/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>3601236
ogey

based nijiCHAD, waging war against two biggest vtuber companies in the west at the same time
they can't stop winning
respect

https://www.twitch.tv/nijisanji_en
It's worth noting that none of their other branches have an official Twitch account.

Miko sometimes uses twitch as well, what about it

>>3601236
the final yabe...

Update: They have an official TikTok too.
https://www.tiktok.com/@nijisanji_en

>>3601236
https://www.tiktok.com/@nijisanji_en
Just hurts

>>3601236
>vshoujo audience
i dont even wish this fate on them, just ask for a collab with holos rather

>>3601384
>>3601387
didnt cover had one at one point last year?
does the weeb market care about tiktok?

>>3601410
Apparently Kizuna Ai pulls better views on TikTok than YouTube nowadays.

>>3601236
I don't feel so good, Nijibros...

>>3601236
If this is how they're gonna play, then they at least need a stricter Enma or else, the yabe will come. There's a reason holoEN is on a tighter leash whatever that might be.

>we want the vshojo audience
I'll wish them good luck with that endeavor.

>>3601236
djwheat or any twitch mod ban rta どりゃああああああああああああああああああああああ

>>3601410
>>3601427
this is true

>>3601427
Ai regularly pulls 500k+ views on her TikToks.

>>3601236
don't you make more money on twitch vs youtube assuming equal viewers/donations/etc. ?
The only reason not to stream there is to avoid the culture associated with it

>>3601458
yabe is part of the fun. NijiJP got flamed for yabs countless times.

>>3601236
Smart move. If you keep all the EOPs on another platform, then the JP branch can continue business as usual on Youtube. No need to be overly cautious like Hololive.

>>3601492
you need a really good deal, and they will only give you that for exclisivity.
otherwise you earn more on you tube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGvfYv5nzs0

>>3601384
>>3601387
There are Nijisanji talents who have done stuff on tiktok already

>>3601236
Really?????....... They're going to use twitch........

>>3601349
It's just weird that they'd set up an official account there. Makes you think they're concentrating the entire branch on Twitch.

>>3601349
miko only uses it for the watchalongs with the amazon prime feature.
Having a official channel is just weird.

>>3601492
Twitch is more lax on DMCAs since it's in platform to automatically remove the copyrighted songs iirc while you have to manually remove them on Youtube. Amazon screen sharing is also a thing so for watch-alongs, you don't have to buy/rent your own movie, you can just watch the stream.

But if you're affiliated on Twitch, you can't post content on Youtube or any other platform. Also, VODs get automatically deleted on Twitch after 2 months or so.

I think as a company, Youtube is "better" mostly for being able to keep VODs, but I mean they can also just have a Youtube channel for VODs if they are willing

>>3601236
People are really going full schizo over fucking platform.
At the end of the day there's no difference between YT and Twitch. Good brand will succeed on any platform they choose to use.

>>3601543
Yeah but not official. Even ShizuRin who streams on Twitch was talking about whether management would accept her making an account on twitch

>>3601343
>>3601384
Man already DOA, you dont spread your talents platform like that on debut,newcomer audience dont know which Sites they need to follow...

What is the official channel gonna do? Stream? I can understand if the talents themselves use twitch but the official channel?

>>3601690
This is pre-debut. This is stuff people found by snooping, "officially" these accounts don't exist yet.

>>3601504
How bad is the JP's flame compared to EN's flame?

>>3601750
Aloe.

>>3601687
I'll have to make an account now which is kind of annoying

>>3601702
The official JP Nijisanji channel hosts big collabs between talents, they're probably planning to do the same here

What the fuck are they thinking

>>3601687
Who's going schizo here? It's just a confusing business choice.

>>3601648
No, she actually does regular streams.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1007316177

>>3601682
Ppl really talk BS about Twitch exclusivity.
It's fucking not working like that, lol.
You cannot post the same content on other platform for i think 48h? You're fine doing content on YT, it's just that you cannot post VODs immediately there and multi-platform streaming is no-no.

>>3601427
no shit. She's popular in China

why is everyone thinking that them having NijisanjiEN twitch account means they will not stream on Youtube? They will probably posy clips there like they already do on NijiEN youtube channel

>>3601236
Interesting, so they are going to target Vshoujo audiences instead

>>3601830
That's not really how Twitch works, is it? You can't just upload videos there.

>>3601325
I can't deny I want Niji to up the game of the mediocre western vtuber scene. What saddens me is that the current ENfags' smug behavior won't go away and it will just be petty battles between both camps from then on, possibly worsening the board as a whole which is already pretty bad.

>>3601682
>But if you're affiliated on Twitch, you can't post content on Youtube or any other platform.
This is false

>>3601830
Because people are fucking confused about Twitch's partnership rules and talk out of their asses, lol.

>>3601846
Am I'm crazy or is that actually smart decision on their part? They realised that grabbing Hololive audience wouldn't really work and decided to go this way instead

>>3601750
Noraneko, Maimoto and Gwelu considered graduation and management had to talk them out of it

>>3601902
oggey

>>3601687
Not true. Look at Shroud and Ninja when they left from Twitch to Mixer. The amount of viewers and subscribes they had dropped considerably. You saw how that ended up.

>>3601687
You're not completely wrong but I do think twitch has more rogue staff while youtube has rogue ai. Also I can say making money is easier on twitch starting off but dunno about longterm or big numbers comparing the two.

