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>> No.37434804

>>37434766
I fucking knew it. All you have is shit from 2 years ago.

>>37434776
Don't care.

>> No.37434810
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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>> No.37434809

bots

>> No.37434843
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>>37434783
Recent clip numbers
>>37378218
>>37378261
>>37378286
>>37378311
>>37378345

>> No.37434848

>>37434763
JP 7 is more plausible come out first rather than EN 3

>> No.37434852

>subs
Well that's ID meta now as Kobo is about to pass Ame

>> No.37434854
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Assuming 80k, good enough for gold?

>> No.37434870

>>37434804
Anon, that's just pathetic.
"Oh, anything I don't like doesn't matter".
It's fine to acknowledge Myth is far from its glory days, I think everyone reasonable would accept that as a fact. You can't pretend things that do well don't exist though, unless you're fine with just admitting you don't care about facts and just want to shitpost about EN.

>> No.37434877
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* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY *
>55,196: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>44,763: Miko (Hololive)
>33,958: Met (774 inc)
>29,925: Pekora (Hololive)
>28,971: Korone (Hololive)
>27,432: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>22,255: Lize (Nijisanji)
>22,250: Subaru (Hololive)
>21,699: Flare (Hololive)
>21,431: Fubuki (Hololive)
>20,812: Salome (Nijisanji)
>20,373: Fubuki (Hololive)
>19,432: Subaru (Hololive)
>17,678: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>15,032: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>13,323: Hayato (Nijisanji)
>13,134: Aqua (Hololive)
>12,922: Salome (Nijisanji)
>12,655: Ange (Nijisanji)
>12,329: NeruMero (Indie)
>12,299: Hoshikawa (Nijisanji)
>12,052: Luca (Nijisanji)
>11,893: Nose (VSPO)
>11,571: Botan (Hololive)
>10,784: Yamagami Karuta (Nijisanji)
>10,538: Chloe (Hololive)
>10,433: Chloe (Hololive)
>10,121: Furen (Nijisanji)
>10,097: Ito Life (Indie)

>> No.37434879

>>37434854
You think 80k can beat a Shuba 3d live? 100k to even have a chance.

>> No.37434884

>>37434854
>imply subaru cant hit 80k

>> No.37434900

>>37434854
>Thinking Niji has a chance today when Subaru has her 3d
Come the fuck on now.

>> No.37434909
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>>37434877
>NOVEMBER 2022 GOLDS
1) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,480 - Minecraft sports fes prep
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 53,106 - Resident Evil 6 w/Marine
3) Marine (Hololive) - 167,199 - 3rd anniversary 3D live
4) Suisei (Hololive) - 156,380* - 3D announcement live
5) Suisei (Hololive) - 39,554 - Zatsudan
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 134,642 - Fate/Grand Order gacha
7) Mio (Hololive) - 59,265 - Post sports fes totsumachi
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 67,639 - Trial stream
9) Yashiro (Nijisanji) - 44,737 - Yu-Gi-Oh lesson w/Orihimeboshi
10) Miko (Hololive) - 43,789 - Surgeon Simulator 2 w/Suisei
11) Flare (Hololive) - 39,662 - Shiraken accessory reveal & presentation meeting
12) Pekora (Hololive) - 38,770 - Fate/Grand Order
13) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 41,078 - Fashion collab shilling w/Shiina, Ririmu & Fuwa
14) Lamy (Hololive) - 60,779 - NePoLaBo offcollab
15) Lamy (Hololive) - 87,608 - 3D birthday drinking party
16) Subaru (Hololive) - 53,405 - MioMikoSuba consultation office
17) Subaru (Hololive) - 47,065 - Sleepover w/Noel
18) Koyori (Hololive) - 41,567* - Mario Party w/Chloe, Marine & Korone
19) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 55,196 - Yu-Gi-Oh Master Duel tournament day 1

>PER COMPANY
16x: Hololive
3x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
5x: Pekora
2x: Lamy, Subaru, Suisei
1x: Flare, Koyori, Kuzuha, Marine, Miko, Mio, Nijisanji, Yashiro

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
211x: Hololive
99x: Nijisanji
6x: Indie, Neo Porte
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
50x: Pekora
21x: Miko
18x: Kuzuha
17x: Aqua
16x: Salome
15x: Nijisanji, Subaru
10x: Marine
7x: Suisei
6x: Hal, Hololive, Kanata, Mio, Toya
5x: Flare, Fuwa, Gura
4x: Koyori, Noel, Okayu, Polka, Towa
3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Korone, Mayuzumi, Mel
2x: Ange, Botan, Fubuki, Ibrahim, Lamy, Lui, Maimoto, Mito, Mori, Mysta, Nene, Nerumero, Shion, Sora, Tsukasa, Vox, Yashiro
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Furen, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Moona, Nagao, Naruse, Natsume, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Ui, Watame, Yorumi, Zeta

>> No.37434911

>>37434854
80k? it's already platueing. more like 60-70k at the final game

>> No.37434916

>>37434884
>>37434879
Subaru will be lucky to hit 80k. She gets good day to day numbers but her place in the box is small.

>> No.37434943
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>>37434909
>2022 SILVERS
>PER COMPANY
204x: Hololive
103x: Nijisanji
6x: VSPO
5x: Indie
4x: Neo Porte
1x: PRISM Project

>PER STREAMER
49x: Pekora
29x: Miko
28x: Kuzuha
20x: Marine
14x: Subaru
11x: Salome, Suisei
10x: Gura, Nijisanji
7x: Hololive
6x: Botan, Fuwa, Korone, Toya
5x: Fubuki
4x: Aqua, Koyori, Lize
3x: Flare, Hal, Lui
2x: Haachama, Kanae, Kanata, Lamy, Leos, Luna, Maimoto, Mayuzumi, Noel, Shiina, Tsukasa, Tsuna, Watame
1x: Akina, Akira, Alban, Amelia, Aster, AZKi, Beni, Choco, Chronoir, Debi, Ema, Gaku, Gatchman, Genzuki, Hayato, Hinano, Hololive Indonesia, Hoshikawa, Iofi, Ina, Iroha, Kaela, Kanae, Karuta, Kiara, Kronii, Laplus, Lauren, Levi, Matsuri, Mio, Mito, Moona, Nari, Nene, Nerumero, Okayu, Oliver, Ponpoko, Ramune, Ren, Rion, Ririmu, Risu, Ritsuki, Roboco, ROF-MAO, Rushia, Sara Nagare, Shion, Suzuya Aki, Toko, Towa, Uki, Vox, Warabeda, Yashiro, Yui

>2022 BRONZES
>PER COMPANY
209x: Hololive
97x: Nijisanji
5x: Indie, Neo Porte
2x: 774 Inc., Noripro
1x: Holostars, VSPO

>PER STREAMER
33x: Miko, Subaru
32x: Pekora
26x: Kuzuha
16x: Marine
12x: Salome
10x: Gura
9x: Nijisanji
7x: Toya
6x: Koyori
5x: Okayu
4x: Aqua, Botan, Chloe, Hal, Korone, Lamy, Mori, Suisei
3x: Amelia, Choco, Fubuki, Hayato, Iroha, Rushia, Sasaki, Shion
2x: Ayame, Fuwa, Gwelu, Hololive, Kanata, Kiara, Kobo, Lize, Lui, Mio, Mito, Mumei, Mysta, Nijisanji English, Nui, Shiina, Tamaki, Towa, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi
1x: Aia, Aki, AZKi, Dola, Gatchman, Haachama, Ibrahim, Ike, Kaida, Kanae, Kazaki, Kyoko, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Magni, Maimoto, Mayuzumi, Mel, Met, Minase, Nerumero, Noel, Patra, Petra, Polka, Ponpoko, Ponto, Rikiichi, Rosemi, Ryushen, Sora, Sumire, Tsukasa, Ui, Voltaction

>> No.37434954

>>37434916
take a deep breath sis, you can grab the rope now

>> No.37434959

what a low effort bait

>> No.37434960

>>37434854
I’d laugh if it gets hit with a 50k Z.
Remember the times that Niji won with a Z? A lot of them, maybe we should take those away too. I now also realized the konkon kitsune tally schizo was right all along…

