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>shitty alternate costume design
>got RIGGED, still not fixed yet, probably won't be fixed
>overall mediocre cover of her favorite meme song despite a decent vocal performance on her part

she's going to lose it soon

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>t fixed yet, probably won't be fixed
>>overall mediocre cover of her favorite meme song despite a decent vocal performance on her part
>she's going to lose it soon

>> No.3713937

>>3713917
cumbud meltdown

>> No.3714029

>>3713917
go back to /qa/

>> No.3714443

I hope she lashes out at Enma and gets her replaced.

>> No.3714526

>>3713765
Bros, why are the motherfuckers in cover making her so dirty... shitty rigging on BOTH of her models (her default model had shitty rigging at the beginning I believe), two not so good covers in a row.

Can this people make anything right?

>> No.3714576

I want to fuck the fish

>> No.3714599

ogey

>> No.3714639

>>3714526
She doesn't care about Hololive, so why should they care about her?

>> No.3714684

>>3714639
if they cared about her she might start caring. she had bad rigging from the start and maybe this demotivated her

>> No.3714748

>>3714639
Shitty bait, here's your (You)

>> No.3714801

>>3714748
>CONSTANTLY selfishly overlaps with her holoEN co-workers who unlike her actively avoid doing this
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>doesn't bother addressing JP holos with honorifics
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>barely tweets out to them, only belated after noticing every other holoEN already did so
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>literally says "Who?" when Towa is named
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>no effort to do JP collabs, doesn't form connections with them during mass collabs
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>refuses to thank people for 1m subs, doesn't hold a celebration at all
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>selfishly has only herself on the twitter banner instead of the group of 5 like EVERY OTHER holoEN
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>selfishly overlaps with the biggest holoJP event because she cares so little about hololive she probably doesn't even know it's happening
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>doesn't show up in Ollie's debut stream despite virtually EVERYONE from holoEN (minus her) to Daisenpai Sora appearing
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>spams gawrt retweets on twitter immediately after Ollie debut instead of, you know, greeting her kohais or something
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>randomly decides to overlap with IDgen2 post-debut party with a fucking guerilla stream just to fuck with them
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>literally such a sociopathic, psychopathic bitchcunt she straight up doesn't bother calling in for her genmates BIRTHDAY because she was too lazy to wake up at fucking noon (!)
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>naturally skips genmate's outfit reveals as well and never bothers tweeting about them like literally everyone else
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>"music production" involves her shitting out vocals and sending them to a mixer and then completely forgetting about it and never even bothering to advertise the product beyond 1 lazy retweet by her "partner"
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>actually unironically fine with her shitty abomination of a new model because noticing its flaws would require giving a shit about hololive
J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!

>> No.3714818

>>3713765
The song isn't really her fault. They had to autotune her because the others can't sing so Gura could not be the only one not autotuned.
About the rigging, I genuinely don't understand. I'm seeing random no-name indies with good rigging.

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>>CONSTANTLY selfishly overlaps with her holoEN co-workers who unlike her actively avoid doing this
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>doesn't bother addressing JP holos with honorifics
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>barely tweets out to them, only belated after noticing every other holoEN already did so
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>literally says "Who?" when Towa is named
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>no effort to do JP collabs, doesn't form connections with them during mass collabs
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>refuses to thank people for 1m subs, doesn't hold a celebration at all
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>selfishly has only herself on the twitter banner instead of the group of 5 like EVERY OTHER holoEN
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>selfishly overlaps with the biggest holoJP event because she cares so little about hololive she probably doesn't even know it's happening
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>doesn't show up in Ollie's debut stream despite virtually EVERYONE from holoEN (minus her) to Daisenpai Sora appearing
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>spams gawrt retweets on twitter immediately after Ollie debut instead of, you know, greeting her kohais or something
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>randomly decides to overlap with IDgen2 post-debut party with a fucking guerilla stream just to fuck with them
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>literally such a sociopathic, psychopathic bitchcunt she straight up doesn't bother calling in for her genmates BIRTHDAY because she was too lazy to wake up at fucking noon (!)
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>naturally skips genmate's outfit reveals as well and never bothers tweeting about them like literally everyone else
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>"music production" involves her shitting out vocals and sending them to a mixer and then completely forgetting about it and never even bothering to advertise the product beyond 1 lazy retweet by her "partner"
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!
>>actually unironically fine with her shitty abomination of a new model because noticing its flaws would require giving a shit about hololive
>J-JUST A JOKE! SHE CARES ABOUT HOLOLIVE!

