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>>34028450
as i said, the concern for climates is fair. i would say something about the state of /vt/ to have anons that were such petty, spoiled brats that they would refuse to engage in something just because they can't abruptly enter a project that has been active well before they entered and have everything centered around them in the way they want it to be, but then i remember where i am. there is also a consideration for the kinds of anons we want representing other threads, otherwise threads could gain a reputation here that doesn't represent the thread they came from, especially if it's less flattering. if it's more flattering, such as the case with /risu/, then i guess that is fine. og might be a coomskulled smoothbrain, but having a smooth brain is miles ahead of his peers, i've found. also, why aren't we making the new thread before the old one dies? i thought we agreed on a method to prevent that.

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>>34031466
But... Why did they ban her?

>>34028055
I mean, just because most of us can't choose our neighbour in the current system (and in real life, I suppose), and that it will be superseded by future arrivals (debatable - do we want existing writers to reject new writers' suggestion of being neighbours?) doesn't mean it has to stay a privilege, or that we shouldn't still try to maximise it as much as possible.
As for climate, I think the issue then becomes what constitutes "small, self-correcting changes". Does a mountain count? How about a whole county? Entire island? What if the whole country changes its climate but it magically stops at the border? also, what does 'last resort" here means? Does it even mean anything if the writer is dead-set on a specific climate (whether or not we think it is justified)? The thread as a whole rejecting that would probably just mean driving out the writer in question, and if the thread consent to it lest that happens, does it really count as a last resort anymore?

>>34031673
No baker active at the moment, so I had to do an emergency bake. It has been a while since I did that, actually.

>>34031391
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>>34031970
i was just disagreeing with the idea that it could be classified as a liberty. it's a privilege that nobody is entitled to, but that can be granted arbitrarily at the whims of the thread at the time. if two threads want to be neighbors, and if there is an available spot for them to do so, there is no problem. keep in mind that you can also have embassies for nations that are distant but want to have closer relations with each other.
>debatable - do we want existing writers to reject new writers' suggestion of being neighbours?
what's debatable about it? it's a privilege, it was granted to the old first, so granting it to new will necessarily impose restriction and forced changes on the old, but it isn't a liberty of either, and can therefore be revoked for any reason from either. ultimately, the privileges of those who were first granted it should have precedence if either is going to, but there is no importance in precedence for something that can be arbitrarily decided at any point.
as for climates, it's pretty simple what constitutes small changes. climate is a chaotic system where small changes in the climate of one part of the planet can radically alter the climate of another. as long as those changes are mostly centralized, or that the changes don't harm aspects of the lore from another. basically, you want to avoid negative externalities. if the writer is so dead set on a specific climate that that decision alone drives them out, even when it has negative externalities that could push existing writers out just as easily, see >>34031673.

>>34033228
Yes, and I disagree with the idea that it *should* be classified as a privilege despite its limited and often mutually exclusive nature. The fact that sooner or later some restrictions will have to be in place because of the finite nature of l*nd on the map doesn't inherently justify it being considered a privilege that should be granted and revoked arbitrarily.
>climate
Is it really that simple, though? How centralised is sufficiently centralised? For example, Mt Mori's Chill Zone is probably the most centralised example, with it creating a supernatural icecap on the mountain and the l*nd around it. I vaguely remember the initial number is a "mere" 500km radius, but that nonetheless causes a noticeably change to half the isl*nd's climate. Now, consider another example, /mep/'s climate is changed to hot-summer Mediterranean and hot desert within its border, with or without a bit of leakage towards /risu/ at the border. Does the change in rainfall pattern and winter temperature have an effect beyond its border? /mep/per says no, and the climate is still similar enough to the original one to justify the effect not being noticeable. A final example on the other end of extreme, namely /nijimale/ and its continental climates. This time, the change is significant enough that unless we have its effect stops magically at the border somehow, it would probably affect its half of the continent (and the peninsula next door, if it's not on said continent).
Can you really draw a line on what is centralised and what is not in these cases? While you can always say the effect stops at the border like Chernobyl cloud at France and still fit the "don't harm aspects of the lore from another" criteria, the resulting patchwork climate isn't something I can say is consistent with good conscience.
I'm not saying that we should force the aforementioned countries to change it back, just that precedents like these only serve to illustrate the point that we don't (and can't) know what environment a future writer would want, and keep patching up the climate to fit the existing map and the writers' wish is not going to result in a consistent system.

>>34034087
Personally, I don't think there is so much an issue with magically changing the climate, as with doing so thoughtlessly. Like, if there's a specific natural feature, like Mt. Mori, the Cold Hole from /mans/, or the /mhm/ island, which has a high concentration of magic and the effect it has on the surrounding land is considered carefully and taken to its logical conclusion, I think that is quite fine and interesting. Setups where the magical effect is somehow contained within arbitrary (and realistically, changing) borders seems to interfere more with the setting's climate coherency. That's my opinion, at least. I'd like those climate changes to originate in some kind of "something" that exists in the world.

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>>34035177
I'm not saying they aren't interesting - I quite enjoy some of them, actually. That said, the issue isn't as much as whether it is justified by magic (see >>34035237), but rather its arbitrary range. There are extremes on both ends, and we do agree on one being more acceptable than the other, but the difficulty lies in trying to determine where the line should be drawn in the middle - how localised is localised? How far should the effect be felt until it is no longer logical? Does it really matter that much compared with the writers' wish anyway? We joked about then-tropical Anya-Petra being a frozen wasteland months ago, but now I don't think we can really deny a similar proposal without looking arbitrary, considering that we already have examples of something similar, and opening that floodgate doesn't seem like a good idea in terms of maintaining some semblance of the setting's consistency. For me, the mere fact that the province system could potentially resolve that situation by just letting the writer pick the land with the right climate is enough to support it, even if it has its own issues.

>>34035534
Oh, I agree with you completely on that. Better to give new reps more flexibility to prevent this kind of issue imo. I just wanted to share my view on the whole "magic weather" thing.

>>34035906
Yeah, fair enough. I get to reassert that I'm not against it per se too (given that I did help with some of these cases) so all is well.