>> No.37434972
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>>37434943
list of the dead/dying indies/small corpos

>RyeProject https://twitter.com/RyeProject
>Fen Riru https://twitter.com/fenriruvt
>Sylvia Sorano https://twitter.com/sylviasorano
>Castella Inomori https://twitter.com/CastellaInomori
>Melonbread https://twitter.com/melonbread_69
>Raina Chiwawa https://twitter.com/RaniaChiwawa
>Usami https://twitter.com/usami_vt
>Aozora Kurumi https://twitter.com/AozoraKurumi **
>Sayu Okami https://twitter.com/SayuOkami
>Selkie https://twitter.com/SelkieVT
>LexParteVT https://twitter.com/LexParteVT
>AisRiale https://twitter.com/AisRiale
>Chaos https://twitter.com/lordcommandervt
>MoonJelly https://twitter.com/moonjelly0
>Juliet Winters https://twitter.com/juiietwinters
>Suika Emi https://twitter.com/suikaemi
>Etherna Celine https://twitter.com/ethernaceline
>Etherna Helen https://twitter.com/EthernaHelen
>Makoto & Akira Misaki https://twitter.com/ggnlive_withyou
>Peari Morino https://twitter.com/MorinoPeari
>Orla Gan Ceann https://twitter.com/orlaganceann

places to end up for these girls include
>NijisanjiEN wave 7 if dual wave with Iluna exists
>HoloEN3 which has been running 'open auds' all year so far
>Tsunderia auditions entered "second stage" on Aug 27th low likelihood for some of these girls now

** RRAT: Aozora Kurumi is reincarnating into Indie vtuber Auregalia Aruri

>> No.37434974

>setting up a grudge post

>> No.37434988

I would be absolutely shocked if Subaru can't hit 90k. She has guests, right?

>> No.37434991

>>37434854
I doubt it will even beat Susei…

>> No.37434996
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About subs: whatever change happened affected the whole field, EN and JP, Holo and Niji
>pic related
In the first 20 days of November only nine (9) channels tracked by vrabi picked 15k or more subs.
(With Selen being the only EN)

>> No.37435012

>>37434870
>"Oh, anything I don't like doesn't matter".
I never said that. I said I don't care.
>You can't pretend things that do well don't exist though
Never did that.
Piss off, ENshit.

>> No.37435024

>>37434996
No wonder ame and mumei are leeching selen.
Good choice.

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>> No.37435033

Will collabing with JPs even help Mori and Kronii at this point?

>> No.37435037

>>37434988
Gura and Kiara

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>>37435027

>> No.37435062

>>37435033
Nope. Collabing one time with JP won't unfuck their next stream

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>> No.37435072

>>37435037
Does Gura have any connection to Subaru? I figured it'd be Kiara from EN though.

>> No.37435088

>>37435033
Mori: yes. “Kari Chan kakkoii” after all.
Kronii: kek, can she even speak Japanese?

>> No.37435098

>>37435033
The only one who can save them is gura. They need to be in gura box.

>> No.37435118

>>37435072
Subaru gets inspired by gura.

>> No.37435141

>>37435072
Nope. There's no way she can reach 100k without Gura.

>> No.37435152

>>37435012
Fuck off, I'm a Holo-unity fag, don't lump me in with those coping half-wits that don't see the severe problems the EN branch is under right now.
Also, if you really didn't care you would've just ignored it since you know they were just throwing it out there like a man clings to a life preserver when they're drowning.

>> No.37435182

>>37435098
DESU I don't know if Gura is an easy person to get back in with if you fuck things up with her. I don't know how things are behind the scenes but in the front it doesn't look like Gura has any love left for Mori.

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>>37435118
>Subaru gets inspired by Gu-
** BLOCKS YOUR PATH **
>pic related
The TRUE Subaru inspiration

>> No.37435188

>>37435033
That collab with Polka got numbers, didn’t it? I didn’t even know Kronii could get 5view ccv’s like that anymore. The issue is that it’s like improving anything else in life: it has to be a long term change in habits and perspective. Just doing stuff because it gets views isn’t enough if preferences change and you were just coasting along by copying the meta, which is how they got into this problem in the first place.
If this kind of stuff is part of a larger realization of how they screwed up, then there’s a chance. If it’s just a slapdash effort to stem the bleeding because they happen to know that kind of content gets views, I don’t think it’ll work out over the long run.

>> No.37435195

>>37435072
Subaru was one of the few Holomem who even mentioned anything about Gura's 3D live in the fall (she cancelled her usual Friday (NA time) stream to watch it, but got the date wrong because timezones)

>> No.37435218
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>>37434884
The power of funnel

>> No.37435232

>>37435182
I still don't get why Mori did that shit with having a party in the place Gura was staying at. She couldn't even tell her sister to fuck off.

>> No.37435247

>>37435195
Didn't the HoloX girls have some kind of watch along? I remember seeing clips of them cheering for her and talking about how cute she was.

>> No.37435252

RRATS STAY WINNING
KEKS DIE WEEPING

>> No.37435266

>>37434988
when they were first building for the sportsfest it was implied subaru, towa, lui and pekora were together before the stream i dont know if they recorded anything for subaru's birthday

>> No.37435272

>>37435247
that was holofes

>> No.37435281

>>37435152
>I'm a Holo-unity fag
Oh yeah of course you are. You just hate anyone that only watches the original real hololive.
>Also, if you really didn't care you would've just ignored it
Complete bullshit kafkatrap. Not replying means I care deeply but ignore it because it's "incovenient for the narrative" and replying to it means I care about it. Suck my dick.

>> No.37435290

Subaru show up to the Sausage Totsu, someone is building a funnel for you...

>> No.37435293

>>37435188
It doesn't actually help her numbers though. after that polka collab she had one of her worst solo gaming streams ever. She can't have every single stream of hers be JP collabs so she has to find something that lets her retain an audience

>> No.37435295

>>37435012
Anon, I was half-convinced that the one you were responding to was nta, and based on that anon’s reply, it seems that I’m right. I know this is /#/, which means nobody gives a shit about logic, people shit up the thread, and dismissing other anons’ arguments is de rigeur. But you’re only supposed to do that with the anons who are shitting up the thread, or else YOU become one of the anons shitting up the thread too.
And one of the key parts in knowing when to dismiss an anon’s arguments is knowing how to tell the difference.
>I don’t care
Yes, I know you don’t. I’m posting this so other anons can see what a retard you are.

>> No.37435303

>>37435272
Oh right, she's one of the few that even talked about it. I remember a couple of others but yea I think she's one of the few that bothered to let anyone know it was happening.

>> No.37435306

>>37435290
the real funnel is the suisei 3d variety live

>> No.37435313

>>37435232
well at least she herself aware that she's a shitty friend, kek (it was clearly referring to Kiara, but still pretty topical)

>> No.37435331

>>37435306
It is a 3 hour long funnel train

>> No.37435333

>>37435247
It was holofes but Gura was the only one they had any real reaction to so it's easy to think they were just watching Gura's live.

>> No.37435352

>>37435182
The sad thing for Mori is that sister party shit is a real IRL fuck up. You don't simply come back from something like that. It's not like some fuck up in game or in a discord

>> No.37435362

>>37435293
Exactly. It’s a short term solution that doesn’t do anything if it can’t be leveraged. I think more JP collabs do help, but they probably only help in the long run. In other words, I hope Kronii and Mori are willing to strap in for low ccv’s for awhile, because it’ll take longer to fix that than just benefitting from the initial debut hype.

>> No.37435371
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>Mori could look like **this**

>> No.37435407

What the fuck is this bullshit about muh JP collabs helping?
Why do you treat JP like some gods who can fix anything when they're supposed to be inferior to EN?

>> No.37435423

>>37435352
if you after 2 years and milions of dollars cannot tell off your expired roastie sister and her friends you don't deserve any pity

>> No.37435427

>>37434996
Salome doko?

>> No.37435428

>>37435407
wut

>> No.37435429

>>37435293
It will always be harder to replace those lost viewers than to retain them. She will need to grit her teeth and actually go all in if she really want to incline again.

