/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>33895998
Im so happy for her

>>33895998
Unironically the only time she sounds a little bit interested in what's going on. It's a shame the past year of streams are kinda pointless now, but put some cock in front of certain types of girls and they change.

>>33895998
hope you choose a good game with your steam giftcard

>>33895998
Probably because she wishes she was one.

>>33895998
This but unironically

>>33895998
I am unironically getting depressed over this, I think I need a break from vtubers

>>33896373
Pick a better oshi and if you need a deeper voiced girl just wait for EN3. I'm almost certain it'll have Kronii (Minus) Cuckery

>>33896490
>EN
>minus cuckery

>>33895998
She's always sure to take her "depression meds" before male collab streams
https://files.catbox.moe/d6tjz6.png

I will not watch male collabs

hololive EN has to get rid of this whore before the whole EN community gets brainwashed into accepting cuckery
remember how fast rushia was dealt with?
the fact that this bitch insulted her fanbase and still hasn't been dealt with is quite surprising, some of the higher ups must be fond of that banged out pussy

she is a virgin please understand her

>>33896373
Should've listened to the JPbros who saw this coming. There's still time to do your reps and enjoy vtubing as it should be.

https://youtu.be/drNENggOpKc?t=2403

>>33896373
Wouldn't be a bad idea anon

>>33896594
that's not how anti-depressants work
and we don't even know if kronii is on them

>>33896490
Picking a new oshi isn't something easy. I'm in pretty deep...

>>33896833
I think that was sarcasm anon.

>>33896490
We're now on a 2 out of 2 "deep voiced HoloENs being hot trash" streak, not a good track record and I've no hope for them anymore.

>>33896874
If your oshi cucks you have to withdraw any financial support and move on. You will experience less pain you will play a part in incentivizing better behavior.

>>33896874
Better to do it now than later when the on stream flirting begins.....take the JP pill anon. Do it

>>33896301
ok... but really, whether I've been giftcard or not, Kronii does sound happier in these male collabs. You've been living a very sad life if you do not know the sound of a very happy woman.

>>33897056
All women are soulless harpies, women that can't even pretend to be cute are bound to be ultra shit

>>33897135
she sounds bored as shit in this one desu

>>33896833
Mag's 7 inch anti-depressant is pretty fast-acting

>>33897128
Wise words

>>33897269
cope

>>33897269
oh, how sad of you

>>33896722
It's been confirmed that most of EN mnagement are alphabet faggots, EN is lost, they already prevented Gura from playing rust at all, now Ame is the one getting all the Jp interactions to groom her senpais into male collabbing.

Her laughs sounds more like her menhera breaking loose than her having fun.

>>33897269
She sounds a lot more comfortable around them is all

>>33897433
Use your ears lmao she sounds like she chugged a full bottle of nyquil before the stream started.

>>33895998
Forsen collab when

>>33897269
Its ok anon.. itll be alright...

>>33897269
oh and she has never scream that hard too

>>33897691
ESLchama... your gift card...

>>33897269
YEAH... THATS A SCREAM OF A VERY SATISFIED WOMAN

>>33897727
me getting paid and seeing you seethe is very satisfying

oh no no clockbro

She's so happy and I'm still depressed. Kronii left me behind.

>>33897935
don't worry, we all do

>>33898054
Your response makes no sense ESL

She sounds a lot more comfortable around guys. I do get her though since I too feel a lot more comfortable around girls.

>>33898152
What? I'm just saying we're all depressed here...

>>33897339
>taiwanese
>7inch
Kek, dare to dream anon

>>33895998
It's an absolute shame

>>33898152
i maybe an ESL but your comprehension dude seems lacking.

why is she so happy clockbros? she has never been like this with any of the girls

>>33898296
He thought you were implying you'd all leave as well

>>33898238
Do you happen to be more comfortable wearing a skirt, by any chance?
>>33898481
Sirs, do the needful sirs.

>>33895998
Fuck off you goddamn cocksucker

>>33895998
Fuck this Nijislut whore

>>33898610
yeah sometimes "non-ESLs" don't get it

>>33898238
Post yourself in thigh-highs

>>33898561
Kronii is clearly the ‘one of the guys’ type of girl. More comfortable around guys, enjoys being the center of their attention, hooks up with one and then another and then another. Lives for their approval. Thinks she’s doing something awesome by pulling off the incredible feat of being the one girl in a male friend group, but in reality she’s there because they all want to fuck her.

>>33899249
a pick me girl

Her heart will get broken when she finds out they all have girlfriends.

>>33899326
No that's a tradcon, they're the ones associated with pick me's because they're going against feminism in hopes it gets them laid. Kronii is closer to just a tomboy.

>>33899249
>Thinks she’s doing something awesome by pulling off the incredible feat of being the one girl in a male friend group, but in reality she’s there because they all want to fuck her.
I always wonder if women are simply oblivious of this. As a man is there any reason NOT to want to fuck a woman you get along really well with? Assuming of course they're not morbidly obese or missing teeth

>>33899354
That won't stop her from getting what she wants

>>33895998
You homobeggars are a fucking disgrace to VTube. Fuck you and fuck your faggots and whores

>>33896722
Rushia was dealt with because she danced around management's advise to lay low with her platinum-grade retarded idea of "damage control" that was closer to company sabotage.

>>33899556
No, I don't want to believe that Kronii is a homewrecker. Surely she's not that kind of girl...

