/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>37257948
World Health Organization?

I wish this happened to her

I had no idea about her as I will never be Japanese, but maybe Kson should sweep her up. What's another company to make upset?

So there are non-compete clauses after all so the bigger companies should also have it as well. That's why using roommate would technically not violate it. This is starting to make sense when you consider why those who move up from their old persona have to go on "hiatus", or you see a new tweet on an old account but they don't start streaming on it if they have a vtuber model for it. They could risk violating their contract it would seem. They can hint at their old life but if they stick another vtuber on it, they could get terminated for it.

>>37257948
>Karaoke audio produced by SuperYellow Inc. had been utilized by Person A during their outside VTuber activity without explicit permission. The aforementioned karaoke audio was licensed and produced by SuperYellow Inc. explicity to be used for Saki Ashizawa's activities.
Dear god what a retard

>>37257948
>have contract to stream on account A
>stream on account B playing game you are also allowed to play on A

why are woman like this?

>>37257948
What's her alt account?

>>37258407
Have cake, eat it too, yada yada.

>>37258308
Riot Music is part of Brave Group, the third biggest VTuber agency in Japan behind Anycolor and Cover.

>>37257948

>>37257948
Please ALLAH!!! Mori and Laplus next, i beg of you, show us your lightning once more!!!

>>37258249
You'd lose Matsuri, Choco, Mel, Noel, AZKi, Robocco, Shion, and many more if Cover enforced something similar.

>>37258480
bigger than 774?

>>37258515
exactly, they'd never have such a retarded rule

Honestly, if you are still under Brave after the shitshow that was Gamebu you deserve anything that happens to you

guys in the /grave/ thread thinking about making an archive if anyone wants in on that
>>37258292

>>37258500
>"uhhhh who?????"
>capeshit reaction image
amerilard moment

>>37258516
Yeah, Brave Group owns Riot Music, Aogiri High School Club, Mugen Live, VSPO, and Palette Project. Subwise they're about twice as big as 774.

>>37257948
Good, now apply for holo 7 and make Suisei embarrassing her self

>>37258515
Just for en

She was my favourite member of Riot Music, it's sad that she did something dumb like this. Reminder she wasn't fired for streaming on her rm she was fired for using Saki music/content on her rm account.

>>37258515
These people have good opsec though so Cover doesn't give a shit. Fuck, even Mori has better opsec than this retard in the OP.

>>37258566
Do they not? The post says that it was for vtubing, not streaming period. Don't think any of them do RM streams as vtubers.

>>37258515
No you wouldn't this is specifically about carrying out vtuber activities while already being a vtuber signed to a contract. She could have done another account as herself if she wanted but she was being a separate vtuber whilst signed up as a vtuber to a company.

Brave Group is as black as shady black companies get, but using music licensed specifically to Brave Group on her roommate channel was just plain retarded

>>37258515
kek, idol culture, amright?

>>37259003
>he doesn't know laplus and roboco started a new VTuber group

>>37259012
That's true but you also better believe a big part of this is her being a complete retard and loudly making it obvious that she is Saki Ashizawa's rm and complaining about the company. If these girls did any of that they'd be fired too, but again, they aren't retards (Mori might be retarded but not in this way)

>>37259086
so now the rrat also dragging roboco, nice

Did the person in question make a statement or attempt to explain themselves in any way? I have no idea who this was, but did they enjoy their job with the company or did they not really stream as much and probably wanted to quit? I can't imagine something like this happening to anyone in Holo or Niji.

>>37259086
But are they themselves streaming there as vtubers whilst being vtubers at hololive? That's what these contracts are about they're saying you can't be another vtuber while also being a vtuber with our company not saying you can't have outside jobs or run a business.

>>37259003
Kronii's rm might next year.

>>37259138
>did they not really stream as much and probably wanted to quit
Streamed pretty much everyday

>>37259086
No they didn't.
They're probably going to have PNG's for their roommates' personas, but they've had that for years before they even joined Hololive regardless.
They're not going to have rigged live2D models. I'm sure that their contract is similar to this company's and forbids that.

oh well, holo has their new gen memeber

>>37259235
Damn. She's probably very upset then.
That's unfortunate. She probably feels like her career is over.

>>37259141
>Azki
She barely uses her model, tho

>>37259296
She'd probably prefer Nijisanji.

>>37257948
She often appeared in my recommendations

>>37259352
she will join Laplus Vtuber Agency and that 100% guarantee

>>37259312
Meant for
>>37259239

>>37258249
Fuck off holobrony

>>37257948
I like her Gundam and Bleach covers.

Damn, she was hearting YT comments just four hours ago on a karaoke she did less than a day ago.

>>37259235
Wow.
Do you have any idea why she broke her contract?

>>37259003
Azki.

>>37257948
I've seen Marine stream twice as another character called Miririn or something like that. I wonder if she asked Cover to do it.

>>37258335
Note that it says "without permission". There are cases in Holo EN where say Fauna or IRyS have done some Patreon streams they were obligated to do with their old models, and I'm sure they were cleared with management. This girl seemed like she was actively preparing to jump ship and migrate her fans to her new account so they just went ahead and fired her. We've seen that before with either Cyberlive or kawaii, forget which. Girl was doing the same, and it came down to a |"we'll fire you before you quit" scenario.

>>37259610
Anonchama, I...

>>37257948
Looking at this it seems that menheras actually need a manager who babysits their every movement, god.

>>37259610
No. That's not the same thing at all. People have been using online names and using a character to represent themselves for decades. Almost all their roommates are like this. No one uses their real name over there. Think of it like that one youtuber named Corpse Husband or whatever. Almost everyone does that there because of privacy but also because representing yourself with a character is like having a mascot and good for branding and recognition.