>>34034087
when i said it is a privilege, i mean that is what it is. it's not about what should or shouldn't be. that is why i brought up the concept of classification. because it's characteristics make it necessarily a privilege and not a liberty, same as how a bachelor is an unmarried man. you can say you think an unmarried man shouldn't be classified as a bachelor, despite being an unmarried man, but that won't change the fact that that is exactly what they are. a privilege is something that has to be granted because all privileges are, by definition, limited and mutually exclusive. a liberty is, by definition, not limited, and not mutually exclusive. you are always at liberty to do it. that is what separates liberties from privileges. one must be granted, while the other can only be infringed on.
>How centralised is sufficiently centralised?
i think the disagreements we are having might be over the meanings of the words we use. i thought i made it as clear as possible that i only care about negative externalities, and i thought that was the simplest thing to understand in that context, but if you want me to yet again restate my point, then basically all you need to do is figure out which areas ---external to--- the area that is making the change, the areas that are not centralized in the region controlled by the thread that made the proposal in the first place, are going to be affected by that change and how, and then get their consent by asking them whether or not that change would produce negative results for their lore, therefore avoiding --negative externalities.-- things that negatively affect parties that exist external to the instigating interaction.
if you make a change that only affects your own climate, the fact that you were the one to propose it means you automatically consent to it, and with no other affected parties, yours is the only consent that matters. if others are affected as well, you must get their consent, too. once all affected parties, be that one or all nations on the planet, have given their consent, after having been informed of the externalities, they can tell us whether or not those externalities are harmful enough to their lore that it would set them back at all, or if those changes are positive changes that they prefer over what they have already.
if they prefer the kind of changes that will happen, or are indifferent to those changes, then they are not negative externalities. if you changing your climate changes someone else's climate who was here before you and had the privilege to decide their climate before you came into the project, then the one who was already here would get precedence if either of their opinions mattered, which they don't because both of their privileges can be revoked arbitrarily.
this is not to say they should be, but that by being of the classification of a privilege, those privileges can be revoked for any reason the thread decides on. we'll just try to find the most reasonable way to decide on it that will hopefully help us avoid unnecessary conflict, but the fact that the thread can't avoid making a decision, and that that decision could be anything the thread decides on, is how we know that it is a privilege granted by the thread, distributed based on the reasoning of the thread. the thread is required for it to be granted. a liberty would be there until the thread actively infringed on that liberty.
when i said
>small changes, or self-correcting changes that could be caused by more region-locked magical effects
i did, in fact, mean to reference cases such as /morig/, who has a small, self-correcting, region-locked change affecting only their own country's climate that is caused by their magic system. i don't know how this will come out, so i apologize for any problems, or if i end up offending anyone. i was just trying to cover my bases to make sure my point got across, but i'm fairly sure that at least one of them might sound less polite than i intended, and my situation at the moment makes me care a bit less about it due to being preoccupied with other things, believe it or not. just consider the fact that i am tone-deaf and largely socially incompetent in real-world conversations, especially when i am overstimulated or mentally/physically fatigued. hopefully this at least gets the point across, though.

>>34036500
I highly doubt that saying "you can do what you want until we decide otherwise for whatever reason we see fit" is going to comfort people, but moving on...
>climate change
Yes, I'm aware of /morig/'s case and its effect only noticeable in /morig/ itself, but using arguably the most limited example of supernatural climate change as a ballpark is probably not a good idea, considering all the other cases that we've mentioned. Given the fictional nature of this world, we can always say the magical climate change stops at the border somehow, and nowhere outside the country is affected in the slightest. That would fit the criteria mentioned even if it doesn't really make any sense beyond >>34035237. Unless we work out the reasoning of the thread and establish some consistent rules (which I feel will nonetheless end up having a lot of borderline cases and exemptions to be consistent, if the tech timeloops are of any indication), the arbitrary restrictions are going to make the world rather inconsistent one way or other. Granted, the province system is not going to solve the issue entirely, since people can still pick a fitting climate and still want a magical environment, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be minimised by removing the need to completely overhaul one's climate.

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>>34037154
i really think you are overcomplicating things.
>I highly doubt that saying "you can do what you want until we decide otherwise for whatever reason we see fit" is going to comfort people
>we'll just try to find the most reasonable way to decide on it that will hopefully help us avoid unnecessary conflict, but the fact that the thread can't avoid making a decision, and that that decision could be anything the thread decides on, is how we know that it is a privilege granted by the thread, distributed based on the reasoning of the thread.
it doesn't have to comfort them, but we'll find the most comfortable way of dealing with it because we want it to be comfortable. if at any point that was no longer the case, then we could arbitrarily revoke that privilege for whatever excuse we decided on because privileges are granted, nobody is entitled to a privilege for any reason.
>even if it doesn't really make any sense beyond >>34035237.
comfyanon stopped updating the chuubanite rentry, so i am not sure how long it will take for it to be finished, but i'm pretty sure the one that already exists is detailed enough to hammer in the fact that this system, despite having a fairly hard, well-defined rule system for how it works, is capable of pretty much anything you could want, provided you are ok with the method being out of your control, and the fact that we want to keep abilities balanced from a meta perspective. the fact that /morig/ did it should be evidence enough that there is already a clear method of doing it without contradicting the rules. but again, that is just one example of how it could be done. you don't even necessarily need the magic system to do it, as long as you can make a convincing enough argument for why it won't affect others that stands the tests of our dedicated climate anons.
there are no border cases. either everyone affected by the climate change consents to it being changed, or it is not changed. we spend a lot of time talking about how an anon might join the thread and feel pushed out because they can't have the climate they want, but we spend no time at all thinking about what that very same anon will feel when a new anon comes in and wants to change the climate back. so far, the argument has been that since some anons who aren't even here might potentially be petty enough to feel entitled to a specific kind of climate that we might not be able to grant, we should therefore force existing anons who are here to strive for the impossible by making the climate able to adapt to the unpredictable desires of as of right now imaginary individuals, all for the sake of making sure these non-entities feel comfortable entering the thread, and don't get driven out by not having easy access to a scarce supply of options.
what about when they are given what they want, only to have it changed by the inclusion of a new anon. will you choose to drive out the old, or the new? there will inevitably come a time when you will have to, and when that time comes, you'll see that it would have been far easier, and far fairer to have just been consistent with your expectations from the beginning, but by then it would be too late for any easy, simple solution. you are overcomplicating it, consider reevaluating the situation, do away with considerations for the comfort of hypothetical people who aren't here to defend themselves, and think about the simplest option we have of just letting things be as they are. instead of granting anyone any privilege, inform people of their options and let them decide which of the options they find most agreeable, else give them the opportunity to make proposals that will have the least harmful effect on the people who are here now, not those who might be here later because they are as numerous as they are intangible.
if they choose to leave due to their inability to make do with what they have, or to find a way to change things without harming the rest of the thread, do not try to force them to stay. you don't need to interfere in these regards. if anything, you should want to drive the more toxic, entitled, or lazy individuals out, not that all cases will be as simple as that, but just because the individual case is relatively complex doesn't mean the solution won't be. the solution is always the same, and that consistency is what will make it fair. only when people choose to add exceptions will there be room for the arbitrary, nonsensical, and genuinely harmful results that we are trying to avoid by having these discussions. that's my perspective, anyways.

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>>34039250
>what about when they are given what they want, only to have it changed by the inclusion of a new anon. will you choose to drive out the old, or the new?
NTA, we've already had that happen, the solution is to have anons work it out one way or the other, forcing a standard solution over specific issues is nonsense, as you say.
To me, it is you that is overcomplicating things.

>>34040692
>the solution is to have anons work it out one way or the other
>To me, it is you that is overcomplicating things.
even in my attempt to clarify things, i am misunderstood. you say forcing a standard solution is nonsense while advocating for a standard solution, the very same solution i was advocating for, as though it were to contradict my suggestion. the lack of a solution is a solution where the standard of allowing things to settle themselves is preferred. in this context, what that would look like would be that when someone makes a proposal that has no effect on others, nobody will try to prevent them from doing it because nobody is affected enough to care. alternatively, when someone makes a proposal that does have an effect on others, it will be considered a matter to be decided between the affected parties where the one causing the disruption will have the burden of convincing the others that the change will not negatively affect them, else they will try to find a less disruptive proposal.
the alternative proposal which i was fighting against was the idea that we should strive to make things more comfortable for newcomers by artificially privileging them with the ability to decide their climate, even if it would disrupt the climates of others who were already here, to avoid "driving out" the potential newcomers in this hypothetical scenario. i am explaining to the other individuals why it is nonsensical to worry about such hypothetical scenarios, and how there is a far more simplistic solution that doesn't require the use of privileges which are, by their very nature, and regardless of how they appear, arbitrary. the fact that privileges are granted means they must have a granter, and that by their sole authority as a granter, they have the right to do with it as they please. thus the decisions they make over who gets a privilege is arbitrary, regardless of how much you agree personally with the excuse for that decision, the fact that that excuse is unnecessary means it could have been any other excuse and would have been just as legitimate in all but public viewing, which itself is just as arbitrary. you and i seem to be on the same boat in this regard, if i am understanding your reply correctly.

