/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>36733045
>How and why?
Botan and Lamy casted eighty three spells over themselves to give them as many buffs as possible
> aura of perfect ship
>cleansing of time slot
>vanishing of first army
>perfect chemistry
>chilla spectrum of horror
>scent of big stream waiting room
>advanced power couple action
and so on

I find it funny that nu-fans actually think cover hires talents to fill certain niches which is what niji does. Im guessing theyre niji refugees?

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *
>59,265: Mio (Hololive)
>50,428: Botan (Hololive)
>23,597: Choco (Hololive)
>23,136: Koyori (Hololive)
>19,284: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>18,956: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>15,399: Mito (Nijisanji)
>14,980: Fubuki (Hololive)
>14,632: Mio (Hololive)
>14,179: Zeta (Hololive)
>13,131: Iroha (Hololive)
>13,100: Nene (Hololive)
>12,934: Noel (Hololive)

>>36733133
ANYDAY ANYTIME JUST CALL

>>36733229
>NOVEMBER 2022 GOLDS
1) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,480 - Minecraft sports fes prep
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 53,106 - Resident Evil 6 w/Marine
3) Marine (Hololive) - 167,199 - 3rd anniversary 3D live
4) Suisei (Hololive) - 156,380* - 3D announcement live
5) Suisei (Hololive) - 39,554 - Zatsudan
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 134,642 - Fate/Grand Order gacha
7) Mio (Hololive) - 59,265 - Post sports fes totsumachi

>PER COMPANY
7x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
3x: Pekora
2x: Suisei
1x: Marine, Mio

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
202x: Hololive
96x: Nijisanji
6x: Indie, Neo Porte
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
48x: Pekora
20x: Miko
17x: Aqua, Kuzuha
16x: Salome
14x: Nijisanji
13x: Subaru
10x: Marine
7x: Suisei
6x: Hal, Hololive, Kanata, Mio, Toya
5x: Fuwa, Gura
4x: Flare, Noel, Okayu, Polka, Towa
3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Korone, Koyori, Mayuzumi, Mel
2x: Ange, Botan, Fubuki, Ibrahim, Lui, Maimoto, Mito, Mori, Mysta, Nene, Nerumero, Shion, Sora, Tsukasa, Vox
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Furen, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Moona, Nagao, Naruse, Natsume, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Ui, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

What did we learn last thread, anon?

>>36733229

>>36733279
>>36733221

>>36733278
>2022 SILVERS
>PER COMPANY
193x: Hololive
102x: Nijisanji
6x: VSPO
5x: Indie
4x: Neo Porte
1x: PRISM Project

>PER STREAMER
47x: Pekora
28x: Kuzuha
27x: Miko
18x: Marine
13x: Subaru
11x: Salome, Suisei
10x: Gura, Nijisanji
7x: Hololive
6x: Botan, Fuwa, Korone, Toya
4x: Fubuki, Lize
3x: Aqua, Flare, Hal, Koyori, Lui
2x: Haachama, Kanae, Kanata, Lamy, Leos, Luna, Maimoto, Mayuzumi, Noel, Shiina, Tsukasa, Tsuna, Watame
1x: Akina, Akira, Alban, Amelia, Aster, Beni, Choco, Chronoir, Debi, Ema, Gaku, Gatchman, Genzuki, Hayato, Hinano, Hololive Indonesia, Iofi, Ina, Iroha, Kaela, Kanae, Karuta, Kiara, Kronii, Laplus, Lauren, Levi, Matsuri, Mio, Mito, Moona, Nari, Nene, Nerumero, Okayu, Oliver, Ponpoko, Ramune, Ren, Rion, Ririmu, Risu, Ritsuki, Roboco, ROF-MAO, Rushia, Sara Nagare, Shion, Suzuya Aki, Toko, Towa, Uki, Vox, Warabeda, Yashiro, Yui

>2022 BRONZES
>PER COMPANY
202x: Hololive
94x: Nijisanji
5x: Indie, Neo Porte
2x: Noripro
1x: 774 Inc., Holostars, VSPO

>PER STREAMER
31x: Miko, Pekora, Subaru
24x: Kuzuha
16x: Marine
12x: Salome
10x: Gura
9x: Nijisanji
6x: Koyori, Toya
5x: Okayu
4x: Aqua, Botan, Chloe, Hal, Lamy, Mori, Suisei
3x: Amelia, Choco, Fubuki, Hayato, Korone, Rushia, Sasaki
2x: Ayame, Fuwa, Gwelu, Hololive, Iroha, Kanata, Kiara, Kobo, Lize, Lui, Mio, Mito, Mumei, Mysta, Nijisanji English, Nui, Shiina, Shion, Tamaki, Towa, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi
1x: Aia, Aki, AZKi, Dola, Gatchman, Haachama, Ibrahim, Ike, Kaida, Kanae, Kazaki, Kyoko, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Magni, Maimoto, Mayuzumi, Mel, Minase, Nerumero, Noel, Patra, Petra, Polka, Ponpoko, Ponto, Rikiichi, Rosemi, Ryushen, Sora, Sumire, Tsukasa, Ui, Voltaction

>>36733279
Nothing.

