/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>T-TAKE THE TWITCH PILL BRO

>>34234274
Why does Korea require them to pay special fees

I thought with (((Amazon))) backing them they wouldn't have trouble like this

>>34234370
gooks explain yourselves

>>34234370
s korea is ending net neutrality, it isn't a twitch only problem.
afreeca can keep hi-qual only because they use a P2P system

>>34234474
Amazon has started to notice that Twitch isn't profitable.

>>34234274
But my 4k berry clips...

>>34234356
The twitch pill is cyanide at this point.

>>34234474
Amazon only cares about AWS and Aerospace industry, even the package delivery is starting to suffer hard, it's all but very possible that next decade Amazon will completly cut off the online shopping branch

>>34234474
It's not how buisness work. Amazon invested in twitch, they want return, if there is no return they cut the life support, common in buisness.

>>34234559
>s korea is ending net neutrality
Guess the gigacorps there wanted more money and are going to extort the proles to have working internet. And since Korea's pretty much HyperCaptialist hell they'll get away with it.

>>34234370
I looked it up and answered my own question. Apparently Korean ISPs require websites to pay them for the traffic they use for some fucking reason. The largest Korean streaming site avoids this completely by being P2P so the cost is on the users instead.

>>34234474
It doesn’t matter if twitch has Amazon money when a bunch of braindead monkeys are running the company

>>34234274
hahahaha fuck you twitch

>>34234919
Youtube has to pay too

>>34234997
I don't care.

>>34234593
>even the package delivery is starting to suffer hard
Because they ran it into the fucking ground.

>>34234997
Youtube isn't run at a loss.

>>34235123
Yea because hey treat your workers in a way that makes /biz/s WageSlave memes real and wonder why people keep quitting. And they're running out of people to work in the warehouses.

>tfw I have never paid a cent to twitch and use an ad blocker

>>34234274
The people on 70/30 split go back down to 50/50 once they make over 100K

>>34234274
I legit watch more afreecaTV stuff than twitch bullshit, scan>artosis

>>34237191
those people are 1% of a 1%

>>34235652
Last I checked adblockers didn't work on Twitch because the ads are actually part of the stream. That was a while back though.

>>34235652
Same but YouTube

>>34234474
Right? But since then it's only been downhill. And have in mind that Amazon are the biggest Jews in the world. No other corporation on this planet makes more money than them

>>34234474
Amazon at the moment where they have other priorites like killing the traditional supermarket.
Looks like Twitch is alone and just gets minor Amazon backing

>>34234622
They just wanted the servers bro, trust me

>>34234274
>force 720p max res in korea
>might do the same for other regions
Good. There is literally no reason to go higher.

>>34237609
>Too stupid for Pihole
>Too stupid to install an extension which is call Twitch Adblock and to disable unnecessary adblocks
>Too stupid to use a pastebin in Ublock Origin

Anon, what use do you have?

>>34237959
>>34238102
So twitch is simply a project to brainwash and subvert kids run by deliberately selected pronoun people and it's more than pulled it's weight

>>34235222
>he doesn't know youtube has yet to make a profit in it's 15 years of existence.

>>34234526
>If you don't like 50/50 split how about 0/0 split and go fuck off somewhere else.
everything is pro-rated in Korea by time or usage, it's a pay as you go system. Great for some stuff like quick hospital visits, terrible for others like cancer.

>>34234274
Good! That mentally ill site must disappear with all the muttrannis

>>34239024
Probably
Twitch is on its own and monkeys are steering the ship
I guess the Ad program they started is cool if you're a simp and want to give your vtuber as much money as possible while not giving her money
But its shit for everything else im not gonna watch a lot of ads for some random streamer

>>34234274
Isegye bros...

>>34234274
I will now use your website.

