/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>3611418
Yes

Man I wish I was a woman

>>3611418
wahmen rarely spend most of their time watching streamers.
it's a male dominated industry.

>boy I sure love speculating over stupid questions with a bunch of anons that couldn't possibly have a definitive answer.
This is why I shitpost. Love you~

Everyone just wants to take the easy route and utilize a formula that's proven to work. Why *should* they take a risk and employ a male? This is the same reason why movie studios will make reboots and sequels instead of original works. It's safer, but it's no fun.

Merry is doing fine.

>>3611569
HoloEN MAY have a male. Maybe played by a woman. Some schoolboy with panda ears.

>>3611531
The funny thing is the top non virtual streamers are almost all men. Something about vtubing flips that around.
https://twitchtracker.com/channels/viewership

>>3611755
Same goes for CastleHead

>>3611418
>no homo
>no homo
Good?

>>3611825
>HoloEN MAY have a male
Never ever going to happen. Best you can hope for is HolostarsEN.

>>3611539
The funny thing is the top non virtual streamers are almost all men. Something about vtubing flips that around.
https://twitchtracker.com/channels/viewership

>>3611883
The anime artstyle just doesnt compliment the masculine aesthetic very well

No shit anon

>>3612026
If I was going to do it I'd probably do something weird like a robot or something else highly themed.

From the Niji EN video
At leats the one on the left it's a dude

>>3612375
Do they plan on debuting more members almost immediately? That'd be a hell of a twist if so.

>>3612375
>Visible breasts
>Long hair
Anon, I...

You can't be a successful male in western vtubing without being a trend hopper (having an existing fanbase) or being a huge leech. The market isn't there.

>>3611755
>>3611895
Merry has an 800k+ subscriber youtube channel and famous webcomic business and still pulls less than 500 viewers, and castlehead is only popular because code miko shills him all the time.

>>3611755
i'll never get over this guy laughing at an autistic guy and asking if he took his meds

>>3611418
Over? It never even began

>>3612101
If I had to vtube, I'd also probably do a robot theme, complete with Microsoft Sam TTS voicework. I'd never actually follow through though, I don't play any popular games and I'm too autistic to do any variety stuff.

>>3611418
>Is it over for male vtubers in the west?
Hasn't even begun, more like. We won't know how well they can make it until someone actually tries.

>>3612542
Well, fuck

>>3612682
>>3612693
>19 seconds faster
Heh

The successful ones I know of are femboys, already had a following or menheras.

Mocca?

Does Nuxtaku count? He had a following before getting a Vtuber model, but he was sort of Vtuber before with his non-still image model.

>>3611418
I'm unbelievably disappointed there weren't any males in NijiEN. Even Hajime got in once upon a time, they really thought the EN market would be that much more averse to males? I was so looking forward to the NijiEN males collabing with the boys.

>top EN indies
>no men
*ahem*
https://www.twitch.tv/admiralbahroo

>>3614559
>vrchat
cringe

>>3614559
>N*xtaku
YIKES!

>>3614560
Which Niji guys are good or passable at English?

do they not know about Corpse Husband? I've never engaged in any of his content but I'm always hearing about him, That could literally be the next male EN V-Tuber if done right, A load of dumb teenage girl who will buy and believe anything you say.

>>3614681
Yumeoi sounds really fluent when he speaks english

>>3614681
Naruse actually has pretty good pronunciation, ID guys all can speak English what >>3614816 said too.

>>3611927
Men are more entertaining
Anime girls are cuter, sexier, and easier to fap to
If you want good content, watch a real man
If you want to coom, watch your waifu

>>3614579
Trendhopper with previous gigantic fanbase.

Actually succesful males are: Kittymcpancakes
Mocca (femboy)
Bungotaiga (femboy)
Aisriale
SeanVRC (babi)
ArtsyVR (femboy)
TfmJonny
Takahata
Merryweather
FoxyJoel (babi)
Spacer and Kongou have acquired quite a following aswell.

>>3615035
>Trendhopper with previous gigantic fanbase.
so every vtuber ever

>>3615035
>SeanVRC (babi)
>ArtsyVR (femboy)
>Takahata
>Merryweather
>FoxyJoel
All of these guys are trend hoppers

>>3615035
babi(?)

>>3611927
seeing how well off those minecraft guys are when they were literal who's (or nobody leeches in ranboo's case) about a year ago is surreal. they're up there with people who have been streaming for 10 years.
dream smp vtuber when?

