/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>37319170
>Desperately trying to correlate it with another different case in pathetic attempt to make people look bad
You will never save your retarded talent, PR intern. That bitch is beyond saving.

>>37319233
touched a nerve, huh?

>>37319272
>h-h-ha! gotcha!
yessir, i fucking lost. now i will instantly forgive her. i'll also convince my fellow to resub again. all these because you've beaten me in a such intellectual debate. i kneel...

>>37319170
Why nijifag make bait getting worse everyday, it like they don't trying at all.

>>37319345
It's PR team being tasked to recover public opinion. But apparently they're too retarded to do it.

>>37319170
Keep watching your whore.
We will keep making fun of you for your poor decisions

>>37319340
not enough, get on your knees bitch. lick my feet while swearing to improve yourself you pathetic maggot.

>>37319345
The more bait they make, the more i want to support her unironically. Now i just want to support her just to make nijiseeth.

>>37319372
is that what you do for fun because you don't have anything to watch?

>>37319170
I'll never give Ame another cent, another like, or another view. If she does another charity stream I will not donate.
>You guys sound just like the Chinese antis
Don't care.

>>37319367
Probabaly the nijisis, they suck at bait thread, it always backfire. I saw the koyoschizo make people watch her more than hate her nowaday.

>>37319416
Do you consider watching your oshi lusting for someone's cock on stream as "fun"? In that case, i still prefer watching Gura's VODs.

>>37319441
i guess we're just making stuff up now, like gura having vods to watch

>>37319439
I really don't see any advantage in promoting a talent. It's obviously a retarded PR trying to control the damage. Or just a cuck fan who got way too deep into membership.

>>37319345
pajeet got minimal wage, preasu undastando

>>37319441
Based Based BASED
>>37319465
Your whore's oshi vods can't even break 100k anymore. Begin coping

>>37319490
how do vod view numbers affect my enjoyment of her content? now, hours streamed on the other hand...

jokes on you. I always thought Ame was shit

>>37319490
At this point i wanna support her cuz i hate niji more than i care about her rant, i gonna picked lesser of 2 evil. If there no other entertaining stream, im gonna watch her or just having a background noise.

>>37319170
Homofags deflection thread

>>37319574
Because her content is garbage and the low views is the proof of that. Simple as.
>>37319583
All of us do

>>37319639
so you only like things if they're popular? do you let the trends dictate your tastes?

>>37319587
>cuz i hate niji
Call things with their right names. It's actually:
>cuz i am jealous of niji

>>37319170
Don't like male collabs and especially don't like how tempus are being pushed inside the hololive bubble by management. Other than mori, Ame is probably the single biggest contributor to this trend with her 3 part tourney and the ongoing astroneer thing. I still can't bring myself to dislike her though and will never anti her, I just hope she can control her need to support everyone around her and that she realises that trying to force full unity with tempus is going to alienate more than just some fans but also some of her own colleagues.
I am still waiting for her to inevitably try to include tempus in one of her VR projects and what a disaster that will be.

>>37319170
Why do teakeks pretend like anyone mentions Ame outside of these troll threads and their pathetic general? Is this their way of advertising her?

>>37319723
Not really, their number in the toilet, everytime i go into # they cant stop crying and doxx holomem, that peaked jealousy to me.

>>37319686
Not really. But in our cute Shork's case is justified. Her popularity is just proof of how good she is.
The best Vtuber who understands the concept of cgdct and unicorns. is there to just be funny, cute and do gfe for us. Besides pursuing the idol status.

While your irrelevant bitch doesn't know what vtubing is about and wants to cuck her fanbase with Homo collabs. How do you even stick around for this shit?

>>37319792
then why doesn't she stream?

>>37319844
To make you seethe

>>37319792
>The best Vtuber
Cookie? She never panders to unicorns.

>>37319844
Nta but i rather she stream rarely like this, there too many thing going in life after covid, probably watch 5 vod per week and 1-2 livestream.

