/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

good, because i like them.

>>33797935
it was a good thing for Yagoo's bank account

Bad
Axel is the only decent one I like his covers, but he should have joined stars JP

>>33797935
They make me happy, so pretty good I'd say

>>33797935
Terrible

>>33797935
>Hololive overall?
Actually yes, but not for HololiveEN

>>33797935
Rather seen the resources spent elsewhere desu

Good for me, bad for (You).

>>33797935
IT WAS GOOD YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME ÁAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>33798334
Nah, they’re good for me too

>>33797935
Bad

>>33797935
Neutral overall. Good for me though, because it drastically lowered how often I visit /vt/ and I've been getting more language reps in because of it

>>33797935
Good at first, seemed like brotubers wanting to do there own thing. Then they got the collab ban shortened and started immediately leeching off of the girls and throwing the Stars ettiquete out the window.

>>33798575
This, they don't even care about their Stars senpais
It's sad

>>33798492
Haha, same. I preemptively quit reading the board for like three weeks back when Tempus was first announced and have been using it a lot less ever since.

>>33797935
Bad. Unnecessary drama and souring the atmosphere all in a failed attempt to cater to the fujo and brotuber crowd in one shot. People are leaving vtubers all together because of this shitshow.

>>33797935
Let's put the result to be objective :
> new audience?
Nope, they have low viewership, outside noir they are at the same level of the JP stars, and their audience is litteraly from the girl.
> Drama?
Tons
> result : failure
> b-but i like them
Don't matter you could have found noir before if you move you ass to watch stream instead of spending your whole day on twitter troons.

My main problem is that their models are shit
Also they seem to be nice people but I don't like collabs and oh boy there are going to be a lot of those in the future

>>33797935
Bad thing

>>33797935
Bad, simple :
>Fans fighting each others
>Fans not happy anymore and became retarded
>A LOT more of newfag Western dramalover in chuuba community
>Chance that EN members fight each others
Idc about EN, i'm more concerned about the fans, the lonely dudes who watch their EN safeplace turn into a Western drama tv show.
I hope everyone will chill a little bit after that shitstorm.

>>33797935
I literally dont give a fuck about HoloEN unity anymore. Some of the girls dont respect me so i dont need to go watch a stream or give a like out of obligation.
>good or bad thing?
I say good because now i have time to watch holoJP and im starting to love Koyori

>>33797935
Vesper & Axel good
Axel is retarded but good
Only thing holding Blue man us his voice
Magni attracts weird people

Good

>>33797935
I like them but they messed up the HoloEN dynamic and now it's like all out war

Good because that Kronii/Vesper stream was one of the best things to air on hololive

>>33797935
Bad? Yes
Worse than Mori? No

>>33797935
Vesper and the boys made me realize how mediocre the women are

>>33798704
>they don't even care for their Stars senpai
the said person above me hasn't watched their streams

>>33803621
Facts. Literally one of the most entertaining streams from EN this year.

>>33797935
good for Hololive, bad for Hololive EN.

Their creation was fine, their handling after the creation has been awful. During the first few weeks when they were under the collab ban they were gaining popularity because people saw them as underdogs and made memes around them, and they absolutely would have been better off if that continued to be the case. Instead they became pawns in a culture war and started gathering antis that they should have business with. Anyone thinking they're benefiting from this spam of co-ed collabs is out of their mind.

Worst thing to happen to Hololive
since permissions autism

>>33798575
Yeah Mori invited them to collab the second collab ban ended totally their fault.

>>33798704
False flagging retard, they have more collabs with starsjp then they do with hololive.

>>33797935
Holostars EN is one of the vtuber groups of all time.

>>33797935
Way too early still.

>>33797935
It shouldn't have even been proposed as an idea.
Overrall a failure and all the toxicity and retarded homobeggars they bring wasn't even worth it in the first place.

>>33797935
>male collabs
>low numbers
>mediocre twitch tier content overall
The only good thing was seeing them mog illuna for a few weeks despite dogshit models

>>33809374
>they cannot say no
“““Bro”””tubers.

