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>>33877365
/2434/ votes:
1. Aye
2. Option 2.

>>33877267
https://rentry.org/Louis-d-Avranches-Act-2
I also finished Chapter 3, I am speed.

here are the character sheets for Retro Reich characters for the escort story:
https://rentry.org/Elaine-Smirk
https://rentry.org/Cpt-Redbeard
https://rentry.org/Johanna-aus-All-Bones

my prologue for the escort will ahve to wait till tomorrow tho sicne today was a stressful day and my brain is fried.

speakign of stories for escort tho, alice i really loved what you cooked up so far, characters feel really good!! if any of my onobot stuff really did inspire anything in your writing that then i will selfishly take pride in that because your stuff is so much better.

>>33877365
i just got unbanned mate and am ready to cast my vote for the first time. Nijisanji Males votes:
>>1. Province System: Do you agree on its implementation. Read this to understand more. https://rentry.org/Provinces.. Notice: A vote for this voids By-Law 11 because It would serve no purpose. (Aye/Nay)
Straight to the point, Agreed. I think it is a good proposal.
>2. Place Warkop based on options in Pic. YOU CANNOT ABSTAIN!!!! (Aye/Nay)
Can really say it matters too much to me, but I do like the way 2 looks on the map, as it is the status quo. We buggered the last vote probably but I like it so let's go with 2!

Its been a while so.....

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>>33877665
<3 aww, Thank you!!!! I was inspired!!!!! I take your time and don't go full PP like I am

>>33877365
right voting.
1. having been one to throw this idea into the ring in the first place and firmly beleiving that even if this comes with it's own problems that overall this will be better than the map as it is. A full Yes from me.
2. Seeing as of right now there is still the potential of /dsw/ and more stuff comes from nijisanji all the time i think 4 would be overall good tho i prefer the left side of 2. if new threads need to be put into Anykaria i think it is not the best to shrink /2434/ or /nijiEN/ because those nations will already face the issue of having to make place for new cultures representing new chuubas of those branches already and so having space open might be better.

>>33877598
i want Sherah to meet Elaine so much, i think there could be kino talks between them between one that considers herself to shoulder the fate of her nation with the person responsible for the Navy that is the main protecting force of its own Nation.

also of course she would get horny at one point^^

>>33877365
Been waiting for this vote, made my opinion about it a week or two ago. Ready to go. /kr/ votes:
1. Y
2. Option 2, since Hanafag said he doesnt mind losing land.

Generally been keeping quite and readin lore. Gw guys. Hopefully my brain will come into action soon! Busy with school

>>33878628
We have like 4 characters that feel this way, Louis probably handles it the best. Ty!!!

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>>33878881
kek, the "weight of the world on my shoulder" fanclub is meeting up^^

>>33877365
Um, Alice, isn't warkop already placed? It's included on the interactive map...

>>33880256
Nwm ignore me, the borders for it had to be revoted

>>33879099
Oh mighty WARanon. The risuners are finally at it. They just had a big battle in the south and won and now they are uniting the tribes together through the art of war. I bet you must be pleased to see the horny squirrels finally using their bodies for something other than sex?

>>33877267
here, have a silly little new language with a disproportionately developed phonotactical system and almost nothing else
https://files.catbox.moe/c9hwe9.pdf

>>33877365
Based images of cat but it is time to vote. /pcg /votes:
>1. Province System: Do you agree on its implementation. Read this to understand more. https://rentry.org/Provinces.. Notice: A vote for this voids By-Law 11 because It would serve no purpose. (Aye/Nay)
There is no perfect system but seeing this on the map firmly persuaded me into being totally in favor of this along with the time loops.
Yea.
>2. Place Warkop based on options in Pic. YOU CANNOT ABSTAIN!!!! (Aye/Nay)
Not repeating my previous points, voting the same as last time
Yea.

>>33878881
wait actually this could be the core concept for this, having Sherah meet different people that are in a similar position to herself and learning of these different views and how other people deal with it to find her own strenght and courage.

bump

Hey, if you're here OG, I was wondering if you posted the story. I might've missed it.

I have a silly question to /uuu/. Do you have cooking? I know you have fires for warmth. I wonder if you use fires to cook fruit and vegetable dishes.

>>33885053
Yes.

>>33884664
He hasn't yet, the boats are still in transit.
Also, cute Fauna.

>>33885265
Yes.

>>33885265
I was going to either tonight or tomorrow, the part before we get to the actual destination. And yes cute fauna.

>>33885149
How complicated are your cooking tools? Do you have ceramics and cast iron or do you just smoke fruit and veggies on a stick?

>>33886034
Fun fact, you can boil food in leaves if you craft a bowl with them.

>>33886034
Wooden spoons and ladles are aplenty, knives are made of cast iron and sharpened stones. Bowls and dishes are also wooden but typically saplings do not use any kind of silverware and eat with their hands or drink directly from their bowls.

>>33886541
Makes sense. Fresh leaves have too much moisture in them to burn. Alternatively you can put a red hot stone in a ceramic bowl to boil water to steam things.

>>33886549
Well as long as you have stoneware you can make lots of things. Perhaps you can trade with Hoomans to get iron cauldrons pots and pans to cook other things. Still you can do a lot with stoneware. Frying eggs, crushing flour to cook hotcakes on, etc. Saplings don't eat eggs. Just saying that as an example.

>>33886549
>>33887739
I need to work out the extent of our trade with the saplings, especially for tools and the paths the traders would take, but I don't really feel like writing anything right now.

>>33881189
Ohh thanks a lot! I actually thought about having a specific pronoun for manmade objects to reflect the civilisation theme but since saplings and maybe the brrats would also use it I'm a bit reluctant to add it in. Since whatever the saplings or brrats speak would probably be a dialect of the Hooman language, or at least a very close relative. I'm not sure if such a big change in basic language rules can be applied to a dialect of the language.

>>33888001
>I'm not sure if such a big change in basic language rules can be applied to a dialect of the language.
why would it? it can always just, you know, not exist in other dialects. who even says hooman is the main dialect?
the real question is, would this artificial pronoun have it's own reflexive?

>>33881189
>Since we’re here, writing will not have silent letters
nice.
>Ayi: (pron.) you (accusative)
>A: (pron.) you (nominative)
I have no idea what this means.
Also, I'm tempted to just have a a singular pronoun for he-she-it to just make it easier.
>>33888001
Sounds like a pain, imagine adding "artificial" to everything made in modern society, I mean, I already know the oranges I'm eating aren't natural at all.

>>33889895
I mean crafted or built objects. So oranges are still considered natural but an artwork made with it would be referred to by its specific pronoun

>>33887739
Why wouldn't saplings eat eggs, they hunt and eat animals just like any other primitive tribal group. Also, I would allow there to be more modern tools used in bordering tribes along with /who/ such as in the UUUing Woods which are more accustomed to steel knives and pots like you mention.

>>33890247
That does still sound like pain and a bad idea. Having our language be as simple as possible is still a goal we have, and while it'd be funny, I don't think making the language harder is a worthy sacrifice for comedy.

>>33890662
It's just an idea. I do agree thematic elements should be less important than other aspects like its practical use in worldbuilding and the connections it have with other nations.

>>33890465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhW4XFGQB4o
"Primitive" iron smelt from bloomeries aren't cast iron. For casting you would need some kind of blast or cupola furnace. That would classify the knives made locally in /uuu/ as wrought iron knives.