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>>34039250
>we could arbitrarily revoke that privilege for whatever excuse we decided on because privileges are granted
Are you sure that's how we want to be perceived as?
>as long as you can make a convincing enough argument for why it won't affect others that stands the tests of our dedicated climate anons
>either everyone affected by the climate change consents to it being changed, or it is not changed
Personally I'm fine with that, which I suppose is a way to ensure that most climate changes are very localised. Probably won't be a good news for those who want to change the whole country's climate, though.
>what about when they are given what they want, only to have it changed by the inclusion of a new anon
Well, the old Anya-Petra anon was fine with the tropical environment while the current one wasn't, so we know our existing solution would be to let them change place with others. The same would still be applicable with the province system - if anything, the addition of blank space would make the process easier since it won't necessarily affect others.

>>34044646
>Are you sure that's how we want to be perceived as?
are you sure bachelors should be percieved as unmarried men?
>Probably won't be a good news for those who want to change the whole country's climate, though.
do you own your country? if so, you have complete control over the climate of your country. do you not own your country? then it isn't your country.
>so we know our existing solution would be to let them change place with others
if there was another available (as in unoccupied) place that they prefer that is already the way they want their environment to be, then there was never any dispute in the first place. all i'm saying is that they shouldn't be able to change the climate of the place they exist in if it effects the climate of other anons who did not consent to those changes. i wasn't disagreeing at all with the idea that they can pick whatever available space they want to be in.

>>34044646
>>34046173
>Are you sure that's how we want to be perceived as?
to try to clarify yet again what i meant by that
>>34036500
>when i said it is a privilege, i mean that is what it is. it's not about what should or shouldn't be.
>>34041522
>the fact that privileges are granted means they must have a granter, and that by their sole authority as a granter, they have the right to do with it as they please. thus the decisions they make over who gets a privilege is arbitrary, regardless of how much you agree personally with the excuse for that decision, the fact that that excuse is unnecessary means it could have been any other excuse and would have been just as legitimate in all but public viewing, which itself is just as arbitrary.
in other words, i am not advocating that we grant blatantly arbitrary privileges, i am pointing out the fact that privileges are all based on the arbitrary decisions of the granter, regardless of what excuse they use to justify granting that privilege, which is just a fact of how privileges work. pointing out someone is a bachelor says nothing about why they are a bachelor, or whether or not they should be, or even whether or not we should lie to ourselves and say that they aren't actually a bachelor, despite the fact that they are an unmarried man, just because we think it shouldn't be the case. you'll never change the fact that that is what it is, and it makes you look like an incel if you insist on lying about having a girlfriend or girl(male)friend to marry, but you can do that. at this point, this discussion seems to be losing my interest in it. if you still don't get it, so be it. i don't think we disagree on anything substantive at this point, just that you are misunderstanding some of my points. thanks for the discussion, it was entertaining. i'll figure out if there is anything more to gain from this conversation with your response but i'll probably end it here otherwise.

>>34046173
>>34046734
Yeah, fair enough, let's leave it here for now since we've taken enough screen time in the thread.

>>34046839
Oh no, please do go on. It makes for a nice break time thread that I don't have to read back on.

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Evening

>>34048574
hello.

Ohaoo. Im back from work!
Can i get a full definitive rundown on risu development!

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Why did everyone start talking about marriage, incels, and bachelors nora?

>>34051296
it was just an example. please understand.

How tf do some of you write so fast? I am struggling to create a single character!

>>34051954
Literally. «Just Write, Nigger» is the best advice

>>34051954
>just write, nigger.

>>34052001
>>34052006
wtf does this mean, honestly?

>>34052047
To just write! Nigger!

>>34051954
Dark magic, we should burn the witches nanora

>>34052047
The King of Writing Fast, PP just writes. He doesn't make these character sheets to my knowledge. Hard to explain, i guess. He literally just writes and focuses on his chapters i think.

>>34052099
they say the just write nigger king doesn't even need to think before he writes. he just does.

>>34052076
Silence, little pink man.

>>34052047
Jokes aside, experience and getting into the flow are probably more important than planning (of course, it helps to have all of them), so just keep writing what you want or feel like is a good way to improve your writing and get stuff done. At least, that's how I felt.

>>34052073
am I missing something?
>>34052076
It's scary! Freaking 5 chapters that fast! Burn them.
>>34052099
Hmm, he would be the man to consult then...

>>34052099
>>34052128
>>34052168
>>34052182
The best advice as I can give as the writing nigger King is simple. Do it your way. Don't look how I or others do it. Don't look at the time either, because some of us can get into the zone. I am a great example of this with
>3 chapters and 2 lore entries in one day
Getting into the zone is impossible if you don't know what the zone is. So literally, write to your hearts content. Plan plan plan, think think think, and above all else. JUST WRITE NIGGER

>>34052168
Who's you to post Sanner?

>>34052182
Just don't get stuck in the planning stage. If an idea pops up, get it down on paper, even if it's not completely fleshed out yet. Once you break the ice it gets a lot easier.

>>34052320
>Break the ice
This. Getting shit down, even if it is literally chicken scratch, helps a lot. Albeit I am curious of what you are struggling with. Is it the story with Alice, because if it is, just wait on her and plan to your hearts content.

Yes, it is for my end of the story which I am not starting quite yet! I am confused about the Zone however, elaborate!

>>34052320
Just a fellow enjoyer of beauty

>>34052435
The "Zone" is literally just being able to sync your thoughts entirely with whatever is before you. It's an power of autism, or whatever. It's just an ability I have and others have to get something like a 16 page paper for school (as I have done before) done in like 6 hours with 100 citations. Once again, do not attempt to be me or compare your efforts to me.

>>34052526
Ah, so I will never get this zone. No matter! I will work at least faster than Hoomen trying to figure out names. Port Here is the best name they have made yet!

>>34052892
neutotypicals can be in the zone, autists are born in the zone, and they will die in the zone. they can't escape it. when 200% of your focus in on one thing, and that one thing alone, you'll know what it is like.

>>34053025
Although some may also opt for outside help

>>34052455
Nice.

>>34053067
drugs cause autism confirmed? i knew those vaccines weren't any good.

>>34053261
I think the word's "inconclusive", but supposedly it helps you to get in the zone (for normie) and stay there (for autist)

>>34053610
it makes you confident and relaxed, which helps you not worry about irrelevant stuff and just focus on what interests you.

>>34053025
Depends PG, When you throw in something like ADD, you get 500% focus but also have many different interests too and aren't zoned all the time. My zones are intense, but it's harder for me to get into it.

>>34049617
OG is banned rn, gimme him like half a day sweetie.

>>34054153
maybe. severe autists pretty much can't think about anything at all but their special interest, they spend months living and breathing that one thing to the point that they completely disregard anything and everything else. they don't eat, drink, sleep, use the restroom, or respond to anything in the physical world at all. the only thing proving they are still conscious at all is the fact that they are practically always stimming, and they are doing whatever it is they are focused on. idk if anyone, even people with add, could compare to that level of sheer "just write, nigger" energy, but i'm sure they get close sometimes.

