/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>36997146
theyre not sexy little catamites

they're good

>>36997146
"the best one" doesn't stream

>>36997146
3 of them sound either gay or retarded. the 'best' one his main appeal is that he is an old man
I dont mind watching male streamers, but if I wanted entertainement I sure as fuck wouldnt find it at tempus

>>36997146
Shit designs.
Shit personalities (except vampire dude).
Associate with shit people (again, except vampire dude)

>>36997146
The only one I have an issue with is Vesper. His zatsus' quality dropped after monetization, now it's just SC reading streams

>>36997146
Jobber guild and nobody has streamed for the last 10ish hours

>>36997146
They aren't entertaining. I wish them nothing, but success just don't force me to watch.

>>36997146
They don’t collab with StarsJP enough (if at all). I get there’s a language barrier, but I unironically think both Stars and Holo EN have this as their problem, that they don’t do enough reps.
Irys and Kiara and Axel and Bae should all probably listen to this piece of advice: knowing Japanese is good. It’s great. But don’t use it in solo streams, use it to set up collabs with JP. And do so both to do the collabs but also to convince your groupmates that at least doing enough reps to communicate a bit with JP is the best way to make the audience more robust and less liable to tanking because of cross-gender collabs.

>>36997368
He's not a vampire though

>>36997368
>vampire
meds

They will never be as funny or as interesting as vinesauce or jerma (brotuber genesis)

>>36997146
Only blue and orange stream
Blue is only good at collabs
Orange have shitty Japanese taste in games
Purple is gay and have daddy issues
Gray is gay, pander his fujo audience a lot, have a great taste in games but doesn't stream

The idea of Stars should have been to reach out for a new audience, not cannibalize a preestablished one. It's not bringing in any new money. The reason why Holostars floundered so hard is their failure to follow the example of Nijisanji. You might hate Fujos, but they are an undertapped market for Cover. They could have been doing something approaching Luxiem numbers if they didn't immediately use the Hologirls as a crutch instead of expanding outwards on their own.

>>36997146
I like watching them but I do have something to say for each of them.
Vesper: He let's his chat have free reign over him a lot of the time, if SC's go in a bad direction, he won't try to stir the conversation back.
Magni: Wish he'd do more loopstation, it's fun watching him create stuff
Altare: I actually have the least criticism for Altare, just go back to the LoZ streams and finish it.
Axel: Aniki, you're improving as a streamer slowly, keep it up. And please collab with rpr more, the banter is so good.

>>36997146
I like the red one on the left, he's like a himbo. The one on the far right acted like a sulking little bitch during the Collab with Selen. I only ever see the blue one with that little girl it seems weird. The grey one is a talker he seems cool and relatable. Sorry if I was rough with any of your favorites Im new here and I think you wanted honest answers.

They're anime men. Only fags and women should like them.

>>36997146
They collab too much with En and do very little with holostars JP. The collab ban was lifted far too quickly and didn't give any of them time to develop their own respective communities and instead created hybrid communities from girls they were collabing with which resulted in the extreme toxicity of Tempus's fanbase. The collab ban is there to mitigate this from happening and the fact they demanded the collab ban not apply to them is the root cause of all the hatred against them. Basically they should stop collabing with EN and pay more attention to Holostars JP.

Blue has a shit voice. He'd be watchable if he didn't sound like such a fag

Vesper doesn't stream and the other 3 are dime a dozen snoozefest streamers you can find practically anywhere.

they stink, and I don't like 'em

>>36997146
I don't like Apex nor Valorant.

>>36997438
no one watches StarJP, Tempus gain nothing from collabing with them

>>36997292
>>36997713
Is this something that only started this week? He's been pretty consistent since debut until this week and a bit of last week, with the off-collab and being sick.

not particularly funny, talented or skilled at games
were shoehorned into a group (HoloEN) which they really don't fit into
they get shilled way too hard by their company, so they can't even be likeable underdogs
at least two of them (Magni and Regis) are pretentious as fuck and whine constantly about how they hard they have it

>>36997368
>vampire dude

People expected them to be brotubers but they are just faggots like Luxiem and Noctyx that pander to fujos.

That's why their viewership has dropped a shit ton the last couple of months.
People realized that they are fags just like every single EN male vtuber.

The funny thing is that they pretend to like actual "bro" streamers like Jerma and NL.
Pathetic.

>>36997620
Dont apologize faggot.

>>36997620
You said everything right, including the apology. But it was unnecessary because you said everything right.

>>36997787
>no one watches ID, that’s why they’ll always be a glorified EN branch
We have no idea what does and doesn’t work. Content creation is like playing poker: you don’t make money by winning a lot, you make money by figuring out how to cut your losses and maximizing your winnings when you do have a good hand.
Even if it doesn’t result in gains in the short run, it would be a good way to establish a habit of doing collabs and reaching out in ways that don’t just alienate the original audience.
Also, we’re talking about content creation. Making it too obvious you just care about the numbers and completely ignoring smaller vtubers isn’t good. It’s acceptable if you’re ignoring 2view indies, because indies don’t matter unless they’re big enough to know other important people. It’s definitely a bad look when said small vtubers are in the same corpo though. Hololive’s success is due in large part to its brand. This isn’t to shit on the talents themselves, it’s to say that this isn’t an either/or.
HoloEN’s main problem is that they feel increasingly cut off from the main branch. One way they could fix that is doing more collabs with other EN corpos and with indies, which Cover seems increasingly open to. But that would bring down HoloEN’s reputation to “just another EN corpo.” If that’s what they want to do, then fine. I just think that’s not the only option.