>>34234274
>get popular and rich using particular model
>abandon said model for something everyone hates
every time

>>34234559
>>34234692
>Muh net neutrality
Wow, it's like I'm back in 2017. 100% of people who understand networks oppose net neutrality.
Repealing it in the US didn't bring about any of the doom and gloom which Google and Facebook instructed you to believe would happen.
I encourage you to actually try to understand what net neutrality is instead of regurgitating the sloppy seconds which profit-motivated tech giants gave you. Net neutrality was only good for end-use megacorps, and was terrible for network stability and the QoL of regular users.

>>34234274
imagine trying to put her in 720p

>>34234571
kill all small content creators
make all channels be corpos
enjoy your cyberpunk

>>34234571
profitable enough*
it's always more ads more this more that with these types

>>34240329
The problem is that only in korea charges network usage fees to pay to the ISPs whenever their users watch their content.
That means if a content creator uploads a video on ISP A’s server, and someone using ISP B requests to view the content, ISP B has to charge ISP A a fee each time the request is made.
For viral content that is being viewed in large numbers, the fee became so large that ISPs couldn’t continue to bear it, and it trickled down to their subscription fees. These companies raised their internet access fee to keep up with the data toll, which bumped up Seoul’s internet fees ten times higher than Frankfurt, eight times higher than London and Paris, and 5-6 times higher than New York.
The new proposed bill is supposedly targeting big foreign companies like Netflix and YouTube that have huge markets in South Korea. The plan is to make the platforms pay to the South Korean telcos every time someone from the country requests the content from them. For example, if the law was already imposed in 2021, every time someone in South Korea watched Squid Game, Netflix would have to pay Korean telecom companies a delivery fee.

>>34240329
It doesn't matter. None of this shit matters. Kiwi was a test run to see how effectively wiping an IP would be if pressure was put on corpos and it was pretty damn effective. They don't have you provide a service if they refuse your money. They already put the lid on the box and and locked it you didn't even notice.

>>34240744
Dude they weren't the first lol.
The Daily Stormer was the litmus test years ago.

>>34240329
The tech giants benefit a lot more with the lack of net neutrality than with it. But it didn't matter either way since they are powerful enough to get their way regardless.

>>34240539
Perhaps what we're discussing in this instance isn't "net neutrality" in the American sense, then, which concerns throttling of services which overuse network resources.
I'm aware that SK has high-quality internet infrastructure. I wonder how much their weird cost structure is a factor in that - are they able to have the infrastructure they do because it's so expensive, or would it survive without it? I'd have to look into the motivations behind the bill before judging, but it sounds like SK is going to be isolating itself from the international community, which is probably bad.
>>34240744
While I don't support censorship in any form, the shutdown of KF didn't have anything to do with net neutrality.
>>34240901
That's why Google had a blotter at the bottom of every single search page saying to oppose net neutrality, right? Because they hate money?
Net neutrality just means that corpos can suck up all the data in a network without the telecomms companies having any way to throttle them.
When ComCast throttled utorrent, we got the uTP protocol as a solution. That kept network usage under control. Same thing with FaceTime, which had 2-way video and audio over mobile with no restrictions until it was throttled and forced to change its service. People couldn't even check their emails because those are low-priority packets and all the resources were being used by high-priority megacorp services and ad pushers.

>>34241117
>saying to oppose net neutrality
preserve*

Twitch streamers are Amazon employee's at this point. And who would have thought they give a shit about their employee's well-being?

>>34240539
That's fucking insane.

>>34241117
Enjoy defacto censorship when ISPs don't want you to see something and thus drop access to a page to dialup speeds.
Be good goy and let the corps control what you see even more than usual.

>>34234274
turns out all that amazon short term thinking didn't work out well for twitch. shocking.

>>34238297
terrible bait, but here's a pitty (you) anyways for the effort

>>34241799
That still isn't net neutrality, but Facebook thanks you for your continued servitude.

>>34237609
not without a bit of deeper digging, but there are solutions
https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions

The fleshtuber drama that has been plaguing twitch lately is both delicious and worrying for my chuubas on the platform. Jewtube sucks but at least it doesn't have th turbo aids that twitch seemed to pick up

>>34234274
So is south korea pulling a china (unfair strict governing) or a U.S (greedy corpos bribing the government for influance) ?

