/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Reminder that average views and like rates are much more important than subscriber count.

>>3661159

>>3662471
These are the numbers I’ve been looking at for a while. Take my eyes off and then WTF happened

>>3661943
I'm not yet sure what, but sounds like you're coping for something

>>3663593
It's not cope. Viewers are literally the only thing that matters.

>>3662663
maybe bots were removed

>>3662471
Fish has almost the same subs as the other two combined.
Brapfags are something else.

The only numbers that matter are damage, kills, and placement

>>3661159
I'm really happy for Mel even though she's not my oshi.

The only numbers that matter are how much times they've had sex.

>>3661943
Viewers come from subscribers. No subscribers, no viewers. Ninjisanji EN actually needs subscribers. They obviously have value. Stop the cope.

>>3666017
Of course subscribers matter but subscriber-to-viewer percentage matters even more. Hololive as a whole is inflated like all hell with extremely low subscriber-to-viewer ratios.

>>3666091
>Hololive has extremely low subscriber-to-viewer ratios.
Actually, the amount of live viewers for Hololive is high even for YouTube in general. So what does that say about the rest of YouTube?

#AllNumbersMatter

>>3666091
I checked this myself

Normie channels:
Pewdiepie has 3.5% sub to viewer ratio
T-Series has 0.3% sub to viewer ratio
just for shits and giggles, Cocomelon has 18.5% sub to viewer ratio which is considered very high for Playboard

Hololive:
Gura 21.6% sub to viewer
Pekora is 28.6%

Just for comparison to other Companies
Kuzuha Ch - 40.1% (which isn't surprising, we know people watch Tokyo Ghoul)
Tsukino Mito - 32.1%
Kanae - 25%
HimeHina - 18.2%
Kizuna Ai - 5.7%

Hololive's numbers aren't low, in fact, they seem to be average. I'm more surprised for Nijisanji, although I can mostly attribute that to low subs/high views which bumps the ratio compared to Holo's average views/high subs

>>3661159
>>3639785
Gee anon, why does Moot let you have 2 numbers threads?

>>3666819
In raw numbers, Hololive beats Nijisanji

In ratios, Niji beats Hololive

>>3666091
The higher the numbers, the lower that ratio becomes for anyone. If you have 1 sub and somebody new comes to watch then you have 200% subscriber to viewer ratio. Is that ratio percentage number fucking amazing compared to holos low ratio? You wont convince any advertiser with that. Stop pushing that dumb ratio when context matters more

If someone has 100 subs while pulling 80 live viewers, it’s still not meaningful despite the high ratio. So what matters for a VTuber is the combination of sub number + live viewers. Which is what Nijisanji EN wants. They could care less about the ratio.

Gura always wins

>>3666091
t. Statistics Flunkie
The only metrics the matters to advertisers is "views", after that is "live views". Everything else after that is demographics filters.

>>3662663
The AI purged a bunch of subs because of how aggressive its programming is. Lot of people had to resub to them.

>>3666206
>>3666819
Hololive has high engagement relative to most youtubers, the dead subs is pure nijifag cope.

>>3661159
2019 - 2021

>>3667021
Gura is the Todd Howard of Hololive

>>3668780
who tf search for hololive production?

>>3669065
>replying to obvious bait
newfagchama...

>>3663593
Have you ever seen people compare the amount of followers people have on twitch?
No, they only compare live viewers.

>>3668780
>Hololive production
You had one job, anon, and you fucked it up.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2019-01-01%202019-12-31&q=hololive,nijisanji

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2020-01-01%202020-12-31&q=hololive,nijisanji

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2021-01-01%202021-12-31&q=hololive,nijisanji

>>3669134
Are you retarded? People definitely compare the amount of followers in Twitch

>>3666870
OOOOOOH GAAAAWD THE RAAAAAAYSHHHIOOOOOOOOSSZA THE RRRRRRRAAAAAAWWWWWWWWHHHHRRR NUMBERZZ I'M GONNA COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUNT AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGH

>>3666969
Does total views not matter at all?

>>3669606
They do but not to the nutsagi

>>3666206
Here is my live view count ranking for vtuber/talents/livers/streamers independent of platform (twitch or youtube)

0-5 views: Who?
5-10 views: Still who?
10-50 views: Known within a small social group.
50-100 views: Well-known within a small social group.
100-500 views: "Who?" for people outside of that small social group
500-1k views: Known within niche-interest group (bigger than the previous small social circle).
1k-5k view: "Who?" for normies, well-known within niche-interest group.
5k-10k views: "I did heard about this person before, but I never bother watching them" for normies that knows about that niche-interest group.
10k-25k views: "Yeah I did watch that person" for some normies, "I've heard about this person" or "who?" for a totally normal fag. Have big influence on the niche-interest group.
25k-50k: Become mainstream for normies, "I tried to watch this person" for a totally normal fag. Eventually represent the not-so-niche-interest group.
50k-100k: May become mainstream within the platform they're streaming on. Will appears on news, brand ads infrequently.
100k-500k: mainstream enough that every normies will try at least once to jump in to watch just for the sake of it. May represent the entire culture they're associated with.
500k: mainstream celebs

Anything else I'm missing?

