/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>34025865
they're actually not your gf

mori is actually statistically and factually the most successful and best talent ever produced by hololive

>>34025865
They really do love you

>>34025865
I self insert as female in bdsm porn

Noel has absolutely paizuri'd someone on the staff team at least once in the past.

>>34025896
Speak for yourself. brb picking up Kiara for our date

my cock

One day Korone will graduate. When I first realized this I was catatonic for weeks, I'm sorry to lay this on you all.

>>34025973
don't forget your earplugs

>>34025865
Most of them have a boyfriend. Some of them are even married.

>>34025865
None of them would make it without the anime gimmick or female streamer buff.

>>34025865
Friend is not your friend

>>34026057
>Most of them have a boyfriend
Yeah me
>Some of them are even married
Yeah to me

>>34025865
Live concert isn't live

starting wages are $45,000

A big chunk of the viewers of every chuuba there only watches them because they're in Hololive or because they're related to their oshi.
In a very hypothetical case that they graduated amicably with no drama or scandals around and they started streaming immediately back as an indie (being very well publicized that they're that graduated chuuba), they would have half their audience at most, possibly way less.
Maybe not hard pill to shallow for many but numberfags and those who get their pride from their oshi popularity would have a hard time assimilating this.

>>34025896
Also, they're not your "bros"

>>34026137
Do you have boyfriend anon? holy faggot

>>34025865
The are probably going to continue to recline into obscurity.

>>34026469
and vtubing will die along with them

>>34025896
your right she is not my gf i'm married to her.

All the anons in this thread have reached the wrong conclusions.

The hardest redpill is that one day, hololive will be over as we know it (compared to even today), as all, if not 90%+ of the members will graduate in 5 years. New talents might come in, sure, but this cycle will not last forever, and the average vtuber will go the way of the professional wrestler: niche skills, unadaptable to current market, and forgotten. The only difference will be less motorcycle related deaths.

>>34025865
they are just a number to you

>>34025865
We will never get back to the good old times of HoloEN. The HoloJP will remain the only true Hololive experience.

>>34026736
To be fair, OP asked specifically about hololive and not the whole vtuber industry. Although as >>34026583 stated, hololive has become synonymous with vtubing as a whole and it's demise would signal the end of vtuber era.

>>34026736
This

2d anime girls are still better than 3d anime girls/vtuber because they there isn't a woman behind it

>>34026736
This is not really Hololive specific. When it comes to general vtubing there are more pills to swallow.
In 10-30 years all human vtubers will be replaced by AI which will be superior in all imaginable aspects. It sounds horrifying from today's perspective, but the transitions will happen naturally. A lot of things in today's world would sound horrifying to people 30 years ago.

>>34025973
You're a lucky Peafowl, Reine.

>>34025949
that and she’s relatively one of the most well liked amongst the idols, they come to her for advice and not your oshi

>>34025896
LIAR!

>>34027167
Machine learning reaching it's ultimate purpose.
This art is AI generated by the way.
Mix that with text to speech using voice bank, and that program that reply to chat's comment. Smoothen it to some degree, add scriptforstream1.txt and you got a vtuber ex machina

>>34026071
Define "make it".
As Idols? Probably not, Hololive has historically been about taking women who don't fit the traditional Idol ideal and allowing them to do so through vtubing.
As streamers/entertainers? Some of them certainly would. Hell, some of them already have. A few have years of professional entertainment work prior to vtubing.

>>34025865
Ayame will never graduate.

>>34027491
Wait what? How did an AI make that?

>>34025865
Stars JP are more Idol than Holo EN. They started rough, went on a journey of hardship, had good times, bad times, gained new members, lost some members.
And you most likely will never experience such thing unless you go to another corpo.

>>34025865
Without pandering to the parasocial crowd, there's no reason to watch them over 3dpd streamers as they're boring as fuck and heavily restricted.

>>34027491

>>34027491
It's basically the blue pill from The Matrix. The difference from The Matrix is that there will be no war with machines. Humanity will succumb to the machines voluntarily.

>>34027937
sounds like a seething 2 views opinion to me

>>34027491
imagine the possibilities

>>34027826
Ask /ggg/

>>34028105
whatever helps you cope with watching boring shitters unironically.

>>34025865
Ame isn't as creative as we say she is.

>>34031356
explain

>>34031356

>>34025896
fippy bippy, as proven by the other replies.

>>34025865
Cover, for all its faults, actually tried to help the green hair.

>Lucia let roommate shit show up on her stream. Some dude messaging her saying he’ll be home soon.
>It’s honestly no worse than za hando or other embarrassing incidents from her colleagues, most fans thought it’ll blow over in 2 weeks max if she stayed out of spotlight
>COVER makes an announcement saying they respect their talents private lives, asking people to stay respectful too
>unfortunately the dude in question has a big femcel following, and his fans started threatening suicide saying how could he lie to them etc.
>Rushia thought she is obligated to help her boy
>She ignores company instructions and basic nda rules, going rogue sending inside info to some drama YouTuber to supposedly clear the air.
>according to her, she was the one chasing after the boy but they never actually in a romantic relationship. It was just an invite to play games online together etc
>unsurprisingly backfires completely, the femcel fans don’t buy it, and her supportive fans just had to embrace cuckoldry since all this time she was pining for some twink cock
>COVER makes an announcement saying they’re investigating information leaks from the company
>Russia was guilty as charged and expelled

>>34025949
How so?
She's not the most subbed, that's Gura
She's not the most viewed, that's Pekora
She's not the most superchatted, that's Rushia (or maybe Pekora/Lami/Marine these days)
She doesn't have the most viewed songs, that's Marine
We don't know about merch, but there's no reason to think Mori is on top there
I can't think of a single statistic that Mori leads in, unless "yabs" counts as a statistic

>>34032517
>Cover, for all its faults, actually tried to help the green hair.
>COVER makes an announcement saying they respect their talents private lives, asking people to stay respectful too
That's not really helping her though. It basically came out sounding like "It's OK with us if she has a boyfriend". She was willing to burn down her channel to prove she DIDN'T have a boyfriend.

>>34027826
You feed the AI artwork to learn. If you provide it with tons of art from a specific artist, you can have the AI eventually replicate the artist's style.

>>34025865
None of them are actually funny.