>>36997368

They are male strippers in a female strip club. They barged into a strip club full of heterosexual men and started getting on stage and stripping with the girls. Nobody fucking cares about them and nobody wants them. If they wanted to see male strippers, they'd go to a male strip club but these male strippers knew there's more money to be made in female strip clubs so they tried to insert themselves in the biggest and most popular female strip club around.

>>36997146
They don't really feel like vtubers to me, especially Magni. Just regular streamers with an anime skin. I'd rather just watch the regular streamers that I was already watching before, but without the dumb hololive game permissions and other streaming restrictions.

>>36997508
People always say Vesper is the best at just chatting streams. I never understood that because both Vinny and Jerma can also do that -while- playing a video game. Vesper can't really do that as well as they do. Also >>36997378 this.

>>36998260
It said without sounding like an unicorn

>>36997146
I feel like they're marketed as bros but they're just whiny and effeminate, and that's coming from a fucking crossdresser
Also the collab spam was obnoxious, there's zero appeal in watching them ride the coat tails of twitch streamers instead of trying to establish their own thing like literally everyone else has

>>36998312
Do you even know what unicorn means tourist chama? Unicorns would never go to strip clubs because the women are whores.

>>36997146
I'm not interested in watching men with pretty anime boy avatars. If I wanted to watch men I'd rather watch real flesh men.

>>36997146
They are decent. The only bad part is Magni design in his face and legs.
And the fact the Vesper relies too much on zatsus in their solo. I get it, he is good at it, but I believe he has potential to do variety streams.

>>36997911
>People expected them to be brotubers but they are just faggots like Luxiem and Noctyx that pander to fujos.
This and i used to watch Tempus a lot.

Dog is your best friend and tru bro experience. Old man zatsu are now sc zatsu. Blue hero is just a lonely sad little guy. Alchemist is a clout chaser.

>>36997146
They aren't pumping my yumejussy full of nerdy chad cum.

>>36997146
They are male. Why would I watch them?

>>36998377
flesh tubers ew

>>36997825
Guess he won't be a streaming monster as he claims one day. He'll get sick each time for streaming too much

>>36997368
Who the fuck is this
>vampire dude
boogeyman? They are all humans except for that dog guy.

>>36997146
Hololive is cute girls doing cute things and Tempus are trying their damnedest to destroy it. The whole EN branch has been hemorrhaging viewers hard since the intergender collabs started. They clearly don't give a single shit about Hololive's welfare, or Stars JP who they should be collabing with instead of any of the girls, and Magni in particular is obsessed with opening the floodgates to Twitch retards.
>without sounding like a unicorn
There's literally nothing wrong with being a unicorn.

>>36997146
They want them to be an addition to HoloEN and not to Stars in general. The hololive public don't wanna watch males or male-female collabs, both branches should have different targets, because nisisanji and indies already have that public, and, desu, they destroy hololive in that aspect. That's why you have collabs with +10k viewers full of twitter trannies and fags that only appear for that streams, but their channels are fucking 3views sometimes. Also, they are isolating starsJP again, It's like nothing has changed since they made their debuts, did they joined just to collab and fuck girls? Idk, but that seems like it. The only one at least trying to connect both stars EN and JP is the grampire introducing their senpais to his viewers

>>36997146
Axel just needs more experience, the more he plays games solo on stream the better he'll get.
Altare was the first one I dropped, I tried watching his solo streams but he sounds like he's streaming for children between his "natural" voice and the way he voices in-game characters.
I like Vesper, but I have a feeling he'll be another typical EN member where he will cancel streams when he feels any less than 100%, and like others said his zatsus are just superchat readings, I got over his zatsu mastery early on. He also was the one that brought up that Axel liked Nodoka, now she can't be mentioned or seen without a handful of people spamming about Axel.
Magni was my favorite, but between his desire to collab with twitch vtubers/streamers, his collab spam in general, not streaming solo gaming very often, his bitching about his model as his roommate (regardless of how correct he was), and anything to do with his loopstation and desire to beatbox/rap, he's fell way off for me.
Some of this might be old info since I've mostly stopped watching a few months ago now, but I still have hopes for Axel and Vesper.

>>36998824
The most egregious thing for me is the purple faggot and his twitch obsession. He opened the floodgates for those.."people" to come barging right in. All because he received a bit of clout and wanted to suck em off. Even Mori kept it contained to herself

>>36998824
Unicorns are incapable of any actual discourse that doesn't involve group masturbation.

/MANS/ are catalog regulars i see

>>36997438 (me)
>>36997547
>>36997672
>>36998840
It is so uncanny how many anons are noticing this. They’re not doing much to ingratiate themselves with a brand identity that’s already there and instead trying to piggyback on one that’s more successful. Except the one they’re trying to build on (HoloEN or “HoloPro” or whatever the fuck) is based on an identity that does not work well with males.
Myth became successful by building off HoloJP. ID started to become big once they learned not to leech off the EN audience. Taking a brand that has potential but isn’t there yet is so much better in the long run than trying to force your way into a community that’s already there and where you’ll always play second fiddle. The fact that said community is filled with people who view you as inherently an outsider and who will leave if that outsider status changes doesn’t help

They're
>normalfags
>part of the twitch crowd
>niji humor
>terrible models
>fanbase is cancer (they WILL ship anything that moves, and most tempiss posters are twitter trannies)
>they're liars, Magni is a huge faggot and most important; they're NOT brotubers
I gave them a chance btw, they're trash. Axel's covers are alright th

>>36998897
Axel has a lot of potential imo, and Vesper does listen to critiques that his fans leave him. His recent zatsu during the off collab week was a hell of a lot better because he took the advice to not read as many SC's as he used to. Vesper's willingness to listen and learn can help him become a better streamer imo. Idk what Altare can do for his content, and Magni is Magni.

