/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Anon Mori has been dead in the water for a while now. Even her new songs are struggling despite being shilled by a billion dollar company

Courted the unironic weeb fanbase, and they got bored of her

Delete this thread.

>>33743589
>bad at game
>Shrek
>Adam Sandler

EN as a whole is reclining, remove Gura and they are mid low tier at best.

>>33743720
no

You shocked that dramacels and anti-japanese ironic "weebs" aren't going to stick around longterm?

What I don't get is that she was already like this at the height of her popularity. She's done nothing different lately, why is she only reclining now?

>>33743720
Or what? You're going to block OP on twitter?

>>33743674
You know whats funny? The Stars talked about why they have so many likes compared to views and it's EN fans liking their videos to "show support" then fucking off and not actually watching the content. Based on those ratios there Moris twitter fans are doing the exact same thing, spinning by to throw a like and not watching.

It's going to be fascinating to see if Kronii suffers the same fate

It's not just Mori, all of HoloEN is reclining. People are moving and finding better alternatives or just aren't watching vtubers anymore.

>>33743899
I do that, but just because it helps with the algorithm, it's not to make them feel loved or anything. I don't have enough time to watch Aruran's 10 daily streams, so I leave a like on all of them and watch the ones I want the most.

>>33743826
This will be the future of kronii

>>33743988
It's possible but Mori pissed off a lot more people than just her fanbase.

And yet she manages to consistently get on Top views in All-EN

>>33743839
Some people stuck around to hate-watch, some people (myself included) thought she would eventually find her footing and get her shit together, and some people simply had nothing better to do. Things changed, people found better VTubers to watch, and, speaking solely for myself, I realized Mori’s a fraud and lost any remaining interest in her immediately.

>>33743914
I think it's this. Mori just appealed to an audience more likely to move away because they're casual. People might be crusading against gachikoi or unicorns or whatever but they're the ones more likely to stick around long term since they're invested emotionally. I think Kiara knows this and that's why she is against the internal shift.

>>33744052
I'm still baffled at why she picked a fight with black twitter. It's like she forgot that twitter normies are actually way more petty and vindictive than even the worst vtuber schizos, they still retweet her shit telling her she's cringe and needs to be banned to this day.

>>33744257
Doesn't Mori have the highest SC earnings in EN? She might have a small but dedicated fanbase.

>>33743914
It doesn't help that half of them aren't streaming, and when they do, it's usually the laziest, absolute dogshit picks.

I can think of plenty of things I'd like EN to do.
More collabs.
More "game show" collabs, like Big Brain games, or drawing games
Jackbox collabs
More creative streams, hell the skit Kronii just had with Vesper was great
Classic games (that aren't just Nintendo)
Story-based games
Better indie games (there's a ton of good indie games but instead they seem to prefer kusoge)
Anything with good production values that's recent, less than 15 hours long, and entertaining to watch (but permissions don't seem to be working no more)

I would watch a TON more Hololive if they streamed literally any of that stuff. Instead all we seem to get is:
>Minecraft
>Minecraft
>Rust
>Kusoge
>Superchat reading
>50-part JRPG grindfest
>Kusoge
>Minecraft
>Apex
I wanna watch the girls, I really do. But they make it hard.

>>33743589
thats what happens when you keep treating your fans like shit

Jesus Jesus Japanesus

>>33744392
>I'm still baffled at why she picked a fight with black twitter.
That's not what i'm talking about and who cares about those american faggots really.
I meant people who watch Hololive but not Mori and hate the people she tried bringing on, only for said faggot to then go on and slag idol culture, new hololive gens and by extension his co-worker also attacking hololive.
I mean there were JP-watchers who actively ignore EN even existing who were frothing at the mouth all over the board about EN trying to destroy the [real] hololive.

>>33743674
Looks about right. Her vod views haven't changed much and yes i know you are going to point out the live a live and va11-hall-a streams, those are outliers. Looks like more people are just watching vods than live since she streams at dog shit hours for both her jp and en fans since shes busy during JP prime time and sleeping during NA prime time. If you want some solid proof look at her rust with Ina vod. Ina had literally double mori's live viewers, but only has about 30k more vod views. Her music is still getting good views when put up against everyone in holo except suisei. Her last 30 day channel views are still top EN and #3 overall.

meanwhile, in the real world
and that's while she's on an extended break
and her Spotify monthly listeners and song replays are basically in the same place

>>33744547
>I mean there were JP-watchers who actively ignore EN even existing who were frothing at the mouth all over the board about EN trying to destroy the [real] hololive.
This actually happened though. HoloEN is indistinguishable from NijiEN these days, pandering to twitter uses who don't watch streams, going on moral crusades against the "incels", increasingly crude shock content to compensate for being terrible entertainers...

>>33744665
>hasn't streamed this week at all except for a music release

>>33744663
>Her music is still getting good views when put up against everyone in holo except suisei. Her last 30 day channel views are still top EN and #3 overall.
That's all her old shit. Her new stuff is getting mogged by Kiara.

>Oh no, Supermarket Flowers' viewcount isn't as good as Perfect, or Castle on a Hill!

This is literally you. Mori could live well off RIP's viewcount alone.

>>33744695
>HoloEN
some of HoloEN*, dont lump them all together with whori

>>33744778
see >>33744804

>>33744778
Kiara's new song has 400k on YT and 20k on Spotify
Mori's last original has 800k on both

she had a special store opened just for her own, personal merch like a week ago and UMG execs were blown out by the numbers of orders

>>33744778
Anon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEtUyl7Ryu4

>>33743727
rinse and repeat

>>33744804
So you agree that she's washed up?