>>3670028
1M: Superstars

>>3670028
This is such a fucked up mindset. No wonder you all think many are failures.

100 viewers is already way above the average. 1k is already much bigger. Above 2k? Insane. I really recommend y'all to look at streaming numbers. I see so much people in here talking about Roboco, Mel, Choco, Anya, Hana and many vtubers being failures but they are way above the normal.

>>3670106
Doubt any of the holofags who joined the VTuber community last year has ever watched a streamer before, so of course they wouldn't know what the norm is.

>>3670106
Don't let them get to you. They care about numbers more then anything else even the quality of the actual stream matters way less to them then views

>>3670106
I agree that 0-5 views should be the average for wannabe streamers. Looking at discovery tab on twitch there's a fuckton of 0 views stream out there. Hell even 10 views is already considered to be lucky enough.

>>3670403
You are sorely underestimating the scope of the issue.

>>3670403
https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/new-twitch-stats-reveal-how-few-viewers-are-needed-to-be-a-top-streamer-1527638/

6~ viewers is already in the top 7% (for Twitch)

>>3666938
But the highest viewers to subscribers ratio in Hololive (excluding Mio who was an anomaly because of the special guest morning streams) is Pekora who has the 3rd highest sub count

>>3670995
kek

>>3671229
Pekora is anomaly too, even among the Holo.

>>3671278
Maybe but her numbers are consistent, and Gura was fairly high up the list as well, meanwhile the lowest were the IDs, who have the fewest subs. So all I'm saying is that having fewer subs doesn't mean you have a better ratio at all

The only likeable EN HoloLive streamer is Ninomae. The rest is thot trash (IRL) with a Live2D model.

If you want some decent JP/EN speaking streamers go watch Pikamee or Highping Monaca:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWbqXU7AKes

>>3671229
Pekora is 28%
Marine is 32.5%

So out of the "top 3" most viewed Holos

Marine > Pekora > Gura

Gura is highest in VOD views
Pekora is highest in raw live viewers
Marine is highest in Sub to Viewer Ratio

guy what the fuck happen to VNUMA https://hiyoko.sonoj.net.. Is it dead? I thought it was down because of technical difficulty or something.

>>3671444
Vnuma.net

>>3670995
Actual data. Thank god. I can tolerate number threads and the inevitable shitflinging as long as there's actual data and the numbers derived from them. Numbers from out of an anon's ass only lead to opinions that are nothing but ass.

>>3671368
Sorry you seem lost, this is the numberfagging thread, not the indie shilling thread.

>>3671368
>If you want some decent JP/EN speaking streamers go watch Pikamee or Highping Monaca:
Add Beatani to the list.

>>3671448
thank bro didn't realize there was another url.

>>3671470
Numbers =/= Entertainment value

There's too many HoloEN shills around, while I've found more entertainment value in Pikamee(semi-Indie) and Highping Monaca(Indie).

Wouldn't surprise me if there's several simps that have set-up virtual machine bots (or whatevers) to concurrently watch Hololive streamers via different connections and automatically like their streams.

So the numbers can be padded as much as people like to, but that doesn't make them seem more entertaining, rather more accessible to a bigger crowd.

Accessibility is the only reason HoloEN is this popular, if there ever comes a time where HoloJP gets a proper auto-translation tool or even hire professional translators to translate during their streams, their numbers would go up immensely.
If there ever comes a proper auto-translation tool for the JP Vtubers, their numbers will soar.

>>3666091
>>3666819
For the record
.216 * 2.6mil = 561k
.286 * 1.4mil = 400k
.401 * 800k = 321k
I don't see why ratios should be preferred over actual view numbers. It works as a tiebreaker for channels with relatively equal subscriber counts but it doesn't make sense to compare channels with very different total subs using ratios. Otherwise you could say Gura is BTFOing pewdiepie and T-Series, which is absurd.

>>3671368
But all the chuubas you mentioned are boring as fuck...

>>3671931
I mean, ratio of Viewer to Subs is "fine" if you really want to push the narrative that Gura has dead subs

Like only 500k out of 2.5 mil subscribers watch her at any given time? Bitch should graduate. Fucking disgrace

>>3671368
>Pikamee
>Not a thot trash
kek

>>3661159
>gura still growing more than 2x as fast as the next girl
Damn thats impressive I thought she had slowed down a lot but at this rate she should hit 3m by her birthday.

>>3666819
I always kind intuited this based on the numbers I saw on some other non vtuber channels but its good to have some concrete data.

>>3668780
as they say theres 3 types of lies: Lies, damned lies and statistics.

>>3672514
The only comparison that matters.

>>3672750
>The only comparison that matters

>>3672750
>Note: This comparison contains both Search terms and Topics, which are measured differently.

>>3672935
just for you

>>3673040
out of curiosity, can you add Kizuna to that comparison?