>> No.3714945

>>3714801
damn dude did you have this typed out and ready to copypasta in gura threads?

most of those complaints are because she's dumb and airheaded, not because she's malicious or selfish. shitting on id is kinda based though i doubt that it's intentional, she just doesn't pick up on social cues. the towa thing seems kinda shitty depending on when it happened. if it was shortly after debut, it's not a big deal. there are a lot of holos.

>> No.3715027

>>3713765
The reason for both of those things is shark is too easy to please. She needs to learn to say no.

>> No.3715031

>>3714833
someone explain this ugly stretched reddit face meme to me. what is to supposed to convey or imply?

>> No.3715038

>>3714801
autism

>> No.3715041

>>3714801
>refuses to thank people for 1m subs, doesn't hold a celebration at all
stopped reading here

also holy autism , get a life you faggot

>> No.3715136

>>3715027
Maybe she can't say no, because she's an introvert

>> No.3715153

>>3713765
>>overall mediocre cover of her favorite meme song despite a decent vocal performance on her part

Like every song from Cover, they fuck up the mixing on voices because they are cheap retarded fucks that probably listen to the song with Thinkpad speakers or free earbuds. Since the monkeys of the nuke crater are too dumb for amps and dacs we should at least send them some Grados

>> No.3715203

>>3714801
cumsharts CANNOT refute this

Reminder that they unironically thought missing a birthday stream of a genmate out of laziness was ok.

>> No.3715224

>>3715153
Maybe they'd be better at mixing if you talked like a normal human being instead of a fucking schizo.

>> No.3715253

>>3715136
Regardless of why no one can do it for her. It's up to her.

>> No.3715296

>>3715203
whose birthday?

>> No.3715298

>>3715203
Yeah totally, no one else has done the same before haha, only gura haha. Mori who?

>> No.3715329 [DELETED] 

>>3714801
Are you sure you aren't talking about Mori? Except for collabing with some jp holos everything else is true for her

>> No.3715359

>>3714526
Bro have you seen Subaru? She's been around for god knows how long and all of her models still have SHIT tracking.

>> No.3715366

>>3714801
They cant refute this

>> No.3715377

>>3715359
And whose fault is that???

>> No.3715394

>>3715377
mine

>> No.3715412

>>3715224
The amount of autotune in some of their songs is disgusting. We have to admit

>> No.3715511

>>3715031
It's called an addiction anon.. this saviorfag is long gone

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>>3714801
so this means she became the most subscribed hololive member, the most subscribed EN vtuber, the 2nd most subscribed vtuber, top 3 vtuber in live views in the world and held the stream with most live views in the history of vtubers, without even trying?

>> No.3724399

>>3713765
Why does this thread exist? Just another day of chumflake meltdown mixed when if bunch of anti posters coming in to shit on your oshi

>> No.3724401

>>3714801
They hated him because he spoke the uncomfortable truth

>> No.3724630

>>3715412
They use autotune like a drag queen uses makeup because hololive only has like 3 actual singers. Best covers you will ever hear from Gura are the ones clippers rip strait from her vods because all she needs is reverb and the bgm to be good. Suisei is the same way. Her live performances are so much better than her released songs.

>> No.3724647

>>3714801
>>3715041
>>3715038
>autism
Only refute cumbuds have

>> No.3724792

>>3724647
Fitting for 85% of their fanbase replying with something they identify perfectly with

>> No.3725044

>>3714801
You are missing the wojack

>> No.3725160

>>3714801
kek

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>>3724630
good thing we have polkino to bring us a proper studio experience
https://files.catbox.moe/tf77y6.webm

>> No.3726260

>>3725474
I don't follow Polka much. What is this?

>> No.3726268

>>3714801
Okay Kiara, I don’t hate you, so stay out of imageboards

>> No.3726532

>>3714801
holy rrats on top of lies on top of schizophrenia
>doesn't care about hololive because banner image
kek

>> No.3726679

>>3724647
They're the experts.

>> No.3727233

>>3714801
I’m ready to copypasta this shit on every Gura thread anon. Gold right here, cumbuds in shambles

>> No.3727537 [DELETED] 

>>3714801
Please understand. Shark is an alcoholic.

>> No.3727674

>amelia
>streaming right now
>actively posting on tw@tter
>gura
>hasn't streamed in 4 days
>has only gone on tw@tter to rt a few fanarts
Gura's going to have a breakdown on the podcast isn't she
In fact, it's going to be cancelled isn't it

>> No.3727724

>>3727674
>>hasn't streamed in 4 days
please understand...

