/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>33674381
Yeah, she would also have 1/5 of her income since only mentally ill people donate and buy merch like dakis

>>33674381
Well it is so fuck kronii

>>33674381
If Hololive weren’t an idol company, she wouldn’t exist in the first place. So yeah, you’re correct.

This whole thing made me realize I might genuinely just be too normal to post here anymore

>>33674381
if my Aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle

>>33674381
try nijisanji kronii
you''ll make a lot of friends there

This isn't an idol problem. Tourists here know nothing about idols, since real idols interact with males constantly. This is a streamer parasocial problem. Twice as pathetic.

kpop has real idols and they collab with males

>>33674381
if hololive wasn't hololive as we know it, then i wouldn't be watching hololive at all

>Idol company grows because doing idol things
>Random western sjw joins to drain money
>"No, you're all asshole incels, change to fit me"

Really makes me think!

>>33674381
And if she wasn't in Hololive she'd be a 2view.

>>33674381
no shit????

>>33674658
She wasn't even a streamer dude.

>>33674381
No one will watch her dumbfuck

>>33674571
You’re the first one to bring up male collabs. OP could have been upset by any number of recent Kronii yabs. The maidenless audience insult, flip flopping with members, disrespecting idol culture and her idol senpais…

>>33674658
>holosheepy admitting they will watch literal shit if its has the "correct" branding

>>33674700
She streamed on Twitch you useless newfag.

>>33674381
Whoa....that's like a crazy revelation, bro....
Did you know that if she didn't have a cute 2d design, then nobody would watch her in the first place? I know, crazy....

>>33674601
migo did bad to pegora... need ass pegging

>>33674381
But it is so fuck you

>>33674381
>if hololive wasn't labeled an ''idol'' company you wouldn't be seething at her like a maniac
Is this really the best discordfags can come up with?

>>33674381
It's not labelled as an idol company, retard

>>33674828

>>33674867
No it's not

What happened? QRD? TL;DR?

>>33674381
im not seething at her, only virgins with psychiatric problems are seething at her

>>33674946
Incels btfo, what's new?

>>33674381
>>33675000
What even happened

>>33674381
Let me correct you op.
>If Kronii wasn't in hololive you wouldn't be seething at her
Which would be correct. She wouldn't be forcing herself into streams of people I actually like and watch and I would simply ignore her existence like I try to do now. 'Unfortunately company collabs are a thing.'

>>33674381
It's not labelled as an idol company and people are indeed seething as maniacs

>>33674381
If my grandmother had wheels she would've been a bike.

>>33674381
If she didn't sell gfe merch and lied to her fan, she could've ignored everything and stream like Niji EN

>>33674596
Kpoop fans are worse. See sasaengs.

>>33674925
Migo pegging game is too rough, no wonder peco hated it

>>33675168
read it as "seanig" and thought "fitting"

>>33675104
>reddit mobile screenshot
please just never post here again

Kronii should move to nijen i agree.

>>33675104
>phoneposter
>redditor

>>33675104
>>33675211
nothing of value was lost LMAO imagine being these nerds

>>33675227

>>33674571
Really? Female idol units constantly collab and do songs with male groups?
I’ve never seen any that do this.

>>33675211
Why are the people frothing about this stuff always ESLs? Is that just the kind of drama they life in the far east? "Backstabbing"

>>33675351
well at least something good came out of all of this.

>>33675211
>>33675351
I mean I absolutely hate what EN is doing to Hololive too, but god damn this guy needs to grow a pair.

YASS QUEEN! WE DID IT! THE INCELS ARE GONE!

>>33675497
jesas…

>>33674381
If Hololive was a real idol company they would have better quality control, cutthroat recruitment standards, stricter rules, ironclad work schedules and over the top intrusive involvement in their talent's private lives.
Luckily that isn't the case.

>>33675361
People on a political crusade to destroy idol culture in order to own the incels were the real idols all along. Dyrbi?

>>33675497
I don't understand. Is he a tranny?

>>33675361
They do it often, they go on radio and tv shows with male hosts.

You gotta understand though, the issue is no that they collab with males, but that hololive streamers have sold a specific kind of content for a long time. Kronii sold that same kind of content for a long time, if they content you want to consume changes, shouldn't you complain?

