/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>36510088
I think ideally by introducing males you would want them to mainly attract an entirely new fanbase and not just appeal to the current one though right? If they appeal to the current one thats a bonus but the guys that support the girls monetarily are never going to be the same people that support the guys monetarily.

Even in Niji its like that. The fanbases don't really overlap that much even after nearly a full year of the males existing. Mostly its guys and gay women simping for the girls, and females and gay men simping for the boys. The only times you get a lot of cross over in the fanbases is if there is a big single view collab or someone is doing a big "event" stream like a karaoke or something.

Ike Evelund was only getting 1700 CCV today. Luxiem has reclined. Vtubing has reclined in general. Hololive and Nijisanji are going down because normalfags forgot they existed.

>>36510778
Correct.
Which is wild to me in the end, that people claim no one is buying or scing StarsEN. Because people indeed are buying their merch to sell out, and SCing them, so the whole "they make no money" cope is invalid.
They're making money from the people that are interested in them.

>>36510088
I think it is proven by now that Stars have their own box. Whatever the girls do on their solo stream doesn't affect the Star's viewers.

>>36510923
Marine just had 160k in her concert, 40k watching her members stream and merch sell out in a few minutes. I think hololive is fine.

>>36510088
based.
the only people who actually enjoy watching watching men behind anime pngs are women and closeted faggots. if you want a "brotuber" go watch a fleshtuber

>>36511126
Marine is a queen and half her fanbase are teenage japanese girls who want to get dicked by big hairy foreign men.

>>36510923
If you actually look at his numbers thats kind of exceptional though. He was doing the final part of a multi-part game series he hasn't touched in like 2-3 months now. Multi part games are always liable to decline in numbers as parts go on and if you leave a big gap between parts instead of being consistent its even worse.

>>36511195
His previous stream for example was 8k which is higher than usual even for him and its just a zatsu.

>>36510778
>I think ideally by introducing males you would want them to mainly attract an entirely new fanbase and not just appeal to the current one though right?

And they failed. Currently they are sharing the girls' fanbase, mostly IDs. They should've made StarsID instead.

>>36511369
As this anon said >>36511043 that's simply not true. Otherwise they'd have close to no views at all times when overlapped.
They're still getting views despite overlaps and they're getting members/SCs so they have their own box.

>>36511454
A very negligible box
Was it worth it ruining the environment? Ruining /vt/?

>>36511584
You new? /vt/ was ruined from day 1.
Also when the boys are universally praised in their company by other girls in EN, ID, JP and staff, their senpais, and their own CEO supporting them, yeah I think they all view it as worth it.

>>36510088
>The correct path is like Niji's Luxiem, total fujobait.
This is wrong, by the way. NijiEN girls got their superchats cut in half, and after the viral boom was said and done the 'men' in the branch are getting all their numbers and money during East Asia hours and are midgets outside it. The Luxiem model traded a slow-growth but prestigious brand for a short-term revenue increase that's already showing cracks.

Your post also fails to address the elephant in the room, which is that Luxiem+ waves and Tempus have shown that apparently being a creep at best and a complete piece of shit at worst is some sort of hard requirement to be a male vtuber.

>>36511584
not the guy's fault if your oshi whore herself out. maybe it's just girls instinct to crave for a male coworker's dick.

Stars JP has been in the business the same time as with the Holo JP girls and this is not an issue.

>>36511782
Yikes

Tempus boys getting the attention of your oshi?
No problem!
You can sign up now and you can feel the same way they're feeling. But all you gotta do is follow these tips:
>Pretend to be a retard
>Be good at singing
>Have good social skills so your conversation can bounce off well
>Optional: Sound gay (increases your chances of girls coming to you)
There you go! Hope that helps.

>>36511782
>being a creep at best and a complete piece of shit at worst is some hard requirement to be a male vtuber
I don't see Axel being either of those?

>>36512219
Anon... he's trying to fuck management for special treatment.

>>36512274
1) it's a bit
2) Management encourages said bit
3) If you somehow don't believe in 1, it makes 2 worse for (you)

>>36512274
how far are your schizo levels anon?
im a doctor..

>>36512368
>oh I'm so horny for you manager-san haha.
Nice "bit".