>>37257948
give me her RM name

>>37259003
Kson streamed a few times with her scuffed old model while Coco was still active. Though maybe the rules were different back then.

>>37258968
>Noel
>good opsec
>loading or showing Noel assets multiple times on her other channel
>calling herself danchou
Not that anyone really cares but she's not exactly the model of good opsec.

Damn, she was fairly successful as a VSinger it seems. Is the RM channel successful at least? Or was this just pure retardation?

>>37258968
LOL Matsuri has good opsec? Really, anon?

>>37259003
Botan

>>37258710
You're embarrassing yourself already by being an ESL.

i didnt even know she was under a corpo but i loved her covers.

>>37259895
>>37259966
The difference is they say "oops" afterwards.

>>37259895
>has separate apartments for her Noel and roomate activities
>still manages to fuck up in the most basic things

>>37257948
Cocoa has to carry Riot Music from now on

>>37259974
No she doesn't, you retard.
They all stop using their personal vtuber models (if they had one) the minute they get accepted to Hololive.
The exception is Suisei, but she transfered the rights of Hoshimachi Suisei over to Cover when she joined Hololive in order to keep being her.

>>37260186
>Coco
Also
>The exception is Suisei, but she transfered the rights of Hoshimachi Suisei over to Cover when she joined Hololive in order to keep being her.
[citation needed]

>>37258935
It was probably just karaoke tracks of common JP songs provided by riot. Merely an honest mistake. It's not like she sang Saki original songs.

>>37260533
It might be but under the context of already breaking contract to stream as an indie vtuber isn't an honest mistake though. Retarded thing to get fired for but she's even more retarded for doing it.

>>37258516
774 is a small indie corpo with vast connection

>>37260446
>[citation needed]
Do you not understand how companies or IP work?
Go look at any official artwork of Suisei. Guess who's next to the copyright symbol, you stupid retard.

NOTHING BETTER FUCKING HAPPEN TO COCOA YOU BASTARDS

>>37259086
They an utaite group not a vtuber company, how many people still this stupid.

>>37258968
Yeah, their opsec is so good that anyone who was a fan of their rms gets to find out what Hololive is automatically through Twitter and/or Youtube recommendations.

>>37260690
anon.....
cocoa has already been..........
they better not mess with yuka
they better

>>37260690
>Riot management
>Not mistreating talents

>>37259567
She was the most popular girl on Riot. Pretty much the one who brought the kaigai audience into their fanbase. She was also the first one to branch out her activity outside of music with zatsudans, gaming and the likes. But, she's been getting shit since 2021 while the other girls has shit ton of things going for them WHILE she and cocoa MUST do long hours of utawaku almost everyday for a month or two.
She finally break last night (probably when they fired her) and this happened
>>37257858
>>37258181

>>37260725
That's just machine learning, it's impossible to avoid.

>>37260103
The name thing is really common, they pretty much all do it.
Funny to see their eyes go wide when they do though most don’t destroy their keyboard like Noel.

>>37260785
Yuka is save since she is the CEO's sugar baby

>>37259012
Didn’t coco already do that before?

>>37257948
https://twitter.com/riot_blitzwing
already erased kek

>>37258515
Worth it.

>>37259966
Matsuri is an insane fuckup but when it comes to opsec, you gotta give her a hand.

>>37260883
Mecha hayai

the whole riot got 200 million views from their songs, 90 million came from saki alone

>>37261043
Nice

>>37261043
You cheeky fuck

>>37260186
In Suisei's case, I think its joint-ownership. I think someone actually goes through Japan IP database and cannot find Suisei's. The art itself is probably owned by Cover, but the character design (as in the likeness, her name, etc) is owned by her.

It also kinda beg the question like what will happen if say, Suisei will break up from Cover. It probably will never happen, but it probably will be pretty messy since alot of her musics are owned by Cover, or at least partially-funded by Cover.

>>37257948
If they delete all her covers I swear to fucking god..
I'm gonna need to archive this shit aren't I?

them corpos killing their top performers

>>37261504
they will nuke her channel for sure, she is already gone on the twitter account >>37260883

>>37258515
>You'd lose Matsuri, Choco, Mel, Noel, AZKi, Robocco,
kek k bye
>Shion,
would suck but its worth it to get rid of calli

>>37257948
That is pretty much the end of her music career. Other corpos aren't gonna touch her after a statement like that cus it can cause beef between Brave Group and any other corpo who would take her. The Saki talent herself isn't even really anything special and it would make smarter sense to hire a new young upstart than hire her if I'm a CEO.

what's her rm yt channel? I like her covers and I'd love to support her in her next journey

>>37258968
>>37259895
>>37259966
It's more likely that Cover simply allows fleshtubing. If they're not vtubing on the side then they're not competing with the company, simple as. Opsec quality is probably unrelated since some of them have it paper thin, Mori basically does everything she possibly could to out herself other than outright saying it. And Kiara that weird moment where she outed herself in person to Joffrey because she wanted an autograph. I wonder if she had to get permission from management first, or they just let it slide, or they really didn't care.

>>37261761
Vshojo Japan it is.

>>37260880
Yeah, but she streamed on mildom, which is a literal "what?" compared to YT or Twitch.

>>37259239
>they've had that for years before they even joined Hololive regardless
No they haven't. Laplus got a new design after she jo8ned hololive and Roboco got one this summer, but she's not part of Lap's group.
Another thing about Laplus' group is that she debuted "brand new" "utaites" who unironically have roommates some of whom are vtubers
>They're not going to have rigged live2D models.
You know damn well they would if Laplus wasn't in hololive. They even got the first name+last name thing going on which has never been standard for utaites but it is for japanese vtubers.