>>34032726
Nah, more like she's trying to avoid the dude's femcel attack. They're much more ruthless than her own incel
I can imagine if it's not him, she'll probably be fine

>>34025865
why does this board have threads like a bunch of 14 year olds on a forum from the 2000s combined with youtube clickbait channels
these threads might as well be "THINGS YOU DIDNT KNOW ABOUT HOLOLIVE [REAL]"

>>34025865
Hitomi Chris did nothing wrong.

>>34032945
>did nothing wrong
>actively broke the law
She did a lot of things wrong

>>34026736
Been there done that. Gibara's graduation was the first time I realized that. Does not stop me to keep watching hololive though

>>34025865
It will become nijisanji 2.0 in a few months

>>34025865
They are still a shit tech company despite starting as one

>>34027167
people literally already simp for chatbot girls, but it’s not going to catch on imo. The fact that your human oshi can up and betray you at any moment actually increase their attractiveness, because we’re wired to want the unattainable

>>34032726
It is though. Everyone knew it would blow over, Cover was just trying to give it the time to do so. No Yab in Hololive has lived long, so they issue a statement asking people to chill, they tell her to chill, and everything goes back to normal in a few weeks. And we saw it was working. Her Gachis on Twitter were coming around, being forgiving, believing what they wanted to believe. But then she did her thing and, yeah.

>>34025865
The family thing they pushed is just a kayfabe, the fact that so many people buy it means the holos did a good job making them believe in that

>>34025865
the men are actually funny and the women are not

>>34033377
nta I agree that this specific incident would have probably blown over but it's not always the case. Sometimes you get a group of psychos whose entire lives revolve around harassing a talent, see Coco & friends.

>>34025865
covid made hololive

>>34032726
Those two had rumors circulating since forever, and the schizos got their confirmation from that pop up message. There was no point playing pretend at that point.
Point is she could just own up to it and play it for laughs instead of going full schizo.
There are literally JP holos who flirt with males constantly on stream and their fans are fine with that. They’re honest about it and doesn’t treat their fans like morons.

>>34025865
The male talents are better.

>>34025865
Cover gets plenty of sponsorships and collabs, and gachikoi money is nothing compared to them.

>>34025865
HoloEN for all his earlier success is still in all category inferior to Holo Jp.
The number thing is easily verifiable so im not even gonna talk about it, instead lets talk about the entertainment side.
The Jp side is able to do after banger content with relatively ease.
We have nothing like micomet or pekomoon, here,Miko whole gta arc be it online or the story mode, the Kino Kanata undertale arc, the unfunny but non the less memorable reddit dragon reviews,Noel finishing Elden ring on a"challenge"run with her roleplaying mace wielding knight all focused on strenght,Haachama cooking as and etc
We have the jp girls in an all out war in Rust and most the EN dont wanna participate at all, I could almost believe they're all anti fun at this point.
Or for fucksake even the banter is weird as fuck on our side ,except for SNOT its like they're all too shy about hurting their genmates feelings or something.
Watch this for exemple
Its a collab of Mio,Okayu and subaru
https://youtu.be/Rd_ACXSMEow
And look at how much they dont hold back.
Or watch any holoJp uno collaboration and compare it to the EN when they're is a batsu The jp girls go all in instead of doing this im too good for it act so I'll do it halfheartedly.

I just lament the fact that we finallly got our HoloEN but most of them are fucking dry, real dry.

>>34025865
the fad is over and it's only downwards from now on

>>34025865
Cover: They're not good at hiring people, they've just gotten lucky as fuck up until now and it took EN to prove it with how fucking up and down they are in terms of quality.

Hololive itself: A lot of them in general are not that entertaining and only offer the "cute girl" experience and nothing else. Like no dude, I'm not gonna watch one of them play minecraft for 6 hours doing nothing.

>>34025865
IPO is coming soon

>>34032571
most popular music

>>34026736
This is a hard redpill but it is more true for holoEN which got huge because of the pandemic but is quickly reclining due to the global recession. The JP side has a devoted otaku fan base that will help limit that recline but the western market is more fickle. The number of western fans that will spend money on holoEN will decrease by a large amount within the next year though there will still be plenty of casual fans that only watch streams.

>>34037486
>I just lament the fact that we finallly got our HoloEN but most of them are fucking dry, real dry

Well said, Fillmore.

>>34026071
Hardest pill to swallow even for the vtubers

>>34039998
popular means its shit

>>34025865
Hololive currently has 54 active vtubers. But eventually, you stop caring about 90% of them and only watch the streams of your oshi + a few of your other favorites.

>>34039998
It's Marine

If you want to succeed as a vtuber you go to Hololive. All other corpos are just stepping stones to your road to being in Hololive.

>>34041158
and then VShojo :^)

>>34026736
Well this applies to entire entertainment industry not just Hololive, life cycle of online celebrities fame is usually around 2 - 3 years then fading into irrelevance. The company definitely would still around for a good couple of years but most talents won't stay for that long.

>>34037486
I remember that miko+roboco with en collab about studying english. All EN had to do is simply copy paste what coco did and considering its miko they don't have to hold back at all but they went super pussy mode that miko and roboco hard carrying the collab to salvage it, shows which side is the real entertainer easily.
>I just lament the fact that we finallly got our HoloEN but most of them are fucking dry, real dry.
Well said, here i am just waiting for the same people who thinks EN3 will make the branch great complains about them being boring

>>34037655
It’s not luck. HoloJP recruited a solid core of bottom bitches, who lay down the rule of law to keep the other bitches in line.

Fubuki for example has stepped up multiple times to take a stand when coco/twitter went too far with ahegao memes, or when Rushia went full schizo. And ofc the China situation which she’s still getting blowback to this day. Matsuri, who has fucked up so many times but always unfucks herself afterwards and reconcile with ppl who she had spats with. Even pekomiko had the good sense to never let their differences boil over to the surface, and still deliver kino memorable content whenever they get together for big events.

EN lack that. There’s not a strong professional core who can draw the line and put the foot down. ENs all have that JP gen2 vib, without a Subaru to hold the fort.

>>34025865
They're shit streamers (gaijin side)

alot of them probably fucked some higher ups in exchange for doing concerts and shit

>>34026256
YOU LIE!

Hololive literally just copied Nijisanji's entire business model. They used to be exactly like Nijisanji, but saw how much money GFE was making, and went the idol-culture route. Nijisanji is still a more successful company overall and Hololive has little-dog syndrome.