>>34049617
Both of them are on vacation. If you want, they are on discord now so you can get it from them, I can fill you in since I helped too./spoiler]

>>34054409
>OG is banned rn
Huh? what did he do??
>>34054681
>both
EVEN WARSUNER?! DAMNIT!
>diksord
eeeehhhh no thanks. (・_・) i dont feel daijoubu there
>I can fill you in
yes please!! ( ˃ᴗ˂ )
gimme a rundown. thorough too. i read the commodus and marquis stories but the new map you showed is intriguing!

>>34055384
War posted risu in /haha/, and OG posted about fuckinh his cousin in nijiEN

I am making a regional map, including /pcg/. As a Paint.net chad and after observing others, I am going to be detailed with it too.

>>34056203
Lookin' good. Just talk to me and we can work it out together no doubt.

>>34056203
>>34056344
As the junior writer for pcg, i want to work on 774 and i have a request. Can i have some high mountains in 774, as it would fit with the canon we have about it being like that as rep and i wrote. I plan on making it like the ERE so (Greek) like both of you and am naming it after Antiocheia, the founding city now lost.

>>34056437
This would have climatic implications on me, but I actually love this idea. You have my full support and am excited to see what happens. Maybe the previous war caused us to lose land to your nation or something that we want back. Fun stories.

>>34056499
>climatic implications
Cli/meat/ anon, you're up.

>>34056437
Can do, just tell me for city names and other special features you may want. Sounds amazing actually.

So who's the superpower of the western continent now? /vsj/, /pcg/ or /774/?

>>34056609
Retro reich or 2434

>>34056526
Reporting.

>>34056744
/774/ will get mountains and possibly raise its climate to subtropical highlands.
What will become of the nearby climate?

>>34055476
We cannot save them from clinical squirrel brain, nanora.

>>34056818
It depends on how widespread the mountains are (since subtropical highlands are mentioned, I'm going to assume they go at least 1.5km above sea level), since that also determines how large the rain shadow will be. The gist is that area "benefitting" from the orthographic lift will receive more rain during summer, meaning that it will likely be pushed into tropical monsoon climate instead of the tropical savanna that currently dominated the southern coast of the continent. It's basically the same process that creates those crazy rainfall pattern maps you might have seen, but in somewhat more manageable manner since the /774/ highland is probably not the Himalayas.
North of the mountains, though, the rainshadow effect will result in the area being drier even during the summer wet season (since all its waters ended up south of the mountains). This is especially problematic for the area between the /774/ mountains and the /voms/-/tsun/ highland (namely the /pcg/-/vst+/ border), since the aforementioned highland also blocks any water it might have received from the north during winter. Depending on the scale of the /774/ mountains, that area might end up becoming tropical wet-and-dry climate, if not hot semi-arid (/774/ is probably not long enough to create a big enough rain shadow to make a full-on desert). Basically, if we assume the entirety of /774/ becomes a highland, the border region will likely become more like a savannah than the rainforest it currently is. Around the area immediately north~northwest of the mountains, you might even get semi-arid scrubland.
As for the climate of the elevated /774/, see picrel for a general breakdown. The line is somewhat blurry, but I would say the following numbers are fairly decent ballpark:
>Tropical lowland to montane forest: starting around 800m. The ground-level will likely be rather foggy, which also facilitates a robest understorey filled with climbing plants, ferns, moss, and other plants that need that high a humidity to survive.
>Montane forest to moorland: also known as the tree line, which should be around 3000~4000m. Trees will become increasingly patchy as altitude rises and temperature drops.
>Moorland to icecap: about 1km above tree line, so 4000~5000m. As the name suggests, here the temperature drops to the point it never rises above freezing, so glaciers will form.
If you want to know more about how the place might look like (assuming it's that tall), Kilimanjaro is a good place to start.

>>34056344
>>34056437
How does it look?

>>34057623
>>34057745
Well, idk what happens with this.

>>34057779
not him, but this would basically make deserts in PCG and vsj

>>34057745
How about reducing the elevation on the /774/ mountains?
Just capping at mid orange instead of full ice cap?

>>34057745
Can you remove the eastern mountains so I am not a desert kek.

>>34058040
>>34058054
Will do. Was going for the alps, so how would that work?

what about now?

I tried my own proposal
How about something like this?

>>34058202
i need them in the east for lore.
>>34058177
looks nice

>>34057745
Probably something like picrel. It doesn't actually change NE /pcg/'s situation much in >>34058177 and >>34058202, although you might see the savannah climate being wider, which makes the land somewhat more habitable. I would say basically everything above 1km will be casting a significant enough rainshadow to at least give half a year of dry season northwest of the highland.

>>34058273
>>34058202
west I mean

>>34058285
Ok, actually sort of like this.

>>34058285
So it wasn't as bad as I thought... crap since I changed it.

>>34058402
That's OK, let's roll with it.

>>34058285
Any suggestion to have a mountain range and not have a large rain shadow?
How about a valley in between the range to allow rain?

>>34058402
Well, tropical savannah (which in terms of biome will occupy ~half of tropical savannah climate and ~half of hot semi-arid) is pretty decent if you like safari and doesn't mind eating millet and cassava, and the large river there should still be able to support irrigation along the riverbank, kind of like a discount Nile. Scrubland (which will occupy the remaining half of hot semi-arid) also has some unusual plants that might be of economic value.

>>34058455
A valley in between will allow some degree of moisture to pass through, although I don't know if that kind of terrain is plausible with natural processes. If the pass still has a decent elevation above the other end, you might ned up getting some pretty significant Foehn wind, which is fun to learn, but very much not fun to live in.

Are these natural rivers?

>>34058621
Somewhat. I would say that there are likely multiple rivers feeding into the /774/ lake, and the lake will have to have a major outflow due to all the water raining down in that general area (probably joining the /vsj+/ river somewhere).

Dumbass idea
/774/ built a wall and forts sround the mountain valley after the invasion of EN
they are like Paradise from Shingeki no Kyojin, believed the world has fallen to barbarians
They are so isolated they still use /jp/ maps and have /jp/ knowledge.

>>34059206
Between the /jp/ focus, mountaineous terrain, and the likely heavy rainfall and cloud forest, it sounds kind of like something like picrel, which is pretty cool.

>>34031297
https://rentry.org/774-Intro
774 lore!

>>34059868
I love this so much!
May the flames of the pre-HoloEN era vtubers keep burning!
Ave Animare! Ave Honeystrap!

I missed the deadline for finishing Lazulight crops. I think I'm going to have to stop. Too much nonsense offline is keeping me from sitting down and writing. I'll have to quit the project until shit's sorted out here.

>>34059868
I guess since the thread is mostly an image dump and link post thread nowadays being isoalted in the mountains makes quite some sense

>>34060683
What deadline? I never set one.

>>34060683
Sanarep... there there

>>34060683
Good luck and please take care of yourself

>>34060807
I set one for myself. Because if I don't then I'll lose focus and never get anything done. I pushed the deadline back because of fall cleaning or lose internet. Circumstances at home are beyond my control at the moment.

>>34060836
If I didn't find an oshi then I'd quit the project eventually. Now would be the perfect time.

>>34060932
Don't know when I'll come back or if I'll come back. Anyway you can make a new rentry for crops if you do it yourself. I'm not going to sniff dirty socks about personal details here.

Sanarep. Don't hurt yourself please.

>>34061610
Too late. I twisted my knee today. I can still walk but I'm using ice and pain killers. Anyway have fun.

