/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

/#/ is declining

Tempus was a mistake

>>37215987
Recent clip numbers
>>37210365
>>37210392
>>37210438
>>37210471
>>37210525

>Niji this month so far
no wonder so many nijikeks are seething.

>>37215957
she's in the middle, are you so angry you're going blind or something

Looking at Towa's numbers lately i wonder if she decimated her very noticeable Post Start End incline by refusing to become part of the Holo Rust arc fucking Luna decimates her in the numbers department now she is now the runt of Gen 4

>Ayame is streaming
>No one is sperging out
Something is amiss. Numbers report. What are the likely cause?

current cripple is kiara 7.9k, vox is probably not streaming, still no stream room

>>37216029

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY *
>87,608: Lamy (Hololive)
>60,948: AZKi (Hololive)
>36,721: Pekora (Hololive)
>25,434: Okayu (Hololive)
>24,660: Koyori (Hololive)
>24,221: Subaru (Hololive)
>23,680: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>22,679: Iroha (Hololive)
>21,167: Miko (Hololive)
>20,649: Botan (Hololive)
>19,224: Gura (Hololive)
>18,835: Patra (774 inc)
>16,502: Lize (Nijisanji)
>15,457: Kurusu Natsume (Nijisanji)
>15,085: Salome (Nijisanji)
>13,656: Koyori (Hololive)
>11,809: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,659: Koyori (Hololive)
>11,575: Kronii (Hololive)
>11,108: Koyori (Hololive)

>>37214586
what does this have to do with a holokr?

>PekoMiko daughter

>>37216037
he probably got another "panic attack" just from the thought of fucking Kiara beating his most buffed stream

>>37216035
that and her numbers also got decimated because of the decline of the fps scene

>>37216036
Last samurais too busy doing damage control for Cover's continued neglect and abuse of EN.

Does en even want to be idols? Forcing westerners to adopt jp culture seems impossible.

>>37216037
it's still vox asmr on cripple tally anon. he still did a stream past midnight

>>37216013
Add mori to that as well. If we had just accepted Idol culture maybe EN would have their idol costumes by now

>>37216036
She streams now. Not consistently but she streams.

>Ema 10k peak
>Noah 3k peak
WTF happened?
I thought Noah are among the most popular VSPO girls?

>>37216053
>NOVEMBER 2022 GOLDS
1) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,480 - Minecraft sports fes prep
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 53,106 - Resident Evil 6 w/Marine
3) Marine (Hololive) - 167,199 - 3rd anniversary 3D live
4) Suisei (Hololive) - 156,380* - 3D announcement live
5) Suisei (Hololive) - 39,554 - Zatsudan
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 134,642 - Fate/Grand Order gacha
7) Mio (Hololive) - 59,265 - Post sports fes totsumachi
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 67,639 - Trial stream
9) Yashiro (Nijisanji) - 44,737 - Yu-Gi-Oh lesson w/Orihimeboshi
10) Miko (Hololive) - 43,789 - Surgeon Simulator 2 w/Suisei
11) Flare (Hololive) - 39,662 - Shiraken accessory reveal & presentation meeting
12) Pekora (Hololive) - 38,770 - Fate/Grand Order
13) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 41,078 - Fashion collab shilling w/Shiina, Ririmu & Fuwa
14) Lamy (Hololive) - 60,779 - NePoLaBo offcollab
15) Lamy (Hololive) - 87,608 - 3D birthday drinking party

>PER COMPANY
13x: Hololive
2x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
5x: Pekora
2x: Lamy, Suisei
1x: Flare, Kuzuha, Marine, Miko, Mio, Yashiro

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
208x: Hololive
98x: Nijisanji
6x: Indie, Neo Porte
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
50x: Pekora
21x: Miko
18x: Kuzuha
17x: Aqua
16x: Salome
14x: Nijisanji
13x: Subaru
10x: Marine
7x: Suisei
6x: Hal, Hololive, Kanata, Mio, Toya
5x: Flare, Fuwa, Gura
4x: Noel, Okayu, Polka, Towa
3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Korone, Koyori, Mayuzumi, Mel
2x: Ange, Botan, Fubuki, Ibrahim, Lamy, Lui, Maimoto, Mito, Mori, Mysta, Nene, Nerumero, Shion, Sora, Tsukasa, Vox, Yashiro
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Furen, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Moona, Nagao, Naruse, Natsume, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Ui, Watame, Yorumi, Zeta

>>37216035
isn't that more just because the fps people are in the dump, i haven't seen people like hal get good numbers in a while

>>37216091
Noah doesn't have a popular ship with an esports pro.

what's an idol?

>>37216063
Koyori a cute>>37216075

>>37216036
Well... 3 streams a month is incline compared to no streams in 2 months...

EN are not idols

>>37216076
>he still did a stream past midnight
It wasn't past midnight though

>>37216091
Shipfags effect like roberu and mea.

