/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>33707555
I don't think fauna is at the same level as koyo and lamy.

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>33707459
100% if the stars are gonna get harassed again for sure miyabi is gonna take the most harassments since they consider him as the source for the corruption like last time.

>>33707644
not really, but she doesn't have the background for these kind of games

I'd buy the rrat of Gura following behind Aqua's footsteps. Gura is retarded, funny and could sing but her passive is to be able to kill nijisanji on sight. Her title as niji killer was brought upon after killing them so many times in 2019/2020 before pekora arrived.

>SEPTEMBER 2022 GOLDS
1) Pekora (Hololive) - 54,023 - Rust
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 47,845 - Return stream
3) Ayame (Hololive) - 118,899 - 4th anniversary 3D live
4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 87,145 - New outfit reveal
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,743 - Dragon Quest Monsters
6) Marine (Hololive) - 45,140 - Super Smash Bros Ultimate
7) Sora (Hololive) - 84,063 - 5th anniversary 3D live
8) Botan (Hololive) - 81.036 - Birthday 3D stream
9) Miko (Hololive) - 39.905 - Holocure
10) Marine (Hololive) - 50.041 - Holocure
11) Subaru (Hololive) - 36.779 - Persona 4 Golden
12) Miko (Hololive) - 38.454 - Rust
13) Pekora (Hololive) - 43.118 - Rust
14) Miko (Hololive) - 34.041 - Rust
15) Suisei (Hololive) - 59.604 - Karaoke
16) Moona (Hololive) - 87.402 - 3D Showcase
17) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 81.240 - KZHCUP in PUBG Day2
18) Gura (Hololive) - 92.264 - 3D live
19) Pekora (Hololive) - 96.590 - Fate Grand Order
20) Pekora (Hololive) - 89.156 - Fate Grand Order

>PER COMPANY
18x: Hololive
2x Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
5x: Pekora
3x: Miko
2x: Ayame, Marine
1x: Botan, Fuwa, Gura, Moona, Nijisanji Sora, Subaru, Suisei

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
169x: Hololive
84x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
35x: Pekora
17x: Miko
16x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Salome
10x: Nijisanji, Subaru
8x: Marine
6x: Hal, Hololive
5x: Gura, Kanata, Mio, Suisei, Toya
4x: Flare, Noel, Okayu, Towa
3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Fuwa, Mayuzumi, Polka
2x: Ange, Botan, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Maimoto, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Shion, Sora
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Moona, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

>33707593
Is this real? Because if this is not just made up by unicorn schizos, holy shit! I guess broken livers attract hepatitis.

BUUM

Blue Boy 5K

Can we all agree that the worst thing about Rust season 3 besides the gay anti pekora rules is the fact that this shit is turning into a fucking minecraft construction war arc?
They should've just given everyone a hard team at the start of season 3. The mini war skirmishes they do sometimes is fun but people couldn't give a shit about it compared to having actual 2 active factions.

I'll take advantage of the new thread and make it a smaller post because you are all zoomers and can't read more than 113 words so I'll make this post EXACTLY 113 words.
If you want the full post, check >>33707500

tl;dr: In North America, you are expected to tip 15-20% anytime you are served, and if you get SPECTACULAR BAD SERVICE like getting food dunked on you, service worker being rude on purpose
>you are allowed to tip "only" 10%
That is the perfect metaphor for the state of the EN vtuber scene, when the streamers can do no wrong and even if she does, you are not allowed to complain.

>>33707780
Another day, another HoloGold
Feels good to be a HoloChad

>>33707500
So, going by this statement, couple with EN's culture which seek drama
Is there any hope left fot JP-style chuuba in EN?

>>33707747

What's the member post like record?

>>33707836
Why the fuck would you even want a JP-style chuuba in EN? Just watch JP.

>>33707836
No, that sounds oxymoronic.

Why the FUCK is the blue homo at 5k? You guys told me the homos were reclining hard and leeching from the girls wouldn't save them??

Reminder dont bite the bait everyone

FRIEND LEWDS

>>33707780
It is almost mathematically impossible for Nijisanji to win 2022 now.

Should Ame's shitpost stream be included in the tally?

>>33707836
>Is there any hope left fot JP-style chuuba in EN?
Not only there is but if Gura sticks to her guns and creates a safe environment for Fauna and Mumei they'll EASILY dominate the EN vtuber scene by embedding themselves in the JP-ID box and ditching their coworkers

>>33707882
Because the whole point of HoloEN was to go into EN market, but if that means go against JP principles, then people will think it's not worth it

>>33707832
>Feels good to be a HoloChad
Sorry bro but
>It feels good to be a HoloJPChad

>>33707889
Kobo collab

>>33707792
not sure about the rest but a couple of the boys paypigs have made their socials private. i dont know if they were harassed or if people warned them about potential harassments.

>>33707648
>"B-b-buh Kronii didn't say she wants to collab with males on her debut"
So fucking what, she also didn't say she won't collab with males. You act as if she insulted your family honour or something.
You kronies are the most backwards ass faggots of a fan I've ever seen.
You don't want your oshi to grow or change, you want her to be at your toy.
You don't give a shit about her happiness, only yours.
I hope you faggots stay miserable for the rest of your lonely existence.

>>33707891
>Orange
ORANGE HATE!

>>33707889
Anon, look who is with him

>>33707897
we included rosemis stream back then so yeah.

>>33707927
>>33707832

Kronii is right.
If you pander to the fanbase you have, you miss out on the fanbase you could have, which is always bigger.

>>33707747
Is rye ogey

What I learned from last thread:
>there are people ITT that think Miku is a real person and not a fictional entity devoid of personality based around a vocal synthesizer software with no agency

Is it true Kronii's views are beginning to dip because of the collab thing? That can't be real.

>>33707772
She kills NijiEN everytime she streams tho.

>>33707889
Unironically people are retarded or just acting like retards. An incline or recline isn't provable from a week of streams, or even a month of infrequent streams. It requires a timeline of at least 2-3 months of consistent streams to see an average baseline and see growth. If a chuuba / liver gets 10k one month then 8k the next month, are you going to say "recline" if they get 9k the month after? If a chuuba or liver only streams four times a month, with all streams being big events, are you going to say they inclined?

>>33707891
Challenge level: IMPOSSIBLE

>>33707889
>Why the FUCK is the blue homo at 5k?
it is more or less the same situation of NijiEN girls. Anytime you ask
>why is X with this big number
the answer will unavoidably be
>X is leeching from the usual targets

In the NIjiEN girls, Luxiem, in Regis case, Kobo.
In this particular case, it's a single POV collab in his channel

How long will disowned Kronicorns keep crying? Just cut off your dicks, transition and become your own ideal girl, faggots.

>>33707990
She's my wife, so she's real.

>>33707911
>Gura, who ghosting everyone
>Create a safe environment
I have more trust in a bottle of bug spray than Gura "Creating" anything
Girl is just too much of a loner

>>33708006
most of the answers you will get are shitposting
the actual answer is that it is way too early to tell, come back in like a month

>>33707889
He's just gonna go back to being a sub 2k shitter like usual tomorrow.

