/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

16 thousand based individuals watching a sheep filling a hole with sand for 7 hours

Kanae was so sexy playing Resident evil. Fuck my pussy please.

>>3427838
>16k people watched yet another day of Watame placing sand

She keeps getting away with it!

>>3428586
it's basically a zatsudan.

>>3428748
Its kinda like an utawaku that you just put in the background and listen to the fluffy sheep talking.

And there's not really too much other options in that time slot anyway.

>>3428586
How many people were watching Fubuki's hole back then?

>>3427838

So with DFM beating C9, can we expect more League streams from Japan? I know Kuzuha was in a clash tourney recently but can we expect in general, MORE streams of League?

>>3427838
toya lowkey a powerhouse

>>3438717
it's all in the chin, baby

>>3438717
Toya is strong tho. Its just that this board only cares about ChroNoir and that one guy who keeps hyping Hal up. Also that one thread last time about the androgynous Niji that isn't Ryushen.

>>3438778
the only occasional mentions of zuha in number threads are by people who don't/never will watch him and just want to shitpost about his supposed recline.

>>3439144
In number threads maybe, but outside of it there's some APEX posters and that thread talking about male vtubers that had fujos talking about them, which naturally devolved into why is ok to talk about chicks being hot but not dudes discussion.

Gura: 194,140 (05/06/21)
Noel: 140,116 (10/21/20)
Marine: 137,900 (10/18/20)
Calli: 135,527 (05/03/21)
Nene: 111,367 (01/31/21)*
Ame: 101,843 (05/07/21)
Ayame: 109,792 (05/02/21)
Shion: 101,171 (11/15/20)
Pekora: 91,287 (04/01/21)*
Ina: 90,965 (05/05/21)
Coco: 89,292 (04/23/21)
Kanata: 89,262 (05/05/21)
Haato: 89,157 (10/26/20)
Botan (NY): 87,266 (01/01/21)
Polka (NY): 85,588 (01/01/21)
Watame: 85,281 (05/03/21)
Kanata (NY): 84,711 (01/01/21)
Aqua: 77,841 (09/26/20)
Flare: 77,032 (11/14/20)
Towa: 74,527 (05/04/21)
Suisei: 73,873 (11/12/20)
Lamy (NY): 71,835 (01/01/21)
Kiara: 71,108 (05/04/21)
Watame (NY): 69,129 (01/01/21)
Luna (NY): 67,029 (01/01/21)
Miko: 66,310 (03/06/21)
Rushia: 64,944 (06/16/20)
Coco (NY): 61,947 (01/01/21)
Towa (NY): 57,174 (01/01/21)
Matsuri: 49,961 (10/28/21)
Choco: 48,086 (10/25/20)
Fubuki: 42,823 (08/01/20)
Aki: 32,935 (12/04/20)
Sora: 31,552 (03/03/21)
Mel: 21,883 (08/28/20)
Azki: 18,106 (02/23/21)
Risu: 11,467 (08/16/20)
Iofi: 10,891 (08/16/20)
Moona: 8,648 (08/16/20)

>>3427838
Numberfag time. Ame has the slowest subscriber growth of all Holo EN girls.

>>3439685
And gives off the vibe of someone who eats in bed

Gura: 194,140 (05/06/21)
Noel: 140,116 (10/21/20)
Marine: 137,900 (10/18/20)
Calli: 135,527 (05/03/21)
Nene: 111,367 (01/31/21)*
Ayame: 109,792 (05/02/21)
Ame: 101,843 (05/07/21)
Shion: 101,171 (11/15/20)
Pekora: 91,287 (04/01/21)*
Ina: 90,965 (05/05/21)
Coco: 89,292 (04/23/21)
Kanata: 89,262 (05/05/21)
Haato: 89,157 (10/26/20)
Botan (NY): 87,266 (01/01/21)
Polka (NY): 85,588 (01/01/21)
Watame: 85,281 (05/03/21)
Kanata (NY): 84,711 (01/01/21)
Aqua: 77,841 (09/26/20)
Flare: 77,032 (11/14/20)
Towa: 74,527 (05/04/21)
Suisei: 73,873 (11/12/20)
Lamy (NY): 71,835 (01/01/21)
Kiara: 71,108 (05/04/21)
Watame (NY): 69,129 (01/01/21)
Luna (NY): 67,029 (01/01/21)
Miko: 66,310 (03/06/21)
Rushia: 64,944 (06/16/20)
Coco (NY): 61,947 (01/01/21)
Towa (NY): 57,174 (01/01/21)
Matsuri: 49,961 (10/28/21)
Choco: 48,086 (10/25/20)
Fubuki: 42,823 (08/01/20)
Aki: 32,935 (12/04/20)
Sora: 31,552 (03/03/21)
Mel: 21,883 (08/28/20)
Azki: 18,106 (02/23/21)
Risu: 11,467 (08/16/20)
Iofi: 10,891 (08/16/20)
Moona: 8,648 (08/16/20)

>>3439581
fair, my bad. i misunderstood what you were referring to. i feel like lately there's been a bit more variation in which males get brought up though but who knows how long that'll last.

>>3439581
We need some thread about male vtubers from niji in general

>>3427838
Another day of Nijilosers losing to Hololive. Why do they even bother anymore? There'll be nothing left for them after the shooting game fad fades away because that's the only thing that gets them noticable numbers.

>>3440537
They don't tend to last very long.

>>3430070
I kneel holochads

>>3438778
doesn't stream often enough for it to be noticeable to people that dont watch probably

The King of Vtuber

>>3441567
our precious record nijibros...

>>3441567
Migo....

>>3441567
when are they going to break another 100k?

>>3441567
Hololive has been blessed.

>>3441567
>King of Vtubers
This song by Gura kind of fits now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVs5to5-Dg

>>3427838
I would find another site to use that isn't VNUMA. They had Gura listed at 175k yesterday when she actually got 194k. Also, Ame crossed over the 100k barrier and got around 102k. VNUMA's numbers aren't accurate.

Also, another day of Nijisanji just getting absolutely dunked on. They should just cease their operations and leave vtubing. It's getting sad at this point.

>>3441567
And now the death of Nijisanji is official

>>3444116
It's fine for any stream that isn't an outfit reveal, it's just because those have such short peaks that it struggles to pick up the real highest number

>>3441847
its been already 5 months...

>>3441567
I kneel to our rhombus King

>>3444116
holostats is way better https://holo.poi.cat/stream/vLSfo0tdIgU

>>3441567
Sponsored, tv ads, Stacked roster, tourney
Outdone by a reclining shark

>>3441567
THE MERCH NOOOOO

>>3444278
That's just for holo though

>>3444208
"Fine" isn't good enough. Nijiniggers must see every throbbing nanometer of our footlong holococks

>>3444303
Well the viewership charts that get posted here are 95% holo too so the change wouldn't be that drastic, lol

>>3444315
Amen brother! It feels good knowing that we picked the right side in this battle. Holo Strong!!!!