>>37216076
he did not. he started his stream 5 minutes before midnight

>>37216091
noah got into some yab i dont remember

list of the dead/dying indies/small corpos

>RyeProject https://twitter.com/RyeProject
>Fen Riru https://twitter.com/fenriruvt
>Sylvia Sorano https://twitter.com/sylviasorano
>Castella Inomori https://twitter.com/CastellaInomori
>Melonbread https://twitter.com/melonbread_69
>Raina Chiwawa https://twitter.com/RaniaChiwawa
>Usami https://twitter.com/usami_vt
>Aozora Kurumi https://twitter.com/AozoraKurumi **
>Sayu Okami https://twitter.com/SayuOkami
>Selkie https://twitter.com/SelkieVT
>LexParteVT https://twitter.com/LexParteVT
>AisRiale https://twitter.com/AisRiale
>Chaos https://twitter.com/lordcommandervt
>MoonJelly https://twitter.com/moonjelly0
>Juliet Winters https://twitter.com/juiietwinters
>Suika Emi https://twitter.com/suikaemi
>Etherna Celine https://twitter.com/ethernaceline
>Etherna Helen https://twitter.com/EthernaHelen
>Makoto & Akira Misaki https://twitter.com/ggnlive_withyou
>Peari Morino https://twitter.com/MorinoPeari
>Orla Gan Ceann https://twitter.com/orlaganceann

places to end up for these girls include
>NijisanjiEN wave 7 if dual wave with Iluna exists
>HoloEN3 which has been running 'open auds' all year so far
>Tsunderia auditions entered "second stage" on Aug 27th low likelihood for some of these girls now

** RRAT: Aozora Kurumi is reincarnating into Indie vtuber Auregalia Aruri

Thoughts on Ayame.

>>37216076
nigga eyesight reps

>>37216036
ayame seems to be back on the aqua/shion schedule, aka a stream every like 5-7 days for a couple of weeks and then 2 weeks of silence and repeat

>>37216075
Literally only Gura.
>muh kiara
The one that said that Holomems weren’t real idols? Yeah nah

>>37216142
leaking discord convo about her kouhais not responding, iirc. dumb woman shit

>>37216162
She's a lazy whore, but everyone got used to it long ago, so whatever

>>37216063
worst ritual poster

>>37216100
Yea, this is the bigger one. Also, new apex map has had a nasty freezing bug that basically meant the game is unstreamable for the past few weeks since the start of the new season.

>>37216110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wOBwf_vsTw

>>37216162
she's a whore but my cute whore.

>>37216162
Cute whore but a whore none the less

>>37216162
She's lazy but she's really cute so I forgive her.

>>37216162
OUJO

>>37216075
Well the biggest vtuber in EN market, the only one with 5views on practically anything in any time zone, is the one who adopt JP culture the most, so i dunno what do you think anon

>>37216118
la+ "eceleb cocksleeve" darkness it is instead yeah.
and you cannot even cope with the muh rm on her

I'm surprised mysta didn't do any collabos even on break and is taking a proper break

>>37216035
lol didn't get any bites last thread so you just reposted

Towas below 4k?

>>37216162
my cute whore

>>37216270
what's wrong with that? That's usual stars number

GRIM for EN

>>37216110
AKB48

>>37216110
A miserable pile of secrets?
But enough talk.
Have a (You)

>>37216174
I'll give Kiara the ESL benefit of doubt and consider that what she was really saying was that they didn't have the harsh idol lifestyle that she associates with being Idols.

>>37216162
she cute so all is forgiven

>>37216270
its ow2 with an orgy of males, who would watch that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DiN87kF9LM
Matsuri 5.5k in this overlap.

>>37216076
Get your eyes checked nigga

> Ayame doing a "drawing" stream
wtf, is she trying to replace Ina?

>>37216075
I'm sure Mori tries her best to convince everyone that idols are cringe so her shitty rap is still relevant.

>>37216110
some say an idol is someone that inspires and motivates others, no matter the subject or the way
the practical real world way to look at it is a multidisciplinary performer that's supposed to provide the experience of a journey of improvement, generally in the singing and dancing department
or a lying whore

>>37216091
Noah's by herself, Ema is playing with an already popular past collab group

>>37216270
She doesn’t have her FPS meta to rely on. It’s not really a surprise, everyone here already agreed that she replaced her old JP fans with apex and FPS tourists. So what happens when you remove the fps?

>>37216162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wArknPUMZMk

>>37216316
I think the problem is her team telling Towa to stay with fucking Lucio…

>>37216358
Gura provides the experiences and is not a lying whore

>>37216341

>Birthday stream

>>37216390
>Gura provides the experiences and is not a lying whore
>Gura (...) is not a lying whore
>Gura
>not a lying whore

>>37216162
I'm impressed by how well she was able to maintain her brand despite being inactive for such long periods. It would be impossible anywhere but Hololive. Maybe Nijisanji but I'm not familiar enough with their streamers to find any examples.

>why don't Myth and Council have idol outfits
Cause they aren't idols.

>>37216162
She has no thoughts whatsoever in her calligraphy so far, but that's her cha—mu pointo

>>37216174
>Actual former idol who loves the field and has a deep knowledge vs “my favourite game is Sekiro”

>>37216244
>Thinking people outside of thread shitters care
NTA but I even followed her instagram. I don’t care, they can do what they want. I just enjoy watching thread monkeys throw shit at each other

>>37216397
Wtf i love ojou now

>>37216418
Now show her b2 cross-stream numbers.

>>37216418

>>37216162
cute butt

>Pekora collab
>Not even 30k
Lamy is a number poison

>>37216110
>>37216358
>>37216390
I saw clip of Pekora saying she want to be the number one streamer and I feel that is a very ambitious goal that she is trying her best to achieve
That is idol, I look up to Pekora

>>37216311
Being a vtuber and irl idol doesn’t actually have that much overlap. People don’t seem to have any idea of what traditional idols do for the most part. Playing videos games and casually chatting with fans online aren’t really a major part of their activities but it’s like 95% of what most vtubers do.

>>37216397

>>37216442
At least their low poly 3D have idol outfits

>>37216480
2 POV
But yeah this was lower than even Noel, we can blame overlap or whatever but the campaign is shit too

>>37216378
unfortunate she cant play shit she wants. always gib slave in apex, now lucio slaves in ow2.

>>37216442
I'm banking on surprise outfits either during the Japan trip or HoloFES.