>>34042206
>There’s not a strong professional core who can draw the line and put the foot down
Kiara fills that role but the others have problems with listening

>>34025865
They're hard carried by gfe.
Without it, they're basically nothing special and have no skill other than pandering.

>>34042739
I'm gonna need a roadmap for the niji graduations and debuts, it must be hard for them to keep the balance

>>34026018
I refuse to believe this

>>34043407
Heed the wise doggo's words

>>34025865
that it is mainstream and that /vt/ is a vocal minority

>>34043586
Honestly though I doubt she’ll actually leave Hololive completely.
Some anon on here said that maybe instead of leaving when she retires, she ends up taking a managerial position in the company instead.
We just have to see what the future holds for us all.

>>34025865
None of them will be here 10 years from now.

>>34027491
Anons, will I get in trouble if I make an AI draw cunny?

>>34025865
They don't care about their "romantic relashionship" with their audience and use them as moneybanks. And yet so many people know this and still eat it up.

>>34034250
Flirting jokingly=\ admitting to date
If Kagura Mea actullay dated she would lose so much fans so imagine an actual holo, it would be over for the company

>>34043859
Who's going to arrest you? The AI police?
actually they might in a few years.

>>34043859
Don't live in Canada or Australia and you have better chances

>>34041302
Vshojo is like playing soccer in the MLS or basketball in China
When you can't compete anymore in the big leagues, you go there to try mantain relevance. And if you were always there, you were never relevant to begin with.
And I say this as a fandead.

>>34026252
It’s hilarious seeing ichimi, nousagi and 35p argue against this whole in the same thread there is endless spamming of fan art of their characters whereas the real counterpart could never dream to have the an appearance that has as much a broad appeal as their characters. I mean, does anyone think any of the girls actually have a hair color that isn’t black (maybe brown or blonde due to styling dye jobs)?

>>34026736
This. Also, not sure why the redpill has to be exclusive to hololive like everyone else suggested, but this is the inevitable outcome of the vtuber industry

>>34033339
You are talking about today's technology. In the future, AI will be better at "betraying you" than humans. It will be more attractive to you. The behavior would be perfectly tailored to your preferences which includes the imperfections and the impression that it's actually not tailored at all to your preferences. It will feel more human than humans.

>>34033612
Girls are cute. Men are not. That's why virtual avatars are used.

You are no longer the target audience, at least for EN. They played up the parasocial and CGDCT angle, took your support and money, and now are casting you off for the normalfag Reddit and Twitter audience. Worse yet, they are calling you all incels and saying you had the wrong idea from the start, despite the fact that they played up every minute of it in order to gain their footing. This is such a hard pill to swallow that most of the Kronies are in denial, and are unable to leave her even though she clearly doesn't want them now.

>>34043586
But her words were literally she won't stop as long as people are still watching her.

>>34026071
Like Kiara

>>34042206
>JP gen2 vibe
QRD? I thought that Gen was one of the more successful ones and if not for Gen 3 would probably be top gen. Is that not the case?

>>34025865
Artia had nothing to do with the anti Coco campaign, she was framed.

Hololive x HoloStars collabs are the future. And the future is now. You can tell from these streams how genuinely happy the Holomems are. To be a creative person and no longer having to put up with ridiculous limits on your creativity, on the type of content you can make.

It's why the Hololive x HoloStars streams have been legendary. All that built-up tension and creativity released all at once, the sheer exultation knowing that their audience enjoys watching what they make together, enjoys them being creators, not puppets.

These collabs have altered what was becoming an increasingly stale product and brand. It's no secret that many of the Holomems, especially HoloEN, were increasingly frustrated and uninspired in the streams they were doing. And now there are entirely new dynamics and character relationships that can be played with, new lore for lore fans, new fan arts for the fan artists, it's not just great for the Holomems, it's great for the fan community also.

Hololive isn't what it was in the past, and that's fine. It's fine if it's not the product for everyone, just as it was fine when what it used to be might not have been for everyone. What matters is that Hololive gives the best content for the audience it wants, and that is the one thing that Hololive continues to do, and now has shown it can do beyond what it did before.

What Hololive is now is the purest form of Yagoo's dream, and now is the Golden Age of Hololive.

>>34044086
You do know there are multiple jp holos who are married, right anon? The company will be fine.

I’m not saying Rushia should rub her relationship in our face. Just be subtle and let us down gently. Cut down on the menhera needy gf schtick, be “busy” for big holidays. The unicorns will get the message and leave. Those who don’t mind will stay. It’s vtuber 101.

>>34026018
Believe in dog, retard
She will literally never quit

>>34032517
Everyone understands this except Fancucks who deluded themselves into thinking a guy and a girl living together doesn't mean they're together (kek)

>>34045764
you're right it is a great pasta, but I don't think you'll get any bites here, try a chumbud thread or something

>>34045387
>I made a perfect waifu simp bait but she’s gonna self destruct in 2 yrs for realism
Thats pretty dumb

>>34045744
Three of the G2 have been taking turns going AWOL for at least a year now.
Yes they started out pretty strong but the depression and stress rammed them pretty hard. Their boyfriends too.

>>34027221
advice on what?

>>34039805
It would be the end.

It's good

>>34025865
that chloe takes baths sometimes

>>34025865
This is the best option right now. The competition is way worse

We don't need a new generation every year.

>>34045595
Literally this. Best post.

>>34025865
lost their soul in august 2020

It's gone bad. Expired. Due to the nature of how it went down it'll never be good again. Eventually it'll be no different from Nijisanji.

>>34025865
Coco and Haachama will be fired without any second thought if the Taiwan yab happened this year.

>>34026018
Fell the same for pekora

>>34032571
weight

>>34026148
Well it depends suisei performs live rest not so

>>34025865
they actually love their job and aren't in it just for the money

>>34025949
Maybe not THE most successful, but she's definitely in the top 5, which is still a pill that's really hard to swallow for me. I have no fucking idea why people love her so much, especially all the other vtubers who say she inspired them, like what the fuck is wrong with you as a vtuber to get inspired by the cringe wigger of nippon? Is it because of her whole "I'm not fake, I'm a real one" bullshit? But I thought women love RPing? Shit doesn't make sense to my male brain.