>>3427838
when was the last time nijisanji got first place?

>>3428586
sheep is too powerful

>>3441567
sad thing is she could've easily broken 200k but, but she rushed the reveal

>>3445227

anon....she just want to save the guys who bet to burn his entire SNES cartridge collection if gura costume reveal reached 200k liveviews

>>3444519
One of their random whores had a 3d debut that hit 64k and topped the chart. However even that was rendered a complete joke when the very next day Nene had a 3d debut that hit over 90k. Must be sad to be a Nijinigger.

>>3445515
God damn Nene. Inclining so hard she's destroying everything around her without any remorse.

Himawari...

>>3445722
Holy KEK

I'm literally gonna nuke middle East and kill every math profs if I see numbers ever again. Meaningless shits

>>3438666
I hope so. I miss Aqua's streams.

>>3440064
Fagot, while it's obvious these numbers are all related, you should at least directly specify what you are comparing.

Failure of a numberfag...

>>3444303
VTStats when?

>>3441567
Remember the Niji stream was before bug too rumao

>>3444287
Have you got any evidence of the TV ads? Never seen this mentioned before and there is now way it wouldn't have been used to discredit Nijisanji having the higher number before. Not sure how sponsored is relevant either half the time sponsorships result in less viewers unless it is something actually interesting.

>>3441567
How do you get to this page? I can only access the top live streams overall page, not for vtubers alone.

>>3446120
If we're going to go there, so was Miko's, so it sort of evens out. If SportFes was broadcast under one channel, it might have set the record though.

>>3444116
>>3441567
>>3441628
>>3444143
>>3445515
>>3445722
>>3446120
You are all extremely pathetic people. Imagine being so butthurt against other people and an agency at that point.

Tribalism is a sickness. Pure sickness. And you all make this worse than console tribalism, because you are all talking about individuals that never did anything to you, not just corporations.

Vtubers aren't people to you, they are numbers. They only are valued by this. If Pekora or Gura had 1k watching them, most of you wouldn't give a shit about them, much like you all did for Kizuna Ai and old generation vtubers.

So fuck the hell off all of you with that disgusting mentality. Instead of cheering for people and see positivities about how many of those girls and boys have sizeable numbers for streamers even outside of vtubing, you all just try to make them less and argument against everything. I pity all of you that display this BS.

>>3446265
didn't read
probably an assblasted nijinigger
stay mad lmao

>>3446265
Take your meds nijiniggers-kun

>>3446265
Based. Fuck tribalists and their bullshit. I love vtubers and the people behind them as streamers, not agencies.

>>3446328
To be fair though, if it was 2 years ago, these same kinds of people should be saying the exact same "why are they even trying they should give up, hololive is dead!" shit about Hololive shouldn't they?

Back when Fubuki was probably getting the most viewser out of all of them at around 2k while most of the others in her gen struggled to break 1k quite often. And most of them struggled to break 100k even after a year of streaming.

>>3446265
Nijicope

>>3446328
>>3446338
>>3446399
>>3446398
I wouldn't do that because I watch hololive, nijisanji, voms, 774, react and all type of vtubers. My only problem is all of what I said: It's ridiculous that tribalism exists in vtuber and it makes me extremely sad as it's a medium I like, with a ton of talented people, be reduced to numbers and agency, even when those same people have numbers above the average on the streaming world.
I know this is 4chan, it's the worst of all internet, with a lot of trolling and people that just come here to put everything they can't say in other places, but I would expect people on a dedicated vtuber board to not act like that all the time like fucking console war faggots with human beings as base.
Every time I read those kind of things, I just wish hololive and nijisanji stopped to exist. I don't even need to cite the rest because they barely are mentioned and have their existence recognized in the west, but those two, which I love many of the people in both, could be free and I wouldn't have to see a bunch of retarded imbecile with this stupid mindset fighting and seething over two companies that regardless of anything are making more money than all of those tribalists together in their fiscal years.

>>3446398
The whole X is dead because they don't have the biggest numbers in the industry currently thing becomes kind of ridiculous to begin with when you consider both Hololive and Nijisanji built up to the size of where they are today with much smaller numbers. They should have both been dead a long time ago if that were the case. Not to mention smaller companies like 774 or .LIVE or any of the others that go on operating for years not even dreaming of hitting a number of 100k let alone 190k.

>>3446265
Cry is free nijinigger

Nijiniggers outside their general hugbox are just mindbroken at this point. Paragraphs and paragraphs of rambling.

>>3446511
If the tribalism shit offends you that much then coming to a thread for numberfagging probably isn't the greatest idea. The topic itself is one of the most prone to falling into that kind of shit to begin with. Better off sticking to the threads that are actually about the topics you are interested in.

>>3446517
Exactly. It's amazing how those faggots can't recognize that outside of Hololive and Nijisanji, no other agency can even reach 20k. THose two are on completely different level.

Hololive got a lot bigger? It got. It has a lot of fanbase in JP and also overseas, while Nijisanji has mostly on it on JP. But both are doing well, way above most streamers in average, EVEN the lowest ones from both companies that those imbeciles talk to retire.

>>3446511
You can go to reddit if you want fake positivity niggers-chan

>>3429915
I could stare a whole day watching her hole

>>3446150
Everytime I have asked for evidence of the TV ads for this Nijisanji thread it seems the post just gets ignored. Starting to guess at this point they didn't exist and its some guy hoping if he repeats it enough people will just believe it is true?

>>3446651
>thread
meant to say stream

>>3446565
I'm masochist so I have to see that shit. I probably shouldn't expect better from 4chan, but I know a lot of people who post on here are also posting on other places like discord and reddit, just hiding their true opinion.

>>3446150
There's no proof whatsoever

>second to reveal outfit 4 days ago
>already dead last in views
Is Kiara salvageable?

>>3446511
Reeks of KFP and Nijinig, return to reddit

>>3446742
Seems like she is doing fine to me, 99% of vtubers would be lucky to get even half of that.

>>3441567
YES

>>3427838
Can you guys at least start gathering numbers that any retard can't get by opening vnuma? Like superchats distribution by currency, that table with viewers commenting in different members chats, maybe start counting view hours, most common words in chat and what not.
I've also been reminded about that thing YouTube has with streams sorted by viewers in a certain region. It does not show the exact number but you can see where the upper bound is. Would be nice to may be look into it a bit more.

>>3446785
>gets 194k peak
>averages 10k
Wut?

>>3446804
We've had threads with much deeper analysis than this console war garbage, just wait a couple of days for the EN costume fallout to blow over and these retards will go back to global

>>3446804
Be the change you want to see~

>>3446848
Anon, your demographics reps...

Gura's fans don't necessarily play MH type games.

>>3446852
I am a retard myself, sorry. Will think of something when I'll get more free time.
>>3446850
I only remember numbers brought here from Reddit and 5ch and that Gura guy but you're probably right and it'll get better.

>>3446910
they only watch for games?

>>3445722
I watched HImawari and her numbers were much bigger than that. About 4k.