Which is why people like Ame, Mori, and Kronii who debuted to a massive following but then openly try to filter their audiences really pisses me off.
Even more for Mori because the retard is clearly a closet numberfag, while Kronii is just a pure retard.

>> No.37435431

>>37435407
The Japs should serve their White Masters

>> No.37435433

>>37435371
if she eat rice enough

>> No.37435445

>>37435428
>Will collabing with JPs even help Mori and Kronii at this point?

>> No.37435473

>>37435431
>mori
>white
>kronii
>white

>> No.37435481

are we already larping

>> No.37435488

>>37435033
only if they do it often

>> No.37435493

>>37435333
Why lie?

>> No.37435494

>>37435232
She wasn't aware that her sister was going to pull that nonsense, but she also doesn't have enough of a spine to tell her sister and her sister's friends to fuck off. Mori had NO idea they were going to host a party. Still bad, but for a different reason.
>>37435281
Ah fuck off you shitposting jpkek. You can watch just Jp Holo and ignore EN like most of the people that are actually JP holo fans. I've got friends who are exactly like that, but you're just the exact same as the Nijikeks everyone laughs at and shits on, only skinned in the colors of Hololive.

>> No.37435510

>>37435252
HoloKR soon

>> No.37435520

Goddamn is Yu-Gi-Oh that boring?

>> No.37435526

>>37435218
3D collab funneling to 3D LIVE! Absolutely illegal funnel!

>> No.37435531

>>37435520
yes

>> No.37435533

>>37435333
Oh god, the implications. The one girl they gave a shit about is also the one who has some of the worst problems socializing and the least knowledge of Japanese?
This is starting to look more and more like those case studies of failing companies, or at least, expansion attempts. These things only get reversed when the entire company culture changes. That means fixing issues with both the management and the talents and getting them to think of themselves the way JP does—as performers whose streams feed into a wider ecosystem that builds up the brands, and also that nothing they do can fix their CCV’s in the short term.
And so many of Myth look like they’re completely done. If Kiara is the last one standing from that gen, I wouldn’t be surprised. And she’d deserve it, too.

>> No.37435551

>>37435494
>you shitposting jpkek
Do you even know why I'm "shitposting"? Because you schizos shit on JP for an entire year and called EN the "real main branch".

>> No.37435578

>>37435533
Do you just believe anything you read? It can’t be that easy.

>> No.37435607

>>37435520
It's fun to play back in the days (at least up until synchro).
Too retarded to both play and watch nowadays due to overly-convoluted effects explanation texts

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>>37435293
>>37435429
>replace lost viewers
I talked about this thing that is common sense in business: Customer Retention Marketing vs. Customer Acquisition Marketing
>Acquiring a new customer can cost five times more than retaining an existing customer
This applies to the “economy of attention” as well.

For Holos, even more so because they debut with a MASSIVE “pre acquired” base of viewers that, for one reason or another, gets attached to a chuuba before even the first stream or tweet, just by affinity with the model.
If it is harder to get a new “customer” than its to keep one satisfied, for Holos losing one that they got on debit is almost irreplaceable.
Losing many and trying for a whole new base is almost suicidal.

>> No.37435620

>>37435520
The problem is the main online game for yugioh is an entire year behind the physical card game. Cause konami are a bunch of jews that are afraid the game will kill sales

So if you actually are interested in yugioh there's 0 reason to watch this because they're playing the same shit you played an entire year ago. It's only people that care about watching the nijis specifically that are watching

>> No.37435638

>>37435407
These are different anons, I think. I have no idea what these last samurai fuckers think, but most anons who think JP collabs will help begin (keyword: begin) to fix the problem also think EN’s a trainwreck and absolutely inferior to JP (and probably also ID; I certainly think so)
>ID’s numbers
They mog ID fleshtubers. It’s not like the place is Japan or America where everyone has the luxury of sitting on their ass and watching streams. Cover didn’t pick the place before they picked the west because Indonesia’s richer. They did it to enter the market early, and it’s worked.

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>>37435510

>> No.37435672

>>37435638
>These are different anons, I think.
They're not. It's the very same people who think collabing with JP fixes think that also claim JP collabing with EN means the JP is "kneeling".

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Sony's Project Vee's adoption Kohaku is hosting and APEX cup and some ENs from both holopro and niji are joining. Vesper should have been on rpr's team but he has been replaced by Altare based on Axel's sched.

Holopro:
Axel
Altare
Ollie (ID)

Nijis:
Selen
Bon (ID)
Kanato (JP (Voltaction))
Ren
Aster
Maria

https://twitter.com/Syusetu_kohaku/status/1594254356324704256

>> No.37435697

>>37435673
Why is rpr joining lol? He'd decimate that lobby

>> No.37435702

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq2ZyFkQhZQ
>Moved it to a burger friendly timeslot
Literally what's the point? Will this improve her peak at all?

>> No.37435704

>>37435445
No it won't. She fell too hard just like Matuli. The rrats will always persevere.
Only if her music explodes and convert the listeners to fans since gaming isn't her forte.

Or hope she can find some flesh streamer like mousey did to stream with since it will be more normalfag friendly.

>> No.37435709

>>37435673
>shit players the gathering

>> No.37435717

>>37435697
to collab with towa

>> No.37435721

>>37435673
all are shitters. selen will probably have the highest pov

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Pathetic numbers. A Luxiem celebration karaoke or game show could beat this. And people laughed when I said NijiEN was bigger than NijiJP now.

>> No.37435771

>>37435613
They need to work on growing hololive as whole and get the trickledown viewers from that. Unless that happens this is their new normal. Actually they might lose more. A filtering event leads to a bleedout for months.

>> No.37435774

>>37435638
>also think EN’s a trainwreck
Is there anyone right now disagreeing with that? From EN fans to JP fans to unity to haters, is there anyone thinking EN is in a good place now and not a trainwreck?
Even discounting StarsEN and their effect on the scene, the state of the EN branch is lamentable for a while now.
When you include StarsEN and the effect it had on the Holo side of the branch, EN certainly isn’t in a good place.

>> No.37435777

>>37435702
Most likely, most of her fans are in US and SEA after all based on the way she talks

>> No.37435781

>>37435702
This isnt a pre-recoded skit? Does she think she have the improv skills to pull that off?

>> No.37435782

>>37435673
>Selen with bonbon again
I'd post the image but I don't have it saved

>> No.37435791

>>37435697
He's close to kohaku, most likely joined to help out with the viewership. Another close friend is dtto,who is also signed with scarz as a streamer, is also a leader and proof that 774 is a garbage company.

>> No.37435797

>>37435721
Speaking of Selen predictions for tomorrow’s collab?

>> No.37435815

>>37435721
Selen isn't even the third best player there.

>> No.37435820

>>37435774
Gura broke the merch records so EN is still on top, baby!

>> No.37435833

>>37435673
>some ENs from both holopro
If there are no girls from EN you can use “Holostars”. There is no shame in that

>> No.37435834

>>37435673
Bruh why is there a full ILUNA team

>> No.37435838

>>37435704
>flesh streamers
If Mori was in any corpo other than HoloEN, maybe. But to call this a high risk strategy would be underselling it. The exact dynamics that make JP collabs helpful also make this a terrible idea. The impression that HoloEN isn’t really that different from any other EN corpo and doesn’t feel like HoloJP is part of the issue. This would have to be a sign that Mori’s doing a Hail Mary to avert some kind of implosion if it happened (again).

>> No.37435841

>>37435704
>The rrats will always persevere
Anon the thing with Mori is she's not a walking rrats like Matuli, everything about her could be confirmed one way or another because she's very open in both her rm and in "Mori". Which is a double edged sword because then she basically doesn't have that "schrodinger facts" passive effect like other holos.

I don't think being a cocksleeve for fleshy like Mousey gonna works either because that will just get her more and more out of the Holobox, which is practically a career suicide.

>> No.37435845

>>37435717
Rpr collabing with a male? YABE

>> No.37435858

>>37435736
only luxiem not the rest of nijien

>> No.37435886

>>37435673
Wheres Aqua?

>> No.37435909

>>37435886
>Aqua
>Playing non Pokémon or sponsored games

>> No.37435916

>>37435613
Kek is that why gen 5 had to be spoonfed so much help after Myth mogged them and took away the pre-acquired base of viewers?