>>3671849
>Numbers =/= Entertainment value
That was never claimed. Entertainment value is too subjective to attach a number. But numbers can indicate general interest and engagement. You're mistaking a numberfags joy in numbers with enjoyment of a chuuba. I enjoy watching holos and vsingers. And I enjoy numberfagging too. Entertainment is not either/or. It's yes or no.

>several simps that have set-up virtual machine bots
You are severely underestimating how lazy people can be. Only a fucking few will ever bother. Also in holo numbers, several botting simps are nothing. Numberpadding is a bigger headache for small chuubas. And considering how obsessive indie groomers get, this practice is probably far more prevalent there.

Lastly,
>reddit spacing

>>3673114
1/2

>>3673137
2/2

3/2, top interest for Ai in the last year

>>3671849
>Go into numbers thread
>Start claiming that numbers isn't everything
Why do people do this?

>>3673698
he is mentally cap anon, pls understand

>>3670403
Also what is more important is the what kind of fans you have.

Look at DPS and low user amount. But the amount of pigges that pay for his living is ridiculous

>>3670028
500-5k seems like the best range.

Need new NUMBERS

>>3673194
I thought India had no interest in VTubers. Did they just hear the "Kizuna AI" keyword brought up and just spamsearch it?

>>3690044
They don't this is a relative scale

>>3696936
wtf,huge incline for Gura

>>3661159
why would you have this sorted by last day? Should be by last week or month for a better picture

>>3697193
one big stream rised the average view

>>3697193
more buff content

>>3697193
Costume reveal

It'll go back down next month

Not saying she'll bleed viewers, but more like go back down to Pekora/Marine numbers

>>3697315
Gura would be astronomically lucky to have marine number after the new outfit buff

>>3703468
What are you talking about, she usually gets 20-30k which is the same as Marine's numbers.

>>3697256
>>3697315
Do you huys know how vnuma calculates the viewrship averages?

>>3670995
This shit is inflated by people who stream simply to record their footage or so friends can watch them. They're not actual streamers.

>>3696936
Chiara...

>>3696936
Even VNUMA tells you the rankings of each HoloEN. But people will keep arguing that Ina isn't #2 in membership inspite of having such dedicated takos. It also illustrates the difference between Ina's sub rate and Kiara's, for better or worse.

>>3705212
Before guras outfit reveal, they had almost 10k difference

Speaking of numbers, is anyone having trouble loading more than six videos on their homepage? It just stops loading new suggestions and infinitely loops the buffering circle. Even the app does the same thing.

>>3713972
Get better internet.

>>3661159
You guys are all fucking stupid. The only thing that matter is average viewers. Subs aren't that important after 20k. I see Matsuri barely getting 1k viewers some streams and she has almost 1M. (Not happy about it, I like matsuri)

>>3713184
Not really she was just playing debuff games like metroid or terraria(and monhun).

>>3714553
I am pretty sure all entertainment companies care about subs. Without infated subs Cover's net worth would be much lower, lol.

>>3714553
Only revenue matters. Money makes the world go around, it keeps your chuba from graduating.

>>3714724
Subs mean possible audience, reach. It helps to make deals, but in the long run actual views (revenue) what matters.

>>3714510
Nah, it ain't that, my subscription page has no issue loading up new videos as long as I scroll down. Only the homepage seems to be acting up.

Gura's views are fine for 2 million subscribers. Most of her videos range from 400k to 600k views.
>>3714553
Matsuri only has herself to blame for her Apex addiction desu.

>>3714724
They look at subs and live viewers.

Been thinking about it: what useful information could I get by writing some python to parse playboards and store the results in a spreadsheet? Also, would anyone actually use that?

>>3714815
>>3714882
Subcount represents audience reach. Cover needs that to promote themselves to potential partners for future projects.
A vtuber company without a sizable fanbase wont be able to ask for legal permissions and/ or collaborations with big companies like capcom or square.
Live viewers count is another metric to estimate performance, but it is subjected to demographic and geographic factors. Total watched hour is probably more important to youtube but they dont disclose it.
Anyway, Matsuri had it coming for ignoring her fans and playing apex exclusively.

>>3714815
>subs = deals
Without subs, there are no viewers. If you can lock subs at zero on an account, you would be hard pressed to maintain viewers. So obviously it’s important, just not the only thing. From there you need viewer retention. I’m pretty sure Niji EN actually wants subs right now, in order to gain potential viewers.

>>3716050
It's also an algorithm thing.
Youtube rewards the winners and punishes the losers.

Views and subscribers are important in two different ways.
The subcount is important because it shows how influential a channel is.
If a video has over 100 million views but the channel only has 1000 subscribers, then the video is influential but the channel isn't.
A channel needs to increase number of subs so companies and other people see how important that channel is.

Even if Kizuna AI has only less than 100k views per video, people who used to watch her still recognize her.
A company wants to make deals with channels that people recognize enough to subscribe.
That's why subscribers are important.

Doubt anyone cares, but I think that homepage video no loading issue I was having is a server thing. Used a VPN to hop on over to France and all the homepage videos were loading as they used to.