>>33708034
wrong thread and offtopic

>>33706049
The AmongUS participants organised by Kiara

>>33708045
Anon, Gura doesn't need to do ANYTHING at all. All she needs is to stick to her guns and every other girl can just say
>I'll just do what Gura does

>>33707931
Probably pre-emptive measures

>>33707943
>Kronie shit on Kronie
>Reply to a retard post with a similar retard post.

>Megabuff collab partners
>Horror game
>Ebin thumbnail
Still losing to a meme stream. How does NijiCN manage to be so shit?

>>33707792
>its in green text so it must be true
>ur a faget

>>33708068
Kobo and Gura finally in a collab together
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

>>33707780
Wait where's Salome? Or Vox?

>>33707927
HoloEN is doing pretty good in cripple tally though.

>>33708068
Latechama.

>>33708006
The real answer is that her viewers dipped long ago due to frequent breaks and inconsistent schedules. This drama honestly won't affect her views

>>33708067
wrong gender

>>33708097
That thumbnail is garbage and probably spooked more people away lol.

Delta's retention is amazing. Can't wait to see her CCV a month from now. Too bad she is retarded and splitting her audience between Youtube and Twitch.

>>33707943
>>33708034
Honestly i want to egg and shit on kronies even more so that they do something more drastic. Harassing the boys fans are not enough i want them to actually hurt someone.

>>33708045
Just like how SNO followed Gura, there will be other girls who wants numbers or are more of a diehard fan of hers who will follow cgdct

>>33708086
I hate this, tell down picture.

>>33708027
Were their other collabs also single pov?

This is what happens when the branch doesn't have ''pillar''.
JP already has Sora and Fubuki
ID has iofi and Moona.
Meanwhile, EN doesn't have someone that capable of being the Pillar of the branch, the one who managed to connect to all branches without controversy and the one who managed to hold shit up when the branch is in shambles because of controversy.
as long there's no pillar in EN, you will expect there's will be more retardation in the future caused by the EN branch & disarray.
i just hope in EN3 there's girl who can hold shit up when someone on the branch fucked up & also can tard-wrangle the girl.
Ame can be EN Sora (the figurehead-like figure & unity in branches)
EN just need someone that can do yab-deflection & acting like good PR machine to ensure everything looks ''alright'' on the surface.

>>33707943
I wonder why they just won't just fuck off and find an alternative, but be menhera to the point of contemplating bloodlust.
I wonder just how they are parasitic to her.
Cover should realize that the parasocial game is too dangerous to play and they need to invest actual money to figure out how to handle parasocial relationships.

>>33708068
Where's Tempus?

>>33708006
Too early to tell. Those games that she play after break isn't exactly buff game.

>>33708079
Anon, she has been doing that since Mori collabing with TT, and yet retards /here/ are acting like the girl will get fucking lynched by le ebin homobeggars any day now

>>33708006
Best demonstration of whether or not there was any affect is if she streams her top buff content at some point, like Minecraft.

>>33708087
some of them might but some of them did get harassed seeing as how 2 privated an hour after infinity talked about harassing them.

When EN3 drops this thread is gonna have a fun time predicting whether the girls will be in the anti or pro Tempus faction.

>>33708180
Kiara organized it

>>33708068
I’m surprised Gura is joining

>>33708136
Preferably themselves

>>33708223
EN3 already happened. It was Tempus.

>>33708180
rent free anon?

>>33707976
Ahahhahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha
Ha.
What's ridiculous idea. Sure, go pander to Twitter troons, then come back and ask why your hobby is dead 10 years later.

>>33707990
That was one of the funniest post I have seen in this board
Each day people reach a new level of retardation

>>33708166
Mori and Ame is the closest thing to pillars on EN side, but unfortunately they couldn't tardwrangle the branch like FBK does not they have a shining beacon like JP does with Sora.

>>33708223
honestly we're gonna be more busy with the whole council/holox problem again of people numberrotted to hell with post debut numbers only for the obvious dip and then the doomposting

>>33708166
seems like mori is trying to force her way into being the pillar. Fortunately not even irys takes her seriously

>>33708250
preferably and hopefully both.

>>33708223
Omegatroon and YAGOO will groom them into liking the tempus cocks.

>>33708167
>invest actual money to figure out how to handle parasocial relationships.
Let me tell you the reality of that game anon. The only way to win it is either to appease them or to completely suicide your career. Top twitch streamers who are super anti parasocial still get parasocial viewers who annoys them with bullshit no matter how much they tell them to fuck off. If you want to "own" them make sure to keep your viewcount to zero.

>>33708223
I personally don't care. As long as they get good numbers it's all good. In this thread number is King. I don't care about unicornshit.

>>33707923
How are their going against the holo jp principles. Holo en at this point are reclining gura maxed out the unicorn market and it's not enough to make a dent in the western market. The only way holo en can incline at this point is by working with holostars en. This opens up a brand new dynamics for both groups that benefit both. This quote says it all "united we stand divided we fall". Holostar and holoen are not frankly not increasing their audience cause their not united but working together their strength is unimageable the worm collab opened my eyes. Having vesper and magni commentate while the guys and girls have fun created a unique atmosphere not like niji en or vshojo. This what en idol culture should be the males and female talents working together to create an new possibility . A new idol culture something the world never seen before that is how both groups will incline.

>>33708223
Who cares? I'm more interested whether they will stream regularly or not.

>>33708034
They have to learn from the ideal girl to become the ideal girl.
https://youtu.be/ucbx9we6EHk

>>33708150
>SNO
what happened to T?

>>33708166
Unironically the EN girls are too independent to each other for it to work
And the most important thing is EN also don't have the anal attitude about Senpai-Kouhai hierarchy for it to work (Which is ... Well, that's how EN is)

>>33708298
Fauna will groom minecraft autists and make them solid cgdct

>>33708132
She has a lot of EOPs saviourfags tho, who aren't known for staying for too long

When wilhe Gen 1 whores graduate?

>>33707831
so you're saying america/americans is the problem? I agree

>>33708339
Didn't follow Gura?

>>33707697
/news/ roundup for 20-09-2022
>>33640013
Recent clip numbers
>>33699829
>>33699859
>>33700466
>>33700501

>>33708301
But that's not even remotely true, we have multiple evidence from Holo JP side.

>>33708363
when you graduate from life

>>33708358
MASSfags? I think they do stay after all this time. Not all of them obviously.

>>33708111
>salome
her last stream was 15k
>vox
not relevant besides his asmr

>>33708339
dunno what you're talking about

>>33707831
If you expect better services, the servers will remember your face, and the cooks will add extra ingredients on your food.
You can always walk out, too.
What can the restaurant do if you walk out after eating your meal? Nothing.
Just don't do this at your local area.

>>33708097
Unmedicated hepatitis.

>>33708366
North America. Kronii is Canadian and so are countless of the HoloEN and NIjiEN streamers.
It's a difference in mindset

>>33708223
I don't care desu but they have to let people know as early as possible what their stance is on male collabs.