>>37319844
>She doesn't stream
>Still the most popular vtuber in EN
Seethe more

>>37320007
Nakirigumis' logic.

>>37319888
>bringing convert
Nijiseeth never get old.

>>37320037
>Still grows faster than Gura even with a vtuber model.
Copebuds, never get old.

>>37319885
>>37320007

>>37319170
I don't speak chinese though.

>>37320139
There's no hope for you.
You'll get tired of being a cuck one day

>>37319792
>Gura
>Idol
Pick one.

>>37320242
Sorry, bro, my oshi won't suddenly disappear for ten days. Who knows what she did all that time?
Not just baking that's for sure.

>>37320267
Yes. I pick both since that's what she is

>>37320303
>Who knows what she did all that time?
She did me.

>>37320319
Ok, can someone please explain to me why chumbuds struggle so hard with math, and the concept of numbers in general?

>>37319170
I mean I welcome the low CCV. These trannies get so butthurt because Ame collabed with men that I now have a chance to be her number one fan
>Inb4 you're a cuck
>inb4 you'll lap up Tempiss cum from her pussy
Fuck you and your cuck mentality trannycorn. You have been replaced by me. Get cucked.

Can I get a QRD ffs

>>37320242
lmao

>>37320398
Nevermind I thought OP pic was Millie and not Ame, funny.

If unicorns are such an awful audience why make these threads trying to brow best them into coming back? Let the people who don’t like male/female collabs move on and enjoy your streams.

>>37320398
No

>>37320430
I'm not trying to make them come back, I just want to piss them off.

>>37319382
>teacucks acting dom
lmao

>>37320627
This doesn't piss me off at all, sounds like you are begging me to give her another chance and lol no, she lost me forever.

>>37320756
good, she doesn't need incel cucks like you

>>37319170
Remind me when we started botting her streams to make her chat unusable teacuck?

>>37320802
NTA but on a long enough timeframe, every single one of us watching vtubers will be "cucked"
Not wanting to be reminded that you will never be more than a fan by watching males interact with your oshi ON STREAM (which again is the only avenue you have to interact with her) is a perfectly reasonable preference or reason to drop someone.
Most hololive vtubers understand this and do the male interaction thing in their private lives and don't punish their fans by bringing it into their workplace.
Barely anybody who watches hololive wants male collabs, some of the homos numbers are going below 1k and the whole lot of them have this incestuous raid funnel thing going on to keep them above water.
You can strawman against unicorns all you want, but this is a parasocial hobby for the vast majority of the fanbase and even the most pathetic men don't really want to watch their oshi have fun with men that are not them and no amount of dunking on unicorns will change that.

>>37319233
fpbp

>>37321222
not reading all that cuckie

>>37321222
>Barely anybody who watches hololive wants male collabs
And even fewer who watch hololive care about male collabs.

Haven't you guys noticed that Ame had been doing 2 streams per day to make up for her 40k Vod view loss.

>>37321399
Considering the shitstorm around both Ame and Kronii choosing to collab that was not even contained to here and both of their relative declines afterwards I don't agree that more people are neutral than opposed to them, though of course most people are not going to be as militant as you will find here it is still not content that the core fanbase actually wants to see.
Fauna is now the most popular streamer in council, Mumei is doing fairly well too, no unicorns in sight for those two, just hololive fans who are getting the kind of content they expect and actually want to watch.

>>37321792
Core fanbase? Her members? The likes for her member posts actually increase.
Decline? You mean her playing Frog Detective? Because her repeated streams (SC reading & karaoke) remain constant.

>>37319382
Retard.

Are all of these posters falseflaggers replying to each other or are they actually retards who love biting bait?