>>33889895
>Also, I'm tempted to just have a a singular pronoun for he-she-it to just make it easier.
i read that as "single" at first and was afraid you were about to make jamaican patois but worse. that's fine, it's not an uncommon convention to simplify pronouns, god knows english did it, we used to have 8 different ways to say "you", now we just have 3 we took from the 4 plural versions.
speaking of which, accusative means the subject of the sentence (i.e. 'i' did this) and nominative means object (i.e. this happened to 'me'). i don't know if you care to have these but it's the same as old english "thee" which is accusative and "thou" which is nominative, if you want a frame of reference
>>33890662
i kind of agree that if he doesn't mean something golems then it's a pretty unnecessary addition that could just be replaced by "it"
also if you want an actually shit meme language i can point you towards kay(f)bop(t)

>>33893740
Right, I think I get it.
I'll go for simplified pronouns then, I don't care to mess around and make things harder than they should.
If it works for english then it works for us.

>>33890465
I thought Saplings are vegan. My apologies.

Anyway since Saplings are not vegans I'm thinking Hoomans could trade foods Saplings can't easily make like bread, cheese, and wine for exotic nuts and fruits. But whatever Hoomans decide to trade with Saplings is up to them.

>>33898076
The trusty mushroom trade is one of the only things that has been elaborated on

>>33880765
Yes

Morning fellas
What's going on?

>>33877365
Vote for /meat/:
>1
Aye
>2
Aye

https://youtu.be/smOpYjOJcsI
>18th Century punk history
I think this is appropriate for us

bump

>>33877598
Is Act I somewhere else? I couldn't find it in the archive

For anyone interested, here are some research on period appropriate breech loaders.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7364
https://en.topwar.ru/174191-luchshaja-kaznozarjadnaja-kremnevaja-vintovka.html

>>33907348
And to counter that here's why some of them might not be adopted as military arms or experience niche/limited use:
https://www.historicalfirearms.info/post/136280214384/the-crespi-system-a-1770-austrian-crespi
https://alhfam.blog/2011/03/15/notes-from-the-little-rock-regional-shooting-the-hall-rifle/

bump

bump

>>33881422
Correction, last point is option 2

>>33905479
There is no Act I, the prequel will come later sorry.

>>33877365
Good day everyone, I have had plenty of time to recover and think about the options here, particularly the first option and am ready to cast my ballot.
1. Y
2. Option 2, it is what Warkop wanted and their neighbors did as well.

>>33917036
Thanks, was fearing that I missed an archive.

>>33917392
Welcome back! Good to hear you're better now.

>>33917552
Thank you, I have been lurking for the past week but work has been in the way! Happy that PP finished my story well and am ready to get to work with him for our collaboration effort soon.

>>33901303
meatbro... you have to pick a spot, Aye won't work lmao.

>>33917552
No! I just started in Act II because that's sort of fits what I am doing overall.

>>33919826
My bad, we voted for option 4 so we're sticking to it.

>>33877365
/mhm/ votes:
1. Aye
2. Option 2

>>33919903
>>33901303
OK. I think Sol did it too but fixed it, I will just link this post to your vote, Thank you!!!

>>33919903
Made the same mistake myself. Only found out after I checked in after looking over some spreadsheets as I often do.

bump

cool thread, nerds

>>33877365
/aeg/ votes
>1. Aye
>2. My understand is that their rep wanted spot 2, thus I choose it.

bump

bump

gentlemen?

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>>33927185

>>33877365
/nijien/ votes:
1. Yes
2. Option 2.

>>33877365
1. Yes
2. Option 2

also since I will be going to work soon just wanna say doing stories soon. Mainly /uuu/ parts until I know whats going on with the parts before. Alice is doing good at setting up scenes and stuff so great to work off of.

While I am gone for 5-6 hours ill just leave this here for any questions and shit about well pretty much anything. Ill answer whatever the fuck when I can.

For the wiggly fans, bat dropped the wiggly origin lore last night.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1599392575?%3Ft=46m30s
The "explosion" she refers to is the release of wild wigglies. Before that there were only vault ones, and only 4 had been officially recognized by their chuubas.

>>33928242
>>33928515
>>33928693
Beother! Im back!

What kind of historical weapons have significant cultural or religious significance in your nation? And are they still used today? Or have their meaning, usage and formed changed over the centuries?

>>33877267
https://rentry.org/Louis-d-Avranches-Act-2
Chapter V is out.

>>33932837
sorry it's 4.

>>33877365
/v7/ votes:
1. Abstain
2. Option 2 since i must choose one.

>>33932374
For /meat/, it's the skeggøx, or bearded axe. It's a tool and weapon that most probably predated the arrival of the cultists. The long, cleaver-like cutting edge makes it a fairly effective cutting weapon against flesh and bones, while still light enough to allow for some degree of control. The natural grip behind the axe allows for the user to have finer control of the blade if needed, and the hook is sometimes used to disarm enemies or bypass their defence.
The cultists still prefer obsidian blades in rituals for their precision, but the skeggøx's versatility and simple (yet elegant, as some might say) design still make them a symbol of /meat/ adaptability and gumption.
Nowadays, most /meat/ warriors and soldiers have adopted more sophisticated weapons like poleaxe and halberd, but axes of similar design are still commonly used by lumberjacks and woodworkers, and some /meat/heads still carry them for utility and symbolic reasons. Due to their ubiquity, some local levies might also be spotted using them as their main melee weapon.

>>33877365
hoshiyomia votes!
>1. Yes
>2. Option 2 since that is status quo currently and I have no strong preference for any of them, nor am concerned.

>>33929878
AWW SHIT! WADDUP YOU SEXY BITCH! Anything new I should know?

>>33933902
Yeah chapter is done!!!!

>>33933510
For me, I'd think that besides the halberd, we'd have sabres for the troops.
As for firearms, since we focus on close-ranged combat the soldiers would use something like a blunderbuss or musketoon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musketoon
And finally, axes don't die, they just got an upgrade.
http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2010/12/combined-firearms-axes.html

>>33932837
Just got to read the last two chaps, very nice work. Good characterization too. Ganbatte Sherah.

>>33934106
>we'd have sabres for the troops
Would we? We don't really have much of a cavalry, and the tropical thicket probably requires something more similar to machete to clear (assuming the axe won't cut it... heh).
As for firearms, I don't know if those have acceptable accuracy even in close range, but if so, I can see them being used as well.

>>33934482
>the tropical thicket probably requires something more similar to machete to clear
Right. Machete would fit better.
How about this? Based off the Iban sword.
http://senjatasaribas.blogspot.com/2010/04/nyabur-ilang-tanah-merah.html

>>33934727
Yeah, that seems more like it. I don't know if it can fully replace the axe, but maybe they can coexist and which one is used as sidearm is more down to personal preference or local traditions.

>>33934460
Thank you, I did well with the Deadbeats, I hope!!!

>>33934872
Since axe has a name in Nahuatl; tepoztli. I'd say they would stay.
And local traditions would be a factor.
West Matiyotl is semi-arid so heavy thicket wouldn't be a problem

Molerisuners
https://youtu.be/VLAx-wZckm0

>>33932837
YOUUUUUU

>>33877267

https://rentry.org/LotS-RR

The Prologue for the Escort Mission from the Retro Reich

>>33877267
https://rentry.org/Louis-d-Avranches-Act-2
Chapter V done.