>>33708260
Are you implying that Twitter troons don't watch streams? Do you have any evidence to back that up?

>>33708328
ඞ

Anyone remember pre PekoMoona arc? I won't be surprised if Some JP cliques just decides to go back to that state if EN drama keeps escalating.

>>33708150
you weren't supposed to answer that joke question.

>>33708223
anon, they will all be pro-tempus. The EN scene is dead for CGDCT enjoyers outside of anyone who currently exists and follows Gura... and Ina.

>>33708287
Are we watching the same person? When's the last time Mori even organized a branch collab?
I know Mori-hating is /vt/ preferred past time but at least use your brain a little.

>>33708182
People in January 2022 would've called you a schizo if you told them the following things -
> KSon will join VShojo
> Ame will collab with a Holostars member
> Kronii will collab with a Holostars member
> There will be people trying to force the Holo girls to collab with males.

"acting like the girl will get fucking lynched by le ebin homobeggars any day now" is just an inevitability, and these "retards" will just be people who know what happens 6 months from now.

>>33707831
American tipping culture is retarded. Pay your staffs properly.

Don't let all these posts distract you from the fact that Fubuki won gold today and we are having some nice hag lewds, probably with a lot of armpit involved

>>33708122
Ehh we'll see about that. I can imagine number dropping due to school has started and some regular drop out due to drama. Shit happened to me too, i don't came to Hololive for these, i don't like Homo collab but hey if you're gonna do it just do it, don't make a big deal out of it. Kronii managed to do 2 stupid thing at once, triggered the retard in her fanbase by being flip flop in her stance and attracted another batch of retard on twitter to the fandom. Some what similar shit happened to Mori that made me drop her hard.

>>33708097
>Shoto, Ironmouse and Luxiem
>Still lost to fucking debuffson shitpost.
The vtuber market outside of JP is a fucking joke

>>33708445
for >>33708370

FRIEND GOLD FRIEND GOLD FRIEND GOOOOOOLD!

>>33707891
Impossibble

>>33708435
most JP barely cares about EN besides some big events or Gura

>>33708166
i always feel like Ame is closer to being EN sora than EN fubuki.
not because of daisenpai status but its the ''to make a good environment for holopro talent & unity in branches" which Sora did.
Ame doesnt have capabilities to be Fubuki, being Fubuki is more than just being unitychads. just see what fubuki did whenever big yab/controversy happen. i dont think Ame will go that far.
>>33708283
>>33708287
>mori
>pillar
she's too fucking YAB to be fucking pillar. the branch will fucking crumble if she's the pillar.
i trust Ame more than Mori ''own za hater" Calliope

EN3 will have management mandated "will collab with males and outsiders" disclaimers on debut

>>33708468
I mean... there's a reason the top 3 HoloENs are Gura, Fauna, and Mumei.

>>33707831
That plus lowbrow corporate entertainment has decided its calling is to "educate" (humiliate) and/or "challenge" (alienate) its audience (chudcels). So mass media has never been less popular than it is now, and its makers have never been prouder of themselves. American small-corporate niche media (like HoloEN) ASPIRES to that failure.

>>33708223
This is not /hlgg/ you enshart, this fucking thread is only interested in numbers.

>>33708419
>If you expect better services, the servers will remember your face, and the cooks will add extra ingredients on your food.
You are just proving my point.

That's exactly the attitude that is prevalent in North America but pretty much non existent in the rest of the western world and even in the third world.
>You didn't like the way you were served and DARED to complain?
>I'LL MAKE IT A POINT TO PUNISH YOU WITH EVEN WORSE SERVICE!

See: going the AmeWay

>>33708486
>KSon will join VShojo
People has been expected this ever since her graduation.
>There will be people trying to force the Holo girls to collab with males
This already happened since long time ago.

>>33708486
> There will be people trying to force the Holo girls to collab with males
This doesn't apply tho, homobeggars have been a thing for more than 2 years

holy fuck this timeloop is the most boring of em all, bring back pekkers vs gura please.

>>33708363
What brought this up?

>>33707943
>You don't give a shit about her happiness
Why should I? I thought being parasocial is bad? She's an entertainer, streaming isn't about making her happy it's about making me happy.

>>33708532
They relate to numbers and that post would probably be deleted in /hlgg/.

>>33708468
Bro no one is applying to HoloEN thinking
>Damn I want to be the next Bae

>>33708223
If it happens at all, it's kind of questionable at this point. I wouldnt be shocked if holoJP introduced a gen that all speak english themselves instead.

I could imagine people like Gura and Kiara migrating over to become part of JP in a future rebranding while the remainders and tempus become HoloWest or something

>>33708492
Don't let all these posts distract you from the fact that a fucking 6-minutes meme stream won EN gold today

>>33708486
>Lose my shit
>Shien
>Lose my shit
>JP homobeggers exist

>>33708472
fubuki doesnt organize a lot of collabs either anon, this is about who tries to act out as a "leader"

Reminder anyone arguing homo collabs are good is a nijifaggot trying to ruin HoloEN in the same way LazuLight became Luxiem cocksleeves

>>33707943
Stop twisting works locust, the point was that she had a chance at the outset of the conversation (Gabe's schizo rant) in order to make her position about it clear, but she fucking didn't, and gave schizos like him actual hope that she would consider their viewpoints.
She should not have done that if she was just going to walk back on it 2 weeks later. That's the kind of shit you expect from a VShojo girl, not someone in HoloEN.

>>33708510
kek very accurate

>>33707697
September events

Hololive
16) Subaru anniversary, Moona 3D debut
17) Iofi 3D debut
18) Risu 3D debut, Gura 3D live
20) HoloID mini 3D live

Nijisanji
16) Kuzuhacup
17) Kuzuhacup
18) CRcup (Kuzuha)
28) Kuzuhaday
30) Nijifes fantasia

>>33708486
>force
Who's doing that?

>>33708540
maybe if gura can even get on pekkers level in the first place.

>>33708486
>KSon will join VShojo
I have been literally saying that since she interacted with them. And ive been saying that NotRushia will join them after she made that statement trying to bait cover.

>>33708558
Reality seems to be contradicting that, but hey we'll see.

>>33708006
check back in a month

>>33708563
>holoJP introduced a gen that all speak english themselves instead
They don't need to pander to those crowds.

>>33708166
Arguably EN's pillar is Ame.
Kronii's just following her lead.

>>33708376
It's true anon. You were talking about parasocial relationships not male debuff or unicorn bullshit. And there's more than many ways to ruin it besides the gay boyfriend shit. Like Towa probably have no parasocial viewers for male collab but you'll be pretty damn sure there are parasocial viewers that will get angry if she was exposed as an fps cheater. Parasocial viewers isn't exclusively about boyfriend shit, it's more about trust and keeping up with the imagine your audience wants you. It's the same reason why Xqc's veiwers basically threw a huge fucking tantrum spam for days in his chat because he accepted the gambling sponsorship.

tl;dr: Can you live without parasocial viewers? No. Can you live without unicorns? Probably.