>>3446265
You reap what you fucking sow.
Nijikeks used to do this all the time back in 2019, putting Hololive down ans using any chance they had to point and laugh.
And now that the tables turned, you want unity?
Fuck off, beggar. You had your time in the sun, now back into irrelevancy you go

nothing like checking the mental illness thread on the mental illness board early in the morning

>>3448006
You weren't even watching vtubers in 2019.

>>3446265
it's only tribalism when you're on the losing side, kek

>>3446671
how many more times are you going to reply to yourself, schizo?

>>3446804
try doing it yourself instead of asking other anons

>>3427838

I have received word that Lulu of Nijisanji is doing an outfit reveal right now

>>3449372
MSI and CR Cup scrims are on tho...

>>3449435
Well sucks to be her then. Still going to be used for numberfagging comparisons

>>3449372
Good thing half the company is streaming during her costume reveal.

>>3449519
There isnt really much point to be honest, nijisanji has so many members that it isn't some big thing in terms of the company when someone gets a new costume, it happens all the time. You get some boost from it but most of the fanbase that isn't already at least somewhat interested in you isnt going to care

>>3449672
Holy Nijicope

>>3449372
Got nothing against Nijis but their costumes are kinda boring, uninspired. They really should hire better designers in my opinion.

>>3449672
No company unity, then again it's hard to wrangle 100+ talents without them getting pissed not being able to stream during prime time.

>>3450192
If you started doing that for half the stuff holo can you would never have anyone streaming during primetime.

>>3430070
This stream has more people watching it than any free 3D concerts and events Cover and Ichikara has ever put out with 1/10th of the effort. Why even try anymore. EN is clearly the way.

>>3438778
I don't watch him but I recall the fact that he's a based lolicon. Is there a reason as for why he's so popular?

>>3450545
he's actually entertaining, for starters

>>3448006
Why do you pretend to know anything at all about vtubing beyond holoEN

>>3450545
I think he is quite widely considered the best male at zatsudan type content in the company.

>>3450545
he does only sparse, special streams. Been months since any real gaming.

>>3450545
>good storyteller
>bantz with chat
>charming dude
But as any other niji, eops are gonna get filtered.
There's a pretty good touya focused subbed clipper though.

>>3449519

>>3450923
Does he stream as a hobby because he's already making bank from sponsors or some shit

>>3447048
It was on the date of monhun update, people who like the game was grinding for new contents. But in the end the VoD views that video is still roughly the same for her monhun streams so they did watch it later, regardless.

>>3450952
Ouch.

>>3446265
Nijiniggers aren't even trying anymore. The Nijiniggers of old would at least try to counter their terrible performance on these viewership chart with something like "MUH MERCH". The state of modern Nijisanji is just sad.

And yes, I hope every chuuba in Nijisanji gets 0 viewers, retires, and are never heard from again.

>>3446804
These threads are a lot more interesting towards the beginning of the month when all the monthly rankings, charts, and numbers come out. The daily threads are mainly just VNUMA viewership numbers.

>>3451892
I mean if you wanted to compare merch you can look at how Hololive's group album did compared to Nijisanji's last one? After two weeks Hololive's sits at about 16k sold which is under half of what Nijisanji's ended up selling.

>>3446848
>Averages 10k
Nice try but that is cherry picked as hell. Her fanbase just doesn't seem to give a flip about Monster Hunter. Playboard has her actual average viewers.

>>3452057
>muh physical merch
there he is! >>3451892

>>3452118
Not sure what your quotation means. It's just about the only kind of merchandise we can get real actual sales numbers for and Nijisanji appears to have done far better in it.

>>3450952
>13k viewers
WOW, that is just pathetic after the numbers we've seen from Hololive. Just absolutely depressing numbers. She should retire. I don't know how you see your competition putting up near 200k on costume reveals while you only put up 13k. Even the "poor" performers in hololive (Kiara, Towa) put up 70k + during their costume reveals.

>>3452326
I know you're just shitposting but there were 20 costume reveals in April, 17 in March, 14 in February, and 20 more in January. Along with 3D debuts almost every week. There's no way to draw big audience with something that happens with such frequency. On the positive side the members have more unique outfits/more people have 3D.
Speaking of that, they've done brushups of 3D models for the older members, some sort of 3D 2.0 or 1.1, so it allows us to speculate that their modelling department went through all the work for 3D debuts and has nothing to do. So we kinda can expect seeing more alternative 3D models in the near future.

>>3452178
I buy music cds all the time and i didn't buy the holo album because the extra goodies aren't really good and i already bought the digital version. Also the album lack some of holo top singers too.

The niji album is more enticing because it had far better extras and more of niji best singers bundled with it. Holo album underperforming is more of a marketing problem imo.

>>3452720
Man, at this point, seeing you cope this hard just makes me sad. Holo just did a shitload of outfit reveal streams back to back and they got a shitload of viewers. People don't just not watch your streams because you do too much outfit reveal. That's not how it works.

>>3452960
>I know you're just shitposting

>>3450952
>13k peak live views
>being streamed over by most of the agency
What is wrong with Niji? Do they just not give a fuck about their talent or what?

At least with Hololive they try to make a concerted effort to promote their talent and bring up their numbers. Just look at the debut and fashion week.

What a waste...

>>3448006
this, they totally deserve all this mocking

>>3453974
Assuming this guy is giving correct numbers >>3452720 if you are going to stop everyone from streaming for outfit reveals then you would have already had around 80 out of 120ish days this year when nobody out of hundreds of people can stream for the sake of one person.

>>3454113
lol it's just an hour anon, they could still stream in the day

>>3446511
>It's ridiculous that tribalism exists
Honestly, the number threads are pretty tame compared to the other threads here. Because the other threads more often target specific streamers (so everyone gets targeted), while this is a bit more including (at least right now), so it comes off as less tribal, because it’s company vs company. Honestly, that’s not nearly as bad. But given that you like nijisanji, I can see you would feel less included right now.

>>3454221
So you think its reasonable to stop 100s of people streaming at the best time of day on the majority of days of the year for the sake of one person? You are then intentionally pushing down 100s of people for the sake of one the majority of the time.

>>3454302
tell me one day where all the 100 nijis all streamed

>>3453974
I heard nijisanji vtubers have to paid for their new outfits from their own pocket, if this shit is true then the least Ichikara could do is shill the reveal stream but looking at the official twitter they don't even do that

>>3454404
I don't really see how that is relevant. Is it really reasonable in your opinion to stop the majority of your talent streaming at the best time on the majority of days for the sake of one person? Would you really want to work at a company where you could almost never make use of the best time of the day to stream. It would be active sabotage of all the talents.

>>3454221
Adding to what the other guy said HoloJP didn't stop their streams during EN reveals either.
But, from what it looks like they are obliged not to stream if it's someone from their branch. Corporate enforcement doesn't feel like a family bond to me.

