/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>37558037
NowaGura off-collab when ?
I love blacked ntr

Luxiem is what normalized male vtubing, En management is just garbage and thought making en gen 3 males was a good idea because luxiem but it turns out surprise that Hololive fans don't care about male choobas

>>37558037
>>normalising male vtubing
>implying shame would have stopped male vtubers

>>37558203
This
Luxiem's success was the catalyst
Just like Myth's jumpstarted western vtubings

The first vtuber was a male you idiot

>>37558037
>hate Tempus because male
>give Tempus credit for Luxiem's work because Holo
Wowie

>>37558037
luxiem ruined vtubing before tempus even existed

>>37558037
Luxiem won't be successful if Myth and Council are more consistent with their stream.

>>37558037
Why do you hate men so much anon?

>>37558824
because im not gay unlike you.

>>37558841
I wasn't asking about your sexual preferences. I was asking why you hate your own gender so much.

>>37558868
who said im a male? and no im not a tranny either

>>37558868
They're rapists and criminals.

>>37558037
Tempus numbers are shit and go into 3view. Male vtubing is far from normalized.

>>37558889
>who said im a male?
That explains a lot about you retards.

>>37558037
watch the things you like and ignore things you don't, is that so hard?

>>37558804
Luxiem fans are most definitely NOT watching Myth and Council rumao

>>37558037
Tempiss didn't normalize male vtubing
Hololive is stronger than ever, EN whores were getting lazy and uppity due to the undeserved success regardless

>>37558203
I saw it coming almost a year away and thought "SURELY EN management can realize that Luxiem only worked because NijiJP already had millions of female fans in Asia right, and that this won't at all repeat if they try it right?? Surely random dudes on /vt/ aren't much-wiser than EN management right??" wrong. unfortunately.

>>37559026
>Thinks it is not profitable
Anon...
The best part about males antis is that they can't get males out of their heads

>>37558979
When the things I like become the things I don't, yes.

>>37559102
you're literally talking to yourself about shit I didn't say at all. apparently, all that matters to you is profit.

>>37558037
hololive was my safespace then they ruined it by adding males. it was the last thing I was holding onto on this earth.

HoloEN ruined itself. Tempiss is just an excuse.

>>37559134
>It's not what I'm saying, money is not everything
Please explain, you lost me in two posts.

>>37558203
Luxiem normalized fujo baiting. Whoever doesn't fujo bait or does appear to be so just won't make the cut. Even Noctyx did poorly compared to Luxiem because they don't have a good fujo baiter.

I want to understand how unicorns work. You are attracted to something (women) but you have a seething over the fact that the object of your attraction (women) experiences sexual attraction as well (towards men)
You know that this is the pre-requisite for women wanting to fuck you, right? So why are you okay that something exists for your niche (female vtubers that you are attracted to) but sperg out when the same thing exists for the object of your desire (women who watch male vtubers that they are attracted to)

>>37559272
it's biology. if you don't understand male biology already I don't think a couple sentences is going to do it, you're quite fucking far from comprehending shit indeed.

>>37559300
>the unicorn cries out as he strikes you

>>37559300
That and a underdeveloped frontal lobe.

>>37559387
I'm saying either you're literally brainwashed to accept shit you biologically shouldn't, or if you're female then there is no way I can just be your dad and teach you how boys work and you can go ahead and screech all you want, you're probably years away from getting it.

>>37559272
this guy sounds like a pedophile

>>37559424
So you want to fuck women but don't want women to want to fuck you?

>>37559449
no, I don't want to be a fucking creep standing in a corner watching people flirt and shoot the shit for hours, daily. that is not normal human behavior. I'm not here for the third wheel experience.

>>37558037
you mean luxiem

>>37559475
You shouldn't be lusting after online whores in the first place.

>>37559528
as usual, the anti-unicorn argument boils down to "well I dont like vtubers anyway". what a great demographic that cover decided to market to.

>>37558037
Way to steal an achievement from Nijichads holofaggot. This is why chumbuds are the worst fanbase on the board.

>>37559558
You can like vtubers without being attracted to them. It's like being upset over rom-coms because the main female lead likes the main male lead.

>>37559624
Only women in their 30s like romcoms

>>37559624
>vtubers are cringe bruh I just watch them on my school lunch break bruh because me and my friends make fun of them fr fr
fuck off zoomer and come back when youre not a coward and can have hobbies without self depreciating yourself.
I watch vtubers and I respect the person behind the chuuba unlike you retard. why are you on /vt/ if you dont like vtubers?

>>37559475
Just because a female and male talk it doesn't mean they are flirting anon

>>37559733
is that what your girlfriend tells you when she leaves to watch movies and go to parties with her male bestie?