>>33708536
You couldn't be more way off, retard burger.
Only Americans throw a fit if they think they aren't provided with good enough service, the rest of the world is nowhere as confrontational as burgers.
Like, do you know where the stereotype of dirty, rude, and loud-mouthed americans came from?

>>33708618
This. We already have a EN corpo example of what happens to too much male and female interaction. Hell even female twitch streamers either go the parasocial sexy bait route or orbiting a much more popular male

>Yesterday is Pekora/Gura
>Today is Fubuki/Ame

>>33708223
Can't wait for them to be called the "Sankisei of EN" after 150k + debuts.

>>33708687
>the rest of the world is nowhere as confrontational as burgers
Zhangs are some of the rudest and most disgusting motherfuckers on the planet.

>>33708657
don't even need that graph, just a matter of watching activity from morning jp streams to know the boxes barely interact anymore

>>33708718
I mean they will since they are EN3.

>>33708625
Pretty much; she just saw the money and decided to play along until things started to inconvenience her.

>>33708340
yeah EN is too individualistic, and you cant be pillar if you're too individualist.
even Ame who people expect as EN FBK still too individualistic.
the only hope is EN3 but if EN3 doesnt have someone that capable of being pillar...
i have no hope for EN branch.

>>33708182
they have been lynching her, they're doing it right now
But Gura has the secret power known as "Literally just dont look at what weirdos on twitter are screaming about" and just carries on about her business
Nobody would even know it's happening because she doesnt draw attention to it unlike other twittards

>>33708519
Only true in Aug. Not in this month (so far), and not in July either.

>>33708223
>>33708718
Im placing my bet on the runt of the gen to be the next powerhouse
Pekora im sorry i doubted you in early days and called you a failure

>>33708730
We're talking about human beings here, please keep on topic.

>>33708713
It's really cute that EN fags want to be beside JP chads like they're in the same standing even with their pathetic numbers. Yesterday was Pekora and today was FBK. That is all.

Cover should just drop En3 and introduce bilingual JP7 instead. They can put Siro as their leader after the graduates from .LIVE.

>>33708718
They wont get 100k

Who the fuck is Gabe?

>>33708537
>>33708643
Only schizos, her actual fans were left QUITE surprised by her move to corpo.
Why do you think she had to do the whole damage control stream?

>>33707976
Anon, her content panders specifically to people who love boring indie games and coomerbait. She doesn't do FOTM to catch a mainstream audience. She's not a good enough singer to capture music autists. She doesn't la creatividad projects for the tourists. Her fanbase is exactly what she made it to be: coomers who can stand boring indie games. What bigger fanbase is she even trying to appeal to? People who will never watch her streams?

>>33708516
You don't have to be yab-free to qualify as pillar anon, only mental strength and sense of responsibilty.
Mori couldn't be a pillar even though she's arguably is the strongest mentally among HoloEN, but because she has too many projects and doesn't have enough time to involve herself with branch problem.

>>33707990
was it the guy talking about miku collabs?

>>33708818
me

>>33708818
You don't know Valve anon?

>>33708794
Bilinguals flop hard nigga because no one want to deal with two languages flip flopping.

Why are unicorn fags up in full swing??
Didn't you get btfoed by literally everyone, why do you still exist like pesticides??

>>33708167
EVERY STREAMER AND FAN INTERACTION IS PARASOCIAL WHETHER THEY'RE BEING GFE OR JUST BROS. WELCOME TO THE FUCKING REAL WORLD. STOP USING "PARASOCIAL" WHEN YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU'RE FUCKING TALKING ABOUT. PEOPLE HAVE "PARASOCIAL" RELATIONSHIPS WITH ACTORS WHO DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY FUCKING EXIST, AT LEAST WITH STREAMERS YOU CAN GET YOUR FUCKING MESSAGE/DONATION READ

>>33708838
I don't think there is any relation between Gaben and Kronii.

>>33708486
>Ame not being a saviourfag and trying to boost Homos
Her whole existence is to help people over herself anon

>>33708801
Lot of people are waiting for EN3, I'd say 120k is the bare minimum the debuts must clear to be categorized as non-failures.

>>33708730
Zhangs are not human, do you burgers want to be put on the same tier as them? Is that what you want retardo?

>>33708830
>strongest mentally
lol

>>33708822
>her actual fans were left QUITE surprised
thats because her actual fans were full of copium. when she talked about how she was almost scammed for her 3d that for me was the final nail in the coffin of her joining vshojo.

>>33708818
representative of all the schizo kronies.

>>33708283
Mori and Ame are the tards that need to be wrangled, if anything the pillar is Gura but she is too antisocial

>holo vs holo
>"i'm a nousagi btw"
>won't even post membership with timestamp when I showed my 8 month membership
is this the new angle they're going with? who do I blame for this?

>>33708794
I don't think cover need bilingual JP7. That would bean automatic runt gen. EOP pandering never works now.

>>33708879
My expectation is very low for EN I will laugh if they can't beat Iluna's debuts.

>>33708686
Basically, stay true to the image that you cultivate.

>>33708855
> unicorns are like pesticides to twitterfags
heh

>>33708855
Kronii got btfo by losing 50% of her viewerbase. CGDCT chads are riding high on the victory over the twitter trannies

>>33708830
>Mori couldn't be a pillar even though she's arguably is the strongest mentally among HoloEN
>she's arguably is the strongest mentally among HoloEN
hahahahaha
Good one, anon!

>>33708166
I don't expect her to be a pillar but I genuinely hope Kiara starts tardwrangling the girls more. She of all people has been handling Tempus and collab beggars far better than most of her coworkers and was willing to call out her own gen during their anniversary.

>>33708907
>who do I blame for this?
You already know the answer anon

>>33708552
So you can even differentiate between empathy and parasocial relationship.
You kronies are failures as human

>>33708889
Like I said, in January you'd be called a schizo if you posted that she's gonna join VShojo in her thread.

>>33708223
2 girls who mention Tempus in their debut, 2 girls who almost never mention them but still join a group collab with Tempus (these will cause the most drama), 1 girl who never interacts with them but she has a confirmed boyfriend that people will use to shitpost

>>33707943
Nigga, it's only Gabe and his group who's still causing shit.

>>33708907
come on anon you already know who.

>>33708857
No no no anon you don't get it John Lennon died of an accident not because of a crazed fan who felt offended and betrayed, parasocial interaction is a thing that only exists with streamers.

>>33708928
Yeah it boils down to this. No one will bat an eye if Suisei collab with male but if Kanata collab will male all hell will break loose.

>>33708822
>>33708889
she spent a whole fucking year talking about making her own group, even making her own live2d software, she was talking about what programming books she was going to get
I thought she was really impressive and really knew what she was doing
I didn't think she just didn't know what she was doing

>>33708914
Debuts are one point where both fans AND antis will be watching anon.
I watched some of the iLuna debuts as well, despite not even following NijiEN.
People are always on the lookout for chuubas that they might find interesting, and debuts are the best time to check that.

>>33708977
Its femcels. The same ones who seethed about Rushia and GFE.