>>3601796
anonchama those are watchalong for the horse anime

>>3601888
"Brother, you take care of YouTube, I will deal with the Vshojo myself...."

>>3601236
so they can buy viewbots easily

>>3601888
No, it's a retarded decision. Nijisanji fanbase has more overlap with Hololive than VShojo. Holofags, for one, have brand awareness for Niji thanks to the continious cross-company collabs they do.

I feel like with twitch if you can get a decent sized audience to your livestream initially then discovery is made a lot easier than youtube because you'll be high in the list. But if you've go low numbers then it's much worse for discoverability than youtube.

>>3601539
I could see Twitch/Amazon making a deal with Ichikara because they want a slice of that Vtuber pie after seeing Hololive incline.

>>3601926
wrong link
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/952683645

>>3601830
Why would you post clips on a platform that is primarily based around streaming and has low views on VOD replays? That seems like putting the cart before the horse.

I don't care if they stream on twitch.
But please for the love of god do not let them be react streamers

They could be on both, NijiKR does Japanese streams on YouTube and Korean streams on Twitch

>>3601830
is redundant. And is stupid to post clips since vods dissapear.

>>3601849
>replying seriously to the vyt sperg who's been fanning the flames since before holo / niji split off from vyt

>>3601888
Nijisanji already has a fanbase on youtube though. And there probably is more overlap with the Hololive community than the Vshoujo community.

>>3601932
They want to expand their audience instead of relying on holofag trickle down views

>>3601932
The problem is that most ENfags are very insular and don't care at all about Niji to begin with. They want the EOP audience that doesn't watch the collabs between the JP companies in the first place.

>>3601924
Twitch staff is getting worse every passing day, their enforcement of rules are fucking retarded.

Nijien hot tub streams lets goooo

>>3601956
I believe that she was streaming on twitch because youtube has problems

>>3601820
There's no TikTok in China.

>>3601953
>isreal

>>3601236
Unironically a good idea
In fact HoloEN should've been on Twitch as well
Streaming on Youtube is a dumb JP meme

>>3601932
>already gatekeeping their main branch fanbase
kek

>>3601953
>Twitch/Amazon
>amazon
amazon doesnt give a shit about twitch. that shit is not making them money.
Also they have vshojo already which is owned by one of twitch top guys or something.

>>3601963
Because Koreans are obbsessed with twitch

>>3602022
that guy is no longer affiliated with Twitch is he?

>>3601888
I'll be frank, I genuinely thought it will be impossible for them to target Hololive audience since those guys are loyal and fanatic af (aloe case). But I never would've thought they will target Vshoujo audiences instead.

>>3601956
>>3602003
yeah that day youtube was fucking up so she changed to twitch

>>3601961
You bet they're gonna be

>>3601750
>Hisupi and her pushing collab with male and picked a fight with seisofag
>Hoshikawa and that sticker. Also same reason with Hisupi
>Meiro vs Roa menhera catfight.
>Utako fighting with viewers over BL.
>Kuzuha /Rindou scandal make Junfag (Japanese Pewdiepie) and Fujo/Yumejoshi seeth.

>>3601849
Then don't reply to bait then retard. It's annoying to see obvious bait threads/posts get attention.
Ignore and filter tribalist rratoids.

>>3601888
It's a good move, means they know what type of content their streamers are going to put out. I called it when I said VShojo and NijiEN are going to fight for the same audience.

>>3602043
his profiles still say twitch founding team so he is still on the scene.

>>3601917
rrat

>>3602051
Don't forget Narufaggot

>>3601847
You can save several VODs indefinitely kinda like how YouTube's premieres work.

>>3602020
I'd take youtube's fucking AI moderation over the fucking anime hating pedophile furry degenerates that deserve the gas chambers running twitch any day.

>>3601961
>twitch streamer
>not a lets just watch this randome youtube video every 30 minutes
is the laziest content but they live by it.Also a copystrike waiting to happen.

>>3601943
Quite the opposite, if you're a small indie (which Niji isn't) then Twitch is much better for discoverability than Youtube due to raids alone.

>>3602056
If NijiEN are as degen as their JP branch they will win over vshoujo fags in no time

ah yes this is what I'm waiting for more twitch drama and cancel cuture.

>>3602051
It's actually the female fans of male streamers who get mad at hisupi since she speaks too causally with her senpais and doesn't even bother using honorifics

>>3602091
>raids
Can't wait for NijiEN audience to be 100 times more cancerous than cumbuds.

>>3602091
but you need to leech of big names
if you dont get areally big name those raids are useless most of the time.

>>3602020
consider that most HoloEN viewers watch VODs instead of live, I'd say Youtube was a good idea

>>3601236
The problem with streaming on twitch is Korean Vtuber, Vshojo, and several Indies have strong foothold established since last year.
In fact it's really a bad decision they didn't put their KR branch on twitch.

>>3601236
>gonna be one of those things that just exist for the sake of formality but will never be used

>>3602095
In case you haven't noticed already the Vtuber scene has and always will be full of drama. Hololive is no exception to the rule. Where you have human entertainment you have human mistakes and drama as a result of that.

>>3601928
Based. The great alliance against western thot.

>>3602095
will I see them on LSF soon?

>>3601943
YouTube is horrible for small channels. It props some channels/videos like crazy but 99% of others gather dust. Twitch is more flexible on that part and it's recommended section is more responsive.

>>3602061
He's FOUNDER of Twitch but is currently not working for them, retard.
He was one of people that created it, but is not part of it right now.
Tho probably his connections are useful for V-Shojo from business and paperwork side.