>>3670106
I recommend you to stop writing like a nigger

>>3661159
The only numbers that actually matter are the friends you made along the way

>>3714898
Do it and share it with the class, I'm sure there'd be people here who'd be able to make use of that information.

Today's numbers

>>3722129
Daisenpai's birthday being that low is pretty sad

>>3722129
Oh no its apex again

>>3722180
She was streaming at the same time as the big apex tournament, it's to be expected.

>>3722204
True but I get the impression that most Holofans just don't care about Apex, Matsuri and Towa were the two Holo representatives and their Apex streams get absolutely dismal views

>>3722277
That's why she still manages to get almost 30k viewers, but the apex tournament draws alot of the casual viewers away who would otherwise tune in for lack of anything better online, which limits her potential reach.

nijisanji en debut today
numberfag halloween

>>3722129
lol the last tournament the apex chuubas got like 40k-60k but now they barely surpass 30k. Seems like now apexfags are starting to care more about actual good players instead of apex chuubas

>>3722277
That's because they're both average players being carried by a predator, it's more interesting to watch a team like Shibuya's where players are more balanced

>>3722498
Anon, right now its cr cup, not shibaharu cup.

>>3724801
so what? the main channel was having constantly over 120k viewers and some pro players were over 30k easily, people just want to see proper players now no wannabes

>>3670106
>y’all
Your opinion is discarded, nigger.

>>3670106
3k live views and above = not a failure.
10k live viewers and above = great.
That’s how I simplify it.

Numbers?

>>3722056
Alright then, I'll get started on it. Any ideas about what info I should be scraping? I'm not much of a numberfag myself but figured this is a good time to brush up on my python.

>>3696936
Gura has been making a comeback as we’ve already been seeing, and this helps illustrate that. Also look at the difference between Gura and the other Holo EN members, especially Kiara.
>>3697256
Mori also had a big stream, but look at the giant difference. Easily explained because we already know that Gura’s numbers have been up in general, not just from one stream. Thereby explaining this giant gap.

>>3663773
braaaaap snooooooooort braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap snoooooooooooooooort braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap snooooooooooooooooooooooooooooort
brapfish more braps please

>>3711164
Yeah Ina is actually beating Mori by a little.
>>3697315
>Costume reveal
We already determined that it’s not the only part, because Gura’s viewers have been up in general (something we’ve been pointing out recently), and by contrast to the other holo EN streamers like Mori who also had one. So what happened? Probably her subs got interested again, whether or not she can maintain that is a different story. I think when she started adding variety (instead of just gaming streams) is when things began to pick up.

>>3728263
>Probably her subs got interested again, whether or not she can maintain that is a different story.
>immediately goes on break
what did she mean by this?

>>3666091
>subscriber to viewer percentage matters more
Retard take.
Would you rather have 100k subs and 100k views or 1 million subs and 100k views?

Looking over Gura’s streams (in pic), they are generally better than in the past when she was pulling like 15k average.
>>3728421
>what did she mean by this?
Success scares her, probably.

>>3722129
Pekora is always #2 in this thing.

>>3728421
she never wanted to be the most popular of her gen
It'll get worse when she reaches 3m before kizuna ai

>>3669261
People do, yes. But when twitch wants to recommend you a channel to watch? They recommend the highest viewer count on the assumption that since so many people are watching it and will continue to watch it, you will too. Same thing with categories of games. In essence you're both right, because viewer retention is actually the most important thing in terms of growth.
>>3670028
Actually not totally inaccurate, but 5-10 viewers is already the 1% of streaming on twitch.

>>3728817
Won't be long before she completely ignores chat to reduce her anxiety level

>>3696936
Pekora and Marine is so consistent, I wonder what they have that the other holos don't that makes them so consistent

Since we're so close to the NijiEN debuts, what are your predictions for peak viewers?

>>3729078
Her chat is the equivalent of an orc horde already, anon. It's like pissing in an ocean of piss. Gura already ignores chat because she can barely read what people post especially on the really active moments.

>>3730103
>NijiEN debuts, what are your predictions for peak viewers
20k

>>3730030
They have equally consistent entertainment value for the type of content that they provide.

>>3730103
15-20k

>>3728817
>>3729078
Gura has actually improved a lot recently. Compare her two last minecraft streams and it's like day and night. She took a break to visit her family

>>3714606
Nice cope you got there, guras number is buffed by the en collab, outfit reveal, and niohazard being popular in west

>>3731194
>
Literally reinforced his point, anon.

>>3731194
I think you are agreeing with him? Actually it started a bit before then too, seemingly when she started adding a little variety: >>3728632
My opinion is that people stopped watching when she did those 11 gaming streams in a row. Probably got boring.

dont show this to numbrains, they get their heads all steamy

>>3732438
N-nijibros I kneel.

Anything under 15k for NijiEN will mean they are dead on arrival. 30k is the reasonable number.

>>3732438
Fucking how? Are Nijis the only online entertainers in Japan or something?