>>33708830
>strongest mentally among HoloEN
>mori
being a whiny bitch doesnt make you mentally strong, anon. Being unable to control your own mouth actually points to the opposite

>Almost October
>Retards still think EN3 is happening
It's sad at this point

>>33707990
Thanks for posting this, my mind filter skipped through that retard so I didn't notice.

>>33709009
It was talk like those that convinced me that she was gonna rejoin a corpo.

>>33708769
Gura does look at what retards were screaming at her though, she had thrown a few remark at some and done some action to counter some( in a very subtle way) , still she either doesn't look enough or literally mentally strong enough to not bring it on stream.

>>33708625
So you're saying kronies are justified for harassing her and her associate because they felt cucked?
Are you faggots for real? No wonder she finally cut you off, fucking toxic-ass "fans".

I'm sorry to in interrupt the timeloops, but I found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfXKkTGBZ2g

>>33709009
I don't watch kson but it almost seems like you're describing one of those Twitch grifters who's always accepting donations for their next big project that never pans out.

>>33708930
>>33708932
how do you feel anons, that no one not even your oshi care about you, thank you for spending money in superchats and memberships for her but you are no one.

Make sure to fap, helps with stress and depression !!

/news/ roundup for 21-09-2022 (all times are in JST)
> Among Us reveals Hololive themed cosmetic items in-game (https://twitter.com/AmongUsGame/status/1572269459838214145)), collaboration merch will also be coming out soon (https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/news/20220921-01-12/).).
> Kiara will be organizing an Amongus collab to celebrate the collab (https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1572368419550539776).).
> Nijisanji merch "Niji Petit" series released, will feature the first 5 waves of NijiEN (https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1572405250148904960).).
> Mel, Chloe and Pekora inspired makeup featured in LARME magazine (https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1572495852064706560).).
> Okayu featured on the front page of "VTuber Style" magazine (https://twitter.com/nekomataokayu/status/1572501155397406720).).
> HoloSummer acrylic stands and pin badges on sale (https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1572518500110766080).).
> Hololive quiz planned for both EN and JP fans as part of the 5th Anniversary celebration (https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1572510953467351040).).
> Sukoya Kana (NijiJP) revealed her new outfit (https://youtu.be/sRUctKHT7oE).).
> Sonic Frontiers sponsored stream from Reimu (https://youtu.be/Qr7g3g089wI).).

Previous : >>33640013
August roundup : >>32140520

>>33709079
Kys redditfag. Lick my sack if you want toxicity

Okay since people are fucking retarded we really should get the terminology straight

Parasocial Viewers =/= Unicorn Viewers

Parasocial viewers can come in many forms, but they're basically viewers who are invested and has expectations on the streamer for specific things and they can be people who give a shit about the love life, the numbers, the relationship of the streamer, or even the gaming skill of the streamer(I remember people dropping tyler1 because he fucked up his korean challenge).

Unicorn Viewers are people who are in the GFE shit and no males collab stuff.

Ogay? Learn something new while you shitpost guys.

>>33709009
She had already been caught lying. The moment Vshojo announced they had $11 million to invest I knew they had her.

>>33709079
It's not necessarily justified, but it's understandable.

>>33709079
They're not justified for harassing her but she literally cultivated this shit fanbase because she refused to have a fucking spine, and then made it worse with the repeat lying. Both sides are not innocent in all this.

>>33709009
again, fans thought that it was because she was making her own corpo, not joining an existing one.

>>33709117
meds now

>>33708615
She doesn't organize a lot of collab these days, but just see her early years effort.
She even organized the Holo x Stars collab when Stars gen 2 debuted.

>>33709079
Everyone is retarded. Kronii is retarded. Her fans are retarded. Hololive Productions EN is retarded. People just blame Kronii first because it didn't even have to be this way but for some reason she kept on bringing this issue up multiple times.

i was looking at the total views column in holostats and i know pre gen5/myth holos had the whole holocaust deal and lost a lot, but is there a reason why nene still hasn't cleared 100m views and the gap is so wide with the rest of her gen

>>33709117
I refuse to understand the reasoning of the mentally-ill and you should too.

>>33709136
>>33709120
This is what I mean by "understandable." When you're dealing with people who would devote their salary to an anime character with gif tits, you're also facing the mental schizophrenia that comes with it. Don't want to deal with that? Don't cultivate that audience.

>>33708830
being mentally strong also means she doesn't fall to a bait or doing things out of spite.
>>33708894
>gura
>pillar
anon...Gura doesnt even have a shred of unity to her own genmate let along to the whole branch & being pillar mean she doesnt have problem mentioning/openly support the homos which she will 100% avoid.
i love gooba but come on, she's aint it
>>33708934
same, Kiara seems to have capabilities to tard wrangling her own genmates, but the unfortunate thing is her personality (esp the ME ME & clingy extrovert one) kinda filter people off. But i just hope she wrangling the girls behind the scene.

in other news, tamaki has a cover with nobuhime to be released

>>33709177
Nene is still around? Damn

>>33709177
holocaust happened before gen 5 newfag chama but yes, nenechi is just that boring

>>33709073
Do you remember that time when the schizo was posting that wall text about her playing off stream with some swedish guy and the day after that she had a WWE stream with a poll made in Sweeden (poll that casually only worked for the first battle) just to discover she was at Ame's house 2 days later?

>>33709120
Yes obviously there were better ways for her to deal with, but at the end of the day it has to be said and getting these unicorn retards out is net positive for the whole community

>>33708486
People have been shitposting about Coco going to Vshojo since 2020.
But Rushia getting terminated and moving to Vshojo with her too? Now that would make you look like a schizo.

>>33709177
because she's a menhera who takes too many breaks

>>33709079
Yes. Seethe about it

>>33709099
I will fap to Gura while she gaps to Miku

>>33708794
>bilingual
>Ollie, Anya, Kiara, Bae, and fucking Axel exists
Anon ...

>>33708516
Ame is nowhere near being a Sora. Sora's main claim to fame is that she is largely inoffensive. Ame is not inoffensive; in fact, she is the opposite of inoffensive (but not necessarily in the way that you think). She is definitely more like Fubuki and Matsuri than she's like Sora.

>>33709199
i said pre gen5/myth, what did you read anon

>>33708687
>Only Americans throw a fit if they think they aren't provided with good enough service,
Anon, for fuck sake, are you a fucking burger?

There is a reason things won't escalate to this level in the rest of the civilized world, and it is because the service workers know damn well that if a customer even shows any sign of displeasure about the service his ass is getting fired without recourse right then and there.

The only reason burgers have to pretty much go to the physical route is because service workers aren't expected to provide a good service

>>33708671
The condom box is for my size(19cm), lucky me.

>>33709177
She streams less than Botan or Lamy, and while Polka also doesn't stream a lot, Polka supplements her views with weekly Polden shows and a lot more music videos.

Every argument defending Kronii's stupidity can be shut down with just Bae, her own genmate.

>>33708994
>No one will bat an eye if Suisei collab with male
Ask hoshiyomis about the reaction when she collabed with bessan.