>>3454667
I think that's always been the crux of the problem with Nijisanji. There's just too many of them that you can't really coordinate shit consistently. The thing though is something like a fashion week is doable. I mean it's not like everyone in Niji streams all the time. We even have livers who have been gone for months now. Have them do it like a fashion show or something. Have Mito or Deron run commentary and have the low ranking chuubas get some shine and run with the top talents. Hell, throw in the ID and KR branches. Maybe they can get a PekoMoona moment.

>>3454779
>corporate enforcement
no lol, ayame is one holo known to keep streaming over others' specials without caring much; + at this very outfits week Botan and Coco kept streaming for 20 or 30 minutes into one of those Outfit Reveals (i think it was Towa's?), because they had to finish their games.

>>3455008
Yeah but then people would cry about favoritism and unequal treatment if you didn't do it for everybody. Why did so and so get their new outfit to be featured in this big thing while the rest of the peasants all get streamed over.

>>3454302
>>3454667
It's not unreasonable if you want to increase the spotlight on your talents. It also makes you look better in the eyes of future prospective talent, since they can see that you are willing to boost them when push comes to shove.

I honestly wonder if this is how it's going to be for NijiEN where they just throw them out there and hope for the best without making some form of concerted effort to promote them...

>>3455178
to be fair iirc ojou did it only once and she said she didnt know. Also, Rushia is another who streamed over one of those, just to finish her superchats and after asking her listeners and management if they were ok with it.

>>3455304
It doesn't make you look better in the eyes of future talent at all. Why would you want to work at a company that spends most of the year stopping you from achieving your best results besides the one day where they let you

>>3455210
I doubt that'd ever be a problem if they focus on the lower tier chuubas with the top ones providing support like commentary or coaching.

Just imagine for a second. A fashion show that extends 2-3 days and runs a minimum of 3 hours. Each chuuba gets their 7 mins to shine. Deducting a pre and post show of 30 min. That's 20 chuubas per day minimum and a total of 60 chuubas overall that would have an audience of at least 50k viewers at the minimum who might decide to check them out just from their design alone. You can't tell me that's not at least a net positive. Yes Niji's overcrowded roster is a debuff but there's so many ways to turn it into a strength that I sometimes wonder if Ichikara is actually less competent than Cover aside from "muh merch"

>>3455677
The idea still isn't making sense to me. 7 minutes for an outfit reveal and preparing 60 of them for the same time? What about the superchat? You can only milk so much out of a fanbase in one go.

>>3455677
I got tired just from reading it. Crowding a bunch of people together doesnt mean it would be fun.

>>3455844
It's not about the superchat anon. It's the exposure that counts. With a roster that big, you can't realistically have people check all of them. So the best option would be to lure the audience in with your design and maybe get some people to check your channel. Yes, I know some Nijis have rather bland designs but since this is a hypothetical fashion week than that shouldn't be a problem

>>3455677
You may have not been watching Nijisanji that often then cause you'd know that it would've been an impossible thing to do. A lot of their talents' content is mostly Apex so they don't have time for that shit.

>>3449372
>>3449570
>>3449435
>>3450952
Nijisanji manages to make Cover look like a competent company, impressive.

>>3455677
I would agree that they could be doing more stuff as a group though. It really seems to be lacking recently. Not much in the way of company tournaments like last year where they seemed to happen all the time. But they do still have plenty of opportunities for the smaller talents to access the larger overall fanbase. Their ongoing shows like levergacha, nijiquiz, and nijibara quite often feature smaller talents alongside the bigger ones. They upload clips to their main channels that feature the smaller members quite frequently. They have things like the company radio show which quite often combines less well known members with more well known ones.

>>3455900
Hence why Iinchou would run commentary. If Fubuki was able to draw 60k people with a countdown stream for two hags oversleeping than this should be doable.

>>3455677
Hololive numbers are purely from outside sources. Hololive is not popular because of Cover's management. They are popular because of pure meme power and and legion of Chink and Seanigger clipper. And the only Japanese Vtuber company that have En branch. Even with all those, Cover show the blatant incompetency as we can see in rigger incidents. Ichikara has better management compared to Cover in regard of number original music, merchandise, cover, liveshow, 3D rigging and model, tv show, collaboration, tournament, etc. They are far more important than number in youtube page. Hololive/Cover is an idol company and I have yet to see Cover did anything Idol like. Funny Nijisanji is better "Idol" company than Hololive.

>>3456169
She's not as talented as Fubuki though.

>>3456027
I doubt that whoever is paying for the models thinks that exposure is all that counts.

>>3456192
Nijinigger, please.

>>3456027
>lure the audience
Lure them with what? Males larping as teenage anime fagboys and literal whores? Good luck with that.

>>3454302
Yes, Hololive did it for the outfit reveal, why can't nijisanji?

>>3456121
If you're judging competence by numbers then by that definition there is no vtuber companies more competent than Cover and there's no questions left. And Nijisanji is at the end of list of companies that make Cover look like a competent one.

>>3456367
Hololive has hundreds of talents doing outfit reveals more days than not all year around?

>>3456367
>Hololive did it
Except they didn't.

>>3456367
>Hololive did it for the outfit reveal
Did what?

>>3456121
>Nijisanji manages
I don't think the word manage exists in their vocabulary. They overworked Lulu till she fainted live on stream, abandoned Gibara and forced her to graduate and just recently overworked Ange and got hospitalized.

>>3456192
At some point you have to recognize that there is a world outside of Japan. As much as Nijisanji is dominant there (which might soon become debatable with the rise of Pekora) if they lose everywhere else then it's a moot point. Look, anon. I'm just saying that if Nijisanji wants to continue to grow, sooner or later they're gonna have to extend their reach to the overseas market which is what they're attempting to do right now. And if Cover beats them to the punch then they're stuck. It's like XBox and Playstation. Quality of games not withstanding, the reason why xbox doesn't grow despite all of the moves that they've done is because sony already has the rest of the world in their grip. And if Ichikara isn't careful then they're going to find themselves in the same situation.

>>3456371
I'm judging competence by the fact that Cover turns outfits reveals into events with very high views and superchat returns, and the girls support each other by announcing the event, encouraging their viewers to check out the others, and not streaming at the same time. Nijisanji just throws some outfit together and that's it, no hype, no support, nothing.

>>3456565
You just managed to contradict yourself in a single post.

>>3456451
I mean, they kind of did. The number of people streaming during the outfit reveals was drastically reduced from what it usually is during prime time. Also, the ones that were streaming were streams that went long so they could finish the game like the MonHun collab. I'm sure they had to get permission from management to do that

>>3456121
Ichikara (as a company) is far more resourceful and competent no matter how you look at it.

However, they're shit tier at managing their talents, which is why they're often left on their own and you even end up with those occasional leaks about cliques, infighting and all that.

>>3456565
Aloetard, can you stop make the exact same shit your dumb oshi did a year ago? Delta herself apologized for making shit up. Nobody overworked Lulu. She was the one who did that to herself and that was years ago. Gibara tired of streaming and only did members stream for 3 months before retired. Ange was hospitalized because of bad eating and sleeping habit.