>>3730103
currently checking the waiting rooms right now and none of them have 1k. Amesame podcast already has 2.5k waiting on it (more than all 3 Niji EN's combined). With such a short debut time and assuming youtube shenanigans, my conservative estimate will be 15k peak. BrapFish is gonna be a bit harder to predict since she either attracts the reddit crowd and/or rides the hype of her first two genmates which might get her 20k - 25k+ or she crashes and burns and doesn't even get to 10k. Also, Fairy has to open strong. If she fucks up her debut than Dragon and especially Fish are screwed.

>>3722129
Interesting that Kanae Channel's Apex tournament stream and his RE stream had about the same viewers. Is Apex not particularly a buff game for him?

>>3732846
They have 2-3x more people livers than Hololive and had market dominance in Japan for far longer than Hololive was relevant in the west.
That early dominance pretty much gave them all the lucrative sponsors/deals early on.

>>3732846
Hololive being a small indie company isn't a meme

>Ichikara (Nijisanji and others) procured 26.4mil in investment with an estimated market value of 94.6mil.

>Activ8 (Kizuna Ai and others) procured 17.2mil in investment with an estimated market value of 84.6mil.

>Cover (Hololive and others) procured 9mil in investment with an estimated market value of 29.3mil.

>>3732438
Nice bait, falseflagger

>>3732846
Despite what other anons here will tell you, the merch meme is actually real. If there's one thing as a holofag that I can praise ichikara for, its their ability to monetize their brand and makes tons money from it. It's like what my old man used to tell me, its better to sell a 100 things for a dollar than try to sell 1 thing for a 100 dollars.

>>3662471
>Can't even beat the tutorial boss FFS.

>>3666819
>Hololive's numbers aren't low, in fact, they seem to be average. I'm more surprised for Nijisanji, although I can mostly attribute that to low subs/high views which bumps the ratio compared to Holo's average views/high subs

There's also that there are so many nijis that nobody tries to sub to all of them. However, Hololive is much more interconnected, so you get a bunch of people who sub to all of them, but rarely actually watch.

>>3661159
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>>3733433
Cover hates money please andastn

>>3733605
JUST

>>3732438
>>3733254
This is all old info now though. Hell, the Holo 2nd Fes alone pulled in upwards of $30mil.

Do we have Cover's financials for this year (03/2020 - 03/2021)?

>>3672079
>I mean, ratio of Viewer to Subs is "fine" if you really want to push the narrative that Gura has dead subs

She really doesn't. She just plays a lot of shit games/bad streaming games. Look through her channel and you'll see she regularly manages to get videos with almost a million views.

>>3672514
>I thought she had slowed down

She has. That's the scary part.

>>3733433
>>3733645
It's seriously frustrating how bad Cover is at making merch. Most of it is 1 month order to make only and its of varied quality. Why isn't there a plush of every liver and their mascots? How are they not guaranteed to sell? Instead we get fucking acrylic stands and keychains.

>>3714606
>terraria and monhun
>debuff games
She has streams of those games that are almost at 1 mil views.

>>3733022
Apex was never much of a buff game for Kanae as it is for Kuzuha.
He has more viewers when he's doing something outside of his usual rotation, like playing random one-offs or horror games.

>>3734629
Based solely on live view performance, those streams filtered out zoomers. I remember the complaints on why her terraria was so small, or monhun sucked.
People do watch her VoDs because it's her and there were nice moments in them here and there.
I believe she has both live viewer group and the VoDs group separately though.

>>3734339
All of Hololive has slowed down but the Shark ain't stopping soon

is Vnuma still down?

>>3736188
https://vnuma.net/live/

>>3736219
thanks anon

>>3734528
Cover seems to be aiming towards making games for their revenue source instead of creating a manufacturing arm like Nijisanji did.

>>3734528
>Most of it is 1 month order to make only and its of varied quality
If you live outside of Japan every chuuba company has the same problem

>Why isn't there a plush of every liver and their mascots? How are they not guaranteed to sell?
Cause not every chuuba has the same quantity of gachikois anxious to buy their merch, you cant expect Pekora, Kuzuha or Patra´s merch to sell the same as their other coworkers.

>Instead we get fucking acrylic stands and keychains
Thats the rule for every vtuber company
https://files.catbox.moe/hvun7r.png

>>3736502
Tech (including games) companies have the potential to be insanely profitable but Cover hasn't really proven itself with its tech products yet. If they can pull it off with Hololive Alt, it definitely has potential.

>>3736863
It's the reason I think Cover is really nervous about it. Hololive Alt is basically the future of their company.

>>3727291
views per stream, average views, and superchat numbers mainly.

>>3662471

I wish them good luck

So here it is!! When Gura sustained 30k viewers for 5 hours during her RE Village stream on Monday I said there is no doubt that this stream would hit 1 million views by the end of the week. I was called out by a couple people saying I was an idiot and it wouldn't happen, no way, no how.

Pic very related.

>>3738246
Grudge them, faggot. Grudge them hard.

>>3738246
Based anon.

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF NIJISANJI

>>3754364

>>3737205
tell us more insiderchaama

>>3754364
>No views
kek

>>3754364

>>3754566
She didn't even get to debut, her debut was scuffed and she couldn't start the stream.