>> No.37435942

>>37435916
>gen 5 had to be spoonfed so much help after Myth mogged them
Forget gen 5, it was JP as a whole. That mogging was the whole reason Cover permanently crippled EN.

>> No.37435956

>>37435820
I…think you’re being sarcastic? This brings me back to the thread a few days ago when I said we should start pretending like Gura’s an indie who sometimes collabs with a few council members instead of HoloEN with how much of a box her viewers are.
I mean, I was being sarcastic too. I was just surprised that not all of the responses I get were telling me to kms.
…This might be another obstacle for if HoloEN wants to fix itself. Gura doesn’t give a shit. The fact that she doesn’t even acknowledge Tempus’ existence is making me think she’s actively trying to dissociate herself from the HoloEN brand as much as possible.

>> No.37435980

Bets?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ8GXXXG0Kg

>> No.37435988

>>37435942
And they're still doing it too, see them suspending Vesper because Tempus is mogging StarsJP. Nip companies will never change.

>> No.37435997

>>37435956
Gura wouldn't work hard if she doesn't care.

>> No.37436007

>>37435980
20k

>> No.37436016

>>37435182
Definitely. Gura has basically dropped ame, Mori and mumei.

>> No.37436027

>>37435774
yeah having a smaller roster than ID while having to cover at least 3 different primetime isn't that easy, considering that cover doesn't give a fuck about EN, they just use it to fatten the total sub count on sales pitch.

>> No.37436028

>>37435956
Honestly I think it's Mori and her group trying to leave the HoloEN brand. Gura seems to be the only Myth member clinging to it. Suddenly everyone else is trying a completely different direction and she's the only one staying on the path that made her successful.

>> No.37436034

>>37435956
>The fact that she doesn’t even acknowledge Tempus’ existence is making me think she’s actively trying to dissociate herself from the HoloEN brand as much as possible.
And she would be right to honestly, holos live on the brand image, both personal and group one and her group is fucked beyond reason

>> No.37436039
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Big numbers

>> No.37436044

>>37435980
39k

>> No.37436046

>>37435841
> she basically doesn't have that "schrodinger facts" passive effect like other holos
Well, she does have a little bit of it, in that no one here watches streams—or, to put it in a less shitpost-y way, no one watches everyone’s streams to the extent that they can personally confirm everything themselves. So Mori does have that tiny bit of help.
Even so, the things people say about here are so much more consistent and so much more frequent (and are backed up by links so much more often) that I think anyone who visits here other than to take screenshots slowly starts to realize that it’s mostly true, and she really is that bad.

>> No.37436065

>>37436027
Smaller roster than ID?

>> No.37436068

>>37435815
Yeah, but she's like the most recognisable in this sea of whos

>> No.37436078

>>37436039
ID....

>> No.37436083

>>37435980
>overlapped
>disowned by peko
She'd be lucky to get on a tally

>> No.37436089

>>37436065
active yes, 8 talents.

>> No.37436099

>>37436083
It's already on the tally tho?

>> No.37436114

Noel you can’t just openly talk about the funnel.

>> No.37436113

>>37435551
Anon, you're not even talking to the same idiots that do that. This is why people treat you idiots like the schizos you are. If you can't tell the difference between someone who genuinely cares for Hololive as a whole vs some idiot shitposting ENfags, then no fucking wonder the fanbase is a goddamn mess.

>> No.37436128

>>37436089
That doesn't make sense, it's not like ID doesn't take breaks.

>> No.37436161

>>37436039
that's a good sign
kinda rare one too during NNN

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>>37435704
>>37435838
>>37435841
>Or hope she can find some flesh streamer like mousey
WTF, did people think Ironmouse derive any benefit from her arrangement with Connor and not the other way around?

Connor pulled a “Shoto” there, he inclined his brand (outside of TT) sky high and acquired a huge audience out of his “relationship” with her, going all the way to use her disease to do that bike challenge fundraiser.
Ironmouse? She inclined out of that subathon of hers then gradually fell back to the exact place she was last year before it, which is more or less where she was in Aug 2021.
That, incidentally, is the exact fate that would await any HoloEN girl trying for the same strat: a ONE WAY flow from her audience and that of Hololive into said fleshstreamer.
The fleshstreamer scene spent the past so many years demonizing “weebs” and anything weeb related as “cringe” and it worked for them. Any girl going for an association with them will get nothing back and lose everything.

>> No.37436178

>>37435072
Gura said one of her dreams is dancing together with Subaru one day. Looks like Subaru is gonna make that dream come true now.

>> No.37436186

>>37435997
>Gura wouldn’t work hard
Yes

>> No.37436188

>>37436173
(You)

>> No.37436189

>>37436068
Probably. RPR is pretty well known but I'd rather watch Dtto or any cute girl vtuber than a bunch of dudes pov. Even if they aren't as good.

>> No.37436204

>>37436089
8? Who the fuck went on hiatus this t—
>irys remodel
Oh, right. The one EN member whose songs I listen to (only the covers) is on break. I forgot about that. No wonder I keep getting shit for Myth and Council every time I listen to Internet Overdose. Trouble is, I got recommended more covers of that song by other utaites, and those are really good too. And they get me much better recommendations.

>> No.37436207

>>37436046
LOL
LMAO

>> No.37436237

>>37435886
Has Aqua even played Apex? Why her?

>> No.37436247

Nijisanji is just on another level, both quality-wise and numbers-wise.

>> No.37436264

>>37436247
They're the biggest vtuber agency for a reason

>> No.37436267

>>37436173
I still think Mumeis Rimworld thumbnail filtered some potential viewers. Plus the Rimworld viewers that clicked the video probably felt scammed and clicked out.

>> No.37436268

>>37436237
No. Aqua has never played Apex before. Never.

>> No.37436274

>>37435886
Anon, give it up. Aqua's given up apex, she hasn't been seen playing it since StartEnd's less-than-stellar finish at Hal's tourney.

>> No.37436292

>>37436264
Crazy how good they are in this business and how much talent they have on their roster.

>> No.37436306

>>37436078
ID overlap bless

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>>37422166
Do the Japanese read this thread or did one yours upload this there?

>> No.37436334

kek, I’ve seen many times people trying to deflect from Nijisanji doomposting by starting a “EN-JP” timeloop but this is the first time I see the reverse being attempted

>> No.37436350

>>37436267
JP overlap unironically took away at least a few hundred viewers as well.

>> No.37436352

>>37436267
Cope Fauna has surpassed Mumei
>>37436292
Having complete understanding to their audience does that they're very successful because they know who to recruit and how to raise them.

>> No.37436379
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>5 Hologirls JP are in the top 10 of the most watched female streamers in the world
>Easy 20k CCV floor
>Merch sold out in span of 1-2 minutes
EN Management
>Let's debut Tempiss and change the direction of HoloEN and stay away from JP ways and follow Twitch meta

>> No.37436388

>>37435232
>>37435352
First time I've heard about this, qrd? Was this happen around April-July? I wasn't actively following Holo back in that period.

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>>37436173
Graduate whoremei.

>> No.37436398

>>37436330
bit of both

>> No.37436402

>>37436379
You realize the west is a completely different market than the east, right?

>> No.37436413

>>37436330
>Do the Japanese read this thread
Yes. Sometimes they even post the link to the images directly from 4ch cdn.
This thread got a lot of eyes over it back on CCVID days, this might be the unofficial western
>vtuber /rrats/ and /news/

>> No.37436423

>>37436402
you realize most of you new mutts don't buy jack shit, right?

>> No.37436430
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>>37436402
and now they reclining

>> No.37436436

>>37436402
And yet, Gura is successful with idol culture mixed with western memes?

>> No.37436440

>>37436274
Then why would you expect someone who's probably bronze rank to even be invited with good players like Axel and Altaire

(Bite it damnit!)

>> No.37436442

>>37436388
Gura and Calli met in real life, Calli's sister threw a party in the house they were staying and Calli tweeted about Gura doing "something" in the room next to her's.

>> No.37436450

>>37436330
That got posted to the catalog too so they could have gotten it from just browsing /vt/

>> No.37436452

>>37436173
>>37436389
This is the impact of only pandering to tourists. She deserves the recline and should learn from it.