All other industries do. Food, games, movies, tech, people always complain when the thing they consume changes just to appease the ego of the managers and CEO.
>Your favorite game becoming a f2p battle royale
>your favorite movie getting a woke sequel making fun of the original
>your phone gets less features like a headphone jack

Why are vtubers somehow exempt?

if hololive wasn't labeled an 'idol' company then we'd all be watching a different idol company, simple

>>33675633
Idol= vtuber that doesn't talk with men and whose roomate is a virgin. I don't care about 3dpd

>>33675620
An incel.

>>33675672
fucking OP tricked me by using two single quotes instead of a double quote, I thought I backspaced them, who even does that

>>33675497
>RedditFAG LMAO
Imagine this Loser calling unicorns loser

>>33674556
Just pretend. I do, its fun.

>>33674556
Good, get the fuck out already. You have reddit if you want to act the faggot.

>>33674571
unicorns unironically make me feel good about myself
I was a overweight, bullied loser for at least a decade of my life, and a late bloomer as well, but I was never desperate enough to fall in love with a cartoon character and get jealous because shes playing videos games with another cartoon character

>>33675351
I lived a shitty life. I always felt like shit. I was about to kill myself when I met Pekora’s monkey. Pekora’s monkey was literally the last thing I tried to hold on to to give me the strength to live a little longer.

I never had friends, girlfriend, I distanced myself from my family, I don’t even leave the house and I only work online. I literally had nothing, all that was left was Pekora’s monkey. Pekora’s monkey became my family, my friends, my passions, literally my reason to keep living. I don’t think anyone will really understand this and I don’t know why I’m writing all this. I think at least once in my life I want to tell myself how it feels instead of keeping everything to myself and dying inside little by little.

>>33675784
I like how we both seem to be ichimi.

>>33675932
The people you made up in your head make you feel better about yourself?

>>33674556
Anons /here/ are freaking out because EN will surely decline.
>Anons seen this happen before and it will happen again

>>33675587
>>33675672
Hololive has never branded itself as an idol company or used idol in any of its branding or loglines.

>>33675497
Yeah, this is what I expected from beggars who don't even watch streams.

>>33674571
there is nothing parasocial about me watching men and women talk to each other for several hours while i sit alone in my room for the entire duration

>>33675930
How old are you, anon? Are you over 25?

>>33675336
Why are you here?

>>33675990
They do exist though. Gabe for example

>>33674381
ETA for graduation?

>>33675932
LMAO! you're far more of a Loser than the Unicorns FAGGOT
Atleast Unicorns stand their ground even if they were mocked by NormieTourist.
While you!?!?!?!? Your nothing but a loser whose looking something lower than you to feel good about your pathetic life.

>ROPE ROPE ROPE!!!

>>33676123
I just put them in the background as I program. I mostly watch clips anyway

>>33676296
Lmao, cope

I love how the second someone pipes up about how they read /vt/ because it makes them feel a little better about themselves, all of the nu-4chan users suddenly get on their soapboxes about how bullying is bad

>>33676176
i want to bully manlets

>>33675687
That's called Parasocial relationship anon.

>>33676374
we're already the laughing stock of 4chan

>>33676374
Unicorns are constantly making fun of normies calling them cuckolds

>>33676298
Why the fuck is a clipfag preaching about anything? You’re worse than the unicorns and homobeggars.

>>33676493
Why?

>>33676493
Check out all of these cool buzzwords that anon learned on /vt/!

>>33676363
What makes you better that those unicorns?
Your life is pathetic, you didnt have a will to fight your bullies and all you can reply is a "Lmao, cope". Typical loser reply.

>Youre a Dog whose Balls were cut off, dont breed, oh wait! your a pathetic loser, nobody want you LMAO!

>>33674381
Nijisanji is also an "idol" company and yet barely anyone's having a problem with it except for voxyumes

>>33676650
What bullies? Unicorns are the bullies.

>>33676456
They aren't wrong! I don't really read any other parts of the site where vtubers come up though.
There was one time on /int/ where a Filipino guy accidentally posted a /vt/ bait thread over there, and I sometimes see Lamy on the rare occasion I revisit /x/ but that's pretty much it.

>>33676717

Oh look! the pathetic BallLess Loser wants to move the Goalpost!