>>3754631
she stuck in The Fish Tank.

>>3754631
Technically, her debut is whenever she is able to stream.

>>3754949
OH NO NO NO NIJIBROS?!

>>3754949
Funny

>>3754949
Where did he base those nijinumbers? His ass?

>>3754949
He got Holotalk and Meme Review right at least. The Gura/Ame podcast ended up being one of the most kino streams ever and he undershot that number by a couple thousand (it ended up being around 27k). Then you have the obvious massive overshoot on the NijiEN debuts, like, WEW LAD.

>>3730030
Loyal fanbase.

>>3754949
Nijichads, not like this

>>3754364
>Mint has to split 50% of her pay to these idiots.

>>3755069
>>3755105
>>3755274
>>3755684
>>3755799

>>3754364
Pretty sad. Imagine abandoning your indie fanbase that helped you grow, giving control over your vtuber identity to a Japanese company, and then giving them a substantial cut of your earnings for this.

>>3730030
"Youtube bug"

People assert Gura probably has more if not the same volume of viewers Marine and Pekora does but because of the Youtube changes, apparently they don't count people who use Adblock or are away from their Location (which EN set as Japan).

Gura manages to get the more end of stream views than Marine or Pekora consistently

>>3696936
Koro-san...

>>3755883
At least the whole celebration stream was not bad, holding about 20k or something live viewers. Of course, to have a collab and need your senpais to prop your ass up when one of your mate hasn’t even gone yet is just kinda shit but better than being completely tossed aside and forgotten

>>3755913
Not everyone is as stubborn/lucky as Suisei. I doubt Niji would've let Suisei keep her char and I doubt current Cover would either.

>>3755934
Ogey

>>3755883
lmao nijisanji is so pathetic. How are they even surviving as a company?

>>3755883
And debut generally has the highest amount of views for most vtubers...

>>3755955
Is it because she changed the times that she usually streams? Thats what I saw people say.

>>3755788
ouch, not even 1/4 of Holo EN views...

>>3755913
The only agencies worth entering if youre a mid-tier indie ENvtuber are Hololive and VShojo. Only enter Niji if you're starting from scratch

>>3756008
Suisei is something that realistically cannot be replicated anymore with how much the scene has grown.

>>3755883
Dragonfags got too uppity. Fairychads had to put them in their place.

>>3755883
HoloEN is inclining thanks to costume reveal >>3696936
>gura from 16k avg to 30k avg.
It was stupid to compete with them this month, especially after all of that hype events. Should've debuted a month ago.

>>3756027
I'm a holofag all the way but the Niji numbers weren't bad especially when you consider they are launching an EN branch despite the fact that Niji has no name recognition in the west. Anybody expecting numbers rivaling HoloEN were just insane. HoloEN was such an immediate phenomenal success that even Cover didn't see it coming.

>>3756155
Ichikara´s overseas management is retard, nothing new

>>3756170
>Anybody expecting numbers rivaling HoloEN were just insane.
We must have alot of insane people around here consideirng how many people were expecting them to get 50-60k on their debuts.

>>3756102
I wouldn’t say that. Unlikely nowadays but not impossible. If anything, I think Subaru’s circumstances is whats impossible. Just applying without and prior knowledge or experience, although Mori is similar but she had a history as a Vocal-P. I think the most likely events will probably be Polka’s when it comes to Hololive.
I still hold on hope that Vsingers might include a certain pinky pop.

Finana Ryugu (fish girl) had 15k waiting for her debut, but her stream never started. She would’ve been the biggest Niji EN live stream, because she had more waiting than the other two did for watching.

>>3696936
>Miko is averaging 4.6k viewers on Twitch in addition to her 15k on youtube
That is fucking impressive as hell from Migo.

>>3756329
Noel would also never happen
>She was invited because someone used her email to apply

>>3756337
Youtube "bug" would cut that down by 50-70% or so when the stream actually started.

>>3756310
50-60k is impossible considering their sub counts doesn't even reach 30k

Before HoloEN debutted, most of the channels neared 100k in subscribers

>>3756337
lmao all those viewers came from Elira's stream

>>3755684
That was kino? i love ame and gura but they were awkward and nervous asf makes me fall asleep

>>3754949
>>3756408
The guy who posted the image, his literal train of thought was "people are just waiting for the debut to mass sub".

>>3756404
How does that matter? Your statement is meaningless, because all the streamers generally end up with more than the waiting viewers. My only point is she was in the most demand.

>>3756345
4.6k average viewers on twitch just for watchalongs is pretty good not gonna lie

>>3756008
Dude they cant come up with something more creative and fun than anime ghost maid. Lacking creativity in a creative field is a fucking problem

>>3756454
I loved it and it was amazingly set up by Ame. She knew Gura can be a nervous wreck sometimes so she set up that make up bit to keep her mind occupied as she warmed up to the stream. Then after that she had good but simple set ups to keep the conversation going and avoid dead air. They just shot the shit for 2 hours talking about whatever and it was fantastic.

>>3696936
Apex predator

>>3756593
Gura was pretty chill. It seemed more like Ame was nervous in the beginning. But it was her stream after all.