>>36733221

>>36733279
Some last samurai are just clipwatchers and didn't do their reps.

bots

>>36733380
It's called being a rediditor

>>36733279
People get upset when you call Subaru a tomboy.

>>36733279
Project desPAIR soon

>>36733058
>eops
Newfagchama the chinks (ironically) and the ESLs were the ones that popularized holo worldwide. EOPs came after

>>36733384
your mom

>>36733229
When will en get back on track? They need so much more support from management but isn't getting it.

So with the #4thwah being so popular, should other chuubas make their own separate tags for horny stuff? Imagine the traffic on Pekora or Koyori…..

>>36733502
eops made miko and saved towa
cope

>>36733384
Yes, pekora got the launch codes from Salome for Hololive to use

>>36733421
Subaru is a tomboy.
Suisei is a male.
Towa is a male.
Luna is a squeaky toy.
Fauna is a carnivore.
Ayame is a cunt.
Shion has lost her marbles.

GRIM

>>36733502
eops were the ones that made them viral anon.

>>36733440

>>36733543
>>36733638
Proof?

>>36733543
>eops made miko and saved towa. Do not forget coco.
Everything Eop did has fuck up Hololive for everyone else. Just look at the state of HoloEN. Be ashamed of yourselves.

>>36733543
>and saved towa
That's a myth often repeated but without any backing by the numbers.
Actually Towa's reliance on APEX and the EOP held her the fucking back for almost two years, and she only manage to shake both away with have a meaningful incline after Aqua and Suisei buoyed her up in the FPS box and in the JOP spheres.

Like Aki, for as long as she depended on the EOP her numbers were in this dump

hag sex

>>36733761
The towa drama was like months before your graph begins

>>36733761
>That's a myth often repeated but without any backing by the numbers.
How is that a myth if it werent for the eop she would have lower numbers around that time due to jp abandoning her

>>36733761
What that graph tells me is that eops saved her from complete irrelevancy after the yab.

>>36733543
>he doesn't know Hololive Moment

>>36733761
Doesn't this prove the point of overseas watchers being targeted by the 2020 algo change? Did any other JP have such a drop?

>>36733761
so your saying that without the eop around that time she would most likely have fallen into stars tier?

>>36733761
Eop keeps them safe for a time but they can't grow the eop if they can't talk to them. They can only grow jop.

>>36733844
Probably hachama

>>36733761
I mean Towa herself literally thanked her overseas viewers for sticking by her, so she seems to think they at least played a major part in her recovery.

my cute wife

>>36733761
Holy fuck anon Aki flat out said if it weren’t for eops holding her up and supporting her, she would’ve graduated. This is actual number autism on your end right now

>>36733817
retards act like that was the only holo clipper channel out there kek

>>36733761
>Actually Towa's reliance on APEX and the EOP held her the fucking back
how is it holding her back when the jp werent interested in watching her play apex? if anything the eop was the life support for her from becoming irrelevant like with what happened to a lot of nijijp vtubers who didnt have any eop.

>>36733909
your wife gets shit numbers now and she doesnt belong here. Also improve yourself and stop leeching from others Altare.

>>36733981
she cute

>>36733940
They had more subs than the official Hololive channel and a lot of the individual girls

>>36733229

>>36733817
consopo lopes had more impact than hololive moment anon, without that channel hololive moment would have been dead.

>>36734006
>trust me bro

>>36734011

>>36734044
Literally ask anyone who isn't a newfag

Would novelization of this get good numbers?
https://youtu.be/VODThBGv_XA?t=7461

>>36734077
>trust me bro

>>36733927
please understand last samurai cant accept the fact that without their overseas fanbase hololive would be just another small corpo.

>>36734061

>>36734087
Thats Axel's cock sleeve you just linked. No thanks.

>>36734096

>>36734116
>any of the boys
>dominant
kek

>>36734133

>>36734160

I love my wife

>>36734193

>>36734094
t.desperate nijifag

>>36734239

>>36734092
Use a numberfaggot website that shows sub counts in September 2020 and compare with your big brain. HLM had ~270k before they killed themselves. Or just look in the archive. They still have 150k subs right now and the channel is dead.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK4adPCSc8U1mhaJYbzZ-7w/

>>36734279

>Blue fag playing Ultrakill
Wtf you told me these faggots hated games

>>36734259
>nijifag
>when the fact that nijisanji could never get any traction on an overseas fanbase is what led to their jp branch to lose more and more with hololive.
i dont get it.

