/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

kronii, bae, ame, calli, and ina are anti hololive

>>37157062
laziest bait thread I've seen in ages

When will we break out of the timeloop?

Is that why all the whores are quickly backtracking to try and recapture some of those gachikoi? Kronii just loves ASMR so much doesn't she?

You're wrong. I'm a homofag and I don't want the girls collabing with my bros. I only want solo streams and collabs with Stars and Stars JP. Not fair the boys are so easily accessible to the girls.

>>37157107
Proof that Kronii is doing this to win back fans? She has only kept them happy as far as I know.

Based, please put Kronii in the subject or the message so my filter catches it I'm done hearing about this woman from whiny retards on this board

>>37157062
People think it's some kind of big gotcha thing to go "ha! you can't ACTUALLY prove it's wrong! show me the law being broken!" kind of shit but you're forgetting, this is entertainment. Does she have the right to do what she wants within Cover's boundaries? Sure. But we also have the right to say if we think it's shit content and a bad direction.

There's no law being broken to criticize a chuuba either but much of this community sure as all fucking hell pretends like there is. There isn't. It's fucking normal to say content took a bad turn - a game series turned to crap, Star Wars has been bad ever since the OT, Star Trek's been bad since JJ Abrams etc. If those media ran like how people try to gaslight vtuber viewers you'd get hounded as an overall Star Wars hater for not liking the prequels but loving the originals. It doesn't actually compute.

>>37157136
>She has only kept them happy as far as I know.
All her numbers have been falling through the fucking floor anon. She used to be the most popular member of Council but now she's nearing Bae tier.

>>37157267
Most of the community simply disagreed that it turned bad. If you don't want to support her that's fine. Don't like it, don't watch. Move on, support someone else.

>>37157424
>Most of the community simply disagreed that it turned bad
Why do all of HoloEN except Gura struggle to break 10k CCV these days? Twitter trannies are loud but they don't watch streams

>>37157424
We are allowed to be angry in place of the fans, they don't know what is good for them since they wear rose-tinted glasses

>>37157296
And Bae didn't keep her people happy? Is your point that she is only as good at it as Bae?

>>37157062
There's literally everything wrong with it. Mixer culture is dull and the reason I chose Hololive over Niji to begin with.

>>37157466
You're not good for them.

>>37157101
>states a basic, normal fact
>bait

>>37157424
The issue I see is that the part of the community that doesn't think it's bad gets its panties twisted like a tornado seeing ANY fucking voice of dissent at all from that hivemind opinion. They literally can't accept that someone just doesn't like male collabs and never will and thus you get threads like OP starting fights over and over trying to change peoples' concluded minds.

They think making hamfisted moral/ethical superiority arguments will convince their opponents. They won't. It's like arguing to stop watching porn because it's immoral, that is probably not gonna work. It's not identity politics, it's fucking entertainment, not only that but some of the most vapid entertainment that is purposefully depoliticized on the planet.

>>37157526
>it's bad but also it's just entertainment
Either it's important enough to care about, or it isn't. I care about how the collabs are, not about who is participating in them. I don't care who's mad about it. It wasn't relevant when Myth debuted and it's not relevant now.

>>37157062
in a logical stance.. it really isn't but you can't expect a board full of schizoids to actually admit it do you?

>>37157062
Fuck your hive mentality.
Go back to twitter and pleddit, you mindless drone.

>>37157083
Sources your head.

>>37157877
it's disingenuous to call people who have a disagreement about media content crazy. they're not. they're not you. and probably, they were watching Hololive for fucking years before you if they have it really really baked-in that Hololive = cute girls strictly and nothing else. it's the 2020+ newfags, the nijiEN newfags etc who think there's nothing off about it.

>>37157062
There is nothing wrong with it if you want the main differentiating factor that hololive has over nijisanji, vshojo and circles of indies to disappear, if you care about maintaining that uniqueness then it is absolutely wrong, at least what we were seeing in the first couple of weeks after the collab ban lifted, things seemed to have slowed down completely now and if it continues in this vein with the very occasional collab similar to holoJP barely anybody will complain, and if they had done this from the start instead there would be a lot less bitterness towards tempus in the first place.

