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Seeing a 3d debut not even hitting 50k after a bunch of outfits got a minimum of 70k just feels weird. Does anyone have a table of all Niji 3d and outfit debut viewerships since last year (or at least after the youtube bug hit)?

>>3499591
Kanatan seems to be inclining as of late

>>3499591
Uhhhhhh nijibros?

>>3499591
so much fucking apex

Speaking of youtube bug shenanigans, it seems Aqua's 3D had HoloEN levels of live viewership hiding today. A lot of chinese-vpns must have came to watch her.

>>3499591
Nijibros, Nijikiller is back!

>>3499807
It's as if Hololive is way more popular outside of Japan so it gets more views. It's really obvious.

>>3500004
That number is of views at the end is never accurate. Stop using it to try and show anything.

>>3499591
Nijibros...when will we finally get our coveted 200k viewers stream?

>>3500004
Stfu chumbuds, no one believes vod aside from retards like you

>>3500706
rrats thread is this way >>3460303

>>3499807
It's always varied quite a bit for them depending on a lot of factors, popularity of the member, timing, guests, if there is some particular reason to be hyped for that person being in 3D and so on. And most of the bigger members are done now. Fuwa should be due his fairly soon I could see that getting good viewer numbers allthough its not a true debut as people will have seen it already at Nijifes so that might depress it a bit.

>>3499591
Holy shit. I know Niji is not that popular but damn that's just sad to see

>>3500998
I mean that is the same number that says Gura had 39k views at the end of her debut stream with 80k live viewers.

>>3500004
Your shark is declining, just get over it.

>>3500711
baseball seasons approaching again

>>3500998
Got it slightly wrong
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/dBK0gKW61NU
34k views at the end of a stream with 80k live viewers. Youtube itself says that it may take hours after a video is published to reflect the true number as they verify if views are legitimate.

>>3501038
>which only happened on early september last year, and you can clearly see hiyoko fixing those up a few days into the same month

>>3501201
It's nothing to do with hiyoko. These are accurate to the numbers youtube shows.

>>3501133
>>3501201
keep checking that archive and you'll see the bug quickly got fixed in a few days at the same month

>>3499591
I am just happy for Mio

>>3501231
It's not a bug. It's a feature of youtube.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/ZUW6CcY-Yf0

>>3499591
>stop falling for bait

Numberfagging posts are all bait.

>get nearly 20k live viewers while having less than 95k subs
I think Reid won this time.

>>3500004
Nijiniggers can't win even with the youtube bug on their side.
Is the "views aren't accurate at the end of the stream" their new cope?

>>3501358
Nothing is accurate but merch. There is no way to check those numbers though, so youll have to trust my headcannon instead.

>>3501358
It has nothing to do with sides, its about the metric not being an accurate reflection of the actual views.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/uNWPUyAxOKo
It happens to both Nijisanji and Hololive streams.

>>3501424
>still nearly an year ago
why dont you try showing a recent event instead?

>>3501468
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2991785?hl=en
Seriously just read this page it explains how it works. Short streams, with much higher viewership than normal, on channels with low sub counts seem to trigger it to take ages to count. Hence why popular debuts and 3d streams on channels that haven't had any big streams before that often end up in this position.

>>3501620
>short streams, with much higher viewership than normal, on channels with low sub counts seem to trigger it to take ages to count. Hence why popular debuts and 3d streams on channels that haven't had any big streams before that often end up in this position.
that page doesnt actually say any of this.

>>3501796
I didn't say the page said that? It clearly says though that it might take hours for your metrics to show properly after a video is added to their system and that the correct numbers may not show while their system is taking time to do this. And that things like channel and video popularity play a role in it.

So taking a look at the streams that I have linked which were effected by this. They are all 3d debuts streams, with much higher numbers than were normal for that channel, on channels with relatively low subs compared to the number of views, that lasted only an hour. All of those things seem like they would be red flags for an algorithm looking for legitimate engagement and the short length of the streams is giving it less time to count which views are legitimate or not by the time it ends.

>>3499807
I mean, Utako 3D debut got Roberu's numbers.
Remember Nijis' roster is bigger than Hololive. Bellow their top ones there are a lot of who? compared to Holo.
...yet Utako's 3D is way better than Roberu.

Aqua's live made $24,463 unless playboard updates it again, I wonder how that compares to the ticket revenue from last year's

>>3502058
That wasn't a 3D debut, it was slight quality upgrades to the existing model she has had for ages.

>>3501946
>it clearly says that [my headcannon is true]
>"It MAY take time", [due to a number of variables we will not elaborate on]
they keep it vague on purpose, anonchama, so nobody can be sure what to complain to them about, all the rest is inside your head.

>>3502202
So its a metric with multiple provable examples of being inaccurate that youtube itself says may be inaccurate for hours after a video is publlished. Regardless of what you think of my ideas as to why certain videos happen to trigger it or not I can't see how you can say its a good metric to use. The company itself says it may not be accurate and there are multiple examples of it not being accurate.

>>3502136
doesnt matter, the 3D clickbait was still there

>>3502310
>multiple provable examples
all an year old, you're still stalling on that recent example I asked for

>>3502202
Wait none of that shit I said is headcanon its literally right there.
>it might take hours for your metrics to show properly
Note: It may take time for your metrics to appear in our system during the first few hours your video is published.
>the correct numbers may not show while their system is taking time to do this. And that things like channel and video popularity play a role in it.
On some videos and channels, your metric count might seem frozen or not show the metrics that you expect. Metrics are algorithmically confirmed to maintain fair and positive experiences for content creators, advertisers, and viewers. To verify that metrics are accurate, YouTube may temporarily slow down, freeze, or change your metric count, and discard low-quality playbacks.
The timing of these changes varies depending on a video or channel's popularity and viewership. Keep in mind that we're constantly confirming and adjusting engagement events.

>>3499591
Is Scraper-chama that was parsing the members from live chat still tabulating the data on how many do each Holo has?

I believe he put Gura in at a minimum of 10,000 members out of more than 100,000 unique posters over a period of like 30 days or something.

>>3502396
I don't think there have been any vtuber streams really that would trigger it that hard in a while. No huge debuts or 3D debuts on channels that didn't already have big numbers before that.

>>3502503
>might
>may
not to mention you're writing up more than 3x than what the green text actually ever says, filling it up with your own theories.

>>3502347
It says brush up right there

>>3502650
no it says BU. Im talking about clickbait cattle, they see 3D, they should click.

>>3502847
And then they realize it’s not a debut and since a lot of people only stick around for those they leave
Much more so when it’s someone who’s not very relevant

>>3499591
Man, Hololive is really dominating the chart

>>3502847
Also look harder, it does say brush up both in the title and thumbnail

>>3502630
It's not really that hard to follow though is it. It is fairly simple "here is what youtube says", here are some examples where the view count wasn't accurate, now lets observe what they have in common and see if that might trigger an algorith to think the levels of engagement are suspicious. That is all I am doing.

>>3502924
well theyd leave if they didnt like the stream, not because they only opened youtube to watch a 3D. So partially agree.

>>3499591
How did UI pull 17k viewers? On Monhun no less..