Anyone else wants to fuck a hag?
Asking for a friend

>>36734314

>>36733279
that nijiniggers are slowly converting into holochads
they still need to drop their cringe lingo though

Well I heard something about Holo streaming FPS on Twitch because that's where the FPS crowd is
But their FPS number on Twitch is barely better than Youtube, where is this FPS crowd?

>>36734340
Fuck is not enough, I need to impregnate a hag and live with it, and make her happy forever

>>36734315
You were lied too, only Magni hates games. Why do you think nobody likes him?

>>36733792
>months before your graph begins
>>36733804
>if it werent for the eop she would have lower numbers around that time due to jp abandoning her
>>36733855
>without the eop around that time she would most likely have fallen into stars tier
It is very true that she took a big hit with the JOP crowd and that she would continue "wallowing" in low 1k for the foreseeable future back then
I also agree that the EOP provided her with a lifeline to keep on chugging despite the could shoulder the JOP crowd was giving her.

What I disagree is any concept of "saving" or even a "permanent incline" coming out of it. It didn't, and it is not even the fault of the EOP, they really were there for her but there is so much APEX that audience can tolerate until they'll bail and they did absolutely bail.

>>36733947
>if anything the eop was the life support for her from becoming irrelevant
>>36733927
>Aki flat out said if it weren’t for eops holding her up and supporting her, she would’ve graduated.
This has nothing to do with numbers. I am not disputing they provided moral support but I 100% agree with >>36733866 here
>Eop keeps them safe for a time but they can't grow the eop
More than that, what >>36733844 said also seems to be true, Towa seems to have been particularly affected by both the algo change and the natural attrition of EOP, moving away from watching JP chuubas to watch Myth.

EOP helped Towa and Aki not to kill themselves (figuratively, by losing their hope and graduating) but for as long as they didn't try to fix their local issues and grow their local market they had a HUGE anchor holding them down.
As soon as they fixed it (in 2022) they started growing.

>>36734315
He's probably hoping to get some of the Max0r audience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKx1oGw0IRM

>>36734340
If that hag is Koyori? then yes. Idk why Mio doesnt do anything for me when i think even Pekora is hot.

>>36734355

>>36734376
which branch are you talking about?
also fps is dead anon.

>>36734376
i think it's more about not alienating the youtube audience with apex and valo spam than specifically targeting the FPS scene for numbers

The power order on Youtube

>>36734427

>>36734470

>>36734307
did you not link the direct site because you know youre full of bullshit? they only lost 80k subs since then

>>36734504

>>36734315
Ultrakill is normalfag shit now. If anything I’m shocked it took this long for someone from Holo to play it. Please don’t tell me that fag was the only who asked for perms.

>>36734395
>What I disagree is any concept of "saving"
Why? without eop numbers aki and towa would have graduated due to the shitty numbers how is that not saving?
Last samurais are so fucking desperate to downplay eops and esls even though that without eops and esl holojp would have been irrelevant and would not get to where they are today without them.

>>36734376
>Holo streaming FPS on Twitch because that's where the FPS crowd is
If that was true VSPO and NeoPorte would be Twitch based.
They do it there because things like this
>pic related
alienate the fuck of the box audience, both because APEX is not really a "box activity" and because they usually get outside of the box partners.

>>36734536
>>36734307
https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCK4adPCSc8U1mhaJYbzZ-7w

Wait isn't fps in general is kind of a Nijisanji type of game? Like it don't really bring much number to yourself but you can join BIG tournaments and be part of BIG number

>>36734544

>>36734395
That's a whole load of text to disagree with yourself and concede that both Towa and Aki were saved by EOPs.
Go watch a stream, take a rest.

>>36734395
>says that towa and akirose would have graduated without eop
>noo thats not saving them
Anon why are you so retarded?

>>36734582

>>36734395
>What I disagree is any concept of "saving"
>EOP helped Towa and Aki not to kill themselves (figuratively, by losing their hope and graduating)
i dont get it

>>36734536
>>36734574
Socialblade isn't accurate back then. Here's a playboard screenshot. Again, literally just go ask some anons who aren't newfags for confirmation. It was a running joke how much more popular the channel run by random chinamen was over the actual girls.