>>37559678
Anon I've been watch vtubers for 4 years, have friends that enjoy vtubers and have multiple memberships. If you respect the person behind the vtuber, then don't get upset when they have fun with a male vtuber.
>>37559656
/a/ does feel like a flock of middle aged women sometimes, maybe you're onto something

I don't really agree desu. But I am also a male vtuber so I'm extremely biased.

>>37559656
so if i want to get into hags dms, i should infiltrate rom com circles.

>>37559788
I am OP and I am a male 3view but I never collab with women and actually my viewers love when I tell them I never will do it. tempiss are just clueless retards and they want to groom. they really did ruin hololive and vtubing.

>>37559804
I got into villainess otome manhwa communities and it's full of women, you should try it

>>37559747
I guess you'll have to make sure your girlfriend's workplace doesn't have any males

>>37559825
ohnononono.... your girlfriend has a full time job???

>>37559817
Did they really though? The medium isn't even ten years old yet.

>>37559026
>NijiEN fans
>giving a solitary fuck about NijiJP

>>37559102
who are you quoting?

>>37558889
>not male
>not gay
Then how the fuck do you hate males if you're implying to be a straight female

>>37559272
People want to watch cute girls without seeing ugly males trying to shoot their shot or be faggots.

>>37559874
men will never learn...

>>37559889
what is your favorite flavor of potion

>>37559759
You just called them online whores and now you're talking about respecting them. Why do you have this weird homobegging agenda where you just try out conflicting arguments to desperately try to support it?

>>37559733
Yeah, I know how that is. However, usually that applies to known social bounds - random middle-aged people who have been married with kids or whatever. Or people who already have known partners or are married etc. With vtubers there is no self-evident boundary, and couple with the ages of these people often being mid or early 20s it feels not unlike a mixer or random people from uni "just hanging out" etc. So it's ambiguous at best.

You also don't actually need to know a girl closely to fuck her if she accepts hanging and talking with you for a couple hours at a party. Like, I know this first-hand. I'm not saying random people over the internet who likely will never even get close to meeting IRL are the equiv of college mixers, no.. but the -feeling- is a bit like it sometimes, depending on who it is really. And it's hard to avoid that feeling/atmosphere really. I guess for some people (read: girls) they find it exciting because they like romance/subtle flirty chemistry etc. But a guy who is a viewer who has symbolically "known" a chuuba for potentially years, sees a vtuber dude popping in as a sudden threat who is closer to this girl and the viewer ever will be and thus, the shitty 3rd wheel experience. Of which, a normal dude with actual self-esteem is gonna say "you know, I just wont' take this shit" and go do something else if a girl chuuba starts doing this a ton. It's just not interesting to us.

>>37558037
Normalize this *cums on you*

>>37559916
I'm not even the same anon.

>>37559272
I feel like the pleas of supposedly not being able to understand unicorns are growing more and more nonsensical with troll logic. Like you would have to be a genuine retard to not get it.

>>37559272
>my wife is straight, I am a man, my wife must love cock, bigger the better therefore I am ok with her to fuck a BBC in front of me, because I am not a unicorn

>>37559733
>he doesn't know
this is a cuck in the making, if not already

>>37558979
Where do you think you are? If you don’t like getting irrationally angry over nonissues then maybe 4chan isn’t for you

>>37559825
You know that workplace is pretty much dating site?

>>37559916
I respect bitches and whores. I don't respect hypocritical bitches and whores.

>>37560092
a workplace is the only place I have ever had girls attracted to me. even when seeing my hololive phone background, it turned into "haha you like anime so much, youre such a dork haha, nah but I get it, they are cute. so are you coming to the work party tomorrow??"

>>37559300
>>37559436
>>37559880
>>37559988
>>37560020
Are you faggots too stupid to understand the question? Why do you hate male vtubers on principle even when they don't interact with your worthless dna guzzling whores?

>>37558979
The issue is more like "this thing I liked for years is becoming something I really don't like and I don't want to just drop it and ignore it now, so I wanna try to keep it the way I liked it."

with something like vshojo, ethot indies etc there wasn't ever a sudden unicorns "issue" because they never saw those girls as girls to gosling over in the first place. it's only """suddenly""" a problem when tempus came about and girls who the audience had known for almost 2 years in some cases, suddenly rapidly change and turn sour on their audience. Kronii is one but Ame is the real disappointment - when she was new as a chuuba, she did a date stream (with a gosling on the bed by the way) and a Bladerunner 2049 watchalong etc. Yes, that actually-happened. She rolled with it and fun with it, once upon a time. Then this gives away to improve yourself, "you can complain but I'll do it anyway" etc. You can argue she was a shitter all along who would have done this if Tempus came along 3 months after Myth debuted, but it didn't, it happened almost 2 years in after tons had come and gone already. Somehow almost every single HoloJP girl (besides Fubuki who is more like an obligate corporate fake-unity shill) gets this yet like half the ENs don't. Just goes to show they were never worth it in the first place.