>>33676717
I also tell myself I'm the bully to people on the internet after getting dunked in the toilet. It's okay.

>>33676462
I know, which makes them screeching about being second-class citizens in this fandom much funnier. They made their bed, and now they're lying in it.

>>33676536
You’re like an armchair psychologist that thinks an intro level course qualifies you to diagnose your friends. If you want to talk about “problems in streaming”, watching the streams is the bare fucking minimum.

>>33674381
Hololive "became" an idol company when almost all of her JP senpai decided to go that route, along with an expectation built from Myth not collabing with males for 2 years. How weird is it that consumers would come to expect that sort of thing then, right?
There's always been Nijisanji doing something completely different for people that wanted that.

>>33676296
>Atleast Unicorns stand their ground
Standing your ground is nothing to be proud of if it's for a retarded cause or you're in the wrong
>Atleast people who chop their dicks off and eat shit stand their ground
Not something to be proud of and equally as gay as unicorns

>>33676650
you are talking to a different anon, anon

>>33675497
>0 comments

>>33676892
>watching the streams is the bare fucking minimum
only for jp, en streamers have too much dead air to gain any useful information aside from boring individual

"Kronii" would be a literal nobody if it weren't for Hololive, she should be damn grateful to have made it into Hololive rather than trying to change shit from within instead of abiding by the core values of Hololive.

I'm tired of newfags who only got invested in Hololive this past year acting like they know what's best for everything and everyone who disagrees is an incel or w/e.

>>33676956
Standing your ground on what you believe is right is something to be proud of whether its right or wrong.
>Who said what right or wrong here?
Them whos been here since the beginning or those NormieTourist who just wants to dunk on Unicorns?

>Atleast people who chop their dicks off and eat shit stand their ground
where is this came from?

>>33676296
>Atleast Unicorns stand their ground even if they were mocked by NormieTourist.
Unicorns are menhera kids, I see those fags in the holo discords and it makes me want to slap them they can't do shit but complain about their depression

>>33677119
It's never right to control women. I don't need to watch vtubers for 2+ years to know that.

>>33677232
That's incredibly sad, but at least they're kids I guess? There's still time for them to grow up.

>>33677246
Women are just talking ribs, why wouldn’t you command them?

>>33677232
But they stand their ground (even if they lose)
>Love this type of character BTW
How about you? you follow the herd and feel good about yourself as if you've done something rightful.

>>33674381
No, i just don't want to see men who disgrace themselves by hiding behind a 2d avatar in a stream on my screen.

>>33676296
Based

>>33677119
You are 100% right although it's been a downward spiral ever since late 2019/early 2020 with people shitting up this hobby

>>33677023
>doesn’t watch the full streams
>knows the streams are full of dead air/boring
I’m done giving you (You)s.

>>33674381
If I had a billion dollars I'd be a billionaire.

>>33677501
???
I have watched a couple, they are boring af. Clips are the superior way to enjoy vtubers.

>>33676374
Oh hey, I'm one of those guys. I love /vt/
I can go from watching cute anime girls doing cute things and come here to see how they are in fact all lesbian drugged up whores who also are addicted to sucking every dick that hoves into their field of vision.
It's amazing.
But bullying? Yeah, that should have never gone away. Kept us geeks and nerds strong, and was the best gatekeeper of our interests.
It's not as though bullying left, they just made the bullies into the heroes.
So I feel for the people who seem to be going through one of their first death of a fandom.
Sorry guys, only gets worse from here.

>>33677246
That's such a disingenuous statement, you're basically saying "you are free to do whatever you want with no consequence"
Of course nobody should have influence over others' decisions as long as they have no responsibility to anyone or anything, but that's not always the case. People are responsible for their actions, man or woman, they absolutely should clean up the water they spilled if they dropped it.

>>33674658
So Connor was right? Then why did everyone turn into shrill women when he said what he did?

>>33677728
You are not supposed to say it out loud

>>33674381
it's not about idols anymore, it's about cdcgt. get with the program old man

All this makes me wonder how avoiding males even became an important part of being an idol. Like when idols were just starting to become a thing in japan, who decided that idols should never interact with males? How did they even come to that conclusion?

>>33674555

>>33677246
The more Kronii stuck her foot in her mouth during this shitshow, the more I came to realize how necessary the idol restrictions were. She clearly cannot even trust herself to get out of her own messes, as she had to go seeking cover from Cover.