>>37216452
>>37216428
Nice try nijinigs, you never let a chance slip to try and bash the shark

>>37216110
>>37212960
.

>>37216428
munichama...

>>37216037
>Probably
https://twitter.com/Vox_Akuma/status/1592693833581891587
He's not. how the fuck is this man a streamer

Kek

>>37216553
Wait is it actually gonna be chicken cripple gold? This guy got the mental fortitude of a 5 year old child.

>>37216434
>Nijisanji
>Helping maintain their livers brand through a long hiatus.
The demise of Crossick, Hana jettisoning her early fame because of impostor syndrome and Salome should tell you all you need to know. None of the OG Nijis have the clout or the internal structure to mentor the new waves like how HoloX are currently being groomed by Gen 3 and Korone.

>>37216515
At least Gib is more fun to watch than Lucio in my opinion.

>>37216553
>how the fuck is this man a streamer
Because he's not. He's the closest we have to an online vtuber gigolo.
LMAO he actually chickened out (hehe) to lost against Kiara's scuffed 3D KEK

>>37216553
how do we save mr coom

>>37216481
she number 1 in ccv she doesnt need hours watched

>>37216529
Knowing how EN works, they want to keep it a surprise and reveal it at a major event or a mandatory group collab.

>>37216174
at least Kiara has some songs and she's working on an album, Gura wants to be an idol with 1 orisong in more than 2 years? Rumao. inb4
>nijiniggger!!!
Cope

>>37216474
source?

>>37216485
Traditional idols were limited by the technology of their time. I think Hololive vtubers have succeeded by accidentally perfecting the flawed idol formula with the power of technology.
Their idols are streamed directly into your homes at all times of the day whereas before they need to rent stage space and fight for TV space. Their idols don't age and and be farmed forever. Their images are perfect because anime features have no flaws.
Even on the side of the performers, they're protected from the nastiness of the cutthroat IRL idol business because of this.

>>37216656
If he actually tried and still lost to Kiara he would've had a mental breakdown. Couldn’t risk it. Although does anyone have an updated hours watched chart? Kiara beating Gura is one of those weird anomalies that just makes me laugh my ass off.

>>37215987
Koyori lost.

The youtube povs during the crcup ow scrims. Towa's team is very unpopular, she's the biggest ccv on her team. Kinako is the only other one above 1k. Other teams have very popular streamers like Kuzuha's 20k, noob's 30k (twitch), daruma's 24k (twitch), shaka's 20k (twitch) etc

>>37216397
>Slaves gives master gift
>Master happy

>>37216174
When is she going to put effort into doing literally anything? You know, the idol journey part of being an idol?

>>37216714
There's also a audition benefit. Vtubing means you can select the people with the best personalities and character whereas before you had to compromise to get a pretty face/body.

>>37216736
you can't call every pink woman with ears koyori anon, that's racist

>>37216480
Should've played this with Kiara or Moona instead, Lamy is boring and just dragging the stream down, she doesn't know how to interact with Pekora you can tell the rabbit is just checking out.

>Aqua is streaming right now.

>>37216673
Sometimes it feels like cover doesn't give a shit about optics. Last year, how hard would it have been to announce EN outfits before the HoloX outfits even if they were coming out later.

>>37216714
I don't disagree but it's also easy to see why Kiara thinks comparing them makes no sense. On a very basic level they are doing different things on a daily basis with at best a pretty small overlap. Conceptually yes they target the same demo/ideals, but as a practical matter I don’t think Ame is spending much time on dance and singing training. Not 0. But not much

>>37216743
Looking at this it looks like FPS numbers declined hard

>>37216778
no she's not

>>37216804
She used to believe... it made her great to watch.

>>37216786
Remember how Myths 3D got announced?
Random twitter post saying it got delayed.

>>37216110
Oshi no Ko.

>>37216778
so does Shion.

>>37216817
https://youtu.be/ea55cnDHxoY

>>37216544
of all holoen members, its only gura,kiara and bae that states they are idol

>>37216867
manjigumi is ALIVE

>>37216037
She got 8k on vrabi

>>37216110
They're illusionists. They dazzle and flourish and you know logically it's not real but they can make you believe and that's real magic.

>>37216110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QBzP6T-9qU

>>37216830
I feel like a lot of the talents don't understand that sucking is fine, but earnest effort to improve and respecting your fans is really all fans really want. Emphasis on the earnest. Shitting on your fans, filtering them, being poisoned by irony are all much bigger problems than being a shit singer/dancer. I don't know how much of the fanbase realizes the standards for idol singing is incredibly low, they aren't expected to perform at the level of an actual dedicated singer. The vsinger/vtuber distinction makes a lot more sense in that context

Gura strives to be an idol like Aqua and Marine, severely limited to the tech only at her current place. That's the only way to win. Gura is at the top of EN because she's an idol, and fauna is her manager,

>>37216912
This. I still don't know why it's so hard to understand for many EN retards. Even one of my favorite twitch whores feels like it despite being a whore.

>>37216980
I like this headcanon

>>37216980
So she strives to not stream?

>Married? No! It's not about restricting my relationship, but I have been in your position before (ichimin). I can't imagine if my Oshi having relationship with the opposite gender.
>One day I do want to get married or having someone but I will do it after I graduate from Hololive and my time is over but as long as I'm still Hololive member then I will hold myself, oh yeah like VA when they get married near their 40 hahaha
This is why Marine and some of JP are the best in the industry.

>>37216185
>BRRUrrrrurrrruurRRRRRROOOOOOOOO*THUD*OOM

>>37216980
>No songs
>No delivery
Try again chumbud. All her senpais put some effort to get where they are. Gura meanwhile is just coasting on an algorithm boost from going viral two years ago.