>>33797935
Bad. Three out of the four are talentless and wholly uninteresting, and they've brought nothing but drama and fracturing to the community. It almost feels like Omegadeeznuts thought an all girls streaming group was "problematic" so he tried shoving in ENStars to "fix" it.

>>33798045
I can agree with that. Axel is the only one that doesn't set off my "scumbag" radar, he seems like a genuinely good guy who's actually interested in being a good vtuber.

>>33797935
Before Tempus I support HoloEN as a whole.
After Tempus I noped the fuck out and only support my oshi.
It opened the floodgate for angry western culture warriors and now we have divided community constantly fighting for their ideal.
Exactly the same feeling of SJW elements being forced in to comics and games.

>>33799985
I've met people like Vesper before, he's 100% a drama queen who will do something fucking retarded before too long.

Yeah. They're good separately, even better together, and them collabing with the female talents has made all the right people lose their minds.

>>33809861
He's a very weird combination of literally autistic and normie. I like him though.

>>33797935
I can't speak for overall but Its been good for me.

Bad. They invited in the extreme collab beggars that now infect every single chat and the girls that spam collabs with them give off the idea that all of the ENs wanna do that which isn't true. It was not like this when it was the JP stars only. It was a fucking mistake to make EN stars. The general EN community feels very divided and the fact that EN management supports all the retarded shit is just the cherry on top.

>>33810082
I know they're real, but I never see collab beggars. Where do you find them?

>>33799383
This, it's also why Omega is pushing for Collabs with Hololive in a desperate attempt to boost their numbers, not realizing that it'll just drag down Hololive numbers because they're pissing off that base.

>>33810197
Not him, but they usually send Supachats to force the girls to comment.
That's how the shitshow with Kronii started.

>>33810340
At least some of those have to be trolls and falseflaggers

>>33810197
Have you been on hiatus for more than 2 months now?
There have been tons of dramas started by beggar SC

>>33799383
Only Axel is all that low, Regis and magni mog most of the stars.

>>33810082
EN management said "We support our talents freedom to manage their own brands."
Thats not supporting the retarded shit, thats refusing to actually help any of their talents with chat harassment, perfectly on brand for cover.

>>33810442
My oshi hasn't gotten any, and I haven't seen an SC stream from anyone else who did.

>>33810442
Kronii got shit from unicorns too anon, don't even pretend she didn't, shitposting was all over her last campfire stream.

>>33798575
>Then they got the collab ban shortened and started immediately leeching off of the girls
they were literally banned from refusing collab invites from the girls and weren't allowed to initiate on top of that.

>>33810197
Kiara has been hit by beggar SCs 3 times. Irys got hit by a beggar SC just yesterday.

>>33810842
so we're talking literal case study numbers? I know any amount of begging is ridiculous but come on, it's hardly a "wave"

>>33810842
Fauna got hit at least twice.

>>33810842
Don’t forget that these mentioned cases are where the holo responded. There are likely dozens more beggar SCs on them as well as on other holoENs that have either been ignored or are waiting for a response.

A couple of faggots flushing their money away does not make a "wave"

>>33799383
> they are at the same level of the JP stars
Factually wrong, all of Tempus perform much higher than their stars counterparts. When Altare and Axel stream near prime time EU/NA they are hitting 2-3k views on solo streams while Magni and Noir constantly punch at at 5k+ range. Most of JP are 3views with the exception of stronger Stars like Astel and Roberu who hit 1.5k~2.5k range.

>>33797935
Bad

>>33797935
Good, overall.

>>33810842
Is that the IRyS one? Because the IRyS one was hit by one of her own 6 month members.

>>33810916
>>33811149

>>33811616
So now the public existence of unicorn haters is proof that they're the real problem?

>>33797935
Good for small corpos.
Bad for Hololive and their fans.