>>34032517
This apart from having false information, completely ignores that COVER's statement came out many days after the incident which was way too late, specially over someone being heavily harassed over this.
That you don't mention how management didn't do shit to help for days shows how biased you are.

HoloEN was literally the best western women they could find. They scoured the world and couldn't find even a handful of non-karen non-whore likable women

They likely resent you for harassing non-hololive vtubers nonstop

>>34032571
she's signed to a major record label and her music views absolutely dwarf every other vtuber in the industry. RIP alone probably has more views than 99% of the industry combined

and she does it while also being in the top tier of superchat earners. she is, by all metrics, an absolute powerhouse and breakout sensation.

>>34026736
As fans we can only hope that the talents and management are able to break the cycle what you said is very true but the future is not set in the stone it isn't impossible to revolutionize the Industry for a better future

>>34039998
>>34056632
Marine's music is more popular, gets vastly better views and is played in shops, restaurants and clubs thoughout japan and she did it through promoting herself, she gets all the money. UMG hasnt come close to promoting Mori as much and they take 90% of the money, a deal with a music company is a bad thing unless it increases your views and sales at least 10x

>>34056015
no one will give a shit about pekora after she graduates

>>34056632
>signed to a major record label
this isnt the 70s, she signed up to an archaic dead system that will probably end up in DMCA chaos and make her even more hated in the sphere

>>34025949
among the current talent? yes. Ever? no, Rushia still hold that place

>>34059931(me)
*EN talents

>>34032571
>more songs than all of them
>if merch includes music hardcopies, easily at the top in hololive
But what I am getting from your post is that she's on top of the vtuber game and usually ranks Nr. 2 in most of these categories. Sasuga Numberfag.

>>34032934
14 year old brain in a 40 year old body.

>>34025971
Yes me

>>34040313
oh, but subs and views mean shit? Isn't that just popularity?

>>34035763
Matsuri and Polka said this. A hololive member is as parasocial as she wants to be. For some of the old guard or indie veterans it is too ingrained in them to quit.

>>34025865
At the end of the road of every vtuber lies tragedy and heartbreak

>>34025865
Kiara is cute and her streams are a lot of fun

>>34025865
They are better than other groups because they don't act like 99% of the rest of vtubers out there who are just your average twitch whore but with an anime avatar.
They actually let you ignore all the shit out there like relationships, politics, religion, discussing news etc.
That's what sets them apart.

>>34054185
correction: coco would've been fired immediately if haachama wasn't an accomplice in this, they can't fire haachama so they couldn't fire coco

>>34025865
HoloEN is inferior in every comprehensible way comapred to JP.
I used to think that people over exaggerate that point but when I watched the Luna and haachama collab some months ago, I was struck with that sudden realization... That no matter what, holoEN can never replicate that kino because of their somewhat stoic characters, and the fact that they don't want to appear as silly or cringy.
I don't even understand Japanese but I laughed my ass off more than I did during any en stream this fucking year, given I don't watch every single en stream but at least "event" wise, none could compare.
I just couldn't believe the sheer disparity between the two, I kept thinking of possible ways that EN could do the same hut I always reached a blank page, even if it was my headcanon... I just wanted to imagine EN doing something that entertaining but I just couldn't, it could never work.

>>34026018
No, won't happen, fuck you

>>34032571
>>34041076
>>34059841
Retard.

>>34046263
>be “busy” for big holidays
You're kinda retarded. Married holos do vday shit too. They know that it isn't only entertainment that keeps their fans, it's companionship and having their viewers gripped onto them. Keeping them gripped keeps them not gripped onto the other 20k vtubers out there who are more than happy to have any number of their fans.

Lots of niji females and males have vday events too. Why?

>>34061568
Thanks for the input, Nijifag.

>>34059888
Kek delusional little loser.

>>34059841
none of marine's biggest songs come close to the view counts on RIP or Mori's other most popular songs, and mori's music also gets played all over japan.

this is not an argument. by all objective metrics, that you can simply analyze with your own brain by looking at maybe 4 numbers total, she is the most popular musician in holo by a mile.

>>34061742
>Mori most popular musician in holo when Suisei exists

lmao

>>34061690
?????????

>>34056087
There's also shades of gray in this argument people tend to ignore. Polka's recent anniversary is an example; It was obviously pre-recorded, making it easier to handle the transitions and such, but her singing was left largely untouched from the initial performance, which is why you can hear echo, breathes, clipped words, etc., things that are typically cleaned up in post on most "Lives". So while it's not technically live, you are still getting the same audio experience as if it were.

>What is the hardest redpill.
That Hololive was simply lucky to survive after the contraction of the first generation of Vtubers, and that no one will truly understand what we lost as they have become the de facto duopoly with Nijisanji.

>>34045595
You were never the target audience, for any of them. They played up the parasocial and CGDCT angle, took your support and money, and don't give a shit who's a normie and who isn't as long as the supas keep rolling in. Most of their audience calls you incels and say you had the wrong idea from the start, because you are, and you did. The fact that you took blatant "playing up" seriously is the result of your own mental illness. You should be happy you aren't spending ten times as much on therapists. This is such a hard pill to swallow that all of the unicorns are by definition in denial, and unable to touch grass even though it's literally right outside the front door.

>>34032571
>She doesn't have the most viewed songs, that's Marine
It's one thing to sperg /#/ outside of containment, but at least show your work.

>>34056286
She has a lot of female fans, same thing with Towa.

>>34033377
>No Yab in Hololive has lived long
Unless you come here, where people are still talking about za hando.

>>34025865
The EN branch will never be as entertaining and professional as the main branch. It's not just a difference in proffesionalism, but Kiara and maybe Fauna are the only ones who are interested in being ambitious on behalf of the branch.

>>34061076
They are. They really do provide a good escapism experience, but people will still go with muh escapism

>>34056286
Have you tried asking them? Do it, you won't.

>>34027992
software name?

>>34025971
Why would it be hard to accept this?

>>34061671
Exactly. That’s why if a VT like Lucile purposefully goes missing on a holiday, it sends a powerful message that even the most schizo delusional unicorn cannot ignore.

But this is all silly talk, Rusha is long gone and we both know she hasn’t learned a single thing about how to set boundaries with her fans. I guess you can’t really expect a menhera roastie to understand subtlety.

>>34042866
Kiara is too much of a menhera herself to handle that roll, even Amelia is better at it but she doesn’t care to.