>>37321635
>he doesn't know about Watson Wednesday
shitposters don't know what they're talking about lmao

>>37321792
>Considering the shitstorm around both Ame and Kronii choosing to collab that was not even contained to here
some shitters raiding comments sections means nothing you retard
>declining views
lmoa

>>37321947
Scrolling through her community page right now I don't see any real difference, plenty of 2.8k or higher posts way back and that seems to be around the same high watermark as right now with a lot of posts at 2.1-2.5.
It is beside the point though because I never claimed she would lose a lot of members outright just gradually filter them, like I said most are not that militant, I am still membered to her and most likely will be until I stop watching hololive but it doesn't mean I actually want to watch the tempus stuff, and you almost never see anybody actually asking for it unless they are a shit stirring grey.

If she had kept up the tempo of the first few weeks after the collab ban was lifted it would have been far worse but something seems to have changed behind the scenes as collabs have pretty much stopped entirely these last few weeks.
The main point is, if on the whole the fans don't want it, if the best you can hope for is that people will be neutral on it, why even bother doing it?

Ame herself has all sorts of rules for tempus interactions, if the amount of people bothered by it to some degree was really so tiny and insignificant, why would she even care?

>>37319170
when she starts getting her twitter and youtube spammed by literal bots with dox, gore, and hate, then you can talk about acting like the bugs. You likely weren't even there to see it.

>>37320368
They have not taken algebra 1 yet

>>37319382
I read this in Ame's voice and now I have a boner, thanks anon

>>37322299
It was a mistake to include Ame in the declining views part, Kronii has absolutely declined though and the rest of my post still stands

Don't care, still not watching male collabs

>>37322690
kronii declined for reasons unrelated to males

>>37322226
It's literally just ESLmates making these threads and going through a script.

>>37322732
The drama around the male collabs is certainly part of it

>>37322445
It's been months since Q&A where she said she will collab in a group & she still collab in a group with them. Nothing to do with being bothered by others.
More collabs during the first months? That is like every new gen at the same branch, including the council.

>>37322732
Really, what is your theory then? I am aware everyone has declined somewhat but there are certainly outliers and talents that are weathering the storm better than others.

>>37322690
If you want to look at declines, then look at Gura & Mumei too.

>>37322942
I know she is more or less sticking to the rules she set up in the marshmallow stream, my point was if she has to have all these self imposed rules for interacting with them, even to the point where she won't call into their birthday totsu despite having interacted with them because it could be construed as a one-on-one then she clearly understands or believes that male interaction is not something her fanbase actually wants to see, or why would she even have them in the first place?

Quite a lot of posters are trying to suggest that the amount of people bothered by male collabs is miniscule and have zero impact, my point is clearly Ame herself does not believe that.

>>37323170
You suggest she imposed the rules because people were bothered by them when she imposed them even before anyone said they were bothered by them?
If it is because of others she will say it just like she did with the amongus prank.

>>37319345
holy ESL

>>37323369
No actually I am suggesting the exact opposite of that, I am saying she already knew it was going to be contentious, she already knew people were either not going to be interested or outright not like it.
She imposed those rules on herself because she knew these things which kind of takes apart the argument that people who care about this are a powerless minority if the talent is trying to do damage control and set boundaries before anything even happens.
I am sure Ame knows a lot more about her analytics and the general pulse of her fanbase than the people trying to say things like this >>37321399

>>37323676
Where? Show me those people that being bothered by it even before the Q&A.

>>37322732
Nah. Kronii definitly declined due Tempiss. But it's more of a decline due how she reacted to drama than collabing itself.

>>37323859
Drama combined with long breaks due to her two wisdom teeth extractions, weird Subway arc, bad game choices, etc. It doesn't help that everyone streams over her lately either. It's not too catastrophic she still got good numbers when she played RE8, for example

>>37319170
You can't make me watch her ever again, faggot.

>>37323774
You are misunderstanding me completely, I am not saying there were people making a fuss before the Q&A, I am saying she had thought about her approach to tempus well before that Q&A ever happened - to the point where she already had a set of rules in mind for how she was going to interact because she already knew suddenly streaming with males was going to be controversial and unwelcome to a lot of her fans.

This is such a minor point to get stuck arguing about but all I am saying is that amongst hololive fans, people bothered by male collabs to some extent are not an insignificant minority, and the kind of rules that Ame has for interacting with them are evidence that the talents know this too.