>>37217026
her ceiling keeps dropping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrlw2g_gBDM
Who's this girl and why does she have 2.5k in a dentist office?

damn you idolcuks are actually delusional. wtf is this tread

>>37217065
>>37217026
As it should.

>>37217026
What even is her timeslot? Just pick a timeslot, stream in it consistently, don't actively filter your fanbase. Why is that so hard?

Saying that EN aren't idols isn't even a shitpost at this point, all EN does is suck off males and shit on their fans. What idol actively goes out of their way to spite their supporters? And no cumsharts, doing one 3D live doesn't make you an idol either. Hell, she doesn't even like majority of her fans, only those who give her money which is jew behavior. Kronii, Mori, and Ame all have the same mindset about idols and the rest of EN just doesn't care.

>>37217065
?

>>37216980
>Gura is at the top of EN because she's an idol
kek

people like her reacting to stuff chat does more than the idol shit.
She'd be a way more popular react streamer.

>>37217081
seethechama...

>>37217035
>>37217061
>aqua and marine doesn't stream as much and only puts out 1 song every year
both of them reminds me of gura and they both act like a retard while cute

>>37217026
quick recovery?

>>37217026
How do we stop mori recline she fallen out of the box, Hololive motto is nobody left behind how do we bring her back to the box.

>>37216091
>even the vspo viewers ghosted noah…

>>37217081
>ESL
Worst than NijiNigger

>>37216485
It's shortsighted to have such a strict definition of what an idol has to be. Even if you don't consider them to be traditional idols, they still would fall within the realm of alt idols

>>37216804
I understand why Kiara feels the way she does due to her own past experiences but it's hard to take her seriously on this when her opinion is at odds with what many of the JP girls think and want. It just comes off as putting her own past on too much of a pedastal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkUS2woB2HI
Flare 10k playing Mohun sponsored.

>>37217145
only herself

where the fuck is Vox's frame???
Did he really want to let that shitty whore to get gold with a fucking 7k unarchived karaoke 3d stream?????

>>37216553
HAHA. GIVE IT UP FOR THE WORLD'S GREATEST BETA MALE. CAN'T BELIEVE VOXSISTERS LOVE MANLETS.

>>37217139
The difference is they put effort into gaining their current popularity, even if they stream less now. Gura never did.

>>37217081
I dunno, a b-movie?

>>37217145
stop her retarded double dipping. no one want is benefiting. fans will just get confused

>>37216951
Learning method acting could be good. It'll let them tap into the positive feelings they need to stream and perform. Even if some things about their fanbase make them uncomfortable they can use the good things about the fact that people want to watch them to help engage with the audience in streams.
In a way the girls are being tested, pioneering this medium with unique challenges that traditional performers never dealt with.
They're like theater actors, but it's all improv and they put a lot of their actual selves into the performance.

>>37217181
>shitty whore
>7k
>not mentioning how scuffed it was
seethe

>>37217155
I mean by that definition most athletes, musicians, movie directors, etc are idols. This is approaching what is a sandwich territory. It's pretty vague but I don’t think Kiara is crazy for drawing the line somewhere either.

>>37217181
>>37216553

>>37217186
>Gura never did
Gura did more in the first 4 months after debut for hololive than aqua and marine did

>>37217145
Graduate and hang out with her real friends instead. She'll unironically incline, and will be much happier too.

>>37217076
>eww, her molar is on screen.
She's part of the Aogiri Vtuber high thing, first one that got 10k in a long ass time with their "run till 10k" double stream with Tamako, the queen of Sex.

https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/大代真白/あおぎり高校美術部

>>37216547
That's a name I didn't expect to see pop up...

>>37217145
It's one thing to also put on some work on your rm.
It's another thing to kickstart your rm career again on the back of drama and openly said, to quote her, "I can't do my main job if I don't do this".

>>37216951
Kiara understand this, she even explain it what an idol is.

>>37217260
She can't because of the UMG contract kek

>>37217260
I dunno, she's declined so much physically she might be better off in hololive. The last remaining cuckbeats will probably be loyal for a couple more years.

>>37217076
>this singing and talking voice
She's 99.1% Suisei

>>37217007
Hey, I don't watch the ones who fail to keep to it. It's why I dropped Mori and Kronii, and I'll have no issues dropping anyone else who slips up.

Could Gura become a jazz/citypop/opera idol of the west?
https://youtu.be/DoUEBcecgtI?t=170

>>37217260
Her fault for taking that UMG contract then KEK.
>Oh yeah it's only because no major label even wanted her rm KEK

>>37217227
Idols were a made up term by the Japanese anyways to market their "artificial celebrities"

>>37217007
Twitch are full of retard and most of en audiances are the same aswell at this point.

People complain in catalog that they should abandoned idol concert and concept and become a streamer. I believe it from nijinig, but it not muxh different than EOP at this point.

>>37217386
>Artificial celebrities
Anon every celebrities are artificial, let's be honest here.

>>37217076
stop shilling your 2view whore here holokek

>>37217428
I know but Japanese idols were even more so. Literally taking random pretty girls and making them famous.

>>37217260
>Unironically incline
Historically speaking, literally no female Holo has inclined in the long term after graduating from Hololive yet. If Mori's rm was that popular, UMG'd have signed the contract with the rm instead of going through Cover.

>>37217139
>Aqua
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swX1O_a_vAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUP3OI9Yhmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpgSrULHibg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAk9Vn4psQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16WxRVoTAx0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nCpQFvr-U4
>Marine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_hUpHUTJwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV-5W7SFHDc

>only puts out 1 song every year
Fucker are you in coma for the entirety of this year?