>>3602128
>where you have women and troons
Fixed that for you.

>>3602091
I dunno YouTube search is actually good at finding content. I've found plenty of small vtubers on there searching for some cover or specific game with vtuber after it but if you are buried at the bottom of twitch you're never going to be seen off your own back without someone else doing it for you.

>>3602146
Funny you say that because the potential NijiEN people are the most worried about is a male.

>>3601975
Is this another rrats? Please be a joke.

Does niji need permission for games if they stream on twitch? They are still a big company based on jp.

>>3602141
>He was one of people that created it, but is not part of it right now
>Tho probably his connections are useful
thats the point
twitch wont care about niji

>>3602158
What?

>>3601847
Affiliates and partners can actually upload videos, but almost nobody uses the feature. Sakura Miko actually did so back when she made her channel.
https://www.twitch.tv/sakuramiko_hololive/videos?filter=uploads&sort=time

>>3602158
?

>>3602180
Niji collab'd with VShoujo though, so I assume GunRun will be pulling strings to help the NijiEN

That or VShoujo will be raiding NijiEN and vice versa

>>3602129
Based. If retards can be properly wrangled on both sides you can convince many Holo EN fans on this board to watch Niji. I'll make it a point to watch all their streams just to help displace the whoretubers on their own turf.

>>3602177
they wont risk it, in fact is a shitshot waiting to happen if they get a cmopany to tell twitch "hey what is up with your site that allows this"
since they only do manual revisions rather than automated.

>>3602153
>you're never going to be seen off your own back
You're never going to be clicked on anyways if you have 0 views and nobody to shill you. You don't go into this kind of thing without networking.

>>3602206
>I assume GunRun will be pulling strings to help the NijiEN
they win nothing of it, they collabed with Nji because kizaun was there.

>>3602129
Through dick, unity

>>3602191
>>3602193
Sorry misquote, I mean this one >>3601902
Is this real? Please be a joke.

>>3602230
I mean, they will obv

What better way to get more eyes on your talents than collabing with the 2nd most popular VTuber group right now? VShoujo collabing with Niji will boost them, and Vshoujo can also help NijiEN get their foot into Twitch. It's a win-win

>>3601236
a fair number of Niji livers across all branches have Twitch accounts, there are a handful that have been specifically using it to get potential overseas viewers attention along with an uptick in EOP pandering streams. it makes sense to reserve it in case they want to simulcast to or host events on Twitch.
>>3601629
I doubt the EN branch will use it as their main platform; KR doesn't use Twitch or that one Korean live streaming site as their main platform despite that face that 90% of Korean streamers are there instead of Youtube. similarly with the ID and was the case with IN

>>3602269
Miamoto was saved by Subaru so it's not a rrat, others i have no idea

>>3602281
>2nd most popular VTuber group right now?
becasue no one knows them in the west.
only niji will win becasue vshouojo actually has a foothold on twitch. Kizuna is at least know by name on the west ev en if people dont watch her anymore.

>>3602287
Noraneko said it in her 3D reveal

>>3602311
You're saying it like Vshojo doesn't collab with tons of vtubers outside of their company.

>>3602125
Cover was looking into KR and IN branches but stopped after seeing Niji fail to penetrate those domestic markets.

>>3602311
the name nijisanji is bigger than vshojo as a brand if you look at both on worldwide for google trends

>>3602333
It's interesting that Cover (rightfully) evaluates how the competition is doing. Makes me wonder if they'll go for a HolostarsEN if the male NijiEN talent does well.

>>3601687
I don't think success is what people here are worried about.
They probably went full schizo about it because Twitch culture is honestly pretty fucking terrible, and they just don't want any of that poggers and lul bullshit.

>>3602282
This is what boggles my mind, why isn't nijikr streaming at their biggest korean streaming site afreecatv where lots of korean viewers reside?

>>3602345
im sure the other nijiEn thread has the graphs and shows vshoujo being more popular on the west.
>>3602332
im saying they arent gonna help shit or have the owner help them with twitch to make deals. if they collab it will be out of the talents own will of they make friends with them.

>>3601902
>Noraneko
Redpill me on this, i need to know how you could hate this based cat

>>3602356
that site looks really dead? checking it now the biggest stream is at 134 viewers

>>3602356
imo it's hard to get a foothold in the Korean market as the female streamer space has already been dominated by girls doing borderline softcore porn.

>>3601888
I feel like that's trying to take a piece of a fairly small pie. Nyanners, the top dog of Twitch Vtubers, gets like 6k for her normal streams. Zena and Froot get like 3k. Moderately well-known Vshoujo-adjacent streamers like Haruka Karibu and Bao are regularly under 1k. Would numbers like that be considered successful for Niji EN? 3k for their best performer and 600-2k for the rest of the lot?

>>3602180
>twitch wont care about niji
they would if they know nijisanji is popular among japanese streamers, the top japanese streamers on twitch all collabed with niji at some point, and I know for sure Twitch wants those japanese sweet's views

>>3602356
That site looks kind of dead? Only 130 viewers on the biggest stream right now.

Bet someone from the nijiEN members talked to them into using twitch as a platform

>>3601928
>>3602129
>>3602207
VShojo is a lightning rod for the worst type of vtuber fans. Hololive fans don't want them gone, they want them to stay away from their chuubas.

>>3602352
They will probably do holoes first than holostars en.