>> No.37436465

>>37436402
Their 2020 strat for the west was working just fine: cute girls doing cute things.
It’s not even a hard strat and doesn’t depend on a mainstream level of audience, just on a small but loyal audience

>> No.37436467

>>37436436
Gura, Fauna, Irys and Ina is making idol culture work in the west. They're one of the top EN female streamers by ccv

>> No.37436470

>>37436173
>>37436389
haachama....

>> No.37436471

Feels good seeing Kronii at the top of CouncilRyS again.

>> No.37436479

>>37436083
lmao retard got BTFO

>> No.37436480

>>37436442
>Calli

>> No.37436484

>>37436402
Yeah, and?
Traders in old days didn't get rich by trading shit that is found in both locations, they got rich by traveling far and bringing in shit that was different to what's found at their home

>> No.37436498

>>37436402
That's explain EN recline, they follow the shit principal of western market and just become another boring streamer

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More clip numbers.
I don't find the totals to be that interesting anymore, since most of the top 10 are there due to older clips; just look for which streams are clipped instead.
Split today is 17.7M(+1.1M) HL to 11.5M(-60k) NJ.

>> No.37436500

Never thought id see the day mumei got btfo by bae
Kek

>> No.37436516

>>37436423
Yes? The fact that Japanese fans are more "obsessed" just illustrates how different these markets are. The western vtubing market can't rely on idol culture to grow because the fans here aren't as crazy as japanese fans.
>>37436430
Due to poor planning from their part, could be avoided with a more aggressive strategy incorporating twitch culture more deeply.
>>37436436
She's successful because she's cute with a cute voice and even then she's declining hard because she refuses to change her business model to something more appealing to western fans.

>> No.37436520

>>37436402
Anon, how many bloody times do we need to beat this idea into your skull?!
>Changing your existing product, that your users already like, to try and capture some market that is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to your current one, is a 100% losing proposition.

People who watch Hololive watch it for cute girls, the funny interactions, and the feeling of unity. Mixing in Tempus the way they did is taking a nice Ice cream sundae, and dropping a giant spoonful of the most awkwardly spicy chili you can find that doesn't go together with said ice cream at all. .All you end up with is a slop that NO ONE gives two shits about except to say "LOOK MA, LOOK AT WHAT I CAN DO!"

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>>37436499
Graph.

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Nodoka on Noel's channel!

>> No.37436527

Ah fuck. 4 pokemon streams at 10pm jst
Miko
Fubuki
Koone
Shion

>> No.37436532

>>37436442
>tweeted
Not tweeted, said on a stream actually.

>> No.37436535

>>37436388
During the off collab arc Mori's sister threw a rager and brought her friends over to the house Gura and Mori were at. Gura locked herself in a room.
What seems to have happened is Gura is pissed at Mori for letting that party happen

>> No.37436540

>>37436516
>Due to poor planning from their part, could be avoided with a more aggressive strategy incorporating twitch culture more deeply.
give me an example of those points?

>> No.37436552

>>37436388
Mori got an Air BnB for the myth off collab. She met gura and took her there first. When they got there Mori said her sister got in and threw a huge party with drugs and shit, yes she said people were tweeking and trippin balls. Then Gura locked herself in a room or something. and they had to do the off collab somewhere else.

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More clip numbers, recent only (<2 Days). Other here >>37436499
Miko(6->1) with Pokemon and SC6, Chloe(7->2) with Pokemon, Korone(32->3) with Pokemon, Fubuki(2->4) with Pokemon, and Pekora(13->5) with... Pokemon.
Pokemon Arc is in full swing I guess.
Split today is 6.2M(+900k) HL to 2.6M(-280k) NJ.

>> No.37436561

So, why does Pekora's pokemon stream get more numbers than her first playthrough?

>> No.37436572

>>37436554
Cute button.

>> No.37436573

>>37436561
She's the goat

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>>37436558
Graph.

>> No.37436588

>>37436516
>declining
kek, you know someone is not from here when their auto correct fucks up one of the most used words in this thread.

>> No.37436590

>>37436442
>>37436535
>>37436552
Thanks anons

>> No.37436592

>>37436465
How was it working just fine when all streamers are reclining? Even the ones that chose to remain closer to idol culture are in a downward spiral. Your analysis doesn't make sense, western fans have always been more present on twitch, not pursuing a market there was HoloEN's biggest mistake.

>> No.37436602

>>37436552
>>37436535
Mori lost the mandate of Gura when that happened, huh. It's a good think calli ran off to UMG else Gura would've "kindly" asked yagoo to kick her

>> No.37436605

>>37436561
Less overlap, 1st playthrough was with fubuki 20k and koone 18k

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>It copies her face
Nice

>> No.37436626

>>37436561
Its the overlap. That korone and fbk pokemon stream is just too strong at that timeslot.

>> No.37436628

>>37436535
>Gura is pissed at Mori for letting that party happen
Kek lying piece of shit

>> No.37436653

>>37436628
More like Gura's relationship with calli soured

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>>37436590
It should be added that after all that Gura's unity with Myth has dropped off a fucking cliff

>>37436628
Ok anon explain why Gura stopped associating with all of Myth after the off collab then. Go on. Tell the class

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>>37436499
More clip numbers by source.
Lots of Pokemon due to the new arc, while NJ is relying on Yugioh competition and CR-related tournaments with OW2 and Valorant. They also have their own Pokemon streams that get a lot of views, as expected. Idk why JP really like their zatsus, but eh.

>> No.37436716

>>37436655
Let's pretend Calli wasn't cheerful when she mentioned Gura and the party. Let's pretend Gura wasn't having fun during the offcollab stream.

>> No.37436717

>>37436592
>How was it working just fine when all streamers are reclining
They immensely stable from Jan 2021 to Jul 2022. They were not inclining but not reclining either

>> No.37436722

>>37435916
I know this is a shitpost but in all honesty, it's kinda true. Gen 5 debuted to a massive audience and for awhile prior to the Aloe graduation they were riding pretty high though slightly hobbled by the suspension. When Aloe graduated, that pretty much crippled their growth because for a period of time Gen 5 had the blackmark of having Hololive's first graduation during the vtuber boom (Chris was fired to be fair). And when Myth debuted to much fanfare, the tourist decided to switch to them since Gen 5 just reminded them of bad memories. I'm guilty of this since despite liking Botan's content, I proactively tried to steer clear of her and Gen 5's content for months because of the Aloe shitshow plus Myth blowing everyone's expectations which was hella low at the time for an EN branch.

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>> No.37436747

anyone here who started watching hololive after the beginning of 2022 should never speak as if they know what the fuck they're talking about

>> No.37436753

>>37436653
>>37436655
Doesn’t Gura have a panel with Mori at that Singapore con? And before you try the management mandates EN have confirmed that they can turn down cons see Mumeis refusal to do meet and greets.

>> No.37436754

>>37436655
>Ok anon explain why Gura stopped associating with all of Myth after the off collab then. Go on. Tell the class
She realized none of them actually care about hololive or being an idol and that she's stuck with bunch of people that are neither passionate or professional

>> No.37436757

anons itt are extra retarded today.

>> No.37436763

How come Gura has 4 million subs but gets mogged all the time by Marine, Pekora, Miko, etc who have half the subs she has?

>> No.37436766

So it seems Kronii managed to fix her shit for the ASMR in the end?

>> No.37436770

>>37436678
It's actually pretty simple to explain. Zatsus can be broken down into smaller bite-sized bits with clips, and people can watch whatever topics catch their interest. Instead of listening to an hour of assorted topics, of which you might like two or three, clips allow you to save time and just spend five or six minutes listening to the topics that you really wanted to hear about.
It explains why that one niji clipper who got translated lamented the drop in Zatsu-type streams from Niji and the rise in gameplay streams.

>> No.37436774

>>37435673
rpr towa team...

>> No.37436775

>>37436609
cute

>> No.37436777

>>37436450
Matching the URL in the archive, the person who reposted it was reading the thread at the time.

>> No.37436784

>>37436763
Easy. She's giga culled.

>> No.37436796

>>37436729
November is so stacked, jesus.