>>33709230
>>33708852
>>33708911
I just want Siro to get in Hololive and be saved She's stuck in sponsorship slave hell.

other than bossu, fubuki and flare are there any other holos that actually play fgo? i don't mean someone like koyori who hasn't even finished part 1

>People criticize ENs when they collab with a male
>And yet theres not complaints when Mio, Okayu and Korone is collabbing with a male right now
Double Standards much.

>>33709201
>getting these unicorns out
Yeah they aren't actually gonna leave anon. They'll just become antis or switch to girls that placate them like Gura

>>33709079
No you absolute dumbass twitteroid, quote the part where I fucking said that.
I'm saying that if Kronii hadn't given them hope in the first place, Kronies would likely have just left her without issue, LIKE THEY WERE PREPARING TO.
Did you even lurk infinity during that mengen? Do you know how fucking relieved that entire thread was when she said that she'd take their (retarded) opinions into account?
You don't do that to people, and you NEVER do that to actual schizos. It's the type of thing that psychiatrists create school shooters from.

Real fucking tired of thread boogeymans ngl.
>it's the unicorns
>it's the discordfags
>it's the nijiniggers
>it's the homobeggars
Hyper schizoid behavior, mods should nuke these threads on basis of mental health concerns already if it's incapable of nearly being on topic half the time.

>>33709163
Ey ey ey ey, my oshi is not. She's learning Indonesian's language.

>>33709009
>even making her own live2d software, she was talking about what programming books she was going to get
AND SHE DID!
>SUMMONING SUPER3D

>>33709099
don't mind if I do

>>33709079
who is harassing her? Show me the harassment
Saying "I don't like this, I'm not going to watch you anymore" is not harassment
You are brain broken by marvel/star wars/ghostbusters bullshit that you believe saying you dont like something and wont give it your money is a crime

Was Reimu always a 3view or has the increasingly larger overlap of NijiEN killed her?

too many essays being typed
just graduate kronii and be done with it, losing nothing of value anyways

>>33709293
Anon, the schizos will just spread like cockroaches in the board if this thread is banned. Also Pekora's split will be fucking shit again especially if she plays DQM.

>>33709260
who the hell is bessan? I'm a hoshiyomi and I don't know, yet faggots keep mentioning it every once and then for some reason.

>>33709115
And unicorn =/= idol culture

>>33709293
>mods should nuke these threads on basis of mental health concerns already if it's incapable of nearly being on topic half the time
This but the entire board.

>>33709195
>in other news, tamaki has a cover with nobuhime to be released
How the fuck would that work? does nobuhime also get some of the earnings?

>>33709331
was picking up pace before the whole Vox-Reimu incident. she was having a good week too average 1.1k iirc

>>33709248
but doesn't nene also have a lot of covers?

>>33709235
Stop pretending burger, the rest of the world don't throw tantrum because the waiter is a bit slow with their order, they just don't come back.
You can even see this mentality on Hololive JP fans, unicorns leave when they think their oshi couldn't provide the stuff they wanted.
The Rushia yab isn't even a year old you know.

>>33709287
>tvtropes

>>33709195
>tamaki has a cover with nobuhime to be released
No way! With Polka I can believe but Nobuhime?

>PAGING WRONG TIMELINE ANON!

>>33709260
Roberu? I remember that time there are tons of falseflaggers raiding Suisei split while the actual Hoshiyomi didn't have problem with that.

>>33708687
>He doesn't know about us french
Pitoyable...

>>33709285
>muh professional corpo sponsorship
No one cares

>>33708536
Sperging is cringe and harmful to your portfolio unless that's the field you are getting paid for.
Self-depreciation is the way to go when walking out of a bad deal. Ghosting does work, too, but it's not professional.
Just say it's personal. It's not you, it's me.
Idk how shit is going outside, and I could care less about starving niggers living with their parents.

Reminder that kronii pandered to the twitch crowd hard before she couldn’t handle it anymore. Then she pandered to the people that liked her even if she wasn’t a tts machine. Pandered hard selling booba mouse daki and basically only doing memeber karaoke. Then she dropped those to pander to the twitter crowd.

That’s the difference between her and Bae. Bae never changed, bae always knew what she wanted to be.

>>33709385
yes, she only has 2 above 1 million though. Most of her stuff have been flops

>>33709352
Get the fuck out newfag

>>33708301
>The only way to win it is either to appease them or to completely suicide your career.
That's why Cover needs to invest money learning about the psychology of parasocial relationships so that they can understand their own market. It is frustrating that a shitpost thread can produce better ideas on handling their own fans than them.

>>33709387
>the rest of the world don't throw tantrum because the waiter is a bit slow with their order
Anon, the examples provided were
>being rude
>spilling food on you
>ignoring you for 20 minutes
That's way more than "the waiter is a bit slow with their order"

>>33709365
no idea, dont covers make little to no profit anyway? doubt nobuhime would care

>>33709443
that's not an answer.

>>33709193
Being a pillar doesn't mean you have to support the homo too. Gura is not a pillar material rn due to some others reason, like not using twitter to promote stuff not not supporting the Homo. Marine and Coco don't even touch the Homo and they're still deemed as one of the pillar of Hololive.

>>33709334
The only one that needs to graduate is Fauna. She does nothing for EN and her personality is as fake as her voice

>>33709331
The vox thing killed her

>>33709482
Graduate kronii, fauna and mumei. The shittiest trio in all of hololive.

>>33709009
What happened to kson gang anyway? I remember she used to collab regularly with VOMS.

>>33709293
theres only one boogeyman anon and they take the form of a lot of people.

I wonder how much twitch and YouTube reclined from the lockdowns being over vs how much they reclined over multiple bad decisions in a row, specially twitch making user experience increasingly worse these last months.

>>33709285
I don't trust people like Kronii, Mori and Ame to be professional and mature because that's the image that they have built since debut.

>>33708794
That's the worst of both worlds.
JPs speaking English worked for Coco, Haato and even Pikamee years ago when HoloEN didn't exist and proper EN chuubas weren't widespread but now it's pointless.

>>33709407
I'm not talking about this board reaction anon, come on now, don't believe the MOST INFLUENTIAL BOARD bullshit.
Suityan even addressed it on stream, though most of the dissenting voice either begrudgingly accepted it or left her.

If we want to at the very least make this whole discussion numbers related, just observe Kronii's and the other girls metrics post Tempus interaction then. I honestly think some of you are just overreacting and paranoid.

>>33709349
I'm keeping it in check with my DQ autism, don't you worry. Also they're not as retarded as before to bite any numberfagging bait.

>>33709293
Aaand out comes the true culprit

>>33709482
Seeth faggot

>>33709331
>Was Reimu always a 3view
Pretty much, yes, to a point joked the
>Anya-Petra
meme became outdated when Ethyria debuted and Reimu became the new runt, with
>Reimu-Iofi
becoming the candidate for the next meme

>>33709200
Uh your point?

>all this garbage timeloop
Meanwhile, im so happy bossu got 7k CCV yesterday. thank you, pekker for making FGO as buff content

>>33709385
Heck no, not anywhere near the amount Polka has put out, and not half as successful either. Not for lack of singing skill, she's good enough, but she's not good at picking popular songs.