>>37324306
>was going to be controversial and unwelcome to a lot of her fans.
And why would she think that? From where? From who? Based on what? That's what I'm asking & you just dodge the questions all the time.
Even now only blatant schizos in her comment sections/Twitter care about things like that & if Ame cares about what minuscule schizos think then she already finishes Nier by now.

>>37320368
Like oshi, like fanbase

>>37319170
>You guys sound just like the Chinese antis
always have been

>>37324555
Holy fuck man, she is aware as a member of hololive that the vast majority of her senpai choose not to collab with males and the reasons for it, she is aware as a female content creator that male fans get attached and tend to get jealous / withdraw support if they catch a whiff of a male - that is a fact that applies to literally any female streamer and is why so many of them hide men in their life.

Apply some logic to this, if you agree that she had pre-formulated a set of rules for interacting with males before even talking to her fanbase about it, WHY do you think that is? For no reason at all? Give me a break.

>if Ame cares about what minuscule schizos think then she already finishes Nier by now
I agree with you, Ame doesn't generally care what one or two schizos think, which Is why I have been trying to illustrate that the people bothered by this comprise a much larger portion of her fanbase than that and her actions to placate them prove that she knows it too.

>>37325030
Because she doesn't want to? Just like she doesn't want to read guides for Minecraft, or spam collab with Gura, or use the coins, or buy a protein skimmer for her tank?
You spout a lot of "facts" without a single data to back it up.

>>37325400
You are totally deluded if you think her rules for how she interacts with tempus are not taking into account her fanbase, did she have ANY rules like this for council, a new gen that debuted that just so happened to be all girls? No of course she didn't because she knew nobody would have any issues with how often she chose to interact with them so it was not even on her radar to set ground rules with her community.

No matter how you feel about the collabs, no matter how much you think they affect the talents numbers or whatever, you cannot deny that she has a special set of rules for interacting with them and ONLY them and if you want to continue burying your head in the sand as to the reasons for for that, be my guest.

>>37325698
Just like she has her rules for all the GIRLS from Vshoujo, Niji, indie, and even her own cousin?
Can you show me any indication she did it because of others? No? Do you know what it is called? Talking out of your ass.

>>37321222
>>37325698
Considering your first post and this last one, I guess /vt/ kayfabe can't stand much consistency when questioned
>every single one of us watching vtubers will be "cucked"
You take that shit and run with it as much as you can, adjusting everything you see to match it. Please leave this place if you're not joking, it'll be good for you

>>37326103
I put "cucked" in those quotation marks for a reason anon, Of course I don't actually believe them having a partner in their private life constitutes being cucked in any way.

>>37319170
i thought that was a picture of millie

>>37319170
who?

>>37325971
All of those are out of company collabs and aside from brief comments addressing people begging for uto collabs this is in NO way comparable to her having rules for levels of acceptable interaction with a new gen under the same company that she planned to interact with in the first place.

Come on anon, she has even acknowledged that her rules are there because she knows male collabs are unpopular with parts of her fanbase.
Do you not remember her literally saying "I know some of you guys don't like it, so I try to balance them out" or outright addressing why she was sticking to only group collabs in the marshmallow stream itself by pre-emptively going through some of the reasons fans might be jealous?

Taking the position that she only made this special set of rules for the male gen because it was what she wanted with no consideration or compromise for her fanbase is so retarded I cannot believe you are sticking to it sincerely.

>>37326939
How convenient you miss the part where she said "I'll do what I want, ameway baby!".

>>37326939
do you have a single fact to back any of that up

>>37319367
>recover public opinion
KEK, on 4chan, of all places? You can only find schizo opinions here, why bother arguing with the mentally ill?

>>37327016
>thinking that in any way changes the fact she has made compromises to placate her fanbase from the start and continues to do so to this day
>>37327053
Her comments on uto are a fact, so are her own words in the marshmallow stream or the stream where she acknowledged she was balancing out types of content.
Her rules were not only expressed by her in that stream but have been self-evident ever since then in how she has been conducting herself.
So yeah pretty much every point in that post was factual retard.