>>36734619

>>36734395
>EOP helped Towa and Aki not to kill themselves
anon by saying this you've already backtracked enough to the point you lost. Just let it go

>>36734655

>>36734092
>>36734307
>>36734536
Just use socialblade, doofuses
https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCK4adPCSc8U1mhaJYbzZ-7w/monthly

>>36734693
>>36734640

>>36734664
As ive said last samurais literally cannot handle the fact that hololive was made relevant by esl and eops.

>>36734689

>>36734731

>>36734770

>>36734586
I mean, his text can be broken down as
>EOP were a lifeboat, but you can't grow if the lifeboat is also an anchor weighing you down.

I'd argue it's a bit more complicated than that and that they were given big breaks that they (wisely) used to grow their brand WITHIN Hololive (aki) and Without (Towa, FPS).
For Aki, it was the combination of ARK autism at at time where everyone was in on it(Late Jan/Early Feb), and so assorted fanbases were (re)introduced to Mukirose, combined with an absolutely STELLAR breakout Live that cemented her as one of the better live performers in the minds of the many fans that hadn't had a chance to see what she could do up to that point.
For Towa, her role as an organizer for assorted collabs into the NY MK streams -> Startend helped build momentum and inclined her. Her "Challenge Series" against Holox also helped as well, annd the effects of it don't taper off until march, where Startend boosts her even further. She's coming back down now with the weakness of Apex and FPS steams in general at the moment.

>>36734805

>>36734838

Why are we even arguing about this? What if EOP saved Hololive? Wouldn't suddenly change my opinion about EN

>>36734810
yeah but he claimed that eops never saved towa or aki which is retarded in itself.

>>36734728
If hololive lose the west with they way things are going they won't be affected at all but they will stagnant even more than before.

>>36734862

>>36734892

The news just out
Touhou Twitter have concluded that it was Touhou (Specifically Touhou 14) that lead to the current state of Twitter. And it make sense

>>36734395
You have all the numbers and the actual timeline, you just chose to still see things differently from reality.

>>36734890
if hololive didnt get the non japanese audience during 2019 2020 they would still be lower than nijisanji anon.
hololive was literally saved by eops and esl and made them the powerhouse that they are today.

>>36734923

>>36734959

>>36734640
how long are you gonna keep trying this for anon?
beyond 1 year playboard is paywalled
your table of subs is from socialblade style and not playboard (middle picture is playboard style)
and back to socialblade, bottom picture is their graph of subs, which is "magically" missing 50k subs because your amazing memory is better than their data
https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCK4adPCSc8U1mhaJYbzZ-7w/monthly

>>36734890
If they lose the west now? sure but they would still be hit badly since losing the west is not just losing the ccv your also losing a big chunk of the algo due to vod view loss, engagement rate, fan content etc.
If they didnt get the west back then? Hololive would be 774 or Tsunderia level or relevancy today.

>>36734991

Damn we really have retards here who don’t remember HLM?
People kept mistaking them as an official clip channel and they were known to steal clips and label them as their own.

>>36735032

>>36735054
>>36734042

>>36734943
I'm just saying that now they won't be affected but their growth will stagnant, which is already happening. The en branch dying in front of our eyes is very worrying and clover should get off their ass and do something about.

>>36735057

I think it's accurate to say that current Hololive, that being the JPs, doesn't need non-JPs at this point to stay relevant, assuming most of the current audience is JP. However, the foreign audience was a big factor in Hololive's initial breakout and one of the things, along with the idol theme, that set them apart from other corpos at the time.

>>36735083

>>36734885
>>36734940
My whole disagreement is that "saved" has a sense of finality, of "mission accomplished" that didn't really happen for either Towa or for Aki.
They definitely gave them both a respite from their situation in the form of moral support, that's absolutely undeniable.
But both of those girls numbers were as stunted after as they were before the EOP shower of love (with the small exception of the immediate period when EOP was hyped about it).
Did they really get "saved" if EOP came, went and left them with the same numbers as they had before?

The disagreement here is that you guys says
>yes, even if their numbers didn't significantly improved or even got worse in the aftermath, without EOP they would likely be much worse so that counts as saving
and I don't really agree that counts as saving

>>36735069
>I'm just saying that now they won't be affected but their growth will stagnant,
jp sub growth is just as stagnant anon.

>>36735112

>>36735054
>People kept mistaking them as an official clip channel
kek, they even used the Hololive logo, got a checkmark and then started striking people that used their clips (when they made their name using other people clips)

Sorry about the infrequent tallys lately. I was doing shit for the World Series but it's over now so back to your regularly scheduled tally.