>>3602287
True but Maimoto wasn't flamed into quitting, he was just losing motivation

>>3602395
Holos had this numbers for a year and were fine.

>>3602352
The only way any males will get into Holostars at this point will be through nepotism. Hololive is MUCH bigger than they used to be when the last Holostars gen debuted, so they're much more at risk of dudes who want to join only so they can get closer to the female talents.

>>3602374
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=nijisanji,vshojo
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=nijisanji,vshojo

>not knowing that NijiEN is going to pull every little underhanded shit tactic they can to get a foothold
Expect vshoujo collabs within a month

>>3602395
Niji makes a lot of their revenue from merch so it's hard to say what view numbers would be considered successful

>>3602396
but this is NijiEN not NijiJp

>>3602407
It does have decent viewers if you are popular or events, i watch starcraft pros stream there. The ui is shit though.

>>3602460
niji worldwide seach is inflated with japanese resut

>>3602410
I mean why not, on youtube they have to compete against the rest of nijisanji, hololive, and the legions of indies.

Biggest competitors on twitch is vshojo and they could easily buddy up, and the nature of twitch means faster monetization

>>3601489
Ai's tech remains peerless

>>3602380
prime times still a few hours away

>>3602380
>>3602407
seems like a region lock, change language to KR to see more streams

>>3602352
It would be tempting to. They seem like they really want Holostars to be a thing even though it probably barely breaks even financially.

>>3602471
In what world is this an "underhanded shit tactic?"
Hololive has an idol image to protect; Nijisanji is just a streamer group.

>>3602499
Not by a lot, it's a query and not a topic and Japanese search in kana.

>>3602460
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=nijisanji,vshojo,Nyanners,Project%20melody,Ironmouse

>>3602460
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=nijisanji,Nyanners

>>3602499
I anticipated that, hence why I linked just the US where the Nijisanji line is almost always still above the vshojo one. The brand itself vshojo is less well known than the streamers themselves.

>>3602521
Nah, Stars are still more successful than smaller agencies and those get by fine.

>>3602533
>https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=nijisanji,vshojo,Nyanners,Project%20melody,Ironmouse
niji really came late to the party

>>3602471
Retardchama thats not underhanded at all, VShojo wants recognition and NijiEN wants viewers its mutually beneficial.

>>3602490
If they can make a network with niji, they can bring in the niji's japanese fanbase with some exclusive events stream

>>3602388
Yea i agree, the korean audience for chuubas is just too small, koreans rather watch pretty girls streaming. I did see some koreans in aqua and nene chats, may the korean chuubas audience is undergoing a small boom due to holo just like the russian audience.

>>3602550
>>3602533
Not really sure how these are relevant. I was saying the Nijisanji name is bigger than vshojo.

>>3602521
>it probably barely breaks even financially
Holostars only looks like a failure because they're in the same company as the most wildly successful vtuber group on Earth. If you look at them in the grand scheme of vtubing as a whole they're doing quite fine, and I sincerely doubt that they have that many operating costs after their models and rigs have been paid for.

>>3602460
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=Nyanners,Pekora,Kuzuha

>>3602345
>Japan and seaniggers
kusa

>>3602395
>Nyanners, the top dog of Twitch Vtubers, gets like 6k for her normal streams
Really?! That turns Miko bringing her 35p to Twitch into a fucking power move
>>3602311
>>3602345
>Kizuna
I think the Kizuna collab was a good move on VShojo's part. Kizuna might not be at her height but she does lend legitimacy to Vshojo. Weebs can't look down on VShojo for not being made in Japan when KIZUNA FUCKING AI recognizes them as chuubas

>>3602594
Nijijp viewers don't even watch their own members, expecting them to watch vshojo is futile lol.

>>3602628
>most of vtuber fanbases are SEAnigger
may be you're a seanigger as well
kusa

>>3602633
>Really?! That turns Miko bringing her 35p to Twitch into a fucking power move
Didn't Miko get like 15k viewers when she streamed Minecraft on Twitch because Youtube was going to shit that one time?

>>3602628
But it gets more searches in the US too
>>3602460

>>3602628
Kek
How can we recover nijibros

>>3602633
Miko on Twitch is sort of a novelty. 6k is for Nyanners normal run-of-the-mill streams, she spikes a lot higher for big events and generally more interesting content.

>>3602355
>Twitch culture is honestly pretty fucking terrible.

Look at every fucking big Hololive stream, there's no such thing as culture. You have bunch of idiots screeching at each other in chat while streamer is pretending that they read this fucking mess.
It's not Twitch culture vs YT Culture, it's just big streams will by default have fucking cancerous viewers.
On the other hand smaller streams are pretty nice to watch and experience on both platforms equally. Tho Twitch has few quirks allowing for more streamer-chat and chat-chat interractions. YT on the other hand has less cancerous staff.

I watch Hololive every day for like 8 months, I don't think I've typed it into google search except when I want to quickly see their roster on the VirtualYoutuber wiki. I've done the same for Vshoujo and Niji enven though I don't actually watch either of those. Search results seems like a really dodgy metric.

>>3602628
>zhangs and seaniggers
OH NO NO NO WESTERNBROS

>tribalfags already here
pain

>>3602719
The just applies to everyone so the end result is somewhat comparable between terms.

>>3602628
This explained their viewers mental illness too, look what they keep bring up when someone talking about them

>>3602727
>Holo conquered the entire asia besides japan and dominated the west
Sasuga

>>3602727
Holo actually blow up first on china, taiwan and hongkong before becoming viral for other western countries in 2019. Holo actually manage to penetrated mainstream audience after the coco yab with the help of mainstream news site on taiwan.