>>33677779
No. Get fucked. You cowardly fucks mislead Kronii into her shitty compromise.

>>33674381
Is she made it clear she was an ironic weeb and the daki is only something you buy as a joke then yeah probably wouldnt be

>>33677868
She was always going to end up this way, dumbass.

>>33677878
No. I want the Daki and the male collabs. I feel sexually attracted to Kronii's model, I don't give a shit about the Roomate

>>33677629
Yeah, it ultimately just comes down to these people flipping out over this being a little wet behind the ears. This has got to be one of the younger boards on the website next to /v/.
I agree that bullying is necessary, more or less for the reasons you described. Bullies will only bully the bullyable, and keeping a level head through any bouts of bullying you might find yourself stuck in will just make you a less bullyable person in the future.
As it stands, I think a lot of these people flipping out about this to the point that HoloPro themselves felt the need to tell them to shut up are the real root of the problem they are complaining about. They wouldn't be getting the pushback that they have if they would just behave themselves. Which probably sucks for them since they feel entitled to an outlet for their frustrations, but it's true.

Didn't Bae collab with winning son a few months back? Why is no one calling for her blood?

>>33677991
None of these people can speak Japanese, anon.

If XY chromosomes weren't labeled as "man" you could be a female.

example of twittards invading >>33677991

>>33677485
Arita was responsible for this, she initially brought the normie fags into the fandom. Then Coco gave them even greater recognition by doing literal Reddit tier content. The mainstream EN anime community in general is just fucking cringe, would not surprise me if people start complaining that "there aren't any black girls/guys in Hololive, why are there loli characters in Hololive."

>>33675633
What you described are professional collabs. I don’t think anyone actually had an issue with Ina doing the PSO collab.
For a real group to do the equivalent of a casual holo collab they’d have to have guys up on stage with them dancing or singing which absolutely would piss people off.
The main issue I have with all of this is that they will no longer actually be an all female group with how much they do with the guys.
JPs can get by with it because there are very few that do and very many that don’t and the few that do only collab once in a long time.
For people that wanted JP but in EN all of this has been extremely disappointing.

>>33677913
You idiots are contributing to Hololive's ruin. We need a united front against normies, cucks and SJWs. We don't need CGDCT fucks stabbing us in the back.

>>33674381
Never was.

>>33677991
You retarded? Bae made sure to establish herself as someone that will collab with men from the very beginning during her debut when she said Roberu was her favorite. Kronii never went full GFE, but she still pandered to that crowd a lot more than outright going the Ame/Mori/Bae route which is why people are pissed at her.

I am once again posting this genius who definitely knows what both CGDCT and slice of life actually are

>>33677785
>All this makes me wonder how avoiding males even became an important part of being an idol. Like when idols were just starting to become a thing in japan, who decided that idols should never interact with males? How did they even come to that conclusion?
the average idolfag thinks of himself as the most worthless specimen in the male hierarchy, the moment a woman they are into interacts with any other male, they become furious, because in their own mind shes going to leave them and fuck the other dude because its only makes sense given how shit they are

>>33678207
I think Bae cared more about the quote unquote GFE more than Kronii ever did, but neither of them pandered to it like Fauna has. If Fauna starts playing DnD with Tempus you shrieking bitches might have an argument.

>>33674381
nobody can resist tempus pantsu tweets, you can see the increase in collab amount after they posted their pantsu

>>33677176
>Standing your ground on what you believe is right is something to be proud of whether its right or wrong
Standing your ground is bad because it promotes biases for already held positions. The smarter thing is to implement information as necessary and accept when you're wrong, which standing your ground would never allow
>where is this came from?
It's an analogy, typically when human being make analogies we like to use extreme examples in order for the intended receiver to more easily understand the applicable points being made. In this case, using shit eating trannies as an extreme example for why standing your ground whether right or wrong is a bad idea to counter your blanket statement claim.

>>33678133
>normies
Normalfags will always find a gap, and they have two very easy ones in Kronii and Tempus.
>Unfortunately, idol culture us a thing...
This alone sets the hordes to their slobbering frenzy, be they “real” fans or detractors. Kronii can’t seem to stop yearning fir these collabs, thus it still retains potency.