>>3503056
its more like "here is what I think youtube means by those vague statements"

>>3500004
>>3501038
>>3502396
>>3502629
here you go you lazy asses, it took me literally a minute, much less than what you two spent arguing:
Nabi (amelia/uto mama) debut:
- 16,193 max viewers
- 31,016 views at end of live

>>3503118
Starting to think you are just being disagreeable for the sake of it at this point when you are apparently even denying things from just a few posts ago ever happened.

>>3503264
Not big enough numbers.

>>3503085
monhun is a buff game, specially the first stream

>>3503264
Welp, looks like gura's year-old debut example just fell apart..

>>3503388
It's honestly not a good example of what we are talking about. The examples I am giving are debut streams that were in the 80-100k+ viewers range or channels that went from regularly having viewers in the thousands one day to 100k the next.

Nabi debut views were definitely fucked (look at likes). They also rose to 80k+ fairly shortly after.

Aqua would have had a minimum of 5 million views if it was on bilibili.

>>3503961
I reckon it probably happens on every live stream to some extent. Just it has to be really extreme to get a situation where it will actually show less views than live viewers.

>>3503917
lol both of them are accounts who started from nowhere and already got 10k+ live on their first stream. They are the same, difference being that now youtube seems to have fixed the views at end of video problem, at least partially to an unknown % of total.
Take a closer look, Nabi, a literal nobody, gets 2x views at end than her max, exactly the same as Ratna, an old streamer who's had 17 videos with over 200k views, and two of them 1million, and i cant even count how many are more than 100k views. Your theory is heavily flawed, and it is time you come to accept it.

>>3501021
... in what planet 40k,20k, 10k and son is not being popular? There's more people than this top 25.

There's also more than Nijisanji and Hololive, so compare it to the other jp agencies to see.

>>3504071
Shut the fuck up zhong

>>3502058
Who are their top ones for you? Because there's a difference between subs and live viewers. A lot with lesser subs in Nijisanji have bigger numbers than ones with more subs.

>>3503893
Is this only factoring in JP channels?
If so, Hololive getting almost double the subscribers in a week than Nijisanji who have over triple their member count.
Also while They're pumping out over double the amount of videos/streams per week they're getting less views than Hololive.

Do shitpost reviews usually get 40k? That seems unusually high or maybe I just don't normally pay attention to them?

>>3505974
Every week unless it's someone like Mel and even that got 36k. Korone's got 56k.

What happened to Nijisanji? It seems the only relevant people on their roster are the males. You can hardly even call them direct competitors to Hololive anymore since the demographic that wants to watch male vtubers play Apex and the demographic that watches Hololive almost certainly don't overlap very much.

>>3505974
40k-50k is her average. Her lowest with a talent is around 33k (Luna)
Lowests overall is when she did it with CocoKaine (25k)

>>3505974
Yes, they do usually get 40k. Asacoco too, but i think its been months since shes made the last of those.

>>3505974

>>3502560
Miko herself said she had reached 10,000 members 'some time back', so Gura probably has quite a bit more, unless Miko is an outlier.

Anyone has aqua's members numbers? Her chat is pretty much green sea of members, you stand out like a sore thumb if you don't have her member and comment there.

Gura hard carrying

>>3506180
Power of rabbits

>>3506702
what happened to ame, she's bleeding viewers

>>3506666
that huge explosion of green subs during the concert was pretty amazing.

>>3506702
Nice to see Azki inclining, but luna's buff is likely due to monhun, I don't think it will last.

Guess we can classify the blue as low tier, yellow as mid tier, green as mid upper tier, red as upper tier, and purple as top tier for holos. At least in terms of live views.

>>3506928
Everyone in EN is bleeding viewers, though Ame more than most. Hopefully May outfits and the hype it brought will reverse than decline, at least temporarily.

>>3506702
>Ina is second in EN
Wait what? What are these numbers?

>>3506928
Supachatto readings. Her game streams are still about the same since a few months

>>3506702
For Gen 2 to be that strong with Choco dragging them down hard is pretty amazing

>>3506069
Aside from the top ones, they only do good when they do 3D shit or collabs.

>>3499591
based loliman

>>3499591
Shuba&Shiguremama monhun collab is now only a matter of time

>>3507085
SC reading affects your average viewers, and since Ina doesnt read them her live views dont get this debuff

>>3506702
Where do you find this?

>>3507337
Eh, it's a false alarm for Gen 2's success. Aqua, Shion, and Ayame barely streamed that month so their averages are going to be higher due to smaller sample sizes. Subaru is also the EOP darling right now but eventually they will get bored of her and she will go back to sub 8k viewers.

>>3506702
>Strongest gen
>4th
ENfags are hilarious.

>>3499591
I wonder what it's like to be a Nijinigger right now. All Nijiniggers are elitist pricks with an inflated sense of self worth so it must be absolutely painful for them to see Hololive streams breaking 100k every single day. If there were any losers over the last week it was most certainly Nijisanji. They got absolutely styled on.

>>3508652
Shion and Ayame always get big numbers when they actually stream, for the same reason the Disney vault was a thing or limited edition products sell well. And Shuba's been doing well for a while now, even when she was EOP repellent.

>>3508902
>Shion and Ayame always get big numbers
Let's see them stream every day for an entire month and see if they still pull those numbers. I bet they can't. Neither of them are interesting enough to actually hold an audience.

>>3508845
4 of the 6 nijifags that come this board are crying in their containment thread and the other 2 who go out from time to time get btfo eventually

>>3508982
And? Ayame streamed 5 times in April and made just under $50k in superchats, she can spend the rest of the month playing LOL and watching anime. In a way it's frustrating seeing her mog my oshi who works her ass off but if it works for her then why bother changing?

i don't really follow niji talents that much but why did the 3d reveal get good numbers while lulu getting a new outfit got shit numbers?
isn't lulu one of the bigger talents?

>>3509447
3d streams are more interesting

>>3508982
I dont know about Shion, but I would watch Ayame every single fucking day

>>3509447
Costume reveals aren't that rare. Even if it's Lulu.

>>3509447
costume reveals are not shill by Ichikara, neither a miserable tweet about it, since every chuuba have to pay with their own money for it

>>3500004
youtube queues are shit right now, even more son since april where the engagmeent bug happeend.
Anything that is beyond 10k viewers will take around1-2 hours after the stream ends to get the total views.is really noticeable with japanese vods too, Lize is clear example if you follow her numbers since she regularyl streams the same amount of time. Hence why a lot of short streams (less than 2hrs) can end with double the views they initially had at the end of them in the next 2 hours.
Is youtbe queue degradation making everything slow as shit for vods now and probably also happens with live viewers.

>>3509847
yeah, it's why i dislike people that use numbers instantly when the stream is over, you should honestly give it like a 12 hour grace period to adjust.
also has youtube talked about the bug? cause it seems to be real but i don't see anyone outside of these thread talking about it.

>>3509447
Nijishit inflation of talents and their policy of hands off approuch means that their on their own (no advertisement between members, or from the company)

Lulu hasn't been a powerhouse compared to last year.

>>3510232
>also has youtube talked about the bug?
PFFF NO, it reall doesnt have that much of impact on cpm or rpm so most wont care. The engagement bug was adressed and was fixed after a week after it started(04/16). But i did noticed that videos were ending with less views since then but still reatin their avergaes after some time.
is not so bad to compare on long streams or streams with similar viewership, but on high events is inconsistant as shit.