>>37157910
The irony.

Reminder that males who arent you have sex with your oshi and you cant stop it

>>37157923
>Hololive = cute girls strictly and nothing else. it's the 2020+ newfags
Sora had a duet with virtual gorilla in 2018. It hasn't been cute girls strictly for a long while.
https://youtu.be/zsBD66Sa5Yg
>>37157931
Holostars has been active since 2019 and some parts of Hololive have been collabing with them ever since. Now it's some part of Myth and Council and ID collabing with Tempus. How is this anything but mirroring the main branch?

This thread was generated by an algorithm

>>37158167
Yet again here's the tired as fuck argument that JP has had a few exceptions (and Fubuki) thus it's fine if the ENs make like a third of their content constant Stars collabs and also that it's fine that the EN Stars share a discord with the Live talents - which FYI is extremely unlike how JP stars goes. A crack existing is being exploited to justify a yawning chasm in how the branches run. Do you really think anybody who actually cares buys this shit? It's entry-level and incomplete information used to try to convince newfags in discord who literally don't know any better and don't know JP nearly enough to realize that 99.9% of JP streams are Stars-free, and that in-company male collabs are quite worse than out-of-company promos/one off events.

>>37158211
Nope :)

>>37158167
Notice how I said
>very occasional collab similar to holoJP
I am well aware it happens, but it happens every couple of months with maybe one or two girls out of the entire company
Now compare that to tempus post collab ban lifting, two immediate group collabs with more every week because of ames tourney, multiple one on ones, all in the first couple of weeks.
More than you would get on the JP side in literal years in a matter of weeks. Those two things are not comparable and it was perfectly reasonable for people to be concerned that the identity of holoEN was changing entirely.

another useless thread about unitysharts burying their heads in sand from facts since 2019 to own le haters
why not find more part-time jobs to fund the bots to keep up with the recline?

nothing wrong. also nothing wrong with me not watching her.

>>37157083
No, they are Holopro

>>37158288
>Do you really think anybody who actually cares buys this shit?
I care and do.
>it's fine that the EN Stars share a discord with the Live talents
The JPs - Hololive and Stars - can visit each other in person more easily than most foreigners and there are options outsideof Discord. The choice of communication channel is irrelevant. And unless you work with HoloJP I am going to trust your knowledge on how they communicate as little as everyone else's. The girls can lie about the means and frequency of talking to Stars because it'd make for bad PR. I am not taking their on-stream statements about this without a grain of salt. I just accept that I can't know who they are talking to becauseit's outside of my control.

>>37158545
whoa

>>37157910
retard

>>37158288
>a third of their content constant Stars collabs
Why make up stuff?

>>37158349
Unfortunately, their identity changes all the time. Once Stars was announced, once the Holocaust happened, once HoloCN was terminated, once HoloEN ended up exploding their popularity globally. I admit that the proportions are different, but this is not what changed their identity from "mostly girls". Yagoo deciding to have a Stars branch that collabs with Hololive did.

>>37157062
So true sis

>>37158588
NTA but the shared discord was leaked accidently in what the second week of Altare streaming? If something like that existed on the JP side do you really think some similar leak would have happened by now? I think it is far more reasonable to assume what we are generally told is correct, they are different branches with entirely different management structures and collabs are organised through managers, that is not to say that some of the talents don't talk behind the scenes and I agree that it is rather pointless to speculate about it.

The shared discord on the holoEN side however is just another sign that management are pushing for more integration than the JP side ever had, they share some of the same managers, they organise collabs in said discord to the exclusion of girls who are not interacting with the stars.
If they had the same structure as holoJP, the girls who wanted to collab could choose to do so anyway through any number of channels but the existence of a "holopro" server makes it that much harder for the girls who don't want to collab to do their own thing and ignore them like the JP girls do. If nearly half the girls are hanging out in the unity server, organising collabs there ect. where does that leave Gura, Fauna, Mumei, Kiara and IRyS?

Never respond to invitations in the holopro discord because of the potential for surprise males? Two different cliques forming? None of that is good for holoEN unity and although there is nothing fundamentally wrong with some of the girls wanting to do stuff with the stars occasionally the separation was important and management made a mistake getting rid of it.