>>33899326
No, a slut. Pick me's are failed women, "bro" women are recruiting for the monthly train they have run on them

>>33896313

>>33895998
i have no problem with male collabs but its wierd that she laughs loud at every tempus joke

>>33895998
Men are unironically more funny than women.

>>33899901
Duh, everyone knows this. Women never had to evolve to be funny to attract mates. Truth be told I think women can be very funny in scripted sketch comedy, but I dont think I've ever laughed at a female standup comedian.

>>33899862
woke moralist female trying to fit in and mentally live out her delusional fantasy of possessing a phallus, nothing surprising here.

kronii stop laughing....

>>33895998
She should graduate and head on off to Niji, then.

>>33895998
Stop bumping your thread, you autistic shitbag

>>33900219
unironically why women who used to be fat are some of the funniest women you will ever meet.

>>33899249
Ive had a few friends like that. From what I've been told they hate dealing with the female social dynamics. Most of them had their female social circle imploding because >women
>>33899536
They're aware but they still delude themselves into thinking male-female friendships are possible, despite how many of the so called friends loudly declare their intention to fuck their brains out. In some very special cases its possible, mind you, but only because their behavior makes them extremely undesirable even if they're pretty.

>>33896202
What are you going to do about it?

I feel like all our time together was worthless

>>33897517
>menhera breaking loose
Like during sex

>>33895998
She always wanted to be happy and the other girls just couldn't do it for her. I am so glad the boys are here to cheer-up my oishii,

>>33896202
jealous she gets cock and you don't?

>>33896373
really hope Kronii comes out with a boyfriend so these types of losers can finally leave

>>33896874
we aren't offering you the JP pill for no reason anon, its qualitatively and quantitatively better overall.

>>33900359
>Niji
If she joins Vsho she can push Social Justice, whereas Finana got slapped for it

>>33900518
>some of the funniest women you will ever meet
some of the fastest snails you will ever meet

>>33899901
only western men and women, western women are too woke and too cringe conscious to really make it work, they just can't play it straight without stepping into drama. JP women can compete if its with Vtubers though.

>>33899901
Nobody's watching any girls for entertainment no matter how much they say so.
It's all for that sweet parasocial relationship

kronii was deprived of male contact this whole time. her chat aren't men that can't satisfy her at all, they're just words on a screen that throw money at her and go OUUUGH boobs. so kronii needed to hear a male voice from all the vapid bitches she has to compete with in the idol game and she has been cured for it. Remember this always: you will always just be a number to her. Apply to Tempus2 and correct her yourself.

>>33904407
I dunno anon, Korone has her moments, and Migo is genuinely funny and puts a smile on my face everytime.

>>33904407
This. It's cope on the level of "Yeah I watch hentai for the plot"

>>33900518
>formerly fat women
Just say slut, anon

>>33895998
Yes kid, women get happier after a good dicking, how is this a surprise

>>33904479
Miko loves her fans and would never betray them with homo collabs
https://twitter.com/sakuramiko35/status/1554470092574199808

>>33904470
>Apply to Tempus2 and correct her yourself.

This is pretty much true. We are all just numbers on a screen to most of EN, but Tempus is a legitimate way to fuck your oshi for EN of those who interact with them, Cover has shown that that is so. So sign up, then you can take your first step to fucking them. its the best chance you'll get. What they wanted to avoid with the staff prohibitions, they're gonna allow with tempus.

>>33904700
yes, she's grown so much from the dark days that are now far behind, and we have grown with her. Have not felt disappointment once for the 2.5 years I've been a member.

>>33895998
Oh no no no no Kroniies are you guys ok?

>>33895998
so the lesbian rat is fake

wait, if vshojo is the trashcan where corpo indies go to, what happens if a vtuber gets kicked out of vshojo? is there an even worse company that will take them?

>>33904156
I hope she fucks him on stream too, cuckbro

>>33905147
Phase-connect

>>33895998
She finds pleasure in destroying the legacy of Hololive.

>>33895998
Is this NTR?

>>33905585
Never trust a queer

>>33905263
kek

>>33905158
Now try saying that without crying

>>33906110
You tell him, cucksister!

>>33906267
Nothing wrong with cuckoldry. It is the high class thinking man's fetish

>>33906110
You go cuckbro! We're proud of what we are!

>>33904470
>Throw away my illustrious career in fast food industry to play doctor with Kronii
Yeah no thanks

I didn't watch her before the DbD collab because she sounds dull af, but now I think I'll start watching your oshi.

>>33895998
It's just because talking to cute girls makes her nervous and stressed, like she's always instinctively trying to impress them and leave a good image. This doesn't happen when she's with bros. I'm sure you can relate to this.

>>33906560
So true, Kronii give the best brojobs

>>33906560
I want to believe this, but I can't

So this is what unicorns are like.. Men with 0 selfsteem who cant see a woman they like talk with another man without losing it and come with theories out their ass and now insults her cause she doesnt do what they want like if her live doesnt belong to her... this is sad... they never were fans their just selfish and desperate men trying to project themself as BF of a woman they will never ever met instead of just an entretainer doing her JOB.

>>33907098
Speak English, INdog rape-baby

>>33907098
>Entertainer no longer entertains a portion of their fans and tells them to fuck right off
>That portion of fans get mad and whine on /vt/ about it
>Women: "So this is what unicorns are like.. Men with 0 selfsteem who cant see a woman they like talk with another man without losing it and come with theories out their ass and now insults her cause she doesnt do what they want like if her live doesnt belong to her... this is sad... they never were fans their just selfish and desperate men trying to project themself as BF of a woman they will never ever met instead of just an entretainer doing her JOB."