>>37260712
The only thing that makes them not vtubers is not having moving avatars.

>she was looking to end her contract for a while already but locked in with a noncompete
>her own legal counsel told her the noncompete was illegal and thus void
Ok sounds fishy.
Noncompetes are void here too unless you are actually at risk of transferring trade secrets, which she can't do as just a vtuber. They're used to lock you into a company.

>>37258694
DCAU is capekino

>>37261851
It's pretty clear they just don't care. It's one of their selling points to get high profile people. There's a handful of people on their roster that simply would not have joined if contract conditions were overly strict.

>>37257948
Oh hey, this is the girl Laplus went to the Valorant event with. Laplus coincidentally got fired from ReAct for a similar thing.

>>37257948
>Posted about her birthday 12 hours before this

>>37261961
she graduated from Re:AcT, not terminated, though it's a fact that she hated her former employer.

>>37261914
Seems like a lot of bottom of the barrel vtuber companies throw in non-competes on the off chance the talents will be too intimidated to try and challenge them. What always ends up happening when the talents quit is they go do vtuber stuff anyway and the companies don't do anything because they'll likely lose in court and have lose the ability to even have those in their contracts.

>>37261805
Gawr gura ch

>>37261805
'Suzullan'

>>37262017
She was fired. She got the notice of her coming "graduation" mid-stream.
Just because she wasn't immediately terminated and erased doesn't mean she wasn't fired.

>ITT bootlickers who take the company's word as gospel
I bet you sheep also believe Coco graduated for the sake of talent freedom. Open your mouths a little wider, the fat turds of your favorite corporations are rather wide as of late. Ah, but it seems as though they've trained you well, you're at least getting paid to defend their honor on anonymous message boards, right?

>>37259294
They were already mutuals well before this shitstorm, btw.

>>37262208
I've never even heard of this company but this seems like a really easy thing to prove so them lying about it would be retarded. If her contract said she couldn't stream on her roommate and she did then she gets the consequences of breaching the contract.

>>37261155
>>37260842
I wonder if she's that corpo spearhead then why the mistreatments?

>>37258968
there's at least 3 times they mention their Hololive persona

>>37262017
>re:act
>graduating talents with grace
Lol. Lmao even. That company's as black as the sky, which is ironic given how they wanted to be Glittering Stars.

>>37262208
Cover is the one who doesn't have noncompetes though, as you can clearly tell from Coco and Mikecat. Noncompetes bar you during AND after the contract runs out.

>>37262335
>I've never even heard of this company
Truly the most informed /vt/ poster, RIOT is no stranger to putting their own interests first and letting the talents handle the fallout

>>37262208
You're a no one with eating shit on her mind. I think that says everything that needs to be said.

>>37262335
>I've never even heard of this company
Then why are you posting about the LITERAL blackest company to ever exist in vtubing history? Go do your archive reps on Unlimited and until then stop posting.

>>37261851
i think they won't mind at least their other vtuber persona is an indie and not employed by a company

>>37262335
>I've never even heard of this company but this seems like a really easy thing to prove so them lying about it would be retarded.
>he actually doesn't know

>>37262335
It's different here because they a re claiming noncompetes are legal while she, with legal counsel, is claiming they are not. Noncompetes are usually anti-employee to stop them from leaving so I am tending towards her here.

>>37262372
the fact that my beloved purplechama is under this company fills me with dread if they decide to oppress her.

>>37258710
she's probably getting sued into oblivion if she tries to get inside another corpo.

if she has a clause for not streaming as her rm, you can assume she also has a non compete

>>37259610
>twice
When? She """streamed""" once as is not did not stream at all and only called her long time friend for a special occasion.
When was the other time?

>>37262381
They still might, it's entirely possible Rushia's lawyers just told her "they terminated your contract, you can ignore this other part, if they want to fight it you'll win". Non-competes work on fear and ignorance. It's more likely they have a 1-year clause about joining another vtuber company since that's how long a certain someone sat out before they joined Vshojo. They had a mutual parting and probably stood to lose money on residual revenue if they violated that 1-year agreement. Rushia just got fired so she had nothing to lose.

>>37262500
She was trying to stream as another vtuber.
The noncompete is on shaky grounds, that's the issue here.

>>37262400
>>37262391
I don't care how black of a company it is. I don't care if she did it or didn't I'm just saying can't this be proven correct or incorrect by just looking at her roommate account and seeing if she has streamed on it after signing with them.
>>37262444
This makes more sense

>>37262500
The problem is testing the non competes in Japanese court.

>>37262500
if the lawyer is to be believed, the non-compete is unenforcable anyway and she an join a corpo right away if she wants, but knowing Brave Group themselves, they'll hurt her in different ways, like pulling a Johnny's over other corpos who dare to accommodate her.

>>37259067
doing it while in a black fucking company is just icing on the cake of retardation.

>>37262625
Why? It's already an illegal clause and has been for years in japan.

>>37257948
Good. Maybe learn to ask for permission first

this chuuba?
she looks like trouble

>>37262641
Brave does not have nearly enough sway in the vtuber world to do that. Aogiri is the only one that gets collabs with people, and even then that's pretty much entirely on the talents themselves and will likely follow them when they inevitably get fired too.

>>37262601
Again, shut up and do your reps. It's a 10 minute read.

>>37262652
Sorry that was my point. Maybe I didn't say it properly. I personally don't support brave at all.

>>37262515
>once as is not did not stream at all
Literally what did he mean by this

Yeah she fucked up.
She tried to migrate her audience from her Saki account to her roommate after telling Riot she won't extend her contract with them.
Say what you will about Riot as a company, it makes sense to nip this in the bud.