>>3510554
Would be nice if Hololive could establish themselves on an actual competent site because youtube fucking sucks. I hope Miko going to twitch was a test run for their eventual move over to that site.

>>3510659
from what I hear Twitch is getting even worse than Youtube

>>3510732
Well that is due to the culture of the site. I was talking about basic functionality. Youtube is a broken site and twitch works a million times better.

>>3510659
youtube is the place where you get global presence.
Twitch wont make them grow or get more subs, thats why twitch streamers still have youtube pages. The people comes from youtube to twitch. If you go twitcth only you need to leech on biger streamers than you.
Also twitch is far smaller than yotuutbe and if they were the same size probably will have the same issues.

>>3509447
Lulu gets about 6-8k regular live viewers per stream. But for special occasions, I’ve never seen her break 15k for months now. It’s like the niji audience only comes out for the initial 3d debut and nowhere else.

>>3511009
Well 3d debuts are special so it goes without saying a lot more people come to watch them even if they don’t regularly keep up with the person’s streams

>>3511009
>Lulu gets about 6-8k regular live viewers per stream. But for special occasions, I’ve never seen her break 15k for months now.
that sounds crazy to me, if a holo gets 6-8k average i'd expect an outfit reveal to break 50k.
don't get me wrong, her regular viewing figures are impressive and she seems like a talented girl so i'm not hating on her but if these are her numbers then that outfit reveal should have pulled in way more viewers.

>>3510659
they'll always be on youtube and twich in order to get more people watching, you need these sites to reach new markets.
i do think they talked about making their own site, which will probably be an alternative for people already interested.

>>3500004
EOPS and CHINKS

>>3499849
it started prior to the outfit reveal but the new outfit being super cute helped.
it's a small incline, but it seems to be solid.

>>3499807
Doesn't matter

Niji fucking bodied HoloEN collab

Nijichads I kneel

>>3505879
?? No, they aren't. It's so clear that you don't know how much they put out.
There's at least 4 members who haven't streamed for months, there's more than 15 who stream less than 5 times per month and so on. Hololive puts much more content with individuals than nijisanji, with only Ayame, Mel and Shion not streaming much.

>>3506069
In what planet this is true? Mito, Lize, Nui Sociere,Sasaki, Lulu, Hoshikawa and many of their female members have good to great live views.

Aside from that, you all seems to forget that hololive has the entire world against Nijisanji, which is mostly in JP, so of course this will happen. It's the logic. There's much more public for them compared to any other jp agency, including nijisanji. Them still having good/great numbers for streamers with a jp only audience is already something.

>>3508845
Imagine being a sad tribalfag like you.

>>3511720
Because more casuals are drawn to Holo’s outfit reveals, plus they’re more rare

>>3512650
massive cope

The only one out of those that shows up on the numbers charts posted here is Mito and even she has been declining hard lately. Lize is moderately successful and can reach the charts with a collab or something but rarely on her own.

All the others are literal whos and the only reason anybody knows who Hoshikawa is is because of Matsuri. Otherwise she would be completely unknown.

>>3511720
>>3509447
Because 3D debut is much more interesting than 2D. And 15k is a fantastic number.

Only in here someone with a number like this is bad. Not even big streamers in the west get those numbers.

The hololive bubble really fucked up your minds. Compare the numbers nijisanji pulls compared to everything on vtubers outside of hololive and you'll see how it's much above the rest.

>>3509634
Source for that?

>>3512889
>15k is a fantastic number
>your competition is putting up 194k for the exact same kind of stream
Yeah, nice cope, lol

>>3512821
Wake up to the reality. Not reaching this chart doesn't mean anything like that, otherwise 99% of the industry isn't successful. Those are still very successful Vtubers, even more compared to other agencies and heck, the industry itself ot streamers.

If you plan to discuss normally without trolling it would be nice to have this discussion.

> and can reach the charts with a collab or something but rarely on her own.

She literally appeared alone a lot with Genshin, Uma musume and other stuff.

> All the others are literal whos and the only reason anybody knows who Hoshikawa is is because of Matsuri. Otherwise she would be completely unknown.

Why are you bringing western views on this? If you go by that, no one knows even Mito.

I'm obviously talking about the general number. Hoshikawa has almost 500k and views between 1-4k.

>>3506069
I've been saying this for a while which is what makes the Hololive vs. Nijisanji discussions hilarious. The females in Nijisanji would be much better off in Hololive as nobody watches them while the males in Hololive (holostars) would be much better off in Nijisanji since nobody watches them. That is why you don't let Fujos take over your fanbase Nijisanji.

>>3512971
Ok? What part you don't understand that one company has popularity in and outside of Japan and the other has mostly in Japan?

The reality is that those are fantastic numbers for this very vtuber industry and for streamers. Imagine your surprise when you see 774 costume reveals which their maximum is 2k as only Patra and Haneru have more than 1k views between all their members.

You are just being a sad tribalist, no different than console war bs.

>>3512532
He's talking about the numbers on that table, anon. Your words dont mean much against them.

>>3499591
>thread
holo whitepigu vs niji seaniggers tribal fight

>>3513120
I can't believe you compared the female nijisanji with holostars when the majority of their female members have much more live viewers than them.

> Nobody watches them
> average live viewers in april

>>3513058
>Why are you bringing Western views into this

Are you not a Western viewer anon? How can you act as if Nijisanji have no Western Viewer when there is a thread in 4chan and a subreddit for Nijisanji

Stop acting as if Nijisanji has 0 Western Viewers and that they only have Japanese ones when they clearly have both.

You're just saying that "Nijisanji's Western Viewers doesn't matter because they only pander to the JPs" as a massive cope because Nijisanji has next to no Western presence by their own incompetence.

They could have mogged Hololive in 2018-2019 by appealling to Western fans when they saw Shizuka Rin massive uptick of Western eyes following her video in Meme Review.

Hana could have been the definitive EN Vtuber if she didn't throw it all away.

Gibara could have been the gateway to for Western audiences to Niji but she decided to stream only on NicoNico for almost a year.

Using the excuse of "They only have JP audience" is worthless when it's been shown time and time again that they could have gotten a massive lead yet squandered all the chances they had to cultivate a Western audience

>>3512889
i'm not saying it's a bad number, like i said being able to draw 6-8k on each stream is incredible for any talent.
i'm saying because her number is usually so high i'd have expected a bigger multiplier for a 2d reveal, if you can get 6k doing your bread and butter you should be able to get over 30k for special events.
14k means you barely got new viewers outside of the people that would have originally watched the stream, if any.
and i'm sorry but i disagree with you that 2d reveals aren't special.

>>3513460
> Are you not a Western viewer anon? How can you act as if Nijisanji have no Western Viewer when there is a thread in 4chan and a subreddit for Nijisanji
I am. But I'm aware that Nijisanji is much more niche outside of Japan and that their japanese streamers get most of it from JP. Hololive isn't like that since 2020

> You're just saying that "Nijisanji's Western Viewers doesn't matter because they only pander to the JPs" as a massive cope because Nijisanji has next to no Western presence by their own incompetence.
Yes, I'm saying this because otherwise there's no discussion in the first place as western viewers only know hololive vtubers. Nijisanji main public is in JP, so how do you expect me to respond to your "literal whos" when those very vtubers are popular in their own?