>>33674946
>Kronii said she wouldn't reach out to collab with the Stars, have them on her channel, or stream her POV in mixed collabs.
>had the time of her life in the only mixed collab she participated
>felt conflicted and took some time off
>came to the conclusion she wasn't a lesbian after all
>backpedaled hard on her initial claims, and now will reach out to collab with the Stars, host them in her channel, and stream her POV in mixed collabs.
In the end the natural order of things got restored, but at what cost?

>>33678227
Vtubing really has always been about girls, even the first guys were mostly using female avatars and shit. Nijisan shook that up, but Hololive has always been about the girls doing stuff together or alone. Holostars was always meant to just be the male version of Hololive, yet Omega tranny fucked everything up when he kept proclaiming that both branches are the same group when that was never the case.

Why are you guys so afraid of normalfags?

>>33678133
Honestly I’d just be happy if the ones that do want to collab would at least follow the JP’s examples.
I’m very much against how close Tempus is to Holo currently. It completely ruins the idea that they’re an all female group.

>>33678361
>The smarter thing is to implement information as necessary and accept when you're wrong
Again!! Who decides whats right or wrong???

>>33678227
Again fuck you. You are just confusing the girls and misrepresenting our stance.
I don't give a shit about anime or cute girls. I am jealous of my Oshi as a man in love. Collabs with men are a breach of our relationship.
The CGDCT crap doesn't make sense, just skip the stream.

>>33678458
bullied by them in school.

>>33678585
Me too, but I'm a grown man now.

>>33678266
Bae has never played into the GFE bro??? The only EN members that have are Gura/Kiara/Fauna/Irys, but everyone else not really.

>>33678246
I don’t know if you are describing the average, or just the biggest paypigs. Men actually capable of relationships are not going to be throwing hundreds of dollars at idols. At most, those types will buy merch. The price of a whale is dealing with its schizo tendencies/obsessions.

>>33678458
Don't want em ruining another one of my hobbies.

gura should kill the time whore and the pink whore and also the yellow cunt

>>33678704
I really don't mean this as a gotcha, but when and how did it happen last time?

>>33678677
Define it, because I think some of you guys see something that isn't there, and misinterpret statements to fit your parasocial narrative. Personally I think the only members of hololive that have EVER directly been GFE are Rushia and Lamy.

>>33678557
No it’s perfectly reasonable to interpret any collabs as a failure to maintain their role, their kaybe, etc. and withdraw all support. Don’t pay for an adulterated product.

>>33678644
right but the fear is that they'll do what modern bullies do which is to police shit for social justice purposes, suck all the fun out of it, and then move onto the next thing

>>33678507
i dont know, but ill tell you this
the moment you hit 30 and you see these college zoomers crying over an anime woman playing video games with a dude because she actually developed some semblance of an ability to make friends, you just want to cut their balls with scissors, they arent males

>>33678677
Ame explicitly did, did a date stream within 2 weeks of debut. I found mori cringey so i didnt watch but apparently even she did.

>>33678864
I know how this sounds, but those kinds of people are only as powerful as the power that you give them over you allows.

>>33678980
It really is astoundingly pathetic. We have to raise the next generation better.

>>33678557
For people that value their overall image and feeling as cgdct or idols it’s hard to ignore how things are going.
One collab every couple months wouldn’t really cause issues but they’ve been having huge numbers. It totally ruins that female group feeling and dynamic when the guys are pretty much part of the same group in all but name.

>>33678227
>Sailor Moon
>SOL
lol
lmao even

>>33677017
This is the first time I've seen this and I was laughing for a minute straight

>>33679437
I fucking know, man. I had to screenshot that. These kids legitimately have no idea what they're talking about. /vt/ is just a very long game of telephone for them.

>>33675405
>>33675211
>>33675351

theyre all japanese.
simple as.
westerners hate idol culture because we understand the difference between an actor and a character.
/a/ has always mocked shit like haruhi's va getting roasted forwards and backwards by schizophrenic nips.
We know that these whores get pounded by their directors and where AV employees before they even set foot in anime.
Kadokawa literally fired a guy and ruined his anime that they didn't even want to greenlight at first because they kept yakuza from porking VAs.