>>33907098
Ogey

>>33907098
I am perfectly capable of selfsteeming by the way. In fact I do it almost everyday

>>33907098
>Entertainer doing their job tells long time fans to go fuck themselves and they will now be changing their content to something the fans hate
>Fans complain
>"omg it's the incels"
Absolute mongloid. I thought this is what you wanted? People to NOT be parasocial and to treat it just like entertainment? Ironically the people who are supporting this shit because they don't want the talent to consider them "antis" are deeper in the parasocial hole than anyone who just flat out says they hate homo collabs.

>>33907382
The one who hate her male collabs are a really small minority the vast majority support her so they dont have any value in both numbers or financially. if say from 5000 views 4980 love her colabs with HoloStars and 20 hate it and act like childs you can bet she or any of the girls cant care less if they fuck off. Actually better losing those penies for mental health... is worth every penny.

>>33907827
Fuck off you worthless shitskin

>>33907098
Her JOB is to entertain incels and she failed.

>>33907827
Dyrbi?

>>33907827
YWNBAW

>>33907909
How original. Attitude and insults only work on little kids. If you want me to go give me a good and mature argument not just rantings because you hate to be call out

>>33907827
She lost her penis????

>>33896373
Kiara would never make you feel depressed anon

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>>33896490
>expecting EN to ever debut a good gen

>>33907827
Is it a small minority though? We don't know, do we? When I hear someone say "fuck off, you're alone" I assume I'm over the target and there are a lot of like minded people with me, from past experience. I also assume they are out of actual arguments.

>>33899536
There are women who like that implied lust thing. I work with a girl who would gush about men who are nothing like me. I took it as a sign that this friendship will be purely platonic where I can speak more openly. So i asked her if she knew this girl in a different department because I think she's cute. She cut off all contact with me when she realized I was never attracted to her.

>>33895998
her laughing so loudly in there sounds like she's getting drunk when she collabs with males. like I can't speak to girls without getting drunk. I don't think she's that shy girl tho

>>33907188
I'm speaking English you cock sucking honky. Your retarded birdbrain just couldn't understand your own fucking language.

>>33896874
Sunk cost fallacy does sting, but you will be better for it of you just drop her right now
Let this be a lesson to you about blindly saviorfagging, the signs that kronii didn't care about her audience was there for awhile, i won't criticize you for either intentionally ignoring them or even fighting back at people bringing it up, but you have the choice, right here right now to just drop kronii cold turkey and look proudly towards the future.

Remember orca? Rushia's whale? He moved on the chloe and he's happy again
This hobby is not about picking a girl and never leaving her, its about cherishing the girls who value you

>>33897269
Anon have you actually ever watched her collab before? We can now tell she doesn't like the EN girls, we always had our suspicions because of her irl streams woth her friends, but these tempus collabs seal it

>>33908198
Project Hope has the highest average quality in Hololive history

dear kronii please come dab on all the indies

>>33907827
That's a lot of baseless statements. How small is that minority? How many pennies were lost? What effect did it really have on her mental health, if any? You're just saying random shit based on your feels.

>>33907188
>>33908165
>>33908375
the fuck, you should all learn from these

>>33908288
She seems to still be getting a shit ton of super chats, from what I've seen.
I've wanted a solid answer on how much of her income has been impacted, for a while now, but every time I ask /vt/ I just get ignored.
Which is a shame, this entire argument could be settled by someone just comparing her SC revenue from before and after. If it's a drastic dip, the unicorns are right, if it's the same then the detractors are right.

>>33908552
The real question is how she'll hold up when EN3 debuts. Loyalty's easy when there's no shiny new deep voices alternative

I can’t find the full VOD for the worms collar but based on the clips she sounds the usual dead inside with the exception of extreme saltiness when she fucks up. I might skip it if it’s not as entertaining as the vesper collab

Does Kronii have brothers? That would explain her being more comfortable around guys

>>33908288
It's such a small minority that she got triggered over it, which means this so called minority of people has more power than the other 99% that do "support" her.

>>33907098
You fundamentally misunderstood why female vtubers have fans.
Its all parasocial delusion, once rushia joined vshojo and lost all those types for EN "entertainment enjoyers," she started menhera'ing on her irl again because she isn't getting anywhere close to the level of money she used to get

>>33908615
Literally kronii is the pick me girl wokes always complain about

>>33908552
It’s too early to make this comparisons. Wait a few months and we’ll see if there’s a change you won’t be able to find a pattern with only a weeks worth of data

>>33897056
That's because the good one joined Phase Connect instead

>>33908552
Her income has not been impacted at all. She's still the top earner for Council so far. You'll need to wait for more streams to see if there are drastic changes since a lot of the recent superchats are pity superchats when she threw a fuss about it for Twitter points.

>>33908375
If you're speaking at a 5th grade level we can't have a proper conversation

>>33907827
Lmao, you have no idea, absolutely delusional
The difference between a base membership, and a gachikoi that drops $200 every stream is huge
Kson's high paying gachikoi started abandoning her when she joined vshojo and started collabing with men, and now she's back to complaining on twitter
Both her and rushia are doing the same fucking thing

There is no money in being an entertaining woman that isn't farming parasocial relationships, you mind as well quit now and just do something else

>>33908608
>>33908675
>>33908785
Thanks for the answers. I'll be back in like a month or two, then

>>33908552
Peoples memberships are still active, next month when she posts a membership post and has a lot less engagement, we'll be able to estimate her drop off, it's when you will see management freak

>>33908552
It will take a while to evaluate something like this. Some will dump her immediately, some will hold out a while longer in case the male collabs are just a short phase. She would have to do a few solo streams similar to solo streams she has done in the past and the revenue can be compared. For example, the revenue from an ASMR stream from before the male collabs can be compared to the revenue from an ASMR stream a couple of weeks after the collabs.

