/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>33693777

How long until Kronii has a breakdown over her numbers plummeting?

>>33696168
A bet was made yesterday in another thread that it won't last 1 week.

>>33696168
5 days

>>33696168
Kronii will probably gaslight herself into thinking that nosediving viewership doesn't really matter as long as she gets twitter likes

>>33693777
Her numbers have been fine haven't they? She seems to be getting the same number of viewers as she was before, but I'm not sure since I don't watch her consistently.

>>33693777
>nearly 9k peak
in what world is that bad for regular collab

>>33696432
Single PoV stream with Mumei who is probably the most popular Council at this point? Not cracking 10k is pretty awful. Half the viewers were there for Mumei which means Kronii would've been under 5k by herself which puts her in shit tier territory alongside Mori, another Holo who burned her career

The numbers are whatever, what you really need to pay attention to is her paypigs. See which ones left and which ones stick around. I'm guessing the majority will stay until a new gen debuts, then they can leave and start fresh if they want.

>>33696432
Unironically a debuff at this point.

Ok

Kronii stopped sacrificing her mental health to satisfy unicucks.
She is now more free to do what she wants. Her mental health will improve a bit in expense of some loss of money from manipulative unicucks.

>>33696168
What I wanna knows is if she'll be the first EN 3view chubba.....

>>33696579
>singing stream
kill yourself disingenuous nigger

>>33697095
Be sure to be there for her 2-3 months from now ok?

>>33697095
>Kronii will be less successful in every metric but she still wins!
Trannycope, enjoy your dead branch when there's no moral crusade anymore and the last dregs move on to ruin some other hobby

>>33697095
YWNBAW

>Kroniichiwa...
>close stream
you have my support Kronii

>>33697095
>manipulative unicucks
kek. i guess watching a stream is manipulation now

>>33697161
It is ok to ruin the the health of the chuubas as long as unicucks are satisfied by the delusions they are selling. Ok. Thanks for the learnings you unicucks are teaching to us.

>numberfags

>>33693777
What was with that dip at the start?

>>33697135
>says the one who is actually not there for her when she needs it the most.

>>33697315
Transition from pre stream waiting room to the actual live stream

Reine Gura indog learning has more viewers and that is despite indogs refuse to watch Gura for they are still carrying the Iofi amogus grudge after a freaking 2 years holy pettiness of chink level

>>33697121
Tell her to sing then... OH WAIT A MINUTE! She said you can't tell her what to do! Too bad!!

>>33697278
Watching a stream is not manipulation. Forcing her to do your bidding is manipulation. If she does not want to entertain you, fuck off and find another. If she loses her popularity, it's her choice. Nobody must be blamed but only her. Do not blame the imaginary trannies you have in your head.

>>33697279
"Ruin the health of the chuubas"? Holy shit you trannies live in fantasy land. Kronii could've talked to the homos in her personal time, she could've flown over to them and fucked them if she wanted. All people asked was for her to keep them out of her actual Hololive content which is not an unreasonable request and apparently having homo content on her channel is so important to Kronii she'll tank her entire career to do it. It's a completely irrational decision and Kronii fucked herself over for the smallest of issues because she got sucked in by Mori into being a proxy for her eternal battle to change Hololive into Vshojo

>>33697106
lolno, it'll be one of the homos, probs the blue fag

seems to still be pulling more viewers than mumei, weird

>>33697121
Kronii could do her own singing stream, oh wait no she won't because she hates you and will never give you good content because she's a retard who thinks spiting greyfags is more important than doing her fucking job

>>33697328
would you be there for your girlfriend to help her through the emotional turmoil her cheating caused her?

>>33693777
It amazes me how you retards act like most people care about this. It’s like 1% of viewers who care. Maybe 5% of super chatters/members. Those are good numbers for that garbage game.

>>33697328
>so you wont be there for her in the future.....
>GRIM....

>>33697399
i never mentioned trannies KEK
alright alright, it's not like she's an entertainer or anything, i get it. oh right she is, but only your kind deserve entertainment from her. ok.

>>33697468
>equivocating females collabing with m*les with a cheating girlfriend
The absolute state of unicucks! bwahahahaha! You are all sick in the head!

>>33697328
She'll need you most in 2-4 months when the full weight of the realization of how badly following Moris advice fucked her over and that she effectively killed a career that could've had her set for the rest of her life if she just stayed the course.

>>33697460
Ame is unironically a debuff now after all the shit she pulled

>>33697547
You did not mention trannies. Then what is this?
>>33693777
>>33697161
>>33697407

>>33697623
Are you retarded? Do you think there's only 1 dude on 4chan besides you?

>Kroniichitrannies...
>close stream

>>33697623
Tranny newfag lol.

>>33693777
>6-8k bad
HOLOLIVE really warps your perception of what is good or bad ccv

>>33697683
we're all samefagging anon. dont act like you're not me

>>33697623
delusional FAGGOT!
>you cant make this shit up! KEK!

>>33697711
It's not as if any holomem is gonna starve to death. Even the lowest earning like Choco or Roboco make what would anywhere be an upper class salary. But you'd be surprised how much suddenly making 200k when you were two months ago 300k can cause someone to panic.

>>33697407
What you are asking is reasonable, actually. But it is what it is. She wants to change her content. Her viewership dropping is normal. She chose that path. It is up to her if she can survive without unicorns.

>>33697407
>Kronii could've talked to the homos in her personal time, she could've flown over to them and fucked them if she wanted.
You don't understand. Interacting with men in her personal life isn't enough. She needs to do it publicly on stream to signal her status as a desired female. Fuck her career she'll burn it all to the ground just to make sure everyone knows she's worthy of Chad Vtuber's attention.

>>33697582
no one is obligated to give someone money retard. its a perfect analogy in this situation because, despite the gachikoi retardation, there IS a point of commonality between vtubers and girlfriends. They both suck up money ungreatfully. Make sure to pay up, you know, since you made it clear thats the right thing to do.

>>33697789
Yeah my basic view is that, especially this close to debut, it's fair game to decide how you want to change your presentation and audience. Kronii deciding to drop GFE and male collab is a valid decision.
She just went about it in the worst way possible, showing how menhera she is and also stigmatizing a completely valid part of her fanbase. She could've done this a million other ways and things would've been fine. Things are still going to be fine, but for a much larger than you'd think minority her image is ruined. I'm just an IRyStocrat who barely keeps up with drama and Kronii is legit ruined for me.

>>33697789
Kronii doesn't exist in a vacuum. She works within Hololive, she has a responsibility to uphold the culture that the senpai who came before her built and to help grow Hololive. Her making such a strong stand to collab with Homos impacts the others because it gives the impression EN really is a mixed gender branch and that there is no separation between Holostars and Hololive. It's going to cause issues because the homobeggars will be emboldened and harass Gura to cave in.

I pin the blame on Mori, she's always been the one who wants to change Hololive into what she wants it to be, and has never had the slightest shred of respect for the brand.

>>33697863
>stigmatizing several completely valid parts of her fanbase.
Fixed that for you. Unfortunately, blaming shippers and insulting maidenless viewers is a thing.