No matter how many of you ELS Nihonip faggots migrate here you will never belong here. 4chan has always been a western board, we have always mocked idol culture and the people who engage in it as the ultimate simps. You are all normalfags to the extreme, you are everything wrong with normalfags taken to over 9000. Instead of buying sportsball shit for way too much money and brand new cars you throw your disposable income and time into soulless whores that we watch anime and shit to escape. There's nothing more caustic to that fantasy than whores in 2d or otherwise dreaming of being pounded by P-sama and making millions off of simps paying for the privlage of a blown kiss at a concert while shes getting millions to be raw dogged by korean yakuza and jews.

You're everything we despise, the absolute submission to WEF and (((capitalist))) wet dreams. Instead of simply rejecting society for how it screwed you, you exault it, engage in it in the worst way possible for yourself and others. Reward whores for being lying cheaters, reward companies for pimping out women to the top .01%. Pay money to nail merch to your wall of the whore. Anime is about the escape from this, and the massive massive popularity of vtubers had nothing to do with idol culture in the west, but rather, the rejection of it, it was just stupid retarded girls playing video games and not seething at you for existing. Of course that is going to exist side by side with nip cancer, and cover even killed kiryuu over you idol shitters. Now you're finally getting what you deserve. Cover, you, and their whores who let kiryuu get executed all deserve to get cut down. Idolshit is the worst, it destroys everything fun about these fantasies and replaces it with corporate food paste.

>>33678794
No, the gravity between the equivalent of cheating on your husband and the equivalent of showing male character in a girls anime are miles apart.

>>33679214
>One collab every couple months wouldn’t really cause issues
If you think like this you are part of the problem.

>>33679728
kys fag

>>33674381
I don't "seethe" because a girl streams with a guy.
I am disappointed and no longer feel like watching someone that taunts their fanbase then doubles down on it. Don't sell the GFE if you can't back it up.

I would like to know why if the Holostars are so "in demand" then why don't they have the subscribers to back it up? The JP side knows that they're separate and can still collab with Hololive occasionally. Some of ID is cool about it and doesn't bring it up all the time about what they want to do. Some of EN feels like they have to shove it in everyone's face.

>>33679558
If your post isn’t bait, know that you got baited yourself.

>>33679908
Just don't collab with males, simple as.

Is this adversarial relationship between Hololive EN and their fanbase present anywhere else online, or is it really just /vt/ and the handful of whales that post here?

>>33677785
ONCE AGAIN, for the stupid tourists that keep saying the same stupid shit over and over:
IT'S ABOUT CONSIDERING YOUR FANS' FEELINGS. They are spending their time and money supporting you. They were there from the beginning and supported you through thick and thin, until you rose to the top. In return, the idol is expected to acknowledge and respect/consider the fanbase above all else. As long as they are a priority along with her dream, her decisions will reflect that. They won't do something that makes them feel neglected and anxious, because of COURSE there's going to be gachikoi in the fanbase, and probably a significant percentage. As long as they consider their fans, there won't be any issues. "Male collabs" are just one issue, but it's not the collab itself, it's how they feel, so promotional stuff is fine, the talent's actions will show that it's just for that purpose only. It's not that fucking complicated, but god forbid they even spend one second considering that. It's not that fucking hard, JP does it as naturally as breathing.

>>33680102
I wish I got baited, anon. I know I didn't.

JP = rushia termination, aloe debut disaster
zhang = coco graduation
ID = kobo crying on stream, ollie harassment
EN = crying and seething on mongolian basket weaving forum

no wonder tranny and SJW rule western world

>>33675351
Imagine having your happiness hinge on the behavior of some WOMEN. That's beyond the vaginal jew.

>>33674381
Why the fuck is it when you make these threads the jannies don't prune and/or ban you, but when I do I get a 3 day ban, this is bullshit

>>33678980
>I dont know
There you go!

Your already assuming that these kids will become pathetic loser for standing their ground for their anime waifus. Why? because its anime? waifu? What if were talking about communism or dictatorship? Will you still think of them as loser for standing their ground?
Your dont get why Im defending them,
>not because of anime or waifu but because they stand their ground.

Unlike that Top OP I commented on, this kids has a good start for adult life!