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*


Here it goes


>11/7 DAILY TALLY
7,952: Mumei (Hololive)
7,506: Ike (Nijisanji)
6,869: Vox (Nijisanji)
5,713: Regis (Hololive)

>EN GOLD FOR NOVEMBER
1. Gura (Hololive) - 14,785 (Faith)
2. Axel (Hololive) - 9,290 (Birthday Celebration and Call-ins)
3. Gura (Hololive) - 16,738 (Resident Evil Village: Shadows of Rose)
4. Kronii (Hololive) - 10,369 (Resident Evil Village)
5. Luca (Nijisanji) - 13,459 (The Backrooms w/Shu)
6. Kronii (Hololive) - 16,500 (Unarchived Karaoke)
7. Mumei (Hololive) - 7,952 (Resident Evil 7)

>GOLD PER COMPANY
Hololive - 6
Nijisanji - 1
Others - 0

>GOLD PER STREAMER
2x: Gura, Kronii
1x: Axel, Luca, Mumei

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
11p: Kronii, Mumei
10p: Gura
5p: Axel, Luca
3p: Reimu, Selen, Amelia, Enna, Ike
2p: Vox
1p: Baelz, Magni, Kiara, Fauna

What the fuck prompted this timeloop?

>>36735069
>and clover should get off their ass and do something about.
F-Fauna cat.... ;-(

>>36735101
The worrying thing is new jp generations as seen by jp fans not using likes, commenting, and not subbing. They need the eop for algos engagement.

>>36735153

>>36735159
>only 4 entries at the tally
>not a single one over 8k
GRIMGANG ASSEMBLE!

>>36735014
Socialblade's monthly snapshots are not accurate because they were gaining subs at a rate of more than 1k per day. They gained tens of thousands of subs and then lost them in between the monthly snapshots you're looking at.

Please for the love of god just google this and stop embarrassing yourself. There were thousands of us watching this happen in real time, you can just ask people.

There are literally videos of their live subscriber counts on youtube during this period. There's screenshots all over fucking reddit even. Do a modicum of research please.

>>36735209

>>36735119
EOPs have a saviorfag complex, they think that boosting some1 for less than 1 month will make all their problems and future number droughts go away. They just do it to say "we did it reddit!" and move in to their next superficial saving project

>>36734810
It's not complicated
- Towa gave her thanks to EOP fans breaking several rules to personally do it
- Aki was clear in HoloTalk
What they do say and feel is also data.

>>36735238

>>36735069
Anon nothing cover can do will reverse the fact that streaming will go back to pre covid numbers now.

>>36735233
>no links provided yet again

>>36735206
I do wonder if Cover pushing HoloX so hard is partially because they're concerned that things are too centralized on some of their older talents.

>>36735268

>>36735119
>>36735241
So the eop not touching them and having them graduate would have been much better outcome and would have fit your description of saving?

>>36735281
google.com
type in "hololive moments" hit enter

>>36735069
>clover should get off their ass and do something about.
Anon...Clover it dead uuuuuu

>>36735312

>>36735233
>>36735281
Here, from this very site
https://archived.moe/jp/thread/26182312/#q26207850

>>36735359

>>36735368
real data links anon, not schizo posts, unless you also trust everything you read in this thread as well

>>36735206
I kind of think this is a big thing we often overlook. Pandering to EOPs is a mistake obviously but getting them to tune in enough so they loop your music for example is still very helpful for growth

>>36735119
>I dont count it as saving because i dont feel like it even though both of them thanked the eop and would have likely graduated without them but thats still not saving because i said so.
I really dont get it?

Actually
Who did NOT get saved by EOP
Now that is an interesting subject

>>36735398

>>36735272
The question is, why has HoloJP been largely immune to this decline? I know the average is down somewhat from the stupid Rust highs that lifted everyone, but you've got lives hitting record numbers left and right, 130k+ gaming streams, that Botan/Lamy collab doing crazy numbers, etc. Why are they the one group still getting numbers?

Funny thing is that the "japs don't like or comment" is a two years old timeloop as well
https://archived.moe/jp/thread/26182312/#26206433

>>36735437

>>36733229

>numbers are retardedly high for Botan, Aruran and Zeta
>think YT did something to remove one of their 20 culls
>in comes Kiara with another 3k clunker to dash my dreams
damn...

>>36735436
If I had to guess... Ollie, Matsuri and Luna?

>>36735478

>>36735119
>and I don't really agree that counts as saving
So them not killing themselves and not graduating due to eop's life support doesnt count as saving them?

>>36735288
Is it actually
For a long time now HoloJP are actually divided into First Army and their cliques. And the First Army always send their number down to their cliques via the box
The box’s existence is proof that their number are not centralized at all. If anything it’s HoloEN number that is centralized with Gura being the only big source of numbers around

>>36735431
EOPs are also useful right now due to the value of the yen being garbage.