>>33744927
>Mori's last original has 800k on both
https://youtu.be/8bc1GW-zsPY
???

>>33744778
Because she's been putting out on average 1 song a week this year. There is a limited amount of time in the day and even if all someone listened to was mori songs, they would on average give less views per song because there are so damn many of them. If I wasn't at work I'd add up her music views for songs released this year vs other holos.

>>33744447
nah i'm good, still comfy watching irys and gura, they can do what they're comfortable with

>>33745007
See >>33744940

It's not a new original.

>>33745007
I'm talking about Let's End The World, the not-6-months-old one

>>33744249
everyones a fraud, even before you start counting ovaries, which just makes women double frauds. why the hell where you shocked?

>It actually thinks SUA is new.
KEK.

>>33745062
>Released 20 March
So why are you comparing it to Kiaras song released 4 days ago? For that matter why do you think 737k (Nice rounding to 800k btw) in 6 months compares favorably to 450k in 4 days?

>>33744420
Well, I agree she definitely has whales but we're talking about her CCVs. Maybe they all just listen to her music instead and pop in to SC or something.

>>33745181
because it's the wrong original. LETW is the latest.

>>33744447
You don't watch HoloEN because only one of them streams Minecraft. We just had several collabs yesterday which fit none of the categories you hate. Also what kind of story based game is there that isn't a JRPG? You mean VNs?

>>33745181
>ESL reading comprehension.

there's so many things for normies to do instead of watching her and stop coping with song numbers people just shuffle shit doesn't mean they follow and are invested in all of the artist in their playlist, it is what it is

>>33745227
Looking like Kiaras song will easily pass it at the rate both are gaining views. Mogged

>>33745227
LETW also had the debuff of being already released on SN.

>>33745347
Maybe itll pass Mera Mera too ^^

>>33745275
she holds a steady 400k monthly listeners in Spotify since like last year dude, this "people aren't invest" shit is ultra cope
her merch and concert tickets getting cleaned out in minutes is not "not invested" people either

>>33744447
>Complain about lazy streamers but wanting more collabs
>When being part of a big collab is literally the laziest content possible compared to doing a solo stream
Good news for you anyway, there's the worms collab and the pico park collab this week as well as Amongus next week. I think they're all shit entertainment but maybe you'll enjoy them.

>>33745422
Are views public on other streaming sites? I know Spotify is obviously the most popular, but wondering what those add up too.

>>33745394
Hopefully, you know Mori will be seething about it when it happens

>>33745564
Youtube Music, you can just find them on the topic versions
Apple are cunts

>>33745588
>stuck at 500k since last day
I don't think it will.

>>33745275
>Normalfags don't watch streams but listen to her music
Isn't that a win/win situation? They don't shit up chat but contribute to views and revenue.

>>33743589
>shit on fans repeatedly
>get accolades from twitter and reddit
>yet, the CCV and views mysteriously drop over time

Gee it's almost like this same shit happened to Finana and Nina. People who want to win arguments on twitter/reddit have no obligation to actually follow through on their convictions if they think they've 'won'. The only game being played here is "oppress people who liked hololive for how it is and think it's a bad idea to mess with it." What does that say about the aggressors, really? They're intruders, interlopers, agents with agendas. Not fans. The numbers reflect that.

>>33745709
except she's still getting those views >>33744665

>>33745588
Why would Mori be seething in Kiara finally getting recognition she deserves? DO U is great and I hope more people listen to it. Sparks is better though.

>>33745588
>Mori will be seething
???

>>33745700
A lot of people seem to watch vods compaired to other holomems for some reason.

>>33745757
Yup. Give sparks the 3d MV and it would've been a rocket to the moon.

>>33745739
That's VODcope anon. Live viewers track engagement, not people being corraled into watching a vod for 30 seconds due to algorithm magic.

>>33745767
>most of the deadbeats are actually people who have jobs.
>they of course can't catch her while streaming.
>so they watch VODs
>as a result, >>33744665

>>33745767
Mori has a fucked up streaming schedule for multiple reasons. Other than her frequent travel, she tries to accommodate different timezones. Plus, ENs tend to have higher VOD views than actual CCV because EN caters to not just the C.U.M. zone.

>>33745759
>He doesn't know about honne and tatemae
ngmi

>she's seething deep down

>>33745709
You wrote all that and yet she still gets more vod viewers than majority of hololive. B-b-but muh ccc kys

on the topic of viewcounts, it's kinda hilarious that for all the pushing Cover does for HoloX, 3/5th of the Gen has monthly view lower than FUCKING CHOCO right now

>>33745811
I can't tell if this post is mocking numberfags or if they actually believe this

>>33745256
>You don't watch HoloEN because only one of them streams Minecraft.
Correct, all of them used to do it, now they're playing Rust. Fauna is spamming solo Minecraft streams for some reason.
>We just had several collabs yesterday which fit none of the categories you hate.
Which was fucking great! It was actually what prompted this post, good content like this is so rare, and it feels like it doesn't have to.

>>33746188
Choco's also doing better lately than basically all of HoloEN besides Gura right now too, if you wanna put it like that. It's literally just Rust, she's solid 3-4k range CCV without it.

>>33746188
I don't think Hololive can penetrate the JP market even further since they're the current top dogs and most japs who watches Hololive already have an oshi. It's probably a good idea to expand elsewhere.