>>37217386
Kek thinking celebrity real

Imagine if someone in EN would ghost their fanbase for months and then getting 20k for a goddamn drawning stream. How does she do it?

So we hate idols here?

>>37217467
>Literally taking random pretty girls
American Idol...

>>37217505
oujo cute. also supported by the primary hags of the company

>>37217469
The incline will be from being able to go full throttle on Twitch activities, including collabs with ecelebs like OTV and Hasan and taking part in Twitch talkshows. Though I suppose that might only last until everyone on Twitch realizes how dumb she actually is.

>>37217528
Only nijinig hate idol, why would holofan hate the very brand of it...

>>37217505
1 - life isn't fair
2 - she's cute. That's it

>onion and garlic streaming at the same time
>both members-only streams too
Did they plan this out?

>>37217467
You could say the same thing about any American reality TV show. Just look at the Kardashians

>>37217260
>>37217469
In Hololive she still has a chance to go for the stars. Leaving will relegate her to being a mid-low tier streamer doomed to be an accessory at best, desperate leech at worst.
She'll sacrifice her ceiling forever.

>>37217505
By being cute. Just look at the TW hololive chart. Just a bunch of simps for cute girls like Aqua, Ayame, and Pekora. Kek. Not that i care since TW is going to get fucked over by China sooner or later.

We hate hololive and holokeks here.

>>37217402
>most of en audiances are the same aswell at this point
It's telling that, despite all their posturing, EN audiences like to be lied to, and idolfagging, as I said before, relies completely on lying. They just hate when girls act cute.

Why do you all want EN to get all the HoloX treatment right now when they'll just get killed by EN3 and that's assuming the branch will even last long enough for that to happen.

All of mori's streams the last 2 weeks peaked below 6k. rough

>>37217467
You say that as if hollywood wasn't propped up to be that way

look at all these numbers

>>37217549
>that might only last until everyone on Twitch realizes how dumb she actually is
She'll still have popularity associated to her name. The twitch cloutchasers will never let that go, and considering she's a fucking retard, they'll just keep humouring her.

>>37217369
Even if not, fuck generic j-pop. It's the reason I can't stand most of IRyS' karaoke.

>>37217596
>The American version of idols are the Kardashians
What did we do to deserve this timeline?

Lize with Yashiro 20k.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z11dKpKgr3Y
Any chance Niji management had a talk with her after the Omori month talked her yearly?

[Sad News] Mori intends to stay in hololive for a while
>I'm not exactly new anymore, ya know
>So why am I so bashful, kind of thing
>I've been here a minute
>And, uh, I'll likely continue to be here for many more minutes

>>37217667
It's not supposed to be a clock tho

>>37217164
why is capcom still shilling this game? the last expansion was months ago

>>37217628
>we

>>37217718
She REALLY want that road back into the holobox KEK

my cute wife

>>37217718
She should consider focusing on hololive for a second too

>>37217667
she goes to sleep at 5?!

Did niji stopped botting? Their YGO numbers got so low already

>>37217718
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bashful
Oh fuck off, you retarded cunt.

>>37217718
Well yea, but she dun fucked up and it's gonna take quite a while for her to work her way back.

>>37217667
>mspaint
Has she been diagnosed with any mental deficiencies before?

>>37217779
I banged your wife yesterday. If you don't like it, fight me irl. I'll be outside at 3am.

>>37217779
>wife
onahole

>>37217718
Maybe dedicate a bit more than just 5% while you're at it

>>37217200
But I though all deadbeats were doxxbeats and are fine with double dibbing?

>>37217479
Marine should post more covers again I didn't realize it's been that long since her last one

>>37217779

>>37217796
people got bored, will probably waiting until the tourney or bots

>>37217807
She's my cute retarded wife, leave her alone.

>>37217718
she's playing her tee-hee persona? her numbers must be grim

Um, why are Flare's viewers going down in steps?

>>37217718
Is it even possible for her to get back into Holobox? Many of her ex-fans either watch indies or move to Kaela and some of Council

HoloJP = Kemono Friends S1
HoloEN = Kemono Friends S2
Did I get this right?

>>37217859
My bots failing.

>>37217859
presentation over

>>37217807
>mental deficiencies
>Aqua
No anon, no retardation in this chuuba, no sir...

>>37217718
Are you retarded or just pretending she hadn’t already said she wasn’t leaving for many many years? What is this?

>>37217720
she got very confused when she tried to draw it as a clock

>>37217718
The reality of her recline is hitting her like a freight train right now, huh? She's scared.

Why do people say Ayame is a whore anyways? She seems too cute for that desu.

So people say that Lui and Koyo hate each other but what if they are one person?
I don't think we have ever seen them in one place together

Aqua says she doesn't stream because she keeps sleeping during prime time and then doesn't want to stream in the middle of the night

JWU, what was the HoloX announcement about?

>>37217872
kemono friends s1 was unexpectedly great. it was bizzare

>>37217818
Cuckbeats are fine. general holobox is not. The box is sentient. they knew when someone half-assing their holo job.

>>37217863
Every time I see one of these extremely specific
>X fans all switched to Y
posts, I just assume it's anon projecting their own experience.

>>37217872
Myth - the promised neverland s1
Council - the promised neverland s2

Wtf is mori doing?

>>37217883
NTA, but I was hopeful she would fuck off to her roommate as she appeared to want and finally become off-topic.

>>37217864
En will say it's culled

>>37217834

>>37217872
Myth - Naruto
Hope - Naruto shippuden
Council - Boruto

>>37217917
Anniversary merch, manga debut, 3d lives, original song with mv, and 3d idol outfits

>>37217910
>gamer meido
>gamer schedule
>doesnt play games
Akutan...