>>33697885
To be completely fair, opening a new branch is a time to open it up to new cultures and we're well in the period where HoloEN can define itself. It's defining itself as something I don't really want it to be, but I can't pretend they're not operating within etiquette for this kind of thing.
My personal take is that the worst looking person here is Kronii. She just looks like a moron, and menhera in all the ways that are completely unattractive. Menhera spitting at where you came from moments are completely unattractive to me.

>>33697547
trannies like to self immolate
it's fun to watch and drag everyone down with them
the purity test is see who bows to them
kronii does, so she gotta go.
a fallen idol
good riddance

>>33697714
I wrote this, btw

>>33697460
vod views cope RUMAO
Kronii
>8,370 peak
Mumei pov
>5,676 peak
Ame pov
>6,679 peak

>>33697967
I can't see vtubing ever making a foothold in normie culture. It will always be an otaku thing. Even watching anime is still looked down on by most people. Trying to appeal to these groups is going to be disastrous because they'll start petitioning to change Hololive in bad ways. Ready for the complaints about Gura being aimed at pedophiles? They're coming.

>>33698038
I was thinking more EN wanted to establish itself as NijiEN essentially.

>>33697279
>it is okay to ruin the health of men as long as the waman are satisfied by the services the jew employing them provide. ok. thanks for learnings you waman are teaching us.
your esl is bad but your arguements are worse, shitskin.

>>33698116
Does...does this woman end up happy?

>>33698085
>NijiEN Lite for correction

>>33697754
One thing to note is that unlike if you were a Big Five computer engineer or data scientist making the same amount in the valley, all that money isn't going into your pocket. That's your operating budget as well. Cover isn't paying shit, that's part of the deal. That's why you get such a big cut.

It's "up to you", of course, how you use it. But buying new games, hardware, commissioning art, assets, MVs, dance/singing/Japanese lessons, flying overseas for off-collabs - all that is coming out of your "income". And who knows how much they're worried about keeping up with the Joneses, especially within their own branch. When all your fans are going "Woww did you see the latest animated MV from X, it's so wonderful, we would love to see you do one" and you know that you COULD definitely afford it but, well, you're basically blanking your earnings for just that month if you go through with it, that could definitely sting.

Who knows, that was what led Sana to leave. Sure, she was almost definitely making six figures a year even with low viewership and membership, but after you set aside all the associated spending costs, combined with the need to constantly be giving input for projects and communicating with slow bureaucracy, she might have just been "this is far from worth it and will end up killing me".

>>33698085
Why? NijiEN does what it does better than HoloEN ever will and the audience for that low brow humor is even smaller than the audience who just wants good old family friendly gaming with an anime character

>>33698154
doesn't matter if she does or doesn't, the cold truth is every single flesh and blood whore has no shame and would never, EVER think negatively about themselves over how much dick they took. Even the cuck is better off fantasizing with 2d than dealing with 3dpd whores.

>>33698294
Based

>>33697754
>Even the lowest earning like Choco or Roboco make what would anywhere be an upper class salary.
That's not even vaguely true. You think 1 yen equals 1 dollar, don't you?

>>33698230
good for her, I have several sick family members to take care of and a near minimum wage job I can barely support the people I care about. I'd do all of that shit in a heartbeat but I'm not lucky nor do I have the time to make my own luck. I wasn't born with a fucking vagina so sucks to be me.

>>33698230
Yeah and I mean, there really is a good chance EN3 is just gonna have a Kronii killer in it. Kronii was already a Mori killer and frankly... she basically was. Hell, Kaela alone is sucking up a lot of Kronii's fanbase. Imagine if a girl without the ID debuff comes along and stakes a claim on that basic territory.
I've got a feeling EN3 of all the EN branches is going to be more professional, but also more realistic about trying to actively numberfag. It's not a coincidence that the numberfagging queen Pekora came in the third gen. It's spread far and wide just how lucrative this gig can be, and all kinds of girls auditioning for Hololive have seen just how much EN shits up their free win card. EN3 is gonna come in and subtly work to mog Myth and Council, and I can honestly only see Kiara and Fauna working to actually keep up.

>>33698379
Even if you were born with a vagina in the current culture you'd grow up so spoiled and entitled you'd throw away hundreds of thousands of dollars a year just to stick your finger up at the incels

>>33698360
Do they not make low six figure salaries in terms of USD?

>>33698403
I really want someone in EN who has ambition. Who loves Hololive, actually WANTS to stream for a living and create content and wakes up every day wanting to log on and stream. Now that I think of it not having a single person like that in EN is such an enormous failure. And no Kiara doesn't count she wants the adoration that comes with streaming but barely puts any effort into being a good streamer.

>>33698154
Yes. The guy marries her, saying it's totally fine if she sleeps with whoever she wants, even while they're a couple.

Look up Scum's Wish if you want the source.

>>33698493
I mean... Kiara does count. Even though she's menhera and clearly doesn't have a great eye for what people like. It's less lack of effort and more lack of talent

>>33698520
Well that sucks. She fucks other dudes while they're married?

>>33698493
I could do that, but I'm a dude, so...

>>33698426
maybe I would. It's not like I was raised right to begin with, but none the less, I am uniquely unfortunate, far from the worse off crack den level of shit, but just enough untouchable dreams and nobody fucking cares to be painful. I sacrifice the bulk of my income to parasitic boomers I cant bare to abandon, and yet there are people here throwing away a position I'm desperate to have. even just making the profit I make now at work from home to start would be fine, but 2k a month isn't something you can just make happen. why do these whores not have anyone they care about that they would endure this shit to get the money for? are they really so shallow?

>>33698560
>she fucks...
Yep. She fucked her student as well while dating the guy.
>well that sucks
I'd rather be loved for who I am and be able to come home to someone I love, even if I'm a slut that just wants some variety to my sex life, than live some boring, unsatisfying lifestyle because someone said it's the only moral way to live.

>>33698493
Never gonna happen.

The passion of being in Hololive has been supplanted by the $$$ signs that come with getting in. The old Hololive died with Gen 5, now you get sluts like La+, lazy recruits like Council, Ollie, and leeches like Tempus.

>>33697616
numberfags being wrong about everything will never not be funny

>>33698379
1. Vox Akuma is more successful than any female vtuber on any platform atm.
2. I bet you'd be a boring incel even if you were a girl.

>>33698670
living a chaste monogamous life style is a requirement to building a life because the very concept of an open relationship you described invites the whore you are to move up to the next guy when you get bored of the one you "come home to"
you always betray.

>>33698670
yeah but... i wouldn't love you then.

>>33698670
You'd rather be a cuck and live a hedonistic life than have integrity and live a life where you stand by your values. That's sad anon, you're living like a bugman, not a human.

>>33698786
>well what if you where more successful because you didn't have a vagina,
I still would be fucked because I don't have money retard. you need a safety net and disposable income to be a vtuber without a backer or company.
>y-you would be an incel
theres no such thing as an incel. all incels are volcels.

>>33698838
did you know ants pass the mirror test? dont be disrespectful to bugs, theyre not cucks.