>>36735515

>>36735464
Because they're where vtubing became dominant whereas the others are fads. They're the ones with the most support and multiple vtuber stars, as well as 5 years+ of experience.

I swear you guys leave from the premise that all vtubing branches and their audiences are equal in opportunity, and that's so fucking stupid.

>all this talk about towa and aki being on eop life support and quitting when another talent haachama is literally on eop life support because the japs abandoned her due to her haachama character.

>>36735497
Ollie definitely get carried by the EOP, SPECIALLY after *that* rant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbyQaZZMDkM

>>36735556

>>36735425
Imagine being less informed than redditors.

>>36735560
Sigh, yea, and then it timeloops into the ol' "Market position of vtubing in EN vs JP" arguments and how Vtubing/anime's niche status in non-jp countries and etc etc etc.
It gets so tiring retreading these same arguments.

>>36735550
HoloJP doesn't need to care about the dollar. For them, one yen is one yen.

>>36735587

>>36735571
>when another talent haachama is literally on eop life support
Haachama? You would be right about it one year go but these days Haachama english speaking streams are failing to beat 3k

>>36735495
Zeta had a birthday and Botan was having sex with Lamy. I don't know about the male.

>>36735464
>The question is, why has HoloJP been largely immune to this decline?
Because holojp replaced or are on par with japanese streamers which is not that hard considering their jp pewdiepie is just 9m.
Now compare that to the en sphere where 9m is just lower middle tier when it comes to streamer size.

>>36735431
Most eops that are interested in holojp don't expect to be pander to anyway. They are there for the Japanese atmosphere and culture.

>>36735600
>trusting reddit is well-informed at the first place

>>36735464
Vtuber are accepted as normal celebrity in Japan and they pretty much merged with mainstream medias. I am pretty sure there are Vtuber news or ads and shit on their TV and they just treat it as normal
Say anything you want but western Vtuber try so hard to leech western e-celeb precisely because they want to achieve that same status

>>36735119
I believe the problem is we have differents concepts of "saving"
Your definition of saving is
>Restore views to pre-yab levels and even incline
Our definition of saving is
>Holding the line so that there isn't an irreversible decline, which has happened before and after these to both HoloJP and NijiJP

>>36735632

>>36735638
Matsuri and Fubuki in his stream

>>36735638
Foob and festival buff

>>36735669
They were able to use their eyeballs instead of pretending that the past didn't happen if it doesn't appear on their favorite numbercuck website.

>>36735695

>>36735633
most of his members post have a very disproportionate amount of english replies even when i compare them to other holo talents that i am a member of. non en streams have more eop than other holo members.

>>36735654
>9m is just lower middle tier when it comes to streamer size
You must be joking
9m subs isn't "Lower middle tier", it's top .01% or maybe even .001%

JWU, opinions on Botan and Lamy getting 50k? I remember most people expecting ay best 30k and some even predicting sub 20k. Can't blame them these two had a huge incline recently.

>>36735627
People forgot that the SC race does not matter much for the JP themselves. They live in Japan, they don’t spend USD
We see “only” 3k USD on Peko FGO stream but she see 400k yen

>>36735690
That's the core of the disagreement. it is not worth going much further than this, it seems an irreconcilable difference in the way both sides see what constitute "saving".
It doesn't make a difference tho, I doubt anyone would disagree that what allowed Hololive to greatly surpass their competitors was the fact they got a huge kaigai audience and held them, which seems to be the original topic.

>>36735579
fucking ingrate lard nigerina

>>36735727
come back with real links, kid. And no, your twitter caps won't be any better

>>36735730

>>36735689
>>36735623
Why are people trying to make this about yet another JP vs. EN thing? Most of the other JP vtubers are down right now too, it's just Hololive that seem to be holding/still hitting big numbers.

>>36735780
I don't know why you're in denial but I hope you get better.

>>36735783

>>36735747
9m is lower middle tier anon
https://www.youtube.com/c/TheACEFamily
this is what middle tier streamers are.

>>36735794
It’s just fact
It plain harder to reach mainstream medias as Vtuber outside of Japan. What Gura and Mori achieved is nothing short of a miracle

>>36735772
Well more accurately she sees 140k yen, since Youtube and Cover cuts are a thing.

>>36735762
Empty slot, waiting room for Mio + Miko post-sportsfes totsu.

>>36735814

>>36735782
kek, I'll assume you didn't know that rant and that you feel personally slighted.
I would too, even if I agree with her.

>>36734728
>As ive said last samurais literally cannot handle the fact that hololive was made relevant by esl and eops.
Hololive was getting big ass numbers from natives long before the great EOP boom started.

>>36735747
The difference is the amount. japanese being such a filtering language that only one country speaks will never have the reach that an English channel can get.

