/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Taxation is theft.

>>37167425
>>37167488
I'm perfectly fine with millionaires paying more so everyone else can pay less.

>>37167488
thats help build infrastructure you caveman mongrel

Damn. If Lamy makes that much imagine how much the top Holos like Pekora, Gura, Marine, Miko etc make

VTubers will save Japan's economy

>>37167627
Lamy may not be a top tier but she is shrewd bussinesswoman and already arranged for herself a sake production bussiness not even 2 years into her holo job.

>>37167719
if this isn't a rrat she's based

>>37167488

A millionaire will never fuck you (except monetarily)

>>37167557
>>37167563
>>37167859
I'm actually wealthier than her. She deserves it for working hard, the government needs to stop mooching off her.

>>37168018
HOLY SHIZO

>>37167809
Yeah, she actually won a bronze medal this year competing against something like 2000 drinks from different companies.

>>37169497
Didn't she just do a branding deal with an existing sake company?

>>37168018
>working hard
buddy she gets drunk and plays twister with korone and gets PAID for it

i would literally give away anything in my possession to experience that for a day

>>37169639
I think he's a bit confused, the company she's working with has also done a collab with Pekora and now also Noel. It isn't her own sake production business, however I'm sure she gains some money from all these sales. They run out of stock within half an hour of going up.

captcha OMGNPP

>>37167425
Jesus Christ that's a lot of taxes. Who fucking tolerates 45%?

>>37167719
Lamy had said before that her dad is the head of a big/major company. Wouldn’t be surprising if her dad taught her some business sense as part of her upbringing.

>>37167425
>100 million yen
you good dog?

Can I still buy lamy water?

>>37170006
in a country with good public services and health care? I wouldn't mind

>>37167488
and that's a good thing

>>37167425
EOPkun, 100万 is 1 million.

>>37167425
>numbernigger
>retarded
every time

>>37170193
You think she only paid a million yen in taxes?

https://youtu.be/1TSuD8ruB5I

>>37170244
I want to know where you think you're getting her tax information from.

>>37170006
I doubt poorfags are paying 45% in taxes in Japan

>>37170006
A country that's safe and has good to great public infrastructure.

>>37167563
It’s cute that you think your taxes go anywhere but shipped overseas to fight America’s forever wars.

As expected of the only artist of the group.

>>37170336
from OP

>>37170193
Just think about it for a second, does that number seem right to you? Holomems are literally all billionaires (in yen but still)

>>37170419
>Holomems are literally all billionaires (in yen but still)
Bro... are you good?

>>37170006
45% is for the top bracket, for people whose income is over ¥40M
5% for people with income less than ¥2M

>>37167425
I love my shrewd bussinesswoman so much

>>37170192
Real talk, it is.
Taxes are the only way that millionaires can be forced to give a fuck about the society that enables them. Unless you grew up in a fucking cave raised by cave bats and taught how to speak / craft by them, you've only gotten this far thanks to the people who took care of you, whether that's your parents or a social worker who took care of you is irrelevant to me - the point is that people who earn a lot of money should be have the right to keep most of it, but because so many people who earn a lot of money refuse to put any of it into stabilizing society and keep it to themselves out of greed, the government needs to step in and make sure we don't enable another fucking underground aristocracy of billionaires and millionaires who genocide the poor.

We don't live in the medieval age anymore people, everyone who respect other people's right to life deserves to live with dignity, too.

>>37167627
Lamy makes more than most of them in superchats. Not sure about the sponsorships and other revenue sources though. In general, I think her viewers are just worth more.

>>37171243
Kill yourself, leecher.

>>37167488
It's theft only when the government is shit

>>37167627
Lamy has the gfe market cornered. She makes most than your average holo.

>>37167425
Where did she say it?

>>37167563
in israel maybe

>>37171795
Nonsense, her superchat is only average

>>37172081
Lol.

>>37167425
>From Lamy 3D live stream today she said she paid around ¥100M for her annual income.
...When?