>>33908663
I mean there's plenty of money but it's pretty hard seeing your income take a 20% hit especially if you just got a new apartment

>>33908969
It's 20% on top of already underperforming compared to rushia
She got a lot of money in the first week, then the drop off was big

>>33907098
She is doing what she wants. She wants 4 men who'll pass her around.

>>33909069
Yeah and she has a crazy good sex model

>>33896373
If it's genuinely affecting your mental health you should leave and go back to watch anime. These are real people behind the avatars, with their flaws, own interest, secrets, etc. etc. You can not and should not put so much of your happiness and well being into another person like this unless they're your committed partner and you have a child together or something.

I'm not going to call you a retarded incel or unicorn, even though you probably are one. I'm telling you that should become a better person and if you can't distinguish this as just one piece of entertainment you're going to be miserable for the rest of your life.

>>33908473
Its easy to tell honestly you cant hide hundreds if not thousands of comments from social media both live vod or whatever. If the haters numbers even reached 4 digits it would be undoubtely notice in both her channel or her social media but her chanel keeps steadily getting on avarage 1000+ subs dialy her sc are consistent and cover corp at the end of the day is a company if a number even remotely significant were unhappy you can bet youre ass they would take side with money first since is her whole purpose there. But both her and cover basically said "fuck off haters" without any kind of compromise... as a greedy company as all its easy to tell why... because they dont give a shit since it wont affect her or more importantly their reputation or income. Thats how companies works like it or not. Haters and insults are low but praises and money are high so they are taking that more into consideration. Its a democracy the majority wins

>>33908952
Plus she has drama twitter reddit SJW buff now. How long will they stay to boost big tits anime girl?

>>33909171
social media isn't real dude.

>>33909169
You sort of did just call him those things though.

>>33908552
It'll take a while, it won't be that dramatic of a drop.

>>33909283
This is a socia media too you know. This is as "fake" as all media

>>33908615
Just an older sister I think. She has at least one male friend and male cousins that she talks to. Her PL friend group are all AFAB though.

>>33908932
>>33908952
I see.
I've been of the mindset that the unicorns are wrong for their reasons as to why, and thinking if it wasn't para social then you'd still send her money because the intent was always just to fund her content. I've seen examples too, albeit male content creators, doing things like opening memberships, but then making it clear the money is just going straight back in to things like hiring editors, better recording equipment, etc
The HoloEN girls, do not do this. In fact I'm always left wondering where the money goes with someone like Gura.

Anyway, my main point gets back to what I said about the unicorns, and the contrast between the EN Girls, and those aforementioned content creators. If you're not explicitly showing where this money is going, and how it's being used to reinvest into the show, then I think it's fair to assume you're just using it as a paycheck, no?
Well from there, the elephant in the room becomes impossible to ignore. Like it or not, if the para social delusional guys are who funds you, then you can't do anything to shatter the illusion.

This wouldn't really be an issue if any of the girls did it like the numerous examples I can think of, where some guy or game dev make it clear where the money is going, and how it's intended to give the audience a better experience. But it's clear they're not.

>tl;dr: respect your fucking customers, even if they're delusional fuckwits. If you were actually focused on entertainment and providing a show, instead of pandering to unicorns/para social guys, you would be telling your audience you were and actually reinvesting into your business

>>33909171
I believe she already chose graduation. That's the real reason for the two week break. So, she doesn't care about money at this point.

>>33908858
Why do you keep repeating this bullshit?

>>33909672
Yes. She should choose whichever path she wants and stick to it. If it is graduation, so be it.

>>33909171
Keep in mind that the types of people who would say something are a minority within the minority. I'd wager most of the guys who don't like her collabing with males will just silently stop watching. A lot of these types of people don't let these things out on social media, they just move on to someone else.

>>33909541
Then why don't the unicorns find a girl that cater to their tastes instead of forcing it upon someone who clearly doesn't want to cater to unicorns? Besides, Kronii still has the same superchat numbers and viewership, so maybe her unicorns are fine with it.

>>33909707
NTA. Where's the bullshit, anon? Chuubas who pander to parasocials make the most money.

See the top female streamer Amoranth if you need another example. She sells herself for the sexual fantasy. She hides the fact that she's married for obvious financial reasons.

>>33909867
Except, Kronii has. Her most popular VOD by far is her ASMR video.

>>33909867
Dunno, not my problem. I'm an observer, and indifferent to how the unicorns feel. Though that's a good point that they'd be better off just going to another VTUBER who will provide what they want, don't really have a problem with them doing that. This shit is a marketplace, after all

>>33909867
Drama buff happens. Takes time for the bleeding to occur but it will.

>>33909867
https://youtu.be/ohsk2FrZ40g
Who is this catering to?