>>36997146
dog shit twitch streamers with anime avatar

Arguably a fag-tier take, but they don't really "feel" like vtubers. They just feel like normal streamers that use an anime avatar. There's a bit more of a "fantasy" aspect when it comes to using an anime avatar, but I mostly feel like I just turned on a random twitch stream.

I could just watch a random(good) normal streamer and not deal with all the shit-tier fanbase drama and no retard permissions level shit. It was always a stupid idea to me in the first place, because they were trying to recruit people with proven retention and audiences already. A dude can already make huge fucking bank doing that(where as a woman gets a massive buff jumping into hololive) so the whole thing felt pointless.

>>36998959
I’m not a unicorn and I honestly believe there’s a way for males and females to collab, even in Hololive. I’d love for there to be a way for this to happen without a complete shitshow to happen, and I’ve started thinking about how that could happen.
Tempus needs to have a strong enough identity separate from HoloEN that their collabs don’t feel like an attempt to bring them in under some “HoloPro” bullshit that no one (not Holo watchers, not Tempus watchers) wants. Collabing with StarsJP, in my view, is the easiest and most obvious way to do this. Establish the idea that Vesper and Axel and company are EN versions of Roberu and Aruran, not male versions of Mori and Gura and Fauna, and collabs between StarsEN and HoloEN wouldn’t feel so grating.
This requires convincing everyone in EN themselves that this is a branding thing and not a “letting the unicorns win” thing, though. I have no idea if Tempus and HoloEN themselves are able to accept that.

>>36997146
1. Their designs and rigging are terrible
2. Magni is an eceleb sellout
3. Axel is clearly not good at solo streams
4. Regis' voice sounds too faggy
5. Vesper's boomer stick gets old really fast
6. They became collab whores really fast

>>36997146
shit twitch streamers larping as vtubers with ugly ass designs and bad sounding voices (Axel's recorded singing voice is alright but he doesn't sound good live).

>>36999325
That's good to know about Vesper, I'll swing back in for some zatsus now and then.

>>36999252
You just listed several of Mori's qualities

>>36999613
yeah i'd say give his recent zatsu a chance and see if thats more on line with what you may like. I think thats as good as its gonna get for now until he can get the permissions to turn off SC's again like he did during a recent members stream.

Magi is a clout chaser and a huge normalfaggot, same with the rest but he's the worse
>I don't care about numbers xD
What a fucking liar this nigga is a bad joke

>>36999325
I haven’t really watched Altare except in collabs with the rest of Tempus, but my impression from those, as well as what I’ve seen in /mans/, suggests that he has the same problem as one of the members of Phase Connect: Shiina.
Both of them seem to be afraid of mistakes they did in their PL. Shiina was also really restrained and came off as trying to sanitize herself too much after she debuted. She’s slowly gotten better at letting up the brakes and being somewhat more spontaneous, so she’s slowly begun inclining.
I haven’t dug into Altare’s pl, but something tells me he’s not kidding about being a toxic gamer previously. If he can figure out a way to channel his inner demons in a controlled way and make entertaining content that’s uniquely him, it’ll help him greatly.
I can’t help but think he’s a little like Kiara—making up unnecessary restrictions for himself that debuff his growth. That said, I think this kind of problem is easier to fix, since it’s not really an issue of people actively disliking you and something that can go away quickly once you find your niche.

Axel doesn't say cunt enough. Really that's a criticism of all the Australian vtubers, but at least Axel has said it.

>>36999197
>They’re not doing much to ingratiate themselves with a brand identity that’s already there
That's because Stars JP aren't popular enough for Tempus to leech off of. They'd rather associate with people they can exploit for views like Kronii, Mori, Bae, Ame, Ina, and random Twitch celebs.

They don‘t really bring anything new to the table, aside from maybe Vesper. Regis is a dime a dozen cookie cutter male vtuber you can find anywhere in the indie scene, Axel‘s streams are subpar due to lack of experience and his singing is frankly not good enough to make up for the difference. Magni is creative, but too obsessed with being part of a group to the point where he‘ll shoehorn himself into collabs with any twitchwhore or hologirl that gives him the time of day. Vesper is pretty good, but he seems to be going down the holoEN route of taking breaks over the smallest inconvenience, so idk how to feel about that.

They are forcing fucking twitch into Hololive, nuff stuff

https://twitter.com/magnidezmond/status/1591238374702346240

>>36997146
Separated Holo EN in two factions

>>36999724
He was bigger as his RM than he is as Magni. If he truly cared about numbers he would have never given up on his RM to begin with.
He already said why he joined in the first place on stream though. He wanted to make friends and have something to do because his life was just waking up and "existing" and it was depressing.

>>37000545
He wasn't
Subs are not the same as ccv
His livestreams never had good numbers
He complains when people don't watch or leave the stream (as a """joke""" of course)

>>36997146
With the exception of Axel, it feels like they're holding back to try and maintain an image, which gets pretty tiresome. That applies to a lot of the EN girls too, though.