>>3456565
Nice narratives.

>>3456624
This, you even had the JP girls tweeting out screenshots and fangirling over the EN outfit reveals. How many Niji's promoted Lulu's outfit reveal like that? Watame even did a live reaction to Calli's reveal since it happened right after hers.

>>3456729
It literally happened last year...

>>3455403
Are you being purposely obtuse? What makes you think that you only need to spend one day per talent to promote a given debut or special event? Prime time is two to four hours long and NijisanjiJP doesn't even have so many people that it would take them 1/2 a year to do this. In fact, with proper scheduling this could be one in little over a month... even less if you feel like rushing. This is just a trivial logistical issue for a broadcasting company (yes, these talent agencies are broadcasting companies).

>>3446265
Most holofags are tribalistic /v/edditors and /pol/lacks there's no point in arguing with them

>>3456624
Did anyone compared usual superchat earnings to outfit reveal streams for Hololive and Nijisanji? You can't say that ones got more attention in that regard than the others if Hololive girls get almost as much in superchats on any of their streams(and they do). And views are gotten at the expence of the others, which is again, not the way you would want your company to operate unless you are the company yourself.

>>3456804
I honestly have no idea what you are even trying to suggest here now. The company prepares 100s of outfits, multiple for many people, that usually they would be working on year round for a single month and then streams them back to back every single night? In what world does that seem like a logical way to do things.

>>3456755
is that really niji's fault?
i feel like if lulu had a lot of friends in niji they'd do all of that without the company asking them for it.
maybe she just never really clicked with anyone in the company on a personal level?

>>3456755
That's not fair. You really can't blame Nijis on this one since they're busy with their Apex tourney practice.

>>3440064
Pekora doesn't even have an official new outfit yet. Her jail one is just her own project who was presented in April Fool's Day without any previous shilling. She just made that Peko News episode and it wasn't even clear she was gonna show something new. Still, she got over 90k viewers. Imagine if she and the inepts at Cover would actually hype her upcoming new L2D. I bet she would get at least 150k

>>3456895
Girls get views at the expense of others?
They support their members. They rise every one up and ask their viewers to watch the reveal. It's called camaraderie.

>>3456729
>delta apologized
I wonder why, how many death threats made to her and her family at their personal phones did that take?

>>3456601
The problems is, it's impossible to copy Cover way of success. Hololive success is from without not within. Collab with Azure Lane introduced Cover to Chink and they make tonne of meme of it. And then we have Fubuki's Scatman, Miko's GTA shenanigans and Coco and Pekora. None of this is Cover move except maybe Azure Lane collab. Maybe Nijisanji should try collab with Mihoyo in Genshin Impact and one of the Livers make some meme video. Even with all that, you have to consider about the most important for EOP but widely disregard which is Chat. Compare Hololive chat with Nijisanji chat. Hololive is full english chat with shitty meme spammed over and over. While Nijisanji is just Japanese. And that scared EOP and turn them away from Nijisanji.

>>3456823
>>3456192

>>3457008
And then you call it leaching.

>>3457033
If only Dedechi checked whatever shitty rrat she heard before she said anything.

>>3450923
>real gaming.
What do you consider “real gaming,” because he plays a game during almost every stream.

>>3457053
This depends on the community. It's very easy to police each other and calm everyone down with the spamming. The hologirls are eop friendly because they have live translators. They also get a shit ton of clips highlighting every stream. It's not just 3 or 4 moments. It's a database already of events. Neighbor wars. MC build relay. MK tournament. Sports Fest. Among Us. Gen 3 collabs. Mio's collabs like the holo kindergarten. It's a lot. Nijisanji doesn't get a lot of that.

>>3457053
>Hololive is full english chat
lmao try actually watching some streams for once

>>3456945
Not really their fault but it's hard to argue that they're the better company if their management did nothing against clique and bully cultures that is still pervasive till today.

>>3456944
Fashion show anon here. Not the same person you're replying to, and I agree that doing it the way you outlined would be a nightmare. Hence why I suggested at best, only 60 chuubas in a 3 day span with most getting 7-10 minutes. I mean how different is that really from giant collabs that Nijisanji has already done in the past? The only difference is that the lower end chuubas are the focus instead of the big shots.

>>3457149
The only people that call it leaching are either newbies or people that hate the person that is getting the attention. If it's a person that they like you won't get this accusations. Asacoco is built around introducing and highlighting their talents. It started the whole trend of supporting each other.

>>3457215
yeah that's true, you can't really force friendships but you can keep toxic behavior and bulling to a minimum, at least within the company.

>>3457250
There are plenty of big collabs where the lower end members become the focus in the past already though. Their last two major tournaments were won by sub 1000 viewer streamers.

>>3456895
>And views are gotten at the expence of the others, which is again, not the way you would want your company to operate unless you are the company yourself.
A big event will bring more viewers, no doubt about it. Even assuming it amounts to the same viewers overall, creating a big event with 100K viewers is far better than countless small streams for the company. A big event brings in the hype and exposure to many new viewers who suddenly see a big stream pop up in trends, check it out and get hooked.

Reminder that this is a NUMBERFAG thread, you retards. Go take your rrats and what-ifs elsewhere.
Today's numbers on the picture.

>>3456601
They already got caught with their pants down, got punched square in the jaw and got left staggering. The moment that they saw HoloEN being announced, they should have started auditions in NA/EU. But no, they decided that rebranding some pajeet branch was going to solve their competition problem for them and that the Anglosphere would follow. It took them two whole months after the first few weeks of EN to realize that they're fucking retards and only then did they start actual EN auditions... we still have no NijiEN debuts to this day.

For all the investment that Sony did on them -however little-, maybe actually buying them up and managing them themselves would have actually been better seeing they at least know how to handle demographic expansion.

>>3446729
If you think people are being truthful on here in their entirety, and cant take the shit on here, you should head back to re.ddit. Some people just post shit on here to shitpost in a sea of shit.Numberfagging is the least of the bad shit on here.

>>3457186
Yeah. Community play very big part of that. And normalfag and redditor hivemind pull all the clipper and translation community to Hololive. It's like a blackhole.

>>3457416
Watson's Takeover, did she shit herself again on that karaoke?

>>3457416
honestly poor lulu, number 13 for a fucking outfit reveal.
this is unfair.

>>3457312
From what Lamy explained. Management always ask them to prioritize working with your genmates and to space out collabing with the same people over and over. Subaru has already shared that they do hosts offstream practice games a lot. People you don't normally see playing together do play together in private.
Niji is big. They can even do their own Apex tourney with some people to spare. I just wished they themselves promoted each other more. Like freaking add the other niji talents in your own subscriptions page. Everyone in Cover does this except for Luna for some reason.

>>3457454
>Sony
Fuck no. Did you saw what they do to Kaguya Luna?