Read the rest of the statement, fags.

https://riot-music.com/info/2022/11/17/486/

Google translate:
>On the other hand, I would like to supplement the circumstances related to Saki Ashizawa for the past few months and explain the circumstances so far.

>First of all, in early September 2022, Mr. A made a request that he would like to cancel the contract at the end of September 2022 and retire from the cast of Saki Ashizawa.
>At that time, Mr. A argued that the non-compete obligation stipulated in the contract that has been concluded is illegal because it remains effective even after the contract is terminated. Thank you for your request to cancel.

>In response, after consulting with our company's legal counsel, we explained that we were aware that it was not illegal, along with the reasons for this. While pointing out that we could not respond to such a request, we also considered Mr. A's request and presented an alternative plan for relaxing the non-compete obligation.
>However, in response to this, Mr. A insisted, "I have already confirmed with a lawyer. Cancel all non-compete obligations because they are illegal." I would also like to discuss this with you." However, there was no contact from Mr. A's lawyer, and the situation continued without any progress.

>On the other hand, we have been preparing to hold Saki Ashizawa's birthday live several months before Mr. A's request to cancel the contract, and we will continue to hold the birthday live until the above-mentioned serious breach of contract is discovered. We had a system in place.

>Let me explain about Saki Ashizawa's birthday live. First of all, on October 23, 2022, Mr. A made a request, "I want you to decide to hold a birthday live at this point."
>However, in the first place, while discussions toward the end of the contract have not progressed at all, we cannot commit to the implementation without knowing when the activity will end.
>So, when I told Mr. A about it and replied, "I can't make any promises at this time," Mr. A made a request, "I want to stop the live performance."

>In addition, in the distribution after that, Saki Ashizawa repeatedly said that it was 100% our company's problem that the birthday live was not held, and made other statements that undermined our company's position and reputation. critics have also been confirmed.
As mentioned above, we have never decided not to hold a birthday live, and even after the contract was canceled or a request was made to ``not do the live,'' we still have the possibility of holding it until the end. We have prepared for that without throwing away.
>Until now, we have continued to wait and see in order to protect the honor and credibility of Saki Ashizawa and, by extension, Mr. A. However, in this regard, Mr. A's statement above is completely different from the truth, so we will deny it here. I will have it.

>Then, on October 24, 2022, we received a document (dated October 21, 2022) to the effect that Mr. A will be appointed as a lawyer, and after that, we communicated with each other through our lawyers. .

>In this exchange, although we have the view that the non-compete obligation stipulated in the contract is legally valid, we are only concerned about the leakage of our property and information. We have explained that we do not wish to hinder Mr. A's future activities, even if he belongs to a competing firm, and have presented further alternatives for the relaxation of the non-compete obligation.
>Also, during this negotiation, as mentioned above, if we can reach an agreement on the cancellation of the contract, we have clearly told Mr. A that we would like to hold the birthday live on a different date.

>However, while such negotiations are continuing, it is with great regret that Mr. A's act of serious breach of contract was discovered, leading to the termination of the contract.

>We sincerely apologize for causing concern and trouble to everyone who has supported Saki Ashizawa, and for the sudden announcement.
>To prevent similar incidents from occurring in the future, we intend to conduct more compliance education than ever before.

>Thank you for your continued support of RIOT MUSIC.

>doesn't know riot music
>even more doesn't know brave
>only know saki today
>even more doesn't know what she got shit treatment from management
this chuba bad

>>37262805
How does the whole statement change anything?
>blackest company
>illegal clauses
It's open and shut. The only thing in their favor are the 100% rightful using their licensed music and I'm not going to say "but that's not a big deal" because it fucking is, but nothing in their statement actually matters to any degree beyond that because of their own admission of contract terms that by definition can and likely will be challenged in court.

>>37262805
>Google translate:
Anon...just scroll down.

Man she was my favorite one . . . and they're deleting her content? fuck

lmao they overwork her then drop her the moment she starts losing her voice, i wonder how long they were waiting for her to slip up so they could finally fire her. that's what you get for working hard for people who don't give a shit about you.

Well I've been watching saki voice deteriorate over past 6 months. Certainly not helped by the daily stream requirements of blitz wing which started, if I remember, sometime around February.

>>37262805
Jesus they really are a black company.

>>37262934
I just woke up, forgive me...

We want to further be transparent about what has occurred with Person A regarding Saki Ashizawa over the last few months.

In early September, 2022, Person A informed us of their wishes to longer continue with their contract conducting activities as Saki Ashizawa. At this time, Person A motioned for us to rescind the non-competition agreement post-termination of contract, on the basis that this non-competition stipulation was illegal as it remained in effect after the termination of said contract.

After consulting with our lawyer, we offered to Person A our explanation that this was not an illegal stipulation and provided legal documentation as to why, as well as why we could not immediately revoke our contract. However, we wanted to take Person A’s desires into account and offered an alternative arrangement that would ease the non-competition clause.

Person A responded to our offer by saying “I have already consulted with my lawyer. Cancel the entire agreement as the non-competition stipulation is illegal.” We had responded to Person A by saying “Based on our explanation, we would like you to consult with your lawyer once again, and would appreciate their cooperation in discussions with our lawyer.” However we received no further response from Person A’s lawyer and the situation stagnated for some time.

Additionally, we had been preparing for several months to hold a special birthday live concert for Saki Ashizawa. Our team remained ready to put on this event until this serious breach of contract was discovered.

To further clarify about, Person A themselves informed us on October 23, 2022 “I would like the birthday live concert to be held at this particular time.” However, discussions about when to formally dissolve their contract had not continued, so we communicated to them it was impossible to commit to their requested time not knowing when Person A’s activities with SuperYellow Inc. would come to an end.