>>3611418
I'm gonna start Vtubing just to spite the GFE addicted niggers

>>3615035
This. Most males vtubers that are doing well now were known for something else before they became vtubers
>>3615072
Most of Holopro and Nijisanji members weren't that well-known before they became vtubers. There is only a few of them who had over 50K subscribers

>>3615072
>>3615091
Sure but imo Bahroo takes the cake.

>>3615072
Can't hop trends if you started the trend.

>>3615161
Bahroo did not start any trend.

>>3615138
Every popular holo and niji had a large fanbase before they became vtubers, Mito, Lize, Ange, Pekora, Gura, OkaKoro, they didn't just pop out of nowhere

>>3611755
Might be because the guy is involved with thousands of webcomics and is one of the biggest names in the industry. But who knows.

>>3615228
Not that anon.

You can't really say that when people like Kanae are up there, man literally got rejected by them and look at him now. Same goes for Mayuyu too, extremely popular and his nakano hito channel was like really small before he became a vtuber.

>>3615202
I was making a joke about Ai but I should've probably read the reply chain.

>>3615091
Don't most of FoxyJoel's following come from his vtubing work? If he built himself up from vtubing I wouldn't call it trendhopping.

>>3615228
??????? Lize and Ange maybe you could make a case for, but Mito/Deron/Moira were literal nobodies.

>>3615455
>Moira
Still is.

>>3615455
Deron and Moira sure but Mito was well off on niconico before, vtuber "success" is literally just all about who can bring in existing fanbases

>>3611418

Kuzuha and Kanae both have very popular JP clips.

>>3615488
>the most successful ENs are Gura and Mori
You may be on to something

>>3611418
I don't know man, as a western man, I have no interest in watching other dudes stream, especially if they got live 2D anime characters

>>3615535
You seem to be in the minority for the dudes part.

>>3615535
The biggest streamers in the world are all males

>vshojo
>no men
Heh

>>3615535
autist detected

>>3615580
I guess I am, I have no interest in seeing a bishounen character play games
>>3615663
I wouldn't know, I can't even name one.

>>3615488
>well off on niconico
Where did you even get this? The only prior to vtubing accomplishments she even has online is a NND short movie she directed during her 1st year in art uni featuring her maidcafe coworkers , her high school band's Youtube channel with less than 5k subs where 90% of those subs probably came after people realized who she was too, and an imas bot twitter account with 4k followers.

>>3611418
This is all the fault of fans. They want the idea of cute girls and idols and all this crap that doesn't matter for streaming.

>>3615710
You're an average vtuber fan who has no interest in male streamers. Which is fine. It just shows that the market for male streamers and vtubers is quite different.

>>3615711
>an imas bot twitter account with 4k followers.
Link? I need to see this shit for myself.

>>3611569
god i love mayuyu so much

>>3611418
I mean, why would I watch a male vtuber?

>>3611418
Laughed way too hard when NijiEN was revealed to be all girls. It should have been obvious but I really got the feeling they would test the waters with one guy at least.

>>3616179
https://twitter.com/deresutehanme?lang=ja

Don’t worry anon, once I join holostarsEN I’ll have successes
Hopefully

>>3616331
Because some are entertaining, unless you're unable to watch without stroking your dick and get triggered at males.

>>3616514
Do you know anything about Holostars?

>>3616390
I've been once again reminded that Mito is a legit shizo.

>>3616514
I'm making my debut along with this anon. Wish us luck!

>>3615072
>>3615228
>>3615488
The difference is that those people started a "fresh" career and then people who found out about their previous life poured in.
Bahroo never started from scratch again, he just added a new object on his OBS settings.

>>3616514
>>3616693
what will your avatar look like, QUICK

>>3616541
Half the reason to watch vtubers is because they are cute anime girls

>>3611418
Who's the one in the middle? Maimoto?
>>3615093
niku

>>3616954
yeah, it's maimoto

>>3617029
Thank you

>>3616741
White hair , small horns, slightly muscular and dark purple fantasy looking outfit

>>3617347
With a cape

>>3617347
>>3617378
could be promising
can you sing?

>>3617437
Yes I can, the songs I sing the best are 80s pop/rock I can also voice act a wide range of voices from femboy to male ara ara and yakuza

>>3611418
I'm sorry that your epic plan (that probably millions of other dudes had given a thought) to become a male vtuber to get close to Holos to fuck them, isn't gonna work out.