Also check the views, it's one of her all time most popular streams with more views in a month than 95% of her other content

>>33910007
Ah, so she's a hypocrite then?
Wasn't aware she even made content like that. If you do that then you're just being the usual bullshit, of wanting to have your cake and eat it too

Like I said, if you wanted to be an entertainer, you already would be

>>33909672
"I belive" exacly. Its a wish you have not a fact. You think breaks are problems? ALL talents take breaks those are their vacations for irl stuff or even for cover projects since unlike many here they have lives to take care off or just to avoid creativity stagnation for overpressure thats actually her manager job.. If a break meant gratuation there would be no talents left by now not even one. All girls will take breaks here and there. 1 week 2 weeks a month its the talent and company agreement and the fandom shouldnt just go wild in speculations. If instead of a break it was a HIATUS yes you might have a point but youre calling her scheduled vacation that was mention before all of this as a "omg shes breaking because shes sad because of haters".

>>33909959
When did kson ever pander to parasocials? She literally had an interview talking about her past boyfriend.

>>33909541
Kiara talks so much about her life that you can have a pretty good grasp of how much is personal and how much is going back into projects. Chat had to stop her 'investing' into bitcoin at one point because one of her friends recommended it.

>>33895998
She's probably a tomboy

>>33896202
Because it's the only time collabs even get a little competitive. Normally it's just all of them saying how bad at games they are and the others comforting them. Sana was the only one willing to push people and talk a little shit, and she's gone now. So now we're left with girls with mostly shit skills at playing games trying not to come off as bullying each other when one of them gets even a 1% advantage.

>>33896594
it's pronounced cock

>>33910235
You don't watch Kronii, do you? She was hinting at graduation throughout her 1st anniversary stream, long before all this drama. The only question is whether the graduation is in July or earlier.

>>33910364
She did as Coco.

>>33895998
The true is that EN members feel restricted, western culteure is not the same as japanese culture. Cover wants to force an idol culture and that causes stress on most of the HoloEN members. That is why they are always angry with their fanbase, barely stream and take so many breaks. So don't be surprised if they can be more genuine and enjoy themselves when they collab with males, that is probably one of many things that they always wanted to do and I think it's fine.

>>33910926
https://youtu.be/sZ5-4SErzjA
Yeah sure

>>33910936
Only 4 girls wanted to do it, anon.

>>33908552
It's not that simple, and never will be. People join or leave for a million different reasons. I would say on the whole, EN is on a downward trend in terms of "profit." Not for anything anyone has done, but just from the fact that the EN audience is so fickle. So the closest thing you could examine would be her average revenue rise/drop over time. If it's steady, it's a nothingburger. If it's sharp or precipitous, it's something she did.

>>33910936
Cover isn't forcing anything on the EN branch. They let the talents do what they want, even publicly backing them in doing so. The some of the talents hate their fanbases for (western) cultural reasons.

>>33910878
Yeah i watch it same as thousands of people and no she didnt mention about any graduation at all its just you and some overreactiong. This may come as a shock to you but did you know VTubers roleplay their caracters? Yeah they get a script of a persona they need to impersonate to not colide with others and gather different kind of audiences. Kronnies VA got the narcissistic but negative girl whos is a weirldy popular character trope among some type of men same as emo girls. Shes playing a character most streams are heavily scripted and planned beforehand so i hate to break the inmersion but people taking completly serious these kind of stuff makes me remember some are kids who still belives stunts or CG in movies are real.

Kroniies is just the same as rosebud nowadays kek

I think there is a resurgence of unicorns because at this point in time Hololive has not yet learned how to be like Nijisanji. And I think we're gonna be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Hololive is not going to be the idol corporation they once were in the last few years. Kronii is going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Hololive to make. They are now going into nijisanjification mode and Kronii will be resented because of her leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Hololive will not survive.

>>33912022
What cover is doing with EN it seems it just getting rid of the outdated and problematic part that Idols must never interact with the oposite sex even as coworkers or "unicorns" specifically. Idols are singers, dancers and entretainers for a specific fandom they were never the fans GF... in countless animes and parodies they have shown how much idols hate the "unicorns" culture or how dangerous they are so that extremist culture mentality needs to die. Yeah in JP they are way more crazy still so for now they are testing waters to get rid of that in EN since western culture arent full of wakos getting jelous over a girls interacting with a male like if that were the ultimate sin and betrayal. Its their only chance.

>>33912672
The extremist position is normalizing male collab in a company in which they never the norm.

>>33908552
It takes a while to have a noticeable effect. It's not an instantaneous drop, it's more of a slow recline. as more and more of the original audience is slowly filtered out with the change in content, and not enough fresh cucks join to make up for it.

For example, even with all her constant yabs and retardation, it took Mori two years to arrive at her current average 5k-and-below ccv for regular (non-special buff content) streams, and while she's still in the lead for total lifetime superchats (because she amassed a shitton of them in the early days already), her recent new SC income has been rather average and she's not topping the monthly SC charts anymore like she used to.

>>33912022
what is with the NAmerica culture that keep destroying everything it touches? fucking nigger culture

>>33900771
>woman wants to rather hang out with only males because "teehee I'm not like all the other girls, they only make drama"
>invariably causes more drama for the group than before
A tale as old as time. Remember what happened when "that girl" joined your MMO guild? Yeah...

>>33913341
>the extremist position is doing something I dont agree with
fixed that for you, faggot

>>33912022
It's not a "resurgence of unicorns", because the unicorns were always there (guess what audience you attract when you (previously) sold yourself primarily as CGDCT entertainment). You only "notice" them more now because with the introduction of males the change in content is so rapid that it makes them speak out and confront the issue visibly.