>>33940785
oh no, i think i made the msitake and thought Lord of the Sea is supposed to be the overarchign name for the Escort, fuck

>>33941161
Oh.... Well, we can fix it!!!!

>>33941315
i mean i can do a new doc with a different name, i jsut feel stupid i jsut realized it is the name of your own story and not the escort right as i psoted my prologue rentry

>>33941529
I can feel you.... I renamed one of my docs like 3 times....

>>33939727
You don't do yourself justice!!!! I love your characters so MUCH!!!! Great work Retro Senpai!!!!!!

>>33941731
thanks, i tried to go more with the describing stuff people do while talking but i am not sure how pleased i am with it sicne i feel it still disprupts the covnersation a bit too much. still need to figure out how to best do this. in a reverse this trying of a change of writing was inspired by yours^^

>>33941880
WONDERFUL!!!! Well... my sister actually helps me a lot with that stuff... You are doing great!!!

>>33939727
>his carefree nature as well as red hair and beard seemed to increase the temperature of the room a bit as if to counteract the degrees it lost from the frosty aura of Elaine.
This line is delightful, and I like how this frosty image carries forward in the rest of the piece, very nice. The All-bones lady is a ton of fun too!

>>33942092
btw for when it is actually my turn of the escort and us handlign the VIP for that duration, would it be fine for Elaine to learn that Sherah misses Antoine and Elaine coming up with an excuse that the Royal navy has not sailed with the Imperial navy in decades and thus would request for someone from the Imperial navy to come over for "better communications" to give them a chance to see each other a bit?

>>33942294
thanks, i do liek the iamge of Elaine having this cold and menacing aura around her when she actually is very aloof about it herself and just thinks she is talking in a normal fashion
also i am delighted to see what you will cook up with my fair Ojou-Sama^^

>>33942337
hmmmm, I think its a good idea though Louis would just approve it regardless as you have seen.

>>33942578
who would win, Elaine or Louis?????

>>33942630
The issue would be more on Elaine's side as she would want to be considerate on one side but also wants to do stuff by the book and officially and make a good showing, if she just flat out asked for Antoine to get on her ship and handle Sherah, for her the issue would be that this could be seen as Elaine not able to handle a VIP and needing help from an outside nation. So she would come up with this roundabout way of doing it.

>>33942700
Mr. Perfect himself. I feel the way you wrote him is that he basically snatches the souls of women KEK.

>>33942817
Louis would be the one to devise a scheme, as he always does.
>>33942868
hmmmmmmmmm, likely given his skills with perception. He really doesn't fear anything.

>>33942700
>>33942868
win what exactly? Elaine's heart? no one would win, Elaine has 0% interest in romance of any kind and is still a virgin. She is way too obsessed with work to even consider such stuff.

>>33942982 (me)
Also, poor lisa doesn't realize he doesn't share the same feelings back. He wants someone who fills a role for him and she doesn't.

>>33877219
Climateanon, are you still around? I need your expertise on a personal project

>>33943017
Not what I meant!!!!!!!! Elaine would find it really weird however that this man can basically stare right back into her soul without any fear of her.

>>33943093
Is he afraid of anything actually?

>>33943235
There isn't a person alive that scares him, besides his step-grandfather.

>>33943093
Nah she would not find it weird at all. And if pointed out that she is staring she will simply aknowledge it and continue because she keeps focus when she thinks. enough of the old Sailors that been around her sicne she was a kid know fully well that she is not some evil ice princess and look her in the eyes too. It is merely the impression she gives off towards people that know her less well so i would assume even for Louis it will take some amount of time before he truyl gets her, tho his skills probably will help him get there faster than most people.

>>33943415 (me)
Also if the two of them actually somehow get suckered into a staring contest i would assume it goes on as logn as neither of them has soemthing else to do.

>>33940785
>>33939727
is this a multipov story?

rosebud about to drop his thoughts about alice the whore. grab your popcorn kek

>>33945962
Sort of... I am doing a lot of work now because it will help everyone else in the process. Sometimes, just write nigger is the philosophy for success.

>>33945962
I guess it is more like several stories that overlap at certain points.

yawn... who is actually writing lore anymore.

>>33946888
Retro just did. Pretty good. But I think he is the only one.

>>33946441
after she bullied yet another person out of the project? KEK

>>33946441
gonna defend his cumdump

>>33947350
Sad to get bullied out by a loli.

>>33947696
tell that to all the people who left because of her KEK at least retro came back to stick it to her!

>>33947793
Well you must be really weak if she bullies you out. Probably couldnt handle posting on 4ch

>>33947873
NI HAO VENUS!

>>33947920
WHEN ALICE CAN’T DEFEND HERSELF SHE SENDS THE PP SQUAD TO DO IT, I KNEEL!

>>33947970
top kek, she must know nobody else will!

>>33948018
comedy gold

>>33947920
Literally who?

Holy samefag.

JUSTICE FOR ALL ALICE BULLIED OUT! WE WILL AVENGE YOU!

>>33948243
WE WILL AVENGE ALL!

nigga just can't stop riding alice's dick god damn

>>33948324
JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

>>33948370
IN HONOR OF THE FALLEN!

>>33948474
YOU ALL WERE WRONG TO IGNORE MOUNTAIN AND KINDREDS WARNINGS!

>>33948580
OUR FALLEN COMRADES

Alice is pretty based ngl

>>33948947
KEK! Look at all this cope!

Can we have one week without you retards shitting up the thread?

>>33949202
The Panon Generation? I agree!

>>33949202
Just let him tire himself.

>>33877365
/yeah/ votes:
1. AYE AYE!!!!
2. IDK, I spun a wheel and it came out on One. So let's go with that

>>33949319
I WILL NOT REST UNTIL THE FALLEN ARE AVENGED!

>>33949511
BASED VOTING SKILLS

>>33949319
Sorry, I know I shouldn't respond to bait. It is just extra annoying since the threads have been cozy lately.

>>33877365
https://rentry.org/ap-global-vote

>>33949905
they’ll be cozier without you here to bite low-effort bait

>>33950143
>the guy making the bait says this.
Top kek. lol LMAO EVEN

world building thread btw

>>33950202
>everybody is the schizo boogeyman now
Can jannies just ban this thread already

>>33950125
Pentomo... Nay means you don't want them on the map....

>>33950290
MY BALLOT IS CAST!!!! THERE IS NO TURNING BACK!!!!

hold on let me summon the jannies. I AM A MEATHEAD I LOVE /MEAT/ THIS IS A MEAT THREAD! And now that i have your attention pls ban the real asshole pls and thank you.

>>33950375
women shouldn't be allowed to be reps.

DOWN WITH THE PANON GENERATION

>>33877365
I HAVE BEEN NAMED THE INTERM WARKOP REP. IF THAT IS NOT ALLOWED, DISCOUNT MY VOTE.
>>1. Province System: Do you agree on its implementation. Read this to understand more. https://rentry.org/Provinces.. Notice: A vote for this voids By-Law 11 because It would serve no purpose. (Aye/Nay)
Aye
>2. Place Warkop based on options in Pic. YOU CANNOT ABSTAIN!!!! (Aye/Nay)
Aye

not to be a dick but i would appreciate if the people voting actually would read over what is beign voted, the amount of people that voted for the /warkop/ vote without understanding that they are to pick a configuration for it is worrying.