>>36512449
twisting the words already? you really are desperate

If Tempus didn't exist, your oshi can actually collab with males without much backlash.
Why?
Because they know it will not be regular content.

>>36512528
Kill yourself Nodoka, you worthless paycheck-collecting whore.

>>36512449
This is getting funnier with each response because you're either very bad at remembering, or desperately grasping at straws, but it's ok, I'll humor you.
>Axel never said he was horny for Nodoka
>Vesper started the bit, not Axel
>Nodoka has joked about it and said she's interested.
>Nodoka called in on Axel's birthday with A-chan and sent him a tweet about it too in picrel
>A-chan joked further about the bit claiming Axel would have to fight A-chan for Nodoka.

>>36513021
Oh my god, I need to watch another male flirt with my staff oshi now? This is not my Hololive Experience

>Logic
>Self-insert
How about you fujofags self-insert as kobo/nodoka for exchange then? Trash thread

>>36513405
Maybe if you join StarsEN 2, you can have your staff oshi say happy birthday to you.

>>36512219
Dude is super thirsty. I don't know how come there isn't more girls trying to avoid him.

>>36511325
It was a special Halloween zatsu, worth the numbers.

>>36513576
>Doesn't flirt with the girls at all
>Talks to girls like a regular human being
>Girls actively asking to collab or to just appear on his stream in Pochi's case
>He's the thirsty one
Damn. I wish I could be thirsty like that.

>>36513687
You've never hit on a coworker while trying to be professional, I take it.

Fuck it, I'll just say it. He's a male Ollie and I don't mean that as a compliment.

>>36513822
Nope, I'm a loyal man and I'm only after one girl. I talk to my male and female co-workers the exact same.
And I dunno what that's meant to imply with the retarded dingo, maybe if you tried using Altare I'd get your point.
Wait..are you RPR? Is this where all the Axel schizo-ism is coming from?

>>36510088
doesn't matter, HoloEN is gonna go all in

>>36511782
>niji
>slow-growth
are you serious

>>36513687
>His existence revealed the truth of women
We don't want the truth, anon
We never wanted to know

Niji goes hard in parasocial bf Yaoi bishi, ikemen or genki Boi etc. Women already have their online anime Yaoi bf.

Hololive fucked up by not reacting fast enough. Now all Hololive can do is make Hololive Español or SEA Yaoi fujo bait. Which would be successful but South America and SEA donos are weak sauce compared to Japan and HK like Nijisanji fans.

Yeah but, anon, look how much money female fans spend. It's fucking unbelievable.
The Niji girl's merch sales are directly proportional to the number of female fans they have. And the Niji boys, look how much money they're earning, it's off the chart.

So while 91% of the Hololive fanbase is male, those males aren't worth very much. You want to get the females, that's where the money is.

>>36510778
Mix gender collab is a terrible mistake

>>36514989
apparently NEET unicorns don't have any money, curious!

I love how anons use "niji" when they mean nijien but then ignore JP and their reality

>>36511901
It's such a shame that the HoloEN/StarsEN weren't able to replicate the successful formula of the JP branches.

>>36513021
>a man started all the drama


I think it's right

>>36515167
They are meant to own the audience that hates them.

>>36510088
Fully coombait never works. You need to downplay that shit if you want sponsors.

>>36515860
When does that ever work? Unironically. NijiEN tried that by browsing /here/ and it backfired, HoloEN trying to own the haters and that backfired.

>>36515553
The OP is clearly talking about tenpiss in comparison to luxsemen. So it's natural the conversation is going to revolve around EN.

>>36510088
this is verifiably wrong because multiple men in NijiJP have majority male fanbases. Maimoto is a prominent example with a 90+% male fanbase because his whole shtick is that he's a cool old guy who goofs around. Just because the EN scene has failed to tap into a similar audience doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>>36516241
Yeah but maimoto has been going for 4 years and will get taken over in superchat by vesper in half a year. Having a male audience doesn't get you lots of simps even if the guy does well for the company as a host for sponsorship stuff.

>>36517012
Or to make it even more extreme Vox has brought in nearly $1million in superchat in under a year compared to maimoto making $100k in over 4 years.