>>34061742
Ahoy has higher views than RIP, it's just split over two videos fatchama
RIP is all Mori has, she doesnt have any other solo song worth a shit and her newer songs are struggling to break a few hundred thousand views, while Treasure Box is massively viral

>>34025865
They only care about the money.

>>34027167
I would finally become full gosling

>>34025865
Fubuki is a overrated whore

The fact that they ruined a lot of this entertainmment for me by opening their EN branch. Not saying other companies wouldn't.

>>34064566
>Kiara is too much of a menhera herself to handle that roll
That is her roll, Anon. Did you miss when she told Myth to stop putting off work until the last second? Unfortunately they made excuses and didn't listen because they're lazy, irresponsible, entitled women who never mentally grew up like Kiara did.

>>34067361
It isn’t her roll if she can’t be successful at it. Kiara lacks the tact, intelligence, charisma and gravitas to pull it off.
She might want to fulfill that roll for HoloEN but it isn’t just a matter of them being awful. Kiara just isn’t cut out to be a leader.

>>34064819
This, this is the truth
Ahoy was a legit hit that has legs, it just keeps going and going, so she had to do a second extended version of it. Whenever Marine releases a new song it's a huge event, no one cares when Mori does.
RIP had a massive debut buff, but noone listens to it after that. She didn't even write it herself. All of her songs since then have steadily declined.
I was at an anime convention recently where a bunch of hololive fans started spontaneously singing Ahoy. No one sang RIP (to be fair it's hard to sing, but that also limits it's catchiness).

>>34025949
I like how she now has a fucking US based storefront (the first person to be signed by UMG Japan to have one by the way) and retards are still convinced that she doesn’t care about hololive or that she’s planning to leave at any given time. This along with her second sololive and the album coming out in December really should’ve shut everyone up but guess some pills are too big to swallow. On all fronts she’s winning hard.

>>34026394
ESL-chama...

Aqua is a monkey

>>34025896
Oh, look it's a depressed ENfag. Nene is literally my fucking wife.

None of them are real and they are not turbo lesbos

>>34061690
are holoEN watchers genuinely braindead?

>>34061076
I agree. Nobody likes twitch bitches.
That said they've always had an aura of 'I'm better than you.' both in management and talent.
Well fuck you, I could do your job ten times better than you. Swallow that redpill Tanigo.

>>34045764
If you needed males to be "creative" then you were never good in the first place

>>34025896
Suisei is literally my gf

>>34070499
Did Pekora buy her too?

>>34025865
Kiara did nothing wrong

>>34070499
Yeah, mine

>>34025865
That the industry was going to grow and shift priorities at some point, regardless of the existance of the EN branch

>>34028169
Lolicons are truly wizards after all.

-None of the girls treat this as more than a well-paying job they don't need to work hard for to get big rewards. All the "friendship" they show their fans is just a cynical lie, they feel nothing for you at best and stygian contempt for you at worst.
-Cover is using the idol formula of getting imperfect girls you want to protect and be the daddybf of to milk you of semen and money, that's why all of Hololive are several shades of broken girl. Yagoo isn't a good Samaritan, he thrives on exploiting vulnerable minds.
-The girls don't need more than a handful of gachis to be successful and rich, you're not needed and only barely tolerated for as long as you "support" your "oshi" though Cover. If you ever dream of giving money directly to her through Ko-fi or whatever, she'll get in hot waters with management.
-The song permissions are all shit that plays in radio all the time so that you never stop thinking about your oshi wherever and whenever you go outside.
-A lot of Hololive "talents" are vulnerable girls that got groomed and blackmailed, like Mumei who was groomed by Einshine or Kiara who was sold off to Japanese seedy rich fucks when she was in Junior High or Kronii who was sexually abused by her own dad.
-They're not really friends, but they understand each other well enough and they all are united by the contempt for the masturbating solitary loser called the paypig

>>34025949
mori is actually statistically and factually fat

>>34077538
Unfathomably based

>>34025865
Most of them already sucked my dick as early as 16.

>>34064819
Going by that Logic then Mori second RIP has 7.6M views which is 41M views in total. If you are going to shit post to make your pirate whore a better singer DO your reps at least faggot

>>34025949
I dunno about that, Fubuki has still probably brought in more money through the sheer amount of promotions she's done. She's definitely the most successful at music though, that's for sure.

>>34025865
The hardest truth is the one that unicorns, idolfags, anti-idolfags and passing drama mongers universally refuse to accept.

It's a motherfucking business.

>>34077538
>If you ever dream of giving money directly to her through Ko-fi or whatever, she'll get in hot waters with management.
Most holo girls have a patreon/fanbox, perplexing post.
>don't need to work hard for to get big rewards
Many holos have had to work hard in the company to get anything. Gen 2 has had collabs not even hit 50 CCV and Mikio used to average that, this is while in Hololive. Korone still works hard even though she "made it" before she had a nervous breakdown over her family being close to death, Koyori works harder and harder from the word go despite having the most live viewers for a vtuber debut in history, FBK is the face of the company but still shows up in everything while still streaming a lot, Pekora is in most lives and corpo collabs but still streams almost daily, Miko still works hard despite her difficulties, Suisei's ambition has no limit now etc.
They're not really friends,
Korone and Okayu are friends from their NND days before anyone made any money for anything. Mio and Okayu are friends from NND days. Fubuki and Mio are friends from before they were ever workmates. Pekora and Miko were friends and they didn't even meet through the internet even if things went down recently.

>>34026018
Same could be said of any Holomem or chuuba in general who plans to go stick around as long as possible. Life will make it impossible for some, others will decide it's a good time to hang the mantle.

>>34025865
It's a toss up between
>Women don't have attractive personalities without kayfabing or having strict management
>Brand popularity doesn't equate to quality
>People that watch for entertainment don't donate to the business
>To vtubers the ideal fan is someone that drops blank reds and lurks in chat

Hololive is mostly Reddit-tier shit and has been so since mid-2020.The good stuff coming out is either from a select few fan-creators and one or two holos with interesting personalities.
People get tilted about the whole "Vtuber fans are the new bronies" thing, but it's pretty much how it is.

>>34026736
I might be alone on this but I feel like the internet, being the cyclical beast that it is, will inevitably create another VTubing renaissance after Hololive is gone. It might be 1 year or even decades later, but it WILL come back eventually.