>>33951157
I voted for the configuration because I voted for the same thing last time.

>>33951010
Shit, squirrelbrain hit me. Spot 2.

>>33951157
In my defense, I genuinely would have abstained from this vote if I could!!! I read over it well.

>>33951299
yeah but many people have not chosen what configuration they want for /warkop/ because it seemed like they did not even see that they are to choose one if yes.
these votes are supposed to be about important and long lasting decisions and if liek 1/4 of the voters seem to just vote because "oh there is a vote, better quickly put one in, what are the questions? oh yeah sur i will jsut say yes, seems what others pick too."

this is of course being over dramatic of what probably is goign on but still feels a bit worrysome if stuff just seems to get glossed over, makes me actually wonder how many people have looked at the provision rentry before voting.

>>33951157
tbf, this came up at the last minute and we discussed this a ton last time.

>>33951478
while abstainign is not an option this time, you DO have the option to not vote for it at all.

there is a difference.

voting for abstain means you are not particular about the option as it stands and would rather have the subject pushed back and talked about more

while not voting for it at all is actually if you do not care and thus do not want to have an input on the vote.

>>33951569
This had no part in me choosing spot two. I wasn't allowed to vote last time and would have voted for it anyways likely, albeit i would likely still have abstained.

>>33951157
I really didn't pick it randomly!! It is status quo on the map thus i chose option 2.

>>33951744
Nono, i think you are misunderstanding, i am not blamign anyone who chose a certain number of the options available.
While Warsuner jsut seemed to have been squirrelbrained, others genuine did not know that they didn't just had to say yes or no and actually had to choose a specific number for what configuration they want for it based on the picrel if yes.

>>33951967
Well, they can reconsider now if they wish... It's a good reminder meatbro and others did it too./spoiler]

>>33949511
Alright RECOUNT MY VOTE FOR 2 AS NAY.

>>33951967
To be fair... Haven't all of those that did it corrected that already?????? 3 did it thus far and all corrected it.

BUT TO EVERYONE. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE ANY OPTIONS, VOTE NAY!!!!!

>>33952358
people have pointed it out when it happened yes, i just wanted to appeal to people that vote to carefully consider the vote and not just have it be a menial taks they have to quickyl get done

also since maybe to some the abstain/not voting thing might not have been obvious please let me give an example:

lets say a some random vote comes up that needs 50% of approval to get through

if 10 people are eligible to vote, 3 of those vote for yes, 1 votes for no and 6 vote for abstain then the result would be:
30% yes | 10% no | 60% abstain
the vote would not go through and would then need to be reconsidered.

if 10 people are eligible to vote, 3 of those vote for yes, 1 votes for no and then 6 simply do not vote for the option at all, the result would be:
75% yes | 25% | no | no abstain
the vote would go through as enough peopel approve of it that care.

so abstainign is if you do care for the vote but are not satisfied as it stands so far while not voting for it at all is an option for those that do not care for the vote and would be fine either way.
it is a legit option for those that feel they do not want to be involved in a certain vote and rather leave it to thos ethat care.

bois?

bump

bread bump

>>33877365
/morig/ votes
https://rentry.org/morig-vote-ballots

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Fanfics up

>>33877533
>>33877598
>>33878025
>>33919826
>>33941731
>>33942092
>>33942700
>>33943301
>>33952358
UUOOOOHHHHHHH ALICE CHAN ToT

>>33978077
what does this mean

>>33877365
1.) Y, I've discussed possible downsides in the thread. Some of the concerns have been addressed, for some there weren't any ideas on how they could be addressed, but overall the Province system is a major improvement over the current mess with new nation placement. I fully support its implementation.
2.) 4, same as before, if we're going with the provincial system, which seems to be the case. I'd argue that /warkop/ could even be placed using the provincial system as a test of it.

Vote confirmation: https://rentry.org/nasfaqg-ballots

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anyone else here?

>>33985388
yes

>>33985418
hello there. i just wanted to make sure.

>>33985804
hello!

>>33985388
>>33985418
based on the timezone i assume one of you is a cunt

>>33985879
Neither is.

>>33985879
aren't we all?

>>33877365
LazuLight Votes:
>1. Province System: Do you agree on its implementation. Read this to understand more. https://rentry.org/Provinces.. Notice: A vote for this voids By-Law 11 because It would serve no purpose. (Aye/Nay)
Yea, I have talked about this enough. It's a good idea with downside but the downsides aren't as bad as the current system
>2. Place Warkop based on options in Pic. YOU CANNOT ABSTAIN!!!! (Aye/Nay)
Place 2, based on my vote last time and not changing it.

>>33951157
I did take my vote seriously, me shitposting about it not mattering too me and liking the way it looks doesn't mean much. I voted for option 2 because that is what they wanted from my understanding, they were willing to lose land in the future. and I border them.

>>33987859
this was not about people choosing option 2 for the warkop placement at all

>>33987982
Could you explain then, love?

Happy Sunday! Is the /ahoy/rep here? I want to discuss something about our borders. I'll vote shortly

gentlemen?

>>33988150
She will be here shortly!

>>33877365
watamelon votes:
1. Y
2. Option 2, as I voted last time.

>>33988190
Gents? OGswooner how are ya?

>>33988232
Good, thank you.

>>33988150
Hey, how are you and what did you want to ask me?

>>33988358
I just want to know if you are willing to adjust your border with us. i don't have a line or anything, but this is mainly for the future. Had an idea for you that you might find interesting after looking at /vsj+/. If another allow it, what about a giant lake in the center of /ahoy with a river coming out of it.

>>33988447
I am more than willing to talk borders, and that idea. Fascinating. Could be a massive Pirate Bay or something unique! Maybe I get the lovely adorável to do it for me.

>>33988033

some people simply said "yes" for the /warkop/, not choose an option of how at all and dragonsis even voted based on a diceroll first basicly before she changed it. i simply felt that people should not vote because they feel it is a menial task that they need to get done with to be over with it quickly but to consider the votes and if there is something they don't care for than they should consider simply not voting for it at all and let it be decided by those that care.

this is not about /warkop/ itself but rather how people seem to treat the voting.

let's go to the extreme and say we would have a vote to completly and utterly change the map that would change everything.

now we have 10 people for that vote eligible, of those 10 people 2 really want to change it because they prefer the new setup but 4 people really would rather not because it would remove months of detailed lore they set up based on the current map and then 4 people that think "well i barely got lore set up yet and what i have i can just copy paste over with basicly no changes."

then the 2 that want to change vote first and the 4 that don't actually care simpyl also go yes because it matters not to them and they jsut saw the other 2 before them say yes so they also go yes to be done with voting.

Would that really be a good basis to then go through with that decision when actually more people would rather not?

>>33988603
It's good logical and this explaination needs to be understood. You don't have to vote for all options, it's like when you vote IRL, you can leave a blank ballot. We ought to have a conversation about that in particular honestly.

But those that said yes, I think as from WARsuner voted last time right and corrected their mistake. Likely just simple mistakes we all make, but they all did fix it. Multiple Options votes seem to have issues like this, and it probably is because the way the vote is said. Instead of just saying (Aye/Nay/Abstain) it should be (Aye/Nay/Abstain) and Choose of the following Options (1, 2, 3, 4.)