>>34234274
Watching All the Commies Breadtubes, collectivelly freak out at their pay cut is so good

>>34240329
>and was terrible for network stability and the QoL of regular users.
this is not true, nowadays you can see data packages that has "mobile data 2gb + unlimited facebook access". this is what net neutrality put a stop to, luckily where I live there's too much competition for internet providers to pull bullshit like that but for others who are more limited can get fucked.

>>34242041
both

>>34242131
>this is what net neutrality put a stop to
No it categorically is not. That's what shitty image macros made by idiot teenagers told you it did.

>>34234559
Based Koreans. It's high time corporations started paying their fair share for all the bandwidth they use, especially the likes of YouTube, Twitch and Netflix.

>>34234274
Twitch shutting down would unironically be bad news, Youtube monopoly would mean no further incentive to improve the streaming platform.

>>34240521
No, probably just profitable. We know Youtube operates at a loss, it wouldn't be surprising if it's the same for Twitch.

>>34234692
>HyperCaptialist
More like communist. Like China the big corpo are part of the government there.

>>34242474
That hasn’t been true for a while

>>34239179
>I guess the Ad program they started is cool if you're a simp and want to give your vtuber as much money as possible while not giving her money
My oshi has been offered $80 a month to have 3 minutes of ads every hour, that's literally nothing. And now the offer for her is $30something.

>>34235343
That's why they are all for the future mass starvation being implemented by governments all over the world.
As the UN put it "starvation is great for cheap labour"

>>34234274
Spiffing Brit did say that based on the talks he had with insiders, Twitch would run out of money in a year.

>>34234474
Bezos doesn't give a shit about Twitch, Amazon won't bail out the site in case it shits the bed. It's just a pointless expense to them because it's not even growing in market share despite being unprofitable.

>>34242536
But unlike China the government serves the companies, not the other way around. That's the reason you can't call it communism.

>>34235222
Yes it is. YouTube bleeds money. Google doesn't care because they take all the analytical data of you monkeys clicking likes and what videos you watch and sells that to advertisers for billions. YouTube is just a data farm for Google analytics.

What you should be pissed about is how much money YouTube DOESN'T pay out to their content creators despite not caring if they run at net losses.

so streaming video in general just isn't profitable? weird lol

>>34234474
Main reason of twitch losses?
>server cost
Who owns the servers they use?
>Amazon
Where does the money lead?
>(you) tell me

>>34242726
Not for the server owners, unless you want to return to glorious 144p and no VODs.

>>34240372
>he says while posting her at 450p

>>34240329
You do realize corporations are playing a long game in jewing you since they don't want start a movement to get net neutrality reinstated immediately after Trump ended by jacking up prices immediately.

>>34240372
he said while posting a fucking gif

>>34240539
lmao, Korea really is trying to become a second US, from the circumcisions, LGBT, black worship, and now capitalist dystopia, rumao

>>34241978
>Jewtube sucks but at least it doesn't have th turbo aids that twitch seemed to pick up
Yes it does, but you don't hear about it as often because /vt/ is married to YouTube thanks to Hololive. People literally extend their tribalism to the fucking streaming platform.

>>34234274
I sure hope not

Twitch is a containment zone for zoomers, and if it goes down they will spread out like a plague to other streaming services. You know, kind of like what would happen if 4chan ever went down

>>34243080
oh god...
ganbare twitch-chama

>>34241117
>look into the motivations
Is it perhaps related to that cabal of 8 witches that were uncovered 7 years ago?
https://imgur.com/gallery/zVlXJ
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/29/secret-advisers-nepotism-and-even-rumours-of-a-murky-religious-s/

>>34242237
You're one of those morons who celebrate when corporations get higher taxes aren't you?

>>34243080
youtube isn't interconnected like twitch to be honest, if they spread to youtube live, it'd be like a soundwave getting cancelled out as they spread to their designated streamer's little community corner, fizzling out into nothing

>>34234474
The Rings of Power company?