>>33746036
>Deep down
>Every single song has a line referring to how much her haters get to her

>>33746361
I'm kinda laffin' now. Tell me how Ouroboros and Scuffed Up Age is "owning the haters"?

>>33746361
Can you name those songs and which lines?

>>33746361
>this guy took that long shitpost seriously

>>33746188
>has monthly view lower than FUCKING CHOCO right now
So does most of EN so be careful where you swing that bro

>>33743674
You actually need to stream in order to incline and Mori is consistently inconsistent. She'll do 7 streams one week, then she can't stream at all the next. Among EN, Ame and Fauna are probably enjoying the best relative growth right now precisely because they're consistent streamers, and we can certainly see those growth patterns with ID and JP.

>>33746487
Game choice is also very important Mori doesn’t give a fuck about numbers she’ll stream a really long rpg or vn and normies don’t stick around for those even though they usually end up being the best streams what a shame.

>>33746188
HoloX is one of the biggest failures in Hololive's history, Laplus is the only good streamer among them but she's a whore.

>>33746741
>HoloX is one of the biggest failures in Hololive's history
https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/ranking/UCIBY1ollUsauvVi4hW4cumw.html

>>33746741
>HoloX is a failure
>Has better numbers than EN in everything
Uhhh? They made Council look like a fucking joke bro. Also Koyori is one of the hardest working members in Hololive and makes the lazy EN branch looks really fucking bad in comparison.

>>33746741
Koyori is a great streamer. What are you talking about? I've seen more of her streams than all of HoloX in the last month.

>>33746890
The only jp since coco to understand the power of being consistent in the morning slot.

>>33746741
>HoloX is one of the biggest failures in Hololive's history
they mog EN in every aspect except subs

>>33743589
Idk why, but everytime Marin and Peco ready to take her #2 spot, their sub get culled. It happened for months

>>33746735
Yeah her voice acting for VA11-HALL-A was great and the TTS for that point part in live a live killed me.

>>33746741
>HoloX is one of the biggest failures in Hololive's history
>Currently better than HoloEN in every metric
Is this an indirect jab at EN? I like it

>>33743839
She received protection from jannies on this board. Therefore the drama didn't get out of hand

>>33747101
You think a few hundred people on this board can do anything?

>>33743914
People don't sub to Mori for her streams they subbed for her music.
If they don't listen to her stuff anymore it's outside of the usual vtuber/HoloEN problem. It's personal

>>33743914
It's Susan's dirty deed. Kiara's poll proved this. All EN chubba fucked by her

>>33743589
All of holoEN is reclining, and it's not because of the homo collabs, though I'm sure they'll play a part in it too. It's because of all the breaks they've taken and the overall lack of streams. Lack of any interesting, original stream ideas too. I think Gura fucking off for months also fucked over the entire branch since she's the reason Myth ever popped off as hard as they did.

>Behind Mumei and Bae: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4upepd3jAU
Nice

Ever since the UMG deal she started doing most of her streams at times that aren't US viewer friendly. I didn't get to watch any of her VA-11 Hall-A streams because they were at 7AM EST and I'm not awake then. It's even worse for other time zones, her streams are practically in the middle of the night for west coast people.

>>33745181
Yet Gura when she released an MV to a 9 month old song at the time is still doing well and has hit 6 million views now. Mori's Unalive released around the same time didn't even do as well. It's sitting at around 1.8m which is more than a 3rd of the views that the Reflect MV got. It's clear that the constant musical outfit has killed her views on her MV and she's just coasting on the views of her earlier successful songs.

>>33746342
for monthly views she's still under everyone in Myth bar Ina

>>33744392
Oh well, you know Mori. Just gonna troll and fuck with people until everyone hates her and all her friends.

>>33744420
Where did most of her SC come from? Global or Jap? I know the chink find her rap cringe

>>33747169
They still listen to her stuff just as much though. There's been 3 diffrent proofs posted in this thread. Youtube views on MVs for songs released months ago don't mean much. The upcoming watamori rap battle song coming in a few days might be a better comparison since that was only ever done at her concert.

>>33747343
Just so you know views on streams are not a good metric. It's like if you judged Asmongolds performance based on his archive views instead of his live views. Streamers have different content than Youtube creators and that's why they get less views on their vods than subscribers while youtube creators who upload typically get more views per video than subscribers unless the channel is in decline

It's not a good metric. You need to use live views to judge current popularity

we had the same thread when Kronii's Mafia cover was mogging Mori's latest release and that ended up getting passed a couple days ago
some songs have good openings but don't stick around, Marine's Unison and Set Sail are great examples

In her biggest time she focused on RM activities and recording which is great eventually but leads to lower content. She started debuting songs on other places then her youtube channel which lowers interest in her youtube channel.

>>33747409
Mostly English speakers in North America.

>>33747493
>It's not a good metric. You need to use live views to judge current popularity
it's Youtube, it's mainly a video hosting platform and as such the VoDs are what matters
everything else is cope, if you feel Twitch approach makes more sense you're free to watch more VShojo

>>33743589
I unironically think that the MV spam for her EP hurted her more than it helped. It was a song like every 2 weeks minimum.

It was just too much. The one song per month strat was just perfect, now people don't perceive her song release as special anymore.

Add to that the fact that she doesn't stream as regularly, so the algorithm won't help her as much. + The fact that nobody cares about a OP RED Cover and a MV of an old song from a past album.
The real number test will be when she'll release her song collab with Watame and the first single of her new album

>>33746955
Not really. There views are about as average as the middest of JPs. Their recent covers that aren't collab ones aren't doing that well.