>>3602727
what country is that next to africa that has color in the middle east?

>>3602819
Saudia Arabia

>>3601236
>Nijisanji was Twitch all along
Niji riggers on suicide watch

>>3602819
Saudi Arabia?

>>3602819
do mutts really?

>>3602655
kek holoseanigger

>>3602850
I remember reading that Saudi Arabia was one of the countries that bought Mori's music the most. What kind of Arab oil princes watch Hololive, I wonder.

>>3602655
OH NO NO NO HOLOBROS, OUR FANBASE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WHTE

>>3602154
who exactly?

>discuss how nijisanji vs vshoujo and other chubba on twitch
>google search show only niji and ENvtubers on twitch
>fucking holo are seaniggers reeeeeeee
?
??

>>3602819
Israel

>>3602913
Kind of feel like it might be the same person posting both of those images everytime because one always comes shortly after the over.

>>3602912
Hazard Hornet, annoying whiny faggot and possible tripfag. Had a graduation around when all the other candidates did.

If there are so many seaniggers
Why nobody watch HoloID?

>>3602819

Middle East
- upper one is T\urkey
- lower one is Saudi Arabia

The only colored one in Africa is South Africa

>>3602958
I do

>>3602876
And I thought it was only happening to Rushia

>>3602958
I do, I also want to fuck Risu

>>3602958
SEAniggers hate each other openly. It's the best place to be in if you're really into racism.

>>3602125
can poo girls be cute?

>>3603030
I thought they would support their people?
Like seaniggers K-POP stars

>>3603065
If you could stomach her accent Noor was pretty cute

>>3602876
Saudis spend a lot of their oil money on really dumb shit. There's a lot of pay-to-win mobile games (Clash of Clans type shit) that are dominated by Saudis because they just spend endlessly to be on top.

>>3601236
Kanae and Hayama are already on Twitch. Hayama just started actually. A good number of roommates (yes holo too) are on twitch.

>>3601813
No one cares enough to enforce that bullshit.

>>3601813
>You cannot post the same content on other platform for i think 48h? You're fine doing content on YT, it's just that you cannot post VODs immediately there and multi-platform streaming is no-no.
oh no, the hecking clipperinos

>twitch
absolute garbage, the average viewer there is 200 times more retarded

>>3602934
Wasn't that the boring robosuit guy? Or am I thinking of someone else?

>>3603152
Pot, meet kettle.

>>3601394
There's no problem with vshojo x niji collab.

>>3603200
I'd actually prefer that over holo's. To keep vwhores away that is.

>>3603152
>4chan
absolute garbage, the average poster there is 200 times more retarded

>>3603271
I blame 2016.

>>3602958
Not sure if it is the same case with sea, but when holo dominated china, you ask the bilibili audience why they rather watch holo than their own country chuubas, they will answer i like sakura girls more cause our own chuubas are dirty (offpako) and full of dramas.

>>3603294
Yeah, because JP chuubas are completely clean.

Grass is greener on the other side, I guess.

>>3601410
there is some ironic normie weeb market on tiktok similar to what hololive already has. It's important to know that Sara and Akane both already have tiktoks and have uploaded on the site.

>>3601427
pretty much everyone does, tiktok humor is so fucking garbage but every zoomer is on the site.


>>3601492
Twitch has built in sponsorship deals that streamers can do like watching game and movie trailers infront of their audience or play 1 hour of a videogame. Mizkif earned $40,000 just from twitch bounties in a single month. https://livestreamfails.com/post/102475

>>3601689
that was probably just her making sure that she wasn't breaking anything in her contract in regards to monetization. the poor girl probably had no clue if twitch had some partnership program or if you'd immediately be monetized within streaming.

>>3601702
probably restream big events like concerts and stuff on both youtube and twitch.

>>3601830
what's most likely going to happen is any twitch streamers from nijisanji are probably going to upload daily or weekly videos onto a youtube channel and put all of their VODs on a youtube channel too.

>>3601847
You can but literally no one does, it's a dead part of the website that not even the minecraft kiddies use.

>>3601888
you're correct, nijisanji are supposed to be livestreamers not idols so them having a presence on the biggest english speaking livestreaming website just makes sense.

>>3601924
>>3601993
I would honestly prefer to work with a person over ban appeals than an AI even if that person is a fucking insane human being I could still try to appease their ego.

>>3601943
1,000-2,000 viewers is that spot on twitch where viewers will click on your channel simply because you're somewhere near the top of whatever game you're streaming.

>>3601953
>>3602022
Amazon has been ok twitch with running on a loss simply because the website sells amazon prime memberships to the 18-35 year old demographic. people like ninja and xqc have convinced so many college and highschool kids to buy an Amazon prime membership just from shilling out twitch prime.

>>3601961
There's no way they could be react streamers unless it's some sponsored event.

>>3602119
The KR branch regularly does stream on twitch.

>>3602132
probably not, you need to do LSF reaction to get your viewers to post you on their like xqc does and too many streamers play too many different types of games that they don't have permissions for to show on stream.

>>3602598
I think the Koreans can get behind a chuuba if they're super good at LoL. get someone who's masters or maybe even diamond with a combination of good personality and model and put them on twitch and I think they could build a mainly Korean audience.

>>3603116
Rin and pretty much all of nijiKR is on twitch too.