>>33698624
mate amelia comes from a poor as fuck family and her first PC desktop was literally garbage she found in an alleyway that she dragged all the way home by herself because her auntie couldn't afford to buy her both a desk and a computer. the first thing she did with her hololive paycheck was buy her aunt a used car because she didn't have one after it got repossessed. even then she's the one member of EN who probably cares about making money the least and invests the earnings she gets from her stream back into the stream, she fucking set up a 3D studio in her living room which probably cost $10,000 dollars for the equipment at minimum. i'm not gonna say it isn't about the money because i'm sure she wouldn't be doing that if she wasn't making a comfortable income as she is but some people value integrity and principles more than making a few thousand more dollars per month and no matter how much you losers call her a whore she's a far better person than you retards who chimp out because she's supporting her coworkers.

>>33696168
Never

>>33698435
Hmm.
Roboco has 423K in SC - channel started in Feb 2018, so now it's been about 4.5 years - works out to 94K total SC income a year, which is about 33K after Cover and YT cuts.
These were ancient 2020 membership scraper numbers. Who knows, let's say the real numbers are twice this now. Then she's pulling 3.6K a month from that.
So total it's 76K a year.
Then we have an unspecified amount from merch, minus an unspecified amount from job specific expenses. Remember, Cover isn't paying for their mics, PCs, lessons, covers, etc.
So Roboco might break 100K. Choco, almost definitely not.

>>33698946
She said all that? If it's true I can respect that. Someone who doesn't forget where they came from is legit. Anyway, Ame's yabs were mildly annoying but they're nothing compared to blue woman's

>>33693777
it's stillf ucking 8k people, she's still making bank with better audience that stayed, probably enjoying her job more now even though she makes like 10% less

>>33698966
Yeah but merch could be most of their income

>>33698816
I can't betray you by cheating if you gave me permission, and if the relationship isn't working out anyways, it just isn't working out.
So where does the betrayal come in?

>>33698817
OK.

>>33698838
Hedonism is pretty great sometimes. And I don't kink shame.

>>33698946
tl;dr improve yourselves

>>33698946
>y-you hate ame
way to project.
>the first thing she did with her hololive paycheck was buy a used car for someone
I already do that kind of thing with the meager shit I have kicking around now. Did you just ignore the part where I said all of my disposable income is tied up helping family? Boy, it sure would be nice to have a vagina and have roles like that just handed to me. nobody, literally no one, has ever given me a free be outside of a very small anuity from a death in the family. guess where most of that money went back to. you guessed it, people I care about.

>>33699007
Merch is no doubt a significant part, but it's unlikely because if it was most they'll shill it far, far more. Like 'Suisei puts concert splash art at the beginning and end of every single stream and on her just chatting' sort of shilling.
Most is probably from membership. And if you're not already willing to invest the cost of half a Starbucks drink a month to be a member, you're far less likely to buy the merch.

Also remember that Cover requires them to pay a portion of the cost for manufacturing merch upfront, with things like Lamy receiving a negative paycheck one month for it, so the 'we receive the largest portion from merch' might just be creative accounting.

>>33699085
i don't really care about going to a first principles argument on this, but practically speaking open relationships are just free cheating cards where one person suggests it knowing they have someone they want to fuck and the other person kowtows because they can't set and maintain boundaries. every polyamorous person i've ever known has been incredibly dysfunctional, too.
i have a hard time believing in the practical viability of it, seeing as i've never seen someone who was poly that wasn't a total piece of shit

>>33699085
>I can't betray you by cheating if you gave me permission
You're gonna find very few people that would, and the few that do are themselves broken in some way. You are gonna have to deal with it at some point.

>>33697407
>>33697607
>>33697885
>believing kronies "Mori did this" cope
That bitch is too stupid for trying to influence anybody and she doesn't care about hololive enough to try and change it.

>>33699085
>I can't betray you by cheating if you gave me permission, and if the relationship isn't working out anyways, it just isn't working out.
I would never date someone who would do that, and anyone who would accept that you would do that is a fucking moron or just treats you as a pump and dump anyway. either way, you deserve eachother.
>where does the betrayal come in
usually starts with you taking the kids and most of the money.

>>33698742
>Under 100k
KEK

>>33699124
>>33698886
>I still would be fucked because I don't have money retard. you need a safety net and disposable income to be a vtuber without a backer or company.
the only thing you really need is a microphone and free time. can't afford a Live2D? use a 3D model which is cheaper. can't afford that? use a PNG. can't be assed to do that either? just stream without facecam or PNG or a Live2D or a 3D model.
>but I can't compete with the saturated market without a model
cope. fucking everyone in tempus was a 2-3view.

>>33698886
>still would be fucked
Fair.
>theres no such thing as an incel. all incels are volcels.
This is actually some based shit. But it is true that it's way easier to have sex when you're hot and not completely insufferable to the point where you call yourself an incel.

>>33699124
This 'woe is me for am I not a girl' thing didn't fly even when Luxiem didn't exist. 99 of 100 of the top streamers on Twitch are male. It just sounds like you have a bee in your bonnet about this very specific niche of a huge field where men overwhelmingly dominate to the point people whine (irritatingly to you, likely) that there is a glass ceiling for women.

>>33699283
i didn't know that streamerfact. that said, glass ceiling arguments are bullshit.

>>33699220
Damn, someone had a messy divorce.

>>33699325
It's easier for women to get to the mid-level of streamers, but harder for them to be at the very top. It's not really a glass ceiling thing, just something that happens when your target audience is the opposite sex.

>>33699283
Male streamers need to be good at what they do. Women just need to be attractive and even that barrier is removed for vtubers.

>>33696168
Little chance, I think she already prepared for her number to plummet. At least that's what mindset I'll go if I decided to dispose my gachi for some reason.
but idk, she might actually, remembering the whole situation happened because of her weak mental state.

>>33699429
I think the real question here is if the plummeting effect happens to Holos. As far as I know, no Holo has yabbed enough for a serious plummet to happen. Even Ame's only seemed like she mildly debuffed.
Let's see in a couple of months if Kronii is suddenly at 2k views

>>33693777
>already headed in niji girl trajectory
Was it worth it?

>>33699268
>free time
tied up in my job and caring for aforementioned family.
I visit my family 3 times a week, I used to literally live in an attic there until they chimped out over something stupid and I couldn't handle living there anymore. Despite that I pay them 500 when I lived there. I still handle all of their household chores, run errands and get them groceries, work a full time job, and for the past 2 years also went to school, not that it actually landed me a position, just wasted more and more of my time. Between all the shit I do I cant even spare a day or two to fix my barely running car. being a vtuber full time is an impossible dream for me without financial help or me just randomly winning at getting a promotion or high paying job. It's never going to happen. I never even get calls back.

>>33699283
you realize those people are charming or play competitive popular games right? theres no way I could do any of that, I'm awful at video games, awful at reaction time in general.

>>33699342
no, just a victim of two divorces as the child.
>it's not working out then its not working out
think about your children not yourself.

>>33699403
this.

>>33699551
>think about your children not yourself.
Yeah. I wouldn't have kids if I decided to have that kind of lifestyle. That sucks anon.