>>37172118
Lamy was #18 in superchat in September, with $17k

>>37167425
Jesus fuck

>>37167563
No fucking way there is people this naive...

Man, all these girls are millionaires living the good life. And I'm just a failure by comparison.

>>37167425
Taxes suck, but it's heartwarming to see Lamy has earned a buck. She's great.

>Be Wamy
>Born an ojou
>Fall in love with Hololive
>Never gave up into getting into Hololive
>Meet your oshis
>Took the idol path
>Succeed
>Now rich famous GFE queen that probably earns more than daddy.


>>37172195
Retardchama...she's the #4 active SC earner for the company.

>>37170145
Have you SEEN how expensive Japan already is?

>>37172648
Your fault for not being a cute Japanese girl.

>>37172648
at least you are not a jap woman

>>37167425
B-but niji said they poor and got shitty sc, that meant they poorer than every niji.

>>37172195
Yes, hololive chubba are poorer than niji, look at her sc, there no way she could afford an extravagant life much less a middle class life like every niji chubba. Kek

>>37170850
>¥2M
How the fuck could you even keep a roof over your head with that low of an income in japan, much less feed yourself?

>>37174678
Japan actually has a very low cost of living comparatively. Rent is low because of autism over living in someone else's house and they're extremely price sensitive over food.

>>37167488
Especially in Japan
>>37167678
Maybe but when the economy is saved do you think the government will lower taxes?

>>37175438
What's a normal monthly overhead in Japan? Because that low end of 2M yen is less than 15k annually in the US which is pathetic even in cheap places.

>>37172195
She barely streamed in September.

>>37167488
Hope you paid the road you use every day from your pocket.

>>37176620
I use toll roads so yeah I do

Tell me more about this million dollar lamy gfe content

>>37175531
>>37167678
Their economy is dead because innovative beverage producers like Lamy get half of their income taken away

>>37176620
I should be able to open my own toll road on my property, yes.

>>37172195
What about October?

>>37176447
It also feels like she changed up her streaming patterns a lot because of throat issues. Her drinking streams were kind of her signature, but she hasn't done many of those lately.

>>37169854
Forget getting paid, I'd pay good money to get drunk and roll around with Korone

>>37178849
This but botan

>>37172454
Americans are really that retarded. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a 3rd world commie to them.

>>37167557
>I pay less to my pedophile globalist leaders so taxation is based
Thanks for the Ukraine gibmedats, goyim

>>37170145
>Buerocratic ineffeciceny rampant
>Have a culture that leasy leaves it semi-fuctional
>You most likely dont live there
>Live in western hellhole where taxmoney buys vote slaves and politician mansions

>>37170006
At least Her tax properly allocated for infrastructure like Bullet train and metro lines. This is why Japanese public transport really neat.

whered you even get this info from?

>>37177066
Nope is dead beacuse japanese don't spend money they'll prefer to save it

>>37176620
Why do you guys default to this shitty argument when there's things like schools, with kids using them who aren't mine?

>>37167627
Lamy makes more than Pekora, Gura and Miko. Not sure about Marine.
I don't even want to imagine how much money Coco and Rushia made.

>>37173343
>at least you weren't born the superior race and gender
nice way to rub it in faggot

>>37185612
Because there are also services you use that others don't, and this is the most practically effective way to create them, otherwise we'd naturally do something else. Ideas are also a free-market.
You don't fund the fire department in the hopes that you're going to have to use it.

why is there still no timestamp I didn't hear her say anything about taxes

>>37173030
japan is fucking cheap bro. you can get a decent size studio apartment for 800 bucks. healthy fast food is pretty cheap as well, a meal with rice, fish, and miso is only 5 bucks. the only thing really expensive is produce.

>>37185634
I really doubt she comes even close to what first army holomems make. Donations are a relatively small part of big streamers total income.

>>37167425
Imagine how much she could make if Cover hire less useless people

>>37167563
yes goyim, oh btw gib me 8 billion again for ukraine

>>37167425
If you do that you deserve to be poor and i can guarantee you that her accounting person didn't went that way.