>>36511187
what

>>36511168
Why the fuck do I have to watch a flesh tuber if I want to watch a bro? Fuck of tranny. I'll watch whoever the fuck I want, even if it's a dude larping as an anime autismo. You don't own the vtubing scene and weren't here when it first boomed in 2016 or the rise of niji.

>>36517638
Watching some of the EN ones can be a bit uncomfortable as a straight male with how hard they'll pander to their to their female audience. But I've had a great time watching JP males.

>>36517638
because they're better?? That's why they have millions of fans

>>36511741
buying corporate self shill

>>36511168
I'll never understand how tf anons suddenly shilling 3DPDs on /vt/ of all places

>>36510088
>92.2% of Hololive fanbase are males
They want females as well
End thread

>>36510088
>>36510778
>The correct path is like Niji's Luxiem, total fujobait.
>I think ideally by introducing males you would want them to mainly attract an entirely new fanbase and not just appeal to the current one though right?
Um, they're already going down that path?Holostars have been appealing to fujos and yumes since the start.
Most of their Voicepacks are BFE, their newest CD drama is about the Stars being bad boys at a school, Hanakishi is posting audios of them sleeping together, Mafia is feeding their yumes with fanservice constantly, Uyu posted a marriage certificate for his fans after his debut, Axel is singing about how much he wants you to cum on his face, Altare makes ASMR and has posted BFE, Vesper wants to constantly please his audience and Magni can't be one stream without making sexual inuendos.If they're not getting more female fans, it's because Niji already has most of them, but cover is not going to drop them just because of that, also it'll be naive to think that the biggest VTuber company doesn't want to take the female market on their side too.
>But Yagoo said he wants the Brotuber audience.
That's irrelevant. He might have said that because he loves Holostars in a bro or fatherly way, but as a CEO he should know that a brotuber chuuba would never bring more money than a yumejo one. And ironically Nijisanji being the mixed progressive company would fit more into the brotuber category if their talents didn't act that gay.

>>36510088
>>36510778
>The correct path is like Niji's Luxiem, total fujobait.
>I think ideally by introducing males you would want them to mainly attract an entirely new fanbase and not just appeal to the current one though right?
Um, they're already doing that?
Holostars have been appealing to fujos and yumes since the start.
Most of their Voicepacks are BFE, their newest CD drama is about the Stars being bad boys at a school, Hanakishi is posting audios of them sleeping together, Mafia is feeding their yumes with fanservice constantly, Uyu posted a marriage certificate for his fans after his debut, Axel is singing about how much he wants you to cum on his face, Altare makes ASMR and has posted BFE, Vesper wants to constantly please his audience and Magni can't be one stream without making sexual inuendos.
If they're not getting more female fans, it's because Niji already has most of them, but cover is not going to drop them just because of that, also it'll be naive to think that the biggest VTuber company doesn't want to take the female market on their side too.
>But Yagoo said he wants the Brotuber audience.
Irrelevant. He might have said that because he loves Holostars in a bro or fatherly way, but as a CEO he should know that a brotuber chuuba would never bring more money than a yumejo one. And ironically Nijisanji being the mixed progressive company would fit more into the brotuber category if their talents didn't act that gay.

>>36512449
Well he did address it in his stream and management said it ok, so it is a bit, and both of them know it.

>>36511584
>>36515768
>Ruined HoloEN
Ok let's see.
>Bae
Already a regular
>Ame
Already a buka
>Mori
Do I need to explain?
>Kronii
I'll give you this one. She was really stupid and Starfans already hated her for stealing Shien's lyrics.
>Ina
Already drew Shien and collaborated with him on that game. If she hated males, she wouldn't have asked her chat for a Holostar to draw in the first place.
The rest still don't recognize their existence and all HoloID already supported Holostars before Tempus.
Also, I can guarantee you that Mori and Kronii will totally forget about Stars in about 3 or 4 months.

>>36514819
>Niji goes on ikemen BL route who predominant demographic are mainland china.

Yea, they sure missing that boat.