>>33709201
>Community
Fandom communities are always trouble there are nothing but greynigger retards fighting for power. Never involve yourself with that paradigm. There are only customers and the seller/streamer

>>33709539
>Suityan even addressed it on stream
I'm hoshiyomi and I don't remember that.

>>33709555
Fauna is a whore and will never be a real idol

>>33709532
You made me curious to see what's going on with twitch and GOD DMAN they are not having a good week. Literal bloomberg exposes being written up about them
https://twitter.com/cecianasta/status/1572550288699191296

>>33709115
You can use Gachikoi or Gosling as well.

>>33708713
Yesterday are unicorn-friendly chuubas. Today are m*le-friendly chuubas.

>>33709525
>>33709553
Checked and saved

>>33709624
keep crying

>>33709201
She's getting them out while invite another btach of retards in the community, dramafag, own le incelfag.

>>33709546
Good job anontachi, you guys are doing a thankless job from turning that place into a pure schizo heatsink.

>>33709553
NijiEN will never be relevant in the West if you got troglodytes like these jesas

>>33709284
I dont mind, congregrate around a talent who has no problems with unicorns and will never collab with male.
Go to Gura, even more so Kiara looks like she would love it.
On JP side there is a clear understanding of who likes collabing with males and who do not, EN needs that fans segregration

>>33709331
>trash’s the spice saying she is EN
>does “CN” learning streams
>Chooses Vox over her core fan base
>Vox pumps and dumps her
I’m surprised she is even a high 3 view at this point

>>33709630
>. Literal bloomberg exposes being written up about them
HOLY SHIT, no way! Secondary mainstream media picking it up?
>TWITCH IS DEAD

>>33709293
>nuke these threads on basis of mental health concerns
anon, that's the entire internet now

>>33709597
so is the answer is nene's just shit? that's a little unsatisfying, i thought there was like a specific reason, nene always seemed to have, pardon the expression, mindshare in the community

>>33709465
It's pretty much the same thing burger-kun.
Hell, Japan even have multiple well-known eatery that are infamous for their rude according to nips standards service, yet you don't see customer throwing a fit, they either don't come back or just toughen up because the food is worth the rude service.

Hey /#/, this is the numbers thread, so lets talk about numbers, I'll start with my bait.

Collabing with males doesn't hurt numbers they said.

>>33709388
the example works, bite me

>>33709570
I Hate Pekora for making Friend lose a ton of money and enabling her gambling addiction even more.

>>33708508
I'M GOING TO POST YOUR LEWDS YOU FUCKING FOXCAT

I can't even go fullscreen on twitch on mobile.

>>33709648
Enjoy your 5k stream today faggot. No one is going to watch her over Kronii

>>33708006
like >>33708122 said, her CCV has been trending downwards for months long before Tempus even debuted
She can still get good numbers when there's little overlap or she plays Minecraft or Powerwash Sim.

>>33709709
bad bait, i've seen it before

>>33709329
Such an idiot
Why do you want to announce it like you are big deal or something.
If you don't wanna watch just don't watch

Jesus fuck, EN fags still arguing about their very own problem even in this timeslot.
btw Kenmochi is playing another VN kusoge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf7ODY4ThzU
Koronesuki get in, I'm also watching SMOK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYqvfMKR16c
Kuzuha fag I despise so no frame for you

>>33709709
>giga debuff game
I'll wait until she plays a real game

>>33708510
Not this time for me hombre, I'm on a diet

>>33709709
Fucking GRIM

>>33709709
what will happen to irys if she collabed with males?

>>33709539
>Suityan even addressed it on stream
Suisei doesn't address dramas or fans' bullshit.

>>33708508
I'm gonna fap to shiroi_yoru's lewds in your honor friend.
Also please someone tell me more artists like him and kujira paste, I beg of you

>>33709542
We already have Kobo for short term, and Ollie for long term.
>but its ID, they have different kind of audience
Males are males, the only difference with EN audience are that the gachikois are a lot more quiet on ID side.
IDfags left on silence, ENfags throws a fit and eventually leaves if they see no hope anymore.

>>33709709
It's only going to get worse for Kronii once the troons and twitter/reddit orbiters leave after declaring victory.

>>33709709
Try again tomorrow.

>>33709803

>>33709761
Didn't Mysta and Ike get 10k and 8k in a split POV with this game? Why can Mumei and Kronii only get 8.6k with it with a single POV?

Okita's lewd today?

>>33709709
>can’t even reach 10k with return and drama buffs
Honestly think she will settle as a 5k ccv chuuba. Man to think she had the potential to be secondly only to Gura at one point…

Mika, please save your genmates....

To get a bigger normie audience entertainment companies need to get rid of their hardcore fans. Look at how big Marvels/DCs numbers got or DND. Even video games blew up once they became mainstream.
I want to clarify I do not see this as a good thing. But as a business you want the biggest numbers possible. Quantity greater quality.

>>33709709
Grimmest grim ever.

>>33709709
Chuubas that do not collab with males have unicorn and non-unicorn fanbase.
Chuubas that collab with males have non-unicorn fanbase.
If a chuuba that did not collab with males start to collab with males, unicorns fuck off. It is just simple mathematics.

>>33709761
She always play debuff games though

>>33709523
I was surprised to find out Tomoshika and Pikamee are borderline 3views now.
I guess they also lost their "I speak English" debuffs they had during 2020?

>>33709818
Got the (You)'s, I'm satisfied.

>>33709695
Shit at getting lots of VOD views? Maybe, but her content isn't targeted at farming VOD views so that's a strange thing to insult her over.

>>33709793
"Address" is a wrong word for it, maybe more in the line of "mention".

>>33709760
What's there to talk about? Holo is running away with gold on both tallies while the sisters don't want to talk about much because of the very real recline of NijiEN.

>>33709695
The answer is because she is consistently menhera and takes breaks like I told you anon. Both those things filter people. She has a bigger mindshare because Kiara really likes her and interacts with her

>>33709786
She drops below enna and ennafag wins

>>33709841
because en recline
same reason why mysta only got 12k for a collab with ironmouse and shoto even though this should have been a 20k stream

>>33709834
>got pumped and dumped by local e-celeb
Prime example of how to plummet your career

>>33709841
1. Debuff game
2. Male debuff
3. Boring ass stream
4. Mumei and kronii both haven't streamed much this month

>>33709880
isn't all content aimed at getting views

>>33708166
Sora is barely relevant, Mikochi has been much more of a pillar for the past 3-4 years.

>>33709709
>Gura AND Fauna funnels
>no overlap
>1 POV collab
this is not the "own" you think it is

>>33709873
I don't about Tomoshika but Pikamee starts to decline after she got her isekai model.

>>33709760
> another SMOK collab
they've been ramping up collabs for a while now.
I wonder if they're comforting doog.

>>33709701
>yet you don't see customer throwing a fit
You are absolutely missing the point.