I owe you an apology give how I treated you. In retrospect, it was my own lack of understand that caused me to say what I said and I hope you would forgive this hot head for jumping into a converstion I didn't belong in. My opinion of you is not negative at all, heat of the moment may have made it seem that way, but its not true. I hope you are feeling better as well.

>>33988447
>>33988516
she knows i can't refuse a request kek. is this the border you wanted bro?

>>33989256
Yeah! Basically, I just wanted to straigten it out like that. If we put it on a not scaled map, That is what I would like to vote on, perhaps with changes in the north too depending how you want it.

That lake is amazing btw, no canals either because of the mountains, nice work, wouldn't mind you doing my own map again one day.

>>33989391
i need to compare my actual map to the big one but i would be more than happy to do yours too. did the border moved north along the east coast a bit?

>>33989256
Adorável, my hero! It looks great. I agree to the borders too.

>>33989486
Yeah, just a little bit. Let's see what you do first.

>>33989137
it is fine, something about my initial wording seems to have been wrong as others also thought i was saying soemthing alogn the line of what you thought yesterday.

i also understand that some like warsuner simply made a mistake, but with a big change like the province system being voted on right now which we won't be able to reverse that easily once it is voted in and in active use, i jsut wanted this out since it seemed like some voted more because they felt the need to get it done with rather than actually caring for it, and i even if it is something i am in favour of, i rather not have something voted in that in reality might actually be detrimental to the majority it could affect.

as someone eligible to vote this conversation affects you just as much so of course you are free to give your opinion on it. i am not trying to make myself "holier than thou" or try to undermine anyone in their voting. if everyone votes with good conscience about their votes then there is no issue at all. not everyone needs to make a paragraph explaining their vote. and the fact you might have gotten a bit heated about the misudnerstanding just proves to me that you did in fact vote with good conscience so i will not look down on that.

>>33989580
I never assumed so! Wrong wording happens to all of us, and I understand given you are an ESL. That's why conversations about things are nice to clear it up!

No i meant above the whole drama between us before. As for the province system, I think that many of use, even if we have been banned like I have, should understand it for now.

The shame is that there wasn't much of a discussion on this recently, but I do recall there being a lot of talk about it in the past. Let's just hope that everyone voted after thinking it over.

sapling story will be out today. Thought while everyone does does boat stuff i mind as well skip ahead to when I will be actually landing to do sapling things.

>>33989560
>>33989517
how does this look? we can put it up for vote next week.

>>33989771
And these are the old borders.

>>33989771
should have used this.

>>33989689
I am not sure what drama was between us in regards to voting or the province system?i feel i might be missing some context. If i upset you about any of that in the past please let me know so i can understand and properly get this out of the world between us.

And ultimately this for vote.

>>33989979
it was the shit that made you leave the discord.

>>33989981
Love it.

Thats right, i need to propose the land I want trimmed from my nation. Would like to lose a good bit of the interior for maybe that peninsula in hirys currently.

>>33877365
/wah/ votes:
1. Y. See no reason to drag this out since I support it.
2. Option 2, as voted last time by me.

I am feeling better and thought it all over. Eventually maybe next month I will start my lore again. Sort of saw what is going on in Risu and it encouraged me.

bump

Voting will end today at 1830hrs EST.

>>33991753
Furthermore, /yeah/'s tripcode isn't in the Doc but I verified it because of past posts as early as August 31st.

I finally know the one last thing i need before finishing the sapling story. Most of it is done I just need to know what the ports and facilities look like. HOOMAN I NEED YOU can i have some details?

>>33991864
yeah?

>>33991864
Just to confirm is it in /uuu/ or /who/?

>>33991864
>>33991925
>>33991937

I meant more like will it be bunkers? Lots of beds? Will there be other shit? Storage? What exactly does "facilities" imply? Will it be some giant ass camp or just tents? I know its like RIGHT on the border.

>>33991925
>>33991937
yeah...the questions over >>33992029
and also how involved will you be getting? I know you lot are not gonna want risuners to do any sneaky suspicious bullshit that you would call a threat after all.

>>33991983
Ah right. It's a decently sized port. Probably a regional capital as well. Expect the docks to be fairly large and numerous. Warehouse would be present but don't expect there to be too many of them. Most of its economic activity other than trade with the saplings is fishing and maybe whaling(not sure whether whales similar to real life ones would be around the opening of a gulf like there).

Buildings would be in a mix of bricks and cement supplemented with sand and limestone, reinforced with metal. There will be campuses and libraries like in almost every city. There will be some pretty heavy coastal defense around the port since it's the opening of the gulf and thus an important choke point that works with the islands north of the peninsula.

Rep if I'm missing anything or you have any other opinion do tell.

>>33992323
That seems fine, I was thinking of the facilities being a big warehouse modified into some offices and with bedding in them for the meantime

Well I assume that beds will be in plentiful supply at least. Hopefully hoomans wont be annoyed by the constant SEX that would happen as risuners be doing what they do

>>33992473
Yeah depedning on their (and the city's) needs that might be the solution.

What are you up to?

>>33992647
work soon. Sapling story today when i get back.

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>>33877267
https://rentry.org/Drakenland-Army
Put under haha

https://www.alexchiu.com/eternallife/gorgeouspil.htm
http://www.alexchiu.com/gorgeous/

>>33995667
what in the fuck?

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bum

>>33877365
1. NAAA, the side effects of it aren't taken into account in nearly as much depth as they should've been and it has too many issues for it to be implemented in its current state. Alot of the votes for it are made by nations that are affected the least and many of the ideas don't consider how the most affected nations would deal with it, it took me bringing up the specific issues that I found with it for them to be discussed at all which really should have been done regardless by many of the people voting yes and this kind of shows in the general response to those issues being, "well yeah but still" and "we already have that issue". There's also the lack of acknowledgement as to why nuefag made the map how it is in the first place, which was so that we could start writing lore with a location in mind without relying on future reps which this essentially brings us right back to, it also seems unlikely that we'll get an influx of dedicated writers considering we've already agreed to not going around other threads to get people to join. I don't really see how this is an improvement, it just seems like an equal proposal with just as many problems, nanora.
2. Nay, also isn't this the same as Abstain? I don't see why this is cannot abstain and the other isn't since one is of way more consequence nora.

Tourist bump just to ask that /tsunX/ doesn't lose the big mountain range it currently has because of that province vote you guys have going on. The lorepost calls us an Ice Kingdom but /tsunX/ is in the tropics so we need some kind of snow and ice.

>>34006361
I think the Nuefag map's goal, most of all, was to place the nations. So people could start doing, well, anything. I think you can write about unrepped nations under the province system, as long as you're not chaining them down in too constraining a joint lore. Taking the example of Matsurisu, I think when it does get placed, it's very likely it would end up somewhere next to Luna, as that's culturally a pretty logical place for it, but even if it's not a direct neighbour, you could feasibly have your history of warfare or diplomatic tension.
>>34007811
Since /tsunX/ has a rep, it won't be affected by the province vote. At least, it shouldn't be, and if it is, that should be corrected.

>>34006361
Can you please make a voting rentry?

>>34008551
Oh great, I didn't realize there was a rep my bad. My fears about losing our cool mountains have been assuaged.