>>37157083
Based. Fuck those whores.

>>37158290
This post was generated by an algorithm

>>37157062
And then she starts bleeding viewers.

>>37159034
>this is not what changed their identity from "mostly girls". Yagoo deciding to have a Stars branch that collabs with Hololive did.
I can agree with you there at least, it is clearly a management decision to push the branch in a different direction, I won't get into numberfagging but time will tell whether it was the correct move or whether they are having second thoughts about it.

>>37157083
Based

>>37157062
I mean there isn’t, but I don’t want to hear voices of men who aren’t my bros and those guys aren’t my bros sadly.

>>37157062
exactly. imagine watching EN. Reminder that Tempura is EN3

>>37159239
I feel like Yagoo doesn't actually quite understand the entirety of the beast he's created and much-less so the EN branch in specific (he isn't exactly fluent in English). That and/or EN management took advantage of his naivete about things and/or fed him lies and/or twisted his words to justify what they've done. Seems rather likely actually. Yagoo is probably more famous to the public than he actually-is relevant to the company in the day-to-day feel. Mumei didn't even know who he was initially (that or she's playing dumb to a fault there).

Where I work we also have a CEO, but I never talk to him, nor do I really have reason to nor does he need to talk to me much about anything. He organizes big meetings of everyone where he's talking on stage to hundreds of people etc every once in a while and goes around talking about direction the company's going, how things have been and things in the works etc. I'd suspect Yagoo is kinda like that. Cover until recently wasn't big enough for the CEO to be just "that guy up there in charge of.. stuff, but he's not my boss or my boss' boss" but it seems it's getting there now.

>>37159397
In a 150-300 employee company it's not uncommon to be able to talk to the CEO directly at least a few times a year

>>37159397
Oh I agree, that poster used yagoo as a stand in for management but I am sure most of these decisions have been the result of EN management taking liberties.

>>37157083
You don't watch Hololive much ain't ye?

>>37157083
t. deflecting hooman

ENs live and stars should collab as if they're not 2 sub branches
Listening the uwu teehee girly shit in english is cringe cringe cringe

>>37157062
prove it

>>37157062
You're right, there's nothing wrong with making HoloEN irrelevant by allowing it

>>37157062
I'm going to bump your bait thread, because I like watching beggars beg.

>>37157083
FpBp

>>37157113
Then fight for the boys to stop collabing with the whores as well you lazy faggot.

>>37164117
>>37165015
samefag

I wouldn't mind male collabs if there was some mega hardline seiso male but there just isn't. As it is male collabs are just a slippery slope into making the branch into terrible nijiEN style shitshow. If I wanted to watch that I'd watch that.

>>37158288
>thus it's fine
That the point, it is fine. Stop being a fucking sperg and just don't watch the male collabs if they bother you. Just grow the fuck up FFS.

>>37157062
And then she stops collabing with Tempus and does an ASMR stream.

>>37157517
>doubles down on the bait

>>37157444
Because gura was always the 1st vtuber in the world, fucking retarded onecorn

>>37157062
If your love one was raped by a bunch of niggers, would you say there is nothing wrong with it?

>>37157507
Hololive is a lesbian mixer according to your deranged unicorn mind. Not even, if you watch streams, yo know that the hetero shipbait is almost non existent, even in Nijien

>>37160257
Watching men hiding behind anime veneers is the epitome of cringe, bested only by thinking any of them are “your bros”.

>>37157062
nigga how much are they paying you for this post?

>>37170318
Bested by thinking any of these people are anything to any of you

Some of the first clips that made me aware of Hololive were Matsuri's collab with Chaika and Subaru's collab with Maimoto. Girls collabing with guys isn't a new concept by any means, and Tempus brought a new dynamic and variety to HoloEN which I personally enjoy.
Mori, Kronii, and Bae vibe with the boys really well, while Gura, Fauna, and Iryis will never interact with them which is totally fine.
I don't think the male collabs will ever get to Nijisanji level and completely disrupt the Hololive brand like some people here fear.

I have zero problem with male collabs, but the way its played out has been exhausting.