On a more serious note the streamer audience in the West itself just doesn't seem to have a large audience of female viewers. There have been plenty of male vtubers in the West now, and none of them really catch on however unless they outright play as a girl or look rather like one. Ultimately the basic core pillar is "people watch vtubers because they like cute girls" rather than wanting a funny friend simulator.

Such a thing does exist in Japan but not really here yet. Probably the closest I've seen to acceptance of the idea around here is adopting our son Roberu, but Holostars success is still just a tiny fraction relative to Hololive's regardless. I'm not sure what kind of Faustian bargain the top Niji males made to somehow gain a big fujo audience but they seem more an exception than the rule.

>>3617508
>80s pop/rock
i will sub immediately.

>>3617557
>the streamer audience in the West itself just doesn't seem to have a large audience of female viewers.
Offline TV boys, Dream SMP, Corpse Husband, etc

>>3617557
Raito...

>>3617557
Niji males get translated clips by weebs, that plus the tons of fanart they get appeal to girls so they end up getting a decent amount of Western female fans. They love fanart.

>>3612542
I must be blind because I don't see that.

>>3615035
This list is a fantastic example of how male vtubers aren't actually viable in this market. Aisriale, Spacer and Kongou are the only ones you could possibly make a case for being pure-bred vtubers while all the others already had fanbases to get them started, and all three are actually MASSIVELY boosted compared to even most women.

Despite this, none of those three actually do all that well. We're calling them successful males when a woman with their numbers would be considered middling at best.

The fact is that BungoTaiga is actually the only one on the list that performs consistently well and he goes in and out of just acting like a woman. Even people like Takahata and Merryweather who have massive existing fanbases perform far more inconsistently in viewership and far worse in revenue than women half their size.

All these companies refuse to debut men because by the numbers, by the facts, male vtubers don't work in the west. The Japanese scene has always had a male presence, but there are still zero reliably popular male vtubers in the West. Any exceptions that exist are clear exceptions, they're all people who got here with a massive advantage and still perform far worse than women.

I don't doubt that plenty of them are talented, Takahata's obviously very good, but his numbers when he streams on his own versus when he streams with a boost from his friends is worth over 500 viewers. The corporations aren't debuting men because you can't count no men getting numbers at all yet.

>>3611927
Look at the top of that list. Thank god Vtubers are not like this trash.

>>3618370
>Vtubers are not like this trash
It's an optical illusion.

>>3611418
Yes, westerners are sexists.

>>3618195
Isn’t that dude from NijiID one of their best performing though? Not that the standard there is high

>>3614681
>>3614816
>>3614987
Yeah,this. Also Kenmochi lived for some time in Australia and has basic English proficiency, but he never panders to the EOP. Genzuki is so-so.

>>3618495
ID males actually do much better than EN males on average for some reason I don't understand. Zen Gunawan is as far as I know fully indie and does great, they have a huge amount of guys that pull in the 50+ range without help. My best guess is that vtubers are part of the regular streaming pool in Japan and Indonesia but over here everyone watching is a weeb looking specifically for cute anime girls.
I'm sure if hololive or nijisanji debuted a male he'd do fine but I can't imagine it's worth the investment compared to just pooling towards another woman.

>>3612437
It's apparently common for other branches that they split up their groups of newcomers into a bunch of smaller waves. So chances are high we may see a pt.2 or even gen2 coming soon.

>>3611418
noone cares about stinky m*n apes

>>3611539
Anon Every single top minecraft streamer currently has a majority to 50% female Audiences its wild

>>3622930
They can just ask and their female simps will run over each other to donate thousands of dollars worth of subscribers (gifted).

>>3623738
Do you really think their girl fans are older than 14? There are maybe 3 or 4 female simps with money in that entire community, the rest are children that try to end your life if you say the “r-slur” or don’t respect someones neopronouns. Only good for ad revenue and nothing else.

>>3611418
It's over for men in general. Virtual GFE is the nail in the coffin. All resources will be rerouted to our oshi overlords.

Bahroo is quite good

NijiEN male gen

SteveMREinfo1989
Townsends
Ordinary Sausage

Their avatars are just a packet of Coffee Instant Type II, a piece of hardtack, and a sausage all with eyes and a mouth and their content is completely unchanged from what it is now.

