American bitch in her 20s?

>>37558801
Mori always had a mix of a strong will to try to just go "this is the real me and what I wanna do" from the onset with wanting real real hard to try to get a moistman collab, she had no qualms involving shit that Mori the grim reaper should never have known or cared about.

However early-Mori was really more like, we saw her while she was still humble and poor, and that was a million times more sympathetic than what we have now where she's stuck-up, condescending and values deadbeats as much as a hundred dollar bill stuck to a dogshit on the bottom of her shoe - she'll gladly peel off that c-note but dispose of the rest of it. That's how it feels like she's generally been.

>>37558471
Agreed. Though she does convert those normies, bringing in new blood consistently.

Belle Delphine is an example of what happens when breaking character.

>>37558471
I think you nailed it, the whole "act" or "kayfabe" or whatever you want to call it actually gives individuality to each person and makes them memorable. If that act goes away they are no different than a dime a dozen camgirl with an anime avatar.

>>37558907
Mori was never sympathetic. She undercut her friend/room mate and applied to Hololive, and was accepted thereafter and cheating her friend out of a spot. The narcissism was always there.

>>37559069
That's what made Salome so absurdly popular early on. She acted on an anime trope that was barely used by vtubers outside of specific circumstances. In a way streaming will always need a little bit of acting, either for self-preservation or to make yourself look more interesting since just playing a game with minimal commentary won't help anyone grow their brand, and vtubing takes this to another level because it has all the pros of a facecam stream without needing to show your actual face. The fact that so few people in the west use this opportunity to bring out their internal theater kid and the majority would rather be literally themselves but with an anime avatar will always be extremely weird to me.

>>37559508
If jreg could shit on both people who take politics way too seriously and ironypilled zoomers who don’t give a shit about politics at all by making his entire online career a piece of post-ironic performance art, then vtubers can certainly create a ridiculous persona that actually reflects who they really are irl without straight-up just “being themselves”.
Art (yes, streaming is a performance art) is about expressing things you can’t fully get across with words. Everyone, even Mori, has a personality that can be interesting if expressed correctly. Except if you only express those parts that only come across to you in your own internal monologue from your conscious brain, then you’ll come across as boring and uninteresting. And if you think that only that’s your “real” personality, then you’ll eventually BECOME as boring and one-dimensional as you think you are.

>>37559508
I got into vtubers in early 2018 and I wholly stand by this. I don't doubt that there's some western personalities out there who can commit to the kayfabe, but it's disappointing how Hololive EN specifically fall short of that. Playing the character is a huge part of the appeal. When they start to act more and more like regular streamers, they lose their appeal for me. Like c'mon, we need more creativity in that department. You get to play an anime girl for a living and the best you can do with that is emulate every other streamer on Twitch?

>>37559069
This seems like the basics of VTubing, yet there are certain groups that loudly oppose the kayfabe. I even read arguments that avatars are only a mask that allows shy people to let their "true personality" shine. Some of these people are dead serious about it. It's a popular opinion on r*ddit.

>>37558471
It's not Holo, but there is this new company that was heavily shilled here and they have one dog girl that seems to truly commit to her role. She uses dog references in her speech and even acts a bit like a dog. It's really refreshing seeing someone like that. I wonder if she will keep it up in the long term.

>>37560251
That means nothing. Pretty much every chuuba is committed to her role in debut month. Most end up dropping it after a while.

>>37557630
Nah you fix EN by firing Mori, Kronii, Ame, Ina, Bae and Tempiss. And actively going out of your way and spending money to blacklist Mori from the Japanese vtubing and music industry.

>>37560142
If someone like Luna graduated, Luknights would experience a real sense of loss because the character that they supported would cease to exist. Meanwhile, if Mori graduated, doxxbeats would be happy to move over to her roommate account without feeling like they've lost her (sure, they might miss the avatar, but it's completely different from losing her personality entirely). For EN3, it'd be easy for any girl with a handful of talents to get in, stream for a year or two, and secure her own loyal fanbase without kayfabe. And on top of that, she'd be guaranteed to achieve success under the Hololive brand and move some of it over to her roommate in case she ever gets tired of her job, since she acts like herself in both accounts anyways. With so many lonely viewers who are content to listen to a girl's voice, it's not hard to wonder why so little of them bother with it.