>>33680377
"unfortunately idol culture is a thing"

>>33680377
anon I'm sorry man but I laughed out loud pretty hard when I read this. you might want to take a look in the mirror

>>33680377
It fits the narrative to own the "incels"

Do you guys still watch vtubers? Do you have fun on /vt/? What else do you do with your time?

>>33674381
AAA ITS NORMAL AAA ITS NORMAL AAA ITS NORMAL AAA ITS NORMAL AAA ITS NORMAL AAA ITS NORMAL AAA ITS NORMAL AAA ITS NORMAL AAA ITS NORMAL
Same can be said about you.

>>33680504
>>33680495
>>33680472
This is bullshit, all I ever said in the post was "I am 100% sure Kronii watches NijisanjiEN and one day said to herself "Did I join the wrong company?"

>>33680557
Good day NEWFAG who thinks his a better person than the rest of the /vt/ anons.

>>33680234
I can’t read the screenshot without seeing it as bait. It’s too well crafted, too smug. You truly believe that anon thought that Vtubing was “perfect” with no need to change? It’s hyperbolic to the point of mockery.

>>33680320
Sana graduated due to posts /here/

>>33679628
>reddit dragon
>wall of text
>EOP ironic weeb
>otakus are… le bad
>4chan was always leftist you goys- uhh I mean guys
When you kill yourself you will be buried under a grave stone bearing your real male name.

>>33680640
Anon! You are posting in a bait thread about how you wish your bait thread didn't get deleted! You need to get your shit together dude
>>33680671
You can't possibly be serious, anon

>>33680557
i gave up on ENtubers over a year ago and the only time i've been interested in drama since was rushia's self implosion

>>33680780
>bait thread
Let's admit it what I said 100% is happening, it's as certain as the pink woman influencing her decisions

>>33680640
No Kronii said that, Not OP. Hence its relevance.

>>33680780
>You can't possibly be serious, anon
I do actually
>Are you?

>>33680557
I do both but I usually just play Warhammer. Stick to the generals, they're your only place of safety.

>>33677728
he's no visionary. everyone knows that anyone who's joined hololive since 2020 has taken full advantage of the effort of their senpais. they're parasites, not genuine fans. kronii herself admitted that she wasnt a fan of vtubing and said she does it for the money.

>>33679628
>post is even more incel than the one it quotes
kek

>>33680747
>source: the voic-
ah it's getting old

>>33680744
I read that thread and unfortunately, I don't think that guy was merely pretending. "Hyperbolic to the point of mockery" unfortunately describes a fair amount of the users here who feel emboldened by the actual shitposters.

>>33680750
>reddit dragon
you take that back nigger.
>comparing western otaku with eastern otaku.
go back to 2chan nigger.

>>33675000
trips are wasted on a stupid fucking faggot like you

>>33681032
I mean, he's right

>>33680462
Why?
Firstly, they hold no rights over their "waifus", they are just women using anime avatars playing video games on Youtube, nothing more.
Secondly, the fact the presence of another male (who is actually irrelevant) makes them feel threatened makes them look like weak insecure little fags, it is unsightly.

I'm not gonna watch her collab with males and she would've treaded carefully if people didn't make such a huge fuss over all this
Thanks to the unicorns throwing a tantrum she felt the need to pick a side and now that she went with "muh freedom" she'll be more open to accepting Tempus invitations or maybe even inviting them herself, it's as if they didn't learn from Rushia's mistake and keep their mouths shut

>>33675932
youre still a fucking loser

>>33674381
>it's your fault for believing in a company
>It's not Kronii's fault she lied, you should've known better
Unironically yes

>>33681088
Goalpost anon, thats not what where talking about

>>33674381
Idol? are you sure you looking at the right agency?

>>33680952
Theres no such thing as an incel, all incels are volcels because holes like you could be bought with money any time we wanted, we just are not willing to pay for something like that when a fleshlight would do. Men crave love and intimacy, something you broken whores are incapable of. no ammount of touching grass would make me desire your fetid hole, and the only people who do touch it, the "Chads" you love so much, are nothing more than straight homosexuals. they'd fuck anything that moves so theyre nothing more than coomers. Call me when you're a virgin, obedient, and want children.

>>33681168
half of these IPs are losers and the other half are losers who feel jilted by an anime girl

>>33681262
Which are you?