>>33797935
Incredibly bad because it shows there's no unity in Holo EN

>>33797935
It made me stop watching Hololive altogether.

He warned us, but we didn't listen...
>I'm here to remind you that Westerners don't care about the stars, or your oshi. They don't actually want to watch them, listen to them, or care about their growth. They hate your JP chuuba, they hate your oshi, they hate idols and want them destroyed (while conflating idolfags with gachifags at that), and merely use them as a platform, tool, or for social grandstanding for the sake of social grandstanding. They WILL try to fuck your oshi if Covers recent talent scouts screening ability is anything to go by, and anyone pretending someone like that doesn't exist or is unlikely to apply hasn't spent one day on the internet. I sincerely feel bad for any EN star who just wants to stream have fun sing and generally entertain people without worrying about collab begging, leeching accusations, genmates being sexpests, hate for no reason, people using you as a reason to preach to others about things you don't care about, people trying to give you hand outs as you try your best to improve by your own efforts, people who'll scold you for not collabing with the girls, people who'll scold you for collabing with the girls, people who'll scold you if you don't grandstand like they do, and people who you don't want to have to tell to fuck off with shipping, either mxm or mxf. If you're reading this and you did get in, do yourself a favor and put your foot down HARD from day one and make an example out of these types, or damn all future gens as well as yourself to a fiery, hellish, self-sanctimonious death.
I'll be adding to this collage (a twitter only collage, imagine if I had gone through reddit too) as much as I can, until I see them debut. Wish me luck.

>t. Raging, raging Homofag

>Yes, I am schizo.

>>33797935

They unironically ruined all of vtubing for me. All of Holoen is just tainted now. It just isn't for people like me anymore, I suppose.

What is worse is there will be more male gens, which just continue it all. All good things come to an end I suppose.

>>33812252
The only ones who want to destroy idol culture are the ones who have been pilled on reducing it to black companies and toxic expectations. If unicorns and gachis would btfo, most of them would be cool.

>>33812252

>>33812484
I read it, and this was the correct move. I should have known better.

>>33812375
>Unity is dead
>They didn't keep it rare enough and have to specify collab is cross gender or not
>Hololive members having different ideals stray apart from each other
It's bad for those fans before Tempus
The new fans who joined after Tempus don't care at all.

>>33811174
True but your numbers are kinda off. Look at it again. Noir gets around 4k if lucky, Magni gets around 3k and can fall (like this very stream) to 2.5k.The other two are already dwelling in the 1.5k range and if the stream timing is bad fall into 3view land.

>>33797935
I like them, but the process of them becoming a "normal thing" in the holo fanbase has been a pain in the ass.

>>33812252
You have no understanding of what an idol actually is. To you it’s just some fap material.
Idols are attacked and destroyed by antis.
Unicorns will eventually become antis, so it is better to root them out as soon as possible before too many get attached like the bloodsucking leeches they are. Unicorns are losers and mocked in Japan. Unicorns are losers no matter where they come from.
That is all

>>33812842
It should have happened a long time ago, but I guess these things take time, and some certainty that the fanbase can survive the process.

>>33812996
Just saying the vtubing agency you're looking for already exists and it's Nijisanji

Good because it exposes all the whores for who they really are. I'm lookin at you, fat Mori, smelly tattooed Ame, gook Kronii, chink Bae and half the ID members.

>>33812874
>Most loyal fans
>Biggest spenders on their oshi
>Such a yesmen they let them get away with not doing shit in most cases and have a very comfortable life
>The only reason the idol industry got to the place it is now
Normalfag:
>"better to root them out as soon as possible before too many get attached like the bloodsucking leeches they are"
Kill yourself.

>>33813093
Unicorns are not big spenders
Gachikois, yes. unicorns, no.
And yes, there is a difference.

>>33812842
Because they were and never will be a "normal" thing. They're a forced push thing to copy (badly) Nijisanji, to appeal to normalfags that never even watched Hololive streams in the first place but can't allow not being pandered in something, and for omegay to get inclusivity brownie points.