>>37187885
Lamy is in most corporate merch collabs. Whenever there is a limited amount of stocked merch she is either the first or one of the first to sell her stuff out. Idk what this first army shit means.

>>37167488
fippybippy

>>37188548
>Idk what this first army shit means
The most watched, the ones with the biggest audience.

>>37188984
She sells more voice packs than most of the ones with the biggest audience, why is it so unbelievable that she can also move more merch?

Pack Valentine Voice 2022
>$16,929 :: $9 :: 1881 :: Minato Aqua
>$16,362 :: $162 :: 101 :: Full Set
>$15,705 :: $9 :: 1745 :: Yukihana Lamy
>$14,796 :: $9 :: 1644 :: Houshou Marine
>$12,492 :: $9 :: 1388 :: Murasaki Shion
>$10,476 :: $9 :: 1164 :: Oozora Subaru
>$9,594 :: $9 :: 1066 :: Sakura Miko
>$8,775 :: $9 :: 975 :: Usada Pekora
>$8,532 :: $9 :: 948 :: Amane Kanata
>$7,884 :: $9 :: 876 :: Momosuzu Nene
>$7,155 :: $9 :: 795 :: Shiranui Flare
>$6,237 :: $9 :: 693 :: Shirogane Noel
>$6,219 :: $9 :: 691 :: Tsunomaki Watame
>$5,922 :: $9 :: 658 :: Omaru Polka
>$5,571 :: $9 :: 619 :: Shishiro Botan
>$3,483 :: $9 :: 387 :: Natsuiro Matsuri
>$3,393 :: $9 :: 377 :: Tokino Sora
>$2,178 :: $9 :: 242 :: Yuzuki Choco
>$1,989 :: $9 :: 221 :: Yozora Mel
>$1,854 :: $9 :: 206 :: AZKi
>$1,602 :: $9 :: 178 :: Aki Rosenthal

I bet people will argue that superchats matter when I'm pretty sure a bulk of their income would come from membership which is more stable by comparison, ad revenue from videos, sponsorship streams, con fees and merchandise sales. Gura broke records of birthday merch sale of dino Gura alone and it seems so far ahead in first place that she said it "obliterated it" and Gura is not much of a bragger with how little she tries to bait superchats and celebrate milestones while others make a spectacle of it so you know she is serious when she says it. Even if there is a youtube leak similar to twitch, you'll still likely never get the full picture. Amaranth showed she got $30 million off Onlyfans alone. Youtube could potentially be just an iceberg compared when you add everything up that they contribute on and behind the streams.

>>37189427
>why is it so unbelievable that she can also move more merch?
It's not unbelievable but due to the sheer size of their audience it's much more likely for them to move more money, be it from sponsors, merch, members or whatever.
Don't have it on hand but there's that pic showing Pekora selling over 1m USD with a single merch run, for example.

Lamy needs to hire a better accountant to protect her earnings

>>37189936
Much more likely =/= impossible, much less "doesn't even come close". Are you under the impression she's some 2k streamer? She's smaller, sure, but not that far behind this supposed 1st army in terms of audience size.

>>37187885
you know she has her own sake that is produced and sold every other season right

So after taxes, Lamy is pretty much the equivalent of a millionaire (Currently $920k but before the yen crashed it would have been more like $1.1 million). Safe to say at least a half dozen or dozen of the other girls are around this benchmark as well. I'd imagine even the Holos at the opposite end who are the least financially successful still come in at $200k-250k yearly after taxes.

>>37189427
After the PPT-shirt it is known that cover invovles (including startup money) their talents and mangers about the number they produce. sold out merch doesn't mean much if only 70 is produced. Lamy is known to sell out fast and in masses. If they dare to numbersign their merch we would have more clues but right now sold out merchs means nothing other than they reached the numbers they expected.