As for Kronii being the "leading role", nah, that part has always belonged to Dickchaser Prime, the triple chinigami brapper, who made it clear she wants to hop on the cock carousel from day one and wants to drag the whole company down this path with her. Plus EN management itself is all onboard with the accelerated nijisanjification also. Omegatranny will make sure all future Holo applicant girls will only be willing cockslaves selected.

>>33912672
>outdated
>problematic
>dangerous
>extremist
Only missing "toxic entitled incel chuds" to complete the bingo. You have pronouns in your twitter bio

>>33910364
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPsHSMRd8hM

>>33895998
oh no /vt/sisters how could she laugh 2 decibels louder...

I think Kronii is ready to move to holostars

>>33912022
You know, Hololive used to be almost exactly like Nijisanji. Only when they realized that GFE brings in the money, they changed to be more like an idol group. But in the beginning they were basically just a Nijisanji ripoff. Their entire business model is just copied from Nijisanji.

>>33910589
that's why kronii liked sana the most. at least she had the boys to banter with now.

>>33896301
>>33896313
Oh ffs, what did I miss now?

>>33896324
cope, she just likes them. which is understandable cause frankly their better at bantz and content creation.

>>33895998
bro how is happy tuber a bad thing? Its bad if she is happy over committing crime.. ok but this is just a collab. Collab is like hanging with a friend/ acquaintance.Girl to girl collab is happy and full of laughter and jokes. of course girl to boy is the same. Its a collab. Kroni would still deliver good content for her viewers. Its irrational to lash over this.

>>33905158
mmm kronii moans, delicious. I hope I hear Axel in there too. mmm double nut

>>33896641
sucks for you nerd.
while she sucks up to them leaving you behind

>>33909169
You pretty much did insult him without saying it directly though. This is just Ames "improve yourself"
>wdym how can you be mad at that? I just told them to improve themselves, see, them getting mad about this means they’re projecting! It’s not condescending and averting the fact that I could be in the wrong!

>>33896373
Plenty of oshis in the sea anon, oshis who won't break your heart

Cow titted Corpo Vtuber turns down unicorn paychecks, more news at 11

Seriously though, it's funny that ALL the actual sexbomb models like Calli and Kronii try so hard to not be appealing in the slightest. What a waste of perfectly good models. Sana graduates, Calli acts like a dude cowboy, Kronii abolishes the fans that are sexually attracted to her, etc. etc. etc.

Sad, man. I guess JP just knows better how to use their models. Marine, Choco, Mel, Haato, Lamy, just to count a few.

>>33914598
Just further testimony that Hololive is what it is now because of the better formula and people who try to change it want Holo to go back to being uninteresting.

>>33904156
Why? Do cucks want less other cucks around when they get cucked? Seems kinda contradictory to being a cuck

>>33896373
You should kys if this level of shit made you depressed.

>>33896874
If you stay in the state you're in now, you'll only experience more pain.

You have to move on for your own sake.

>>33896722
huhuhuhu straight woman bad . . huhuhu she's a whore cause she's talking to them and laughing. huhuhu please make her graduate I cry like a little bitch when I see her having more fun with them rather than the girls who are boring and repetitive with bullying her. huhuhu.

>>33904156
I would love to cuck you with my bbc

>>33896734
Agree, I'm her hymen

East is normalized. AZN Idols kill themselves every month.

West not so much, everybody including your family members thinks your VT hobby is fucking creepy and should put you on a watchlist. So they can get away with turning EN into more streamer/YouTuber shit because there wont be any outrage because western audience are more casual about it.

>>33915188
>bullying her
?
Kronii is usually the dominant one, she comes out on top nearly every banter with gura

>>33898561
>girls=unfunny
>guys=charming,talented,hilarious
isn't it obvious?

>>33896874
I did it, it's pain but it also heals, Just cut it completely off, block unsub and mute the tags on twitter, hide everything that reminds you of her.
I would suggest trying looking for a girl in production Kawaii, they are very connected with the fanbase and they have a lot of love to give, Leaving Kronii leaves a huge hole in your heart and it hurt less if you fill it with some love from a sweet girl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOWXtjtXcKA&list=PLiniJMqFuOJ7bNYnVyYVEnBsSBJtvIhPr

>>33899573
aww, gonna cry?

>>33899661
>not that kind of girl
dude you better hide your kids, hide your wives, and hide your husband cuz snatchin' everyone out there

>>33899862
simple, she finds them funnier than the girls.

>>33900518
not true, that the funniest women are the ones you find attractive. get your facts straight anon.

>>33902427
cause you deluded yourself into thinking she cares about your pasty ass

>>33903915
agree. i hope all her streams next week include one of the boys in one way or another. the best way for her to filter out the wrong crowd and create a new one she enjoys.

>>33915794
Still her fault.

>>33914993
This will age like milk...

>>33915241
mmm show it to me first big boy

>>33895998
She should eat a normal meal, something is wrong with her head

>>33904548
i hope you get a good dicking too anon, i pray for your happiness

>>33904996
duh. a woman as attractive as she can never be a lesbian.

>>33908858
There's way more sponsorship opportunities in Hololive than in VShojo, and gachikoi don't affect those.

>>33915867
I strongly agree with you on this. I encourage acceleration among those who have made it clear that idol culture is the enemy.

she's probably the type that hangs out with men because "women are too much drama"

>>33905585
BASED. Time to member her so she sees this as a win and continues to destroy the idol legacy. :D

>>33905780
>queer
nah man, she only leans towards males. girl ships are a joke to her. lol

>>33906560
stop trying to paint her as a lesbian. she's a fake, as fake as her laughs with the girls.