>>34008982
You do, he's great! Here's some of your kino lore.
https://rentry.org/invisiblekingdomoftsunderia

>>34009081
Yea I thought that lore was great and it sparked a little bit more interest in /vtwbg/ from /tsunX/ too, me included.

>>34008551
I understand all of that, I just don't see why the province proposal is nessecary and why its being implemented so quickly, nanora. The whole push for it doesn't feel like it's being done properly or in the way it should. I think it would help new reps alot less than what we have now and that the majority of issues that its meant to deal with just aren't really major issues currently.
>>34008802
A what nanora?

>>34009530
https://rentry.org/ap-global-vote
Basically something like this, to ensure you are the real deal.

>>34009530
I feel like saying it's being implemented quickly is inaccurate to say the least, it's been up for discussion for more than two weeks based on the rentry, and it was already being discussed for some time before that was published.
As for the issues it solves, the province system was a direct result of the experience of adding /MANS/ and the ID3 nations to the map, which was all suboptimal to say the least. The province system would have made those processes a lot smoother. The current system is pretty good threads that are already on the map, but it causes issues if the nations are new generals.

>>34009590
Is there anything that's actually verifying me nanora? I'm not sure I get it.
https://rentry.org/Lunaito_vote
>>34009882
The problem is that the major problems of the province system haven't had nearly as much discussion as they should have for it to actually make it to a vote, it feels more like they were acknowledged and then just hand waved more than waiting until these have been buffed out to put it up to a vote.

>>34011177
I don't think concerns were handwaved, they are analyzed in full at the end of the Province rentry. I think they're just considered to be acceptable compromises. Do you have any other specific worries if the proposal is voted in? Maybe they can be addressed somehow.
Also, with the voting rentry, this way in the next vote we'll know for sure that it's the same anon making the vote (since you'll edit the same rentry to add the new votes).

>>34011982
I don't see why there's a need for acceptable compromises when we could work for a fix instead because of course those are going to be acceptable compromises when you're not a nation directly affected by it, nora. If this is an active collaborative proposal then shouldn't those be looked at as things that we're working on instead of things we'll just have to accept?

uuooohh Im gonna cum on Lunaito's shota chest!

>>34013020
What amendments would you suggest? I think it's probably a bit late for this voting round, but we could vote on amendments to the system in the next voting round.

>>34013297
I can't really suggest a way to fix something I don't agree should be implemented in the first place since the immediate answer to how to fix it is not to use it at all. I also don't think I should be the only one concerned with it though, nanora, if its something that can be acknowledged as a problem than it should be something that's discussed by everyone in support of it to fix.

>>34014643
I think the other reps involved in this discussion find those concerns to be sufficiently addressed by the proposal, that is why they're voting for it. If you disagree with them you can bring up those concerns again and suggest changes that would properly address them in your view.

>>33877365
/wg/
https://rentry.org/wgballot
1. No. I've had cold feet about this proposal for a while now, but I couldn't really articulate why until I saw lunaito's posts on the problems he had with it. He put it better than I ever could, but I think this is a step in the wrong direction and will make the world feel less alive overall. If we agree to be more willing to make room for new nations and put standards in place for how it should be done, then I don't think there's a need to nuke absentee threads from the map.
2. 4, same reasoning as last time. Niji seems compacted as-is and although /warkop/ says they're willing to give up territory, it seems simpler to me to just not give them that territory in the first place so they don't end up building immutable lore on it months from now and then find themselves in a difficult position later when the space is needed.

>>34017380
>If we agree to be more willing to make room for new nations
Do you know how this could be accomplished? I feel like the province system is the most workable way to do this. Having to come up with space whenever a new nation joins clearly causes problems, imo.

>>34017801
One thing the province proposal really drives home is giving the impression of a fresh slate in which there aren't any standing claims to the newly unoccupied land. One of the big problems with the previous round of adding nations to the map was that some posters felt that the old countries were getting unfairly shattered in the process. I think if we found a middle ground where people were more open to ceding territory to new nations without us having to completely remove the placement of old nations, then that would be the best way to go about it. To do so, we would probably need some regulations in place for how to handle things: can new nations be placed anywhere at their discretion or only with relevant neighbors, what percentage of an unrepped country can be given to new ones and how many nations can take land from a single country, should unrepped countries be allowed to be swapped around to accommodate new ones? Stuff like that. The old process of adding new nations could be made less painful if there were more formal rules in place for it, but I don't think provincing is the way to do it.

>>34015246
I don't think the other reps really did consider the impact of this since alot of them aren't impacted by it at all, nanora.

>>34019008
For the record, I voted for this not because there is no downside, but rather because the former option was in my opinion a far worse method given the amount of fighting that went on over placing nations on the map.

>>33877365
vrt changes the stand on province system
1. abstain

i personally still think that it is a better solution overall but i am also not willing to push a yes yet if some of the nations that are more strongly affected by this new system still feel at unease about it like lunaito. i know this could have been discussed long before but as has happened before, some people only truly feel the pinch once the time comes.

i personally would appeal to the nations that would be unaffected or barely affected by this to also change to abstain to at least give this one last week to be properly discussed and if it coems to nothing again then next week would be the deciding vote with no abstains.

>>33877365
Lazulight changes one to abstain.

>>34019289
Agreed for the same reason honestly. I don't have much to repeat.

>>33877365
Upon further review, I agree. Abstain for option one.

>>34018519
This seems possible, but complicated, that's a lot of points to address, and I think more would come up as it was elaborated on, each with arbitrary variables. And then there's the question of whether formalizing the process further would make it smoother. The provinces have the pro of being straightforward to implement and understand (now that the map is done, at least), and of removing the messy "re-drawing borders" step of the process.
Perhaps some kind of hybrid system would be best?
Idea:
The Province system is adopted, but nations that are already on the map retain their territory with the best approximation allowed by the provinces. Larger nations are potentially reduced in size (as /hlgg/ was). And a bunch of measures regulating the distribution of provinces to new nations are implemented? Though this doesn't really address the other thing the Province system is doing, which is allow old nations to place themselves where they want on the map. Would this still be left as an option?

Also, not blaming you Lunaito, but this conversation really had to begin one hour before the end of the vote? Check the thread saturday morning or something onegai kek. Now the reps don't really have much time to reconsider their vote if they want to.

>>34019725
We could discuss this next week, and I support the concept you have put forward.

>>33877365
alright, i am changing my own vote for the reasons outlined. if nothing else, i support what anon and nijisanji males said about next week.
/2434/ changes their first vote to abstain.

also a reminder this vote ends at 1830hrs EST. 50 minutes.

>>34019725
while some have an inclination to incur schizos, i have a tendency to arouse chaos, nanora. was on thread vacation nora

>>33877365
Thank you Lunaito for your concerns. I will vote Abstain for vote one, if for no other reason that to show that I want some changes or modifications....

>>34019969
Honorary member.

voteanon, extend the vote by a day.

>>34020163
>https://rentry.org/vtwbg-bylaws
Article 3, Section 3
>Voting should be initiated on either Friday or Saturday and left to run for 48 hours before ballot counting and result presentation

I cannot.

>>34017380
Anon, could you elaborate on the "Make the world feel less alive" point? Just like, formalize what you mean.
>>34020163
If it passes, we can always have a revote.