>>37560246
It's not Tempus' fault that you watch whores whore themselves out for money and then throw themselves at the first male they see

>>37560154
Workplace is just grown men/women's highschool. Last time couples can form organically and also where most cheating happens

>>37560261
if they weren't there in the first place EN would be in much stronger standing. OP's statement is still not wrong or disproven in the slightest.

furthermore all tempus has done is bring division, shilled in the name of "unity" quite fucking ironically.

>>37560246
I mean, it's not like HoloJP was unicorn friendly from it's inception. Almost all of their collabs involved men until the idolfication happened 2 years later. As someone who was watching Hololive from the beginning, it was weird to see them taking this route though I understand why they did. So for me, at least for EN, instead of "Hololive is changing", it feels more like "Hololive is going back to it's roots".

>>37558824
I only hate males that are getting in my view. I don't mind the males I don't see or those who are somewhere in the distance in the background.

they haven't interacted with your oshi so why do they matter

>>37560325
>it feels more like "Hololive is going back to it's roots".
Being 2views?

>>37560464
Only for EN lol.

>>37559023
Litteraly on any metric holoEN is weaker than it ever have. And tempus either had 0 impact or worsened the situation. IMO it worsened the situation at least in the ambiance. well we know have public fight between talent and management resulting in public punishement.

>>37558037
Gura normalised vtubers having sex with me

>>37560558
Yeah all me.

>>37558037
I was optimistic about the male vtubers, since I grew up watching male streamers. But the penis and fudge packing jokes made me drop it quickly.
Then watches some of the collabs. The flirting with each other, ignoring the fans, made it NTR material.
Just saying it could have worked if done more professionally.

>>37560793
>since I grew up watching male streamers
Everyone grew up watching male streamers...female streamers were not a thing.

>>37560215
Who the fuck watch male vtubers? Do you even watch them?
They are all fucking insufferable.

>>37559011
Unironically, Yes they do. /#/ have proven it multiple times.

>>37560464
nta but I absolutely despise this line of thinking. "Ignore your original fanbase to please the much more populated trendy fanbase." It's the reason why higher ups keep pushing for more Souls games from From Soft instead of more Armored Core games, or why Gamefreak refuses to go back to their great 2d style while making shitty and buggy 3D games

>>37560975
>/#/ have proven it multiple times.
Sure sure Anon

>>37558037
gura ruined hololive and basically all of vtubing by normalising not streaming

Male vtubing is saving my sanity.

>>37561594
From what?

>>37559220
I can't tell if this is satire or you actually believe this.

>>37560793
Being a male stream is all body language and it doesn't translate well when streaming behind an avatar.

>>37562434
*streamer is all about

>>37558900
Wise for the misandry. I look forward to the day when all men are put under house arrest and our only contact with women is through streams

>>37558824
Why do you like men so much?

>>37559817
Based

>>37560092
Not in 2022. I hope you like firings or jail time

I get continued enjoyment from the male failures here who are so insecure that the mere idea of a male near their female vtubers is too much to bear

>>37564427
you are upset because your girlfriend cheats on you, we unicorns are upset because our oshi's on youtube are ruining their videos by collabing with males, we are not the same

>>37558037
>by normalising male vtubing
Oh yeah. So many male vtubers outside of Tempus/NijiEN
Like.... Hum..
And...
Yeah..

>>37558037
male vtubing has been a plague since before tempiss

>>37558037
>tempiss ruined hololive and basically all of vtubing by showing your oshi is a cuck hungry whore without self control
also
>no delivery

>>37558824
>>37558868
>>37558975
>>37559528
>>37559624
The more you insist upon me changing what I enjoy, the more I will do it more out of spite. And I am literally unbreakable in terms of willpower. Your world view is wrong. My world view is right. You just keep choosing to escalate and that's what makes you a faggot

>>37565809
The only cuck hungry whore here is you homobeggar

>>37558824
I prefer fleshtubers who dont sound like gay retards

>muh Luxiem
To be fair most people other than the Nijicultists don't know male vtuber is a thing until Tempus, Luxiem makes more money than Tempus but they're not mainstream, unlike Tempus who has Holo brand.

ITT: holobronies mad when something isn’t for them

>>37560558
>>37560609
These two guys had sex!

>>37566725
It's proven fact it only works in asia. West dunks on this shit.

>>37560282
I go out of my way to leave snide, terrible, or rude comments on collab videos I don’t even watch just so that cucks respond. I now go out of my way to make the online community worse for all involved. Faggots deserve the rope.