>>34061958
If you ever want to talk about something, you're still welcomed. we dont shun away people without an oshi as long as they have ideas to share. come back when youre no longer feeling burnt out.

>>34062135
There's a difference between being burnt out and being overwhelmed by duties. If you have to know: My arthritis crippled mom is not taking care of herself again. My faggot brother's partner is not cleaning up after himself. Only clean room in the house is my bedroom and the lobby bathroom. Kitchen always gets filled with Amazon package trash. And the stove is covered in bacon grease when I get to it. So I have to at least get kitchen, den, and lobby in order. Not to mention partner doesn't vacuum the floors everyday like he's suppose to.

So even though I'm unemployed on NEETbux (which I only get $100 to myself, rest is bills and groceries) I have chores. Not to mention the yard work for two houses I'm suppose to do before weeds dry. I'm saying this now so you know my schedule. Apologies Panon. I tried to make the schedule work for your crops. I'll share notes if you have any questions.

bump

RIP to OG, hopefully, I don't miss his return despite the hurricane.

>>34059206
Hello there fellow nanashi.
Anyways, very greek, which fits the overall continent's cultural aesthetic, I assume it is intentional.
Not much to say about it, since it mainly talks about the outside of /774/, dunno if placing them as a waiting power will work out.
Do remember that anything you write for /774/ may or may not be scrapped if we do recieve an eventual /774/ lore writer, so I'd be more careful in how you want to integrate them into the overall geopolitics of the area, don't just shove them in as a player.
I do like the spread of cultural influence, I think it's neat.

>>34062701
Naaa, you've already given me pretty good advice on what to do when you've got alot on your plate nanora so there's no use in me parroting it back, nanora, keep positive though since positive mentalities are rewarded with positive coincidence.

>>34064591
Oh you're getting hit by Hurricane Ian too sap bro?

>>34065101
Rosebud too, bless 'em...

>>34065125
I'll be at a DnD game by the time it hits but I should be fine nanora, Hurricane Smuriccane I say! Just rember to make sure you've got a generator and some candles, also a good number of books.

>>34064591
Rosebud is also getting hit too.

>>34031297
https://rentry.org/Lucrezia-della-Ceresara
She is incomplete but I think she will be an interesting person to insert into the stories planned.

>>34064771
Just a legend, I wouldn't think too much. I have been watching 774 for years now and the thread is basically like 2434, an image dump thread.

>>34065700
Nice!!!!!! Interesting, just through this and especially notes wise, can see some more aspects of your nation.

>>34065700
>Known Languages: Hooman (fluent)
nice

>>34065880
Well, that is the purpose. Beyond the character should be revealed the nation.
>>34065897
All upper class Hoshiyomis would be fluent. Most of them also hate Kronies.

>>34066368
Why does she hate Deadbeats and Risuners?????

>>34066423
Risuners, she simply heard about their degeneracy and hates them for it. Besides they are tribals. Deadbeats, likely from her father and is a sediment many admirals hold because of the deadbeat desire to be everywhere in the world in their eyes.

>>34066470
The admirals hold sediments? What are they, geologists?

>>34066509
More than you think.

>>34066470
So why would they agree to be friendly with the Black Fleet?

>>34066587
OOC, I did that to get the damn squirrels out of my hair for now and I need to see what they have operating in the area. The Battleship will not be appreciated to say the least by us when we figure out. Out of Character, I don't have an answer yet.

Think deadbro has map about their operating area. Albeit I do have an actual question of how they even have a naval base in Luna considering that whole sea would be frozen most of the year and is sort of like northern Canada.

>>34066738
This elaborates on the matter a bit:
https://rentry.org/euse7
https://rentry.org/85ybo
https://rentry.org/zwdii

>>34066799
So you didn't actually get there by ship, that makes sense then.

>>34066897
Don't see why that is a problem if they did in a magical world

>>34066897
Yep, walking there was a bit easier, naval polar exploration ain't no joke.

>>34066970
I am sure you know given you likely know the Franklin Expedition.

>>34066970
Do you have the map of the Black Fleet deployment Mepper was talking about?

>>34066970
In this world it's riskier when jannies are using the arctic as schizo alcatraz guantanamo gulag

>>34066959
Because as a sailor myself, and given this period, it's suicidal to do it.
>>34067171
As if it could get worse, mind you this too.

What are the limitations of glyphs? How complex can a glyph reasonably be, essentially I want to know if I could use glyphs to rework the human body of a /meat/ catalognaut for that one cruelty squad idea.

>>34067000
>Franklin Expedition
Kek, that is the direct inspiration for Dr. Niwa's forsaken voyage, actually. Great primary sources on it.
>>34067042
I didn't archive it, because it's incomplete, the region breakdown is messy, and I used some islands as nodes for the region network when islands should logically be fully encompassed within a single region. I want to re-work it at some point. Here it is, if you just want to see it, but I don't consider it canon.
One day I'll finish and polish all those maps...
>>34067171
Indeed.

you think arctic explorers would go for a schizo safari?

>>34067284
Thanks, I was sort of wanting to make one of these myself. Part of why I wanted to see it.

>>34067284
I assume that XLII or a detachment of it. would have been sent to Kronistadt for the mission right?

>>34067284
so the black fleet is pulling the equivalent of a eurasia wide Monroe doctrine? is that even feasible with sail ships?

>>34067398
The US can barely do anything like this today, but I don't think this is the policy as much as these are zones.

>>34065700
>155 centimeters tall, 48 kilograms
You all know what to do

>>34067437

>>34067398
We don't question this because it makes little sense kek. Sort of like them having a ship of the line in this Risu expedition.

>>34067349
No prob, I'd love to see more maps!
>>34067393
Indeed, probably in collaboration with XLI as they're the Sashidatum with the closest relation to the Risuner. They would already be at Infinitum though, as the BF has a base there.
>>34067398
Nah, this map doesn't really say anything about foreign policy, just how the BF subdivides the oceans for organizational purposes. If the BF is attempting something like the Monroe doctrine, it would be limited to the Ailivian Ocean at best.

>>34065700
>>34067437
>vain
>maiden
>ojousama
>hates risuners
grrrr bratty aristocrat!! needs rape correction!!

>>34067591
Funny, I had them stopping at your base in the first place until I was told Kronistadt was on the East Coast.

Im kinda regretting making Lucy petite now

>>34067713
Not me, btw.

Ri2ner...

>>34056203
>>34056344
>>34056437
Btw, i would like to propose a shared language for our continent and wanted to ask you what you think about it?

i think Cistisch (name pending) would be language of our continent with 2 major dialects, the more EN/nothern parts of it probably would share a dialect while the JP/southern parts probably share one based on the remnants of the /774/ language that used to be more widespread.

what do you think about this?

>>34069572
Umm, sure. Likely called after our nation and greek in nature. If nothing else, it would be like the learning language

>>34069572
Probably more than that. Likely a language group

>>34069993
>>34070279
this is not to replace the national languages, more something like the holo-dhennet of the holo continent.

>>34070452
Oh ok, so sort of like a lingua franca.

>>34070746 (me)
Githantheioi would be the name of the language.

>>34070746
Yes, that would be it.
>>34070831
would that not be the /774/ language? i actually would think that /774/ probably would not like this lingua franca at all since it would be partly a bastardization of their language around their area since i woudl assume the influence of /774/ would clearly impact the lingua franca dialect around there

>>34071026
It would be, I was thinking of it like Latin, unless we are totally thinking differently here. We can call it something else. (I don't even know if that is the name I want.)