>>33744837
Cope

>>33747409
Source? She sold out a concert over there.

>>33747409
I see her receive mostly USD, CA and YEN, with some TWD and some PHP thrown in
>chink find her rap cringe
Taiwanese are chinks

>>33747544
So far just seems like she uses that other account for stuff hololive doesn’t have perms for an example would be that she was originally going to stream elden ring on her rm but when hololive got perms she immediately switched it over to holo

>>33747627
>middest of JPs
so top tiers in EN then

>>33747168
Less impact than 5ch for sure, but assuming dramas from this place have no way to reach the audience is wrong

>>33747616
The MV spam was UMG's idea. Same with their meddling in the actual songs made them not as good as a lotnofnhe older stuff. Mori said they are giving her basically full control for the album since she obviously knows what to do to get numbers more than UMG somehow. The MV she is animating herself will probably do good no matter what once people recognize the style.

>>33747563
>it's Youtube
They're streamers. Platform doesn't matter. If they moved to Twitch and their content doesn't change then you shouldn't need to change the metric by which you judge their performance. It's pretty obvious that you don't judge live streams by how many views they get after the fact because they're geared towards live viewership, just like how you wouldn't judge the performance of the Super Bowl based on how many DVDs it sells after it airs.

>>33747168
>You think a few hundred people on this board can do anything?
dude the mori/connor drama only happened because of containment breach from this place.

>>33747893
>Mori said they are giving her basically full control for the album
Thanks god for that. And yeah I knew it was Universal's doing. They made her do a whole lot of dumb shit for that album. It's incredible they saw that Mori's thing was successful but still went: "yeah let us take the lead". And the result was an EP that didn't feel like Mori and the only of her stuff that never reached top 1 on iTunes...

>>33748003
Then you're basically the Nick Wright thumping his statsheet over people who think Michael Jordan is Goat.

>>33748042
And all you got out of it was like a week of drama and it disappeared for everywhere except here and nothing else has happened since. All it did was teach her to ignore that type of shit.

>>33748003
>They're streamers
they're content creators
Marine is more of a clipper than a streamer nowadays
Suisei works on album after album
multiple mid-range talents take extended breaks to work on 3DLives and solo concerts
being a career streamer stopped being a requirement for success as a Holo around Gen 4 debut

>>33748042
the deadbeat being cucked edit artist was from here?

>>33748336
>they're content creators
Their content lives and dies based on how popular they are as a streamer. Marine getting 40k for her streams and also big numbers for her MVs isn't a coincidence. The two are directly linked and popularity as a streamer is the leading metric while views on content uploaded is the lagging metric.

>>33748320
I just wished she became more professional coming out from that bullshit holy fuck

>>33748467
In Mori's case, it's not. It's her music that gets first mention.

>>33747563
They’re steamers you fucking retard. Think a little before you post next time, okay?

>>33748467
Her MV did good because it was mid-high budget animated super coomer MV that got picked up by the algorithm

>>33748499
She did, nothing has been happening for about a year now.

Everything you're alluding to is a breach of rule #1

>>33743674
>her karaoke streams can't break 10k
Damn. She used to get up to 20k for karaokes before the lean yab. That's sad...

>>33746741
anon holoX isn't the gen that has mori ina and co but its not too weird to get confused when there are 40+ girls

>>33748651
someone better tell Marine, who streamed under 7 times a month this year
that's almost 2 streams per week

>>33748711
JP only karaoke at 6am PDT. Not exactly prime time.

>>33748711
>>33748906
that's a rebroadcast you retards

>>33748685
It's not the MV japanese people are just in love with the song to the point where they broadcast it on national radio. Truth is it's just an excellent song.

>>33744132
Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true.

>>33748651
Hololive talents are not just streamers, retard. If you want streamers go watch Niji

>>33748711
That's a rebroadcast. The original got 13k. I'm actually surprised a rebroadcast of a karaoke got almost 10k

>>33748857
I wonder what she's been up too recently.

>>33748959
Its a good song butnthere are way more better songs. If you don't think a mv that has a silhouette of her basically riding a dick wasn't the main reason it got picked up you are crazy.

>>33749078
it was quadruple overlapped and still managed to pass every other stream that was going at the same time

>>33749047
See >>33744665

>Is the one with the big record deal.
>All of her genmates release better songs than her consistently.
She's a novelty. She has to know that right? She's the vtuber who "raps", how crazy is that?! She'd never make it anywhere without that gimmick and that has to eat away at her inside. The job she complains about and doesn't care about the culture around it is the ONLY thing keeping her "rapping" career afloat.

>>33749221
her roommate has only a bit less monthly listeners on Spotify than Suisei
I think she feels okay

>>33749047

>>33749221
End of a life is a good song, as is Red. Excuse My Rudeness, But Could You Please RIP is at 33 million views. Little more then a Novelty at this point.

>>33749397
Wait really? That's suprising.

>>33749163
Oh the MV absolutely helped. But that's like for every high quality budget animation mv she had previously.
The lyrics of the song are inherently sexual you don't need the MV showing her fake cow girl a door to get the vibe.
The proof is that the audio version only is played in supermarkets and doing well on radio even for people that have never seen the MV

>>33749397
Unironically who listens to her music? Who??? I don't know a single human that I can picture being a Calliope Mori music enjoyer.

Mori's reclining but I just managed to get a date with a cute goth girl.

Sorry kiddos, but looks like I'm the one stealing Mori's thunder. Looks like Mori isn't the only one getting boned this weekend.
Looks like dead beats won't be the only ones getting something stabbed in their back.
Looks like Mori isn't the only one that will be reclining on her back.