When we discussed this position with Person A and informed them of “not being able to commit to this timeframe,” they proposed the idea of simply “not holding the birthday live concert event.”

Following this, Person A as Saki Ashizawa on a publically viewable streaming broadcasted repeatedly claimed it was entirely RIOT MUSIC / SuperYellow Inc.’s fault the Saki Ashizawa birthday live concert was not held. Additionally, we were able to confirm they made a number of comments that undermined our reputation and unnecessarily critiqued the other members of RIOT MUSIC.

As we outlined above, at no time did SuperYellow Inc. decide to not hold this birthday live concert. Even after Person A informed us of their desire for contract termination, and them submitting “live event opt out” forums, we didn’t give up on the possibility of hosting this event until the very end.

We opted to remain quiet about these ongoing internal discussions in order to protect the credibility of our intellectual property, Saki Ashizawa and by extension Person A. At this point we have no choice but to state their claims are completely untrue, and we openly deny them.

The next day, October 24, 2022, SuperYellow Inc. received a letter (dated October 21, 2022) that Person A would only communicate through their lawyer going forward. From then on, our communications have been handled by our respective lawyers.

In our following correspondence, SuperYellow Inc. has maintained the view that the non-compete clause remains legal, however we have clearly clarified to Person A’s lawyer that our real concern was with the dissemination of SuperYellow Inc.’s assets and information and that in no way did we wish to interfere with Person A’s future activities even if they were to join a competing organization. To that end we presented further alternatives for easing the non-competition obligation.

We also reiterated to Person A’s lawyer that we would be open to holiday the aforementioned birthday live concert event if we could come to an agreement on a date for contract termination.

Unfortunately, while these negotiations were ongoing, we discovered Person A’s serious and ongoing breach of contract leading to the immediate dissolution of said contract.

To everyone that supported Saki Ashizawa until now we deeply apologize for potentially upsetting you with this information, and so suddenly at that. We are committing to further compliance training to ensure an incident like this does not occur again.

We appreciate your continued support of RIOT MUSIC.

>>37262922
>only
That's all Brave Group needs to win a court battle. The vtuber streaming on a noncompete clause is secondary and practically inconsequential to her posting those music videos on her suzullan yt account. This is like saying Saki did vehicular manslaughter while speeding and what Saki is trying to win on is that she wasn't speeding meanwhile she just killed somebody, guess what she's still going to jail whether she was speeding or not. The suzu account will be fought by Brave Group and there is no chance in hell she will win cus it's easy to prove music licenses.

>>37262922
"Person A conducted activities overly similar to Saki Ashizawa’s utilizing an outside VTuber model and name."
"Karaoke audio produced by SuperYellow Inc. had been utilized by Person A during their outside VTuber activity without explicit permission. The aforementioned karaoke audio was licensed and produced by SuperYellow Inc. explicitly to be used for Saki Ashizawa’s activities."

I don't know anything about Riot Music as a company, but imagine:
Mori tells Cover I am not renewing my contract. At the same time she starts streaming on her RM account with her Mori model, just with red hair while singing her Mori songs.
U'd be screaming for her firing instantly.

>>37262768
Brain damage. Point was Marine did not stream on her roommate or any other personality.

>>37258335
>So there are non-compete clauses after all so the bigger companies should also have it as well
wrong

>>37263364
She didn't use the same model "with red hair", no idea where you're getting that from. Also it seems she was using generic karaoke tracks commissioned by Riot, not her original songs. That's still stupid but not the same thing.

>>37263397
Makes sense that smaller companies who cannot offer as much to their employees would have them to keep them from leaving. Big ones can keep them in simply by all the things they provide.

>>37263314
That "win" will just be cancelling a contract she wanted out of anyway. If they can't enforce the noncompete and don't even try because it's quite frankly legally dubious, what exactly did they achieve? Pick up a few bucks for a contract cancellation fee?

So what they can get her on using the backing track without permission but not the NDA I don't see how that will block suzu. Maybe it will cost her some money.

History lesson for all the people not in the know:

Brave Group was formerly Unlimited Inc, who in 2019 committed the ultimate taboo in the VTuber world. They used to manage Gamebu, one of the top VTuber groups in the industry. The talents leaked on personal Twitter accounts on how badly they were being treated behind the scenes; Unlimited responded by firing them all and hiring replacements for Gamebu. Their defense was that Gamebu weren't VTubers but CTubers (character YouTubers) and that it didn't matter who was behind the avatar. Fans were pissed and Gamebu's popularity pretty much died after that incident.

2020, Unlimited axed a decent chunk of management and rebranded to Brave Group. But it looked like this didn't matter since current management didn't learn any lessons from what happened with former management. This company's cursed. Any fans of Riot Music, Aogiri, VSPO, or Palette Project, keep your eyes peeled.

>>37257948
Cover should follow suit especially mori, kronii and kiara.

>>37263548
>Bora left one black company for another

>>37259953
same question. i hope somebody answers
or at least let us know if the RM is a vtuber or not lol

>>37263490
Brave Group would do it simply to keep their talents in check and in compliance of their signed contracts. Of course the money doesn't matter to a big corpo they just want to protect their IP's which would be a smart move to fight Saki in court. It basically sends a message to anyone signed under Brave Group to not fuck with us.

>>37261690
Fuck you! Leave my kusogaki out of this

Just read the thread retard chamas

>>37262422
>This
Most of the companies wouldn’t care as long as you don’t sign other contracts or do something retarded like this girl

>>37259086
post the source right now faggot

>>37257948
literally who
is this even a vtuber?

Everyone saying literally who in this thread go kys she's great

Is she any good? Someone link her best.