>>3457416
Based nocturnal sheep charting two days in a row with one stream

>>3457346
True, but for some reason I still think it's lacking. Maybe I'm just being way too optimistic after seeing Nenechi getting her turn in the spotlight after being the runt of Gen 5 for so long. It really makes me want to think that some chuubas (corporate or otherwise) just needs that one break to finally shine.

>>3457215
>that is still pervasive till today.
Examples?

>>3457555
Do you really think that matters or would make a big difference? Adding hundreds of people to a tab that hardly anyone looks at to begin with?

>>3457250
That requires teamwork and the thing is Nijis are known to not have a strong cohesiveness among its members. Remember the singing relay they did and some disgruntled cat decided to stream one of her own in protest which ruined the event for everone?

>>3457584

>>3457555
>I just wished they themselves promoted each other more.
There are plenty of groups of friends who do do so...

>>3457647
You guys will really try twist anything into something malicious.

>>3457454
The west is lost for Njji, they really dropped the ball. Not saying NijiEN is going to be a failure, but they will be more of a niche thing and won't approach the staggering levels of success HoloEN has. Their best chance to gain a foothold will be to organize collabs with other western vtubers which HoloEN has seemed unwilling to do, like with Vshoujo.

>>3457599
The problem is Niji has a ton of Nenes in their roster. A number of vtubers that you think are great and consistent but just can't catch a break. If the market is already locked in then targeting other markets are better... which is of course the EOP, Russians and Latins and EU. I just kind of wished they didn't use Fucking Lost Pause to do that.

>>3457712
I want to think it’s a shitpost

>>3457712
this is a house built on rrrats, it's rrrrats all the way down.

>>3457647
Source?

>>3457555
There's a few in hololive that don't and it seems to be the ones that have a significant number of antis, Coco, Haachama and Korone all don't
>>3457624
It made a huge difference for me when I first got into v-tubers early last year, a simple list of links to everyone's channel complete with first names in romaji as opposed to trying to find 御伽原江良 or 椎名唯華's channel when nobody fucking links them

>>3457624
To a newbie yes. Because at this point. That's is how they are going get more ground. Getting more people in. That's how I learned about all of the other Hologirls. I just checked their subscriptions.

>>3457516
Numberfags like us are the saints of this board. We just like to discuss numbers and we enjoy the bantz between holofags and Nijiniggers. We aren't the ones trying to force Ollie to quit because of some made up story of her getting fucked on stream.

>>3456945
Yes, it IS nijis fault. They're an agency and it is incumbent upon them to promote their talent. Say what you will about Hololive and idol culture this or other; if there is one thing that Holo has on Niji is that they know how to promote their talent. They created a culture and environment where their talent are spotlighted, partnered and made to grow by themselves and off of each other; a collective, concerted effort.

If Cover "sumaru tekunoroji kompani, prease unadstand" Corp could do it, then Sony-backed Ichikara can too. That they don't is simply their failure as a talent/promotion company.

>>3454221
Anon this is a part time hobby for many of them in niji, as I recall they don't get paid a salary,and many have part time jobs. Its very possible they have limited streaming hours possible.

>>3457762
Maybe it is, but people are actually retarded enough to believe this stuff as is evident by half of the nonsense you see getting repeated as if it were fact nowadays.

>>3457758
Lost Pause, now that's a name I haven't heard in a long long time.

>>3457555
>Niji doesn't promote other talents on subscription pages
>Every Holo does this
>Except Luna
>Niji doesn't promote on subscription pages
>Every Holo except Luna
Top Kek

>>3457685
That's why Nijis are being accused of having cliques.

>>3457817
Collabs and clips are more effective for that

>>3457823
Cover aren't a small indie company though. They have just as many employees as Ichikara and multiple large companies backing them as investors.

>>3457778
Look for Noraneko of Nijisanji singing relay

>>3457907
Which is retarded

>>3457730
I think the best way for Nijisanji to compete if somehow got a real talented vtuber that Hololive will never get. Like a former Esport member who play FPS or fighting games, or just someone who is very good at game, someone like RichardEB or 8bit drummer who is good at instruments. A vtuber sing a very specific genre like rock, metal or folk/traditional song. Normalfag will absolutely love that.

>>3457823
you can't force interpersonal relationships.
there is room for improvement sure but you can't make people be friendly with each other.
the most you can do is stop them from being rude to each other and deal with any bad blood internally.

>>3457937
>disgruntled
>in protest
>which ruined the event for everone
Source.

>>3446804
Currently gathering data but it takes a bit of time to go through every message
I'll probably make an online dashboard in a few weeks

>>3457895
As opposed to every vtuber in Nijisanji to not have any at all except for Kuzuha who only has 1 dude in his subscription.

>>3457907
I think its really just another case of coming down to size. Are you really expecting each any every talent to promote hundreds of people for any "special" stream when in any given day its going to be some kind of special stream for multiple people normally.

>>3457758
Lost Pause? Why does that sound so familiar?

>>3457804
This really can't be understated and it's something simple. If you want EOPs, and Nijisanji does, don't lie to yourselves Nijiniggers, put the damn channel names in romanji.

>>3457996
faggot you'll get no spoonfeeding on this board

>>3457966
They already have very talented vocals and gamers. Just the fact you don't know them is a testament that those vtubers needs to be promoted more

>>3456684
>However, they're shit tier at managing their talents, which is why they're often left on their own and you even end up with those occasional leaks about cliques, infighting and all that.
I think Cover hit the jackpot when they started pushing each of their "generation" members to be closer with each other and basically turning them into a group of friends, that makes them work well together and support each other.
>>3457978
>you can't force interpersonal relationships.
You absolutely can. Cover didn't bother doing that with gen 1 and look at them now, to this day they still don't feel like a real group but they're trying to remedy that lately.

>>3458067
A simple retweet can manage that.

>>3457804
I've literally never ever used that method to find someones channel. Usually I have just gone from the links to their channel in the description from collabs if I found them on someone elses channel. Or the link in the description on clips if I found them there.

>>3458167
I unfollowed the whole of 774 because of this shit on twitter. When they were promoting their live my timeline would just be full of repeated retweets of the same information from all the members. And that is just with 20 or so members. I cant imagine how bad it would be with hundreds.

>>3457966
Nijisanji is already on it. They may not be top tiers but at least we are assured that they are extemely talented cause they managed to reach the final round of Hololive's recruitment process. Settling for Hololive's rejects is a good way to replenish Nijisanji's pool of talents.

>>3457823
Whatever shit you said just proof you know nothing about Nijisanji and never watched them.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=U5YJqRnOq8g
https://youtube.com/watch?v=yg444cojwPU
https://youtube.com/watch?v=g5jPtxKJioE
https://twitter.com/rei_Toya_rei/status/1390734974832181248

>>3458081
It's a fucking hyplcrite that said he doesn't like corporate vtubers. But then accepts their money to react to them

https://youtu.be/O5_yLcTqa9Y

>>3457978
You think that all people in the TV industry are genuinely friends with each other? You don't have to be friends with everyone that you interact with live. Setting a corporate culture that encourages collaborative work and mutual promotion isn't hard either. If you do that, chances are that cliques will still form, but at the very least they won't be Amazon levels of cutthroat and hyper competitive.