>>33813063
I've got no interest in nijisanji. I'm a holobrony through and through, I just think the company needs to stop humoring unicorns to the degree it has.

>>33813216
Unicorn is such a meaningless inaccurate word you might as well calling antis unicorn.

>>33813316
>Want Hololive to become Nijisanji
>Not interested in Nijisanji
What's your problem?
Why try to change something when there is one meeting your criteria?

>>33813340
The two are far from mutually exclusive.

>>33813387
It doesn't meet my criteria though. Hololive does in all ways, except that some fans glass a chuuba who wants to stream with boys.

>>33813093
also
>most “loyal” fans
>all it takes to piss them off, lose their loyalty, and turn them into antis and schizos is displease them, despite them barely making up any significant percentage of the paying fanbase to even warrant this level of control-freak assmad attitude

>>33813489
You really should watch Nijisanji if all you want is cross gender collab

>>33813597
That isn't all I want. I like hololive.

>>33813970
>I want hololive to have males and cross-gender collabs.
>”Why not try Niji-“ No.
least based holochad

>>33812252
Good. Expose the fuckers

>>33813970
>"I like hololive"
>Probably new fan after Tempus meaning to say Hololive Production

>>33814311
I've been a fan since early 2021.

>>33814113
Exactly. That Kronii and Vesper stream is one of the best holo streams this year

>>33814113
I enjoy Hololive and Holostars
>So maybe you should watch Nijisan-
Sorry I don't trust Chinese black companies

>>33797935
Bad
Unity is dead, beggars on the loose and it's all tempiss fault.
They can reject the collab, they can stay in their lane but nope they choose culture war so fuck them.

>>33815213
No one with a dick would refuse the opportunity to get remotely close to the girls

>>33797935
For hololive i dont know who cares but for holostars definitely good are you kidding me? All 4 have better views than every holostars jp.

>>33798704
is it so hard to watch a fucking stream my god

>>33809780
Anon just because you create drama over them does mean they brought it. You and your other bugs did

>>33815312
Only if you're desperate lmao

>>33797935
Inside Cover, it seems to be great for them. Even if some aren't interested in streaming collabs, Holos from all branches seem to get a long with the boys. /vt/ reading too hard into or mischaracterizing minute actions/inactions/quotes for flame wars aside, that is. It's only really been bad in the corners of the internet that house radicals like /vt/ or twitter. Where the unicorns, who didn't properly swallow their red pills and expected JP idol GFEs from western women, duke it out with anti-idol fags, who think a good solution is to force collabs disregarding the comfort of the talents they ironically want to make comfortable. It will only get better once people realize Cover understands cultural and personal differences and will let their talents do what they themselves want in this regard, but some people either won't let go of their notions about the company or just want to start fires.

>>33816050
Explain why none of them opt-out collabs with the girls

>>33798334
It's great for (You)'s because this board can't shut the fuck up about them.

>>33816123
They're desperate. Can you read?

>>33816494
Your turn.

>>33816123
It would be seen as extremely rude.

>>33816599
There is no "be seen" if no one ever talks about it
>"Collab?"
>"No we want to build our brand"
All can be done behind the scene

>>33797935
The dust has most certainly not settled.

Best case scenario is neutral, worst case scenario is bad. It's neutral if Mori, Ame, Bae and Kronii (and Omegaay) respect Gura, IRyS, Kiara and Fauna enough to stop trying to force this shit to become a regular thing.

Bad if this shit does become a regular thing and Gura, Fauna, Kiara and IRyS begrudgingly accept it.

>>33816123
Why would they opt out of co-ops with the girls in particular? The way you're asking makes it seem like you find opposite gender collabs inherently problematic.

>>33816599
As though it wouldn't be seen as somewhat rude within hololive

It was a garbage idea. EN3 was the right business decision. This reeks of someone with a shitty agenda.

ITT: Holofans embracing male collabs to "own the nijis".