>>37263948
Is she’s brave equivalent of Russia? She’s pretty big and most popular in riot

>>37259012
So you mean AZKI? Who literally got a new model on her other account even after she was brought in to Hololive proper instead of that INNK abortion of a project.
>>37261864
>moving goalposts
Okay. Argument invalid.
And loads of them PNGtube as well. God forbid the meltdown here if a certain small bratty demon from a 6th generation gets an L2D for her recent music project.

>>37264036
What she did is nothing compared to what miguel did. Retards love commenting and giving "hot takes" about things that they know nothing about on the internet, as usual.

>>37264036
she carried riot through their hardest time because of gamebu drama, so she is more like sora of riot(but with menhera)

>>37260690
If they touch Suzuna any more I'll be the one rioting. I already lost her radio shows, I won't lose anything else.

>>37264138
Why did she stop her radio show? Was it a personal problem?

>>37259863
>>37259953
>>37263730
>>37261805
>>37262781
>>37264027
Somebody included links to her roommate in the other board >>>/jp/41787846

How stupid can you be? She is mentioned a dozen times on this thread.

>>37263436
>but imagine

>>37263548
I'm still pissed the bought VSPO.
They are slowly going to destroy the group by micro-managing fucktards in management.

>>37264421
they already started ruining it by suspending Beni and Noah for trivial shit.

>>37264520
What did Beni and Noah do?

>>37264164
No one really knows, she rebranded her personal channel to METEOPOLIS and stopped doing anything that wasn't covers

>>37262356
maybe pillow stuff
that corpo is shit after all

>>37264520
That was before Brave bought VSPO

>>37257948
>Riot Music
Don't gonna lie I thought Riot Music was related with Riot Games

>>37265238
Riot announced vtubers and 'nothing' came from it
Oh it's just a heckin' cohencidence that after a scandal this rebranded group with bug investors claimed the name Riot Music when Riot Games Music exists (both using amateur japanese singers)
What do you mean they're collabing with Chinks? I-it's nn-normal Mizuki hangs around with the japs all the time! (she doesn't)

Are there anons working on archiving her songs?

>>37264164
the numberniggers said:
"hey this channel has more subs, lets launch the project here"
"but sir, this channel belongs to a talent already"
"so?"
Fuck brave group

>>37257948
Huh, I have stumbled upon some of her covers and they were pretty good, but I thought it's just utaite with anime avatar. That being said how fucking dumb you have to be to use licensed audio on other account.

>>37257948
>SuperYellow inc.
Do japs really?

>>37265930
theres less than 5GB of music videos on her channel anon

>>37259235
I thought the company forced them to stream daily.

Isn't she related to laplus?

>>37258968
Kiara streamed on her rm account using her chicken voice and once accidentally referred to herself as "Kiara" too.

>>37262356
legitimate black company shenanigans, probably office politics favoring other talents

Can't imagine any other sensible reason why they forced her Birthday LIVE out of her original schedule only to schedule another talent's LIVE on the same day. Seems really mean and petty move.

>>37261872

>The only thing that makes them not vtubers is...

and so they aren't vtubers, thanks for agreeing.

>>37266615
The termination was clearly done out of spite.

>>37257948
I listened to some of her covers in 2020 and thought "hmm, maybe I should become a fan, she's got a nice voice". I'm glad I didn't, supporting indies and small vtubers only leads to heartache when they inevitably graduate or get terminated

>>37264633
Noah got pissed off with another VSPO member and tweeted about it. It was a minor thing that could have been resolved if they talked about it together and Noah regretted it immediately deleting the tweet soon after she made it and apologizing. But the fact that she tweeted it for everyone instead of confronting the other member personally or involving management and that the tweet contained a personal conversation between her and the other member caused her to be suspended for 2 weeks.

>>37267003
What was she upset about? Who was in the wrong?

I want to have impregnation sex with Yuka

>>37267032
Upset at Qpi and Runa over something. I can't remember specifically why.
I think it was involving not being notified of something or some dumb shit along those lines.

>>37267032
Something minor like getting frustrated trying to organize a collab with the other member. Really nothing at this point in time as it seems to have been fixed, Noah must have been really tired or something that day for her to have a lapse of professionalism.

>>37267288
>>37267298
wasn't it because they ghosted her discord messages, and the whole senpai kohai autism, so she leaked the dms? so vspo used the leaked dms as justification to suspend her?

>>37266800
My god, if this shit is the norm, no wonder Hologirls are pretty comfortable with Hololive and that's already a pretty low bar

>>37262009
Oh man, that just makes me sad.
>She knew she was breaking her contract
The patriarchy is supposed to save women from themselves, inshallah. It's like blaming a cat for clawing the couch when there aren't scratch posts around.

>>37257948
Drama Company

Hololive or Nijisanji should take her. She's actually talented.

>>37262356
they did this to game-bu too
looks like they never changed

It's Yozakura Tama all over again.

>>37257948
This garbo company has been trying to get rid of her for quite a while
use google translate if you care

they're doing that japanese thing where they don't fire you, but they start fucking with you until you quit or "slip up" but not actually

>>37267778

>>37267799
the speed at which they operate, I've no doubt that they had this made in preparation long before they fired her

Wow what a way to destroy all the good will they managed to get back after what they did to fuma and pals and old Cocoa. Hopefully new Cocoa and pals riots.

All those good Saki cover to be flushed down a toilet. Stupid Japanese vtuber drama.

AAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THEM FOR THIS

>>37267419
This is I think one of the reasons Holopro has a general rule that special events have an exclusive timeslot. That way no fanbase for any of the talents regardless if they are the biggest or the smallest can feel that their oshi is being sidelined on their special day.