> They could have mogged Hololive in 2018-2019 by appealling to Western fans when they saw Shizuka Rin massive uptick of Western eyes following her video in Meme Review.
> Hana could have been the definitive EN Vtuber if she didn't throw it all away.
> Gibara could have been the gateway to for Western audiences to Niji but she decided to stream only on NicoNico for almost a year.
Ok? I don't care about this. If you are so butthurt because of this,that's on you. None of those vtubers were obligated to follow anything like this.

My argument is just very simple. They are popular in Japan, so of course their views won't be as explosive as hololive. Those "literal whos" by your vision, have good numbers for streamers.

You just have a very arrogant and naive vision blinded by only following hololive. Not understanding that streamers in general have much worse numbers and that even on this industry, those other agencies and vtubers are below Nijisanji in live viewers.

As I said before, not appearing or dominating those top 25 doesn't mean they aren't successful. And it just shows how you don't care about vtubers, only by numbers.

> Using the excuse of "They only have JP audience" is worthless when it's been shown time and time again that they could have gotten a massive lead yet squandered all the chances they had to cultivate a Western audience

This isn't an excuse. This is a reality of the situation. That's like saying Dragon Quest isn't successful just because most of its popularity comes from Japan. It's just ridiculous.

>>3513779
I'm not saying they aren't succesful; Nijisanji clearly is, otherwise they would have folded like upd8 or .Live

All I'm saying is stop using the "Don't bring Western views into this" or "They are pandering to EOPs" when it's been shown that both companies clearly have Western and JP viewers and are (maybe too late for Ichikara) pandering to EOPs

Next time, just say Niji is more popular in JP instead of having to change the metrics, just to make it seem like Ichikara is "winning"

Nothing wrong with being popular in a smaller audience.

>>3508845
rentfree

>>3514418
I don't know how you got this idea that I was trying to make as if Ichikara is "winning". My point since the beginning always have been about those not being bad numbers at all and how Nijisanji will most of the times get smaller numbers than hololive, because holo has much more viewers outside of Japan in comparison. That much is obvious, which is why to me it's always has been fascinating to see so many of their members doing those kind of numbers with a smaller audience compared to holo who has a much bigger outreach in the west.

With that said, while Nijisanji do have western fans, it's something much more niche in comparison, even in 2019 it was.Hololive became synonimous with vtuber in here, and I doubt this will change to any other agency when the default became hololive, not even Kizuna Ai anymore. There's a lot of a questions about it but in the end it comes down to hololive getting more popularity in here, and with this, having an advantage in subscriptions and viewrship for their jp branch and in general.

>>3508652
>i dont watch subaru so her number is probably lower

>>3508982
>shion and ayame
>not interesting
They are 10x more interesting than whatever en put up on the table

>>3508845

Funny when last year was nijifags doing the numbers thread and when nijisanji keep dominated the top position they keep shitting on Hololive fan back in /jp/

And now when Hololive boom happened and keep holding a top spot and holofags doing the numbers threads and now nijifags came here and accused holofags as "tribalfagger"

>>3515159
It's probably because I only began to use 4chan in the end of 2020 but if I was still here at that time, I would say the same thing about nijisanji fans doing tribalism. I feel this now for nijisanji and I feel it when the same is done to hololive.
Being a fan to both sides sucks.

I miss when this was /numbers/ and not /NijivsHolo/

>>3513554
ever hear of box pushing in idol culture? that is how hololive operates and that is why hololive with 6-8k views average have 50k views with new outfit while Lulu only had 13k views, most of nijifag or any non idol type agencyfags only waching their favorite vtuber and don't care about the rest, Tokyo Ghaul fanbase will likely not watch Lulu stream and vice versa . i think it's funny when western faggots shit on idol culture but they are slowly turning into idolfag themselves, i will give cover an applause for that, they really succeeded in selling idol culture to the west when no-one can did that in japan before

>>3513263
lol it's still holoseaniggu, seanigger-kun

>>3514769
No, I don't watch Subaru since I'm not an EOP. SHUBA SHUBA FUNNY DUCK!!!! What a great EOP fanbase she has.

>>3516150
Her viewer is steadily in 12-14k for months even before duck reddit, you fucking retard. Stop larping as jsl when you cant even read numbers

>>3515159
You weren't even watching vtubers then. Stop making things up.

>>3513554
>i'd have expected a bigger multiplier
I got suckered into this thinking too earlier. I never expected a Lulu 500k milestone celeb with 3D to attract only 12k viewers. Mel literally does better. Deriving viewership estimates from holopro and applying it to other agencies simply doesn't work. Came to the conclusion that agency numbers should be calculated and applied separately.
>14k means you barely got new viewers
I think new outfits and even 3D live events don't create a lot of new viewers. If you're not a fan, why would a special event matter? What it does affect is fan engagement. That's why the 10% hololive sub-to-viewer ratio held mostly true for fashion week.

How should expectations for nijisanji special events be predicted? No idea. It all seems uneven to me. Lulu had 40k+ 3D debut, Emma August had 40k+ 3D debut but then Hayato has 135k 3D debut. Fuck me, where did these viewers come from? And there is no convenient fashion week where numberfags can test assumptions. For all we know, we need membership numbers for anything to make sense.

>>3515944
EN lost so they target niji

>>3515159

>>3515159
holo was literally who back in 2019, stop making thing up, newfag. is making narrative holotrannies hobby?

>>3517718
Now Niji is literally who. Funny how it all comes full circle.

>>3513410
I don't think this image does what you think it does.

In the top row the whore at 18k only had 3 streams and one of them was a 3D stream which brings in viewers. She will never be on the top row again and will sink back to her lackluster true average. The whore with the white hair at 12k gets a lot of chink viewers for shilling chink games like Genshin. These views are not organic. I guess Mito is the only one who actually belongs on that top row although she is sinking fast.

Other than that all the other whores are Roboco/Mel/Aki tier in viewers and those three always get made fun of in holo threads for their low viewers (even though they are still higher than 90% of Nijis).

>>3515944
here. 5/1 - 5/9 JST ENvtubers numberfag

>>3518528
This was dec-january, now show the new one

>>3518528
Does this include Melody's chaturbate?

>>3518528
Doesnt count, EN number is heavily buffed by outfit reveal

>>3518528
Does this include the Costume reveal streams?

>>3518774
do you not understand what a median is? why are you in a numberfag thread?

>>3519987
Still doesnt represent their true number

People just don't care about Nijisanji because they're not interesting, plain and simple. Their viewerships might be better than other literally whos but they're nothing compared to Hololive. Also, 48k for 3D debut is not a good number. Even indies can do better than that.