>>33909169
good job anon! XD

>>33909672
same, I too think she threatened graduation that's why management backed her up and made a fuss about her statements.

they can't risk another member from the council calling it quits. especially the most popular one

>>33910118
obviously catering to altare, vesper, axel, and magni duh. don't feel entitled, she doesn't care about you lol.

>>33910548
tomboys don't wear dressed

>>33914993
but.. but... I only crave perfection.

>>33915068
exactly, I want to be the last kronie cuck :D less competition. I intentionally shit on kronii so she'll only have me

>>33915378
you're delusional anon. kronii is too much of a pushover to ever dominate anyone. she tries to please everyone that's why it's so easy to troll her

>>33915868
no, u

>>33915364
Thing with 'streamer' shit is it's a fucking grind. If you get out of the idol kiddy pool of 'we support you because you give us so much attention' you start competing with people like xqc and lirik who pull full 6-12 hour days with maybe one break day a week. Once you've normalized away from the idol appeal no one is going to listen to your music and performances except as a mild curiosity. You'll be a streamer first and foremost, like just about everyone else in the business.
Kaela can do it. Everyone else? It'll be hell especially with permissions and management getting in the way.

>>33895998
>>33895998
The first collab, the one that broke the kroniis...how to explain it... I didn't watch much of her after the first 5-6 months(in which I watched a lot), but checked that collab and suddenly it felt like a kick on the face or something. It just seemed like that from debut until just before that collab everything was fake and staged. I think is this what really hit the nerve for her gachikois/Unicorn/Intense fans. Never had that feeling with Fubuki or the ID's I watch for example.

>>33916052
aww you agree with me? we're besties now anon. :') but yeah, I hope she can cultivate a fandom that she wants whilst producing content she actually enjoys.

>>33916113
anyone would prefer to hangout with men, women are just too tiring after a certain amount of time

>>33905585
>destroying the legacy of Hololive.
More like bringing back the redacted history of Hololive.
Holos used to collab with males all the time, but they stopped after they blew up and now the regular Holofan doesn't even know that.

>>33918156
Even knowing it....what did the no-male-collab give hololive? Success.

>>33917707
>I hope she can cultivate a fandom that she wants
I hope so too, monkeys paw. Cultivating a fanbase of unicorn hating twitter troons is only going to lead to long term pain as her numbers fall and she finds out she has to walk on eggshells even more to please an audience that is notoriously prone to turning on it's creators over minor perceived social justice faux pas. Losing 50%+ of your audience just to pander to people who will probably cancel you for being a TERF or some other bullshit anyway? Good plan.

>>33918156
It blew up in popularity because it stopped and embraced idol culture.

>>33918233
>>33918591
I don't care about the effect it may or may not have had. I'm just pointing out that it's nothing new.

>>33918156
You meant before, not after. And it wasn't a coincidence.

>>33917305
Perfection doesn't crave you though, she craves hot males a.k.a. male perfection.

she's overacting to own the haters, that's why she's mori 2.0
More than anything it showed her up as bad at acting

>>33919237
Really, the best thing is to just ignore haters. Replying gives em more fuel.

>>33919109
nuuuu, it can't be!! my whole world is now shattering...

>>33919268
yup and doing it in passive aggressive snide remarks is the worst way of doing it too, people who werent haters felt attacked by her comments and the people who do hate her were able to use that to stir up more shit

>>33908473
it's the same with the unicorns when they say they won't get a lot of SCs or a lot of views. what's your point?

>>33896874
Take the small corpo pill and support a 2/3view. Best move I've made to cope with this really. There's much higher chances of your bullshit getting read even if you're a grey.

>>33919457
A best response is no response.

>>33918875
So you are advocating that they return to irrelevancy?

>>33910589
i unironically think this is it. i've always been annoyed by how little the holoEN girls banter and talk shit with each other. they're basically yes-manning each other. i hate niji, but in that regard they are better, and it creates more interesting collab dynamics.

>>33919718
I'm pretty sure that modern Hololive is way too fucking big for that to happen even if every girl starts doing offcollabs with males where they act kinda flirty. It would recline, sure, but it's got too much mass to ever be irrelevant.
But hey, even if it does start to fade, maybe it'll die while leaving us with something as kino as 27 and JK.

>>33895998
As someone who doesn't really care about either, Holy shit get a life.

You can tell she's craving those cocks!

>>33918233
>>33918591
You're talking to a nijinigger. It's exactly what they want.

>>33921125
mmm yes, she's just like me fr fr. that's why she's my oshi

>>33895998
Source?

>>33912022
I get it.

>>33899691
Why Pick me girls are "failed women", anon? I'm actually curious since for what I've heard the failed womens are the ones that believe and eat the feminist propaganda and end up alone and miserable.

>>33896313
what the fuck

>>33930698
From who have you heard that but the men whose validation the pickle’s crave

>>33904996
She may be bisexual. Most people forget what she did with Ina in the off-collab.

>>33895998
How long until she will openly shit on her coworkers for not collabing with males?

>gossiping about who she laughs more with
Imagine being more mentally ill than the anons who live in mudhutts.

>>33898427
Shit, he’s Taiwanese? Based. I guess that makes sense. His rm always looked more chink than gook.
>t.a chink

>>33933045
I'm sure if there was a range ban on SEA posting, there would be 90% less posts involving the word "cuck" in them.