>>33697967
If Hololive EN wanted to go a different path than it's Japanese counterpart, branding it "Hololive" was a massive mistake. Honestly, it was clear from the start managers had no faith in the "idol" aspect of Hololive selling well in the west, and Kiara's numbers, who was originally supposed to be the sole idol of Myth, inadvertently suggested they were right. They didn't take into account that the initial surge of popularity would die down and that the only people watching and downdraft money were people who liked Hololive for the idol stuff. They also weren't banking on Gura taking the same idol route and warming up her primarily casual fans to idol culture, and that's why they've been stifling her at every opportunity. They ironically don't want Gura to succeed as an idol because it would prove their entire marketing wrong, which is why Gura is learning JP and getting closer to her JP coworkers. Getting the JP talents to vouch her and tell their managers they wanna work with Gura allows Gura to circumvent her shitty manager team who doesn't even know who Hatsune Miku is, the literal basis of vtuber idols. That's why her concert was all JP members, they can pull the strings to get Gura the jobs she wants.

>>33697367
deserved, fuck chumbies

>>33699522
Niji girls are at least funny.

>>33699485
Matsuri used to pull an easy 8 to 10k for anything she streamed. Today 4k views on anything but Rust is eyebrow-raising.
The issue is never mainly the viewers that go "I hate you" - hell, they might even hatewatch. The issue is the viewers who drift away with a "nowadays I just like other vtubers better" if you have nothing to hold them to you over others.

>>33699614
>who doesn't even know who Hatsune Miku is
How the fuck did this dipshit get hired, what the hell

>>33699429
She got tricked by Mori. Doubly scummy because Mori already went down this road and knows for a fact that it killed her numbers.
>Can only get above 10k for a "big announcement" stream and most of the people showing up probably hoped it was graduation

>>33699668
yeah but didn't matsuri just spend like a year or two only streaming some FPS she wasn't even good at. i think it's a little different.

>>33699614
wait, who doesn't know who hatsune miku is? are you serious? is EN management this fucking retarded? i'm gonna kill myself

>>33699614
this is interesting and makes sense to me because gura, for all her drama, seems the most like a real idol, which is rare on vtubers as I dont really consider them idols. She has real pipes on her, she can sing amazingly well and should be hired for her voice alone.

>>33693777
Tourist here, what her her numbers before?

>>33699614
Meds

>>33699694
>>33699735
Omegatranny is a literal, a LITERAL twitter tranny. He has a tranny flag in his real twitter bio. You have no fucking idea how bad EN management is behind the scenes.

>>33699735
This never happened. Some anon made a comment that Omega "probably doesn't even know who Miku is" and everyone started repeating it as gospel.

>>33699668
>if you have nothing to hold them to you over others
Gundou Mirei actually said something about this after her experience in the maid Cafe industry. Something along the lines of:
>You need to take an angle that nobody else has and make yourself stand out, otherwise you'll never get anywhere
And
>If you take a break and someone else is using your gimmick when you come back, you DIE.

And I think Matsuri just doesn't have anything special. There's more degenerate vtubers out there, hololive is telling her to chill out, and what the hell else is interesting about her? That she's a simp?

>>33699800
Screech and seethe.

>>33699837
i dont watch her but i would like to fuck her cheerleader body. and sometimes i want to save her. but i don't watch jp because i don't understand japanese

>>33697967
>To be completely fair, opening a new branch is a time to open it up to new cultures and we're well in the period where HoloEN can define itself.

>Hololive is incredibly succesfull, dominating the market to the point the word Hololive is synonymous with vtubing
>Niji, riding Hololive's coattails is a disaster, debuting new talents every week who often fail to reach 4 number viewers, Their heavy hitters getting the same amount of ccv with their brest performing stream in years as Pekora playing a random kusoge
Obviously we should try to copy niji, they seem to have AMAZING succes with their formula
EN management is beyond incompetent, bordering on malice, the saddest part is that this bullshit is affecting the entirety of HoloEN, go count the amount of times Gura brings up other HoloEN memebers before and after Homo debuts

>>33699703
>Can't even hit 10k with unarchived karaoke anymore
Jesas. The trannies pretending there has never been a drop in numbers caused by a yab are retarded. They pretend that it would be an over-night vertical drop, but in reality it's just a long term shedding of the kind of loyal fans that turn up day in day out to every stream.

>>33699703
male collabs didn't kill her numbers, the frequent breaks where she went to go do roommate tours and playing only debuff content did

>>33699881
I mean I get that their strategy seems a little unsustainable, but Anycolor does make more money in the end

>>33699862
>won't watch EN because the girls aren't "pure" enough for him"
>can't watch JP because he doesn't speak nip
>>>/vt/

>>33699707
I mean, Choco gained numbers when she went on her APEX marathon. Towa is not even flagging, with guys or not. Technically this is about the same thing though. The vtuber needs some x-factor that makes people think, "yeah I'm going to tune in over doing something else." Matsuri didn't have that for APEX. Does Kronii have that, once you boil down her audience to the people who see her as just another streamer?

>>33699975
anon seriously how do you not realize there's more than one poster in this thread. I do watch EN. I'm an IRyStocrat

>>33699268
right so I assume you fucked off then, either because you got tired or didn't have an answer, regardless, my situation can't be resolved in an easy way unless I can afford to quit my job. that would actually give me the time needed to stream.

>>33697407
She didn't even have to not collab with them. She just had to ignore the shit stirrers and containment breakers. Every time she engaged them, she put off more people who don't care and just want drama-free entertainment

>>33699909
>frequent breaks
Frequent breaks are like career suicide in streaming, and saying you don't care about appearing to be single just makes it worse. It's like shooting both feet instead of just one.

>meanwhile Towa got in deep shit just for having a guy's voice in the background once

>>33699991
well, she had a total sex model which she clearly hates. so that slowed down anyone who was looking for a sexy voice doomerposting streamer. and then she had menhera "save me vibes" and that makes the current kronie populace we have today. she's definitely still menhera, but...

>>33699881
>EN management is beyond incompetent, bordering on malice
EN management seems to hate everything Hololive stands for and the stories the JP talents have of them being fucking retards support that.

https://youtu.be/DFfutMHp7io

>>33699991
>Does Kronii have that
She's got hella underboob

>>33700086
this just sounds like the EN manager is a childish retard

>>33699551
>>33700038
You don't have to be a full-time streamer, you can stream casually for 2-3 hours a week. Becoming a twitch partner has a low entry barrier and from there it gets easier the more you grind.

>>33699703
Why put this on Mori when we don't even know if she gave any advice to Kronii.
This was Kronii all by herself.
>>33699896
It had nothing to do with lean arc or male collabs but her going AWOL back in summer whenever she would fly to US to her roommates concerts or con appearances.

>>33700071
>meanwhile Towa got in deep shit just for having a guy's voice in the background once
she got in deep shit because she threw managment under the bus and management refused to be complicit in her lie. also she's doing really well now despite collabing with outside males practically every week.

>>33699896
>The trannies pretending there has never been a drop in numbers caused by a yab are retarded.
Twitter trannies don't watch streams and they have no fucking idea what the numbers are. All that matters to them is that the vtubers they don't watch do exactly as they say.

>>33700071
It was a hand and it was more that she lied and said that it was her manager, who is at her house at 9 at night.

>>33700150
anon, i've been watching you two's back and forth and let me just say there are definitely people in the world who do not have the financial situation or the time to pursue something as low probability and high effort as a streaming career. the other anon does seem like a doomer, but i can think of times in my life that if i'd been stuck in them i would have a doomer outlook too.