>>37327288
i'm kinda lost the last thing i remember is her basically saying ´´fuck off´´ to people who didn't like the male collabs.

>>37327288
The fact that someone that famous for being ameway & won't let others influence what she does, being ameway & won't let others influence what she does?

>>37327424
She said something along the lines of "I am sorry if I hurt your feelings, I hope they recover someday, but I will do what I want AMEWAY baby" which got closest to that sentiment.

That is not the point though or even what I have been arguing about.
I am simply saying that she has a special set of rules for interaction with tempus, that are there because of how a portion of her fanbase feels about them and not because of some pure AMEWAY bullshit that is free of outside influence like that one guy is trying to suggest. It is such an obvious thing too, I don't see why anybody would disagree but I am exhausted arguing about it at this point.
>>37327440
Alright, if you want to believe that she suddenly decided a rulebook was necessary to govern her interactions with tempus apropos of nothing then I literally cannot be fucked to keep arguing with you. Agree to disagree

>>37327424
She will collab with males sometimes, but not often, and usually she would prefer to look like this is exactly how she want it, rather than her fanbase forcing her to go one way or another. Nothing is certain, only that she cares about streaming and doing it the ameway.

>>37327823
>>37327936
i'm not trying to influence no one's opinion or insult Ame
, that's how i interpreted the situation when people started to not like those collabs, sorry if i used the wrong words.

>>37327823
From your own post.
>but I will do what I want AMEWAY baby
Therefore it is safe to say she'll do it AMEWAY not because "I'll do what the schizo (you) wants".
Now, can you show me something similar to "but I will do what you want, p-please don't bother me"?

>>37321222
>but this is a parasocial hobby for the vast majority of the fanbase
>>37326204
>>37326939
>I am a pathetic lonely sad man, so everything that happens is therefore subject to the limits of what a pathetic lonely sad man is capable of thinking
/vt/ really ruins people's minds. Identifying with unhealthy shit and trying to justify your behavior with "at least I'm acting in accordance with the pathetic shit I identify with" will never cease to be curious. You literally refuse to understand the world except through the lens of what /vt/ kayfabe dictates. Think for yourself a little bit and again, leave this place for a while if you actually believe the shit you're posting
Every streamer and content creator identifies their target audience and makes content for what they like/want. And every streamer and content creator also makes content that aren't targeted to their core target audience sometimes because they want. Even fortnite youtubers receive hate and bullshit when they stream a game that is not fortnite ffs. You just want to believe the shit you read here and scream "we are sad! you should pamper us!!"
>>37327823
Your goalpost has degenerated to the most reasonable thing you've found that you've been cornered into, which is recognizing the "core audience" and how some create content for them and others decide, despite still creating content for them 99% of the time, to do different things. Something that Ame herself said too. The ones that scream "WHY NOT FORTNITE" in other cases are the ones screaming "WHORE WHORE, I'M A LONELY MAN, YOU'RE RUINING MY LIFE AND RUINING HOLOLIVE" which leads to
>I am sorry if I hurt your feelings, I hope they recover someday, but I will do what I want AMEWAY baby

>>37328008
>Identifying with unhealthy shit and trying to justify your behavior with "at least I'm acting in accordance with the pathetic shit I identify with"