>>3518212
Anon wasn’t saying that the girls take over the very top but rather that they aren’t being overshadowed by the guys in the grand scheme of things, as you can see in the image there’s a balanced mix of both genders in each column

>>3520475
*Aside from the top

>>3520475
NOOOOO.
NIJI BAD. DON'T TRY TO RUIN THE NARRATIVE

>>3516632
Hololive unity as a whole means that people will tune in for special reveal events regardless if they're interested in the chuuba or not just for the sake of curiousity, meanwhile nijisanji tends to attract only a small fraction of people who don't have the chuuba as their oshi for those events. Lulu got a new outfit a few days ago which had ridiculous amounts of customization (two new hairstyles, an outift with three layers with the jacket being able to have the hoodie on/off, three accessories, brushed up animations, and most of the new stuff works on the older outfit as well) yet only pulled around 12k. If anyone from holoEN got the kind of treatment there would be a parade for a fucking month

>>3520280
Then what would you use as their true number? I hope the source isn't from your ass

>>3515990
Woa, this just proves that the Japanese are more successful in subverting Westerners on the internet than the Jews.

>>3517718

>>3518676
>>3518774
The copium.

>>3521068
>Hololive unity as a whole
If there is a holo unity then all holos should have had the same view count. But they did not. There is a specific interest in certain chuubas. It can be seen in max viewer attendance which can be roughly represented as % of their subcount -- around 10% for fashion week with a range of 7.5% to 12.5%. Even Aqua's 3D didn't stray from that.

Niji has weird numbers and probably depends on unseen shit like member data or japan-only ads.

>>3518212
>Inflated numbers from special events don't count
Please make the same statement next month when the same picture with holoEN is going to get posted

>The whore with the white hair at 12k gets a lot of chink viewers for shilling chink games like Genshin. These views are not organic
You put some effort in your bait, have a deserved (You)

>>3521704
Your looking at this as too black and white now I think. There are people that will tune into big events who are fans of Hololive as a whole and people that are fans of Nijisanji that will do it. The effect is much bigger in Hololive though because the culture surrounding and the relative homogeneity of the performers encourages it. If you want to explain why Hayato gets huge numbers while Lulu or Emma don't you would probably be better served by looking at the content than their relative popularity. 2 standard 3D debuts that everyone has seen before more or less vs a 3D debut that was more or less a free concert pushing the boundaries of current vtuber 3D technology by tracking a full band in real time accurately and featuring several popular members as guests.

>>3501053
keep seething

I cant believe there are still nijifags who dares to show themself after the humiliation that is last week. Kek

>>3523183
Chumsharts continue to DEGRADE themselves

Holo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05VuFmvHjNY
Tamaki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfWds6DmmfA
Niji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyMekXTNKc8
Look at the views. I was not baiting or joking when I said Niji is below indies. This is pretty fucking sad when you think about it.

>>3524753
you didn't link any indies

>>3525107
>Tamaki
Noripro is just a group of friends trying to help each other, not a company.
You can fuck right off if you're going to say Tamaki is a honorary Hololive.

>>3525253
のりプロについて
漫画家佃煮のりおがプロデュースするバーチャルYouTuber事務所です。
「犬山たまき」を筆頭に、個性豊かな所属タレントが動画配信プラットフォームで活動しています。
また、各種イベント企画・グッズ販売・音楽制作などを行っています。

>>3524753
>>3525253
>indieS
>only lists one indie
Okay now list 5 more instead of the one exception that proves the rule.

>>3525382
It isn't indie to begin with noripro describes itself as a vtuber agency.

>>3524753
they used to tribalfag muh vod views on /jp/

>>3525382
Shigure Ui

>>3503085
You newfags really don't know how big mh is in Japan? It is absolutely a buff game.

>>3525793
Is that the one that's always with hololive?

>>3525629
even in back in 2017/18 you had people numberfagging Kizuna Ai and saying how Luna should just give up because she is never going to catch up. It's not exactly anything new.

>for autisticly playing minecraft

i kneel

>>3524753
For maximum LULs you should have posted the hologra that was just uploaded today that already has double the views of the Niji one, lol.

>>3526595
She just sang a bit and then people started superchating.

>>3527441
she's pretty consistent with her superchat earnings

>>3508833
They trounce on VODs. Also we only claim that HoloEN is better than Gen 0 and Gen 1, not 2 or 3. Dog is graduating so gamers will kneel soon. Laughing at 4 though. Fuck you towafags.

>>3507011
It's mostly because EOPs were forced to get the sterilization microchip "vaccine" and now have to go make Noseburg even more rich.

>>3527501
> People consistently send SCs despite knowing Gura’s “SC reading gacha rate”.
Jesas

>>3520336
??? In what planet indies do better than that?

>>3520475
Exactly. I meant that a lot of the girls were popular like the other male vtubers. The guy was misinterpreting what I said.

>>3525253
NoriPro is literally a company and Tamaki is one of the most popular vtubers in JP so wtf are you even talking. lol

>>3527806
Yonkisei destroys your precious ENs in the superchat rankings though

>>3523183
Cant even average 20k with a surprise minecraft stream kek

>>3529624
If they were also incapable of milking sad japanese salarymen who open their wallets to literally anything like all other JP holos then they would be very pathetic.

>>3502560
I'm here, I'm currently working so I can't quite work on this as much as I wanted.
I need to tweak a few things before letting the script run for all viewers. My original plan was to get stats on all viewers (their messages / superchats / nationality etc.) and maybe run some sentiment analysis algorithm to detect antis or something i don't know. Or maybe try to check all banned words. Just messing around with chat in general. The data gathered may also be useful for some NLP projects I have, but I'm not sure if it'll be very relevant.

I'll check the numbers for aqua for >>3506666
tho, I'll update in a few hours

>>3508982
>I bet they can't.
they litteraly don't have to. why would they change a strategie that is working more than fine for them?

Since some threads past there were anons hypothesizing that you can't compare vod views from youtube and twitch because they supposedly don't get the same views growth after a live is done, looks like they were mistaken. Both platforms get similar views growth through time, comparing two en vtubers that are close in views.

>>3531861
Dunno there are so many factors not being controlled for here that it seems like you would need a lot more data to come to any kind of reasonable conclusion about it. The content of the stream itself, the length, the number of live viewers, the streamer themselves, the number of subs they have. The effect of the platform isn't close to being isolated at all.

I wonder why male Nijis haven't tried to make connection with Hololive. I see that some have collabed with Holostars so male obviously aren't off-limit to those Holomems.

>>3533795
But they already did years ago when Hololives was literally who?

>>3506666
Update on >>3530118
Out of the 57 462 unique viewers that have talked in chat this last month, there are 9 389 members (16.3%)

HoloEN members count :
Gawr Gura : 10955 / 100334 (10.9%)
Ina Ninomae : 7097 / 57444 (12.3%)
Mori Calliope : 5029 / 66908 (7.5%)
Amelia Watson : 4983 / 47925 (10.4%)
Kiara Takanashi : 3965 / 48809 (8.1%)

So.. that's quite impressive!

I'll do the other streamers later

is https://hiyoko.sonoj.net broke for anyone else?

>>3520280
You're a fucking inbred illiterate retard. A median average is not a simple PEMDAS calculation that somehow obfuscates the numbers. Go back to school and take a proper statistic class.