>>34081509
>Women don't have attractive personalities without kayfabing or having strict management
That's an incredibly short-sighted observation, you can believe Hololive went to shit based on individual people's merits and not because you reduce them to a category (which is a false equivalence btw, not every woman is like this you fucking virgin)

>>34077538
>-None of the girls treat this as more than a well-paying job they don't need to work hard for to get big rewards.
Complete bullshit. Nene worked herself to exhaustion, Marine nearly destroyed her voice, and Kiara danced for 10 hours to get her birthday concert done. Some of the girls are lazy but others work so hard it actually fucking hurts them.
>If you ever dream of giving money directly to her through Ko-fi or whatever, she'll get in hot waters with management.
That a complete lie.
>-The song permissions are all shit that plays in radio all the time so that you never stop thinking about your oshi wherever and whenever you go outside.
Cover isn't in charge of the song permissions, you dumb nigger. Perms are controlled by the copyright holders.
>-A lot of Hololive "talents" are vulnerable girls that got groomed and blackmailed
Source: the voices in your head.
>they all are united by the contempt for the masturbating solitary loser called the paypig
Yes, they all hate the people who give them money and enable them to make a living in their chosen career path. Got any more fanfic?

>>34025865
The girls in Myth never became real friends. Comparing them to later gens its hard to say they even made a real effort. Sure, they get along alright, and can connect somewhat due to working together for so long, but by now its clear there's nothing lasting.

>>34077538
>>34077538
>Kronii who was sexually abused by her own dad
Schizo... KEK

>>34082276
Ame and Gura are friends, they play a lot off-stream.
Ame and Kiara are friends, it is very obvious


Kiara and Mori were friends but they grew apart
Mori and Gura may not be friends but they do get along very, very well
Gura and Ina may not be friends either, but they do get along very well.
Mori and Ame may not be friends either, but they do get along very well.

Mori and Ina are definitely not friends, just coworkers.
Kiara and Gura are definitely not friends, just coworkers.
Ina and Ame are definitely not friends, just coworkers.
Ina and Kiara are definitely not friends, just coworkers

>>34086524
>Ina and Kiara are definitely not friends, just coworkers
They literally cuddled in the off collab

Council brought nothing of value or worth to Hololive.

>>34025865
Vtubers who are working in the corps doesn't really care much about number of viewers.

>>34025865
Assuming they even do their jobs right, Hololive as a corporation runs on an ultimately unsustainable business model. Each new generation introduced in a bid to attract new viewers will eventually just reduce the viewers of the older generations (minus the premier exceptions) as the audience finds their new best oshis. If the audience does stick to oshis from older generations, then the audience pool will just get successively smaller for new generations.
I think management is, at this point, hoping that by adding new talents, they can attract highly attached whales from the audience pool who might not have simped the previous talents.

>>34025865
The amount of Hololive members that don't think is higher than those that do think.

>>34025949
The actual redpill is that Mori is carried by her tit model and hasn't done anything of value for anyone other than herself. Deadbeats refuse to recognize this for some reason.

>>34025896
fpbp

>>34025865
EN3 is HoloENs last hope

>>34025865
Aside from a few really outstanding Vs they have, the rest are all pretty mid and Cover isn't that great of a company

>>34087192
I don't think that's the case, a majority of watchers will watch multiple girls, if anything the biggest problem Hololive has is that all the girls stream roughly the same time (although one could say that most streamers will try and hit that prime time). You also have to consider that for every girl they debut, they are also removing a medium to small size streamer (direct competition) and bringing them onboard to make money for them, which means more money from merch, concerts and sponsorships.

In terms of a viewer directly leaving their Oishi for another Oishi, so long as it's within Hololive that source of income never leaves. As for newer gens, each one finds more initial success over the previous one, before finding a stable audience

>>34032571
Mori might not be #1 overall, but if we want to talk about the monsters of Hololive, she's indisputably part of the conversation. She might lose on any given statistic but she averages so high in so many, the whole becomes greater than any of the individual parts. Gura, Pekora and Lamy are basically non-factors outside of streaming/vTubing. Rushia is gone and thus irrelevant. Marine does well per song but she can't compete on number of tracks while Mori has already released a proper album and has had her own live concert where she sold out a concert hall on top of who knows how many digital buys.

While none of us can say for sure who's overall the top earner, I'd bet money that Mori is top 4 at least. If you want to talk about Gura, Pekora or Marine, Mori belongs in that conversation as the all-rounder.

>>34091306
The only question left to ask is, does Mori deserve her success?

>>34025865
they won't play any paradox map games

>>34090145
Maybe it isn’t the case in the short term, but how many of us retards (who want to watch 3D anime girls stream) do you think there are out there? The market is not infinite, and the time each retard has is limited. Even if we want to watch multiple girls’ streams, only a king neet could manage it. I’m only subscribed to a dozen or so channels, but I cannot watch them all every time they stream, even without the overlapping scheduling. Even if these girls’ sub counts aren’t largely dead, they are inflated by the subs who only rarely watch. Then add to the fact that a lot of subs are only buying merch from their main oshis, and you have a potentially significant cascading issue (as again, we retards have finite money for the hobby). Basically new viewers, and thus new sources of income, are limited once a branch is established.
Your second point goes to long term retention, which is good, but we were talking about Hololive’s model of growth. Is it worth investing in new streamers if the audience is unlikely to grow significantly (i.e., the shared subs I discuss above)/will only be shuffled around between the girls?

>>34092248
What does "deserve" mean here?

>>34092347
There are new markets to pander to and new girls could be vehicles to attract potential new viewers from that market. The common requested traits to newer gens such as "loves hololive" and "respects idol culture" are useless qualities in that regard because not only it's the equivalent of putting "god-fearing" in the job requirements but also because those qualities only please the existing fans, and existing fans aren't the new market a company would look for. Those old viewers can be content with their old oshi and wouldn't jump ship to the new hotness anyway if they are truly loyal. Not saying Cover should appeal to slackivists demanding a more co-ed experience because those people never pay, but to other autistic hobby groups that have plenty of disposable income such as; the ttrpg community or more niche music genres with a very zealous following.

>>34092382
NTA but the way I read it is “has she earned the level of success, fame, and wealth she enjoys right now?” just my guess that is

>>34093067
How do you decide if someone earned it or not? Those are personal value judgements and we could argue all day about it and never agree to anything.
But if we're going to as Mori herself if she thinks she deserves her success; she does not.