>>37190188
I literally said "It's not unbelievable". If anything it's you, or whoever I replied to originally, the one being sure about Lamy being the richest Holomem.
>>37190462
You mean the same Pegor had, as this anon said? >>37169866

>>37167488
FPBP

>>37190625
It's a while back but I think some of the Holostars (can't remember if it was Oga or Aruran) mentioned offhand that Roboco was taking home over $200,000 USD yearly, and this was early Hololive around mid-2019 for a smaller member. Superchat is pretty much nothing to the top tier Holo.

>>37190781
Yeah, Pekora has a plum wine that is sold by them. I don't know the details of their collab though, if I had to guess it's probably similar to the Kurand collabs that roll around every so often; a talent picks a flavor they like and the company slaps their face on a bottle to sell. If that's incorrect I apologize. I do know that Lamy was extremely involved in the process of making her own sake. She has a playlist on her channel with 7 streams documenting the work she did alongside Meiri Shurui. Whether that affects how much one gets paid over the other is not for me to say. All I know is those two girls pretty much made that mom and pop sake brewery filthy rich.

>>37167563
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HOLY SHIT
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
IF THEY HAVE THE MONEY PRINTER WHY THEY CAN'T JUST PRINT MORE MONEY TO BUY THE INFRASTRUCTURE INSTEAD OF TAXING THE CATTLE?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

>>37190960
I don't think we would have endless Watame and Nene superchat readings if they mean nothing.

>>37167557
Sweet summer child, rich people don't pay taxes.
They literally have people on payroll to figure out so that they can avoid paying taxes.

>>37167488
Can't trust the guvment to do spit

>>37190175
thinking about this a bit more, she probably has a good accountant and just earned even more than this

>>37167488
i fucking hate american right wing clowns so much

>>37167563
I can actually see where my tax money goes in Japan, at least. Snow gets cleared every day and accidents on even minor roads are completely cleaned up and fixed as if nothing happened within a day. Got sent enough food (actually filling for three meals a day too) and supplies as well as monitoring equipment for the entire time I was forced to quarantine due to coof, and had the money I spent on testing kits refunded fully.

>>37189427
>ASMR blondes Choco, Mel and Aki near the bottom; Noel merely in middle of pack
Uh...what? I mean I get that fan popularity is probably a larger factor in sales for these but does ASMR not give a noticeable boost at all? Surprised an Aqua voice pack came in as #1

>>37171395
So it's theft.

>>37191315
for watame and the watamates, its basically therapy
for the nene and nekkos, its just gfe and loving the attention

>>37195859
I mean, it's Aqua. Just let that sink in for a moment: Aqua's valentine voice pack.
I bet Suisei bought like 1000 copies of it, just in case.

Eat the rich

>>37167425
And that's why I'll never donate, never superchat, never member.

>>37167488
fpbp
commies seething

>>37185634
Oh no. Definitely not. Lamy doesnt make as much as Pekora, Aqua, Marine. Suisei. Maybe you are mistaking superchats earning for general income but rememebr they are only 10% of their total income.

>>37167557
>>37167563

>>37167425
s-suddenly I don't want to be Lamy anymore...

>>37192036
she's not that rich
actual rich people don't even pay taxes or pay so little they don't even feel it

Lamy is one of the higher superchatted members so pekora probably has 2 million. And with inflation she will soon have zero, yen is trash.

>>37167425
Any autists out there want to tally up her SCs so we can determine how much they made outside of streaming?

>>37170419
Bro check your pocket for a quarter, you might be a trillionaire (in Zimbabwean dollars but still)

>>37167425
Source? Where/when did she ever say this?

>>37167563
Retard

>>37167488
Waluigi?

>>37170351
You mean the ones we didn't even declare?

>>37191315
It's not like SC is completely nothing, but SC is kind of insignificant when compared to merch sales, sponsorships and ticket sales
Even Coco said SC is just a small portion of her total earnings and Coco was the top SC earner at the time

>>37167488
Go to bed Ron Paul.

>>37167425
>Unemployment insurance
I could use some of that.