>>3533795
>I wonder why male Nijis haven't tried to make connection with Hololive
Uncle Maimoto and Subaru?
Matsuri and Yashiro even having a name for their duo called 27&JK?
I suppose those collabs are a relic of the past now. Besides, if they want to collab with females they have a huge roster under their own company. Only holostars are getting the short end of the stick with some rare exceptions

>>3534717
I saw in one of the recent member karaokes of Gura, some scraper anon posted an image of ~13k -14k live viewers or something.
Is it possible to track that in live ember stream ?

>>3534980
You mean like the usernames of the viewers?
But yeah that's possible you can access the live chat from the API

>>3528642
>??? In what planet indies do better than that?
To be fair Sio in 2020 managed to reach the 24th place in superchats taking a dump over almost every niji and a large chunk of holos. Which is even more impressive if you consider she had to stop in June and never stream for the rest of the year.
She was a fucking beast.

>>3527957
I think the people that SC Gura are gachafags and are just in it to see if they get read.

>>3534912
hes talking about holostars specifically. A few have done actually, but it was mostly because they are friends irl.
Nijimales wont really do a lot of collabs with holostars because of their numbers difference: they have little to gain from the stars smaller fanbase, while having a lot to lose of their own fujos if they give them too much spotlight.

>>3534980
that was actually number of voters on a members-only poll, wasnt it?

>>3535033
>>3535306
I regret that I didn't save the photos so it's hard for me to describe.
Member streams do not show the live viewers of the stream, but that scraper anon showed a picture showing a console or api having something like this
>live_viewers: 14k
and said that was the number of people who was watching that member karaoke stream.
If we can track like that I think it is also reliable I guess.

>>3527806
>Dog is graduating
Wait, what? Where did this come from?

>>3535409

Fake rrat , she said it but changed her mind later and it happened before her romancing saga stream

>>3535409
it's a rrrat, just ogey.

>>3535460
>>3535456
ogey

>>3535409
Shes not, Korone had made a single sad tweet and deleted it in seconds, that kind of mood swing that women have once every month. Schizos are just being schizos.

For those of you that think Niji is more popular in Japan because Holo is watched mostly by foreigners, Pekora is currently doing a Japanese geography test to filter the gaijin, I've seen maybe 2 English comments in the chat the entire time. There's 35k people watching.

>>3535585
>implying that stop gaijin, seanigger and chink from watching her.

>>3535585
Take some kind of record of it, the schizos love to pretend they have horrible memory.

>>3518528
ha, i didn't realize snuffy was actually the number1 indie.
i thought she lost viewers after she dropped her character?

>>3535585
Anon, usually a bigger portion of foreign viewers are just lurking instead of chatting if they don't know the language .
They only show up when being called
like Korone: "hey guys"
or Gura: "Minna"

>>3535778
try watching Korone before talking out of your ass. EOPs will react to literally anything she does.

>>3533795
I remember a clip of Akina talking about playing with Ayame and some other Holo girl off stream. The only reason he showed up is because they invited him, apparently he's terrified of being doxxed or attacked by rabid fans. I'm going to assume he's probably not the only one with those fears

>>3535881
That was true when I watched her one year ago yeah.

>>3534717
Minimum Monthly Membership:
Gura : $54,775
Ina : $35,485
Calli : $25,145
Ame : $24,915
Kiara : $19,825

Think about it. In memberships alone, these girls are making the full year salaries of low-to-middle income workers just streaming for a couple of hours a day. They could even reach the retirement threshold (at least $1,000,000 cumulative income) in but a couple of years just off of memberships alone. This doesn't even account for the possibility of having multiple tiers, which significantly increase the income (Gura has a $10 T2 that would place her at $109,550/mo. if everyone is a T2).

>>3535893
There was that one guy from Niji I can't remember who, one of the newer ones, he praised Suisei's tetris skills on twitter and got backlash from fans for it and deleted the tweet.

>>3535925
Bear in mind though that not everyone buys membership in USD and it costs less than $5 in most currencies

>>3535925
mori has a suprising amount of tier3 subs, which i think is 50 buckaroos?
i'm not sure how many she has but it's probably in the triple digits.
in terms of how much their making, that's normal, in the entertainment industry you're either incredibly poor or incredibly rich, very few people live in the in between because of mass media.
most of the people that make it have been poor for years before their break and for every 1 person that makes it 9 end up poor forever.
if you're jealous of them don't be, it's a hard road.

>>3535585
yeah it takes much effort to copy and paste 草 right

>>3536266
Mori is also the only one that actually pay gates her membership content so that might contribute to the high number.
All the Hologirls are doing better than if they worked normal company jobs so I guess it makes them an outlier compared to Nijisanji where not all of them can afford to make it a full time job.

>>3536041
wait, people get a discount depending on their region?
the fuck?

>>3535925
You do realize that memberships costs are different depending on the region?

>>3536758
I kind of think most of them probably could if they wanted. Hajime streams some ridiculous hours with some of the worst viewers in the company and apparently manages to survive.

>>3536763
That’s why ARS is a meme currency. Around 50cents USD for a memebership if I recall.

>>3536859
Hajime is still working as a youtuber. Vtubing isn’t her only gig.

>>3536917
>her

>>3536931
Are you retard?

>>3536758
most of them are doing fine, desu none of this is close to their main revenue source.
both superchats and memberships are just supplemental income, the real money comes from the merch and corporate sponsorships

>>3536985
You probably think of some other Hajime, anon, not the 300 viewers 10 hours a day Hajime that is also a guy.

>>3536763
Here's a chart I stole from r*ddit, just divide the USD M column by 10 and that's how much a membership costs

>>3536862
man fuck argentina, the fuck did they do to get a discount?
just pay the 5 bucks it's not that much cabron.

>>3536041
>>3536852
>>3536862
Just so you know, I actually thought about that and was considering actually rounding their income down to the nearest $10,000 to account for this, but then I realized that currency VPNs is so low and that Holo's audience is so heavily funded in USD, JPY, CAD, EUR and the various Krona that between that and the multi-tier memberships it would all amount to a rounding error.

>>3537082
For most currencies prices were flat when memberships were just introduced. They just weren't ever adjusted for inflation.

>>3537082
Someone post the screenshot, I don't have it saved

>>3536995
I have no idea on how many sponsorships the lower end of Nijis get so I can’t comment on that.
The lower end of Holos (like Aki) seem to get quite a bit of sponsorships and merch tie ins which offsets the low SC.

>>3537119
wait, so the difference in price is do to inflation?
ha, argentina is fucked.

>>3537119
>They just weren't ever adjusted for inflation.
Imagine the absolute chaos if you were able to spacha in zimbabwean dollars

>>3535975
Oh yeah that happened. Why did he think it's okay to mention her name like that, I'll never know.

Giken Access April 2021:

1. Apex Legends
2. Monster Hunter Rise
3. VALORANT
4. Among Us
5. Uma Musume Pretty Derby
6. League of Legends
7. Minecraft
8. Fortnite
9. Dead by Daylight
10. Street Fighter V
11. Ark: Survival Evolved
12. Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry no Wonderland 3D
13. Identity V
14. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
15. Conqueror's Blade
16. PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds
17. PUBG Mobile
18. Shadowverse
19. Monster Strike
20. Resident Evil 7: Biohazard

>>3537347
because he's not crazy and doesn't think being part of different companies is that big of a deal?
not being a schizoid should be the norm not the exception.