>>37536086
ID girls dragged their managers through mud and dirt as I like to call Indonesian roads to get their 3D debuts. EN girls simply don't care as much, aside from Kiara.
Gura doesn't give a shit about 3d.
Ina doesn't even care about streaming anymore.
Mori focuses on her RM career more than hololive.
Ame has a 3d setup but she doesn't really care about 3d streams either.
The only one who wants to have 3d concerts is Kiara and she lives in EU, which excludes her from any mocap studios Cover can work with. IMO she should contact Techland or CDPR, because they have professional mocap studios and CDPR was having a charity auction last year and a mocap session for that charity was sold for $3500. If she arranged it well, she could probably rent their studio for a few days. It's not like they're doing Mocap all day erryday.

>>37560142
That's peculiar that someone would be anti-kayfabe but I mean if it goes with the overall slant of the EN fandom of "literally destroy everything that makes Hololive distinguishable from Western streaming" then it makes sense. The sad thing is I don't think they even realize that is literally what their stance is and think themselves self-righteous.

In other words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sRS1dwCotw

She could have been HER 3.0 but NO, we got tempiss instead and now the jews took her away, I'm fucking seething hard rn, I fucking lost interest in EN3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJT7J-ilMgI

>>37561260
oy vey

>>37560501
>You fix EN by firing over half the talents, the ones who made the branch stand out

>>37557300
>that the problem lies with the talent viewing Hololive as a side-gig
Like 90% of EN's problem is just this. They peaked with 11 members and now they have 10, less than half of which actually stream regularly.

>>37535952
did not fucking read but I will answer the title question with this: By Hiring Me Motherfucker

>>37558810
>sincere interest in any nerd shit.
It's really not that hard to find vtubers with high power levels if you look at indie 2-3 views.

>>37560501
Ame, Bae and Ina are still some of the best Holos, if all you give a shit about is talking to males then seether, some of the best JP holos have done it to. Time to fire Fubuki :P

>>37538363
>The EN branch keeps getting less appealing
For as long as it prints money this won't be true. No matter how you look at it this is what pays your bills.

>>37563245
Why do you think I wouldn't want them to fire that whore fubuki too?

>>37558471
you don't know anything about coco
as expected of a cumshart

EN 3 will fix everything

>>37563295
Everyone on EN with the exception of Gura and possibly Kiara prints as much money as a tardigrade on a typewriter.

>>37563351
>To fix this house, first we remove the foundation

>>37561260
Wait would make you gain interest again?

>>37566075
nta but no more game permissions and actually hiring talents that are into video games. It's absurd that the EN branch has to follow the JP permission autism, just make a separate company in the US.

>>37566075
Uh... not sure, she was the only one I was looking for to get in this gen, the list of graduated chubas was very meh buy she stood out for me, I mean, just watch that video and look deep into my eyes (at least pretend to do it) and tell me she doesn't fit the HER archetype.
So now that she's out of the equation... dunno man, she was the only one from that list that I was rooting for, the rest... not saying they're bad but she stood up the most for me, and I'm not sure if they can find anyone of the same rank or above in the non chuba pool, so basically my lack of interest is because I don't think they can find someone better, not saying she's top tier S rank (she's probably below Mumei) but haven't seen someone else available that can fit the role.
Captcha seems to agree

>>37566575
I fucked up

>>37561260
Guess you'll just have to watch the jews then.

>>37538303
yes

>>37560699
That sounds pretty accurate.

>>37566695
I guess it's true, at least they seem to know what they are doing and until something like shilling racemixing starts to show up in their streams I see no problem with them, but the point is she couldn't become a holo and it pisses me off that tranny and his gay project made it impossible, a missed opportunity to throw her the holoball.

>>37561258
I didn't fully understand their point of view, but it also seemed related to a certain disdain for liking an anime-like character which was somewhat put in contrast to appreciating the actor behind the character. It was heavily emphasized that there are "real people" behind the characters and that we should care mainly about their needs. I was downvoted to oblivion for advocating the importance of the kayfabe and the lore.

>>37538303
That seems pretty hard to achieve and risky, for instance, let's assume that gen 6 got treated this way, what would have happened with Lapras? would she stay if she got only the brand but got her previous model and still owned the rights? guess cover could pay for a new model and get those rights but what if she decides to abandon the brand and stream with the previous version? then it puts the fans in a though position where they have to go through months/years of her content to know her, sounds more appealing and exiting to start from zero.

>>37566794
She... could blend in perfectly but could spark some retarded drama with a certain holo, not on purpose but because dramafags will dramafag

>>37566794
After all these years, her character design is still one of the best that was ever created. I used to watch her vids back in the day, but never got into her streams.

EN was lightning in a bottle, if it wasn't for the chinese flu it would have never gotten as big as it did but time moves on and now that they actually have to put in effort for results they went to shit all over the board, while JP remain strong because they had some work ethic right from the beginning (yes, even ayame used to stream a lot)

Anyways, graduate all the dumb EN whores or move those who haven't done collabs with the faggots to JP if they accept to do their reps (HA!), ID should keep going as it is since it's a very versatile market and easier to deal with cultural differences and the like

>>37536534
Don't end a statement with a question mark, anon.