>>36512274
>special treatment
Nodoka doesn't hold any power over them since Hololive and the stars have different management.
>>36512449
It clearly started as a joke for the rest of Tempus to tease Axel but since the beggars love hetships they spammed it everywhere and blew it out of proportion.

ITT: HoloBros big mad that le grossnasty wimminz are liking male chuubas for the same reasons they like fem chuubas

>>36519960
Funny for you to say that when they already have many fans from Taiwan and Hong kong.

>>36519855
They need to learn from fubuki and towa, if you want to collab with male, you just need to do more collab with other girl as well, it a good optic that show you don't neglect the fanbase that are here for YOU.

>>36511782
Yeah their women has become nothing but leeches and 3 views

>>36520109
True but mainland still dominate as their fanbase.

>>36520096
>same reasons
No, you sisters are more openly horny

>>36520096
tranny hands typed this

>>36520120 me
Also the boy need to learn, you cant rely on holo hugbox, they need to find new fan outside of it like new popular game.

Kobo yesterday reach 10k ccv more than normal just by playing dota. If they play popular game and could retain some viewer, it consider a success for the branch.

>>36514989
Holo fucking killed their cash cow, twice

>>36520209
>Yumes hide all their nsfw art behind 3 pages and 4 passwords
>Holobronies post porn on their oshi's main art tag and can base their whole personality on being a coomer.

>>36517638
Stupid faggot popular male streamers stay on top of any streaming platform not your 2d vtuber boy

>>36520374
lol

>>36520209
>sisters more openly horny
>this board has more fem Chuuba horni threads than male
>more horny comments in chats for fem chuubas overall

Make it make sense.

>>36515167
>>36510778
>>36510088
Vesper at least understands that he has to keep his fujos satiated. Not sure how many of the others get that.

>>36517638
Just say you're gay if you unironically enjoy watching attractive anime men, faggot.

>>36520096
fujos are fucking crazy dude, it's not the same

>>36520160
The chinese fans still get to buy merch and can watch youtube with VPNs or by posting clips on bilibili. What does it mean to appeal to china? Make them say how much they love the CCP?

>>36520109
Hongkong already taken by chink, no more difference from mainland

>>36520517
>fujos are fucking crazy it's not the same
Take a peek at the general and tell me that men aren't crazy

>>36520444
Yeah, there's less of you than us. Is anything I said mistaken?

>>36520455
I don't give a shit about him. The pic don't even have holo in it

>>36520438
You'd get banned for posting chat like that in any Niji or Holo girls chat.

>>36520561
Yes. Vox supported one china policy

>>36520455
Most of them get it except maybe Magni. Axel and Altare already went the pretty boy route in their PL accounts.

>>36520622
As someone that's browsed places where fujos go like tumblr and now crystal and other cafes, no anons are not as fucked as fujos. The mind of an autist is considerably more subdued and sane than the mind of a cluster b fujo.

One is just extreme male brain that likes puzzles and video games, and the other is a victim of some kind of childhood abuse that left them fucked in the head.

>>36520708
Source?

>>36520261
Retard, Kobo started stream directly after Marine's 160k CCV, it was a funnel.

>>36520757
Meds now, you can't say the average Tumblr fujo is worse than the schizo holobronie.
The tumblr fujos are mostly trannies who can't stand a minute outside of their hugboxes and the star fangirls on twitter can't say anything negative related to their oshis without using codenames on private accounts.
And if after all of that they're still crazier than the male unicorns, why does Vox keep being the prince of the yumes after the Reimu thing?Imagine if Gura let a Star interrupt her stream and then turned on her audience by siding with him just to try and beg for forgiveness some streams later. Even Rushia still got a shitton of antis and she never bend the knee to the males like Vox did to the females.

>>36510088
>he thinks Nijisanji's audience wasn't predominatly males
You do realize its Luxiem who brought in the fujos, right? Same might happen to Hololive, although it doesn't seem like it since their numbers are still low

>>36520770
Ask sis claire

>>36521169
>average Tumblr fujo
Where did I say average? None of these vox fujos are your typical tumblerite they are all fucking nuts I just clicked on one fucking stream at random and they are absolutely over the top insane.