>>36999631
Almost like she had a hand in the selection process.

>>36997146
They're boring streamers.
They don't have any real talents.
They don't bring anything to the table as content creators.

>>36997146
I like them, al though Magni turned out to be somewhat menhera.

>>36997825
Doesn't matter anymore, doesn't stream. Nothing notable to talk about
Guess men don't get it done either...

They hurt my unicorn bros and act nothing like brotuber

They're not bad, just okay.

>>36997146
They were never going to have mass appeal with hololive fans yet not only have they been aggressively pushed inside the hololive bubble with shared discord servers and a branding umbrella that includes them with the girls, they also appear to be our only new gen this year at a time where holoEN desperately needs new blood (that people actually want to fucking watch)

Those two factors combined have soured a lot of people on them and it is not even really their fault but managements.
If we had gotten EN3 before them and when tempus did debut they were clearly a separate branch with different management and discords just like in JP I don't think anybody would be turned off by them collabing with the girls who were open to it. As it is though it feels like they are being pushed into the same group rather than existing alongside it.

>>36997146
They made me realize how awkward and unfunny EN girls are.

>>37002378
I feel like that happened to a lot of people, they're just too stubborn to admit it because they spent so much time watching the girls.

>>36997146
Sounds like a faggot and there are thousand better streamers than them.

>>36997146
They suck at games and not that entertaining to be considered brotubers.

Tempiss apologists should stay on twitter desu
There you can complain about "unicorns" with your normalfags buddies all day and no one will disagree

>>36997146
This thread smells like metal

>>37003272
sorry im on my period

>>36999877
Which is so stupid. They have enough potential on their own that they don’t need to leech. If they collab with StarsJP and help them incline, that helps them back in turn. And it doesn’t count as leeching because they had a hand in it.
I get what you’re saying. The problem is, that tactic of using the girls literally does not work in Hololive because the kind of audience that that appeals to watch NijiEN.
I am convinced that HoloPro can have successful males. They just need people who act like the JP stars but who work in the EN branch. I want the Tempus boys to find their own path (because that’s the only way they’ll succeed over the long run), and using the girls isn’t it. Not as long as they’re with Cover and not Anycolor.

>>36997146
I just HATE males because they are DANG, DIRTY TROLLS who take all of the BOYFRIEND FREE CHUUBAS away from TRUE and HONEST virgins like me!

I want Altare to stop being all over the place in what he's trying to do.
In collabs he's a funny homie/prankster dude, but on his own he seems to go for female appeal while playing dudebro games. He needs to focus on one thing. Also he needs to sing more, he's actually talented at it, and it would be cool to see him sing more with Axel.

>>36997672
HolostarsJP doesn't want to collab with EOP's. It was also a mistake hiring only one Stars member who could communicate in Japanese.

>>36997911
Sorry, the brotuber market is for fleshtubers. It's what the boys wanted too, but if they want to be numberfags going the Luxiem route is their only viable option.

>>36997368
Calling something shit is worthless unless you can specify what makes it bad.

>>37004183
They're shit homo, what else needs to be said?

>>36998840
Axel collabs with the JP stars frequently, although it's just Apex, really.

>>37004015
Nah. Tempus was a fuck up. The only reason brotubers haven't been seen is because they haven't been tried. At this point the only one in Tempus that could turn brotuber is Axel.
Guys hanging out with anime guys just being bros is what we needed for gen 1. Imagine if we got Goku, Vegeta, Tuxedo Mask (Sailor Moon) and Ash Ketchum (Pokemon). They're all anime and they're bro characters.
On top of that Cover is an Asian company and has no idea what Westerners consider bros or what they're into so I think that's why they went with homo stars instead of Holostars.
To be frank these anime streamers shouldn't be flirting with you anyway, boy or girl. Just play the fucking game faggots.

>>36997508
which female vtubers are as funny or interesting as Vinny or Jerma?

guys are gay and should fuck offa hololive

>>37004350
Nothing, as long as you're fine with your opinions being worthless.

>>36997146
Its because girls are generally bad streamers, so at least with vtubers I can watch cute anime girls being cute to make up for that fact. I don't want to look at shitty fujo art of dudes and if I wanted to watch a male streamer there are hundreds of better flesh streamers I could watch.

>>37004616
None, woman simply aren't funny. But at least they can do cute things and acknowledge me.

>>37004474
Brotubers will never be a thing. The moment a man uses a anime avatar instead of being just a voice or showing a real face, it's assumed he is a faggot that will pander to fujos. They lost audience even before they started.

>>36997146
They're unironically boring

>>36997146
They are mens so i can't fuck them because i'm not gay

Vesper's face is ugly, his model is wooden and poorly rigged. He's got an obvious lisp when he speaks.
Magni's face is all fucked up, eyes too wide, looks ugly as fuck, poorly rigged as well. His personality is like a super awkward asian guy with a trembling voice.
Axel keeps gnashing his teeth because his rigging is so bad. He admitted to being weird furry in his debut, although it's not like he's the only one in this group to be some weird homosexual, in fact they all are.
Regis is legitimately weird and creepy, he sounds like a fat korean that's too close to his ASMR mic.

Basically Hololive got a couple shit models, hired some shit-streamers to fill them, and then expected people to watch. And people do watch, because they're complete slaves to the hololive brand-name. They're stupid people, basically.