>>33698230
>six figures
in what? zimbabwean dollar?

>>33700233
ZA HANDO was matsuri, and it wasn't even matsuri but her roommate. in towa's case she had forgotten that she had joined a voice channel on a personal discord server and someone started talking.

>>33700150
>2-3 hours a week
Yeah but you can't take breaks and you need a set schedule if you're gonna be that irregular. A week off when people were showing up every day is a lot for them.
>>33700220
>because she threw managment under the bus
Totally missed this.
And yeah, she actually has good content. She doesn't need to use sex appeal as a crutch.

>>33700233
Totally missed this. And that's honestly worse for optics than just having some random guy over wtf.

>>33700071
>Frequent breaks are like career suicide in streaming
Didn't help that she also didn't do anything on twitter either.

>>33698116
Watching her is not your job lmao, this does not affect your mental health

>>33700150
I dont want to stream on twich, my content should be on youtube.
>you don't have to be a full time streamer.
the kind of stuff I want to do isn't easy to do a 2-3 hour stream with.
more over, even if I where to do that I'd still have to wait weeks to get enough money just to have a basic model in the style I want (its really not that expensive compared to most either)
>>33700252
I'd be less of a doomer if I didn't have to work through covid while everyone else got money for free to reinvent themselves while I watched my 20k savings evaporate in front of my eyes due to shitty decisions, family emergencies, and more. Every corner life shanks me with another problem I'm too poor to deal with, and no one in my entire family wanted to get along or put in roots so theres no where I can go to boot strap. I invested a ton of my time into education and it's all ammounted to nothing. what if I worked harder instead and put that into the streaming stuff? It's all fucked and I know nobody is going to bail me out of this mess because I'm not some hot thot.

>>33700461
desu you would've been better collecting unemployment. i also worked through covid and remembered my unemployed friends making more money than me

>>33700452
no retard I'm comparing the jobs men do that affect their mental and physical health.
>>33700495
you can't collect unemployment unless you get laid off. quitting or getting terminated invalidates it.

>>33700461
>I dont want to stream on twich, my content should be on youtube.
you can start on twitch and then transition over to youtube after uploading twitch vods there and getting your channel monetized. twitch is unironically easier to make a streaming career on, it was made for that kind of thing.

>>33699281
True yes but the average person is average looking. If someone sees looks as their entry barrier, they are falling for the same beauty standard bullshit women do when they try to become a size 0 thinspo.

>>33693777
we won idolchads, I'm happy to know that twitter trannies don't result in views

>>33693777
Open up your mouth OR. I'm gonna impregnate your chink throat

>>33700447
Yeah, some nijis go on breaks pretty often, but they're uploading shorts constantly and still active on Twitter. That's rough for growth on its own, but you're just gonna go awol and expect things to be OK? Maybe just look into a new career if you're gonna treat your brand like that...

>>33699920
>but Anycolor does make more money in the end
They don't, you're forgetting sponsorship money, which dwarves superchats
You're also forgetting that the increased brand value is worth more than the difference in earnings, there are multi billion dollar companies that have never turned a single cent in profit for a reason

>>33700086
Sadly i wasn't directly involved so i don't know much details but my company was supposed to organize a sponsorship deal between Hololive and a client but it fell trough because Hololive's management basicly ghosted us, the funniest thing is that our MR department did all the heavy lifting and all they needed were a couple of confirmation e-mails to finish the deal, they just didn't bother answering
We were supposed to have a tie-in event at an expo which is the only reason i even know about it since i work in event planning not marketing
I have NEVER heard about something like that happening kek, Have you noticed how little sponsorship deals EN get's compared to the JP branch? with the one's they do get being either organised trough JP management or by the talents directly (Kiara)
I wondered how the fuck this happened, did they hire directly from Twitter or what?

She could've collabed with who ever she wanted and maintain a lot of her viewers if she was professional about it. I hope Hololive English management provide proper support and efficent counter measures in the future, fan purges never end well.

>>33700147
She's the one who went on stage saying she's horny.

>>33697407
>All people asked was for her to keep them out of her actual Hololive content which is not an unreasonable request and apparently having homo content on her channel is so important to Kronii
so don't watch her? I already moved on to a better chuuba.. stop complicating yourself with this stupid matter

>>33700641
god are you serious? i'm actually tearing my hair out reading this. i worked for a contractor once who had a huge multi million dollar deal basically set as long as he answered an email. dude forgot and he tried to brush it off like "you win some lose some."
hearing that hololive EN is badly managed just from a business standpoint drives me insane. it makes me wish i was at least a consultant who could tell the company how to stop fucking up.

>>33699637
Kronii was carried by her model which is why this move is more baffling.

>>33700641
>did they hire directly from Twitter or what?
Probably. The EN guys were hired back in early 2020 when Cover was still relatively small. Because EN turned out to be a smash hit those incompetent retards get to claim the glory and are probably untouchable now. It's very obvious that EN is incredibly poorly managed though

>>33700750
If you're gonna be management for talent in a multilingual industry, you shouldn't be the same grade human as some schmuck that only speaks English and watches translated clips.

>>33700750
so what? shes japanese. you cant walk up to someone you cant even speak the same language of and expect them to perform some trick like a dog.
>>33700795
missing an email like that would make me seriously consider just an heroing. just hearing your story already set me on edge and anxiety.

>>33697106
Wasn't that already Sana? Unless you mean consistently.

>>33698946
I membered Ame when Haachama went on her big hiatus. It was between her and Gura and I chose Ame for two reasons, her sob story and her chemistry with Haachama.
I finally dropped her a few weeks ago and am planning to member Gura. The first few months were pretty good, but increasingly her content weighed more and more heavily on Apex and Oblivion spam, later elden ring, and more and more of them were way too long for me to fit the vod into my daily schedule, especially once Haachama returned, and I found more and more that when I did watch Ame, her attitude annoyed me, especially the way she would beg for chat approval for something she was going to do anyway and then put her middle finger up at the people who disapproved when she was the one who asked for opinions in the first place. I guess the saviorfag halo wore off.
But hey it's cool. I've realized my mistake over the time of watching Gura more than Ame because her streams actually consistently align with my lifestyle and she doesn't drag her bullshit into the content. I quietly unmembered and unsubscribed from Ame and am moving on to someone who actually cares more about creating consistently good content than just shitting out hours of filler and taking your bad mood out on her audience

>>33693777
>twitter trannies
>watching streams

>>33700795
>god are you serious?
The saddest part is that our company's whole shtick is that we do EVERYTHING for you, which is why we are so much more expensive than our competitors
It's why the situation is so weird, we work with small companies all the time since they obviously can't do MR and run events on their own, so we are used to dealing with incompetent people yet never have we been fukcing hosted like a Tinder date kek

>>33701032
Should get on the phone to them. I bet EN management is filled with cucks who get phone anxiety lmao

>>33701032
it seriously annoys me to think that EN Management isn't just a bunch of incompetent fucks, but actually just discord-tier morons who lucked out and might literally run the EN branch into the ground when they were handed a silver spoon

>>33700625
>but they're uploading shorts constantly and still active on Twitter
She did talk about doing some kinda shorts(but never truly promising them) which never came.
I remember that even by the second con appearance /morig/ was getting sick and it was in constant fight mode but the worst shitstorm was when someone remembered that there had been zero members streams that month the whole weekend threads turned into war zone that didn't end until monday.