>>3458276
That isn't a paid video though? There is no indication of paid promotion on it and he does use it when a video is paid for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmK7XDA65oA

>>3458249
When Nene was revealing her 3D almost all of the girls were talking about it. Stopping their streams and actively asking their views to watch Nene. A lot were sharing screenshots and reactions live on Tweeter. It was so hyped up.

>>3457922
That was just a meme anon. I was implying that they're incompetent.

>>3457150
Well at least you're man enough to not try to deny having harassed her, to the point of her attempting suicide

>>3457907
>That's why Nijis are being accused of having cliques
It's actually true. I know because I'm a former nijifag, there's a lot of people who absolutely hate eachother, not gonna say any name though because you guys probably don't know or care about them anyway.

>>3458331
Nijisanji does so much collaborative work its ridiculous though. Counting through today I can see at least 10 collab streams either internally or externally.

>>3458342
>that isn't a paid video
how fucking naive can you be. He says the exact same script as Koe or Jay, who did the same reaction videos.

>>3458414
Holos hate each other to the core.
t. Former Holofag

>>3458468
He says the exact same script in his Hololive reaction videos as well.

>>3458468
So he is breaking the law is what you are saying?

>>3458250
This is the wrong mentality to have anon. They may have made the final but if they didn't make it than that means that they fundamentally lacked something that made them not fit to be part of HoloEn gen 1. And remember, this was when vtubing was nowhere near as popular as it was now. If we assume that cover now is free to pick from an even bigger and maybe even better pool of talent, then Ichikara settling for, as one possible NijiEn candidate described as, a "Hololive reject", then they may as well not even bother.

>>3458476
...

>>3458370
Nijisanji does do this for 3D too. Just not with new outfits because its way too common.

>>3458414
Which is why forcing collabs is retarded

>>3458579
Пaкeтик.

>>3458516
what, "Hololive/Cover directly asked me to react to their videos"? No he fucking didnt you absolute retard.

>>3458414
This isn't healthy. I can't imagine someone hating on Sukoya or Melissa for example. I don't know. If I was a girl. I guess going for Hololive is best because of the reach you can get globablly not unless you are just so talented already but then again you won't need Niji either if that was the case

>>3458414
Also, there’s a difference between “cliques” and groups of friends who often interact with each other because they just happen to get along with each other better than with others, the word clique implies people are deliberately being left out

>>3446265
Based. People like these are what make fandoms toxic.

>>3458680
So you think all of these youtubers decided to break the law by not disclosing a paid promotion?

>>3452096
Buffed by her outfit reveal, she was 16k in april... holy cow if it actually took her 200k just to climb that ave. Then her median must have been actually lower

>>3457551
Shark gets a bum ass basic outfit with shit tier rigging and barely any accessories or changes and she tops the charts for views.
Lulu gets more range of motion, 2 new hair styles that can go on her old outfits, custom shark plush, controller that moves with her, glasses, headphones, a sick outfit that can be changed by removing the the jacket and outer dress thing, and hood up on the jacket for most of her hair styles and she barely doubles her normal viewers? The fuck is this shit? Her reveal was 18 minutes into the stream because she had so much to show. It's one of the most changes for an outfit and people just want to just talk about Ame having a gun. I legit don't understand.

>>3458778
you must be a shitposter

>>3458397
Chitose have the most rabid fan in Nijisanji. Added that their oshi was dead she is alive signed a recording company and essentially succeeded in persuing her music career Dedechi said Chitose quit because she was doxxed and not because she changed her career. Basically denying her success. Aloe was lucky she was not stabbed by Chitosefag.

>>3458729
It's made up nonsense to begin with. A few examples of people having speculated disagreements somehow becomes everyone absolutely hates each other.

Can you faggots stop pretending to be expert and advising on what niji should do or should have done? lets go back to numberfagging and shitting niji numbers

>>3457624
it does make a difference. When I first got into hololive I did check out their subs page to find the other talents.

>>3458903
So they prove her wrong by doxxing her.

>>3458900
Can you not answer the question? All of these youtubers just decided to break the law and the youtube TOS for this particular video when there are examples of them doing the right thing on other videos?

>>3458052
Keep up the good work.

>>3458939
Fuck off to Reddit where you belong you inbred clout chasing retard.

>>3458459
It's not the same. Holos can work with literally anyone but Nijis just collab with the same people for the 100th times and that makes nijiviewers feel like they're not getting along with people other than the ones they're often collab with.

>>3458101
this 100%. If Niji doesn't do this, then no fucking wonder they haven't been able to break into the EN market.

>>3458992
Youtube cant prove they got paid you retard. And they wont bother with it. But its pretty much on the face on anyone who has half a brain.
Or would you be dumb enough to, when directly contacted by a big company to shill on their products, to do it for free when you know they can pay you, and not a small amount of money?

>>3459126
But then why bother with doing the right thing on those other videos?

>>3459126
I know people that believe that every single clipper is getting paid for their clips. How are you different from them?

>>3458985
Imagine if Suisei quit Hololive because she sign a record company and succeeded in lifting her music career, and retard in Nijisanji said she quit because Suisei was doxxed, Suifag and Holotard will did the exact same shit too.

>>3459089
Nijisanji members can work with anyone they want too to and there is plenty of variety. Not sure what you are talking about there.

>>3459187
Why do people do things for money?

>>3459077
No (You)

>>3459219
>assumptions
not every fanbase is as bad as yours, nijifag

>>3457278
one can clearly see how much every new gen looks more and more like a group of friends, just look at the 5th gen they are practically a fucking family. Seeing Lamy crying of happiness after watching Nene´s 3D debut and knowing how hard it was for her, was a bless, working with people that really cares about you must be nice

I watch niji collabs and a lot of them feel very stiff and too professional vibe, i jump into holo and i see a bunch of friends playing off each other. The niji boys does give off the best friends vibes like holo and that definitely show in their numbers too.

>>3459240
That isn't the question. The question is why would they label any of their videos as paid promotion, which they demonstrably do, if they can just not bother doing it without any consequence.

>>3459196
Who are you trying to fool anon, you are one of those who believes Cover pays every clipper.

>>3459287
You basically did the exact same shit, Aloetard.

>>3459368
lol like what?

>>3458146
Its really weird when gen 0, a literal group of unaffiliated vtubers, feels more like a cohesive group than gen 1.

Gen 2 isn't much of a group either, but at least they've had an off collab. gen 3 and after are the ones who started getting then gen training iirc.

>>3458750
It's easy for you to say that cause your oshi is probably someone who is popular. How do you explain my oshi Chima then? She still doesn't have a 3d, is seldom invited to big singing events despite the fact that a lot of people who follow Nijisanji would place her at the top. Compare her to Hima who gets to have concerts left and right even though she can't sing shit, gets boosted a lot by the other top Nijis. It's undeniable that there's a lot of shady shit that's goin on in the company.