>>37005060
Hey, never say never. Everyone indie started building their brand at 0 or 1 viewers.
I believe it can be done. I just have to get Cover to believe it can be done.

>>37005763
go watch a twitch streamer if u want a brotuber. the fact that you want to watch men behind an attractive anime png stream says enough about your sexuality.

>>36997146
Vesper is aight, he has a lot of boomer appeal but the rest of them rely too much on meme humor

>>37005864
>Twitch Streamers
>straight
That's how we got into this mess in the first place with Tempus.
Let me in Yagoo. I will be the first straight white male in Holostars. I will be a brotuber and correct the mistakes you have made in the EN market so far since you CLEARLY can't be relied on for your decision making.
I may even stream more than once a week, utterly destroying most of your current talent in terms of hours streamed.
Let me save you.

>>37005864
Project much gaychama? I watch anime with plenty of dudes and I don't have any lust for them. I just think they are cool.

>>37006041
>implying you won't just go the Sonny route of doing a bunch of 4chan dogwhistles on debut only to become gay for pay when the fujobucks roll in

>>37006350
NTA but holostars would be my side job like it currently is for me now as a hobby.
Just do it for about an hour or two a day of me playing games when I already would have and get my money.

>>37006350
kek nah. 4chan dogwhistles MAYBE but only because I've been streaming and catch myself memeing pretty often. I think it's just built in at this point.
It'd probably just be a hobby like the anon above me said. I do a lot of religious study so getting hit on would make me feel gross so I think I can not give in to the temptation of lonely women, which also gives me double resistances to lonely men.
Tempus tries to hit on me and suddenly I'm performing an exorcism. Comedy gold.

>>37004616
Limes is from the Vinesauce group, and she's a vtuber

dogshit designs that filter the female audience with the exception of pickmes. lukewarm personalities and that fact that they interact with the females member of holo is what filters the males.

>>36999519
Thanks for your input, clip watcher.

>>36997146
Untalented leeches. Bringing well known toxic retards from twitch is objectively a bad thing, specially for a company that likes to keep itself away from drama and polemics.

>>37002378
>>37002428
Tempus loses a lot of charm if you watch literally any male streamer and realize that Tempus specifically is not particularly special or interesting. Hologirls tend to be the best of the best regarding female streamers, Tempus is pretty low tier as far as male streamers go.
inb4 all female streamers are bad, it's fine if you don't like them but in that case you shouldn't expect anyone to respect your opinion on them either, then. That's like jumping into a discussion about horror films and saying "Horror films suck, I prefer romcoms." Good for you, I suppose, but you're not going to make many friends doing that.

>>37004616
>Jerma
zoom zoom

>>36997146
They exist.

>>36997146
except the old men they're voices are at best annoying and at worst disgusting.
and the old men is an old men that tries to act like a teenager, which is pathetic

>>36997146
Except for Vesper they just act like your average twitch dude, they even stream with the same kind of people and hang out with them.
They don't get this whole holo thing at all.

>>36997146
i cant explain how pathetic axel sounds when trying to use young american lingo while having the strongest nip accent ive ever heard. cringe is an understatement

>>37010907
Unless you are exclusively talking about JP, the EN girls are definitely not the best of the best unless you mean of the 2-3 views that actually applied

>>36997146
Their content is boring, people only like them for collabs which is why they do them constantly and causes their fans to be annoying beggars that plague everyone around them

>>36997146
they try way too hard to be vinesauce/jerma/etc and they aren't fit for hololive. they don't "feel" like holopro talents and they really don't do much. one is a terminal addict to nodoka of all people. one is a god damn brony (and a bad one at that), and one is pretty much mori's cumsleeve. they also just don't feel funny at all and don't fit the mold of "brotuber".

>>36999519
>Vesper's boomer stick
Schtick not stick... dumbass

>>37006041
Do you speak Japanese? Can you sing? If not, give-up now.

>>36997146
boring and cringe

>>37006518
Application rejected. They are only hiring full-time talents after the mistake that was Sana.

>>36997146
None of them actually care about hololive. Stars EN was just a thing for them to apply to because of the popularity/novelty.

>>37012807
sana was NEVER a member who expected to be a full time talent. i actually feel disgusted wanting to like her out of EN, and she does that.

>>37006518
like the anon above said, if those are your intentions you wouldn't get in. Uyu's probably the only holostar that can get away with that since he applied before the whole Sana mess. Too much of a money investment to put into someone that doesn't see this as a long term career thats worth putting effort into.

>>36997146
Axel is a fucking normalfag that only cares about music. Magni is trying to network with normalfag streamers all the time (just like mori). Blue dude's voice makes me uncomfortable and overall he is just not entertaining. Vesper.

>>37006518
>>37012922
kek by the time I posted, 2 messages came up
I was referring to this
>>37012807

Too collab reliant that it shows how terrible their solo content is.

>>37010963
the people who started watching Jerma when he was a TF2 youtuber were mostly Millennials

>>37004616
None, but they don't need to be. They just need to be cute and spend time with (me)

>>37012953
>normalfag
He's the prototypical HoloproJP talent, tried to be an irl JP idol, utaite and wanted to get into StarsJP. They should have gotten 4 Axel's.