>>33797935
It is killing Hololive, and that is a good thing

>>33816780
>opposite gender collabs inherently problematic
Fact

>>33797935
Gooooooooooooooooood

>>33797935
Good because it exposed how fucking lazy the girls are.
Tempus collabs with themselves every week and in many streams.
Altare alone blows them out of the fucking water. Streamed 40 hours last week while the rest did jack shit.

>>33817347
>Stream more get less
The Kiara of Tempus

>>33799664
That a problem with the fans and its a problem that they've always had.
The fans are a bunch of negative IQ zoomers who only want to watch minecraft and rust.

>>33817236
Tempus don't opt out of opposite gender collabs because they don't share this belief, or anything like it.

It's amazing to be witnessing history. This time period will be where people point to when answering how HoloEN was ruined. Mark my words in one year. Gachis leaving and twitter tourists rushing in. I'm sad to admit it's over. Bravo JPfags. You were right...

>>33817538
Yeah they are ignorant.

>>33817416
Well what do you expect? People dont want to watch video games. Kiara quickly proved that when she did ryza's game, tunic, and tales of SAO.

>>33817236
they're problematic if you're a drooling retard who is afraid of men.

>>33817739
Unless you purge them like communist way of doing thing yes it's problem

>>33817739
>afraid
Same M.O. as “homophobia”, incorrectly attributing disgust with fear.

>>33810197
Kiara has responded like 3 times to them and IRyS finally couldn't avoid one of them yesterday. Those are the ones that got attention, but there has been like 12412124123 sc to IRyS, Fauna, Mumei, Kiara and Gura trying to bait them to give a response, even if their message is clear when they pretend to don't care about their existance. And I'm just talking about sc, now imagine the greyniggers in the normal chat and on twitter. It's a complete cancer

>>33810651
>>33809374
the second collab with Kobo was definitely Regis idea
the first collab with ollie was Magnis idea
same with scarra and daph (both outside Hololive but still as cancerous)

I'd bite.

Tempus has defied expectations and are currently at 4-view territory (though Axel and Altare are barely reaching that). For Holostars, that is extremely good, it means there is still hope for the branch to further incline.

However, it was argued before that the audience attracted by Tempus are part of the audience of the HoloEN girls. So the addition of Tempus may not have injected new blood in the Hololive box. Based on the /numbers/ though, they don't have significant overlap in audience with the girls.

If Twitter is to be observed, many fans of the Holos really like the collabs with Tempus. I assume it's a breath of fresh air when compared to the usual content offered by the girls. So, in terms of new content, the addition of Tempus was good, but it is yet to be seen how long it will be until they run out of ideas.

I'd say the only "bad" thing Tempus brought is the current schism among fans, but overall they seem to be a positive addition for HoloPro. Personally, I'm not really fond of these coed-collabs and I am not particularly enthusiastic with my conclusion but c'est la vie.

now that the dust has settled
we learn that whatever happens
/vt/ will be mad about something

>>33817904
The unicorns aren't self hating Men though, they mostly just seem insecure and emotionally fragile.

>>33818332
Twitter is not very representative of how the entire fanbase feels, a lot of the people commenting on it on Twitter don’t even watch the hololive at all, much less tempus and their collabs

>>33818332
Reddit spacing and using Twitter as indicator
This gotta be a bait pretending to bite a bait

>>33818686
It's not, but it's closer to how most people feel than vt. Drama channels like hero hei and Rev says Desu have audiences that are deeply hostile to Twitter, but every time they cover this, their fans seethe about how disgusting unicorns are.

>>33797935
It was the worst move they could have made. Not because males bad, but because it poisoned the entire Hololive fanbase and the atmosphere around its talents - now there are retards literally begging for cross-gender collabs as often as they can because they want to self-insert as the dudes I guess, retarded girls reading those retarded supachas and giving retarded responses that make people react in retarded ways, and everyone who didn't already turn into a rebranded NijiEN employee is walking on thin ice trying to avoid mentioning them.
Like, holy shit, this really is one big yab away from lierally bringing about Hololive's downfall, or at least the EN branch. Imagine if Kronii decides to graduate for example, the real reason for that will be obvious to anyone who isn't trying to pretend to be innocent in all this and that's going to tear everything apart.