>>34006361
>so that we could start writing lore with a location in mind
While it is more or less true, I would say it was more useful back then due to all the zoning timeloops preventing us from starting to write. Nowadays, I would say it is more trouble than it's worth as we have existing lore to work upon.
Personally, my main issue (admittedly a personal one that probably doesn't have much impact on others) is that not all writers are necessarily satisfied with their current position, and the results are similarly unsatisfying:
>They go with their assigned location despite the dissatisfaction. I know some writers actually make good use of that (/rose/ being the most prominent example), but I don't think that should be a justification in favour of this system.
>The ask for a repositioning, which is basically the same for countries not on the map. Considering that the placement of ID3 and /mans/ is what sparked the discussion for the province system, it should be clear that this is far from being satisfying either.
>They change the details of the assigned location to suit their needs. While this satisfied the writers' need to make the countries the way they wish without causing issues that tend to arise in repositioning, it often has the unintended (?) side effect of having to justify changes in climates and biomes that will result in rather patchworked environment for the planet, and is something that bothers me (maybe more than it should, but well).
At least for me, the potential for resolving this issue alone is enough for me to support the proposal even if it's not perfect, or may not be much of an improvement for others.

>>34020298
That's what I was thinking, I still say implent it (I revoted as well) but something needs to be thought of.

>>34019725
>which is allow old nations to place themselves where they want on the map. Would this still be left as an option
Imo, that should be generally discouraged, but ultimately it would be another variable to consider when deciding the overall guidelines. Especially with reps wanting custom climates more and more, it's probably easier to move them than invent justifications for strange weather patterns.
>Perhaps some kind of hybrid system would be best?
Something like that might work, or maybe a system where a province or two are earmarked from every nation as available for future threads. So when someone new comes along, they know where they can grab their land from, but the old nations are still solidly present in the world.
>spoiler
I suppose that's partially my bad, I haven't had as much time to pop in lately as I would like. Though I'm the Writhaven rep, not lunaito.
>>34020298
If you were to look at the map post-provincing, there would be large swaths of unmapped space surrounding nations. This doesn't really fit the era we're in and the general lore we've set up for the globe, but it also explicitly shows a world with less going on. Especially if you are a nation with inactive neighbors, the difference between having nothing around you to work off of and having only a name is substantial. Even while not adding "dubious lore" to unrepped countries, knowing who your neighbors are can be a boon when worldbuilding your own nation, at least for me.

>>34020376
That's what happened last time, though. And the vote was delayed by a week. The proposal isn't perfect. I see some long-term issues that /might/ or /might not/ arise from it. But I also see it as a net-positive and, despite saying "more time/discussion/thoughts are needed", nothing of substance has been raised in this thread outside of the initial Lunaito/anonymous feedback. If you come up with an idea to make it better, sure. Share it, discuss it, and then vote to amend the Province proposal.

But I believe it's already good to go into effect, especially since any doubts I'd have are more on the long-term side.

>>34020646
Never said I was delaying it, said that it needs to be thought of like whatever is thought of.

>>34019969
bratty sugar shota, needs rape correction...
>>34020625
>If you were to look at the map post-provincing, there would be large swaths of unmapped space surrounding nations. This doesn't really fit the era we're in and the general lore we've set up for the globe, but it also explicitly shows a world with less going on. Especially if you are a nation with inactive neighbors, the difference between having nothing around you to work off of and having only a name is substantial. Even while not adding "dubious lore" to unrepped countries, knowing who your neighbors are can be a boon when worldbuilding your own nation, at least for me.
Hmm I really get what you mean, but then we have the issue of nations potentially wanting to have another location. And I also agree with /meat/bro about the climate patchwork not being great for the world's internal consistency. It feels like forcing new reps for old nations to accept a location and climate is incompatible with respecting their wishes. I'm not sure how exactly this could be fixed, those two elements seem to pull in opposite direction. Oh, and I was referring to Lunaito (whom I still love and appreciate) in the spoiler, since you are reacting to his post.

>>34020837
That's what I thought the last time it happened, but I had no useful ideas on how to solve some of the remaining, standing issues. My point is, rather than saying "it needs to be thought of", do the thinking and see if there's anything that can be done.

In my assessment, not without painfully changing how a lot of other things work or adding extra levels of gamification, which is just not necessary.

I HAVE RETURNED GENTLEMEN! Already voted so aint gotta worry about that so how are people? Am I needed for anything?

>>34020910
I don't really think there is a way to fix that issue. The closest I can think of is to say countries with neither lore nor rep can be moved around freely, which is kind of what is implied as-is but doesn't seem to be used at all (perhaps understandably so, since I assume most new writers won't want to rock the boat the moment they come on board).

>>33877365
THE VOTES ARE IN AND WE CAN DECLARE THAT.
>Province System passes 15 to 9
>Option 2 (Status Quo) is /warkop/s spot.
https://rentry.org/usgxq
details here.

NEXT ON THE MENU
>1.Regent Representative By-Law
>2.Watamelon and Wah border adjustments

>>34021269
I think this is what we get stuck on. Because if you want to write lore that makes use of your neighbours, clearly those neighbours moving thereafter would be a problem.

>>33990014
uhm i have been mulling over this all day and honestly i am not sure how to properly respond to this i am sorry. i don't plan to be an issue however so i will not linger in the thread unnecessary as to cause further trouble.

>>34022401
I think that's just the inherent issue of writing for your neighbours when they aren't really around. I mean, even if they're on the map, it's hard to argue against them when someone from those threads actually come around and want to drop said lore because it doesn't fit their vision.

>panon generation tried to sway the vote to oppose mountain
can't make it up.

>>34022488
Too bad they couldn't earlier. Probably crying...

the disaster of newfags is fully here. look how many voted for option 2 even though all oldfags supported option 4. unbelievable, i believe that i should have a vote as well for my work on chuubanite doc and the rest of the cabal as well.

>>34019725
The hybrid system made me curious about what things might look like if that was done, quickly put picrel for the holocontinent.
No real plan for this, just wondering how to find a solution that works for everyone. I kinda think >>34022401 >>34022473 are the crux of the problem.
>34022678
falseflag

>>34022401
I honestly think that only certain named nations would require a really specific location, I can only think of some artic chuubas and some tropical or ocean based chuubas that would NEED to be in a certain place, nanora. I think we'd be better off just manually placing certain regions with nations that are linked together conceptually with loose borders and having small sections of unclaimed space for new reps.
>>34022488
>>34022557
YOU COWARDS ANTI ME, BE MY SCHIZOS NANORA

>>34022269
Given the chaos that was present in this vote, I would like to propose two additional bills be added for next time.
1. There should be some discussion about formalizing the earlier proposal regarding how far in advance new issues need to be anchored to be voted on. This duration should include a formal discussion period of some minimal length where proponents and opponents of the proposal discuss its pros and cons. Too often these ideas get discussed far too late and this needs to be addressed.
2. Reps should be required to give at least one sentence of explanation for each issue they vote on to ensure that ballots are cast with informed decisions and not on a whim. Ballots that lack sufficient justification (no explanation given, "lol i just picked randomly", "i'll just vote for what those guys picked") would be discounted if the rep cannot supplant their vote with their own reasoning for picking an option. The barrier for what is considered acceptable justification would be fairly low, as this is meant to encourage reps to do their reps when voting rather than to throw out anyone's votes.