>>36997911
>they are just faggots like Luxiem and Noctyx that pander to fujos.
>>36997547
>The reason why Holostars floundered so hard is their failure to follow the example of Nijisanji. You might hate Fujos, but they are an undertapped market for Cover.
The duality of /vt/.

for those who aren't big on tempus, are there any male streamers you DO watch?

>>36997146
they're ugly and their humor is fucking piss poor trash. i remember when they collab with starsjp in minecraft. while the japs are trying to show off their builds and history, the retarded niggers just go off repeating lame jokes like "i'm the king" and "i will eat you" (what the fuck even). i tried giving them a chance but fucking hell do they actually not give a shit about the fucking branch they're in

>>37013448
They never name any better alternatives because they don't watch any.

>>37004474
>Ash
>Bro
lmao no. Ash is a massive twink faggot my guy.

>>37011825
I assure you English speaking female streamers don't get much better than Hololive.
Unless you really get off on "raw" streamers talking about their menstrual cycles.

>>37013448
Yes, not male vtubers on the other hand.

>>37013448
male vtubers or male streamers? I watch plenty of other male streamers, but no male vtubers.

To any anon reading this thread remember: most people never watched Tempus and are mostly thread readers, none of what is said here will have any effects whatsoever.

You think the Holopros ever come here and see these threads about themselves?

>>37013448
No, I don't find male streamers and especially VTubers entertaining. I briefly had Roberu membership, but other than that, there's noone I like.

>>37014033
Why would they? People here don't watch streams.

>>37014033
Nah. The Twitter and twitch crowd probably couldn't figure out how to navigate the boards.

>>36997146
They're not.
Magni is a faggot however
And Regis is a groomer type

VESPER PLEASE PLOW MY BUSSY

>>36997378
His last two zatsus he full stopped reading SCs. Even his comments section praised him for toning down the supers.

>>37013304
It's a mess. Ame tried to soothe the fears early suggesting they were there to open a new audience. Three weeks later the mixed collabs started. They don't know what they want to be.

I don't think a brotuber could ever work for me, I don't know. I can watch a girl talk about their day or whatever if they have an anime avatar but when I watch a streamer before Vtubers i'm not looking for personality or gender, like all of the people I watch, I watched because they were high ranked players in a game I was no life-ing. I never followed vloggers or anything when that become popular on Youtube and I think that's sort of closer to what Vtubing is now. Does a target audience exist for brotubers? What exactly are you hoping out of them?

>>37013304
/vt/ doesn't know it's ass from it's elbow, expecting them to know what's good or bad about talents without ever watching a stream let alone clips is way to fucking much.

>>37014384
Something like Totalbiscuit/Totalhalibut, Manlybadasshero or Pewdiepie. Just people that make content and talk to you.
None of these people have anime avatars but it wouldn't have changed too much. They're still fun to watch. It's funny, like I used to be a Totalbiscuit fan and I know he didn't like me too much but I fondly remember his Terraria playing with Jessie Cox.
I just don't see why everyone's so afraid of just having guys be guys. It's always women appealing to men or men appealing to women like it's a Japanese singles club.
Can't you just like, have fun? That sounds like a dumb question but I'm serious. A brotuber would be cool. I'd do it. I don't really care about numbers. It's just playing video games and karaoke and other assorted bullshit. Sign me up. 1 viewer that's all I need...actually I don't even need that LETS GOOOOO

>>37016724
You just reminded me I used to watch Yogscast where they would just play minecraft as a group and create story lines.

>>37014384
See if you can track down a copy of the Vesper Magni Karaoke off colab.
That was actually prime brotuber stuff and made you feel like you were just one of the guys hanging out.
It also proves that Tempus can do brotuber stuff but only when they meet in person.