>>37217941
Tempus - the ova no one asked for

>>37217917
animate merch, jump cover, 3d live relay for their annis + group 3D on the 4th, new mascot (probably), idol outfits and group mv

>>37217864
2M sub with coomer thumbnail can't beat a shit eater now

Akwa, my poor akwa.....sick and getting the needle treatment multiple times because her blood veins are too small and the nurse keep missing it.

>>37216836
Fiction bullshit by hack artist

What is he doing

lol Mori is using the entirety of her member stream to advertise her streams, desperate

>>37217809
Stop imitating me! If you got beef fight me IRL. I'll be at the park at 3am going for a walk.

>>37217863
It's very hard. One of her issues is inauthenticity. There are no quick fixes. She can only improve her brand through genuine action over a long period of time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5oeJJDGJQiM

Pekora and Lamy MOGGED

>>37217872
Myth - steins;gate
Hope - steins;gate episode 26 (Actual hope in this one)
Council - steins;gate 0

>>37217941
>>37217983
but council has higher number than myth(-gura)
4v4 so it's fair

>>37217943
crawling her way back to the holobox

>>37218034
>dead subs

>>37217985
>>37217995
Council…

>Keep your tab to watch my streams, my schedules are packed
Mori advertising her streams...

>>37217909
we saw them once, in probably one of the worst collabs i've ever seen: hours of dinosaurs and awkward talk

>>37217983
>Myth
>Naruto
>Pink haired girl ruins everything
Ah yes....

>>37218034
sana love

>>37217155
By this definiton of Aqua, EVERY vtuber is an idol, so what's even the point of the term ? Just call them vtubers.

>>37218016
Fuck you, Yokoyari Mengo has nothing to do with the story. Aka akasaka the Nijinigger is the writer

>>37218072
I smell desperation

>>37218072
>>37218025
Why are you watching someone you very clearly hate?
What the fuck is this?

>>37217897
She's got videos out 10x worse than notNoel. It's kind of disturbing hearing that cute voice scream sometimes but it's really hot at the same time.

Source: I heard it from some Koreans.

>>37218079
she doesn't ruin the doujin though
>Until MILF sakura ruins everything

>>37217155
This sound like a gigantic cope from Aqua the more I read it ngl

>>37218023
Same energy.

>>37218093
I think it's important to draw a distinction between what the HoloJP girls are doing vs, what the streamers with avatars are doing

>>37216174
Me on top of the head

>>37217897
Boyfriend

>>37218121
Koreans give you a source on those vids???

https://youtu.be/_OLDwgbgt_Y?t=51
Imagine getting dino gura for her 3D debut

Apparently mori and some of tempus may be in the jaidan animation massive subathon.

>>37218118
They're deadbeats

>>37218034
>debut stream was 120k
>already down to 36k

Artemis-San is reclining…

>>37218186
Rosemi member stream?

>>37218095
Hacka is too busy playing APEX with Nijiniggers to write it anymore he's completely handed it over to Mengo, which is why the MC is about to get NTR'd by the only girl anyone likes anymore getting casting couched

>>37218125
>Until MILF sakura ruins everything
Unless it's a Sahara Wataru doujin.

>>37218093
There are streamers that stream with no love in their heart and survive by baiting, leeching, and dramafagging.

>>37218118
You can't? Why?

>>37218186
>some
so I assume it's Magni and Altare.
Magni i'd bet all my money on.

>>37217897
I won't take it lightly that you called my slut a whore, anon

>>37218121
>No link

>>37218216
I have better things to do with my life. I don’t like Tempus so I just don’t watch them.

>>37218204
T3 ofc

>>37218143
Forgot file.

>>37218023
He's doing some illegal funneling to his teammates to fuck up numberfags.

>>37218152
I mean, what's the difference between say, HoloJP and VShojo ? People like Silvervale did dancing, concert, idol performnace, song release on top of their usual streaming. Is Silvervale an Idol ?

Hello! Divegrass Anon here.
I have closed the poll that ran these days on the roster. The percentage indicates the amount of people who voted that particular player to be removed (you could vote for more than 1 player)

>The following players will be removed from the team.

-The Sana Line (66.7%)
-10-2 (57.1%)
-/news/ (28.6%)
-Natural Incline (28.6%)
-Seething 2view (23.8%)

>The following players will be promoted to starters

-Cripple Gold (0%)
-The Z (0%)

>The following players will be updated

-KING -> Bronzeboi

In about a month, I'll hold another poll to add 5 new players to replace the dropped ones, as well as the new music and positions.
Thansk for participating!

>>37218210
You talk as if those are the exception when they're the fucking norm.

>>37218093
>together with the fans
Key point.

holy shit, cover's care for their side branches just flew over my house

>>37218205
Wait, who? Please not Kana…

>>37217986
games give her ptsd.

>>37217993
Myth Dragonball
Councilrys DragonballZ
Tempus Dragonball Live Action Movie.

>>37217718
Most holo even if their at the bottom will still want to stay. Even the star shit show want to stay until fired. The benefits out weight the demerits.

>>37218293
>-KING -> Bronzeboi
based

>>37218033
I used to like Mori because of how authentic she felt. When she had her first birthday and released Red, I bought her merch. Idk what happened, but at some point I just could not stand her any more, and anything she said made me cringe from how fake it sounded. Literally what happened to her? Or is it just me?

Not sure how she is nowadays since I try to avoid anything she's in.

it seems there's a bunch of jps planning to stream pokemon as soon as it's out at midnight

It sadden me that kobo fell this hard, the management pull the no male collab trigger too fking late....