Sure 9M might be 0.01% in English youtube, but it's 0.0001% in Japanese youtube
It's all about relativity here and you could find several thousand EN youtubers with that amount

>>36735857

>>36735794
Probably because en is declining while jp is not. The biggest factor in en declining is the lack of support.

>>36735889

sometimes i wonder if one of the chinks who owned HM comes here to brag about their past glories or something, and how they "saved" hololive just like EOPs "saved" aki or rushia..

>>36733513
Just stream, ya cunts.

>>36735928

>>36735943
En3 would have helped with this

>>36735848
Wait a min
If she got USD doesn’t that mean the value of the cut is bigger? Cutting 20 USD is way more than cutting 200 yen

>>36735846
My original post wasn't about EN though, it was wondering about why Hololive JP is the one group that is still hitting big numbers when everyone else is declining. For some reason this was interpreted as being JP market vs EN market rather than also including the rest of the JP scene.

>>36735966

>>36735772
You've got it twisted though. Them living in Japan means that a dollar is worth more than a yen. It doesn't matter if all they spend is yen, getting $1 from takamori69 [KFP's first manager] is better than getting 100 yen from takeshi35P.
Once the dollar converts over to yen they just straight up get more money from the EOP

>>36736004

>>36735984
EN3 is a Dream

just finish my thing, and i thought shishiramy win the gold

>>36735794
Because most of holojp has reached celebrity status due to how big they are in japan anon.
Thats shit is a lot harder to achieve in en especially when you are competing with the top streamers/youtubers in the world.

>>36735101
Hololive is different because of the clean professional entertainment free of twitch-tier degeneracy.
Because you get to see good people fulfilling their dreams on the regular.
Because the box: the culture of collaborative team/family effort to create these anime moments in virtual reality.
New members need to understand this, and they'll enjoy support from JP, EN, ID, KR, ES... (etc)

>>36736036

>>36736072

>>36736001
Aren't niji events bigger than ever? Only their individual streamer got weaker but as a company they are doing pretty well.

>>36736001
>why Hololive JP is the one group that is still hitting big numbers
see
>>36736060

>>36736058(me)
my tribute

>>36733519
I unironically think Pekora would get better result with meme art tags. You should remember while “Hero of the children” is a meme, Pekora is pretty serious about how people see her, I am certain she wouldn’t want to be seen as sex object

>>36736116

heh, vrabi updated and now has some nice new features

Go to https://vrabi.net/labo/progress/2022-11-07 and click グループ, it has the combined CCV per branch across the day.

Look at that BEAUTIFUL transition at 22h30 for Holos

>>36735879
they were playing second and even third fiddle to other companies especially nijisanji and would still likely be playing third fiddle now if it werent for the eop.

>>36736026
And my post was talking about how the Holos cannot be bothered to care about these trivial thing, only we do

>>36736174

>>36736219

>>36736177
Thank fuck, it was irritating checking from Vstats

>>36736251

Dead hour so I wanted to post this entry to a fake kanji letter contest
This mean Loss

>>36736201
That's absolutely true and as a reward Hololive gave them a whole branch full of native speakers (bar Kiara) so they could understand what they were saying.

>>36736300

>>36735879
>big ass numbers
wasnt miko literally a 2view/3view prior to the esl/eop boom? like wise korone and fubuki would be as relevant as they are today if it werent for the algo blessing they recieved from the memes and clips from esl/eop.

>>36736335

>>36736325
a branch with no support or access to a studio.

>>36736325
You think there’s any EOP left in HoloJP after HoloEN? Their Reddit activity as well as HoloJP SC seem to indicate that they are all gone

>>36736325
>as a reward
yeah, a reward, that's how corporations work. they definitely got nothing back there

thank you blessed mioposters

>>36736376

>>36736318

>>36736422

>>36736403
Regardless of what people here say about CCV, EN sells plenty of merch, and that's probably what Cover cares about.

>>36736314
Fuck off man, all these years and this shit STILL fucking pops up outta nowhere.

>>36736459

>>36736473
then where is EN3

>>36736381
>You think there’s any EOP left in HoloJP after HoloEN?
Yes just look at every time some holo members says kagai niki or hey guys you literally get flooded with a ton of english chats even if it was from mel , roboco or even matsuri. Hell even their member posts sometimes have english replies in them.
On the niji side i barely see any if at all any english chat from people like ars, marin or chihiro.

>>36736491

>>36736201
PekoMari duo was already unbeatable back in spring 2020, the only Holo that was truly affected by EOPs, ESLs was Koro-san and her army of spics inn summer 2020.