>>3756345
Now imagine how many twitch subscribers she gets and how many bits she gets on twitch. Combine that with her youtube super chats and youtube memberships. Miko is double dipping and is fucking making bank. No doubt she is one of the top earners in all of hololive with this strategy.

actually stream numbers

>>3756329
> Subaru’s circumstances
I know Subaru was a complete normie but at least she knew enough to not fuck up OBS in her debut
>>3756408
This. The most rational numberfags were basing estimates on pre-debut subs. 2x the existing subs was never going to happen

>>3754949
>>3755883
>>3754364
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc

>>3756795
Thats obviously not ground breaking numbers, but honestly if you can pull 3k+ viewers regularly, you'll be doing just fine as a streamer.
Loads of people make their livings and comfortably so, with 1/3 of that on twitch

>>3756101
No no no no

Holofaggots, how can we lose to Male VTubers

Nijichads, I kneel

>>3756987
>He thinks the post-debut streams are going to be even close to average
Can't wait to watch Gura's regular 60k average streams

>>3756987
Post debut streams don't reflect what your actual stream views will be in a month.
Don't forget they have to share a big chunk of that money with Ichikara.

>>3757202
Comparing normal stream to Special/Tournament stream

Is this how nijifags cope?

2 en with new program cant even beat pekora in her 2nd ff stream lmaoo

>>3758265
>#2
cope

>>3758392
>falling for the nijitrannies falseflaggers

>>3758392
>Nijisanji playing in a tourney has a better number than EN with special stream
Kek doesnt change that pekora beat them with normal stream

>>3757939
t. Holocope

Holoniggers will never be as successful as Nijichads.

We even gave you a head start in EN and you still lose.

Cope and seethe faggot

>>3758915
>>3755883
top kek

How does lamy do it?

>>3728817
I hope she eventually gets even more outgoing like recently and instead of shying away from large numbers, slowly accepts the top-dog position, GURA AS CHUUBA QUEEN FOR THE WIN!!!
I'm going for my meds after this post. I regret nothing.

OOOF

>>3759292
Morning programs are a buff in JP land

>>3759292
She actually has personality unlike nijinigers.

>>3758571
Nutsacki there you are

>>3736502
Considering their more global audience, that is probably a more effective way to monetize their business. Things that can be purchased digitally.

>>3758265
jop nijiggers are coping because their best boy and his bf reclined.

>>3754364
>those views

>>3664089
Shut up, APEXfag

>>3665914
with me

>>3671849
>HoloJP gets a proper auto-translation tool
Just learn Japanese, you weeaboos. It's not that hard.

>>3671849
>comes into numbers thread
>complains about numbers


Oh my anon, look at the time! Its time for your meds!

>>3755788
>Kiara's debut had more views than Mori and Ame

What a world. Also jesas, the power of cunny was strong right from the start wasn't it.

>>3735591
She used to do 14k a day consistently for months after her debut. Now she's at about half that.

>>3762669
Isn't it the CR cup popularity that reclined instead? I've seen way less people interested in it this time around. What seems to be more popular is the vtuber tournament organized by Shibuya

>>3736834
>If you live outside of Japan every chuuba company has the same problem

Every youtuber with over 100k subs has their own merch. Its ridiculous that every single holo doesn't have her own shirt design at the very least.

>>3756520
>all the streamers generally end up with more than the waiting viewers

Those all came from the previous debut though. Its more likely that those were the entirety of the NijiEN audience that came to see all three debuts..

>>3763719
Notice he didn't say that Gura didn't recline, but that she hasn't flatlined her growth to the same level of her peers.

>>3763735
Watching someone play Apex for hours is suffering desu.

>>3756008
That's a funny comparison considering that she used to barely get any viewers even after she joined Hololive (not until she got new costume and officially became a Hololive member)

>>3763735
To be fair, even with different team comps the CR cup always has the same people participating anyway
Hal's vtuber tourney allows for more variety in participants which makes it more fun to watch even if the average skill level is much lower

>>3763778
The difference is the location, anon. Japan is so anal about "locally" sourcing their shit, that they will bog themselves down and everyone with them. These companies aren't Sony sized so they don't really care until they realize how retarded they are for choosing to not make money by having shit logistics.

>>3758915
wait for the Pekora Rushia minecraft collab in an hour nijikek. You're done for.

>>3728632
>178566 max viewers
She hit confirmed 194k, tell them to get their numbers straight

Pekocraft is too powerful, good god

Pekora.. I kneel

Pekora, I kneel

66k
Pekora-sama

>>3762669
That’s normal, KcK just has a huge buff

OOH WEE THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO LOOK REAL GOOD TONIGHT

Don't worry, Pekora is always #2, someone will beat her before the day ends.

>>3768181
She always is on days that has major vtuber events/collabs that happen on said dates.
Are there some today? A certain EN debut perhaps? A certain podcast?