Nothin personal.

>>33749501

>>33749600
Yeah end of a life and Red are on my playlist. Much more shamefully Huge W is but I'm aware that isn't a """good""" song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuTSmrDwyLw

>>33749397
I got the theory that her roommate channel actually helps her hololive career as Mori because it serves as a feedback loop of two channels bouncing off each other. Just release a song every few months to keep it relevant to the algorithm then go back to Mori. It's not like there are similar artists to get recommend to if not each other.

>>33749600
Vtuber watchers and good chance you dislike her just because you use this board too much. The Dawn Blue incident was enough to prove most dislike her music purely because of shit they heard here and have a warped perception of her now.

>>33749600
Which Mori songs have you actually listened to?

None of the holoENs are really good singers.
IRYS is the only one that could maybe be considered good, but her songs are pretty shit outside that one.

Kiara sometimes has decent choices in music to compensate for her bad singing, but its still not a good song.

I have no holoen songs on my playlist, but I do have a few holojp songs on it.

>>33749501
Yes, because she's still Mori Calliope. If she leaves she'll retain a chunk of it but it will quickly disperse unless she swallows her pride and makes herself a vtubing avatar. Western female weaboo rapping doesn't have the same hit as anime girl rapping

>>33743977
watching a stream or a video for a couple seconds then exiting hurts it in the algorithm because it thinks that the video/stream is shit retard

>>33749883
This there never is a faster 180 than that, and it was really funny too.

>>33749728
Liking a few songs is understandable, she has some good ones here and there, Live Again was a bopper for example.
That said, I don't understand people who are fans of her sound as a whole. It's not a matter of skill, it's just... the very nature of her music. Like, how? How does someone like that? It'd be like if you told me there were fans of Kidz Bop. You'd have to be a fucking psycho.

>>33749926
Anon, he showed you the numbers. She's almost as big as Suisei in her rm

>>33750011
>the very nature of her music
Which is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO1V9fn7zYo Absolute banger

>>33749640
Does she have big milkies?

>>33749883
>and good chance you dislike her just because you use this board too much
I just dislike her rap, it pretends to be tough but also embraces being pure cringe at the same time
The rap she made for KING is so corny it doesn't make me cringe anymore, it just makes me laugh, but I don't listen anime music to laugh at the lyrics

>>33750011
She does a lot of different genres and experiments around I personally think that’s her biggest strength

>>33750054
>still

>>33750134
Well truth be told.
she's probably fat, all her images are filtered to hell
so yes.

>>33750136
That's because you're too in-line with western rap.

Listen to jrap and you'll see where she's coming from

>>33750136
The rap in King was FUN and it reminds me of the Space Jam+King Remix, and I'm sure she had that idea. Those empty bridges needed filling anyway. Unironically try enjoying things without being bound to the zoomer concept of "cringe".

>>33750256
Not even jrap, net-rap specifically

>>33750254
You find her on tinder? 100% fat

>>33750136
She did say that she wants to do more than just rap in her recent stream and seems to be going back to her roots of rock

>>33749923
I think Gura is the best singer but her base is in a folk style rather than pop.

>>33750352
knock off tindr.
if she's too fat i'll go for a bj and failing that i'm ditching her.

>>33750055
white girls rapping about anime

>>33750388
Which is a big plus. Her voice suits rock so much more. She could probally pull iff the rock-rap thing. It's been dead long enough that people might like it.

Now that I think about it more Mori would be perfect for doing rock she even used be a bassist

>>33745422
u understand 400k monthly listeners on spotify is literally pennies right????you also have no idea on the scope of her concert tickets or her merch runs...I get you are trying to defend her but holy shit u need better talking points.

>>33750278
>Those empty bridges needed filling anyway
Why?

>>33750451
LOL i thought you were talking about Mori until this post

>>33750412
>gura folk album
shut up and take my money

>>33750514
Because it's not rock or metal and I only respect guitar breaks.

>>33750512
And yet Suisei can't get at that level

>>33750551
so did deadbeat janny apparently.

but it does take a specific kind of retard to simp for mori when perfection is right next door.

>>33750770
>chicken voice…

>>33750770
>chicken voice
One day those vocal cords will give out and chicken stocks will rise

>>33743674
Mori is just the sort of spiteful bitch to realize that she fucked herself and now is so mad she wants to fuck over as many other holomems as possible. Just look at Amelia's pathetic view counts now. Kronii will follow after the tranny support runs out.

>>33743749
literally me

>>33750944
>next week for sure

>>33750944
>View counts
>Which Mori still leads them all in

>>33750807
>>33750879
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI96hnhcr2E
The chicken voice perfectly accentuates the sexual curves on her body to produce the perfect gap moe of mental retardation and the idealized body. Its like fucking an angel with the mental capacity of an actual retard while it screeches with the sound of a goat in a wood chipper, and nothing makes my cock harder.

>>33751096
I'm happy for you anon.

Mori was the first Vtuber I really recall viewing and I enjoyed her stuff for a while but it got very repetitive for me. She is a good gateway into the ecosystem and I think people go deeper or leave once they reach her. I watch other Chuubas (mostly Tempus) and don't really check out her streams or new music. Still bought and watched the concert tho. It was cool

>did not stream at all this week
>Still gets more views than the rest of the branch.
I would like to recline now

>>33751026
Well yes, trannies are constantly offing themselves so it shouldn't take long for the numbers to drop.