>>34025865
That JP are infinitely bigger whores than EN, they just know how to hide it in RM accounts or barely mention it in off collabs

>>34091306
Mori is not a monster anymore. She was for a short while. Before the major population caught on that she was a disgusting whale.

>>34025865
The fans are faggots

Knowing i will never make it into hololive, makes me cry every day

>>34093254
This is the ultimate definition of cope.

>>34092785
Bingo. That’s the tough pill to swallow. If Cover wants further growth out of Hololive, the growth model needs to be changed. Or maybe the bitter pill is that Cover is a business, and businesses seek growth rather than stability? In any case, we reach the conclusion that Hololive has been using an unsustainable growth model.

>>34093067
>>>34092382
>NTA but the way I read it is “has she earned the level of success, fame, and wealth she enjoys right now?” just my guess that is
She worked hard for her success. Is there anything else she needs to do to deserve it?

>>34032749
How dare you. Pekora is a top comedian idol

>>34094197
Holy rock dwelling

>>34077538
ENfag.....I feel a bit sorry that you have become such a negative person due to some HoloEN members

>>34025865
Holo started getting boring after they marketed to EN.
They should have stayed as JP/ID and focused on that market instead of watering down their content for the West.

>>34025865
Nobody in HoloJP upper management cares about EN except for Gura.

>IRyS wants a new model? Isn't she a VSinger?
>They want technical help for a special collab? Just get Ame to do it

the best lolis are the hags

>>34087192
Isn't that almost similar to how the idol industry works? And idol industry has been around for years

>>34096487
ENfag, talking shit out of their asses again. If you think your en whores got any different treatment from the jp's you never watched one stream of the og branch. Cover is a shitty company that don't provide for their talents.

>>34096487
But logically speaking shouldn't those sort issues be handled by EN management? A certain level of authority has been delegated to EN branch
If everything should be handled by the main branch, might as well do something like what Niji did to their ID and KR branch

>>34096487
Side branches are disposable. They learned their lesson after CN

>>34062345
>You should be happy you aren't spending ten times as much on therapists.
>therapists
The real redpill is that vtubing and incel culture exist because after ww2 there was a concerted effort to subvert healthy men and mental health across the world. If you lurked, you'd know these anons know that they can't trust mental health professionals and don't take their meds. The hard pill to swallow is that badgering eunuchs and their jewish masters have chased these men to the hands of whores pretending to be cartoon characters and that's still not enough.

>>34062345

Shut the fuck up you medicated, Whacked and sorely beaten the fuck out Cuck


I'll touch a stripper pole faster then this sorry ass board could and would ever have Integrity


And if your EN Talent, the School line is that way

Beta bucks is dwindling, Sorry you couldn't keep it in your nasty ass trousers

>>34025865
Gura's popularity caused the recline of HoloEN. Cover sees Gura's success and tries to copy her strategy with how they treat the others in EN and what they tried to go for with Council, but she is the one person that shouldn't have been the golden goose of Myth. if anyone else got the numbers, EN would have had a much better example in front of them:
>Mori's success would push Cover for putting more emphasis on music in EN and would have killed unicorns a long time ago, nipping the current drama in the bud
>Ame's leadership would bring an age of new projects and creative thinkers inside the branch, 3D debuts would be a thing of the past by now surely
>Ina as the golden standard would put focus on talents with successful side gigs and Cover would focus on a lot of in-house projects more
>a Kiara-lead Myth would urge Cover to push cross-branch interactions and a wider international experience while at the same time tying EN closer to the rest of the company
Meanwhile right now as long as you play games from time to time and engage in meme culture, Cover will see it as fine and will leave everyone to their own devices, which has ran out of energy by now and the audience is slowly dwindling away to NijiEN/Vshojo/Phase Connect/indies.

>>34025865
That Mori is a fucking moron.

Her job literally relies almost exclusively on having a fast and reliable internet connection, then she moved into the fucking American boonies which are notorious for having absolutely shit internet service options. She's likely got only 1 option for service, possibly 2 if she can get Starlink but if it's even available or appropriate for streaming, who knows. On her Twitcast, she said she got 18mbps down which implies she's on ADSL which means her upload is probably 1mbps and she's not going to have options to fix it without paying hundreds of thousands, if not millions for someone to run fibre or she needs to move.

Calling it now, ~4 months of Mori having limited streaming capability because she made a dumb decision about where to live. 2 months of fighting with the problem, 2 months of finding somewhere else to live. Could be even worse if she signed a year long lease or bought the property outright and needs to wait for a sale.

>>34097975
Source? This manga looks fun

>>34025865
They are not lesbians or if they have bi inclination they don't lust after coworkers.
Also more than one of them rather hang out with people outside hololive than with their coworkers.

>>34026252
Bae roommate is miori regular and literally only a very small bunch knows despite ever since the off collab that chuuba has a grey brrats infestation asking bae related shit and i even once seen one asking that kind of stuff with "Bae" message still on screen.
People oshi the brand for real.

>>34082074
>>34079715
>cherrypicking exceptions
The mark of the shill. They were never hurt, they just wanted a vacation day.
Pro-tip: Japan made blackmailing girls into prostitution an artform and Ayame can go away for months and so did Sana. They're still richer than you'll ever be, ten-cent Cover soldiers. By they way, my source is from simping big bux in a corpo chuuba's Ko-fi and getting discouragement streams for it. Giving them money directly is a threat to the company's promotion power, get your heads out of your asses.

>>34026018
Wrong. She won't graduate. She will die of old age.

>>34077538
>Kronii who was sexually abused by her own dad
Based. Daughters belong to their papa.

>>34077538
ALL OF THESE VOICES INSIDE OF MY HEAD
BLINDING MY SIGHT IN A CURTAIN OF RED

>>34102928
So you're saying there's a chance of mori graduating?

>>34077538
Monetary support is only acceptable for 3views 2views, these are more worth

That one day the person or people you've been supporting for days months and years will one day disappear.

>>34025865
Game permission bullshit completely cripple the potential of their streams.

>>34025865
The only hope HoloEN has is just fiction. Sorry IRyS. There is no hope for HoloEN to get back on track. The males are not going to retreat. The HoloEN will sink.