>>33700982
Sounds more like you came to dislike Ame's personality because you disagreed with her decisions and your enjoyment of her content tanked rather than her content actually changing. I don't see why Ame playing a game that she really enjoys like Oblivion and Elden is "filler."

>>33698946
That's a lot of text but she's still a bitch and a whore

>>33701253
and you're still a loser and an incel

>>33701102
>which never came
Yeah. Even when Nina was abroad doing content with luxiem, she had shorts scheduled every day she was gone, was active in off-collabs, and probably livetweeted too much.
And while Alban is away rn he's still on Twitter and has shorts scheduled regularly.

>>33701263
No such thing as an incel, all incels are volcels.

>>33701102
>>33701032
>>33700563
>>33700495
anyway thanks for all the (you)s, fags. Didn't really make me feel better but at least when I scream into the void someone listened, thats something.

Now I'm off to go help my family again.

>>33701310
good luck anon. I hope you get hit by a lucky streak

>>33701310
Good luck buddy. Wish you the best.

>>33696427
She is fact is, Op likely doesn't watch Kronii either in all likely hood.

>>33701344
>>33701356
thanks,

>>33693777

>>33701109
NTA but holy shit you're a newfag. Ame was sweet, energetic, and irresistibly cute when she debuted but she underwent an abrupt personality change last year and became low energy, passionless, and bizarrely hostile to her own audience. Her content has changed so much it could give you fucking whiplash. These days you only get glimpses of Golden Age Ame when she's engrossed in one of her big creative projects.

>>33701109
I found her attitude off-putting when I was on board with the decisions but I brushed it off through a combination of saviorfagging, sunk cost, and that she was still regularly producing content I enjoyed.
I call the long Apex and Oblivion streams filler because Ame doesn't have the talking points to fill 3 to 6 hours of repetitive gameplay without long periods of just playing the game and grunting, which regardless if she's having fun, I don't find entertaining and I don't have time for.

>>33701677
Dont spead lies

>>33701799
He's right though. Current Amelia is a massive cunt who regularly lashes out at her own viewers, is depressed, moody and a complete downer in most of her streams.

>>33701677
It's not 2021 anymore. Also 2020 Ame was a lot more prone to snapping than she is now. She hasn't changed, you just fell out of love.
>>33701796
I find the entertainment from those streams isn't because of her talking points but the way she interacts with the gameplay. If you don't care for the gameplay then obviously that's why those game streams aren't for you.

>>33701865
>Also 2020 Ame was a lot more prone to snapping than she is now.
"Amelia was always shit! She hasn't changed!"
What kind of argument is this kek

>>33701846
Yes. As proof add that stunt she pulled yesterday.
Petulant. Bitchy.
Unpleasant.

>>33701865
>snapping
at the game or the viewers cause i definitely sees more of the latter more often this year

>>33701928
No one's perfect, anon. In fact, Ame is perfect because she's realistically flawed. Makes her feel like a real person.

>>33701968
Go down to your local 7/11 and chat to some roasties for the same experience

>>33701952
>the viewers cause i definitely sees more of the latter more often this year
Anon, The Witcher 3? Building PPP?
>>33701992
So fragile.

>>33701928
i don't watch ame, but i'll point out that the reason i don't is because she snapped at viewers over some stupid witcher 3 thing back in 2020. if that was any indication of how she acted back then i would say it's reasonable to say she was worse

>>33697407
>change Hololive into Vshojo
I could've just ignore her, but if she's going to change holo from the inside, I'll resist to the end

>>33701799
>Dont spead lies
Everything I just said is completely true.

>>33701865
>Also 2020 Ame was a lot more prone to snapping
2020 Ame mostly got mad at games. 2022 Ame mostly gets mad at teamates.

>>33698294
Thots can wear a new skin, but thots never change

>>33702169
>2020 Ame mostly got mad at games. 2022 Ame mostly gets mad at teamates.
No, you just have less tolerance for her. Don't put this on Ame, because as someone who's been watching her since day 1 she really hasn't changed much at all, if anything she's gotten less temperamental because she's the type to quickly realize when she's in the wrong for something and apologize.

>>33702169
i at least sometimes watch ame clips and i really haven't ever seen anything nearly as bad as the witcher 3 chimp out

>>33702228
>if anything she's gotten less temperamental because she's the type to quickly realize when she's in the wrong for something and apologize.
Holy fuck you are completely delusional. She's an utter cunt through and through and has NEVER apologized for treating her fans like shit.

>>33701533
I'm retarded, what is the graph trying to show?

>>33693777
5k less than the previous game in this franchise that they played together... Grim.

Why are you retards stupid enough to post seriously in obvious bait threads?

>>33702280
I actually spend more time watching her than shitposting on this hell site, I'm not the delusional one. Your brain has been warped by all the shitposting.

>>33702289
It's from a niji yab where management was chastising some en girl over her flagging #'s over discord.
Viewers weren't meant to see it etc.

>>33702289
Gullibility of an average /vt/ visitor over time.

>>33701533
>>33702289
It's an edit of a Nijisanji discord leak. Who do you think makes most of these topics? Nijifags.

>>33701865
I like playing RPGs and Soulslikes I just don't enjoy watching someone play them unless they have something else to talk about during the inevitable large chunks of downtime.
Battle royale shit bores me to tears no matter what that's fair. I should have considered how autistic she is about battle royale shit before I membered in the first place, but at the time it was more weighted towards a late afternoon shorter stream of something and then a long night stream of something I didn't give a shit about. More and more she started doing the streams I was interested in the middle of the night or not at all and battle royale shit in her late afternoon time slot.

>>33702331
i can save her. who was it? if it's feesh nevermind

>>33699786
between 8k - 10k depending on the game being Minecraft or not.

>>33698379
Fren, I have a mountain of debt to pay because of my parents and a high risk job with average wage. I supported idol because I believed people can have dreams. Then those EN women shattered it.

>>33697095
If your mental health was threatened for a few bad superchats or comments, you're officially a fragile mentally ill twitter tranny.

>>33698493
Kaela and Koyori come to mind

>>33702404
Yugo, good luck with saving.

>>33702228
>No, you just have less tolerance for her.
Wrong.
>Don't put this on Ame, because as someone who's been watching her since day 1
You're definitely lying. You probably started watching her at some point this year.
>she really hasn't changed much at all
Pick a random Ame stream from 2020 and compare it to a random Ame stream from 2022. The amount of dead air and depressed low energy from 2022 Ame streams is fucking shocking compared to her constant silly gremlin noises and bright cheerful energy from 2020.
>if anything she's gotten less temperamental because she's the type to quickly realize when she's in the wrong for something and apologize.
Are you on drugs?