>>3661943
gura still on top looool

>>3663627
anon, i...
cash is what fucking matters, numbers are just for us to jack off and feel superior that fav vtuber is doing better than others

>>3662471

I still want everyone to do good and dont want to doompost on any of them

>>3768181
60k is too hard to surpass. Even in Hololive that number still hard to get.

>>3768181
>Pekora is always #2
pretty sure its far from "always"

This is why Pekora being too arrogant. People have to beg her for collab. It been a long time i see that number on Rushia channel.

>>3768798
They are doing good, there's no point in comparing them to holo numbers. They already have more subs than 10/16 of ID and all the KRs except Bora and Yuya

>>3768930
she was close to those views 11 days ago
only like 5 k views less. btw that video 5k less views had about 10x the amount of SC hell almost all of Rushias videos have 10x the amount of SC

Who do yall think has the most membership in HoloEN?

i think its
Gura>Ina>Ame>Kiara>Mori

>>3768181
Yes, Pekora beat Pekora

>>3769227
Gura>Ame>Mori>Ina>Kiara

>>3768930
Pekora runs Hololive. She can make or break people. It was thanks to her that ID became relevant due to becoming obsessed with Moona. Everyone bows to Pekora.

>>3769227
>>3769310
if member activity is anything to go by, then it's

Gura > Ina > Mori > Ame > Kiara

>>3768181
Chumbuds coping hard

Do we have any numbers on clipfags?
like which chubba gets the most clips, and whose clips get the most views?
how many clip channel that are focused / solely dedicated to one tuber are there and how many subs do they have?
Which Vtuber has the most viewd clip?

>>3770727
I remember someone here posted something like that before, but I can only remember Gura's stats

1st for Chinese clips
4th for English clips
21st for JP clips

>>3768930
t. clipwatcher

>>3769310
Actually Ina is second in both membership and live viewers. Not sure why people put Ame so high, when she actually isn’t. In fact, next after them was Mori.

>>3770820
Is it Gura>Ina>Mori>Ame>Kiara? If it's just SCs alone this will be a different order

>>3770820
I disagree, ame can usually match or have higher viewer than ina if her stream time is right.

>>3770710
Why would they when their oshimen set the VTuber live viewer record and her videos have high viewership anyway?

>>3771323
Anyone can watch an outfit reveal

>>3771121
But the question was about membership.

>>3770770
Those clip data were taken from holodex. Not sure how to do so myself

>>3771358
And yet, Gura's the one setting them... significantly higher than her peers on her own.

>>3771358
And yet they decided to watch Gura's instead of everyone elses

I wonder why

>>3771248
>I disagree, ame can usually match or have higher viewer than ina if her stream time is right

>>3771529
Ina didn't do SC reading which usually have lower average viewers.
Meanwhile, Kiara main content is SC reading.

>>3771529
Amelia does super long superchat readings and constantly resets her views by pretending to end the stream then start playing again. All of Ina's streams are content and never does SC's since she doesn't likes it, which means she doesn't gets her numbers lowered by SC readings.
Again this is all kind of speculation but really just remove the SC readings from the equation and you'll find Ame's true power level.

>>3771723
>Ina didn't do SC reading which usually have lower average viewers.
That’s wasn’t the question. It was who had the 2nd most memberships and live viewers after Gura, and the answer is Ina. How people try to explain it away is a different matter.

>>3771723
Which is why KFP is a cult and her SC numbers are very high despite lower views, while takos watch more Ina but donate very little. The Ying and the Yang. The Tick and the Tock...

Gura and Ina make a lot of money from memberships, and have very active (and chatting) viewer bases that are more likely to want membership participation.

>>3771810
Vnuma rank based on peak viewership, so I guess they using average peak viewership. SC reading with low peak viewership will pull the average down.
There are no concrete information about membership number tho.
>>3771834
>The Tick and the Tock...
my sides

>>3771810
Some 5ch autist did this member research before, and this is the result i believe >>3769310.

here's today's numbers

>>3771920
>SC reading with low peak viewership will pull the average down
Explanations for this sort of thing become meaningless, because everyone can put forth almost any explanation for the difference. Like saying that Ina would do better if she did fewer drawing streams, because they find them boring. I’m not going to account for that or anything else.
>There are no concrete information about membership number
That’s what I said in the older numberfag threads, but we got a good estimate before. It’s not perfect but it helped. Gura seemingly has a crazy amount of memberships, then I was surprised by Ina being 2nd. But the more I look at her decent live viewers, the more it made sense.

>>3771990
It helps that Gura and Ame lock their best content behind membership.
Mori does a variety of members only streams for different tiers.
Ina does zatsudan, movie watch alongs and unarchived karaoke.
Kiara does zatsudan and movie watch alongs though it's only 0-2 members only streams a month.

>>3772004
Pekoras pull is insane. The difference between both Rushia streams makes the top 10/12 on most days

>>3773403
The fact that Peko rarely collabs makes any collab with her a rare event.

>>3772004
HAIL MOCHI

>>3772004
>Pekora is three times in the top 5.
The rabbit is too powerful.

>>3772004
Nice try Nijitrash. But Pekora can do TWO TIMES more than you

>>3672947
you will never be japanese