You are completely correct about it being unhealthy but what kind of behaviour do you think am I trying to justify beyond having a clear preference for the content that holoEN has provided for the first 2 years and an aversion to seeing it change as much as it appeared to be in the first few weeks after the collab ban, do you think I am one of the people calling her a whore in her comments or something? I am still a member, I still watch the content from her I enjoy and despite thinking it was a mistake to go so hard on stars collabs out of the gate I am more or less able to just ignore them when they come.
I talk about it here but I have never stooped to sperging out in superchats or comment sections. It is okay to have a preference, it is okay to think that one type of content (mixed collabs) is incompatible with what hololive as a product has offered up until this point if it becomes the norm. It is not in my opinion comparable to choosing a different game to play after building an audience on something else it is a far more consequential transformation than something like that and speaks to the entire company and not any one individual vtuber, or do you not believe that hololive as a whole has built their business on pandering to lonely men?
>Your goalpost has degenerated to the most reasonable thing you've found that you've been cornered into
Actually getting stuck in a circular argument about how Ame has a set of rules for interaction with tempus is not my goalposts moving it is just me going back and forth for far too long with one guy who seemed particularly fixated on that one point but whatever.
>but this is a parasocial hobby for the vast majority of the fanbase
I stand by that of course, /vt/ brainrot aside do you really think the company that sells promise rings is not farming the shit out of people like that as a major demographic.

>>37329168
>company.
The girls decided on their own merch & image. Cover just support them.

>>37329296
Funniest cope I ever read.

>>37319421

>>37329344
https://twitter.com/hololivepro_EN/status/1571745933754503168

>>37329296
branch then, whatever terminology you want to use my point was the first few weeks after the collab ban suggested to a lot of people that coed content was going to be the way things were from here on out, a fundamental shift from what holoEN had been from the beginning and a far cry from creating content for the core audience 99 percent of the time like this anon is talking about.
>recognizing the "core audience" and how some create content for them and others decide, despite still creating content for them 99% of the time, to do different things
If that was all it was, one percent of content not appealing to the core audience but easily ignored, like I don't know holoJP nobody would be complaining, but that was decidedly not what it looked like in those first few weeks.

>>37319421
Ok that means more ame for me, loser chad

>>37329296
Management has been desperately trying to get Gura to de-lolify herself. It’s pure cope to say that management supports whatever the talents want. It wasn’t until Marine stepped in and got JP management involved that Gura got her daki.

>>37329480
You believe the statements of a corporation? Corporations always lie to secure the most profits, and selling a parasocial image is the most profitable.

>>37329528
>a fundamental shift from what holoEN had been from the beginning
I don't know Mori joined HoloEN three months ago.

>>37329635
>Guys they're lying I have the proof (no proof).

>>37329687
Educate yourself on the history of corpos. Really nothing to prove if reality is in front of you.

>>37329745
(no proof)

>>37329766
(No brain)

>>37319421
I KNEEL!

>>37329799
(No proof of no brain)

>>37319170
>one billion
lol you mean the 3k retards who still give a shit about her

>>37328008
Trying new stuff is not the same as doing something that you know your fans dislike, repeatedly.
Also stop being such a normalfag nigger.

>>37329168
>>37329528
Ohh, I get it. Now it's
>Hololive was about [this] and now is changing for [that] fr fr
You're a lost cause, dude. A ton of vtubers outside hololive and even hololive members have a lot of gachis and even unicorns despise male collabs. It's all about behavior and mannerisms. /vt/ watch vtubers with a checkbox list on the side
>if they collab with males, check. Means whore, abandon ship
>if they collab with rival company, check. Means traitor, abandon ship
>if they have an active roommate, check. Means traitor, abandon ship
Not caring a single spinning shit about HOW those things occur. They don't care about the content itself, just how the title of that content influences their checkbox lists built on this weird kayfabe they try to push. They watch vtubers and have oshis if and only if they check the correct checkboxes that make them look good for that
>do you not believe that hololive as a whole has built their business on pandering to lonely men?
Of course that's the case. The audience is like 90% male or something like that for some of them. That's why most of the content is solo content or collab with other girls, there's enough male content outside vtubing/hololive. That's the "core audience" I describe and for the most part they pander to them, and as any other content creator, sometimes they do other types of content. For some events with irl comedians, for other is a collab song, for other is group collabs with males, for other is solo male collabs, for others male collabs only in apex. You name it, they do whatever they want with whatever rules they want.
If you decide to create a whole coping mechanism based on girls that don't expressively tell you that they'll never do certain things like male collabs (which is even weirder, there are gfe vtubers that collab with males and nothing happens), that's on you. Some vtubers like Rushia (now that you mentioned the ring thing) will pander specifically to that type of content, some don't. /vt/ tries to push this idea that all of them prematurely agree to do that collectively and as time goes on and those checkboxes are checked, they betray you systemically and of course screaming "cuckoldry!!" at the top of their lungs, why not
>>37330827
>it doesn't count!
It's content, buddy. Maybe it hurts your feelings, but them showing themselves because they know they're attractive to you is part of the content, and trying other stuff like not ONLY pandering to that but maybe, idk, playing apex with someone that's very good at the game and happen to be male, it's content too. They know it won't be as popular as a, let's say, ASMR stream, but they want to try and do it
It could be just that, and you could skip it, but of course you have to follow /vt/ kayfabe and catalog them as traitors, whores, mean people, etc etc etc because OH NO! They checked a taboo checkbox!