>>3626309
>MRE vtuber
all my supachats

and the comment overlay is the tray

>>3611569
>Why *should* they take a risk and employ a male
Because historically, all the biggest streamers / LPers have been males. e.g. Pewdiepie, DrDisrespect, Ninja etc

i don't want filthy western males in nijisanji

>>3615154
At least he made it simple, original and it doesnt take away anything from how he streamed before. Rescue is also incentivised now to be a non vtuber stream platform for him. He took all the benefits of being a trend jumper barely reaping the negatives if any at all other than the tag. He does take the cake though.

damn, just fucking redebut boni for nijiEN and see how that goes, there's nothing to lose

>>3611418
Yes. No more male vtubers please.

You people want male vtubers to exist but let's be honest, you're not going to watch or support them. Just look at this, this was the guy that once get 192k viewers and was considered the strongest male vtuber number wise. This is going to happen to Kuzuha in the future as well.

>>3611418
I think they won't do it because they believe they won't make cash on it. That is either because the heads don't think dudes will make the super chat cash or they don't do it because a dude will jump ship and take his audience with him for a bigger payday.(This has happened a shit ton with companies like maker and such and those ex maker managers work for companies like cover now)

>>3636379
192k viewers was never his norm you retard

i think the problem stems from the fact that vtubing itself requires you to be cutesy and expressive with the avatar and people tend to focus on that feature rather than the stream itself.
guys are normally achievement-driven and so would rather focus on getting the "goal of the stream" done more than fooling around with their avatars.

>>3637253
Of course not. But are you trying to act like numbers in this >>3636379 was his norm? He used to get 15-20k solo, around 30k on collabs, and 100k on special streams. His viewership dropping this hard means his fans aren't loyal at all

>>3636379
Based retard

>>3612026
you say that while belmond exists

wait a couple months.

>>3636967
Because they won’t make cash on it. Both the companies and the community know western vtuber fans only watch for cute anime girlfriends and not streamers. The only people that refuse to believe it and say shit like “we won’t know until one blows up” are guys that secretly hope they’ll be the ones to blow up even though they don’t watch male vtubers either.

>>3618706
>ID males actually do much better than EN males on average for some reason I don't understand.
Now that you said it, I remember I'm surprised seeing this guy in Vnuma as one of Vtuber guys with top subscriber number, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9QnAjC7mT4ggHuedr1_kqQ
He's not the streaming kind of Vtuber though.

>>3616915
Why? I honestly can't comprehend this at all. What is it about male vtuber that filters retarded western weebs? I can't stand most female streamers and slapping a drawing over them doesn't fix that. I hate faggot weeb coomers like you that hold shit back because of your shit fucking taste. Could have had a mathew perry chubba or some shit

>>3611418
most normal people just like
watch normal streamers

>>3637440
>But are you trying to act like numbers in this >>3636379 was his norm?
Yes. Check his other Mahjong streams out. That's his norm.

>>3612665
Yeah that was a pretty cringe moment for Merry, he hangs around someone as obnoxiously autismo as Lumi yet proceeds to pretty (autistically) insult and rip someone for taking pills and having a mental health diagnosis...

>>3615096
these Minecraft Youtubers targets young teenage girls (and boys) and abuse parasocial relationship, which is not that different from VTubers like Rushia

Because it's a risk from a business perspective.
There's also not exactly many men who can perform a character that's suitable for the vtuber audience. Because the vtuber formula has a certain mode in which it operates. You need someone who is somewhat charismatic through voice alone, but also calm. If you look at successful streamers, they're all more or less aimed at what's essentially boys and young teenagers. They yell very loudly and they scream and spout memes. It's the sort of thing that would appeal to someone who has just discovered the internet and learned what a "pogchamp" is. But that doesn't really appeal to weeaboo women in their 20s and 30s (the ones that bring in the money), success of people like Connor nonwithstanding. And while you can go for the meme spouting "we want the kid audience" character, you're still better off hiring a woman to do it, there's more money in that.
While using the term "seiso" for male idols might not be quite appropriate, that's essentially what you're looking for and if you look at homostars and successful nijisanji males, they all are. Because that's appealing to the niche market they're aiming for.

>>3646735
Or you just appeal to the saviordykes with someone like Mashiro.

>>3646735
That's really what it is it's a risk with virtually no payoff. Either the guys eat shit and cap out at 5k subs or they do well but not as well as if they just got another woman.