>>3459323
>for money

>>3459343
Nah, I watch those Idol shows with 600+ episodes that get 20 views on local platforms and that someone still translates into my language. It's actually my argument towards those who don't believe that gachikois can't at least translate a 5 minute clip of their oshi.

>>3459438
didnt you hear? Cumbuds sent a thousand death threats to gura`s rigger on twatter, but nobody managed to catch a single picture of them.

>>3459444
isnt that cause they have to pay for their own shit? I mean, 3D, outfits and that

>>3459444
3D is done more or less in the order you get to 100k. It's about as fair as is possible.

>>3459580
I think new outfits yes, 3Ds no

>>3459489
That doesn't answer the question though.

>>3458146
>I think Cover hit the jackpot when they started pushing each of their "generation" members to be closer with each other and basically turning them into a group of friends, that makes them work well together and support each other
Because Cover understands it’s a network/rabbit hole, where the betterment of one, is the betterment of all. They can’t count of YouTube allowing each to be found, so they lead to each other. It’s weird though, because you can see people fight for their favorite Holo en streamer, while wanting others ones removed, not understanding that it would also hurt the one they like.

>>3459444
Maybe because she is not interested in Live event? Rin didn't do much Live event and collab too. And Chima play Valorant not Apex.

>>3459738
here, I`ll let you have it again
>for money

>>3457416
who is the Reid guy? another apexfag?

>>3459439
Yea gen 2 is still kinda awkward together, except Aqua and Shion. I think Cover probably understood the importance of pushing a gen together with the gamers gen, they were already a close group from the beginning and became very popular very fast, so they tried to replicate that for gen 3.

>>3460040
First part is true, but I dont think gen 3 were close friends beforehand But of course their many collabs quickly grew up those bonds.

>Officially enforced cliques called generattion are good.
>Groups formed on behalf of the members themselves are bad.

>>3459999
yea pretty much

>>3459312
gen 5 had its own trial by fire that probably caused them to bond closer then even management expected. Its not something I'd wish on other gens.

>>3460040
Aqua is slowly coming out of her shell, trying to organize collabs, trying to be the leader of the group according to subaru.

>>3460129
>I dont think gen 3 were close friends beforehand
That's not what i meant, they definitely weren't friends before, it's just that Cover started pushing their gen members together starting with them.

>>3458890
That is what happens when you can't promote your shit properly, nobody gives a shit. The holo outfit reveals were hyped up by Cover and the talents themselves as big fucking deals and the fan enthusiasm reflected that. Ichikara did jack shit so nobody gave a shit.

>>3460287
It's not a coincidence that both gen 1 and gen 2 are only now starting to come together with more collabs and off-collabs, Cover and their managers are pushing them together for sure.

>>3460287
Im glad Aqua has people like Marine and Subaru in her life, they certainly give her the right push.

>>3459444
Going by 100k order for 3D debuts there are quite a lot of people in line still before Chima. Shellin, Sayo Amemori, Amamiya, Fuwa, Shiba, Furen, Tomoe, Hayama, Ibrahim, Melissa, Mashiro, Levi then around there after all those is about where Chima should be. So maybe she will get it sometime towards the last quater of the year depending on the pace of release.

>>3459444
We’re talking about group interactions here, I watch a mix of both the popular ones and the lesser popular ones, and there are plenty of friend groups among both

>>3458535
>They may have made the final but if they didn't make it than that means that they fundamentally lacked something that made them not fit to be part of HoloEn gen 1.

Disagree with this take. HoloEN1 had a hard cap of 5. If there were 6 equally qualified individuals who made it to the finals, one would have to be cut, even if chosen at random.

>>3458256
If they are so good at collaborative works, how come they fail at promoting their talent (the premise of the post)? Do they simply not care about the idea of actually creating hype?

>>3460978
HoloEN is Gura & Mori & *Others*. Those others could have been 3 or 10, wouldnt have mattered too much. EN would be nothing without those first 2, and would be nearly the same if the last 3 were replaced by someone else. That`s the cold hard truth of it.

>>3460161
>he conflates workplace teams for tribalist association
A-anon... your employment reps...

>>3461256
What are you asking for, for management to force hundreds of people together for a collab every week or something? Because there are already plenty of collabs, both set up by the company and initiated by the members themselves

>>3461482
I`m starting to suspect that you`re dyslexic or something. Or just stupid. Every single one of your replies I find here misses the point entirely.

>>3428676
Tits or BTFO

>>3461832
I don`t think you want to see those saggy old auntie tits, anon.

>>3461769
>Every single one of your replies
Okay schizo, I did misread the first anon’s post though which lead to me misunderstanding yours
The thing is, there actually are groups designated by their debut date and they do arrange collabs and projects together, the frequency of which depends on each group. They don’t need to pretend like they mesh perfectly with one another, the members are free to act however they want in that area and you can see this in how some branch out into other groups or just keep to themselves for the most part. Which isn’t even that different from Hololive, it’s not like the gens there are constantly collabing with each other and they’re free to interact with whoever they want

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vltsTKKqzBo

Do you think they'd set any livestream records on this?

>>3462899
BUY BUY BUY!!

>>3462899
Maybe if Gura had put the waiting room up with a little more warning.

>>3462899
nah, and its not expected.

>>3462899
Jesus. Some EN commenters really lack any tact or discretion.

HoloEN members count :
Gawr Gura : 10955 / 100334 (10.9%)
Ina Ninomae : 7097 / 57444 (12.3%)
Mori Calliope : 5029 / 66908 (7.5%)
Amelia Watson : 4983 / 47925 (10.4%)
Kiara Takanashi : 3965 / 48809 (8.1%)

This is based on all chat logs from the last 30 days. Which means that it'll not count members that never posted in chat during this time period. It's a minimum.
The number on the right is the number of unique posters in chat these last 30 days.

>>3465506
Jezas, I kneel, shark.

>>3465506
any way to extrapolate those viewers who dont comment at all? Because, for example, Gura gets at least 300k views for any vod, usually 400 or 500k id guess. Should we just multiply it then?

>>3467878
There is no way, we can make wild guesses though

>>3467878
Probably not, too many biases (on the 500k, how many individual viewers? The fact that members are more prone to comment and watch every stream compared to non members etc.)
I'll post more details in a few days/weeks when the dashboard will be finished and the data completely downloaded (for the JP girls too). (I'm >>3458052) Maybe I'll think of a way but it seems a bit hazardous like >>3467976 said

>>3462899
It's kind of mental, one of them alone can get 5x more viewers nearly than 5 of them put together.

Update

>>3465506
Can we then determine more closely how much everyone makes now? By adding it all together with SC?

>>3473454
Because a costume reveal is like an "event" literally 1/3 of the viewers fuck off as soon as the costume is shown

>>3476204
I think it helps, but I don't think it'll ever be possible to get a really accurate guess, because of how much cover takes and also how much they make with sponsored streams/merch etc.

>>3476415
Well it doesn’t have to be perfect.