774 can be called the Empire of Anonymous because Nanashi = Anonymous in Greek. I am not doing this!

Tempted for Uraniagia, Ouranion, Theion, Asemos as names for 774. I am also leaning towards including worship of the heavenly kings.

>>34071547
Try Epta

>>34071671
?

>>34071112
uhm ok, i am not sure how to properly convey what i am thinking of.

let me try it from a different angle.

think of it like english, except there is no origin nation for it in the form of englan (or maybe there is, would depend on a future /wvt/ rep), whose purpose is to help communicate across the continent between nations.

on the southern half however that language probably got influenced a lot by "Githantheioi" since the /774/ empire is the root for a lot there even today.

so it would be a bit like US-English VS AUS-English etc. still one language that people can understand between each other but also heavily influenced by the core of its 2 regions. that beign the more EN focused north and JP focused south.

>>34071732
Is the south actually JP focused? Phase has like 3 (4 if tenma is counted), vshojo just got 2, and then there is 774 and voms. So you are talking about dialects of the same language unless I am mistaken?

>>34071828
from what i understand in the history of our world the south would have been part of a greater /774/ empire in the past while the north would have been part of a greater /wvt/ of the past.

>>34071995
That could make sense, that the invaders came from the north... I see what you mean now. We probably considered the North to be a bunch of barbarians in the past so feel free to interpret that as you wish, since 774 to me represents more than 774 in this sense.

>>34071995 (me)
that is not to say that this means both halves were completly part of these empires and those only existed but i would assume that for this lingua franca that these 2 empires and their language would have influenced some form of dialects for it.

Tsunderiabros, when you mention /2434/ as the nation which broke you up, what do you mean? Nijisanji has been around much longer than your company unless you are talking about NijiEN?

>>34072097
>Before the expansion of the /2434/ empire, there was once a nation who ruled uncontested everywhere but in the lands of Hololive.
I will presume this is what you mean, right?

>>34072697
Yeah... this is confusing me because Nijisanji is not only an older company from JP days but it would contradict lore on their own continent.

>>34072697
Well, technically if we go this far back Vitubia would have been shared with /jp/, and who knows what that looked like.

>>34072766
That's not how I am doing my lore though because it just adds confusion where there should be.

>>34072825
Too bad you are one person and that we as a whole have agreed.

>>34072825
Well... The pre-/vt/ era being in /jp/ is pretty well established.

>>34072697
i personally presumed this to be more of proganda fluff for flavour than set in stone history since it would not work like that for a multitude of reasons.

>>34072867
nta but no we didn't
>>34072874
furthermore, that's up for the reps to decide.

>>34072931
Anon, the time before 0 VTE being set in the /jp/ dimension is something that was voted on.

>>34031391
FFS, why is the Pyon bylaw that was repealed still up?

>>34072967
So when you have nations write about BVTE, that's bullshit then?

>>34073052
Not really, it just needs to account for those different circumstances.

>>34073052
BVTE is essentially for the really old empires, for everyone else VTE is the history for our world and where msot of us origin from

>>34073098
There is a reason why I do not want to mess with my nations history with the jp split because not only does a nijisanji thread exist in JP but my history would date way far into this.

>>34073129
So you want a portal or something?

>>34073174
no...

>>34073129
yeah it is a weird kidn of thing that can be a headache, tho for someone actually willing to mess with it the right way i can see some kino lore in regards to that. luckily my thread did nto exist back then so nothing i have to think about^^

but i also think for the most of it, it is better to handle the BVTE era as knowledge lsot to time and space.

that beign said, /774/ still retainign soem of that knowledge and trying hard to preserve it does sound kino to me

>>34073314
Meatbro told me that we likely have advanced tech, but I don't want to start a timeloop with it and honestly, siding with alice here because this crap is confusing overall.

>>34073314
Having ancient empires is one thing, but having high tech ancient empires is sure to get really hard to control and write around, mostly due to the way knowledge spreads.

>>34073458
*COUGH* infinity *COUGH* aren't even ancient.

>>34073403
it depends on what you want to have your "advanced tech" to look like, we did establish soem things like automation, mass production, planes and trains to be off limits for now.

i also personally would not try to push it too hard in a military directions since that one usually tends to go into timeloops since it will feel like powergaming depending on how it is done. even more so if that is one of the first things you try to set up for the nation.

there are however enough ways to have advanced tech that can enrich your nations lore and feel without any trouble. your nations seems to be on the more knowledgable side so maybe some things that aid in education?

>>34073550
I don't care about miltech. More interested in flavor like modern plumbing.

>>34073570
i see no issue with something like that. these kidn of things are not something i think anyone would look at as powergaming and actualyl enhance a nation in a more unique and flavourful way.

>>34073621
Good, could care less about "powergaming". Maybe we have nice guns to keep people out but we are isolationist that only like two or three nations on earth realistically.

>>34073671
Who would be these nations?

>>34073804
Voms, 2434/NijiJP, and /stars/. All but the Phase JP worshippers, and Voms are seen as good on our own continent.

>>34073853
>2434
fuck you.

>>34073671
please don't feel too scared about timeloops.

the main issue was 2 isntances, one being /inf/ that wanted all kinds of stuff, while proclaiming it fine because they are isolationist only to end that the moment they got msot of the stuff they wanted and basicly did heavy powergaming and the other was alice that wanted advanced navy stuff to compete with that basicly to make her natiosn stronger back when he had a lot of misunderstandings about things that also where misunderstood by the thread.

lots of nations have advanced tech:
the retro reich got onobots
/nenmens/ got cybernetic body parts with their comfydants
/who/ got advanced communications i beleive? (not sure about that one)
/nasa/ used to have a whole spaceship with advanced tools like chainsaws.

heck, Panon and I even mananged to get a dreaded canal to work if i may say so proudly

it really comes down to what your goal and vision is. if you truly want things that are there to enrich and enhance the feel of your nation than i am sure the thread as a whole also learned and advanced and is able to come up with ways to make it a reality.

>>34074014
We're just slightly ahead of the curve industrially and scientifically, not too much thought. 's all

>>34074014
Good, both of you (PP as well) said you would back me up. Considering you sort of see my foreign policy, I think you can see how I am not powergaming if PP decides to equip us with something idk, he said he would figure it out. I am more interested in architecture and common living things honestly. We would be highly protective of this too.

>>34074084
Main reason you guys get away with it is because of /inf/ timeloops, but nevermind that.

>>34074106
I don't think any advanced mobile military equipment could plausibly remain localized to the country for 1000 years. Maybe fortifications?

>>34073853
ohh right, you are writing for /774/ now, can i take that as a change for alice and me in regards to our trade agreement of the nation involved from what we initially discussed when i was still in the dis?

>>34074192
Let's just wait a little bit on that to see what's cooking first.

>>34074163
Bro, PP said he would handle it. I have no idea how miltary equipment works.
>>34074192
I have no idea if we would even trade anything. We are surrounded by nations we hate.

>>34074283
Bro... Okay?

>>34074241
>>34074283
ok, just wanted to make ask to make sure since my alst stand that i knew of was something completly different.
i guess since none of that is gonna come to fruition now that i will simply consider all that was talked about back then as void and things still are as last officially agreed upon

>>34074318
? I am just being honest.