>>34234622
that's not how tech businesses work. They spend decades pumping investor money into money-losing products to gobble up massive userbases and shut out competition before tightening the grip and monetizing the platform

>>34241822
Destructive, short term profits never works out well for anyone but the shareholders who are price gouging.

>>34243256
>spending $1 billion on Lawd Dem Rangs while your livestreaming subsidiary i shitting the bed
bravo Bezos

>>34238319
I don’t watch shitch because I’m not retarded.

Isn't it super easy for anyone to make twitch lose money
>start streaming at highest possible quality
>never play ads/enable subs or anything else monetization wise
>you now take away maximum possible server space and cost without ever making money, effectively draining twitch
Im guessing the more 0 viewer streamers there are the worse it'll get for them

>>34240744
And you had retards here celebrating it when Kiwi lmao
Epic, simply ebic.

>>34243064
Those evil nijis and vwhores use twitch so obviously Youtube is the best platform in the world.
You know despite the fact that both platforms are just different flavors of shit.

>>34242704
Does it really matter if the government calls itself a corporation or a "democracy"?
They're both using their monopoly on violence to extort the population.

>>34235222
lol

>>34243080
You say that like 4chan is anywhere near as big as these sites. Also, retards will find tons of alternatives immediately that basically are already exactly like 4chan.

>>34243419
Nta and no it doesn’t matter, these are just names. In the end it’s always an organization with a hierarchy. But people can just open companies at will in a free market, you can’t just make a new government, I mean you could but it would immediately be in conflict with the existing government.

>>34243418
Right, case in point, this thread exists.

>>34241967
>>34237609
>Get it to partially work where you no longer see ads, but still have to wait 30 seconds on a blank screen.
Close enough.

>>34234274
amazon probably thought they were buying a cash cow, they're now hard regretting getting in the bidding war with google

>>34242536
Communism is the other way around. Private companies running a country for their own (and shareholders) profit is very close to anarcho-capitalism.

>>34234370
Because Korea is retarded and doesn't understand how the Internet works.

>>34234274
OH NO NO NO NO
BEZOSBROS???

>>34238297
>t. coping retard that believes in fan death.

>>34243627
>Free Market
And just like communism, it will never work in practice. And Free Market apologists even use the same excuse for they fail as communists. Horseshoe theory strikes again.

>>34243819
The labels change but the system and the operation is the same between the two supposedly different systems.

>>34243160
I wish I had the motivation to read this. But it's super long and seems like it'll turn into total schizo nothing.

>>34234274
I just hope Twitch dies and YT keeps on improving its streaming services/features. There's something about Twitch that makes me allergic to it. Every single time I try to watch someone on Twitch I barely last 15 minutes and whenever I find someone new, there are no fucking VODs to check. If they have any skits or music videos I have to go on YT to look for them instead of having all shit be in 1 place easily accessible.
YT has its problems like failing to properly count CCV that have ad blockers (which can sometimes be up to 50% of the audience), double standards for video demonetization as confirmed by top youtubers recently, lack of communication with content creators and other shit, but it's still somehow better than Twitch.

some moron recently launched a twitch channel just to attend connor's jump king event.

>>34240539
I just lost a catastrophic amount of respect for moon niggers

>>34243627
What free market? The state with its monopoly on violence that defends current property rights that allow the existence of all these monopolies/oligopolies already undermines the existence of any kind of free market.

>>34239112
YouTube is a loss leader. It gets consumers in the door where Alphabet's real agenda of data mining and sales can take place.

>>34243850
I always thought they were ahead of Japan on that front. I guess not.

>>34244113
you actually want full youtube monopoly bro? nah man, twitch sure needs to learn their place and lesson but we'll be better off with competitions

ironmouse is seriously considering streams on yt live.
I hope twitchniggers here realize that they love retarded platform.

>>34244348
you'd be surprised how conservative and closed-off korea is, don't have access to porn, don't even have modern global services like uber, they're like little china

>>34240329
You mean 100% of corporate shills with a vested interest in fucking over consumers in new and profitable ways agree with you? Can't argue with that, anon.