Coco hasn't been a part of Hololive for 2 years+ so whatever she said is outdated and i wouldn't trust a single thing she says in the first place."Ms Vshit isn't a company"

>>37170016
She better have ppl hired full time to manage her shot bc she’s failing fucking miserably if she’s cutting 100 mill yen checks to daddy nip, there’s so many loopholes internationally she has the right ppl working for her. Lol bc kill me before I cut 44% of my income to fucking anybody.

>>37202463
Coco, before she graduated, said SCs were like 30% of her earnings, and this was when she was the #1 SC and also when Cover didn't have as many sponsors, events or promotions, and Coco wasn't exactly a magnet for those even back then.

>>37201621
Hey burger people, fix your homelessness first before steal it for lazy check.

At least in japan, the improvement is tangible.

>>37204827
*cheque

>>37204498
they had free gifts in the mail then and she got millions worth of gifts by mail

>OP didn't source his claims
>everyone takes it at face value
This fucking board

>>37201621
>roads become privatized
>have to pay money to use roads

>>37205246
Do you have a source on that?

Source?

A source. I need a source.

Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.

You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

Do you have a degree in that field?

A college degree? In that field?

Then your arguments are invalid.

No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

Correlation does not equal causation.

CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.

Nope, still haven't.

I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.

female chuubas are living the dream

>>37175438
>>37175598
Actually it's a bit more nuanced than that.
Tokyo(as in the central 23 wards) is among some of the most expensive places in the world. Then there's everything in Kanto outside of that, as well as of big metropolies like Osaka or Fukuoka, which are in line with western european counterparts. Then there's cities like Kanazawa and Shizuoka which are cheaper due to lower overall importance of the city. And then there's cheap cities like Takamatsu or Gifu where my eastern european wage would actually give me BETTER living conditions than I have here.

>>37206055
I was about to call bullshit, but then I went and checked and saw pic related.
>that last row
And some politicians are saying that we are already earning "too much" Jesus fucking Christ

>>37167563
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>37167488
FPBP

>>37205737
This, but unironically.

>>37201005
Lamy is a savvy business woman who makes more in merch and the liquor she sells to lonely ojiisaans and salarymen. She barely even stream GFe anymore. She’s mendokusai onna experience now

>>37167425
Nijis makes at least twice that

>>37167627
yeah and mel

>>37199286
New narrative now is that superchats were the main income of livers. Before it was merch though , until milord debuted and nijisanji became a public company

All I know about the stream is that she splurged 1,000,000 yen to celebrate her 1m subs. Her 1m reward was her merch to be displayed in some jap aquarium.

>>37167425
How can this be??? I thought even the top talents in the industry were only making maximum about 30k a year.

>>37167488
This tbdesu. Do away with taxation and have all services be on the market. That way you get competition that raises the standards of the services, and any service that isn't wanted is responsively removed.

>>37167557
Poorfag here. I'm not. Why should the productive be punished and the unproductive rewarded?

>>37210114
Why should the unproductive be forced to suffer so the productive can have even more that they don't need? Why are you so sure those who have wealth have earned it through productivity?

>>37210174
>Why should the unproductive be forced to suffer
The unproductive (including myself here) should be allowed to be unproductive, but then should not expect others to produce what they need in order not to suffer for them.
I'm not saying that everyone who has money is productive, but that solution isn't to penalise people who have money (both earned and say inherited) and redistribute it to people who don't. This isn't going to magically make them productive people. It's only going to train and incentivise them to not work for money, and teach the people who have made a lot of money legitimately that they will be disproportionately stolen from.

just keeping the thread open to see if we ever get a timestamp but now it's just filled with libertarian rubes... fuckssake

>>37208885
>New
bruh moment

>>37167627
>>37185634
>Literally arguing which millionaire make more.
they're all fucking filthy rich, who cares. This is I never SC a Holo, rather spend my money on an indie that actually need the money.

>>37215519
>thinking people SC them to saviordag them
A lot of people just want to get that rush of euphoria when their name and SC is read by their oshi

>>37167425
In a zatsu about a year ago she mentioned her first tax bill after joining hololive and talked about how wonderful it was that everyones donations loop back around to help them out with public services. I thought at the time how appalled she would be with me if she ever knew about vast amount of tax fraud I commit

>>37178912
This but Botan and Koone at the same time
Captcha: MAHO4

>>37217626
Not only that but the "Discord fan community" catches all SC. Back when i was still a Koronesuki people pointed out when a regular didn't donate and people mentioned "crazy" SC and if this is your only connection to people you keep doing that shit.