>> No.3727745

>>3727674
No, Gura will ditch last minute and it will become an Amemori collab.

>> No.3727795

>>3715394
based

>> No.3727832

>>3715153
The vocals rarely sit in the mix well in the Hololive songs; it sounds amateur, which is saying a lot given how JP musicians are perfectionists to a ridiculous degree
Even their indie artists will try to get their home recordings to sound pro studio quality
Holo's stuff sounds like it was mixed by someone who has never used a compressor and just uses EQ to crank the high frequencies to an ear splitting level

>> No.3727973

>>3727745
Please be true
Mori is way more entertaining

>> No.3729273

>>3714443
She's managed by Jenma.

>> No.3729350

>>3714801
Chumbros... He's right...

>> No.3729750

>>3714801
>CONSTANTLY selfishly overlaps with her holoEN co-workers who unlike her actively avoid doing this
Agreed. thats shitty
>doesn't bother addressing JP holos with honorifics
who cares? honorifics are gay and cringe when you aren't a nip
>barely tweets out to them, only belated after noticing every other holoEN already did so
social media is gay
>literally says "Who?" when Towa is named
kek
>no effort to do JP collabs, doesn't form connections with them during mass collabs
shy girl. fags on this site couldn't form a relationship with a squirrel in the park, let alone another human
>refuses to thank people for 1m subs, doesn't hold a celebration at all
didn't do one for her roomate account when it happened either. its not that big of a deal to her
>selfishly has only herself on the twitter banner instead of the group of 5 like EVERY OTHER holoEN
Literally only Kiara has done this
>selfishly overlaps with the biggest holoJP event because she cares so little about hololive she probably doesn't even know it's happening
Agreed. this is shitty.
>doesn't show up in Ollie's debut stream despite virtually EVERYONE from holoEN (minus her) to Daisenpai Sora appearing
Agreed. shitty
>spams gawrt retweets on twitter immediately after Ollie debut instead of, you know, greeting her kohais or something
Agreed. should support others on days like that
>randomly decides to overlap with IDgen2 post-debut party with a fucking guerilla stream just to fuck with them
NOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN POST DEBUT PARTY!!!!
who cares?
>literally such a sociopathic, psychopathic bitchcunt she straight up doesn't bother calling in for her genmates BIRTHDAY because she was too lazy to wake up at fucking noon (!)
You dont know what happened off stream. maybe she promised to do something later. are you a women that cares about specifics about birthdays? call your friend later. you don't need to be on stream to be happy for someone
>naturally skips genmate's outfit reveals as well and never bothers tweeting about them like literally everyone else
Agreed. she should be more supportive of her genmates
>"music production" involves her shitting out vocals and sending them to a mixer and then completely forgetting about it and never even bothering to advertise the product beyond 1 lazy retweet by her "partner"
>has the best voice in HoloEN
>watch as they completely shit up your favorite song.
>expecting to promote it
nigger, I wouldn't either
>actually unironically fine with her shitty abomination of a new model because noticing its flaws would require giving a shit about hololive
why would you do this? if she did what you said, you would shit on her for being a bitch. fuck off

>> No.3729823

Barracudas get the pole.

>> No.3729866

She still has the most subs, and she got her whole gen to sing her favorite song.

>> No.3730028

>literally such a sociopathic, psychopathic bitchcunt she straight up doesn't bother calling in for her genmates BIRTHDAY because she was too lazy to wake up at fucking noon (!)
whose birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 was it ame? is this why gurame is dead

>> No.3730990

>>3729866
gurame was never alive to begin with

>> No.3731077

>>3730028
She was the only one who didn't call in for Mori's birthday (a Hololive tradition)

>> No.3731273

>>3731077
Guess who didn't call on Ame's birthday (Kiara at least did something for her on minecraft)

>> No.3731323

>>3714801
Gura really is getting more hate than Kiara nowsaday.

>> No.3731335

>>3731273
Ame didn't even organize call-ins retard. Mori did forget and got deservedly shit on for it, but at least it wasn't the equivalent of not showing up after receiving an invitation card.

>> No.3731488

>>3726260
It's a cover song that Polka did back in the day using her own money. Showing us all how it's done.