>> No.37436801

>>37436729
Im ready

>> No.37436802

>>37436716
Let's pretend Mori isn't a retard. Let's pretend Mori wasn't cheerful when she described how much she enjoyed the song Kiara made for her

Nigga these girls' ENTIRE CAREER IS BASED ON THEM ACTING CHEERFUL ON CAMERA. THEM ACTING CHEERFUL MEANS SHIT
>Calli
kill yourself cuckbeat

>> No.37436810

>>37436753
>Mumei's refusal to do meet and greets
Is this an actual thing, I haven't been keeping up with the cons, wtf is her problem.

>> No.37436817

>>37436729
*sets up*
Noel is going to get mogged by the Niji 3d live.

>> No.37436822

>>37436810
Unironically autism.

>> No.37436834

>>37436763
How are you in the # thread and not knowing that Gura is gigaculled and should've +20k CCV on her numbers.

>> No.37436842

>>37436802
>Retarded shitposter doesn’t know tourists and Nijiniggers call her Calli

>> No.37436844

>>37436810
Anon, this is a girl with ADHD and an unhealthy level of crippling self-esteem issues. That's just how she is.

>> No.37436845

>>37436716
okay, NTA but what does having fun at the offcollab have to do with right now? you can see on the graph that she basically stopped doing 1 on 1 collabs with myth members AFTER the offcollab happened and will only collab with them if it's mandatory by management, i.e gura and kiara doing a 3DLive review at ANYC.

>> No.37436856

>>37436810
She's afraid she wont be able to speak when confronted with real humans alone. So if she does a meet and great she wants someone else there with her.

>> No.37436867

>>37436784
>>37436834
Do you have any proof of that?

>> No.37436881

>>37436867
Petra's tier 5 member's stream

>> No.37436883

>>37436526
Post the fullbody

>> No.37436887

>>37436856
This is why Bae’s the leader.

>> No.37436894

>>37436845
ANYC isn't management mandated, she could turn it down if she wanted to.

>> No.37436905

>>37436729
I did not enjoy Noel's previous 3D Live. Let's see if she's stepped up for this one.

>> No.37436909

>>37436845
Gura did raid that oil tanker with Ame and the Indogs in Rust. But she seemed oddly tense every time she interacted with Ame at that point and stopped all together after Ame through that little fit on stream.

>> No.37436910
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[Good News] Noel is now hot

>> No.37436911

>>37436379
>And lets do that in a recession

>> No.37436920

>>37436867
Her vod views

>> No.37436924
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Long-haired Noel is sex

>> No.37436928

>30K
schizo in shambles

>> No.37436932

>>37436856
What's wrong with this woman jesus, get ur shit together, how do you even get by college not talking to anyone and asking for help

>> No.37436935

>>37436867
Yagoo told me, I'm not supposed to be talking about it though.

>> No.37436936
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ezy

>> No.37436942

>Gura does a 3D concert stream
>Suddenly everyone feels motivated to do 3D concert streams as well and call Gura as a guest
Lol her influence on the company is immense.

>> No.37436944

>>37436822
>>37436844
>>37436856
Literally wrong answer. It's a singapore con. Of course, it's gonna be a time where burgers are asleep, anons. You're expecting too much from a student let alone asking her to attend an event at around 3AM in the morning.

>> No.37436945

>>37436910
>>37436924
>OL Noel
>Schoolgirl Noel
Truly the best

>> No.37436946

30k nice

>> No.37436948

>>37436909
>that little fit on stream.
Which one, the “fucking bitch” one?

Is there a timestamp to that moment on Ame stream? I never saw it linked, could be anons spreading rrats

>> No.37436957

>>37436753
A con appearance is not the same thing as actually working with someone on stream. A con appearence you just put on a happy face for an hour and you're done with it.
At the end of the day it's a world of difference between not wanting to interact with on stream or hang out with them, and being a drama queen diva who refuses to work with another talent. What happens on Gura's stream is one thing but doing stuff on the companies dime requires more professionalism

>> No.37436960

>>37436910
She's got the Ame smile here

>> No.37436969
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THOSE are HUGE

>> No.37436972
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>> No.37436976

>>37436932
Thing is, she didn't the first time (she dropped out once). She's figured things out now, but something like the meet n' greet is still too much for her.

>> No.37436988

>>37436810
Autism and low self-esteem. If not for Fauna saving Mumei on Youmacon, it would have been a disaster. She is always like this.

>> No.37436995

>>37436944
Mumei has literally said she avoids doing meet and greets tho. She also avoids appearing at cons in general. She has missed a shit ton of cons other holo's have attended.

>> No.37436997

>>37436928
It didn't update since 29.1k on my screen, so I'm still winning.
t. schizo

>> No.37437000

>>37436944
Mumei doesn't attend ANY meet n greets anon and she's literally explained the reason on stream. A couple weeks ago she attended a con and did a panel with fauna but skipped the meet n greet.

>> No.37437005

>>37436972
>>37436969
Amazing job on the “shirt stretch”, it helps highlight the size of the assets

>> No.37437011

>>37436894
okay, if she wants to be with fans, with the caveat that she has to do a myth collab, she would do it because she loves her fans and me specifically.

>> No.37437017

What's the point of Mumei again?

>> No.37437028

>>37436997
no it was 30K on mine you lost

>> No.37437029

>>37437017
numbers but she has reclined by a lot she's basically deadweight now.

>> No.37437035

>>37436932
I mean she literally dropped out of college before.
Anon Mumei is unironically one of the most menhera in EN. Her self esteem is completely terrible

>> No.37437042

>>37437000
What's the reason. Is it her autism?

>> No.37437048

>>37437035
She has a boyfriend.

>> No.37437061

>>37437017
Be cute and get numbers(well the 2nd part isn't true anymore but the first part is) oh yea she sings sometimes, that too

>> No.37437064

>>37437028
Doesn't count if I didn't see it, I win.

>> No.37437070

>>37436845
The con appearance wasn't an actual watchalong anon. They just replayed Gura and Kiara's 3D lives. Gura didn't do anything for the con this weekend

>> No.37437079

>>37436948
She said it, it's right at the end of her season 2 rust stream. it's been linked here multiple times.

>> No.37437085

>>37436942
True. Gura invented 3D streams.

>> No.37437093

Remember when Irys read a superchat about a collab with tempus and got super uncomfortable? Did this hurt her numbers?

>> No.37437095

>>37437042
She's never said if she really has autism or not

>> No.37437099

>Noel singing Boogie Back
Based

>> No.37437114

8 holo 3d lives in the last 11 days of november when it's already 16-3 is just overkill holy fuck

>> No.37437118

>>37437085
Why are you putting words on my mouth? 3D concert streams already existed but barely anyone was doing them, now we have like 4 or 5 doing them RIGHR AFTER Gura did hers.

>> No.37437120

LMAO if it wasn't for the overlap noel hair showcase could single handedly beat the niji yugioh tourney lolololol.

>> No.37437123

>>37437064
It does when i did.

>> No.37437125

>>37437079
Link me

>> No.37437137

>>37436969
lovely

>> No.37437138

>>37437048
And this relates to mumei being a menhera....how? Doxxnigger what the fuck did you mean by this

>> No.37437139

>>37435187
Subaru x Obaachan collab when?

>> No.37437140

>>37437123
No, it doesn't!

>> No.37437148

>>37437118
>3D concert streams already existed but barely anyone was doing them
kek, I wish I had drugs this good

>> No.37437153

>>37437035
She's a failure, of course she has no self esteem.
She's a good for nothing whore that needs to get the rope.

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>>37437114
it's super based

>> No.37437156

>>37437093
no

>> No.37437157

>>37437125
Nigger do your reps if you care that much

>> No.37437159

>>37437118
>barely anyone was doing them
Baffling post.

>> No.37437161

>>37437120
Why does pekora hate sankisei so much? It's a one time special reveal and she couldn't even open up her schedule for it.

>> No.37437163

>>37437138
You can't be a menhera with a boyfriend, dude...

>> No.37437166

Any link for fauna and kiara anime NYC stuff yet?

>> No.37437167

>>37437118
True. Gura invented Birthday lives. JPs would have no clue people liked them had it not been for Gura.