>>33702419
idk about that anon. pretty much anyone who has been twitter bandwagoned, including boomers and normies, have said it's an extremely painful experience. the thing is the EN girls get so much unending adulation that it'd be absurd to value the .01 percent of antis over the infinite love works, but yeah, i remember hearing some normal dude talk about how he was abused as a child and that cyber bandwagoning actually made him feel worse.
anyway, it's her career and the thing it's probably for the best she made this decision now instead of 3 months from now. again, she did it in the absolute worst way, but deciding to do male collabs was a valid decision (given the precedent set by bae and mori)

>>33699786
Numberwise it's about what I'd expect for the game. Botan 12k for her first episode of it with Towa and by the end of 5 episodes it had dropped off to 5k.

>>33702228
This is so blatantly untrue and delusional I'm almost tempted to think it's Watson herself trying to gaslight people

>>33702378
Well like I said, I just don't think she's your type of streamer. It's not about making good or bad content, it's about content that you enjoy. I like watching Ame playing Oblivion and Elden Ring because I think the way she plays those games is unconventional and funny, like how she cheesed the dual Gargoyle boss by making them jump off the cliffside. Gura does seem like a better fit for you though,

>>33702460
I... huh. Why's she have a male persona and avatar. seems pretty obvious why her numbers are low...

>>33702297
That was also when the Group was practically new so they had that sweet sweet New Group buff. Neither Kronii or Mumei hit past 10K beyond events or karaoke streams.

>>33699828
Gura straight up told her members her new manager doesn't know who Miku is. She even referenced this information during her 3D concert chat while they were discussing tri-color airlines. Her manager literally asked Gura if the green haired girl was Miku.

>>33698946
Charity is just her hobby anon. She just like to be seen as the savior, not because she feels grateful or anything

>>33702297
Botan went from over 12k to 8.5, to 6k with it. Nobody cares you shitposting Nijifag.

>>33702594
does her manager have anything to do with her concert being cut in half. i hate these cucks

>>33702477
>>33702525
You guys don't actually have an argument, huh?

>>33702617
>Comparing single PoV to dual PoV
Holy fucking cope. Plus Botan was playing it in the middle of the fucking day in JP time, Kronii was playing smack bang in NA prime time. They're not even remotely comparable.

>>33702677
Watson being cunty and moody during her streams this year is so obvious to any casual observer that you can disregard anyone who tries to argue otherwise.

>>33702617
Botan had two POVs.

>>33699614
I believe this. It all make sense with her interaction these days. Not to mention shark built her connection with JP quite early

>>33702570
>Neither Kronii or Mumei hit past 10K beyond events or karaoke streams.
Kronii: True. Mumei: False. Why do people make these statements without actually looking up the numbers?

>>33701677
>Ame was sweet, energetic, and irresistibly cute when she debuted

No she wasn't. She was always a gremlin type that snaps once and a while. It's why people like her.

>>33702655
Dude. Watch streams. Yes. She told us that. Management cut her concert in half.

>>33702719
Like I said, you just fell out of love and your tolerance for her being "cunty" went down. She has hardly changed.

>>33702719
Teacucks are blind to their oshi faults.

>>33702782
well i watched that stream and was under the impression it was on the JP side. if it was on the EN side i might actually choke a bitch

>>33702806
You have 3 people telling you otherwise retard and it's obvious you just started watching this year and are pretending to be an oldfag so I have no idea why you think continuing this charade is going to get you anywhere

>>33701677
Are you kidding me? She was always shitting on chat, even moreso the further back you go. There was no abrupt personality change. She just got comfortable. She's always had disdain for her fans. What actually happened was you goslings said 'yeah, fuck chat, they're annoying lol' and now you're getting the same shaft.

>>33702872
That's because this is an anti bait thread.

>>33702859
No, it probably was jp who did that. EN managers are at best in-betweens from cover to the girls, and at worst lazy niggers.

>>33702889
>>33702872
i honestly find it incredible that you fags can argue for so long about someone who is definitely a bitch, but specifically about whether she was always a bitch or just recently a bitch. who fucking cares? if you think she's a bitch it really shouldn't matter. the gun was shot. the chuuba's a corpse. you're literally arguing about whether the body is still warm and fuckable

>>33702677
What's your argument? Pretending the drastic changes in Ame's content and personality never happened?

>>33702990
I'm not pretending, it's the truth. Ame has always been sweet and kind but with a short temper and a bit of a spiteful streak. I still love her regardless.

>>33702951
Why do you assume I'm arguing. I'm presenting my perspective. I've never been a lover of Ame lol. I always felt she had spite for chat and her own fans. Hence why I never memebered her. Guess conversation is by default 'arguing' according to you.

>>33703035
this might be the most pedantic post i've ever read on this website

>>33702772
Buddy both was correct, Mumei doesn't get much viewership. She was legit getting less views than Ame yesterday in their collab, and regularly gets less than Kronii.

>>33701846
She was always like this, retard

>>33702683
Kronii was not playing Prime Time US, that would have been 8PM EST, when all of the US is out of work and school, not 11 PM EST when a shit ton of viewers are a sleep.

>>33702775
>She was always a gremlin type that snaps once and a while.
Ame used to be a funny cute salt gremlin. But now, and this is the best analogy I can think of, she's like an angry deflated balloon.

>>33698886
>theres no such thing as an incel. all incels are volcels.
insufferable normal faggot nigger. leave this board

>>33701846
Where the fuck have you been? Are you new? Or are you retarded? She. Has. Always. Been. Like. This.

>>33699668
Yeah if EN 3 debut now Kronii Ame and Mori number will plummet to the ground. Most EN watcher prefer new girls unless she's special

>>33703124
>Neither Kronii or Mumei hit past 10K beyond events or karaoke streams.
This was the claim. Just skimming back over her streams to the start of last month, she has 10 solo gaming streams that are 10k+.

>>33703223
There's more to the US than the East Coast, coper. She was playing at a time where pretty much the entire continent should've been able to watch

>>33703277
She's definitely changed. She used to put on a streamer persona to hide the cuntyness. Yes it slipped through early on but it was never the default state. Now it is.

>>33703357
this is called negative bias confirmation.

>>33703319
NTA, but there's a reason PAC-12 games are the least watched in college football. You'd have to be an idiot to not realize primetime revolves around EST

>>33701677
>Ame was
ame is

>>33703385
It's still a better timeslot than 2pm which is when Botan was playing.

>>33699614
At this point I just hope JP Management impose what Inuyama Tamaki did to her company, by splitting HoloEN by two brand, one using "Hololive" brand for anyone who want status quo and another brand for male collab.

>>33703277
>Amelia was always a cunt!
Honestly can't tell if this guy hates her or is trying to defend her

>>33697095
>dropping a streamer for not liking the content
>manipulative
actually delusional, you faggots are the only manipulators here

>>33700854
>>33700854
I think it's childish to ask, but the manager hasn't even done asked her to say it and Marine isn't the only person in that conversation who didn't speak the language of the other person. She presume it's what the manager wanted to hear. Or you can attribute the entire exchange to "manager didn't understand her properly and wanted her to say anything he/she could understand".
And even then it's such a far stretch from hating everything Hololive stands for. Like, he reacted positively to her saying the line. Ooki yabai.
I lived with people who were repeating stupid bastardizations of my language to me and I have friends who joke around about shit like that with me. I don't read any malice here, nor that Marine particularly minded it.