>>34234274
if only they wait a little bit longer....

>>34234274
>>34234919
>>34240323
>>34241822
>>34243333
I hate twitch, but it serves as a containment website for retarded zoomers and alphabet people like Tumblr did in the past, Without it, Youtube will become worse just like how twitter became more shit after tumblr destroyed their own site.

Regardless, OPs pic is clearly about South Korea being fan-death levels of retarded. They're essentially making it so that companies need to pay extra depending on how much bandwidth they use. In other words, the more people that go to your site, the more you have to pay the South Korean government for literally no reason. It's completely anathema to how the Internet is supposed to operate.

>>34244061
Sadly it wasn't. Their marionette pres was removed from power and one of the 8 witches, the only one identified, escaped to Greece.
Their stated goal was to turn men into feminised slaves. Sorta the same direction certain US states are going.

>>34234274
Just wait til they get rid of Amazon Prime subs

>>34244455
I unironically used this shit to stream for my friends

>>34244348
Japanese internet is still stuck in the 90s. It's entirely possible for Korea to suck and yet still body the Japs over this.

>>34244521
How so? I've never had any speed, cost, or accessibility issues when I've been there.

here's what twitch should do, give streamers 2 hour timer to gain at least 100 viewers. If they can't do it, then shut down the stream for 24 hours. Filters out worthless content and bandwidth leeches and is a win for all. Hire me bezos!

>>34244348
You forget that Korea is now in the truce of the Korean War.
Even if the Internet connection is faster than in other developed countries, the benefits will not be passed on to the citizens.

>>34244508
It was good until the devs took the quick cash from microshart. Typical tech shit though

>>34244521
If Japanese internet is still stuck in the 90s, American one is still stuck in the 80s.
Do you know what kind of situation calliope mori is in now? Her american fans have been copeing with this all week.

>>34234274
>terminate support for several browsers
this is just doomposting, twitch announced which browsers they work better with because that's where they test their shit
pretty sure it never had support for non-metioned browsers to begin with

>>34244303
Well yeah property rights are needed so that people can’t just unrighteously take what you own.
Whether you call it "free" market or not is semantics, the point is that if you see an existing product and know how to make it better you should be able too open a company and sell that better product. It is easier than ever before to open companies and there are constantly tiny new innovations on the market that find their niche.
Monopolies itself are not problematic as long as the company continues to be the best in the field. Monopolies of course would incline towards complacency because they’re at the top, but in the case that truly no one makes a better product then they should be allowed to be as big as they are because obviously people want it. And all of this is about fulfilling people’s needs in the most efficient way possible.

>>34237268
>afreecaTV
Why the fuck is it called that?
When I read that I imagine some Ugandan villager saying "Africa" with a big dumb smile on his face.

>>34244213
Why do you think kronii is so fucked up

>>34244661
How am I supposed to groom in under two hours?

It's funny how gooks always say "we better than Japan" .
Even if this were true, it is out of the question that Koreans do not have access to many services in developed countries.

>>34245370
It's short for short for Any FREE broadCAsting.
They were very ESL.

>>34245686
Have you seen one of those mole people before their surgery?
It's no wonder they have an inferiority complex.

>>34242875
RETVRN

>>34244061
How much of a schizo nothing burger is the collapse of a country's government and imprisonment of its president because she was acting as a witch's slave, giving her top secret information and access to state funds?

>>34245945
I'm not questioning the corruption. Just the validity of the broader narrative that they were essentially trying to make men some slave sex, mass aborting men, etc. That's less clear from information I can reference and the consensus outside of some dude on 4chan.

>>34234819
Well those infrastructures don't pay for themselves. Koreans boast they have the highest speed internet anywhere in the world, someone has to pay for them.

>>34245108
>American one is still stuck in the 80s
Bullshit, you can get gigabit internet in all major cities. Unless you live in the bumfuck of nowhere. Mori just don't want to pay a little extra out of pocket because she's a cheap whore.