>> No.37437173

>>37437159
Check the calendar.

>> No.37437181

>>37437120
we can see the numbers, retard.

>> No.37437183

>>37437163
Baffling post.

>> No.37437184

>>37437154
thats one crazy schedule

>> No.37437191

>>37437148
>>37437159
Alright, compare how many concert streams were made in 2022 before Gura did hers and after.

>> No.37437197

>>37437163
Baffling post. Watch some episodes of Maury and then kill yourself

>> No.37437210

>>37437140
Not my fault you missed it. Cope

>> No.37437213

>>37437154
when is the niji 3d live scheduled again? have they successfully dodge a hollo 3d live?

>> No.37437217

>>37437163
either you don't know what menhera means or you're being a retard on purpose

>> No.37437221

>>37437163
you've never had a gf before have you?

>> No.37437226

JPniggers will always find a way to downplay Gura's influence.

>> No.37437229
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>>37437139
Obaachan must be item #1 on the
>NG collab partners
https://twitter.com/virtual_obachan/status/1571488002148544512

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>>37436969
>>37436972
>>37436924

>> No.37437235

>>37437217
A menhera is a mentally ill woman and mentally ill women are incapable of forming long term relationships, you fucking incel.

>> No.37437239

>>37437213
niji gamers one is on the 23rd so yeah

>> No.37437240

>>37437210
If it was real how didn't I see it? Checkmate realists.

>> No.37437249

Miko started following Trump on Twitter then immediately unfollowed him. What did she mean by this?

>> No.37437253

>>37434852
Kobo's growth is amazing. Will pass all of Myth soon, except for Gura. Gura is still gaining many subscribers (50k/month), second to Kobo (90k). Meanwhile, Mori has dropped to near the bottom of all Hololive (rank 45).

>> No.37437254

>>37437231
good doujin

>> No.37437258

>>37437235
>Boyfriend
>Long term
You're retarded then

>> No.37437275

>>37437258
You can have a boyfriend for a month retard incel.

>> No.37437293

>>37437249
Maybe she wanted to do it on her personal account and used the wrong one. Or she got flooded with messages from twitter trannys.

>> No.37437300

>>37437235
I mean...
That's exactly what mumei is, do deep DEEP RM reps if you want to know

>> No.37437316

>>37437253
>(50k/month)
roru

>> No.37437321

>>37437249
she always followed him before

>> No.37437327
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Don't let today's numbers and shitposting take your attention away from the fact that I have a very attractive mistress.

>> No.37437332

>>37437249
Is Polka still following?

>> No.37437336
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>>37437249
hololive policy of no politics. But Polka and her are huge trump fans but wants to keep quiet about this. Here, I managed to find a screenshot of it lmao

>> No.37437339

You niggers couldn't spend a day without being doxfags, rope yourselves

>> No.37437350

>>37437249
Probably advised to stay out of politics. Which is a good rule for Hololive.

>> No.37437353
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>>37437249
She followed him since back in the day when she played that kusoge secret service game
RIP to Miko's backlog, one of the absolute best.

>> No.37437355

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HME7XLmilps
>5K
Who?
Youtube recommended

>> No.37437373

>>37437339
it's one baiting faggot that the retards can't stop biting and mods won't delete. Everyone involved needs to kill themselves

>> No.37437382

>>37437336
>But Polka and her are huge trump fans
Yikes, disappointing if true.

>> No.37437384

>>37437355
vspo

>> No.37437392

I wonder how hoocucks feel knowing that Tarah has cucked Marcel, einshine, xeiv and felix multiple times.
Whore.

>> No.37437400
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Suisex starting

>> No.37437405

>>37437339
Who am I doxxing? I didn't doxx shit you fucking retard, everyone knows which holos have boyfriends and which are single, fuck off

>> No.37437409

>>37437229
Duck has great taste

>> No.37437414

>>37437327
puta

>> No.37437417

>Noel stalling just to ensure a proper funnel

>> No.37437427

>>37437191
Almost all of holo jp that have birthday and anniversary before gura did 3D lives. It only looks a lot right now because a lot of jp have their anniversaries during the second half of the year.

>> No.37437431

>>37437417
Shiraken love

>> No.37437442
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SSRB...

>> No.37437445

>>37437427
Semantics

>> No.37437455

>>37437382
Imagine caring about politics. I don't think someone who only has 4 years in the office has real power over those actually in charge of the white house. I like trump because he is entertaining and makes the trannies seethe

>> No.37437463

Miko butt on stream.

>> No.37437465

>Stream already lagging
Fuck you Susan

>> No.37437467
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>> No.37437471
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>> No.37437470

>>37437249
she still follows him though
maybe some bug on your side

>> No.37437476
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37437476

>Niji's YGO tournament's peak is 58k
Bet how long it'll take for Suityan to beat it.
Also, what the fuck happened with the likes counter? The numbers not showing at all for me.

>> No.37437486

Nodoka chan!

>> No.37437492

>>37437476
its disabled

>> No.37437499

>>37437467
Miko is whore.

>> No.37437506

>>37437445
>t. context blind retard

>> No.37437513

>>37437476
Disabled by the channel owner.
I pretty sure Comet had hers hidden for sometime now

>> No.37437514

>>37436845
Goddamn management mandated Pico Park?

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>> No.37437525

>>37437405
OK DN you can drop the act and go back to your hidey hole. No ones ever going to let you back in.

>> No.37437526

>>37437336
I'm indifferent to Trump (and burger politics in general), but after the fiasco of him keeping country's confidentials(?) even after no longer ruling is just a bit... Idk, that's something that even his fellow GOP wouldn't really do openly.

>> No.37437544

>>37436957
Okay but what about Among Us or Pico Park or any of the Rust interactions? Or the 3 offcollabs after that where Gura was completely fine?

>> No.37437552

>>37437455
He's not politics though, he's just a bigoted idiot. I can understand liking him because he's funny (due to his stupidity), I just hope they don't follow him because they believe in the crap he says.

>> No.37437556

towa is still an akusui anti...

>> No.37437595

50k !!!!!

>> No.37437596

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>> No.37437598

Suisei 50k!

>> No.37437613

RUN SISTERS RUN FASTER!

>> No.37437619

Imagine the funnel for Subaru's 3D. It's gonna be massive

>> No.37437625

>>37437526
Anon, thats the same thing Clinton did. A whole email full. It is not rare and it was utterly hypocritical when media talked about how bad one thing was but tried to ignore the other. Basically dont talk about politics here, especially if you’re a zoomer with surface level shit.

>> No.37437627

NIJISANJI IS FUCKED

>> No.37437628

Still losing to Niji, just saying...

>> No.37437635

>>37437619
All according to plan (illegal)

>> No.37437649

>>37437526
That's not something as strange as the media makes it out to be. The last 4 presidents have done it. He was the one who called them to let them know it was there and to pick it up. They did a raid to make a show of it. Burger politics are shit right now. That and all he has to do is say it's not classified and it's no longer classified. That's within the authority of a president.

>> No.37437651

>>37437628
who cares, we got subaru's 3D live anyway, not to mention its just 10 mins in.

>> No.37437652

>>37437625
>Clinton did it so it's ok for Trump to do it as well and not be held accountable
No.

>> No.37437657

Suisei should stop fucking aqua so much and leave some to me

>> No.37437681

Miko no Kaito...

>> No.37437691

>>37437316
Though Kobo's rate is slowing; 56% of previous month. May drop to Gura's rate in a couple of months.

>> No.37437697

This is like the 3rd gen collab back in August but in 3D right?

>> No.37437706

>Fubuki is streaming some shit AAA game during Suisei's and Subaru's 3D streams
What a fucking bitch

>> No.37437726
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>>37437253

>> No.37437730

STOP THE COUNT!
STOP THE COUNT!

>> No.37437735

>NIJISANJI MOGGED
NIJISANJI MOGGED
>NIJISANJI MOGGED
NIJISANJI MOGGED
>NIJISANJI MOGGED
NIJISANJI MOGGED

>> No.37437744

>>37437706
kek fubuki and mio both have 10k+

>> No.37437746

NIJISISTERS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.37437755
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Beaten.