>The tumblr fujos are mostly trannies who can't stand a minute outside of their hugboxes
You're either retarded or underage

>And if after all of that they're still crazier than the male unicorns, why does Vox keep being the prince of the yumes after the Reimu thing?
Okay you seriously don't get the context of these last two pics then: >>36520757
and >>36520517
The visual novels that fujos read have characters that do the most heinous, ridiculous shit and they love that. One of the most popular ones has a character that kills the mc's family/friends and that is a favorite route that fans have. Others try to drown them, torture them, etc.
Any drama, ANY drama involving a vox and someone else could easily be ignored just by him saying sorry because fujos don't give a literal fuck if he told them they are all garbage and he just wanted their money, because they want to be maimed, brutalized, and spit on, metaphorically and generally disrespected by him. The cycle of these vn's is the guy does something bad, then apologizes, and no matter what that thing is the girl forgives him even if it's the most fucked thing in the world.

It's basically chadfishing but in vn/vtuber form.

>>36519855
She didn't steal Shien's lyrics. Why is this rrat still going? She asked and he said, yes. He wanted to hear it said by a native english speaker.

>>36521263
I just can't see how anybody could look at what happened to NijiEN and go 'yeah, I totally want this, you'd absolutely have to be an incel to be upset by this'. Well, outside of the fujos who benefited from it going to the dogs, that is.

>>36510088
>>92.2% of Hololive fanbase are males
>>Hololive
>>Literally ホロライブJP in image
Why are you using this to talk about Holostars?

>>36521701
Anon you really didn't know that one of the most common fetishes among women is being dominated?

>>36520757
Yeah, this is bad, but is it worse than prison highschool?

>>36522318
Why the fuck do you think that is retard?
It's what contributes to them being completely fucked in the head when they are obsessive, because it's cluster b personality disorders instead of autism. Cluster b makes you fucked in the head and obsessed with domination hierarchies.

>>36522412
>but is it worse than prison highschool?
Prison school is 100 times less egregious than this shit I'm talking about lmao.

Gonna remember this whenever I see more threads about unicorns being the most prominent fanbase.

>>36522042
>"Shien, can I use your monologue?"
>"Ok."
>Don't credit him in the video or the description.
>Shien has to credit himself on a quoted tweet that doesn't get as much traction as her cover.
>Gets called out for it.
>"O-Oh, sorry, I was expecting management to tell me if I can credit him, it's their fault!"
>"Why does management have to give you permission for that?" "Why didn't you wait until they gave you permission before posting the cover?"
"Ok guys, look! See? I put his name on the 5th line of the description! I really care about giving credit."
Yeah, she didn't technically steal it, but she tried to pass it off as her own.
Also, she later said she didn't care that much and just used the lyrics because she thought they were "edgy." Shien spent a lot of time with his members writing the monologue and the whole cover was his 1 year anniversary song, also this was before Tempus where she barely recognized Holostars as first-class citizens.

>>36520120
Fair enough. In Tempus case a lot of Holostar fans dislike them not for the girl collabs but for not collabing with Holostars enough.

>>36510088
They took a risk and it didnt work out.........yet

>>36510088
Mr. Unicorn, no matter how much you whine, Holostars are not going away.
They're not taking your woman and doing things to her in front of you. They're not the Grifith to your Guts.

>>36511454
70% overlap with hololive EN

>>36523219
Yup i can see that, the most notable collab i can remember are just welcoming them to minecraft and left 4 dead 2, and impromptu valorant, other i might have missed.

They just didn't established enough with the other starjp snepai and their fan, it become a weird situation between their fanbase, starjp and hologirl.

>>36523219
>a lot of Holostar fans dislike them
Who told you this ? /vt/ ?

>>36523219
Language barrier is one of the reasons.
Can't depend on Axel to translate for them forever. Let TEMPUS stand on their own feet as well as future StarsEN members.

>>36522428
Don't you know? Women are unicorns with butterfly wings. Insinuating there attraction chemistry is even more egregious and self-destructive than anons is akin to heresy.

Yes, girls are completely fucked in the head when they become obsessive, but you won't be heard.
Just comparing k-pop-stans with idolfags should clue in any sane person in. The rest, the majority, is sadly hopelessly lost.

>>36510088
What can they do to course correct at this point?