>>37566326
Based. Never bend the knee to the Homonigger narrative. Whores who collab with Tempiss and Tempiss themselves deserve forced graduation. Nothing less.

>>37564528
>I'm not a cuck, I'm just acting like one!

You became a cuck the moment you obsessed over a 3dpd whore, anon

>>37558037
nah, it was Cali. We've had male vtubers before HoloEN had even been a thought in yagoos head and this was never an issue.

Then Calli came along and decided she'd do collab with a guy and it's been downhill since.

>>37567039
How is he a cuck? His gf/wife didn't cheat on him.
Do you know what the word cuck even means?

>>37558037
This is the qctual reason Gura doesn't stream.
Afraid of Tempus

>>37567265
>feels slighted and insecure every time a male appears near his 'oshi'
Like i said, may not be one but definitely acting like one.

Also, >muh dictionary definitions

what a faggot

>>37568018
>An ESL homobeggar is calling someone else a faggot
lmao

>>37568087
actual cuck cope
words can be used outside the context of a book, you autistic moron

>>37567039
>You became a cuck the moment you obsessed over a 3dpd whore, anon
And you became a cuck when you became obsessed with turning normal masculine instinctual locker room misogyny into an feminine ideology you actually put into words and then lesk your estrogen over basket weaving forums
I don't care what you think or what anybody thinks
I don't care about your plans and your social issues and your faggotry politics or your jews and I especially don't have any fucks to give about all the many different retarded faggots like you that live rent free in your head
I will go and work and be useful and make money and then I will donthings i like and not so things I like and if anybody tries to stop me I will proceed to demonstrate that my dick is far bigger than yours and I won't stop until you shut the fuck up so I can drink a fucking beer and enjoy the things
Youbdo not matter, I do not care, but you are giving me a headache and that makes you a woman to me so please go cry somewhere else, becky

>>37568169
whoa calm down nigger
an actual productive member of society wont cry when their favorite actress appears on screen with a male lead for a movie
fucking faggot zoomer culture lmao

>>37558841
So you never had friends?

>>37568132
Sure they can. When it makes sense that is. "Anyone who feels jealous is a cuck" is a completely retarded thing to say.
You are unironically retarded. I am not even saying that to insult you. Go see a doctor maybe you'll get some pity money for your disability.

>>37568285
nta but actually having friends negates the need for male vtubers

>>37568285
I actually havent. something wrong with that kronii? does it blow you mind to realise not everyone lives their life exactly like you?

>>37559272
imagine you're watching a female violinist performing a piece on stage, and while doing it, her boyfriend is raw dogging her from behind. would you be disgusted by this and walk out? likely, that would be considered a reasonable response by most.

now imagine the same situation except this time, the boyfriend is just fondling and groping her body. walk out? a bit gross but maybe some will tolerate it for the good music.

same thing again, but now the boyfriend is just giving her a peck on the cheek. some people will still walk out.

again, but now the boyfriend is just having a chat and flirting with her. most will likely stay.

yet again, but no intimate or sexual thing, the boyfriend is just chatting with her, cracking jokes. completely innocent, hard to imagine anyone would walk out at this point.

people are on a scale and because of the heavily the otaku/anime audience skews towards the social outliers, there are way more people in the vtubing fanbase who are so sensitive to the implied intimacy that they just can't enjoy watching the cute anime girls anymore if a dude is around and having fun with her.

>>37568810
>and because of HOW heavily the otaku/anime audience skews towards the social outliers
i'm dumb and missed a word

>>37568373
>jealous about an actress on stage with a male coworker
yeesh and I'm the mentally disabled one

You don't own the product or the show, retard

>>37568810
I’m imagining a car going really fast instead of reading this post. It’s a photo finish! Wow!

>>37562434
That'd demonstrably not true. Vinny and Joel are some of the best male streamers and they almost never use a face cam.

>>37558037
false flag discord thread

>>37568810
I'd find it more acceptable to see them fuck than to see them chatting.

>>37558824
Vtubing is like cake
Better without cock in it

>>37568908
Is all about Voice and Reaction to what hapens in the game.

>>37568878
Consumers have the right to complain about the quality of the product they consume.
That's how it works in civilized countries at least. Your shithole may have different rules.

>>37568810
I'm there to listen to violin and to oggle the girl. If they are going to even chat on stage together then I can't hear the violin, and at that point I'm just ogling a girl chatting with some guy making me feel like a creep. I would leave even in the final example because they are doing something that wasn't advertised and not what I came for.

>>37568810
Why compare a musician showcasing her art to vtubers who, whilst ostensibly entertainers are also happy to engage in emotional prostitution with their viewers to keep their predominately lonely male fanbases dedicated (paying) customers.

I see what you are trying to say but the comparison doesn't work, it is just not the same, they know what they are doing and the audience they are courting.