>>33750944
I still don’t get this angle she literally said on stream to not homobeg or bother the other girls about male collabs, do people just not watch streams? Not even clips?

>>33743589
Universal was duped by the big numbers. They aren't going to make a profit at this rate.

>>33743589
Is there a better vtuber agency for her music?

Veibae is the number two Holo EN in terms of CCV

>>33751389
Like some people have been saying. A bunch of dramafags are behind the homobegging.

>>33750944
>>33749427
Mori and Ame are doing pretty well. Can't say the same about Kronii but she took a break so it kinda makes sense

>>33743674
>despite

>>33751422
They did it to themselves by stiffling the genres Mori was in on. There's a stark contrast between the variety of genres between SN and UnAlive

>>33751422
They are actually pretty happy with how much she's making them. Another concert with a bigger venue is already being planned

>>33743589
All the EN girls are reclining, the time where they could pull over 10k streams just by doing whatever is over nowadays you gotta live with buff games, no more instant 1 million in songs or record breaking events...The only one that still holds some resemblance of the glorious days is Gura but she never streams and her fanbase only cares about her so they never give numbers to the other girls

>>33748320
Did you miss the part where everyone stopped watching her

>>33751866
I like council but they killed a ton of momentum due to multiple reasons. I hope EN3 kicks off soon.

>>33751969
>>33749427
Everyone is apparently not a lot of people huh.

>>33751422
you dumb motherfucker she sold out her first sololive, announced an actual umg album there AND is planning a second sololive. this is always the hardest pill for some of you retards to swallow. mori isn't reclining and she's in her prime right now and there's a good chance you're gonna see her in stuff outside of hololive soon

>>33752022
These people live and die by the magic CCV number. Nothing else matters to them. Apparently having a full album and second concert at a larger TBA venue and UMG themselves telling Mori they are very happy with her sales means nothing.

>>33746741
EOP again being fucking retarded, Lui and Koyori alone mog the shit out of EN and not even gonna mention LaPlus

>>33743589
Mori's new MV has been doing shit numbers. And don't give me the bullshit that it's a 6 month old song. Gura released MV for Reflect that was 9 months old and it hit 1 million views in like 26 hours.

>ITT cuckbeats malding hard and typing 50000 word essays cherry picking data because people are correctly pointing out that Kiara is completely mogging her in views this past month
KEK, you love to see it. I'm not even going to bother to respond to any of it and enjoy her slow decline into irrelevancy. Who would have guessed antagonizing every single demographic would backfire in the long term.

>>33752575
IF your going to discredit it being a 6th month old song why are you that comparing the sing released original from the highest subscribed vtuber is fair?

>>33752603
>people are correctly pointing out that Kiara is completely mogging her in views this past month
Uhh, about that...

>>33752575
Wait, Reflect had an MV? Thanks for telling me.

>>33744927
>3 days old
>one month and half old
Kind of a shit comparaison, ain't it ?

>>33751389
She said she wouldn't collab with Tempus unless she had good reason and would give them space but had a collab lined up the day the ban ended and has been jumping in to any collab she can get with them. I dunno how to break it to you anon but Mori is a fucking liar.

>>33752792
Look at Kiara's new single vs her latest cover and single. It ain't looking pretty bro.

>>33752977
>Original vs Cover
>3d MV with Sex vs static lyric MV.

>>33752977
Read your post again and then look at this
>>33749427

>>33753084
I look at this and laugh at Moris recline >>33743674

>>33753084
The fun part is when they realize that the cover is going to explode once OP opens in the states

>>33753194
Anon, CCV and views are the same stat. It's like saying Shaq is bad because he can't shoot the 3

>>33753084
>look at how the algorithm picked up RIP for the Nth time!
Whatever makes you sleep at night bro. We both know that won't keep her channel alive in the long term.

>>33753084
Anon, you can easily check on place like here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAKs8Qnkdk8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opeoy69MTJs
Her new songs barely get views, a good 80% of her VOD growth is repeat views on her old song like EOAL, RIP or collab with bigger people than her like Q or Capsule with Gura or Mori.

>>33753355
>M-Mori is still popular even though nobody watches her shit because some people get directed to her old songs with autoplay
Delicious cope but you'll have to try harder to deflect from Moris recline than that my dear cuckbeat

>>33753415
>with Gura or Mori.
Gura and Suisei. As far as covers goes, same deal, King with Gura, Getcha with Suisei and her old cover of Roki. None of her new stuff is really taking off.

>>33753384
>>33753415
This is coping hard. Views are views are views.

Man the music discussion was nice while it lasted

>>33752713
>But muh dead subs
Can't have it both ways

>>33750122
can't believe it only hit 1M recently. it's one of the best songs from EN imo

>>33753384
>>33753415
Anontachi...
>Kiara is completely mogging her in views this past month
Is factually wrong. I don't care about whatever conditions you're trying to set. You don't need to explain to me how "it doesn't count" or whatever

>>33746487
Can confirm, following content creators is like physics—it’s all about inertia. Getting people to follow you is all about applying force to attract them to you. If you turn off that force field for a week, everyone is going to drift off in other directions as other videos and streams by other creators catch their eye instead.
That’s why youtube has the algorithm in the first place ffs

>>33753654
Such is the fate is arguing with an anti who can't do math. Suprised we got somewhat of a decent convo out of this thread anyway.
>>33753744
Didn't it have to get reuploaded near the start or something?

>>33753767
Point to me where I mentionned Kiara ? For the comparaison to be Kiara, deadlast of holoEN, the recline must be fucking terrible.