>> No.3731575

>>3731335
>not showing up after receiving an invitation card.
mori wasn't expecting her at all so the equivalent would actually be calling in advance saying you can't go

>> No.3731694

She took a break to visit her family, that's why she hasn't streamed for 4 days. If anything, I expect she'll be happier and more energized and motivated now.

>> No.3731774

>>3731488
Based clown

>> No.3731907
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>>3714801
Cumchuds literally SEETHING at this post because it speaks the 100% truth about their shitty obnoxious reddit shark and they can't handle it.

>> No.3732019

>>3731694
Her family is dead faggot

>> No.3732261

>>3729750
I can't justify her behavious. What do I do?
Oh I know! "That's gay I don't care".
Brilliant!

>> No.3732377

>>3731694
>gura
>motivated

>> No.3732454

>>3732261
It’s the truth. Cope
Honorifics are cringe when you’re not a nip
Social media (when not a reveal or event) is supremely gay

Refute this.

>> No.3732529

>>3731907
>how many buzzwords can I fit into a post?: the post

>> No.3732854

>>3731907
Ogey

>> No.3732910

>>3723799
Yes, she is just a living meme, she didn't trying to do any fucking thing and cumkeks needs to cope saying "she is cute", "she is funny" or just "she is talented", what fucking talent she has ? All the talent she used to have is being either limited by the management or she just doesn't care enough to even try something different.

>> No.3732993

>>3714639
>>3714801
>>3715203
>>3715366
>>3724401
>>3724647
>>3727233
>>3727674
>>3729350
>>3730028
>>3731907
>>3732261
meds can't save you schizochama

>> No.3733051

>>3714801
based meme shark

>> No.3733239

Gura is finished. She'll never be the face of HololiveEN let alone Hololive as a whole.

>> No.3733287

>>3732993
Talking from experience? Cope.

>> No.3733356

>>3733239
Seethe chink

>> No.3733492

>>3733239
Factually true since Cover already decided to make Mori that because she's not a lazy, useless, nihilist piece of shit.

>> No.3733683

>>3733287
>he tells ME to cope
You seem to be seething quite a bit. Is it because you know that nothing you say or do will ever affect Gura or how I think of her in any way, and that she'll still be one of the most subscribed vtubers and loved by her fans and coworkers and there is absolutely nothing you can do about that?

>> No.3733702

>>3733492
you wish cuckbeat

>> No.3733818

>>3733683
Of course this doesn't affect Gura but in fact, even herself knows she achieved all of this without doing anything and even herself recognizes she doesn't give a flying fuck about Hololive. The only ones that don't accept it are cumkeks like you.

>> No.3733929

>>3731907
Cumsharts literally cannot stop losing. They post BIG SUB NUMBER while gura's important numbers stagnate and they beg their mom for another gift card to send Supas with.

>> No.3733958

>>3733702
When's Gura getting hired to sing an official Hololive song for official Hololive products?? Soon right?

>> No.3734001

I think Gura cares about Hololive that much because she's gone viral multiple times long before she was apart of Hololive and she knows if she leaves Hololive she can go back to Senzawa and all the chumbuds will follow, She doesn't need Hololive EN, Hololive EN needs her and that's the hard truth.

>> No.3734009

>>3733239
Gura IS the face of Hololive EN though, at least in practice.

>> No.3734090

>>3734009
Nah she's not. Mori is a bigger face and gets pushed.

>> No.3734139

>>3731488
May I ask what song this is?

>> No.3734200

>>3734009
>non-stop songs
>biggest solo in Hololive
>gets to sing in Alternative
>favorite of management
Mori is the face

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>>3733818
And why do I have to "accept" not caring about Hololive? I don't give a flying fuck either. You need to face the fact that even if Gura doesn't care about Hololive, it won't stop her in any way no matter how many rrats you try to make. She'll still be at the top. Now stop samefagging like a little bitch and go find healthier ways to cope.

>> No.3734293

>>3734009
Mori is the face. That's why she debuted first, and did a lot of collabs.

>> No.3734322

>>3734001
Cumkeks proving once again that they don't watch anyone other than their memeshark

>> No.3734330

>>3734001
EN would do just fine without her, Calli can carry EN

>> No.3734458

>>3733929
Gura still gets the most vod views only thing that actually matters

>> No.3734577

>>3734330
she can't even carry her girlfriend let alone the whole branch

>> No.3734663

>>3734330
>>3734293
Nah I agree that Hololive EN and Hololive as a whole will do just fine without her as they have other great personalities such as Ame and Kiara but if anyone else left Hololive I don't think they will be very successful besides maybe Amelia and I think Gura is pretty much set if she leaves Senzawa is currently at 1.16 million subscribers and I'm pretty positive non of the other Hololive EN members have another channel with over a million followers

>> No.3734666

>>3732454
>Honorifics are cringe when you’re not a nip
They don't think that at all. They would consider this very rude if they felt the person knew any better. If you don't abide by the rules of someone else's culture whilst partaking in said culture, then you're basically a nigger.