>>3603323
Jesas take your meds

>>3603030
From the outside it would seem that every SEA hates each other but from the inside, everybody just hates Flipniggers more

>>3603323
I saw Korean vtuber has strong presence on Twitch like MoonAroma and his circle.
Is NijiKR number close to them?

>>3603343
never

>>3601687
This. That's why Niji EN should focus more on streaming in BiliBili!

>Thought?

>>3603387
I know Roha recently did an English collab stream with him, I'm not sure about the rest as I kinda just started watching them since the pirate's debut https://youtube.com/watch?v=qgKC66nloeQ

>>3603437
Yeah but I'm asking about their numbers such as Live viewer wise. Is it close to them?

>>3601236
If miko were to stream gtav online on twitch. Do you guys think she can mog the vshoujo?

>>3603436
Fucking cattle.

>>3603030
this board is their selfhating projection place

>>3603465
She could but that would just pissed off Youtube

>>3603465
Easily, Miko already mogs 4 of the ENs too

>>3603310
Jp chuubas keep their conflicts behind the scenes, back in the days chinese streamers are super toxic against each other. They will sent their own fanbases to harass and spam other rival streamers, serious cases include dox and physical harass. Twitch drama honestly feels like kids play when you see chinese streamers drama.

>>3603461
Oh no, I don't think so. I think moona gets around like 1,000-3,000 viewers right? most of the nijiKR members are around 80-200 depending on what they stream with the exception of Bora nun who gets like 5,000.

>>3603465
Didn't she already do that or I'm trippin

>>3601813
You can post the same content just fine, it's streaming exclusivity, not content exclusivity. That's why even a bunch of twitch streamers can use youtube as an archive and immediately export their streams without issue.

>>3603483
Robots don't get pissed off

>>3603323
did you respond to enough posts?

>>3603310
Holo girls don't smell like cum and they're indeed drama free if you're talking about drama between members, which is the only kind of drama that matters.

>>3603436
So this is what Sora and Botan announced

>>3603582
welcome to my blog.

>>3603532
I thought she only do watchalong in there and one or two Minecraft stream because youtube was fucking up at some point. I don’t remember her steaming gtav on twitch, she does it on YouTube. It would legendary as hell if she beats xqx what his name in views.

>>3603436
meet and fuck event for fans?

>>3603436
mel...

>>3603436
What is this? Why is yhrrr so much of a different in price between some of the members?

>>3601236
This actually wouldn't be a terrible idea for them. They have pretty much a 0% chance of competing directly with hololiveEN on youtube so operating on a totally different platform would benefit them.

>>3601236
So are they going to use Nijisanji_World as their main twitter account for EN? The twitch account links there.

>>3603294
Chink bros why did you let nationalism get in the way of your love for Hololive.

>>3603616
Xqc averages 120k people on his streams, beating him would be a fever dream.

>>3603616
>beats xqc
Never ever. Maybe once if she does a outfit reveal stream, but she'll never be able to beat him consistently or even on a normal stream. Same as someone like Ludwig. People overestimate how big vtubers actually are.

>>3603669
Loyalty to one countries above that of females is an admirable quality

>>3603669
they realized holobitch is just chink woman without knowing chinese

>>3603695
Which is why I said it would be legendary, don’t watch the dude but I seriously doubt he is more entertaining than miko especially at gtav online.

>>3603727
They're the same type of entertainment: Loud screeching retard.

>>3603719
Loyal enough to constantly break your country’s law, yeah they are so admirable.

>>3603753
Funny that mutts care more about Chinese VPN laws than CCP lol

>>3603635
TCG cards. I assume prices for singles

>>3603753
You can't even read chinese, do you fancy yourself their legal expert?

>>3603714
Never say never, Ludwig himself was a fucking nobody just 2 years ago and he fucking exploded.

>>3603770
At least American are not butthurt over one fucking word for over 6 months. Look at miko and maybe you can learn a thing or two from American. Sure some American are mental but they are no where compare with your chinks ass’ level.

>>3603833
Ludwig also speaks english

>>3603695
>Xqc averages 120k people on his streams
What the fuck. Last time I checked his stream, which was admittingly years ago, he was usually sitting at 5-10k. What made him take off so hard?

>>3603814
Last I check, YouTube is ban in China so tell me more about Chinks’ law, mister chinks expert.

>>3603669
Serious answer, holo got too popular and attracted the malicious group called the 乐子人 meaning people who are bored looking for fun. They are a group of people who find any little mistake on someone and then raid and harass people online. The culture and habit of creating drama, harassing, slandering and spamming someone is deeply ingrained in them. The coco incident is a mixture of them and nationalist group putting everything on flames. It is better for holo to leave china even without coco yab, they will get into trouble sooner or later.

>>3603839
Twitch helped live streaming explode in the west, and thus people like Ninja emerged, who had like almost 200k live viewers consistently at his highest point, IIRC.

So when is the announcement?

And where is the announcement?

>>3603839
Probably the same shit that happened to hololive to make it rise from a literal who company.

>>3603839
The guy does back to back 24 hour streams by accident, which lets him stream everything that's popular all in a single day. https://twitchtracker.com/xqcow sort it by 3 months and compare it to some of the other big streamers on that platform, the guy literally does not sleep.

>>3603909
2 hours, on reddit.