>>33895998

>>33931318
So you're not gonna answer? There has to be an argument behind your claim, right? Back it up then

>>33933417
>I-It's the SEAfags calling me a cuck!
Bruh, everyone thinks you're a cuck if you still have a membership to Kronii.

>>33895998
I remember when Kronii debuted and people would say that her lack of hype and bored voice was just part of her "personality, now you guys are finally seeing her true colours

>>33933417
nah i am no sea you clock keks are deff cucks i just shit posted the discord fag who posted this its obviously them but yea enjoy clock whore.

remember when you schitzos were convinced she was a tranny? now you're getting mad at her for being a girl and liking boys how the turn tables

Wanna seethe more unihorns?
Next worms collab this friday will mark Kronii collabing with every male from Tempus when she competes against Axel

>>33896202
> certain types of girls

>>33934464
More fanart you mean

>>33904156
Why do you think that'd fix anything? Pretty much every girl on the no-male collabs team have irl boyfriends?

>>33896313
Lmao refunding like a bunch of beggars. Bruh. Dramafags are legit not worth our time.

>>33895998
And I hate it :C

>>33897488
>they already prevented Gura from playing rust at all
Huh?

>>33914798
I hope Kronii doesn't do anymore girls only collabs, she clearly doesn't enjoy them.

It's like all the time she spent before these male collabs was either artificial or she was just phoning it in. Seeing her come back interacting with the girls and chat feels like she's putting on that same mask pretending like nothing's changed. For some reason, I feel used and abused...

>>33917673
This.

Most EN chubas look at this as an extension of high school. Except now they can larp as turbo Stacey. They need to stop hiring people under 25.

>>33895998
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHEykHqk2XE&ab_channel=%E8%B6%85%E7%B4%9A%E8%98%8B%E6%9E%9C%E4%BA%BASuperAppleMan
she sounds so happy, sisters... we should be happy for her, kronies!

>>33914598
Shut the fuck up, retard. You don't know what you're talking about. They started as an idol group. Streaming games wasn't even supposed to be a thing until they found out it was a good way to promote themselves.

>>33895998
Why did she single out Vesper?

>>33937134
>only one she can do this with is a m*le
I'm starting to think the unity thing is nothing but a lie.

>>33899536
Do you think gay men just immediately want to fuck every dude in a five mile radius regardless if they're gay or not? Like would you struggle being friends with someone that tells you they're gay because you're afraid they secretly want to fuck you?

>>33937283

Bitter over rejected Sext-pics that went unread.


What are the odds Ame, Bae, Mori and a handful haven't already "shared" what's under their hood already?

Simps here on VT vehemently deflect or get the Mod cuckolds with no Self Respect to work it out on their behalf

I just wish there was one Janitor whose had enough of this fuckery, as long as EN has been simped for, and Burn fucking everything

Fuck You EN, 2 Years of Time pissed down a gutter.


Hurts to say even, but in Light of recent Discoveries...

>>33937441
No idea how gay men think, sweaty. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that any straight guy will want to be more than friends with a girl that he gets along with and isn't horribly ugly. He might not have the guts to try for more than friendship, but definitely fantasizes about it.

>>33937995
You're the kind of retard that thinks any man talking to a woman is cheating, don't you? Like your line of thinking leads to the whole 'even thinking about another woman is cheating because men MUST fuck every woman they meet', so why would you ever be surprised when it results in incredibly jealous people?

>>33914993
Don't jinx it, you never know what might happen tomorrow.

>>33914993
nah Mumei did a garctic collab with some stars guys sorry Unicorns but keep looking.

I really want Kronii to have sex with a man.

>>33895998
She's a middle age single woman. The need to breed is very much real.

>>33918875
So, you're advocating for Hololive to fail?

>>33908377
>Remember orca? Rushia's whale? He moved on the chloe and he's happy again
What, really? Holly shit, good for him. Chloe is such a sweetheart.

>>33895998
>5 kronii drama threads
ITT NIGGER OP AND NIGGERS GETTING BAITED. KEEP BEING NIG CENTRAL /VT/.

>>33933417
>I-if it wasn’t for seanigs I wouldn’t be a cuck
T. Cuck

>>33934443
>schizo
You dumb nigger faggot she literally said herself that identifies as genderfluid, thats where all the troom memes come from. your cope is getting delusional

>>33937441
>you refuse to befriend gays because you fear they will fuck you
>I refuse to befriend gays because they are subhuman
We are not the same

>>33942044
I mean anyone on this website is already a subhuman...

>>33896313
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/33772005/#q33775384
Reminder this came from a teakek discord.

>>33905585
Was not that Calli? lmfao

>>33908377
>Orca
He still follows Mikeneko and Nazuna and replies to all of her Tweets
You could have spent 40 seconds to confirm this, but you didn't. Why?

Who's ready to see how different she acts around the girls compared to yesterday in about 40 mins?

>>33937441
>Do you think gay men just immediately want to fuck every dude in a five mile radius
They're much bolder than women when it comes to sex and hook ups. My big brother, who is 100% straight, got hit on by a gay dude in a public swimming pool. The gay dude just smiled at him in a really creepy way and gave him his number on a piece of paper. My brother was so utterly disgusted by the experience it made him hate gays for a few years lmao

>>33895998
>Sounds so happy and actually laughing because she's allowed to act like a human
Damn, it's almost like there's a reason.

>>33937441
Kill yourself, faggot

Sometimes women just need a good dicking.