>>3537415
The Japanese fanbases are a lot more batshit crazy than the schizos here.

>>3535925
Hey anon, is there anyway you can modify the table in a way that we can get a minimum baseline as to how much they would earn? Like what would the results be if 65/50/35 percent of members were using the lowest currency value available to member? That might be a good way to balance out the different currency issue for something like this.

>>3537349
Wasn't Jun streaming DQ Monsters? That average is insane lol

>>3537670
I am not the one who posted >>3534717. I just happen to make a simple calculation based on his data. That said making an excel table that contain the chuubas and their membership numbers and then add a calculator that changes the value based on the currencies that are found isn't particularly hard.

>>3534790
a-anyone?

>>3534790
>>3538065
I just checked and it's taking forever to load the data. The website itself is fine so it's probably either a database issue or some connection error.

>>3537670
Yes that's possible. Like >>3538044 said we'd just have to calculate the % of each currency used (we'd get these with the superchats) and apply it for all members. I think it would be a pretty reasonable estimation.

I'll do that for sure but right now I'm focusing on collecting the data, I'll do all the fancy calculations after.
I will make a pretty dashboard when it'll be done

>A-chan new costume reveal
>18k
hololive reclining

>>3538065
Best not open it while it's acting weird, anon.

>>3538375
I legit thought they are just doing some concert announcement...
They should title that shit better wtf

>>3538685
Small ESL Company prease undastan

>>3538685
>"hololive music studio"
>almost the same thumbnail as lofi remix`s one
>doing some concert announcement
?

>>3537082
Pic was from a year ago, 1000 ars is now $10.65. Divide by 20 and you will get the membership cost for each currency

>>3539110
>"hololive music studio"
It sounds to me more like some news for upcoming music releases, concerts included

>>3539145
It doesn't work like that. Membership price for different tiers goes up nonlinearly and differently for different currencies. But there's no need for such precision anyway.

>>3539421
It was a combination of shill stream for Bouquet and From First, policy statement for derivative works based on holo music, and A-chan new outfit reveal --> this is where viewership spiked.

>>3535925
>Minimum Monthly Membership:
>Gura : $54,775
>Ina : $35,485
>Calli : $25,145
>Ame : $24,915
>Kiara : $19,825
People often underestimate Ina, and think she is on the bottom.

>>3539737
Kiara also having pretty much 0-2 members only streams a month also leaves not much incentive to become a member.

Vnuma is down so I can't get numbers right now, so you're going to have to make do with this.

Vnuma is down so I can't get today's numbers, you'll have to make do with this.

>>3523183
Look who's talking.

Sorry can anyone direct me to the numbers thread? I seem to have stepped into the EN vs JP holos thread.

>>3535284
Or maybe they just don’t want to collab with people they don’t know for no reason?

>>3543794
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>
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>>3499591
>>3543631
todays numbers update

>>3544351
Feel like I saw some really low viewer figures for MonHun today and there's none in today's chart, is that arc finally over?

>>3544351
Sasuga pekora. Making a fool out of kuzuha yet again with an OG content stream.

>>3544351
Of all the things to make him break 10k it had to be Akina's presscon troll.

>>3544430
Doesnt sound like much of a win when the eternal apex arc is still happening

>>3537034
Isn't 300 viewers bigger than most streamers? It's not an amazing number or anything but when I look to twitch, a lot of the people out there are way below that.

I really think that the most popular vtubers really warped the perception of the fandom for what is a successful streamer.

>>3544351
Akina is quite big huh? Man, Male vtubers are really underrated in the west to the point they are this successful in JP but people act like they aren't.

>>3544807
He's no Kuzuha obviously but he still has a reasonably sized fanbase and pretty consistent views. 15k is unusual for him though, he just gave his followers a mini heart attack with this one.

>>3544351
that A-chan clutch

Jesus fucking christ you bunch of faggots really have time to lose on this numberfagging shit? Just enjoy your oshi ffs

>>3558015
What if my oshi is a numberfag herself?

>>3559295
I find watching Pekora difficult because of this

>>3559366
Ogey.

>>3559433
Ok

>>3544351
Isn't Patra's Monday ASMR inclining? I remember that being around 12k a month or two ago

This current Gura stream is going to have some pretty huge numbers when it is done. She has held a consistent 30k viewers for almost 5 hours.

>>3561831
And she'll still lose to Pekora later in the day

>>3561905
Maybe in live viewers but Gura's VOD is going to crush Peko's. Gura's VOD will be over 1 million by the end of the week.

>>3561937
Sounds like a cope

Get mogged cumshart

>>3561937
Even if she wins against Pekora, where the hell do you get the confidence that people would like to watch a newly released story driven game enough to get a million views than play it themselves.

Your coping is to thin-veiled here.

>>3561966
I know you are upset that none of Peko's videos can hit 1 million views but one day you will get over it.

>>3562104
You will see

Is it true that Aqua paid for the concert out of her own pockets? Do (we) have a legit sauce or is it just a narrative?
Also, if true, does that mean that Suisei and others did the same thing?

>>3564073
Where did you hear that from anyway?

>>3564662
/hlg/
Tried to get answers from there but no dice.

>>3544351
Really liked the A-chan stream. Wouldn't mind if she streamed once every few weeks

>>3564073
I've heard that in regards to nijis, in particular Hayato's live band. But not for holos. Could be that vtuber agencies have a set budget for special events. Going beyond that, the talent is expected to shell out, like Hayato's band. Maybe Aqua had the rigging or set updated, and Cover couldn't shoulder the burden? But anyway seems too much like a rrat

>>3561905
depends. If pekora plays minecraft then yea, but if its some random unanticipated game then she'll get around 25k live.

>>3561937
But she still streams less than pekora, so her overall views will remain less.

>>3561165
I watched some Lamy ASMR and the Algo recommended me Patra. So she's probably inclining because the algorithm is helping out

>>3565411
meds

2021年 ホログラ出演回数 5月10日更新

Sora 3
Roboco 4
Miko 5
Suisei 0
A-chan 5

Fubuki 3
Matsuri 3
Haachama 3
Aki 3
Mel 2

Aqua 5
Shion 1
Choco 2
Ayame 3
Subaru 5

Mio 5
Okayu 5
Korone 5

Pekora 0
Rushia 0
Flare 3
Noel 3
Marine 5

Kanata 4
Coco 0
Watame 4
Towa 3
Luna 4

Lamy 4
Nene 0
Botan 3
Polka 3

>>3565598
Gamers gen is too strong...

And anon complains about Ayame.

>>3565507
That's probably the best explanation. I was never into ASMR so it will never be recommended to me. But seems like a lot are getting into it if it could sustain a thread in this board

>>3499591
>>3544351
Nijisanji really needs to secure more game permissions. You can't have 150 talents and have them only play Apex. It makes for a boring and stale content. I really wish we can recruit a Coco type talent rather than another multilingual who'll only play Apex.

>>3565598
Pekora and Rushia never had a HoloGraffti episode?

Coco is not surprising, given the whole Chink deal

>Peko kneels to the Shark!

>>3565921
That's a statistical tie, anon. Learn to numberfag.