>>37259110
Except the girls and boys in hololive have. It’s more that Hololive and it’s managers know that it’s to blow off steam, to complain about working for them while tiddycamming

>>37257948
>Karaoke audio produced by SuperYellow Inc. had been utilized by Person A during their outside VTuber activity without explicit permission
Why the fuck would you even do that?

Wow she's that chuuba I see on my recommended all the time. Never bothered to click on her covers, but this is quite sad.

>>37264164
Her case is another example why this company is shit
>Debut new talent
>instead of having her channel grow slowly like the rest of them, merged it with the existing talent's channel (suzuna)
>be suzuna, built her channel and fanbase from ground up
>do a gfe lite content with her radio and regularly throw bait at kaigainikki
>actually passionate about learning english and happy to interact with her EOPs
>channel got trans into a unit channel with a new talent that only debut for less than a mont

>>37268407
The same reason why a certain Ms. R. leaked info to gossip vlogger.

>>37261690
>Calli

>>37268454
She seems to did on purpose out of spite for how shitty they've been treating her like shit for the past few months despite her being their break out talents that elevated their shitty brand outta the gutter after the whole gamebu fuckery

>>37268449
>more examples of why companies are shit

>>37258515
Totally worth it to get rid of the pink whore.

Whoever on charge with these shitty decision should choke on a cow balls. Reminds me a lot of my boss. Comes up with shitty ideas, gives out impossible tasks then blames the people that try hard to make things happen.

>>37257948

Riot Music is a music agency under Brave Group. aka Unlimited Inc. aka Game Club Project(Gamebu)

That's a shitty company who overworks their talents

>>37259393
No, Vshojo Japan

>>37259235
those fucking company who sits their asses all day waiting for the girls paypig donation

>>37260000
Why tho? That anon knows 1 more language than you

>>37267822
Did they plan ahead to sack Saki from the beginning? wtf Riot

>>37258968
>These people have good opsec though
Nigga, do you even know what this word means?

I was gonna say
>Literally who
But even though I never watched her I realized I have a bunch of her covers on my playlist. Fuck.

>>37262208
I'll never get over how Coco was so obviously shitcanned, she literally said she didn't want to graduate but still made up a nice reason why she was "quitting" in order to not make a bigger controversy to protect the brand and her friends' jobs, and /vt/sisters hate her for "betraying" the blue triangle. It's the most absurd corporate cocksucking I've ever seen.

Time to archive all of her cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55lpME9EAkM

>>37268449
I will never forgive them for taking away suzuna radio

>>37262805
>google translate in 2022

>>37270164
Corpos be retarded like that. It's a never ending circular firing squad that only continues because fresh people keep standing in line to join.

I discovered her from her Daybreak's Bell cover, what a fucking shame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29IOb0sctHI

>>37262381
Kson joined Vshojo exactly one year after her graduation, there was obviously some clause preventing her from joining another corpo right after graduating.

>>37258515
Wtf riot music black company

>>37258515
and nothing of value was lost

I even downloaded most of her karaoke stream even before her model upgrade

feels like I predicted that she's gonna graduate in the future

>>37271002
It's a coincidence. Vshojo already had a panel at AX booked before Kson was on board.

>>37270602
people call her out when she joining Vshojo betraying her own worlds tho, why are you lying ?

>>37272097
*words
auto correct

>>37257948
Fuck.
I really love her covers.

>>37272097
What words

>>37272188
she said she wouldn't join company and when people questioning her when joined Vshojo, she went "akshually Vshojo is not really a company and i still indie"

>>37267822
>>37270164
>Remove layer containing her picture
>Shuffle the remaining girls closer
>Done
That's like a five minute effort.

>>37272097
>>37272462
How can you claim that she said something deceptive when you have such a poor grasp of the English language? You can't even type in past tense.

And why don't Japanese people hate her for this "betrayal"? They can actually understand what she says without having to rely on narratives and shit translations from weird tribalfags. It's literally just broken English ESLs who are mad at her.

>>37258308
time for our Messiah to do her thing

>>37272614
>And why don't Japanese people hate her for this "betrayal"?
how do you know ? her gachikoi will stay and people who feel betrayed will leave simple as that, and the entire point is no one calling her out when she quit Hololive only when she joined Vshojo, so again why are you lying ?

>>37260833
Wait they're a black company?
Evidence for your rrat? I am curious now

>>37273042
>how do you know ?
I know Japanese and participate in Japanese vtuber fan communities. None of them have this made up shit about her promising to stay an indie forever. She never said that. Trolls don't even bait with anything remotely similar to that. It's purely an EOP narrative stemming from a bad translation or just completely made up, I don't know which. Feel free to post proof in this thread and prove me wrong.

>>37273042
>>37273289
Taiwan yab is your answer. Mainland zhangs wants people to hate her that’s all there is to it.

>>37273477
Partially, but the main factor is that false narratives spread really easily among EOPs and they will believe them forever even without any proof at all behind them. And there are a lot around Coco/Kson for some reason. Like a huge amount of people actually think she is in Hololive because she applied to be a staff member rather than auditioning to be a streamer like every other talent. I don't even know where that one came from. Probably a random joke she made one time.

>>37258124
Future VShojoJP

>>37273289
i never said she made promise to stay indie forever but joining other company is basically going against her own words because how she always whine about "company have too many rules", which is why she made that stream answering people question after she joined Vshojo to "explain" to people and to cope with "Vshojo is not really a company and i still indie"
you still don't answer my question, why are you lying ?

>>37273958
she never said that either

>>37273958
>she always whine about "company have too many rules"
Proof next thread?
>she made that stream answering people question after she joined Vshojo
I have a feeling that you don't get upset when new Hololive debuts tell their fans why they joined Hololive.