>>36997146
>>General problems
They at first said they wanted to go their own way, more or less not to be decorations or ornaments of Hololive en, but that stopped the moment the collab ban dropped, and in fact that exact collab ban was ended early specifically FOR Hololive en, they still couldn't collab with their senpai at that time, only the girls.
They received a fairly warm welcome by much of the fans, and I even say some anons here who were begrudgingly looking forward to good EN Stars that would respect the difference and distance between themselves and Hololive, but they immediately destroyed that through the collab spam, making more people dislike them than ever would have had they just been more modest with them.
>Overall, it's like they had months of time to think about what they wanted to do, how they wanted to do it, and just didn't. They gave so much conflicting information initially that they contradicted later on, I think that what must have happened is since Vesper had said they'd expected to do much worse than what they did on debut, the moderate success they'd gotten went straight to their head in such record time that they completely threw out their initial plans and ended up making asses of themselves in front of everyone as a result.
>>Axel
Boring solo streamer, his voice is okay but not staggering, and his collabing with a bunch of holos invited shipfags in, who are notorious wherever they go for being insufferable. He needs to cut down massively on collabs, reconsider who he collabs with in the first place (that rpr fuck up should have made him seriously reconsider doing more collabs with him), and seriously commit himself to learning how to be interesting in solo streams or he'll never improve. He's also got the major problem right now of being the cancer ship magnet. One look in /mans/ when he's streaming would show you them shipping him with everyone they can think of and anyone he's ever spoken to, I saw them shipping him with FUCKING POCHI for fucks sake. He needs to end that before it gets worse, yuri and yaoi shippers somehow are never as cancer as straight shippers, you can't let them burrow in too deep or it's over.
>>Regis
Horrible. His voice is annoying to me, but that's a matter or taste. He isn't really that funny, and his solo content is only middling, he needs to work on both. Also, he bites bait almost as hard as Mori, literally seeing a gray name talk about how he leeches and goes on a several minute tirade about how he wants to fist fight him and how he'd totally beat him up if they met irl, actual middle school level shit, and that's nor mentioning the Mario kart incident. Very immature and needs to work on how to act like an adult online or he's going to stumble into more and more situations that make him look like a kid.
>>Vesper
Good zatsus, but needs to work on gaming AND zatsuing at the same time. A push over for Kronii which resulted in probably the biggest yab out of them yet and crushed Kronii's fanbase into the dust, and from what I've heard he might start doing collabs with her again soon. He also contradicted himself and abandoned his "solo content is most important" rule which severely damaged him early on.
>>Magni
The absolute worst hire I've ever seen from Cover so far, even worse than Mori since she wasn't complete garbage right out the gate. This guy's ass. First, he seems almost entirely responsible for the collab spam. Secondly, he doesn't seem to understand he's not a part of Hololive and even seems to want to push himself into it, that isn't helped by people like Mori and Ame enabling him, he even cried when Ame just said some basic shit to him after his debut. Massive menhera. Thirdly, and probably most concerningly, he's pushing to get all his cancerous twitch friends to orbit Hololive en as well, which is the worst fucking shit you could imagine. Twitch and their circles are built around drama and retardation, canceling each other for clout and digging up drama at every turn. One look at twitch vtubers, who are all just Twitch shit on steroids, should tell you they're a blight and shouldn't be allowed near Hololive and Holostars. Even the flesh streamers do this shit, there's very few who manage to keep their noses clean and stay out of it. It's one of the major reasons Hololive is popular to the west, you get to watch actual streamers stream, not feel like you're watching a bunch of high school kids start drama with each other over he said she said. Even that one 39daph woman who he collabed with tried to start drama about Hololive and said she wouldn't collab with them anymore, only for that to fail to gain any traction and sending her back to trying to cozy up to Magni again for numbers, they're all a bunch of vermin and that should be treated as such. If he wants to collab outside of Stars or something he should take the extra time to do more research and only collab with the actual quality vtubers who aren't just there to leech.

>>37016724
>I know he didn't like me too much
Did you do something to him? Why on earth would he not like you?

>>37010907
>Hologirls tend to be the best of the best regarding female streamers,
Rumao

>>37017212
At some point he switched from Totalhalibut to Totalbiscuit and I kept confusing the two and I think that he thought I was making fun of him but in reality I was just dumb and forgot what he wanted to be called.
Rest in peace sir. You deserved better.

>>37016724
I remember liking all those people when I was a preteen, then my balls dropped and I stopped that

>>36997508
Trannyma isn't funny to anyone not a manchild and/or mentally-ill.

>>36997146
Less than 200k subscribers this far out

>>36997146
Cuz they aren't fucking my tight pussy.

>>37019804
>Tight
Don't kid yourself.

>>37020789
Is still tughter than your asshole, faggot.

>>37020789
Is still tighter than your asshole, faggot.

>>36997146
They’re a low budget wave designed to test the water on male vtubers for Cover.
None of the boys had famous PLs outside of the one guy, and their models reflect the budget they probably had.

Right now they’re figuring out how to grow their box. It’s not going to be collabing with the Hologirls as there’s no interest in Hololive viewers moving over.

TLDR they’re very green and have bad ideas on how to grow their base with crossbranch collabs.

>>36997146
>Most of them don't even speak passing nihongo so they can't >collab with their counterparts
>They act like fags constantly
>Their designs are shit (not their fault)
>They literally can't stop leeching despite claiming to want otherwise
>They lack a sense of direction

I could list more, but then I'd have to watch more streams, and I've had enough of them. The one good thing you could say about them is that their manager is great at getting perms for them, but that doesn't make THEM good since they keep squandering their manager's ability to talk corps into giving perms on garbage games and non-holo collabs.

Also yes, they collab too much with HoloEN, which is another and entirely legitimate reason for them being shit, but that's also probably not their fault since I always thought it was just EN management scrambling to avoid what happened to StarJP. It was a shit move that hurt both groups and we're seeing the consequences.

>>36997146
Altare: dunno. I honestly don't watch him so I wouldn't know what to criticize. He's just not entertaining
Axel: he's is generally a really good dude but acts crude to the girls out of nowhere sometimes which makes the whole interaction awkward. Leaving it as him just "being direct" and/or "too stupid" to notice and then calling it "based" isn't enough to let it slide. I'm not sure if he'd do that unless he knows they could take it, so really who knows.
Magni: unironically the most creative of the group. But he's also the biggest bitch out of all of them. A lot of the things people don't like about mori can also be seen in this guy.
Vesper: the guy will refuse to do a stream if he thinks there's a mere possibility that the audience won't like it. So we get less streams that aren't zatsudans. He does them well but we're left with not a lot of variety. He also pretends to be seiso too much when he's clearly meant to be unhinged. The shtick gets old
Tempus: they collab too much overall. I never thought this would be a problem and I used to wish the girls would collab as much but this leaves the group with not a lot of independence/individuality. I enjoy their collabs, they're the embodiment of bros hanging out. I just wish they had as many kino solo streams as they do collab ones

>>36997146
None of them are lolis

>>37022192
>acts crude
Lewd shit or banter? Women tend to suck at banter, so it that's it he probably just doesn't know that.