>>33703492
I don't need someone to pretend to be perfect all the time to love them. Maybe that's what you're here for but you're not me.

>>33703520
westoids are genuinely manipulative pieces of shit. they like to ride moral hobby horses as far as possible to garner clout.

>>33703492
Dude. Yeah. She always got pissy with chat when they tried to backseat, and at the same time would say backseating is okay if im stuck. She wants it her way. If you're still around and into her, yeah, she's a cunt, but you know what you're getting into if you watch her for a few hours. And recently, she's being consistent. Her way and fuck the lot of you. I don't know where this illusion comes from that she was even this little cinnamon bun.

>>33703277
>She. Has. Always. Been. Like. This.
You can't make that true no matter how many times you repeat it.

>>33693777
Don't worry, they'll come in force for the homo collab and then proceed to disappear like they were never there to begin with -- for both kronii and the holostars.

the only thing i'm getting from this debate is that i was right in choosing not to watch ame

>>33703593
She was different in 2020 and the first part of 2021 but this board has too many newfags to remember it.

>>33703643
Yeah I can definitely see that. That or they're just retarded and didn't interpret what was in front of them correctly.

>>33703643
lol, I assure you I'm a day 1 watcher. you're just weak and didn't love her after the honeymoon phase.

>>33699614
>That's why her concert was all JP members

Ahh yes, the beloved JP member Kronii. I forgot what gen was she in again?

Also everything you stated clearly comes from the product of an unhealthy mind. Seek help.

>>33703810
i mean you're being a pedant if you don't pretend it's telling that her concert was almost entirely JP, and the one EN member wasn't even myth

>>33703593
I remember the joke even back then being that she pretended to be cute to get into hololive and get affection, then turned around and went full shitlord the moment she got in.

>>33703849
>shitlord
go back

>>33700549
>I'm comparing the jobs men do that affect their mental and physical health
oh really
>Trannycope, enjoy your dead branch when there's no moral crusade anymore and the last dregs move on to ruin some other hobby
>your esl is bad but your arguements are worse, shitskin.
sure you did, mental health expert

>>33702772
>>33703294
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>>33699751
Idols do not make cum and cum jar jokes....

Sorry to inform you but no one in EN, and hardly anyone in JP acts like an idol. I'm getting the feeling you guys don't know what idols are.

>>33703832
the 3D concert was supposed to be for her birthday which would explain why Myth didn't appear for this one since they were cut out and transplanted for her hastily made Kanauru concert.

>>33703643
Not saying she hasn't changed or gotten worse, but I remember dropping her in one of her earliest minecraft streams because she was having a meltdown at chat over backseating.

>>33703902
cope

>>33703939
i mean it matches with her explanation of how her concert was supposed to be longer but it was cut down, but keep peddling your tribalist rrats that don't have any legs to stand on i guess

>>33703871
Ah, sorry, gremlin. My bad. Gotta call it gap moe instead of saying she put on an act to entertain her audience.

it's funny how some of you think you have any power whatsoever. you have nothing. you are nothing. you will always be nothing. keep crying though.
>>33703939
i know you are. but it's nice of you to let the rest of the thread know.

>>33704063
"no u" doesn't even make sense in this context. what would i be coping about?

>>33703896
Start counting retard.

>>33703896
Thanks for replaying for me. I'm convinced these people don't watch streams at all. They are trying to act as if Mumei and Kronii are not ruffly the same level of popularity. It's insane.

>>33704063
Who the fuck are you even talking to?

>>33704063
Thanks Arya. Very informative.

>>33704135
They're both getting clipped and talked about, which is all that really matters in the big picture. Beyond that it's just their paycheck and dickmeasuring with their numbers.

>>33701032
Is that why conventions are the only special streams they do outside of JP and kiara set up stuff? the managers are so intent on catching the more normie and extrovert audience that they forget making money is also important?

>>33704104
most of it was from more than a month ago dude, hell getting over it with fauna and the birthday were two months ago. and that other anon was wrong that all of it is from karaoke but a good part is, that and rust

>>33704357
Move the goalposts all you want, the claim that she doesn't pass 10k outside of events/karaoke is simply incorrect.

>>33704410
>Move the goalposts
it was (You) that used the arbitrary time of a month ago anon

>>33704450
Ok, so what time frame are we talking then? 2 weeks? Oh, it's still not true even then. 1 week? You think you're really going to get any accurate information about viewership looking at a single week? Stop fucking coping and just accept that the claim was incorrect.

Now I know OP is just trying to bait but why do the rest of you trust Wojcicki's CCV numbers again?

>>33697367
>Iofi
The eternally reclined, Western hating Indog. Let her stay irrelevant.

>>33704584
>Oh, it's still not true even then.
see >>33703896
the only one that isn't a buff is the variety stream

>>33704104
>90% of it is rust
lemao

>>33702614
You're that kind of faggot that thinks all charity is self serving so you delude yourself into thinking doing things for others isn't virtuous as you only care about yourself.

>>33704663
>the only one that isn't a buff
Moving goalposts again. Nobody said anything about excluding buff streams.

>>33704760
yeah that anon sounds like a retard

>>33703562
It's situation dependent you retard. I have friends who do that too, but if some retard higher up at work first conversation was them doing some stupid stereotype level gimmick of me I would be annoyed since I haven't gotten to know them and it's not an appropriate situation.

>Pekora still has the bugged car keys in her chest
lol just recycle them pekora...

>>33704800
>Nobody said anything about excluding buff streams
I'm not saying that either. learn to read

>>33703567
I love Fauna because I know there's no way she's like that irl all the time so she's got a very good streamer persona to be so sweet and fun for 4 hours at a time.

>>33704869
and that's perfectly fine, also she and ame should kiss because it would be hot

>>33704856
Kek. So what are you saying? The original claim was that moom doesn't break 10k outside of event/karaoke streams. I posted evidence of her doing so multiple times recently, and yet you're still trying to weasel your way through the argument.

>>33705143
>So what are you saying?
that going
>WOOOOOOOW SHE DOES BIG NUMBERS ON BUFF STREAMS XDDD
is kinda retarded isn't it? the only ENs that pull big numbers on anything are ina and gura
>I posted evidence of her doing so multiple times recently
see >>33704713

>>33705263
nta but jesus shut up. you sound like a woman

>>33693777
Nice trips. This is going to get another passive aggressive tweet from her for sure

>>33705389
go ask her to play rust again so you can masturbate to her "big" numbers anon

>>33696168
no breakdown but lots of passive aggressive bitching on her roommate account is my bet

>>33705389
Stop defending a woman if you hate them so much

This is the exact numbers you'd expect considering:
>Overlap with Fauna & IRyS
>The game being serious debuff for even JP Holos

>>33705263
ina gets shit numbers on debuff content too though

>>33706455
>previous stream of the first game with the same partner got nearly 400k
>it's because of the game!
weapon grade cope
Magni could never make copium of this purity

>>33706642
wasn't that stream close to their debut?

>>33706482
the last time I checked her numbers she really didn't? can I get a source for her new debuff numbers?

>>33706642
Weird comment. The previous stream was a year ago when they had barely debuted. Obviously the first collab they ever did as a pair is going to have better numbers.