>>34074163
i think fortifications would be very plausable and would also explain why the weakened empire managed to hold where they are agaisnt all their enemies sourrundign them but i think others got a better head for military stuff so i do not want to infringe too much on the lore of a different nation

>>34074485
I have my own ideas, mountains explain a lot and no, there will be no advanced miltech like Inf for most of this time since I am not a fan of tech stagnation would wide. Fortifications will definately be a part of this as well as later, artilllery (It's me, so of course.) I want to avoid a Megas timeloop so I need to think.

Does Infinity have Breechloaders (if so, why would you say ok.)

>>34074597
Worldwide*

>>34074318
from an in universe perspective
not actual author opinion
/774/ was a jp era superpower now in decline and surrounded by EN vtuber barbarians like vshojo
774 is ancient greece
vshojo is modern day macedonia

>>34074780
Good comparison btw.

>>34074780
I hope vsj enforces talent freedom on their asses unironically.

I like to think 774, which is the remnants of the other JP corpos and OGs never controlled the north island. I think the EN livers invaded from there, though Voms existed as part of this empire and Tsunderia likely as well.

>>34075459
You are ruining the rest of the continents lore.

>>34075459
EN chuubas did have soem origin on /jp/ albeit little so i think this is a fair assumption to make for the ancient history of our continent as a whole but i would like to have more reps of it give some input on this before creating more indepth history for our continent as a whole

(/lig/german, where are thou, i miss you!!)

>>34075800
Yeah, i like the idea over all because I feel like it allows some interesting dynamics with how things work. (You are right aboyt en on jp)

My plans for an epic fantasy focusing on a small lunaito battalion with a young sanalito has been usurped by a lunaito harem of buff men surrounding a new sanalaito in their small gingerbread town...

>>34077468
H-hot.

>>34077468
go on...

>>34078425
I mean I'm not sure where to go on nanora, it has already spread beyond my grasp. Each suitor is a metaphysical representation of an aspect of luknights and Luna herself with the intent of answering the question of what makes a luknight a luknight while also being a stereotypical bara romance harem, nanora.

>>34031297
as it turns out, forcing yourself to write with only dialogue spoken in your conlang makes you quickly realize what a terrible thing you've created. i can now call holodhennet field-tested, and have a small update to reflect it
https://files.catbox.moe/fgv1n0.pdf

>>34082699
Make an updare log too.

>>34083161
>updare
update*

>>34083161
people actually want to read that part? if so i can expand it to better reflect the actual changes

>>34083666
Well, otherwise it's hard to know what changed

>>34082699
conlang anon, do you have some good basis the corpo-liberal continent could base a lingua franca on with 2 dialects?

>>34082699
I kracu hir Chuubas?

>>34083849
not him but what about concepts similar to indo-euro and sino-tibet
like how english and hindi are supposed to be distant relatives, while both sound so different

>>34083849
i've been watching that interaction and understand how that might happen, but if you want them to be the same language family and maybe mutually intelligible, i would need to know how long ago one language influenced the other for linguistic drift reasons, if that happened at all and wasn't just humans naturally meandering around like what >>34085089 said
>>34083862
use pricu, and modifiers (adjective and adverbs) go after. kracu is a sort of confusion exclamation, so it probably sounds like a doujin title when you say that

>>34067276
you can have glyphs in glyphs, and artificial glyphs if you have the resources, technical capabilities, and the knowledge of how to do it. /meat/ chuubanite in particular is very capable of the thing you said you wanted, but technology limits us a bit at the moment.

>>34067276
In terms of glyphs on human, such as the chuubanite tattoo of /meat/,
>What are the limitations of glyphs?
In this case, the main limitations would be:
1) It runs on chuubanite power, so how much effect it can be done is limited by how much chuubanite can be utilised; and,
2) It's attached to human body, so it is probably limited by how much the body can take. /meat/ is very experienced in testing the human limit, so it's safe to say that this is somewhat less an issue.
>How complex can a glyph reasonably be
I would say it's limited by the glyph's resolution, so the limiting factor will likely be how good the glyph drawer/tattoo artist is (after a certain point, the body's natural function and growth will limit the resolution of glyph tattoo, but you'll probably need machine precision for that to matter). I suppose poor diet can also interfere with that due to the body getting out of shape.

>>34086456
>>34087660
Glyph usage on catalognauts interest me in particular since they'd act as a rechargeable battery for their own glyph effects, I think the specifics of certain ideas I had wouldn't quite work (using a layer of ligaments underneath the skin to act as a lightweight defense ala Shadowrun Trolls) but I'm curious as to whether certain other bodily modifications could be done like giving someone a second heart or increasing the amount of adrenaline that gets released through the brain during stressful situations.

>>34088635
I think getting a layer of ligament underneath the skin might be easier than getting a second heart (unless you mean transplanting a second heart and then using glyph effects to make it work). Since there are already existing connective tissues in different layers of the skin, using glyph effects to modify specific physiological processes to convert the layers into something more durable should not be too unfeasible. It might even have the unintended side effect of improving your skin condition depending on the process!

>>34088635
/meat can do prosthetics, and can make chimeras since we can theoretically use our chuubanite to control evolution through artificially speeding natural selection and mutation, while also creating artificial selection processes for selective breeding to advantage certain kinds of results. why you would want two hearts is a bit of a mystery to be. as for the adrenaline, you can already heal the neural pathways, and encourage the production of neurotransmitters just from /meat/ regeneration effects alone. making them stronger and more sensitive would also be possible, because /meat/ regeneration works through the life cycle. you would have to decrease the equilibrium point of the neurons to help them achieve their action potentials with less resources to avoid the diminishing returns caused by desensitization, but /meat/ chuubanite would help in that process.

>>34090015
idk why all the typos, and i think i messed up a few words, prosthetics vs transplants (though they are kind of the same if you think about it), but whatever. needless to say, you can also just look at how certain sensitizing drugs work for inspiration. by sensitizing i mean drugs that increase the effect of certain things. it has more in common with how someone who never had coffee or alcohol before can feel the effects of it far stronger than if they use it regularly. also, the increased metastasizing caused by intermittent fasting can cause your body to have stronger effects from eating when you start eating again.

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>>34088635
What the hell is that sesame street character?

https://twitter.com/mischiefanimals/status/1558814660232708096
Rare footage of an Ayunda worshipper

Lioranon... Lofiora are both playing Gundam... It's so fucking cute. Will /vnug/ develop Mobile Suits early?

>>34093944
They’re precious together! even when they’re getting demolished
Liora’s a pretty big Gundam (and gunpla) otaku but I don’t think bringing them into this setting will work well. The Sami people are known for their craftsmanship (duodji) though so maybe that could play a role?

>>34094693
Liora said Lofi was "cracked" at FPS...
Kek, yeah the tech level is a few centuries off. A low-tech equivalent might be something like an armored battering ram maybe, though the Gundams are used more like shock cavalry, strategically. Maybe the reindeers could have some boiled leather armor. Installing metal spikes on their antlers? That could boost the DPS of a charge...

>>34095076
It’s her 3rd match so she’s probably still getting used to it. I think she’s better in more familiar games like Overwatch
I don’t know if /vnug/ would have a lot of siege equipment since I don’t know if they have things to siege down (and it’s established that their main pre-Mujigae enemies are the local fauna). That said Liora did have a fascination with unicorn in multiple ways. Do you think it makes sense to put reinforced Narwhal skulls on reindeer? I read that Inuits tip Narwhal “horn” with iron as spears

>>34095662
Yeah, yall are not really the sieging type. But you could definitely slap some narwhal skulls on reindeers, that sounds badass as all hell.
Shit, if you want to hit the unicorn theme from multiple angles, there's no reason there couldn't also be something even closer to unicorns hanging out in the tundras (woolly rhinoceroses). I think the most recent specimens might have lived just a couple dozen thousand years ago IRL, so it's plausible for them to exist in Vitubia.