>holoEN drama
uh? It's pretty clear that most of the EN talents don't give a single fuck, but the drama is almost nonexistent, aside from the dumb tempiss stuff and Mori losing her shit for a while after getting the condom money SC
If you want some real drama you just have to watch Nijisanji EN, and they are still doing fine

>>37558471
Gura got a cute model/outfit and enjoys playing her character. She knows how fortunate she is compared to some of the other talents like Kronii or Ina. There is more going on with holoEN than what any of them can say. Cover's policy of randomly giving out models/outfits means that some of the hololive talents get stuck playing roles they didn't want. Cover is their own worst enemy and their corporate policies are the root cause for the low morale in holoEN.

>>37568313
>JP remain strong because they had some work ethic right from the beginning (yes, even ayame used to stream a lot)
Pretty much this desu. The first year of the EN branch was strong because they were motivated and everyone was still learning how to stream, but since then they went straight downhill

How EN3 can save HoloEN:
>They need to hire someone who wants to be a leader
>Get her to organize a few fun events with Myth and Council, maybe a mario kart tournament with some punishments for the losers
>Make the new EN3 members to push for collabs with her EN senpais
>Every member should do a zatsudan stream at least once a week during their first couple of months
>Drawing and karaoke streams are encouraged
>FPS and shitty multiplayer streams should be discouraged for a few months
>Resurrect the minecraft server and start some long term project, ask for help to the previous gens and try to get the attention of the other branches
>Your fans are KAMISAMA. Don't engage in GFE shit if you don't enjoy it, but treat your fans with respect and make them feel like you are having fun talking with them

>>37563432
Coco was only liked for breaking boundaries, hence why she lost most of her original fans when she moved to Vshojo

>>37569939
I'd add
>For the love of good, hire some euro chuubas

>Wanting EN3
...Why? There's a high probability of most of the candidates being vapid zoomers who have never watched a single JP stream and only know of hololive thanks to the recent EN streams

>>37567169
But they're literally actors????

Since girl waves are so tame, they could recruit Nux and make a mixed wave to make for fun zatsus

>>37570257
Here's your (You)

>>37535952
>who would want to work there?
They make money while barely doing anything, who wouldn't want to work there? They are getting carried by the JP branch so hard that they should feel ashamed

>>37570543
And that's why the next wave will be full of grifters. The ones who are actually passionate about vtubing have seen how absurd HoloEN management is so they'll probably just stay indie or join a small corpo.

>>37569939
They should hire girls passionate about Hololive like Kiara. If Kiara would be able to overcome her weaknesses she would be a perfect Holo member.

>>37558471
>>37559069
>>37558801
>>37559508
Risu straight up said she hated the idea vtubers were fake like wrestling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ocsaRq3ns

>>37570752
I don't like Kiara that much, but she is clearly one of the few EN who still seem to care about doing their jobs. I actually feel a little bad for her, she is always the one who gets the short end of the stick when doing a collab, and lately the rest of the EN girls don't seem to care about her

>>37570752
Kiara's weakness is her lack of charisma and that's the type of weakness that's almost impossible to overcome.

>>37570900
Then she's a hypocrite because she literally has a double personality thing going on with Ayunda and Risu being separate entities.

>>37570900
This reminds me of the moment when FBK got legitimate sad after all the cat jokes thrown at her

>>37571254
That's a weird take. Do you also think an actor is an hypocrite or a liar?

>>37571254
I think her comparison is more about having some to follow script than playing a character

>>37571347
Wrestling is acting. It's sports acting, but still acting. Her not wanting vtubing to be compared to something that's acting while doing stuff that's literally acting makes her a hypocrite. Granted, it's not like she does her bit all the time, and I'm not advocating for this, but vtubers who are "just myself with an anime avatar" are a waste of time because they could've just saved their money on the rig and used a static picture or nothing at all if they didn't want to facecam.

>>37571634
Ad-lib is a thing. In fact it's one the biggest thing for streamers, especially vtubers. I also agree with the sentiment about scripts, but that doesn't mean that the complete opposite (no acting at all) is the correct way.

>>37571797
>Granted, it's not like she does her bit all the time
That's the thing, anon. Ayunda is a bit, it's just Risu playing around. Do you think Fubuki is also an hypocrite when she becomes Kurokami?

>>37571843
NTA but Fubuki also hasn't said she hates the idea of vtubers being "fake". if risu says vtubers acting is fake and proceeds to act that would make her a hypocrite.