>> No.3734700

>>3734330
>Calli can carry EN
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.3735594

>>3734666
>reading comprehension reps
how Gura would see the activity/how the main demographic of her audience sees the activity. It is cringe.
If it’s not in her contract to use honorifics, she doesn’t have to do it. No matter how much you call me a nigger, it’s still the truth.

>> No.3737896

>>3714801
>>3714748
>CONSTANTLY selfishly overlaps with her holoEN co-workers who unlike her actively avoid doing this
"constanty" false , blame manager
>doesn't bother addressing JP holos with honorifics
false nigga you didn't even watch the stream
>barely tweets out to them, only belated after noticing every other holoEN already did so
anon she has her own oshi
>literally says "Who?" when Towa is named
that sucks
>no effort to do JP collabs, doesn't form connections with them during mass collabs
bad take
>refuses to thank people for 1m subs, doesn't hold a celebration at all
bad take
>selfishly has only herself on the twitter banner instead of the group of 5 like EVERY OTHER holoEN
bad take , schizo
>selfishly overlaps with the biggest holoJP event because she cares so little about hololive she probably doesn't even know it's happening
that sucks
>doesn't show up in Ollie's debut stream despite virtually EVERYONE from holoEN (minus her) to Daisenpai Sora appearing
bad take
>spams gawrt retweets on twitter immediately after Ollie debut instead of, you know, greeting her kohais or something
bad take
>randomly decides to overlap with IDgen2 post-debut party with a fucking guerilla stream just to fuck with them
bad take , rrat
>literally such a sociopathic, psychopathic bitchcunt she straight up doesn't bother calling in for her genmates BIRTHDAY because she was too lazy to wake up at fucking noon (!)
bad take , schizo
>naturally skips genmate's outfit reveals as well and never bothers tweeting about them like literally everyone else
fasle
>"music production" involves her shitting out vocals and sending them to a mixer and then completely forgetting about it and never even bothering to advertise the product beyond 1 lazy retweet by her "partner"
false
>actually unironically fine with her shitty abomination of a new model because noticing its flaws would require giving a shit about hololive
rrat

>> No.3737909

>>3714801
this is why you take your meds

>> No.3737930

>>3737896
cumkeks have no vocabulary and can only reply "bad take" and "rrats"

>> No.3738057

>>3734001
I swear to God that chumbuddies are making me hate Gura and I followed her since before she became Gura. You all are the worst cancer there is in Hololive and probably any other VTuber fandom

>> No.3738062

>>3714801
>half the points about indogs
Makes you think.

>> No.3740389

>>3738057
My favorite vtubers are Matsuri and Ame retard, You're just mad cuz I'm stating the facts

>> No.3754165

>>3714801
Jesus Christ! Take your meds please anon. Your mother is worried about you.

>> No.3755670

>>3740389
Why would they need Gura? She is a conformist, she isn't a trailblazer, she doesn't have ambitions and determination to be at the top. The only thing she brings in is money and views, things that HoloEN can get anyway, at a much slower rate. And Senzawa is dead and never coming back, you would know that if you knew why she left her old persona

>> No.3755930

>>3755670
because she was getting flak for working with belle delphine?

>> No.3756526

>>3755930
She hated who she was and hated the fanbase she gathered around her, she ghosted her Discord and later left. If Hololive didn't accepted her, she would be depressed as fuck and probably wouldn't be seen again.

>> No.3756802

>>3714801
holy rrat! i kneel!!!!

>> No.3756868

>>3734700
Ame is too autistic
Ina is too quiet
Kiara is no

Calli will have to do

>> No.3756973

>>3714801
>Half of these 'issues' are about SEAnigs.
Gee I wonder who's behind this post.

>> No.3758017

>>3734666
Trips = TRUTH
sharkbitch is FINISHED

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>>3714801
BASED

>> No.3758189

>>3758017
>Satan is truth
Yeah, you're going need to fuck off

>> No.3758263

>>3714801
she would be even more based if this was real

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