>>34025865
HoloES would have been better than HoloEN

>>34106214
>telenova but in anime form
I mean I guess it would be entertaining in a sense but that sort of thing would probably fit better under nijisanji's branding than hololive.

>>34045749
We are talking about fact.
Faggot

>>34046441
They weren't living together, EOP retard

>>34106214
>HoloKR would have been better than HoloEN
fixed

>>34059888
Seeting 35tard, where is your skin already?

>>34025865
What's a redpill again?

>>34025971
With how fucking bad she is at doing it with a dildo I actually can believe she has never done the real thing. Now laying there while they use her tits, sure I can see that.

>>34098902
/thread/

>>34097654
The truth is you should go back to
>>>/pol/

>>34071330
now that's a redpill

>>34081509
>To vtubers the ideal fan is someone that drops blank reds and lurks in chat
Kiara hates blank red superchats though, meanwhile Mori believes this

>>34096686
Idols retire all the time due to getting too old and it being too expensive to keep them around. A hololive member costs nothing to maintain and they can't age out of it.

>>34077538
Yeah, this sounds like a HoloEN problem buddy

>>34113722
>>34096356
It's funny because all the points people make to disprove this guy use HoloJP.

>>34056286
She's carried hard by her music, her actual streams get absurdly low views relative to her sub count.

>>34025949
Winner, I fucking hate this.She is not THE most successful, but the amount of success she has by being basically the antithesis of a holo,. is a hard pill to swallow

>>34116077
>Music vtuber gets carried by her music
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

>>34070522
>He fell for the husband meme

I'm so sorry anon.

>>34032517
>sending inside info to some drama YouTuber
even braindead dramatuber realized he wants no part in upcoming lawsuit it would create
yet we see people coping "she did nothing wrong"

>>34042866
>others have problems with listening
understandable, she has annoying voice

>>34025865
>Very few of the JP talents are actually sincere, and pretending to be someone else gets tiring after a while(thus reducing stream hours)
When was the last time your oshi did a fun project involving fanbase? There's your answer...
>Roughly half of the tweets about studio days are bullshit, they are taking a day off most likely
>Cover claims they let talents build their channel and branding, while simultaneously enforce absurdly thick rulebook that "protects the company image"

>>34109060
Funny how Fancucks never have any proofs except "muh EOP"

>>34025865
They're actually just better than the competition and no amount of shitposting, baiting and unicorn posting will change that

>>34118524
Funny how antis lurk bait threads because they get laughed out of any general they raid

>>34103179
>noel exists
Bitches love big titties

>>34118524
>>34119109
Funny how you guys should kiss

>>34026018

>>34062768
boku no pico

>>34025865
I dropped them when I learned that they're not anime girls in real life, thankfully I watch actual vtubers now instead of these fakers

>>34092785
I mean, Hololive already has TTRPG players like Fubuki. But it would really help if they did more of it, and made more strongly branded TTRPG streams instead of collabs with randos.

>>34110193
HoloKR? I'd rather have HoloBR before any of that shit.

>>34025865
the hardest redpill is that using the term "redpill" is absolutely retarded

>>34026071
>None of them would make it without the anime gimmick
Vtubing is a strange isolated bubble. Do something on your own as a face cam streamer or content creator and you're a dime a dozen. Do the same with a moving anime avatar and you suddenly become the greatest thing since sliced bread, or have at least a much higher chance to become so through means like agencies.

The hardest redpill is that EN and ID aren't hololive, they never will be.

You claim to support Hololive yet don't watch Mel, Roboco, AzKi, Aki, etc.

>>34077538
>Kronii who was sexually abused by her own dad.
Considering kronii's habits it's not surprising she's from a abusive neglectful household, people who tend to hoard weird types of food whilst having no understanding how how to make or manage food at all is usually a sign of having been starved for long periods of time with occasional access to large amounts of food, she was probably allowed unlimited access to ordering subway whenever her parents entered a "lovebombing phase,"in abusive relationships the abusers will occasionally feel guilty about what they do and proceed to give excessive amounts of affection or gifts to make up for it/make the abused feel that their abusers still love them this is refered to often as "love bombing"
So now she hoards subways subs because it's the only way she understands food and is probably one of the few positive memories she's held from her parents

>>34025896
The odds of getting branded is better than the odds of ever meeting any Hololive member in person, let alone a favorite.

>>34025949
Have you looked at any of her numbers in the past 6 months?
Anon she's getting half the viewership of ina, her UMG album was a flop on itunes, and she constantly talking about falling out of love with "her fast food job" and wanting to just stay back home in america

>>34026018
She had a chance to graduate but decided against it, she's in it until covercorp shuts down

>>34025865
EN3 will collab with males.

>>34026736
Fewer but not zero

>>34103663
>So you're saying there's a chance of mori graduating?
I wouldn't hold my breath. Mori is married to Hololive and people have taken longer breaks than that and persisted. And this ignores that she will still be able to stream periodically, she'll just need to do it from other places.

>>34025896
fpbp

>>34037486
That is maybe because they are not appealing to the main western demographic? I mean, Japan?Vtubers are more accepted there.
Indonesia? Has a large weeb audience, but if you hit them with the culture of their internet, then you can get them.
Holo EN? They feel like a parody of Holo Jp.

>>34129494
Like. . .I would advise to not SPAM it only. More importantly, rather than have in mind who to collab, they should care about building their Solo identity 1st and then collab with their genmates.
They should, however, be willing to adress each other in twitter, to kill down any awkardness.

>>34141723
>I would advise to not SPAM it only.
or not have the collabs take place in their channel

>>34025865
Drop the character and everything turns to shit

>>34025865
miko saying nigger doomed hololive in the long run

>>34128449
>half the viewership as ina
she's playing JRPGS and VNs, she'll get the numbers again.
>UMG Album was a flop on itunes
source on that? it was high numbers on the charts last time I checked.

>>34026018
Oh I'm die, thank you forever...

>>34025896
>>34025949

Fuck you

>>34056286
> I thought women love RPing
They RP about being real.

>>34025971
It was me

>>34026148
This.

>>34025896
Rushia is literally my unironic girlfriend.

>>34027167
Fucking idiot that doesn't know the first thing about machine learning or artificial intelligence. The day that happens half the jobs would get automated and I wouldn't bet on reaching retirement on the other half.

>>34148172
Ironically the day we reach this technology white collar jobs are going to get hit the hardest while trades will be among the last to be automated.