>>33747071
I legitimately think both are true. HoloX’s “failure” is just relative to the previous generations because of covid no longer having as much of an effect. They still mog the entirety of EN.

>>33753829
>Already moving goalposts once he gets BTFOd

>>33753829
Anon, the chart is all of EN.

>>33753767
Keep huffing that copium. It's going to surpass "let's end the world" too at the speed it's gaining viewers.

>>33750412
Gura country album when?

>>33754036
Anon, Do U has a 2 day headstart,band it's only managed to get a 270k lead against a six-month old song.

>>33749811
It probably does, but holy shit did it cause me to start not watching her. It’s not like I haven’t seen other face reveals without wanting to, that just turned me off
>but anon, a real fan wouldn’t start getting filtered just from that
That’s exactly what went through my head too. That’s how I decided I wasn’t a real fan.

>>33754330
>Resorts to doxxfaggotry when cornered

>>33754257
NTA, but this is a retarded argument because
>DO U had better views by the end of Day 1 than the current views count of SUA
>LETW have a one month head start on DO U and only 400K ahead, which is a much worse ratio, for a song with fucking Giga working on it.

>>33754443
Were you not around when random face reveal channels and rm channels were getting recommended to people and exposing vtubers without anyone wanting that? I never wanted to know what Mori looked like, it’s not like I had a choice

>>33753823
oh i didn't know that. i probably only heard about the song through the reupload.

Gura is about to release another MV soon for Relect. This time the jazz version. Watch it rocket past Mori's latest MV.

>>33754796
>Immediately changes topic to Gura once he gets BTFO'd
This is why I hate frontrunners.

>>33754330
If you treat her as any other musical artist this is a non-issue. She's probably not allowed to use an avatar as part of the contract.

>>33754796
>My hypothetical scenario is going to beat reality!

also
>Vtuber with the most subs has more views on her MV than to the third most subbed!
Gee whiz

>>33755142
Anon, he's doing the "Le brosnan".

Worry not, this will be their last hurrah.

>>33753530
King and Getcha? The songs that aren’t on her fucking channel?

>>33743589
>Is Mori actually reclining?
no

>>33755021
Where did I get btfo'd? That wasn't me retard. Try again

>>33755304
>MUH DEAD SUBS
Can't have it both ways

>>33746433
Can you grab hold of your own spoon and feed yourself?

>>33757511
You're still a frontrunner

>>33755304
Soon to be fifth most subbed!

>>33757588
So you can’t?

>>33757593
Anon, it's simple. Gura has double her audience. Comparing anyone to Gura is a copout of massive proportions. It's like comparing Nightwing to goddamn Supes.

>>33744735

She streamed on Sept 19th. Monday.

>>33743589
JP actually did their reps and stopped supporting her because of tempus.
They had zero idea about the trash taste/vshojo nepotism collabs, tempus opened the floodgates
Mori will quickly become the lowest CCV EN streamer, even below the males

>>33757880

Funny considering how Nightwing probably sells more comics....

>>33757946
It's already 3 days without her streaming and she's still leading everyone else from EN in view count.

>>33746741
Anon have you seen koyori's numbers?

>>33758023
Which is again apt because Mori leads all of EN in views.

>>33757993
>Hello we're 4chan.

Kek.

>>33753355
Shaq was an absolutely fucking trash player and I'm tried of people reinventing history that he was ever some sort of legendary player

>>33757588
>Makes an assertion
>Doesn't back it up
ogey

>>33743589
My general interest in her completely deflated when she announced her music deal. She's "made it", and now I don't care anymore.

>>33757993
Collab with Watame coming this week

>>33758071
>SHE LEADS EVERYONE
>SHE LEADS EVERYONE
>SHE LEADS EVERYONE
>SHE LEADS EVERYONE
Can you gaslightbeats shut the fuck up already, jesus fucking christ. Nobody believes you. Just fucking shut up already.

>>33758426
Watame also streamed with sana, what's your point

>>33758429
>Totally removes views from statsheet.

Kek he's mad.

>>33758429
You missed >>33749427

>>33758506
https://twitter.com/Holo_Data/status/1572413985668104194
Where?

>>33743589
I genuinely start to feel bad for Mori. She got so much shit for the fucking lean shit when it was just a bad joke while Kronii did way fucking worse and everyone is sucking her tranny dick.
On top of being a lazy bitch she literally lied to her fans multiple times.
But then I remember she's behind all this shit and say that she unironically deserves it.

>>33757993
>JP actually did their reps and stopped supporting her because of tempus
Lol no.

>>33758733
>But then I remember she's behind all this shit
That is pure cope from Kronies.

>>33758669
>Stream views only

>>33758893
I think this whole thread is pure Kronie delfection.

>>33758506
>>33758903
>>33758591
>SHE STILL GETS VIEWS BECAUSE YOUTUBE STILL AUTOPLAYS RIP AND RED
Is this really the hill you retards want to die on? We both know how this will end in the long term once youtube stops autoplaying those songs. You know this is copium in the back of your head.

>>33758782
You unfortunately for you it's true, 5ch has already been spreading it around, carri-san is forcing homo collabs and they aren't happy
You don't understand how much of her popularity was due to JP charity

>>33759090
Again
>We're 4chan.

>>33759074
>T-THAT DOESN'T COUNT
lmao

>>33759220
what?

>>33759228
More like : STOP THE COUNT!

>>33759074
>once [fictional scenario that I want to happen in the future]
????????????????

>>33759320
>He doesn't know that this already happened last year.

>>33759090
Mori bad because of rrats other people made?