>>37167425
how much is yakuza money laundering?

>>37210114
What do you work in that a japanese girl screeching in front of a microphone is producing more benefits to society than you? She is getting paid to do what others consider only a hobby, how do you lose against that?

>>37205406
You have to pay for them in California already and its owned by the state.

>>37167425
>Be woman
>Make 1.6m doing nothing
I hate women so much it's unreal but I hate simps more

>>37230198
So in your opinion people in the entertainments should be getting paid piss all because their services are not essential? Good thing tha market disagrees with you.

>>37199189
>Commies
People been paying taxes since the earliest civilizations.

>>37237034
It's your own fault for being both ugly and dumb.
You also got bullied in your youth because you deserved it.

>>37237034
You could make the same amount of money with photoshop, voice changer, make up, camera filters etc. Creating a feminine persona on the internet while being a male is not hard nowadays. You are just a bitter coward.

>>37237147
Not really, you just put words in my mouth. You're the one who thinks people are paid according to how much they benefit society which is something not only wrong but also stupid exactly because people in the entertaintment industry exist.

>>37167488
based

bros I thought Cover was a dark company that steals all their talents' money?

>>37200862
If someone makes over 500k in yearly income I see no issue with taxing that at close to 80%+ >500k. imo anything under 100k should be tax free, with increasing brackets past that. This would of course, be a maximum and the actual tax would only be to the level needed to fund projects

>>37169866
Most likely she wouldn't see the bulk of the profits from a deal like that, since the brand/IP isn't hers to begin with. The money she would get would probably be through the advertising she'd be paid by cover. At least that's how that kinda stuff is normally done in the west

>>37170006
Japan actually has noticeable public services for their taxes rather than here in America where our taxes are used for servants of moloch

>>37246961
Kek

>>37246961
Spoken like someone who has never been to Japan

>>37189525
People who argue about SC are mostly nijinig, they are too retarded not to know using SC are the worst form of support.

>>37239750
You're not fit to say what's benefitting society, or not.

>>37172195
How does this add up to netting a million usd a year before other expenses? Youtube gets a cut, hololive gets a cut, she would have to be making like 3mil usd if it were from superchats that's obviously not possible.

>>37205406
You still have to pay for tolls on roads in america even though they're public.

>>37258593
But didn't you admit yourself that their services are not essential? Make up your mind. In any case, I AM fit to say what benefits society or not because I'm a part of it. Still, productivity does not translate into your paycheck and that is a fact.

Btw, I would love to know who is "fit" to say what benefits society or not lmao

>>37167488
fpbp

so you're telling me these japanese girls in their 20s sit in front of a computer and stream with an anime avatar 2-3 hours a day 5 days a week and are millionaires?
If God exists he ought to burn in hell for this inequality.

>>37264590
Get better job than burger flipper loser.

>>37264590
Why are you surprised? It's pretty damn well known that successful content creators make bank by now. And every Holo - even the low tier ones - are relatively successful.
The only difference between them and your 9-5 job is that the unsuccessful ones make literally less than minimum wage, and that's the majority of them. The top 1% of any industry is probably going to be better than your average 9-5 job.

>>37167425
and this is why i must /become/

timestamp or gtfo

>>37264590
They have behind the scene works too
It's not like everyone can get a ticket to get into Hololive anyway

>>37237468
>My anime waifu deserves to make millions because she's pretty
Kys simplord

>>37192692
>i fucking hate american right wing clowns so much

>>37167488
based

>>37172648
The downside to the wealth and fame is that you have to live in constant fear of stalking & doxxing and never living a quiet life.
Everything you do and say is monitored and one fuck up can cost you your entire career.
Also, your entire revenue would be reliant on the internet.