>>34023257
I think these are good ideas.

I think alice SUCKS

>>34022865
And yet all existing examples of countries that have changed their environment that I can remember on the top of my head do so for reasons not really related to their vtubers' lore. Unless you're suggesting that people shouldn't change their environment otherwise (which will open another whole canof worms), I don't think that's really a useful precaution when it comes to country placement.

>>34023257
Fair enough for 2, but for 1, the province system has been posted here for weeks before this vote, and yet it doesn't stop us from having in-depth discussion at the last hour either. It's not that I disagree with the idea, but giving it more time alone is apparently not working towards that intention.

>>34024698
All the reps that changed environment are newfags

>>34024698
>And yet all existing examples of countries that have changed their environment that I can remember on the top of my head do so for reasons not really related to their vtubers' lore.
In that case, why don't we just decide to place them ourselves, nanora? I think we can fuse some nations together with similar themes and put them somewhere geographically appropriate instead of leaving the map with massive indescribable sections

>>34025019
We'd just end up with a slightly more nuanced version of nuefags map, to that, there's a lot of vtubers that don't have a particularly well defined "theme" or one that could be well adapted to a climate and geography.
In any case, if the argument is that you want neighbours to write about, we have to keep in mind that loreless nations are already not really touched due to the potential of a newcomer coming in to see that their thread's lore is bound together by people that don't even use their thread, and the potential of "wasted lore" due to it being scrapped by a newcomer thread. If the idea is that we don't want an empty map, by all means it is already empty, most threads don't have lore, it is as if they are not there anyways, and lore remains so until someone from that thread comes to write about it.

>>34025019
Because we won't know what kind of environment, or even what kind of neighbour they would want until they come along? Even if the connection might seem obvious in hindsight, it's hard to predict if the new writer want their countries to have, for example,
>abnormally cold mountain
>alpine highland
>sunny Californian weather (then again, who can resist its allure?)
>warm summer and snowy winter
Ultimately, the issue comes from the fact that we can't predict what future writers might want for their countries, and I consider it against the spirit of collaborative projects to deny them their vision without a good reason, and "filling up the map" isn't a good one to me personally.

>>34025568
>>34025637
Yeah, I'm racking my brain, but I really struggle to find an arrangement that gives current nations the benefit of established neighbours without taking away liberties from potential writers, and vice versa.

>>34025781
Well, the only solution that I can think of, and what has been using, is to just allow them to change their environment as they see fit. It's not a bad compromise as long as you don't mind the patchwork climate that it inevitably leads to (I do, but I reckon I might well be the minority here). Even then, I fear it would still eventually lead up to new writers disagreeing with what current writers established their lore as, and the timeloops that will invariably ensure.

As long as borders are redone to fit natural barriers I guess.

>>34026358
I don't think natural barriers should be the only factor for borders, our world got enough borderspaghetti for lots of other reasons too.

>>34025931
The patchwork climate bothers me a bit too...Ah, I really feel Lunaito's and writhaven rep's points, but it just seems to me the province system solves issues that nailing down the countries in place cannot accommodate, as described in the rentry. And the issues it solves seem more disruptive to the functioning of the project than the ones it creates.

>>34026480
I can see their point too coming from other worldbuilding projects with huge swaths of empty continents, but at the same time I feel the current solution of leaving empty countries around is just begging for future troubles - it might be beneficial to have neighbours to write about, but said neighbours might not always agree to what you write. Until someone smarter than me (admittedly a low bar) come around with a better compromise between these seemingly mutually exclusive aspects, I think we'll just have to decide which one is more important than the others and bite the bullet.

>>34026716
Colonization

>>34025781
what liberties are being taken away? the ability to decide what people from other threads are doing with their lore?

>>34026921
I think you misread my post, or maybe I was unclear. The liberties I'm talking about is the ability for new threads to decide where they are located, and everything that entails (climate, neighbours etc).

Also, outside of politeness, what's really stopping someone from expanding their borders to get themselves more land nanora? At what point does it stop counting as border reformation and start being an invasion? asking because I've been thinking about taking /hlg/ and its ports, unrelated to provinces. Candy Crusade nanora.

>>34027211
Any land changing hands need to be approved OOC by the thread, so if someone wants to landgrab half the Holocontinent, they can put it up to vote and see how that goes.

>>34027211
Think colonization is the best option for us, brother.

>>34027340
Colonizers and Conquistadors, nanora.
We will use the ports to begin the new age of the lunaito navy and look into the possibility of armored ships, nora. We will use Foreignaito knowledge and traditional strategy to construct powerful graham cracker fortresses the likes of which will make our enemies tremble! Followers of Pink Womanism, the 4th Generation Sorority, and fellow Monarchies will recieve favorable trade offers in our new border colony!
Of course this is for the future...

>>34027211
The thread
>source
My on-going attempt to take half of /uuu/

>>34027020
i don't mean to reopen old timeloops, but my opinion has been fairly consistent on this matter, and i feel it is worth mentioning. climate is fair, though there is a merit in making do with what you have but being able to decide who neighbors you is not a decision you are at liberty to make, with the only exceptions being special cases where people either wanted to have an island, and were granted that desire by the thread, or had multiple available options to choose from. in other words, it is a privilege to be granted, not a liberty to be infringed on. furthermore, that privilege is granted to the one who was there first. it is revoked every time a new thread is allowed to neighbor them, and since they are already established, it will force them to reestablish themselves in light of the new environment they are set in. as for dealing with climate, i really dislike the idea of changing the climate dramatically enough to cause changes elsewhere, but small changes, or self-correcting changes that could be caused by more region-locked magical effects, are interesting options. if the rest of the thread consent to other, more dramatic changes, then i would be ok with it, too, but that should be more of a last resort when possible. tell me if you have any concerns about my opinions and we'll see if we can't hammer out a compromise.

We have no need to expand. Just defend what we have.

>>34027020
i don't mean to reopen old timeloops, but my opinion has been fairly consistent on this matter, and i feel it is worth mentioning. climate is fair, though there is a merit in making do with what you have but being able to decide who neighbors you is not a decision you are at liberty to make, with the only exceptions being special cases where people either wanted to have an island, and were granted that desire by the thread, or had multiple available options to choose from. in other words, it is a privilege to be granted, not a liberty to be infringed on. furthermore, that privilege is granted to the one who was there first. it is revoked every time a new thread is allowed to neighbor them, and since they are already established, it will force them to reestablish themselves in light of the new environment they are set in.
as for dealing with climate, i really dislike the idea of changing the climate dramatically enough to cause changes elsewhere, but small changes, or self-correcting changes that could be caused by more region-locked magical effects, are interesting options. if the rest of the thread consent to other, more dramatic changes, then i would be ok with it, too, but that should be more of a last resort when possible. tell me if you have any concerns about my opinions and we'll see if we can't hammer out a compromise.

>>34028006
>Error: You must wait longer before deleting this post.

>>34027831
>Love the idea, give me a call. The KAG specializes in this sort of business. The Candy Empire.

>>34028055
I mean... Honestly if it was just my project. I would say whoever joins has to deal with the country, neighbours, and climates they were dealt. But this is a collaborative project, and anons joining the project have had a desire to adjust their position in some manner.
Though to be fair in all those instances it was not a matter of their neighbours, and more about their climates, so my mentioning the neighbour thing might be a moot point.