Today I will remind them

>>37218302
>>37218210
Maybe dramafagging etc are their way of shining and being an idol. And maybe their fans like it (drama do get a large audience, after all), so it also fit the together with the fan as well.

I always forget how much I actually like Mori’s voice when she does solo streams. Why cant she just be chill in collabs?

>>37218356
shion, fubuki, are the usual suspects

>>37218354
Money and fame just reveal her true self, wasn't it?

>>37218062
It peaked at 700k or so right as the rocket hit max-Q

>>37218062
they broke 700k earlier
couldn't beat spacex's 2.3m ccv record though

>>37218382
Twisted idols, yeah, perverted by their environment.

>>37218417
chloe and koyo are also streaming it

>>37218354
I don't like the moment she had a trouble with her holo career, the first thing she thought wasn't how she could mend it, but run to her rm channel and start being passive-aggressive to the holo fans that criticized her

>>37218354
vtubing is all about the illusion. All chuubas are fake and when the spell is gone it's all over. Happened to me with Kronii.

>>37218354
Something that makes the girls appealing is that "they try their best." Eventually Mori was phoning it and lost her humility and it was kind of gross.

>>37218354
>and anything she said made me cringe from how fake it sounded
Isn't that how she always sounded? It is not she sounds any different on her rm streams.

>>37217779
Go to bed, Regis

>>37218370
She got the charisma but her contents suck, people just move on from her.

>>37218293
>doing this to KING
Good to know a holobronie manages this team. Fuck you

>>37218354
she used to be humble when she started, but now..

>>37217897
she played league with her boyfriend during coco's graduation

>>37218354
She let things get to her head, and it started to show on stream. It's really as simple as that, and it culminated in the whole 'condomn money for connor-lean' arc.

>>37218473
This is why Gura is on the top while Mori's light is dwindling.
Once you lost that "good grace" fans are gonna judge you solely based on your content quality, not because they appreciate that you created said content.

>>37218509
Now she literally said she thought that JPs wouldn’t want to collab with her anymore because she “was worthless”?

>>37218370
>management pull no male collab
what? didn't she just randomly play valorant with astel just days ago?

>>37218508
sorry but facts are facts nijibrony

>>37218430
>>37218431
Damn, why are rocket launches such a massive draw? Isn’t 2.3 Mil even higher than Mr Beast’s highest CCV?

>>37218183
>>37218249
No, this was a jork about the Ayame hating Koreans meme. I guess I didn't do it well.

>>37218183
>>37218249
Holy newfag

>>37218354
she lift the veil and let you and many other of her fans peer thru the illusion, even if you knew since the beginning that a great deal of the Mori persona she was putting forth was constructed as long as she wouldn't dispel that magic you could always fall back on it, this isn't even a trust / unicorn whatever issue, it's the foundation of vtubing and at large acting a role.

>>37218550
Talk about pitybaiting. What, is she fishing for some SCs?

>Almost same stream length
>Bae has more CCV but Kiara has more likes

>>37218571
Rockets are cool. Also small chance of huge explosion. Also with Falcon Heavy they had the dual booster landing which was cool af

>>37218283
Good conundrum you've presented, but I'm not familiar enough with her to do any evaluations. If she's doing her best and creating a good environment I'll define her with an idol moniker.

>>37218205
Good, now that realism.

>>37218610
It was a members only stream dipshit

>>37218527
Gura has never tried though

>>37218283
>Is Silvervale an Idol ?
Ask her if she considers herself one

>>37218631
And you can farm SCs from your members. That's where most of your paypigs are

>>37218558
That was last week.

>>37218571
Dunno about the others, but I was watching, hoping for the launch to epically fail so they stop wasting money on this boondoggle

>>37218508
>holos think I'm a nijifag because I add too many niji players to the team
>nijis think I'm a holofag because the team makes fun of nijis
I only follow the numbers

>>37218508
because he's a FUCKING JOBBER. How the fuck is he and sana losing to kobo

>>37218571
it's a spectacle. if it blows up, it's even more of a spectacle. starship launch in dec/jan will probably break 1m at least.

>>37218647
Exactly, she never tried to rock the boat, that's why she's on top. Good that you noticed, anon.

>>37218647
She's also never taken a flamethrower to her fanbase the same way Mori, Ame and Kronii have though. At worst, she's guilty of ghosting.

>>37218508
Is manager were a holo-die hard he would have been named pewter-king, not bronzeboi.

>>37218615
Bae had more Japanese tourists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z82yZaLYbt4
Does she have a death wish? It's a fucking Wednesday why is she streaming at this timeslot

>>37218631
mumei scs mostly on member streams..

Honestly the en scene is doomed at this point at this point many are there legit using it to become face cam streamers because every big en indie at this point doing body reveals even fucking shylily and rye.

>>37218631
>you can't farm SCs in members only streams

>>37218651
If the only requirement is to consider yourself an idol, then I'm an idol.

>>37218669
It's how you know you're doing a good job capturing the spirit of the thread. Keep on keeping on.

>>37218354
I also think she was really distressed by her social circle shaming her and she could only deal with it by being the way she is now.

>>37218681
Weren't they all responding to a few trolls and not their whole fanbase?

>>37218387
I've only ever seen her in collabs. I always found her too off putting to check out her solo streams.

do you think EN management back down from holoen tempus collab after seeing that it only killed the girls and didn't even help the homos numbers at all?

>>37218689
She camped at Gura's slot now. I mean, she only stream 3 times/week so it's a good move from her.
Too bad that day is also the day Gura streaming, though...

>>37218608
you're confusing giving the benefit of the doubt with being able to enjoy a clearly fake persona. It's not about being able to "fall back on it", it's about self-respect.