>>37273764
>Probably a random joke she made one time.
Didn't it come from one of her eurotruck streams or something like that

>>37258515
sounds good to me

>>37274103
meh i don't have enough time for your bullshit, i only call you out for lying, saying as if people hate her for betrayed them for leaving Hololive not because she joined Vshojo, keep trying to move the goalpost faggot

>>37274421
You Ksonschizos never have the time to post proof. Weird.

>>37259865
>Though maybe the rules were different back then
Just look at AZKi for a bit, if the rules are any different then they are less tight than before

>>37257948
Come on now, I like Saki the most out of all the Riot girls...

>>37273089

As explained on the thread, RIOT Music is owned by Brave Group, formerly Unlimited Inc. They were the people behind Game Club Project (Gamebu) that crashed and burned for...wait for it...being a Black Company that mistreats talents and then recasts characters when talents tell them to fuck off.

>>37258968
>These people have good opsec though
lol, lmao even

>>37259086
>VTuber

>>37274509
>Ksonschizos
bold of you assume that i care about her enough to be her schizo, so should i call you Holoschizo for that lie ?

>>37257948
Based. Hololive should do this so Mori and La+ can't be such blatant leeches.

>>37257948
guess she was unhappy with the terms of her contract

if you like a vtuber always back them up, you never know when someone will SD in this business

>>37274875
I literally haven't said a single negative thing about Hololive.

I hope Kamitsubaki picks her up. They are quite literally the best studio for Vsingers right now.

sasuga doxbeats

>>37257948
Based. This should be standard practice for every Vtuber company.

>>37274776
What kind of mistreatment did management do to Gamebu?

>>37275712
Anon, seriously? If you are aware of the existence of Gamebu then surely you must have heard of the scandal somewhere somehow?

>>37275450
Retard that says based to anything without knowing any actual facts. Please just fuck off.

>>37257948
>>37275379
Blame nignogtsubaki for this, yet another vsinger ruined by kaminignogs

>>37275712
Overworked and abused the talents and then fired and replaced them when they complained

>>37259352
lol
nobody wants to get on the sinking ship that is nijisanji

>>37276058
abused them how exactly?

>>37276162
Just check the archive. Im sure you'll find plenty of info.

>>37276162
https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/kp728d/fans_fantasy_and_vice_why_the_gamebu_controversy/

4ch archive fking sucks on their keyword

f

Are non-compete clauses ever legal really?
Seems like 99% of the time corps get laughed out of court when trying to use them in pretty much every country

>>37276925
it isn't. brave is just bullshitting when they insisted that their non-compete against Saki is legal

>>37276925
>Are non-compete clauses ever legal really?
Only when there are trade secrets on the table that might fuck with your old company and/or benefit another company iirc. Irrelevant when it comes to puppeteers.

>>37277018
>>37277181
Doesn't putting a clause everyone knows is worthless into a contract threaten the entire contract's power?
Like if part of it is obviously bullshit that should surely affect even the legitimate clauses

>>37277714
Probably, but they don't care since they won't get challenged in court anyway.
System working as intended, by the way.

>>37259003
Mel's roommate is a vtuber

>>37277714
Kinda, sorta. You can refuse to sign such a contract on the basis of it containing an illegal clause and such a contract would most likely be deemed void by any court, but most people don't care or just sign them knowing that if anything happens it won't stand 5 minutes in a court

>>37266019
Is that law in Japan? You can't cover songs unless you license them even if you're indie?

>>37278657
>You can't cover songs unless you license them even if you're indie?
That's the law worldwide. The difference is not in the law but in the social expectation and the willingness to enforce.

>>37259086
roboco is not even a part of it and its a singer group

>>37278694
Wait so your saying covers are illegal in the US if you don't license it?

>>37277714
contracts are usually worded ina way that countersuing becomes a hassle to the signee involved. this is the reason why SLAPP lawsuits exist and Japan doesn't have countermeasures against such tactics unfortunately.

who cares she is not even a good singer
Cocoa and Iori are way better than her

>>37261504
if you archive it please put the link in here or /grave/

>>37278657
>>37278694
>>37278866
Specifically in the US you don't technically "licenses" a song for a cover you basically just notify the songs owner of your intentions then pay whats called a mechanical license which is basically a set rate royalty fee you don't need the artist or owners permission either in the US because fortunately or not a songs owner can not deny you the right to perform the cover once notice of intention has been given and the royalty fee gets paid

>>37257948
No one cares or knows who this

WHAT??? IT'S OVER. SAKI!!!

>>37258342
Fuck, why the coolest girls are always so fucking dumb????

>>37262009
Saki...

who the fuck calls their company Super Yellow Inc. ?? Literally an asian company calling themselves "super yellow" that's funny. At least they have a sense of humor, or maybe they are just very dum

So can they actually make her delete her alternate accounts? Apparently they already asked her lawyer to do that.

Guess we wont be hearing anything from Saki until the legal battle is over.

>>37280665
All their points went into being cool without any points in being smart

>>37282635
No. They can get her to delete the stuff they own, yes, but they can't get her to kill her actual own accounts she made.
That's like some of those scummy companies that would say they have ownership of ANYTHING you work on when you are under their employment, even things in your own time. (yes, some companies tried to pull that shit)

>>37266615
Om her rm's birthday stream, right? I remember that.
To be fair, she cut that out of the VOD.

>>37259086
>roboco
This is the most retarded post I've ever seen. She has nothing to do with it.

>>37285369
Oh, I was going to say the same thing earlier but I had to go. Thank you for making my post.
I was so fucking confused I actually went and listened to all of their voices again just to confirm my thoughts.

>>37261690
There are dozens more than he listed, those were just the ones that do it the most. They would literally lose 70% of their talents.