>>3603864
Thanks for explanation zhangchama

>>3603926
I imagine if its anything big it will be on twitter as well and the reddit stuff so far is kind of pre-hype

>>3603861
Youtube is banned in china, doesn't mean that the people are banned from watching it, much less being thrown into jail for it. Do you understand this far, or do I need to explain ut word per word?
Of course if you think watching youtube is still a punishable offense in China I'm sure you can provide the exact law that states so.

>>3603834
hmmm I wonder what would happen if some of the EN members were to say nigger without immediately apologizing afterwards. Surely they don't go mad over one word, right?

>>3604013
The fuck kind of logic is that, so CP is banned in China but the people are not banned from watching it? What the fuck it the point of banning it then? If your government banned something it means they don’t want you to have it. As for the exact law in China, sorry but I am not a chink so I don’t know them, all I know it that if the government banned something, going against that technically mean you are breaking the law.

>>3603719
Except their country was never being threatened in any way. Guess what, you can be a Chinese Nationalist and still like Hololive, because Hololive and it's members don't have an anti China agenda. The idea that they have to choose between Hololive or their country is just a meme. In essence it was never about being pro or anti China, it's about being pro or anti retardation.

Thread about nijien and the discussion is somehow about china and hololive?

>>3604043
Context matter, the En girls know the meaning of the word and it significant, miko didn’t because she is Japanese same with coco, coco is not Chinese, expecting her to be aware of taboo from every country is retarded.

>>3604149
Kind of like you can't kill other people but can kill yourself or I don't know.

>>3604149
That's legal logic anon, a certain business being blacklisted from your country simply means that they're not allowed to do business in your country.

>>3604149
You'll only be punished if you get caught doing it. Anyway, it's impossible to try banning certain somethings in the world. People would find loopholes in it no matter what and in this case, VPNs.

>>3604149
It means, Google is not allowed to do their business and make profit in China. That's it. There's no rules about their citizen using any means to watch it.

>>3604178
because it's what /vt/ does

>>3604178
holotard is the new bronies. pls understand

>>3604149
>The fuck kind of logic is that, so CP is banned in China but the people are not banned from watching it?
literally how CP laws work all around the globe, otherwise a single anon could get a whole thread v&

>>3603864
It's like Hololive got shot in the leg but unknowingly escaped a landmine ahead.

>>3604228
The point I am making is that it would still be consider as break the law.

>>3604222
I get the temptation to compare hololive to nijisanji when it's your main point of reference but what did or didn't happen in china with hololive is completely unrelated.

>>3602355
Is Miko's stream on twitch full of poggers and lul?

>>3604149
Youtube isn't banned so much as just been refused as business licence.

>>3603323
>nijisanji are supposed to be livestreamers not idols
Someone forgot to tell Uiha
https://youtu.be/J9J4RVdnKWc

>>3604255
No. Youtube trying to do business in China is breaking the law, China's private citizen watching it doesn't necessarily break it too unless stated otherwise.

>>3601236
that TikTok account is the real yab

>>3604338
Imagine if holoEN was allowed to use TikTok

I'd approve of it if I can get Amelia Shorts

>>3604149
Just think of it as alcohol during prohibition era in the US. Alcoholic beverages' production, sale, and transport across state lines is illegal. However private ownership and consumption is legal. So they can't jail you just because you have booze in your house, unless it was clear you made it. Laws are retarded like that. Why do you think Lawyers are expensive as hell?

>>3604178
That's what happen whenever someone brings up Coco. Bear with it bro.

>>3603839
After he got kicked out of the OW pro scene for being toxic kek that got him a sizeable audience, then he ditched OW to become a full blown twitch streamer. His dedication to streaming paid off, he went from 60k live viewers last year to 135k fucking around in gta. The pandemic boost is no joke.

>>3601427
TikTok may get a ton of views, but it's tough to get them off of the platform.

>>3604365
They can do that on youtube tho. #shorts

>>3604365
Matsuri has a TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@natsuiromatsuri0?)), so why wouldn't the EN's be allowed to have one?

>>3604453
I'm only thankful that he serves as a quarantine for the worst of the twitch chat users.

>>3603839
He got a huge audience because he got kicked out of pro overwatch for calling another player a faggot. Then it turned out he had more viewers than the entire overwatch category combined which made more and more people watch him for the meme. This got him randos not interested in overwatch to watch him.
The entire thing is fucking hilarious because he BTFO'd blizzard.

>>3603323
meds

So when will their branch debut? That's all I want to know.

>>3604513
https://www.tiktok.com/@natsuiromatsuri0/video/6592932475012386049
holy cute, which dialect is this?

>>3604579
Announcement in a little bit over three hours

>>3604602
Thanks bro

ITT: Hololive fans about to go through the same arc /wvt/ did 4 months ago of Twitch Vs. Youtube as platforms for growth and better usability as a livestreaming service. Once you drop the retarded "Vshoujou on Twitch westerners use Twitch IT BAD SITE BAD SCARY CULTURE" meme and start realizing how much better instant chat interaction, raids, sub gifting, redeems and globally usable sub emotes are most of you will see the light too

>>3604178
Timeloops about china and random twitch streamers get more discussion than NijiEN, I'm feeling good about NijiEN.

>>3604639
You wish.
Remember, they are a company that got big on youtube. Also, do you think Japanese corporation want to deal with this shit? >>3601539

I'd like to believe that they have a concise plan for their EN branch but chances are they might just be lost and shooting in every direction hoping they can hit something big by chance

>>3601975
Current Niji fanbase doesn't have that sort of box loyalty, they won't watch EN, even for debut. That said twitch isn't exactly a good choice either, as the community there generally hates weeb stuff. Expect the chat to be heavily trolled without good mod support.