>>33743589
didn't read but I'm glad these side branches are becoming more and more shitstorms

>>33759090
>JPs didn't know she collabed will males
>besides being the first EN to collab with Holostars and even created Spiral Tones with Rikka
>despite her own words against forcing collabs with males
What level of threadreader is this?

>>33743899
nah it'll take a while at least.
give it 2-3 weeks
she's dead then
the attention span of those faggots are the shortest
she decided to kill fans that stuck with her from the early days for the 2 week fans.

>>33759090
Oh! You're talking about THOSE JPs. See you when her next sololive (in Japan) is sold out again

>>33744927
>>33744940
That one has 734k views on YouTube, and it is not her most recent original song, so what the fuck did anon mean by saying last original song and 800k on YouTube?

Also it is 6 months old

>>33759558
>These unicorns think that it hurts anyone because they're not as loyal
>But cannot explain why they get more views
It's because the new audience that has money, also have jobs so they view their oshis after work.

>>33752224
kek
believing this

>>33759685
Let's end the world had 800K.

>>33759839
Why don't you believe it?

>>33743899
>>33759558
>implying more likes than views hasn't happened for every EN girl since the branch's inception
>thinking this is people not tuning in to purposefully fuck with the talent rather than YouTube's documented shit tracking
For Christ's sake, it's happening to Ame RIGHT NOW, with a completely unscheduled, unarchived Karaoke with no prior waiting room has 12k+ likes, and only 10k+ CCV
You fuckers need to unironically lurk more, or take your meds

>>33759944
He'll say it's a conspiracy to make Mori look good.

>>33758733
Nobody actually cared about the lean thing. It's just shitposting material in here.

>>33747459
>>33747616
>>33758426
People actually expect a Watame song to do good numbers?

>>33760263
Oh, hi watameschizo

>>33760263
Watameschizo no one invited you
Go back

>>33757880
Comparing subs is pointless, you can only really compare against yourself. If your views each video are less than before, you're "reclining," but song numbers can be pretty random, it's just how much of a hit it was. That said, the last two releases/vids don't appear to have been hits, the question is why.

>>33753744
Channel matters a lot.

>ITT 2 cuckbeats malding, coping and seething because Mori's recent CCV can't even beat Kiara's
Can't wait for the next few months when her viewership craters even harder. This thread is fucking hilarious.

>>33760435
t.deadbeat
You don't fool me.

>>33760435
>Selenfag
So it's the usual frontrunning nijishits.

>>33760435
>can't back up his schizo rants
>defaults to Selenposting
Every time.
How about you actually post some Good Selen Pics?

>>33759090
>he fell for google translate threads.
Dumbass

>>33760666
Yeah ditto. I want the lewd ones.

>>33743589
I finally forgave Mori for what she did is what happened anon.

>>33750509
>failed bassist
not exactly a ringing endorsement

>>33760100
Nobody care you do realize this lean what mori at her worse she called her fans a parasite which is where is get ton of hate comment

>he actually got mad and is catalog-shitting

>>33761147
>she called her fans a parasite which is where is get ton of hate comment
???

It honestly feels like you’re mad Kronii is sucking up the schizo attention

>>33761147
Learn how to construct coherent sentences, ESL.

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>>33760336
>>33760358
There is really no comparison.

Do you think Watame schizo is a cute girl? A girl being salty that she's not as loved as Watame despite being pretty similar to her would be kinda cute.

>>33761331
Have you ever actually gotten a response?

>>33761331
based /tttt/ sister

>>33750944
Pretending that Ame did no do it by herself, how fucking delusional are you?

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>>33743674
Look at the underperforming videos you chose for that image.
>MV for an old song that's been out since March
>Superchat reading stream that most people avoid
>Cover of a really slow anime song that's not out in the West yet
>Parts of a JRPG released in 1994 (She's not allowed to stream the ending?)
>Final Part of a Visual Novel

No shit that these aren't doing gangbusters. I'm a big Mori fan and even I skipped most of these. Meanwhile, her 2nd anniversary stream, announcement and holocure streams are still doing well because they're actually interesting content.

>>33759090
https://twitter.com/tokino_sora/status/1572817454216400896

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>>33762599
You should absolutely go watch at least the start of the VA11HA11A VoD where she’s mixing drinks.

>>33763262
how is this relavant to his argument?

>>33763520
>JP will hate her now!

>>33743589
Yes, she ruined everything by rejecting the Hololive culture, just like Kronii is doing now. Basically, she's collabing with men, constantly chasing after e-celebs and trying to collab with them, and she became more like a Vshojo member than a Hololive member and people stopped watching her.

>>33758506
>NOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO COUNT PEOPLE REPLAYING HER OLD SONGS AS LEGITIMATE THAT CURRENT MORI IS NOT RECLINING
STFU Deadbeat it is getting pathetic

>>33763600
>constantly chasing after e-celebs and trying to collab with them
She has seemed to leave that to her side except that one sponsor stream.

>>33763594
yes? he said 5ch

>>33763649
Anon, YouTube channels don't work that way.

>>33743720
delete your life tranny

>>33763756
>i don't have herpes, except for that one cold sore flare up

>>33763756
And that sponsor was Kadokawa
.
>>33763779
>Cherry-picked anti thread

>>33763879
>Sponsored stream.

>>33763879
What? I just said she has left e-celeb shit to B-side.

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>>33762599
>I like Mori
>Only watched her anniversary and her playing FOMO
>Ignores her kino playthrough of V4lhalla
The absolute state of ENfags

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