>>36736338
>korone and fubuki would be as relevant as they are today
Fifth and sixth most subscribed vtubers in the world ?
#13 and #20 most watched vtubers on youtube by median in October, Fubuki with a 10k+ and Korone with 15k?

>>36736531

>>36736492
Why bother with a new gen when you can still coast of the merch and funnel the profits into the JP branch? Basically free extra funds for JP without have to do much except contract with someone to manufacture the merch.

>>36736473
Why would they care about merch when they make zero money from it?

>>36736557

>Itt EOP (Not even the one who saved JP) trying to make them look good

>>36736496
Niji killing clippers in an indirect way kill their eop audience.

>>36736565
because en3 would be making them even more money

>>36736496
i dont understand how their livers dont include their english name in their channel name. i feel that hurts their discoverability very easily.

>>36736592

>>36736381
>You think there’s any EOP left in HoloJP after HoloEN
Threadreader question. Yes, watch streams, they're still around.

>>36735856
>>36733045
>>36733095
wasn't it also because they don't have much audience overlap? (a lot of Lamy tourists, as it were?)

>>36736532
>post gamers gen
already recieved the benefits of the esl/eop audience anon due to memes/clips which raised their algo and engagement rate anon.

>>36736622

>>36736381
Yes, though most nowadays stick to 草 when appropriate or don't chat as much, since they get that random english for no reason is disruptive.
Also, why the fuck would I SC in english when I can just buy merch if I feel inclined to support them? Knowledge that merch is king is far more widespread now than it used to be back in 2020, and there's SO MUCH to choose from now that I'd rather save and drop it in one go over wasting (yes, I said it, WASTING) it on Superchats that will end up with large chunks of it carved off to YT and Cover.

>>36736658
how so, if all of lamy audience wants to /become/ and then get fucked by botan?

>>36736663

>>36736699

How old is Luna to sing songs like this...?
https://youtu.be/ZpD0148oFI0?t=1102

>>36736738

>>36736543
>Fifth and sixth most subscribed vtubers in the world ?
>#13 and #20 most watched vtubers on youtube by median in October, Fubuki with a 10k+ and Korone with 15k?
let me guess the year, 2019 right when they got a ton of new eyes from the eop and esl audience

>>36736766

>>36735101
I think you're making the mistake of conflating "people who watch EN" with "western viewers"
they're different things.

>>36736801

>>36736659
Are you claiming that EOPs and ESLs were tuning up to Marine's zatsudan? You better not.

>>36736833

>>36736853
I mean, back when TLs were still trying to TL her...

>>36736532
>2020

>>36736865

>>36736908

>>36736532
surely Miko's two most famous moments helped?

>>36736588
Why do you think they make zero money from it? Is this the misunderstanding from Lamy's statement again?
Cover only makes "zero money" from merchs if those came from projects chuubas started and, sometimes, funded themselves (i.e: Lamy's wine project). On the otherhand, they still get normal shares from normal projects funded by themselves instead of the chuubas (i.e: most of birthday / concert / anniversary merchs with few exceptions) - which is, unless I'm terribly wrong, most of the merchs.
So yes, they care, and they make plenty of money from merchs. Where else did you think they get enough money for the next 10 years from?

>>36736853
some of them were since there were TL back then but the most important thing is that they got clipped and memed by the esl/eops which boosted hololives algo.

>>36736938

>>36736799
kek, those are their current 2022 stats

>>36736177
>added log scale
kek

>>36736980

>>36736981
then why the fuck did he claim that they were big back then

>>36736982
Yeah, that’s dumb for anything not growing at exponential rate.

>>36737009

>>36736967
Sure, then next please do explain CAMP saga.

>>36737028
Because they were. What he implied incorrectly is that they are not big now.

>>36737044

>>36737084
be back, need to eat something and get more loods

>>36737040
They added it because of all the midgets overlapping below 10k but I'm not convinced it helps at all

>Two chuuba focused threads
>Three other threads with chuubas in OP
Stop it
/d/ doesn't deserve this fate!

>>36737028
NTA you were talking to, but are you trying to imply that
>Fifth and sixth most subscribed vtubers in the world
>#13 and #20 most watched vtubers on youtube by median in October
aren't big or relevant? (Haven't looked up their numbers so I'm just going to assume that that anon's data was accurate)

>>36737123
It doesn’t. People can fix that by unselecting the big boys, the Y axis readjusts

>>36736853
Getting boosted by the algorithm due to clips/memes is literally more important for more exposure anon which the esl and the eop provided.
Its literally the biggest reason why no other corpo can touch hololive when it comes to popularity and what made them the giant that they are today.

>>36735159
Fix your points tally for the first, Fauna's stream wasn't caught in vrabi

>>36737242
Holy retard