>>37020968
This is the only reply that mentions HoloEN without sounding like a unicorn. Good job, anon. You were able to read the OP, unlike the rest of these faggots.

>>37023213
Both Valorant streams he did with kobo, specifically. It was less banter and more of just...putting her down out of nowhere when kobo was either just trying to get some banter going on or was clearly joking. It very visibly brought her mood down compared to how she usually is, especially when she's with Altare. I believe it was Rio who saved the mood when they invited him in for the first one. In the 2nd one, he was the only guy with 3 girls and didn't bounce well off any of them

>>36997146
I don't like it when they collab with girls. I wanted them to stay as the bro group of holo but then they started collabing with girls inside and outside of Hololive. Why is it so hard to have a brotubers, I just wanted some guy talk that you don't get with the girls

>>37023935
yeah it was kinda weird lol

>>36997146
is there any of the guys who are top500 on csgo dotes or ow? the only reason i watch male gamers is they are fucking good at the game i play

>>36997146
Boring, fags, furries.

Also bitches, purposely lost worms collab because afraid of females.

>>36997146
Their fans are obnoxious. You dont see RPR fags clogging the catalogue for collabing with Towel

>>37024864
lol lmao rumao

i'd watch a brotuber if they acted like jomboy/urinatingtree tbqh

>>37019433
>This far
Anon it's been 4 months. And they're Stars.

brotubers don't work, period. If it works we should already have popular brotubers on twitch but that's not the case despite there are multiple popular female indie vtubers on twitch.

Brotubers only works if they say nigger on livestream once

>>37012953
>Magni is trying to network with normalfag streamers all the time (just like mori)
which begs the question why wouldnt this fucker do it on his RM acc. waste of a slot

>>36997146
Generic bro tuber. Just go on to twitch there are literally hundreds of them and at least the twitch ones you are interacting with a real bro

>>37030504
anon... why would you say that... what a fucking nigger

>>36997146
>explain why Jesus is the son of God without sounding religious

>>37017075
>literally seeing a gray name talk about how he leeches and goes on a several minute tirade about how he wants to fist fight him and how he'd totally beat him up if they met irl
no way this is real, right?

>>37024793
This is basically just the first two gens of HoloID all over again. Maybe StarsEN2 will debut, and after this board cleans itself up after the resulting mushroom cloud, there’ll be a StarsEN version of Kobo. Someone who just doesn’t give a fuck, who shows up to maybe one or two group collabs a month at most, and who collabs with, oh, I don’t know, StarsJP or even the Niji males instead.
I just want to see some guys doing dumb guy shit on stream, man.

>>37031495
They just need another Gen to collab with.
What they are going through is a smaller version of what Miyabi went through first year.

Once another Gen joins, the only holos they’ll collab with is Mori or ID.

>>37031341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohMJm2JCl8&list=PL7agSuf8vgfUnSyA-CP-vFi_fb_vCohtD&t=3207s

>>37031746
>tfw it's real
well to be fair, he held back quite a bit. I thought it was a real melt

>>37031746
What a queer.

>>37032008
>he held back quite a bit
That's the problem, you shouldn't be bothered enough by one gray name in your chat saying something snippy at you and say that while STILL holding back.

what cover should have done
>release males
>give them prettyboy ikemen models
>make millions

>>37032535
Lol that grayname stopped posting after that.
They should stick to harassing girls like all the other weirdos you find in train stations.

>>36997146
I don't watch ass faggots

>>36998933
>All because he received a bit of clout and wanted to suck em off. Even Mori kept it contained to herself
spoiler, its because his roommate was already "in" with that crowd that he wanted to collab
he's a trojan horse
he collabed with offlinetv who were trying really hard to leech and break open the hololive "nut" so to speak, when EN first got big and western content creators knew nothing about them
scarra once referred to them as "like a cult" while they were doing a pool stream in how they only seemed to follow and collab with each other and were wondering why they didnt seem to respond to "clout"
the same scarra that collabed with magni

>>37034751
twitch streaming culture is based on clout chasing and riding on the coat tails of others so it's understandable why they don't understand why girls in hololive have actual commitments to their coworkers and company

>>37017075
Lol, this is that one whiny threadreader that comes into /mans/ just to cry about old bait topics even people in Catalog have gotten tired of, isn't it? Move on dude.

>>36997146
They're not bad
But they aren't interesting

>>37035868
I have literally never been in /mans/ and I never will.

>>37006067
I'm pretty sure there's a difference between your average generic background male, your average male protagonist, and a pretty-looking dude made exactly to pander to as many girls as possible.
There's no need to deny it either, just look at every non-1view female vtuber and you'll see that all of them are attractive. Male vtubers are just the same thing as female vtubers but made for females.

>>36997146
Despite jacking off to shotacon yaoi hentai, I have discovered I am not a faggot due to how much male chuubas turn me off. I thought it'd be cool to see a cartoon boy do livestreams, but they all end up looking emasculated and gay af.

>>37035868
Seethe faggot.

>>37022192
>they collab too much overall
>this leaves the group with not a lot of independence/individuality
I see people saying this on /vt/ all the time, but it's really just not true at all (that terrible Twitch Takeover campaign everyone hated aside, anyway).

Altare streams solo a minimum of 6 times a week (and 6 times would be him on a "light" week). The other guys - even Magni - usually at least 4~5 times. Their main selling point is definitely their chemistry together, but they still produce a ton of solo content and devote more than enough time to each developing their own styles and projects.