>>37571797
but I don't think she's complaining about the acting, or at least without the context and exact phrasing she used it's what I assume, but more about scripted storylines vs organic storylines

>>37571124
It's a big challenge, but not impossible in the VTubing context. She would need to be aware of the issue and be determined to deal with it. There are various methods that are used in the corporate environment. A lot of them are bullshit, but some of them work. The best thing she could do is invest in a good coach.

Where is the "Tempus is EN3" retard hiding?

>>37571292
I missed this. Why does it bother her?

>>37570900
Risu took the comparison to wrestling as an insult. They may be acting as their characters but they dislike the implication that everything is fake. That touches a nerve since some of the events are scripted.

>>37535952
Hololive EN3 is fucked at this point. With Rye confirmed in the Jew company, there's nobody left for them to recruit. All of the good talents have slipped away. Cover is incompetent. They would rather keep adding ugly male vtubers than have new girls.

>>37572838
It's supposed to be fake. They are roleplaying as virtual anime girls that appeal to men. Meanwhile she has 600 viewers because she doesn't even know what she's doing.

>>37572944
Lmao they’ve wasted so much on faggots who still hover in the 3 view territory. And for what? Hahahahahaha

>>37571124
>her lack of charisma
The fuck are you smoking? She is easily the most charismatic in Myth, she just has too little confidence to take on the role of a leader despite de facto being one.
She is in full control of all of her HoloTalks and took control of the terrible first day of the AX panel. You can also compare her leading Myth to kill the Ender Dragon to Fauna trying to do the same with CouncilRyS.
Hell, when she went to the US all of Myth as well as Fauna and Bae came to see her. She made their 2D Walfie outfits a reality and all the girls happily took her suggestion for the other two outfits Myth go. If Kiara wants to do something everyone else follows.

>>37569939
All of them need to collab with Tempus ASAP, no collab ban, right after debut, they will group collab with Tempus

>>37571843
I love how you completely ignored my post just to focus on the hypocrite part. Even if it's a bit there should be at least a small layer of acting because just being yourself without any addition or augmentation is fucking boring. Keeping the kayfabe is pure ad-lib and never needed a script, and vtubers who can't do this bare minimum are wasting the possibilities that the medium gives them.

>>37572727
Because it was spammed to death by EOPs.

I really don't understand why both HoloEN and NijiEN skipped out on promising indie girls in favor of chasing males or tiktok thots respectively. Phase, Kawaii, and Idol have all captured the good girls and now there's nothing left.
And EN management would be silly to think lightning can strike twice and that they'll get another Myth with another set of outsiders. They're too big to take a risk like that now.

>>37535952
There wasn't a good EN 1 or 2 so their track record isn't exactly stellar.

>>37573321
For manjisanji it made sense, their viewers have always been geared towards male "livers" while the female ones were just accessories.
For HoloEN it was a horrible decision that completely ignored who their fans were and what they want.

>>37573321
For NijiEN it was simple. They saw big number, they hired you. As for Holo they really dropped the ball. Only 2 gens in 26 months was a huge mistake. If they put out a new gen once every 8 months the branch would be in a much better place at this point.

>>37573321
In their defense myth is dissapointing as fuck. Mori favours her RM and Ina hates streaming and will graduate.If anything they didn't vet them enough, this is shown further by Sana's graduation and Kronii hating idol culture while applying to be a vtuber, or La+ trying to funnel people to her RM. Hololive was too lax and now the market is pretty oversaturated with indies, those who can make it will be fine but most won't stand out.

>>37573487
At least a gen each year should've been the goal. At this point HoloJP had 23 members (everyone from Gen 0 to Gen 3), so EN having 16 (15 if we're not counting Sana) while lower would be a decent number and then they could've slow down the pace. Now we're stuck with 10, half of them having highly inconsistent schedules, and who knows when we'll see another batch.

>>37573817
this. nobody's asking for ACCELERATE but it's mindboggling why cover doesn't cement a successful branch and it leaves it to decay.
gotta at least make sure to have enough mems to cover vacation, hiatus, hort and rip

>>37574711
With a bunch of them going to Japan soon, you would think there’ll be a new gen to cover for lack of streams from them going on vacation. But alas, Cover doesn’t seem to care and probably want us to watch Tempus during that time.

>>37574892
If they end up graduating Vesper they should also graduate the entire EN management for how horrible they managed the EN branch.