>>34093944
>>34094693
welcome,
someone actually set up some lore for /vnug/ before tho that does not mean that you cannot work with your fellow /vnug/ together and expand together on it, we got many natiosn with severla writers and cooepration in creation is a big fun part of the project: https://rentry.org/vtwbg-vnuglore

>>34093251
waranon...

>>34096449
Anon, I think you're replying to the one who wrote that lore. The other anon me is not a vnugger, I just love Liora and Lofi. Thanks for the reminder to look at that rentry again though, Lioranon got a lot of nice pictures in there...

>>34096212
Pleistocene megafauna’s pretty cool! (hehe)
I was planning on working out what kind of wildlife /vnug/ had, so either woolly rhino or a monster version of it would be a nice addition! I guess their fur would probably be very warm too

>>34096449
Hello! Yeah, me

>>34096777
>vnugger
still sounds like a slur

>>34096870
The alternative proposed when we were still our own thread was vnugget

>>34096854
>Pleistocene megafauna’s pretty cool!
Man they really are, the iconic ones are like, all our modern mammals, but turned to 11 on the metal scale. Did you know there used to be an American cheetah? Crazy shit.
>>34096870
>>34097101
What's wrong with nuggers... vnuggets does sound way cuter.

>>34096777
its 7am and it just seemed like 2 new people joined that were very enthuastic to me...

>>34097555
Sleepy retroanon... Cute...

>>34097628
Retroanon just needs his dose of ass

>>34097628
>>34097708
so this is how it feels like to be a dragoon...

>>34097361
Yeah I plan to steal some of them for /vnug/ since they’re probably the closest there is to real life monhun monsters
you can call us vnuggets if you want, I like how it sounds too

>>34097555
Your oshi’s nice too! she also made me realize I might have a thing for white-haired vtubers since 5 is too unlikely to be a coincidence

>>34097708
Liorump…

>>34097872
thanks, tho i guess there really is a trend if you are up to 5 already.

also sorry for not recognizing you as the /vnug/anon, i don't think we actually ever interacted before so i was not aware of your typing style or similar stuff, know that i feel deeply embarassed atm.

>>34098084
It’s fine! I have the personality of wet cardboard paper anyway. Also, nice to meet you!

>>34097872
Liorump... criminal lack of Liora fanart out there.

>>34098349
Thanks! Cuddles you!

>>34098528
When official art looks like this…

>>34098349
i don't actually know what that means...

to me you seem like a friendly, fun and enthuastic fellow.

>>34098349
Not true! A writer's personality transpires through their writings, and your works are chock-full of personality and soul.
>>34098697
hng...

>>34098671
>>34098751
>>34098790
Thanks!
People told me I’m a pretty boring person in real life but I guess I’m better at expressing myself online

whats with all the gooey mushy emotions? is this real dork hours?

>>34098790
also take this for calling me cute when i am already embarassed as hell

>>34098941
I think that's common in these circles. We have vivid inner universes while there might seem to be less happening outwards, I'm the same I think.
>>34099177
Want some affection too, PG? Love you as well.
>>34099439
You can't stop me, I'm gonna reach that Jukebox and put on Huge W.

>>34100004
that wasn't me. i enjoy cute things!

>>34099439
>>34100004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QHdi1w-G4U&t=2292s
Words to live by Unrelated but did Calli ever try the Snoop Dogg wine?

>>34100209
PG's gap moe!
>>34100238
Oh no... I have to pull out this piece of perfect albeit cursed fanart.
Not on stream kek, but it's cheap enough for her to have bought it just to try it at some point. Maybe I can supa her about it.

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Napped. What are you guys talking about?

>>34107978
Something about a vnigger, but I dont know what that is nanora

>>34107978
5 reply bump train combo-breaker. guess we weren't talking about much.

Are there any particular rules or guidelines when it comes to writing about a nation's wildlife and ecology? More specifically, how far from reality and into total pseudo-scientific babble is too far?

>>34108638
see the chuubanite rentry. we have a magic system that is fairly adaptable, so if you can find a way for it to work with that magic system it is fine.

I've been doing my /lig/ reps and I've realized that there's a cavegirl chuuba named Meat with a fanbase named Meatheads and she's anti-cannibal.

>>34109307
it's ironic. cavepeople should be generally more cannibalistic. which one came first?

grr bratty ojousama needs correction

>>34108079
vshojo fan jk

Where is OGsuner's latest uuu expedition lore?

>>34108691
can we have magic nukes?

>>34110222
hypothetically speaking, weapons of mass destruction are possible but between the fact that the world has yet to reach that stage of technological progress yet, and the fact that the thread will push you out for trying, you aren't really supposed to have them yet, if at all.

Update to regional map.

>>34110569
its more of a joke than anything else. Wouldn't biological weapons count as such weapons of mass destruction, i have seen them talked about here.

>>34110621
talked about, yes, but they aren't supposed to actually be able to make them. certainly, they shouldn't use them.

>>34110684
What should be said limits be, in your eyes? do shells filled with gas count as such?

>>34110725
do shells filled with gas count as wmds? if they are used to influence the weather, they could be wmds. otherwise not really.

>>34110621
>>34110569
>>34110993
/meat/ is harvesting ego death psychedelics which can be WMDs if used extensively

>>34110993
interesting, i was more refering to if you put a biological fungal agent in the shells or some kind of gas (not literally chlorine)

>>34110222
Nobody wants to say it but the Candy Kingdom is only about a decade away from World War 1 weaponry with candy flavoring nanora.

>>34111123
>Indeed, we have been sponsoring this programme for years. I see a future with the Candy Kingdom, nay, Candy Empire fulfilling their manifest destiny, from shore to shore; and we controlling all of Indeia.

>>34111205
Nobody expected the Monarchy Ending, but it is inevitable nanora.
HAIL GREAT ROYAL RENAISSANCE

>>34111254
Awww, you're adorable!

>>34111254
>Royal Renaissance indeed.

>>34108691
I see, thanks.
I guess it's time to get silly. Very silly.

>>34112228
NIPPLES

>>34111106
knives can be wmd if used extensively enough to cause mass destruction. what people mean by wmds is weapons that cause mass destruction inherently. biological weapons spread, nukes spread radiation and explode a massive region, weather-based weapons effect the whole world's climate. the psychedelics just have a scary effect.
>>34111112
depends on the biological weapon. if it can spread uncontrollably to a large area, then probably. with that said, the common cold isn't a wmd, even if it kills more than covid. the biological weapon shells you describe are a delivery mechanism for something that might be a wmd, but it isn't a wmd itself.

>>34110188
I just got unbanned. Lesson learned. No more hornyposting in ANY general (not just with saplings). Sad day that people dont like to hornypost anymore outside of shitty bait threads.

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>>34113990
what even is this animal?

>>34114030
Tapir, most likely

>>34114030
The flaccid beast

>>34113604
There's a difference between hornyposting about a chuuba and horny posting about your unrelated incest, it's also a roundabout form of namefagging outside of normal parameters nanora!
Too much coom, not enough brain. Be ashamed, nora!

>>34114308
but they asked for story time.....i guess i see the point. And I will never be ashamed of the fact that I have sex nora!

update to map

new bread doko?

>>34115975
baking

>>34116129
ty

>>34116578
New bread, now with 20% more pink slime