>>34246133
Not worth much when you can only get korean shit at high speed

>>34246215
>my ISP would never lie to me

>>34246215
I think it's more she seems to be living with her mom or something at the moment. If that's not a temporary thing and she isn't paying to improve her internet then yes she's a cheap ass, but god knows she's also possibly from some bum fuck suburb. Some areas are covered by a monopoly who do shitty things like charge you for "overages" on some arbitrary cap they put on a region. For instance I live in an area where they charge you an extra $15 a month for every additional 100gb downloads you make a month after their arbitrary cap of 1000gb per month. And I'm paying for their top tier internet. This is the one thing that burns my ass the most about where I live now after leaving NYC and the fact that the internet is slower on top of everything.

>>34246215
>can get gigabit internet in all major cities.
That's great! If only you lived in North Korea or Antarctica.
Even nips don't boast about that.

/vt/ - internet infrastructure

>>34246879
kek, look at you burger trying to act Asian

>>34244455
Mixer will return

>>34245663
dude, real grooming should happen off-stream

>>34237959
>what is Blackrock

>>34247593
Yeah you're supposed to have Discord or Twitter DMS going "pics plz" to underage individuals who think your screaming at Freddy Fazbear popping out is funny.

>>34246031
>Just the validity of the broader narrative that they were essentially trying to make men some slave sex, mass aborting men, etc. That's less clear from information I can reference and the consensus outside of some dude on 4chan.
You can just google it and get it from reputable news sources, then. This shit ain't a 4chan thing.

>>34246991
Actually y'all're both kinda right. Out where I live in Sisterfucker, Arkansas I get gigabit internet, most of the time anyways, sometimes they low it down. Kills me, because the same company that offers high speed fiber also has you pay a premium for using a touch-tone landline phone, if you don't want that premium you STILL have to use a fuckin rotary. Point is, if I'm getting getting gigabyte out in the middle a fuckin nowhere them city folk in places like Little Rock, Dallas, or New Orleans probably get faster, and that's down here in Dixie. Up in places that think they matter they probably got better infrastructure, an faster internet.

>>34247833
>Vanguard

>>34243418
what are you talking about ? Nijisanji mainly use Youtube like Hololive, and Hololive also have many problems with Youtube because their retarded AI, seems like you just like to use "Hololive boogeyman", both platform are shit but you could still argue that Youtube is better, i would rather got randomly banned by AI than got banned by monkeys like Twitch staff because they are biased

>>34248865
no the other anon is right
van is babytier compared with larry fink and his agenda

>>34242188
Prove it by linking to a source that's not your ass then

>>34234274
Who cares about twitch, it's infested with twitter culture

>>34235123
Qrd?

>>34240329
>Repealing it in the US didn't bring about any of the doom and gloom which Google and Facebook instructed you to believe would happen.

That's because states started to make their own net neutrality laws, since the FCC's entire argument for doing away with net neutrality was that ISPs should be reclassified as Title I information services instead of Title II common carriers, giving them very little federal ability to regulate them.

>>34240329
>was terrible for network stability and the QoL of regular users
What the fuck does net neutrality have to do with network stability/QoL?

The fundamental idea behind net neutrality is not showing favoritism when charging consumers and producers of network traffic.

So if some megacorp is spewing shitloads of traffic that's harming network stability, then the answer is you charge them for their usage of the network or throttle them. Net neutrality doesn't prevent this, it just says the rules have to be the same across corpos, small or large.

>>34240539
>first real cyberpunk migh be korea
ayy

>>34251223
They're both the same and under the thumb of the suicide cult known as WEF.

Some big corp needs to make their own site and only use twitch and youtube for re-streams.

>>34253876
Costs way more than they make to run the servers, if I’m not mistaken.

awww boo fucking hooo who cares bunch of babies.
only top streamers had the 70 cut anyway, they are all set for life most of them already. It's funny that a lot of streamers talk about going to youtube. they won't cuz they will get banned
you can get banned for almost anything on ShekelTube

>>34253981
This is true, someone i know did a project on twitch for their business major and this is what they told me. They are not profiting enough at all from a business standpoint. The amount of servers they need is actually insane.