>>37553361
>>vesper tried to joke with the cash cow and got metooed
Please explain

>>37553361
>Mumei is the only one trying
You mean Fauna

>>37574988
No, Fauna is succeeding and Mumei is trying. God bless her little heart

Still no redesign or 3D model for Irys
Still no 3D models for Council
Nobody streaming, no more growth
No good original songs
No EN3, all good potential talents gave up and settled elsewhere

They prioritized an UGLY male gen before any of these.
It's fucking over.

>>37536418
This. Nijinig’s in shambles.

>>37575153
>Still no redesign or 3D model for Irys
IRyS’s announcement tomorrow night is probably the date for her 2.0. Everything else, who knows.

>>37575259
2.0 is still unrelated to 3D.

>>37575259
The anon said redesign, which is what the 2.0 is.

>>37575153
Yeah anon, we need another StarsEN gen.
Then ID4…Then Maaaaaybeee you can have your precious EN3 kek.

Cover realized Calli-based failed VAs suck at streaming, fuck another EN gen Council/Myth was a boosted mistake.

>>37570900
Risu doesn't think vtubers are wrestling because she probably grew up in the Attitude Era and Ruthless Aggression Era, where wrestling was about being a bad boy and where even the Faces were still dickheads. Stone Cold vs The Rock and McMahon were the highlight of the era. Risu is rejecting the notion that she is acting or presenting herself in a fake manner for entertainment value. She has a character, but the character is closer to herself, but slightly exaggerated, and given a fantastical angle that lets her capitalize on her talents as the mood strikes her. This ironically reinforces that vtubers ARE like wrestling, just not the era of wrestling most people would think of these days. Risu is based on older ideas, like how Randy Savage would use his nueroses to plan angles where he acts jealous or is overbearing on a partner, because that's who he was: an emotional detail-oriented planner that saw the little things and got way too autistic about making sure everything was correct before showtime. People like him and Ric Flair who just played it up for the cameras have been around for ages, and will continue to be around. HHH is still running the business. Keith Lee is basically playing himself but overenunciating all of his words. The Miz is so deep in his character that nobody can tell where it stops or IF it stops.
By rejecting the comparison between vtubers and wrestling because of it being "fake", Risu has reinforced the position that vtubers and wrestling have a lot in common.

>>37575651
Is Luna the Miz of vtubing?

>>37575527
>Cover realized Calli-based failed VAs suck at streaming
Because Tempus is the exact opposite of that, right? I hope you have fun seeing Magni slowly but surely going balls deep within Californian streamer circles while dragging his "bros" to the same hellhole.

>>37575762
Yes.

>>37538417
It wasn't attempted suicide you absolute piece of shit, stop making things up.

>>37535952
EN3 will kill HoloEN

>>37560501
Okay Elon

>>37556565
>>37572714

>>37576956
Imagine Elon buying twitter and actually forcing the girls to stream or else they get the boot.

>>37546864
Kiara wants to go to Japan and get use out of the studio. She's talked about how she plans on going there for around a month straight to be able to do stuff both in the studio and with other JP members. Fags talk about 'Honorary JP member' all day with Gura which is absolutely retarded given Kiara actually has rapport with a few of the JP girls, did shit with many of them when she lived in Japan, and had Holotalk specifically featuring them to outside audiences (re: getting more eyes on them, the whole point of the job). The only people who might be closer to 'honorary JP' in EN are Mori because she knows a little bit of Japanese and lives there, and Irys who's fluent AND lives there.

>>37557300
Hololive production treats their EN branch as a side gig more like, talents have no choice but to work on their alternatives because nothing may happen as long as there are no offices/set up in America where most holoENs/StarsENs are

>>37570900
False equivalency. Keeping to character/lore isn't the same as having a fake personality (which is what Risu is talking about in that clip). Risu plays up her squirrel role a fair amount as well.

>>37578741
lol imagine getting a world wide fanbase thrown in your lap and half assing the group that brought them in. an advertisement for JP alright

>>37578741
>>37580346
Imaging blaming EN's lack of streaming on the JP management. Lol.

>>37536418
>that house is on fire!
>yeah but it's bigger than all the other houses so it's fine

>>37578741
Again, if you think things are bad right now opening an office on fucking America will be the last thing that'll help with EN's situation.

>>37580751
NTA and I'm not sold strictly on "opening an office" but it's undeniable you cannot just take Japanese digital marketing norms and try to shoehorn them into western markets and have it work. They literally lack the cultural knowledge to advertise EN effectively and their own EN materials are Jap-infested ESL crap. Something has to change.

>>37549963
>Comparing concert 'guests' to a fucking 3D debut
Bro that's not how it works

>>37559129
>Mori is bad because she was better than her friend
>she should have sacrificed her future for the slight chance that her friend might have gotten into it
t. some retard who wouldn't even help his best friend move

>>37575153
HoloES when?