>>33819010
>Management not giving them enough training and expecting professionalism like JP girls
It didn't go well

>>33797935
still waiting for Axel Nodoka or Axel Zeta collabs until I'm ready to judge

>>33819010
>Imagine if something completely insane happened. Everyone would have a big reaction to it.
Kronii's not gonna graduate. The tempest in a teapot will subside, and we'll find something else to lose our minds over.

They're clearly siding with antis.
If even one of them turns out to have been communicating with these fucks they all gotta go.
Graduations, fuck 'em.

>>33819565
Are you saying they've been stirring up all the unicorns and larpers as a publicity stunt? That's actually an entertaining rrat.

>>33819565
I beleeb that rrat

Considering half of them are boring and half of them suck, it was a desperate move from yagoo or a boneheaded and vain move from omegay.

>>33819899
After all this time omega is still a cipher to me. I have no idea who they are, what they want, or what influence they have in hololive.

>>33819999
A faggot and a drain on company resources (at the very least, considering art costs money).

>>33797935
>Was the creation of Holostars EN a good or bad thing for Hololive overall?
If people hadn't kicked up such a fuss it wouldn't have mattered. Now there's normie SJW eyes on us and they destroy everything they touch.

Since Tempus appeared all the EN girls are breaking down or on the cusp of breaking down.

I hate women and I refuse to watch any male chuubas that collab with women.

>>33818751
>"Reddit spacing"
Holy newfag

>>33820487
Reddit sucks but if that really is how they format over there, at least they do something right

>>33797977
First post worst post

>>33820583
They do that because they're forced to paragraph whenever they hit enter or something.
Meanwhile every fucking 15 year old knows how to use reddit more than a word processor these days, and thus call it reddit spacing instead.

>>33819010
It was already poisoned and people were willfully ignoring it. The only thing that Tempus did was bring that poison to light because those people are broken parasocial spergs.

Tempus was a mistake.

>>33819795
I know at least one of them is on a Niji discord specifically dedicated to shitting up /vt/ with Hololive anti shit. The boys are not as unity as you think they are

>>33822751
Imagine Cover finding out, and reducing the only Stars EN gen to just three members.

>>33822751
Which tempus?

>>33823009
The one who appeared in his dreams.

>>33823009
Magni

>>33823009
Blue, if I had to guess

>>33803621
This. Fucking nothing will ever top that.

>>33797935
they are plague

>>33797935
I like them a lot. I was skeptical in the begining and I didn't plan on watching them but I did and now I don't even keep up with any of the girls anymore (busy irl not enough time). But I love these guys a lot, Vesper has become my oshi and the only vtuber I've member'd for. Their collabs are a lot of fun.
Though I don't like the amount of collabs with the girls they have if I'm being honest. Maybe once in a while is ok and I won't protest it but seems like it's a two or 3 times a week thing now. Wish it was less.

>>33825752
vesper has an element of joy that I find pretty rare in vtubing. When he like something, he really fucking likes it and gets so innocently joyous like a kid. It's a characteristic that can be hard to find.

>>33819010
>they want to self-insert as the dudes I guess
my guy can't you at least include the possibility that people just want it for the novelty and the change in atmosphere

Don't get me wrong, I dislike these collabs as well, but lots of people outside this hugbox of ours like them because they're entertaining and new. Except for Gura's quiz game, the girls have done nothing exciting as of late. Tempus brought new ideas, so people naturally want that brought in to the stagnating HoloEN branch.

Honestly all this shit could have been prevented if only the girls were more united and creative, but can I really blame them when they're so far away from each other and are barely supported by EN management?

>>33822751
ogey

>>33797935
Good, more decent clips is good.

>>33797935
good, women aren't funny or interesting.