>> No.37437768

..at least the tournament will get silver right??

>> No.37437769

60K KITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.37437770

Nijisanji status?

>> No.37437775

>>37437735
>>37437746
>>37437755
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT, wasn’t today supposed to be Subaru mogging Nijis?

>> No.37437782
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Yab

>> No.37437787

>overhyped holokeks don't know we even haven't reach final round yet.

>> No.37437796

What a shame, the NijiShill squad was at full force today too

>> No.37437804

Hololive fanboys are embarrassing...

>> No.37437806

>>37437775
They're BOTH going to take turns taking the strap-on to Niji today.

>> No.37437808

>>37437775
They're both mogging niji
First army 3D is unstoppable

>> No.37437814

>>37437768
Don't do this to them. Don't give the sisters hope. Can't you see they're in shambles right now? They'll start shittin up the place in a moment.

>> No.37437813

wasn't on stream since beginning is that dent on suisei curve the most filled Z on earth?

>> No.37437815

>>37437782
Doraemon?

>> No.37437819

The most hype event today is the holotalk with announcement right?

>> No.37437824
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STOP THE STEAL

>> No.37437825

>>37437787
shhhh let holobronies have this for now

>> No.37437840

>>37437782
>>37437815
Robot cat from the future

>> No.37437860

>>37437806
>Subaru
>Strap-on
anon that girl's got a sick, ask Noel

>> No.37437864

>>37437825
can't wait to see holokeks seething after niji passing it again kek

>> No.37437870

This could have been a 80k stream without Mio and FBK

>> No.37437906

Low quality samefagging again.

>> No.37437909

>>37437870
Could’ve been 127k with mori

>> No.37437916

>>37437909
Her name is Calli.

>> No.37437921

Wait how many Nijis are against StartEnd and Mikomet?

>> No.37437924

>>37437909
That’s a very specific number for this bait. Any reason?

>> No.37437926 [DELETED] 

Is this a suisei mc training for future tv appearance? Her strong point is singging, strange 3d from her.

>> No.37437927

>>37437906
SEA hours

>> No.37437929

>>37437787
>This isnt even my final form yet
OK.
*unleashes his bankai*

>> No.37437941

Does no-tabout Youtube CCV rule apply for waiting room?

>> No.37437942

>>37437909
Sorry I meant 12.7k with mori

>> No.37437964

Do we post holo vs holo now or should we wait until Subaru stream?

>> No.37437966

>>37437926
>suisei mc training
She already has weekly radio show mc
>>37437941
No

>> No.37437973

>>37437924
It’s what the suisei with only Mori as a guest peaked at iirc

>> No.37437987

>>37437926
She has already done 3D live this month anon

>> No.37437993

>>37437964
Wait for subaru stream with Subaru vs Shartend + Micomet

>> No.37438000

>>37437926
No singing = no rehearsals and no retakes, the 3d studio is busy

>> No.37438002
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New hologra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ4r_b4a7OY

>> No.37438008

Suisei's answer is so normie...

>> No.37438010

>>37437973
that was a 147K stream

>> No.37438018

>>37438002
Wake me up when they bring back Umisea again for these.

>> No.37438019

>already beaten by appetizer

>> No.37438026
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>>37437414
And a big putangina mo to you too

>> No.37438028

>>37437964
I think waiting for Subaru is optimal. Then you can do the:
>STARTEND AND MIKOMET MOGGED BY A FUCKING DUCK!!
seems like a good deal.

>> No.37438035

Since this is on suisei's channel and there are 3 first army in this 3D collab, will this best the 3rd gen quiz show on marine's channel?

>> No.37438034

>>37437916
Her name is Kelly.

>> No.37438041

>>37438002
Holy SEX

>> No.37438047

>>37438010
Ok I’ll remember that for next time

>> No.37438061

>>37437926
She has done a lot of MC stuff before.

>> No.37438087

do you think meido will rangeban sea for real this time if a schizo keep bothering him?

>> No.37438101

>>37438035
>Onion
>first army

>> No.37438113

>>37438087
most of jannies from SEA

>> No.37438112

>>37437964
I'll start a holo vs holo topic. I think the yuri relationship between micomet is better than startend.

>> No.37438121

>>37438087
Just a region's mobile-network at worst.

>> No.37438122

>>37438101
I'd say her pokemon streams put her back at that tier yeah

>> No.37438126

fuck this shit
https://twitter.com/livedoornews/status/1594209686160478211

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>>37438101
Now stop the fucking timeloop and watch the stream

>> No.37438131

Nijibros, we got too cocky ...

>> No.37438132

>>37437926
She's been on TV and hosted NHK radio before.

>> No.37438143

>>37438101
yes
always
eternal
status quo

>> No.37438149

Sui show will be more fun if Polka can make it

>> No.37438151

>>37438127
Why no towa

>> No.37438152
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lmao

>> No.37438165

>>37438126
Oh no no no no unicucks your idols

>> No.37438169

>>37438127
>Reddit Duck
>first army

>> No.37438177

>>37438152
0% Aqua...

>> No.37438185

>>37438101
armies are truly the stupidest discussion in /#/ by far

>> No.37438187

Please tell me why clippers love clipping bae but never clipped fauna?

>> No.37438196

>It's still going up
Nijibros... How do we recover...

>> No.37438201

>>37438152
if not corrected
>30%
she will in Mori tier

>> No.37438208

POLKA!

>> No.37438218
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>>37438126
kek https://twitter.com/48_keisuke/status/1593986464139780096

>> No.37438222

>>37438187
Idk i got quite a few clips from fauna lately

>> No.37438227

>>37438126
>prohibition on love
I dunno but I think they can't beat Hololive anymore on the j-idol front in terms of popularity so time to rewrite something to make things work again

>> No.37438231

Do we still care about vesper here

>> No.37438236

>Suzy gold
KITCHIRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SUISEX LEWDSSSS AIEEEEEEEEE SEX SEX SEEEEEEX!!!

>> No.37438243

>>37438187
Sapling does not like to share

>> No.37438264

>>37437824
Shuba 3d will surpass it later, bronze confirmed

>> No.37438266

>>37438236
Nice prep those grudge posts.

>> No.37438270

>>37438187
It's kinda impressive that Fauna is inclining without pandering to clipfags and tourists.

>> No.37438269

>>37438126
Wait wait wait, there's a mori or kronii like girl in AKB48 for this to happen?

>> No.37438274

>>37438187
I've seen 2 dedicated Fauna clip channels but 0 for Bae.

>> No.37438286

>>37438218
Oh, he's doing giveaway too

>> No.37438309

>>37438218
does that mean akb fans will move to hololive now?

>> No.37438312

>>37438227
>Can't beat Vtuber
>"Let's sink ourselve even futher"
I know they are JP, but they aren't THAT retarded

>> No.37438315

>>37438236
Stop falseflagging. Everyone knows it's gonna funnel into Subaru

>> No.37438325

>>37438218
what scandal? qrd?

>> No.37438326

>>37438187
She has 2-3 dedicated clippers

>> No.37438328

>>37438269
A good portion of them are whores. It's not a new thing. I'd say they're even worse than Mori.

>> No.37438346

>>37438312
Anon, Cover didn't reap another million from debuting EN 3 and instead, debuted Tempus...

>> No.37438347

>>37438187
Most clippers are sea and faunas appeal is to westerners

>> No.37438350

>>37438270
It doesn't mean that she doesn't pander to them. They just don't watch her.

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Shuba's waiting rooms quite scary

>> No.37438379

>>37438347
The funny thing is her dedicated clippers and artists are all SEA.

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if subura can't beat Pekora FGO gacha its a flop right? And Lucky rabbit strike again.

>> No.37438415

>>37438126
Holy shit AKB has fallen off so low from their golden years. They are currently mogged by 46, doing this shit will dig their own grave even further.

>> No.37438423

Nijisisters...
We can't even get silver with big company wide tournament...

>> No.37438434

>>37438402
Why low ball it? This ins an insult to subaru. If she can't beat Marine it's a flop.

>> No.37438443

>>37438126
Tempus is the most influential hololive gen

>> No.37438444

>>37438325
Not a scandal, they are considering lifting boyfriend ban rule on their members.

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