>>34244113
>keeps on improving
All they've done for years is remove features and add cancer to it, anon. Remember when you could buffer a full video or in more recent years, dislike something?

>>34254127
>twitch
pardon? a corpo making it's own site to stream only their talents are more like netflix if anything

>>34254099
It isn't so much about the 70/30 going down to 50/50 its about the intrusive unskippable ads. Twitch want to put more ads into streams, some in the middle of stream, and you (the streamer) have no control over when they happen nor do you get money from them.
If a 1 minute adbreak starts in the middle of a stream there is undoubtedly going to be a few people that just click off and go somewhere else, if they're happening every few minutes then there's definitely going to be some people who just up and leave.

>>34243715
still better than ads tbf

>>34234274
Isn't YouTube hemorrhaging money too? I thought it was never profitable. Only difference is Google is keeping it afloat

>>34257052
Youtube is not profitable, yes it is kept afloat by Google.
I don't know if Twitch is profitable, I do know they're backed by fucking Amazon though, so they're not exactly going to sink any time soon unless Amazon loses interest in them.

What's gunrun doing?

>>34257180
Amazon has people that are a lot smarter than us who are making the decisions maybe this is like a 5 year plan and next thing you know it will all work out in the end

>>34257260
I'm just waiting for that previous Netflix ad move that would work out in the end.

>>34257180
Youtube is not profitable, but the data they have about their audience is profitable and probably makes money in the long term.

>>34234474
That's how badly run Twitch is. One of the most popular websites in the world under the umbrella of one of the biggest companies in the world and they're still managing to bleed money all over.

>>34257052
>>34257180
https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/27/22596592/google-q2-2021-record-revenue-profit-youtube-ad-cloud-search

Streaming is much more intensive per video then VODs.

>>34257260
>Amazon has people that are a lot smarter than us
Evidently not in charge.

>>34257432
28 BILLION what the fuck

>>34257432
>The Verge
Setting that aside, that's certainly new. They've been reporting it's a money sink for years and years. It'll probably tank again though, especially as costs increase thanks to inflation and such. Surprised their "shorts" or whatever are doing well, but that's probably just the zoomers propping it up.

>>34257811
>inflation has been going on since the pandemic. If they're still profitable at that time then it wouldn't tank for the next 5 years or so.

>>34257811
Youtube shorts are just TikTok mirrors, some of them even have the tiktok logo still on lmao.

>>34257907
>Being that gullible

>>34257990
Sure, believe whatever you want as well then.

>>34244113
YT has WAY more problems. It's run by bots that constantly do ridiculous shit. Random bans for literally no reason, shadowbans, silently unsubscribing users from channels, baseless copyright strikes, the list goes on. Twitch definitely has issues, but it's not (yet) a surreal shitshow like YT.
And then there's also the shitty tech. YT chat leaks memory, eats a ton of cpu and breaks whenever you rewind a VOD. The player defaults to auto quality and randomly sets itself to 144p when it feels like it. Recently, the site suddenly thought that my credit card was invalid for a day or so. On Twitch, streamers play games with Twitch integration, use plugins for redeems etc., while YT doesn't integrate with anything.
Even if they're both in a race to the bottom, I'd say Twitch is still the better site overall.

>>34258191
Oh so that's why Youtube is dying and not Twitch right?

>>34234274
>>34240372
I been watching those videos of people just walkingbarpund Seoul and is the most fucking depressing thing, almost every women is hot. What is a 9/10 here is often the random women walking around over there. It's insane.

>>34257811
They're quick to mention how much revenue YT makes but their income statement lumps everything together. Google as a whole is making money and idk it probably costs less than $28 billion to run YouTube so maybe they are profitable.

This is their 10k
https://abc.xyz/investor/static/pdf/20220202_alphabet_10K.pdf?cache=fc81690

>>34257740
Turned out, 9 dollar for AD free is quite a steal for a lot of people.