The point is not
>the rest of the world is unnecessarily combative when provided bad service.
You are 100% right in what you are saying. In most of the world, people just don't go to shitty places with bad reputation.
That's the natural and civilized way to deal with this
>when a place is shitty, just don't go there again, and tell your friends not to go either

What I am highlighting here with the example provided with the Nroth American "tipping culture" is the depths North Americans go to defend incompetent service workers: you are REQUIRED to leave a tip even if the service was so below par you will never set foot in the place again.
It is not socially acceptable for you to complain, it is not socially acceptable for you to even EXPRESS displeasure by withholding the supposedly OPTIONAL tip.
You pretty much have the right to remain silent, MAYBE passively agressively leave a smaller tip and to not to come back to the establishment again.

This has no parallel ion the rest of the civilized world.

>>33709881
I highly doubt she did that, much less if it was just a simple mention.

>>33709852
for every 1 succesful case there are 10+ companies who go completely broke due to losing their old fans and not faining new ones because they become souless trash

>>33709890
does kiara really have all that power

>>33709968
>>no overlap
IRyS...
But yeah Gura and Fauna overlap and nothing but that is fucking ridiculous considering Fauna got a 3k overlap from Mumei/Ame alone and those were probably already sharing viewers because it was a collab

>>33709852
>Look at how big Marvels/DCs numbers got
you do realize comic books are dying because they did that right?

>>33709970
God I fucking hate this model, it's so generic and shit. She literally lost her individuality because of this shit.

>>33709968
Isn't the whole point to shit on those numbers....

>>33709857

>>33709850
The magic number is 3. EN3 will do some voodoo shit that somehow converts normies into closet unicorns.

>>33709709
Here is a # for you:
Even if she reclines to 5k streamer she will still be as popular and sellout merch while you wrangle around her ccv

>>33709630
Bro I wasn't even aware of that lmao. I was thinking more of how they reduced streamer revenue, ways to find new streamers and pushed for very frequent and longer ad breaks.

>>33709966
Kys 35tard, where is your skin?

>>33709675
> EN needs that fans segregration

Agreed, there needs to be a clear statement of who will and who won't, it doesn't need to be super direct, but being subtle in giving your stance on debut would save everyone alot of trouble. I understand somewhat why this didn't happen with gen 2, but gen 3 has no excuse in making it clear. Just say 'I look forward to collabing with Hololive' if you are going to keep true to the JP experience, or 'I look forward to collabing with Holopro' if you are intent on collabing with males. Giving statements of intent like this which are subtle enough to fly over the heads of those who want drama, but can be differentiated for those who are looking for the signs can go a long way towards harmonious debuts and reducing fan dissatisfaction from spurned expectations.

>>33709873
Tomoshika has always been a 3view and her month-long OP watchalong definitely did not help
Pikamee hovers around 1-2k on YT, and higher on twitch due to react content and magic twitch numbers
>>33709970
also, this (tho she was already reclining due to the 2020-21 EN scene explosion)

>>33710035
anon who cares about that, even the iluna shitters make bank, we're here for different reasons

>i have been telling people here about the EN recline trend since the start of the year, every month but I get bullied by hardcore EN fans
>myth's pathetic anniversary numbers compared to last years what all it took for people to accept it
I feel validated.

>>33710035
she couldn't even sell her omocat merch anon. In fact, none of council have except mumei.

Numbers do I have a fun one for you to marvel at.

you nerds are missing kino with this KobAlt stream

>>33710018
IRyS is her own little box, she barely looses viewer or gains viewers when someone else starts their stream, her viewers only watch her for the most part

>>33710089
If you're right you will be right soon anon. Hindsight is 20 20

>>33709481
>Being a pillar doesn't mean you have to support the homo too.
Anon, being a "Pillar" goes far more than just having big numbers
It's to support Holo Pro and Cover's vision
And in that vision there will be Star, no matter how people bitch about it
IF, and only IF YAGOO, Sora and Foob are removed from that equation, then maybe it can change to something else. But as long as those three still around, then you can guarantee there will be a place for Star

>>33710032
Good for Fauna holding her ground alone

>>33708516
nah Ame is closer to being EN Fubuki, they both more known as BTS guy helping other talent, Sora is just different case, special case, she reached her status become the symbol and set the example

>>33710102
i don't watch faggots

>>33710159
based

Twitch under investigation for grooming minors, users and their mods doing tax evasion and some other crap about sexual abuse, gambling etc. Will we see more vtubers move over to Youtube in the future? I wanna see how well they do honestly

>>33710032
graduate mumei

>>33709873
It was the loss of magnet that lost me as a viewer. It just wasn't the same...

>>33710089
The EN side has been coping till recently. It's sad the the EN vtuber market hasn't made great strides as it should have.

>>33709630
Holy shit, pedos on Twitch!?
What is the world coming to, will they find pedophiles in local pizzerias next!?

>>33710102
Eh I'm watching kino SMOK

>>33709958
At getting VOD views? No? If she wanted to farm VOD views she'd be uploading shorts and clips and grinding 12 hour long streams every day. Not even sure why you're trying to sling brickbats at her here when half of Council and holoX wouldn't even be able to catch up with Nene's current views in a year's time at their current pace, despite having song videos that perform far better.

>>33710102
I ain't watching they are not having sex

>>33710114
Er no, she gets killed by overlap
Well, most get killed by overlap (except shork), but IRyS seems to be like 3rd choice or so for the general EN fanbase

>>33710074
>iLuna make bank
Why some of their members crying about growth or relevancy then
Getting mogged by Tempus in SC and memberships is not a good sign

>>33709984
>North Americans go to defend incompetent service workers
>he says this when japs do the same thing with how they just put someone in the retirement department rather than firing someone

>>33709473
Just noticed Nobuhime still has memberships
Where does this money even go? Upd8 is dead

>>33709970
>>33710020
>God I fucking hate this model, it's so generic and shit.
HOLY SHIT, you are 100% right! The one thing I LOVED about Pikamee is the the same thing I LOVED about
>Gleipnir: the anime

It was not the generic and mediocre "everybody is doing it"

>>33709709
You wanna know how bad it was? IRyS got about as much of a funnel from Reine/Gura on part 4 of a playthrough as Kronii/Mumei did on a single POV collab.

>>33709984
>the rest of the world is unnecessarily combative when provided bad service.
No you faggot, it's the fucking opposite.
Even your analogy to tipping culture doesn't work, tipping encourages customer entitlement, not service workers.
You feel entitled to services because you "tip" them, you personally give them money.

>>33710232
Uh... isn't that just ripoff Danganronpa?

>>33710114
Irys and Mumei especially are notorious for getting fucking murdered by overlaps

>>33710097
If she releases the merch today, she will still sell the same amount

>>33710141
She actually held her ground up until the Gura/Reine and Mumei/Kronii collab started. People seem to like her at least. I'm worried about today though, with her getting overlapped again. It's fucking ridiculous that they seem to keep enroaching on her territory for literally no reason

>>33710159
based

>>33710033
For that those 5 from EN3 have to be Gura fans loyalist like Fauna.