>>3604585
Sounds like Osaka ben

>>3604639
I remember all those youtube vs twitch threads, it basically came down to who do you want to get fucked by? Susan's AI or biased Twitch admins.

>>3602395
Nyanners has inclined according to numa. Seems her normal numbers now is around 9k, though it might just be the aftereffects of the concert and decline again.

>>3604724
I’ve never been fond of twitch but from a technological standpoint they obviously have a slight edge in live streaming - at least in terms of know-how. YouTube had to go through several iterations and major architectural changes to get it to a usable state.

>>3603616
fuck off. xqc is a 35p

>>3604724
Well I just finished Deus Ex, so I'd choose pajeet spaghetti code over power tripping mods on twitch.

>>3604805
holy based

>>3604212
>implying

Google has a shit ton of offices in China anonchama.

>>3601539
Being partnered means they own your likeness? Jesus
They take 90% of Ad revenue. No wonder they shove ads down your throat.

>>3604788
And even after all of that, its still a barely usable mess of a platform for livestreaming. Chat delay is horrendous, the chatbox itself lags the whole site, its even worse when you try to use emotes, and the layout is trash for chatting and watching in unison unless you pop the chat out and put it on a second screen. Not even to mention the constant disconnects for no apparent reason when the whole livestreaming side of the site decides to shit itself. I am so much happier on Twitch now because I have 1/10th of the problems with the platform and dozens of advantages on top of all those issues being cleared up
t. Indie Vtuber

I choose youtube ai over twitch mods, say if a holo was doing apex viewer participation stream and some viewer is racist on stream, you can actually get banned for that too.

>>3602598
Actually saw an akasupa in korean won in miko's chat some timeback. That shit surprised the hell out of me.

>>3604805
I know he is a weeb but... Is this true lmao

>>3601539
Damn if that's true, that makes twitch pretty fucked up man...

>>3604805
Mikochi rules

>>3604805
Fake

>>3604805
>its real

>>3604273
Miko is 24/7 subscriber only mode. Not a good comparison.

>>3605443
Paid subscription or just follow? Cause pretty much everyone has the latter.

>>3604805
>famous twitch person does some twitch thing on a less famous twitch person
we sure this isn't just leeching?

>>3604805
You do realize that's probably a gifted sub right?

>>3604639
Having watched on youtube since covid and using twitch before that, Twitch is the better streaming service, ignoring moderation policies (I dont know how they are these days). This isn't surprising, it was made for it. JP 35P also agreed when they experienced playing minecraft on twitch. Problem is the main JP audience is on Youtube, so moving to twitch isn't feasible.

>>3605616
Honestly the biggest difference is how much better Twitch's encoding is compared to YT streams

>>3605459
paid. Since she mainly does watchalongs most use the prime sub for it.

>>3605670
>>3605616
I'm more worried about viewerbase. I heard Twitchfag are more hostile toward weeb thing and generally more SJW. And most weeb in Twitch support Vshoujo anyway.

Bros no update today,its delayed again..

>>3605881
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/nao3an/announcing_the_debut_of_nijisanji_ens_first_ever/
here

>>3605941
i am not a fan of those designs

>>3605941
fucking idiots here thinking there'd be a male in the group

>>3605941
>big Pomu energy
>no energy

>>3606213
should've swapped her and the fish 'n chips

>>3605762
You are hearing narratives and clickbait anecdotes. The average annoying twitchnigger is no worse than the people that stumble into YouTube chats. ("MY FAMILY JUST DIED LETS GOOOOO" is universal) Shitters are shitters no matter the platform, and if they pop up you just ban them and move on. Moderation exists for a reason.

How long until HoloEN Gen2 debuts?

Twitch is the smartest move for them
Nijisanji is really not well known at all in the west, on twitch they'll get a ton of exposure through raids and collabs with Vshojo and the bigger EN indies, they'll be invited to stuff like Twitch Rivals, get to network easily with the plethora of smaller indies, appear on podcasts like Codemiko's, have clips of them breaking down in happy tears over hype trains, etc
It's better for them to be on the platform where their biggest competitor will help them grow rather than be on youtube and have half their audience vanish the second gura goes live

>>3607066
This is incredibly true. Their biggest asset can be the sense of community they can create within the network of other conpanies and indies. Hololive is a closed loop, they are an island out at sea who fires heatseeker missiles at anyone who tries to get close. An isolationist state that feels sterile and corperate. Niji bucking that trend and feeling like an open family that collaborates across the sphere could endear them to the west in ways that Cover seems incredibly reluctant to do, whether it be due to the idol culture they have trapped the brand within, xenophobia from middle management, or just straight up standard corperate roadblocks put up by middle aged out-of-touch executives

>>3607626
ogey

>>3601849
You should check out the actual good western vtubers who are on the board starting from /koopa/ , /nina/ and /africat/ sections.

>>3601236
Based, Twitch is vastly superior to Youtube, youtube is only a thing among vtubers because Japaneses didn't know about Twitch and moved from niconico to youtube initially and got used ot it.
I had little hope in Niji but if they start as strong as this maybe there's a chance.

>>3602352
this didnt age well

>>3601920
Just stream to .... both pipes? surely they can't claim the content, even if its not monetized, whats there to lose?

this will actually force youtube to do something or they will lose all that SCs