>>37331477
kek, he's right

>>37329595
>(no proof)

>>37319421
cringe loser

>>37320426
Does Millie have unicorns?

>>37331477
>You're a lost cause, dude. A ton of vtubers outside hololive and even hololive members have a lot of gachis and even unicorns despise male collabs.
You either worded this oddly or are just stating the obvious whilst agreeing with me on the point that gachis and unicorns generally dislike male collabs. Of course vtubers outside hololive have those types of fans too, I never said hololive had the monopoly on them or anything.
>It's all about behavior and mannerisms. /vt/ watch vtubers with a checkbox list on the side
Are you arguing with me or a parody of /vt/ as seen through the eyes of someone who only spends time in the catalog?
For your information I have no problem with roommate shit within reason if it isn't leading to an actual tangible problem like no streams or something, I am looking forward to the selen/ame/mumei collab because I like selen and as far as males go I have made my position pretty clear itt but it is certainly not as black and white as males=whore but you knew that already.
>/vt/ tries to push this idea that all of them prematurely agree to do that collectively
I can agree with that, I don't see any point in criticising Mori or Bae for being open to male collabs beyond shitposting which is why I have not done it.
>they betray you systemically and of course screaming "cuckoldry!!" at the top of their lungs, why not
I sarcastically used the word cucked once >>37321222 it was not a serious comment which you could probably tell if you read the post.

I don't know anon it seems like you want to paint me as having every opinion you see in the catalog at once and argue against that position instead of the main ones I was expressing.
>Hololive was about [this] and now is changing for [that] fr fr
Some concern about this point and some opinions on the way Ame is handling interacting with tempus was all I really talked about. I wish I had not gotten so bogged down in talking about Ame because I put most of the blame on some of the decisions management has made above any specific talent but whatever.

>>37333003
>it seems like you want to paint me as having every opinion you see in the catalog
I don't think you understood what I said. I described how retards on this board operate because through this thread, it seems to me that they are polluting your opinion. Your first posts are wildly different to this last one where you blame management. You even went into numberfaggotry arguments

>>37333848
numberfagging may be irritating when it is brought up in unrelated discussions but in the context of showing the complete lack of interest hololive viewers show in tempus despite being exposed to them more than enough I think it was reasonable to do.
>I described how retards on this board operate because through this thread, it seems to me that they are polluting your opinion
Well okay but as I have tried to point out, I don't share a lot of those opinions you were talking about with your /vt/ kayfabe comments.

As far as my posts being different, I have been itt for far too long arguing and I am tired so who knows, I have always blamed management for trying to integrate starsEN in a way that was not necessary when they already had a blueprint to follow from the JP side that would have still allowed the girls who wanted to collab to do so and kept the gachis (mostly) happy but like I said, got caught up arguing about Kronii and Ame instead.

Going to watch a stream and sleb now, take care t. Lost cause

>>37334665
Numberfagging is always wrong, lost cause-chan. What about akirose for instance, or other holomems with low views?
/vt/ brainrot at its best

>>37331739
no you

>>37335280
die retard