>>34258290
They'd both be dying if there was actually a good competitor to kill them off. YT is just harder to kill because it doesn't specialize in streaming and has huge archives to keep people there. Doesn't mean it's not shit though.

>>34258936
Anon literally everyone that tried to do that have die. Youtube is impossible to kill.

>>34244348
>>34243850
https is banned in south korea too, it's insane.

>>34234571
Amazon itself isn't profitable. It's highly likely that Twitch is more profitable than amazon as a whole.

>>34260767
>

>>34260767
>Amazon itself isn't profitable.
KEK what?

>>34262248
I don't think it started making net positive income after expenses until like 2018, and like one year in the 2000's.

>>34262248
The shopping website itself doesn't make enough money to justify the overhead to maintain it, that's why Amazon prime and other ventures exist, so they profit. This combined with the other properties and ventures that Amazon owns is actually what makes the bulk of revenue. The online store isn't what make them money. That would be prime, AI, cloud computing, cloud storage, the digital distribution rights, and the electronics they make.

>>34234274
PLEASE KEEP TWITCH AFLOAT AT ANY COST
i dont want them whore coomerbait and them/they niggas migrating to youtube. we cant handle anymore tumblr exodus happening

>>34264214
Hahaha fuck you, I want twitch to die no matter the cost

>>34234997
>many governments tried to make google pay
>google didn't pay, services were cut
>people got really mad
>government decided google doesn't have to pay

bruh, this has happened like 8 times now, they are too big to be extorted

wao

>>34234274
YouTube..

>>34258508
>Revenues were $257.6 billion, an increase of 41%. The increase in revenues was primarily driven by Google
Services and Google Cloud. The adverse effect of COVID-19 on 2020 advertising revenues also contributed to
the year-over-year growth.
>Cost of revenues was $110.9 billion, an increase of 31%, primarily driven by increases in TAC and content
acquisition costs. An overall increase in data centers and other operations costs was partially offset by a
reduction in depreciation expense due to the change in the estimated useful life of our servers and certain
network equipment.
>Operating expenses were $68.0 billion, an increase of 20%, primarily driven by headcount growth, increases in
advertising and promotional expenses and charges related to legal matters.
>YouTube ads revenues increased $9.1 billion from 2020 to 2021. Growth was driven by our direct response and
brand advertising products. Growth for our direct response advertising products was primarily driven by increased
advertiser spending as well as improvements to ad formats and delivery. Growth for our brand advertising products
was primarily driven by increased spending by our advertisers and the adverse effect of COVID-19 on 2020 revenues.
It's a temporary bump in their revenue due to lockdowns.
At the same time the life expectancy of their equipment is reduced which will likely mean a great cost in replacement in the future.
So, seen over more than a single year, they're still at a great loss.

>>34243353
You may have just convinced me to start streaming kek

>>34262690
It's an ecosystem, to say that the store alone doesn't justify the upkeep is misleading. The store is the backbone to the other products, and its current level of profit is a choice with expansion in mind rather than absolute maximisation of the money it brings in.

>>34234274
>No HoloKR then
HoloES it is

>>34234274
HoloES sooner than later?

press F to pay respects
Press S to spit on twitch's grave

>>34243262
yeah well if this is their attempts to monetize the userbase it doesn't seme to be working out too well

>>34239112
your data is outdated, youtube has been making money ever since 2017, and even if it didn't there's still the massive amounts of data it provides to google's advertising machine that more than pays for itself

>>34246133
A big part of why their internet is the fastest is simply that everyone who speaks their language is in an area the size of Ohio.

>>34270751
Free market will fix it! Oh wait, monopolies are the natural end result of the free market.

>>34234593
>it's all but very possible that next decade Amazon will completly cut off the online shopping branch
You're retarded bro

>>34243253
unless youtube turns more into twitch

>>34234474
Twitch hasn't made any money back to Jeffy, he couldn't care less.

>>34234274
>Twitch it's gonna shutdown in 2023
That would be awesome