So, Ine finished streaming, she peaked at 17k
Once she was done fans just scattered to the other 2 Isegye and a bit to their manger, making them pass 10k too.

No raids.
A dedicated box is a frightening thing.

How the fuck is this random Lize stream outperforming every single Niji stream today

>>37218764
>goslings
>trolls

>>37217872
>HoloJP = Kemono Friends S1
>HoloEN = Kemono Friends S2
It's more like

>HoloJP = Saint Seiya
>HoloJP = Crunchyroll Knights of the Zodiac

Poor blue women...They overlapped too many hype things today, and it's likely their first collab too

>>37218832
its a collab with a rare partner

>>37218693
we always said EN would never work because western whores wouldnt be able to do it, they fooled us for a bit but it really was true aside from gura
like you look at the other ones who dont have menhera melts that they cant whore out on stream and its a literal jap hafu and two girls with boyfriends

>>37218764
none of them showed any nuance

>>37218879
What.

>>37218830
These girls won’t even be recognized in the top twitch vtubers kek

>>37218841
More like
>Berserk (manga)
>Berserk (animu 2016)

>Crunchyroll Knights of the Zodiac
Fucking trash that tarnished the name of the franchise, better have not touched it

>>37218370
Wait, they actually push a brake on it?

>>37218679
Holo en at this point is just Naruto
>Gura is Naruto was said to make through hardwork but got big thanks to having a massive gremlin trapped in her.
>Mori is Sasuke got jealousy got gura growth left the box for the powers of the darkside.
>Ame is rocklee can't really sing or dance but got to her place through hardwork.
>Kiara is sakura because she useless.
>Ina is Kakashi the chill one and cool one.

>>37218581
I was playing along with you. Guess that didn't go well either.

>>37218844
It's a shame, but that's just how it is sometimes. Pekora and Lamy are a pretty good duo and they bounce off each other well though.

>>37218917
Of course not, the only valid vtubers are from VShojo, and I guess that Shylily whore that the others hate.

>>37218932
>The shitposters are shonentards

>>37218911
He's calling the majority of EN V-Tubers whores. Aside from Gura, the only ENs that don't have menhera meltdowns are IRyS, Fauna and Mumei. Personally, I'd add Bae to that list, but she's a runt with no niche so who cares about her

>>37218951
https://youtu.be/0i4VBhm81UU?t=176

>>37218615
Myth is giga culled confirm?

>>37218939
Why the fuck are the past few days so hype anyway? Full of big collabs and announcement
I am struggling to find the energy to be hyped for anything anymore

>>37218764
Alas, there IS a reason I used the term Flamethrower.

>>37218974
Bae started as a whore

>>37218666
What’s your problem with the Artemis program? Seems like the only realistic long term plan that any space agency has concocted so far for actually putting people on Mars.

>>37218615
didn't >we warn (you) about the debuff euro hours?

>>37218974
But why only isolate Gura, what the fuck does their history have to do with how how they act on stream? Like why even mention Fauna and Mumei like that when they've done everything right by keeping it off screen (if they even still have them).

>>37218932
>Ame is rocklee can't really sing or dance but got to her place through hardwork.
Rock lee is also a genuine guy that only has bitterness towards himself though, never with anyone.

>>37219000
If Ame is responding to a troll mexican pesos superchat for example, why would other people who aren't trolls feel attacked?

>>37216029
Blue...

>>37218932
>Mori is Sasuke got jealousy got gura growth
I don't think Mori at this point minds that she isn't inclining anymore. She probably misses her indie times and not being in a spotlight.

>>37218879
It's not even about whore or not
Western women in general have this mindset that the world revolve around them and that everything else must change to accommodate them. Happened with Kson, happened with Mori and pretty much almost every big western female Vtuber
>"Muh changes"
>"Muh cultures"
>"I can do whatever I want"

>>37219003
Nah, I don't consider a chuuba a whore if they were honest about their male opinions/situation from the beginning.
Like some twitch ones I follow, one said how it was the guys she lives with that helped her become a chuuba and one other aalso lead up to her redebut saying how she lived with one of her mods.

>>37219052
The great majority of ENVTubers are whores.
Look, I am not saying that all ENVTubers are whore. If your oshi is not a whore you shouldn't feel attacked. Just admit ENVtubers are whores in general and be done with it

>>37219052
lol had to be a teammate

>>37216029
off a lot of the big hitters are on break right

>>37218932
>Gura is Naruto was said to make through hardwork but got big thanks to having a massive gremlin trapped in her.
Can you tards stop citing the Neji fight like it's the central theme of the show? Naruto's arc was about being an outcast who was shunned because of guilt by association. He always had a godlike amount of chakra but was too stupid to properly utilise it. The whole show was about Naruto earning the love and respect of his village, hence why he fought so hard to be Hokage. And it's why the end of the Pain arc where the townspeople were cheering him on and tossing him into the air is the culmination of the arc, showing that Naruto is now an accepted member of the village.

>>37219117
Who? Most of them are active no?

>>37219107
>hololiveEN cant work because western women want to whore out on stream
>no this one isnt an example of that because she just whored out from the start instead of pretending for a year and then whining she couldnt whore out

>>37218944
>Shoto
>Lilly
>Snuffy
Never recognized.

what is this fucking en naruto post holy shit i'm dying

>>37219193
Snuffy likes to take a lot of breaks.
>male
Wasn't it about female chuubas?

>>37219117
most holojp are back, only roboco is on hiatus

>>37219133
>showing that Naruto is now an accepted member of the village
They really need to just stop the series at that point, desu. Everything went downhill after that.