>>3565921
Gura inclining hard this month

>>3565964
ogey

>>3565736
Patra's ASMR is pretty widely regarded as the best of any vtuber

>>3565812
But they did. They actually have more permission than Hololive due to their strong Japanese base. It just everyone addicted to Apex. Also their most popular streamer are Apex players and not streaming Apex actually make them losy lost their viewers.

>>3565838
Pekora explained why (she's a shitty VA), Rushia was in menhera mode for most of the year,
Suisei and Nene are actually the inexplicable ones.

>6/10 Holo
>1/10 Niji
How do we save them?

>>3566131
There's no saving them now that the Nijikiller has put her sights on them once again.
A shame, some of them were fine people, but such is life.

>>3566123
Nene only recently had her 3D, and there is currently another wave of COVID in Japan, which might explain it.

Suisei might not just want to be in Holograffiti I guess

>>3566131
Run from it, dread from it

It all ends the same

Shark kneels to the Rabbit

>>3566299
>Nene only recently had her 3D
Shit, that is true, I completely forgot about Nene having her 3D so far from her genmates

>another wave of COVID in Japan
That's irrelevant, the holos work on hologra from their home, they're only required to do some voice acting.

>>3565812
Or you could try not looking at one or two people to get an impression of what everyone is doing? I count around 20 different games being played that weren't apex just yesterday.

.flow, little nightmares 2, little nightmares, uma musume, pokemon snap, mother 2, valorant, shinymas, dead by daylight, league of legends, resident evil 7, ff14, resident evil village, portal 2, yakuza 0, monster hunter rise, beatmania, mooz, hitori kakurenbo

>>3565921
>same game
>Gura beats her
Whats your excuse now Pekofags? Nousagi KNEEL to the shark!!!

>>3566131
Save what? They are still doing fine. They are still the richest and biggest vtuber company in Japan. I don't why people keep mourning like Nijisanji is doomed when 774inc, React, still going on despite having far lower viewer than Nijisanji. They wouldn't go down like Upd8 and .Live. Those retard are special case.

>>3566320
But these are the numbers Pekora will never ever touch.

>>3566131
>Pekora and Gura alone at the top
Man, it feels like 2020 again. Weirdly nostalgic for it. Gura really was the only one that could compete with Pekora as far as numbers go when she was at her peak. I'd like to see her get back to that level. Would make for some fun bantz and maybe humble the arrogant Nousagi a little bit.

>>3566518
Cool, now show the superchats.

>>3566518
>Cumbabies proud that Gura wasn't able to get 200k viewers despite saying multiple times she will
RUMAO

>>3566518
Pekora got like 90k for her costume reveal, lol, pathetic. I think we know who the real queen of hololive is, and it isn't Pekora, it's the cunny shark!!!

>>3544351
Man, I didn't realize Haachama's stream got that high. Only saw it was at least 10k when she started singing.

>>3566564
>Subs queen:Gura
>SC queen:Rushia
>Live views queen:Pekora

Unity BTFO Nijis
This is the most important thing

>>3566673
You forgot about the REAL queen.

>>3566695
Nene may be the queen of soul but this is the numberfag thread sir. She is the queen of jack shit here, lol.

>>3566673
>being proud of dead subs and viewbots

Look chumkek, this level of cope is getting ridiculous.

>>3566749
>194k

>>3566749

>>3566749
Kek nousagi

Reminder that Pekora has 174 million youtube video views. In less than a year Gura is already at 110 million. By the end of the year Gura will pass Pekora in total video views and then your dumb rabbit is officially dead as the numbers queen.

Tick tock Nousagi

>>3566673
i agree with this

>>3565986
Finally, some good fucking numbers to fag about.

>>3566507
>still the richest and biggest vtuber company in Japan
Whatever helps you cope Nijinigger. They could be as big and rich as fucking Amazon for all I care. That doesn't change the fact that they get absolutely curb stomped by Hololive every single day, lol.

>>3566836
t. numbers illiterate

>>3566943
Well, enjoy your Ars and Rupiah akasupa and seanigger deadsubs.

>>3566978
How's that merch treating you?

>>3566507
How can they be richest and biggest when no one watched them? Do money just appear out of thin air for them? That doesn't even make any sense

>>3567118
That is the money they get from China since they were sold to bilibili.

>>3567118
Because superchat and membership are not their only income. JOP paypig mog any EOP and ESL at any metrics. Nijisanji have far diverse income source from merchandise, single, liveshow, sponsorship, TV right, voice pack, ASMR, Drama CD, etc.

>>3567211
>Nijis mentioned about Taiwan
>Chinks play dead
https://youtu.be/DgOWY5rPd2k

>>3567118
Sony money. They are underperforming since most of their top streamers right now play only Apex.

>>3567257
But Hololive has all of that stuff too in addition to dominating superchats amd memberships. You aren't really helping your case.

>>3567211
You can look up their investors quite easily with a google search and there is no bilibili there.

>>3567314
Because bilibili isn't an investor. They flat out own the company and run it.

>>3567300
Why is it you guys only ever mention Sony? They aren't even the biggest company invested in Ichikara to begin with. Is it just that its a name you know?

>>3565598
Does this count only A-chan when she appears with her avatar, or does it also count when she voice acts? Because I swear she voice acts something in like half the episodes, even if her actual model doesn't appear.

>>3567325
Wait, they do? I thought the only thing that they owned from Ichikara was the VirtuaReal?

>>3567382
Of course they don't. It's just a retard being retarded. Even small investments from companies like Sony and Itochu make big news, the company being outright bought out by another would definitely be huge.

>>3567382
and I am fairly sure its the opposite way around with VirtuaReal, Ichikara owns it but bilbili helps operates it.

>>3567304
>Hololive has all of that stuff too
But they don't? They don't have that many single and liveshow. They have practically zero visibility in Japanese TV. Their don't have that many sponsors and their merchandise is not as many as Nijisanji.
>>3567300
Apex is their biggest moneymaker, you dumbfuck.

>>3567460
>zero visibility in Japanese TV
Wasn't Sora on TV literally yesterday?
> their merchandise is not as many as Nijisanji.
Well, Nijisanji has 62542654266 members, so no shit Sherlock, but how many Nijis actually sell their merch? 4-5? And what about the holos?
>Apex is their biggest moneymaker, you dumbfuck.
This is absolutely true. The generic westerner still don't understand how big of a cash cow Apex is.

>>3567460
>They don't have that many single and liveshow.
I'm honestly curious as what Niji's how expansive Niji's discography is...

>>3567623
Not him but in terms of things that got/will get a phyiscal release I think I can remember. 1 company single, 3 company albums, Petit Fleurs album, Rain Drops 2 albums and a single, Higuchi Kaede 3 singles and album, Mito 1 single and an upcoming album, Kazaki Morinaka upcoming album, Trinity 1 single. There are loads of digital releases too but I can't really be bothered to count all those up.

>>3566673
Fuck nijiniggers

>>3566749
slimy nijinigger fingers wrote this post.

>>3564073
Not the 3D, but she may have paid for the dance lessons, since she was doing a fucking lot of them in preparation for it.

>>3567444
Foreign companies own absolutely nothing in China. They all have to work on a 50/50 partnership with local chinese companies to operate in their market. That's why it is so easy for chinese branches to backstab their parent companies and become their own thing.