>>33675932
you didn't have to go through that description of yourself, we already know you're a huge fucking faggot based on the post

>>33681086
you retards could watch any western streamer, but you choose to attach yourself to hololive and shit all over the idol culture. go back to watching ironmouse, faggot.

>>33681262
you one of the IP's just like me
>Mr. Pathetic Loser

>>33680377
Because I posted brutal truth in your thread. Most of them get deleted sooner or later

>>33681250
you are a fucking 3D IMAX projector in terms of projecting

>>33681319
Nah, I'm gonna steal your hobby from you instead. I'm also outside your house rn

>>33681011
Poe’s law? But if you have supporting context, then you might be right. In any case, it is a nice screenshot, anon.

>>33681014
>>reddit dragon
>you take that back nigger.
Seethe

>>33681343
>>33681301
>the joke

>>33681402
>you're pro-projecting
are you trying to say I'm a woman????
>>33681498
I said take it back before I beat you like kobayashi beats her wife.

>>33681250
Anon… do you think you are talking to a woman? Jesus Christ. Pause the stream and go touch grass.

>>33674925
is that the aftermath of the infamous christmas party?

>>33681698
Either a woman or a tranny, only estrogen poisoned brains can conceive of the delusion that whores will not fuck for money.

>>33681694
I don't know but you make a bunch of stupid ass assumptions about people so what the fuck else am I supposed to think.

>>33681809
>it's stupid to assume men are unable to afford a prostitute when they can afford tens of modeled plastic shit and dakis.
retard.

>>33674381
VShojo has unicorns.

>>33677785
I feel like people are always disingenuous with this 'idol' thing. It's not purely CGDCT and it's not just 'urr man'. There's another perspective on the matter that makes more sense.
Partly because of the whole 'anti-yab' culture, it also plays into the whole aspect of the 'untouchability' of an "idol". She keeps a distance from everyone because that's just how the job is. She would be closer if she could. She won't join your fan discord servers or add fans to her friend list because that would be unequal treatment. She would love to talk to you on voice chat, but that would be unequal treatment. She would love to talk more about her real life and she knows most fans won't do anything, but unfortunately there's no way of filtering out the bad apples, so everyone is equally held at arm's length...and so on.
So people are content with the whole 'I will never get close to her, but no one else will". This also applies to sponsored collabs. It's all business relationships, and many of them she will only interact with superficially, similar to a good fan artist on twitter. The' untouchability' is maintained.
But when it comes to things that could be long-standing relationships (close or not) with other male streamers things change, because they look at the people like the ones in Holostars and see no difference between themselves (which is part of their appeal, in fact) and them, aside from someone who got lucky. Girls are an exception because culturally the gender backgrounds are so different that people could never argue with a straight face that they could have the same sort of friendly relationship with a girl that another girl has.
So it chips away at the untouchability aspect of 'she's doing it because she has no choice' to become 'why doesn't she do this with US'? So the part of the audience that cares about this has that gulf thrust in their face every time the guy that is almost exactly like them appears on screen.

>>33681694
>t-take it back, n-not my heckin’ wholesomerino reddit dragon!
China won. Idol culture won. Reddit dragon lost. Twitter normalfags lost. You post. Seethe

>>33679628

>>33674381
>celebrity 1%er making fun of the dregs of society
Doesn't matter what company she's in, a cunt is a cunt.

>>33682121
>noooo my absolutely disgusting reddit whores need to be pure no collabs with boys!
>calls me a purityfag for liking based kobayashi.
the lack of cognitive dissonance in your peanut skull marked you as chinese even before you admitted it.

Didn't YAGOO say they were going for a general entertainment company now instead of an idol one?

>>33682888
You are simply asking too much of the people on this board to get literally any information from anywhere but here, Twitter, Reddit or Discord.

>>33682888
No, his position has always been that the talents can decide for themselves, and most of the JPs have willingly opted to cater to the CGDCT idol crowd.

>>33683236
This, but this will soon create a bigger divide on Holofans.
>I can already see the fireworks KEK!

>>33678100
I feel like it'd be less of a problem if EN released a gen that was more traditional Hololive, maybe Council was suppose to be that way but everyone knew how that turned out.

Myth stepped into shoes that were way too big, they never got a chance to grow into being in Hololive, I feel like none of them understand the appeal of Hololive and their lack of effort being rewarded makes me think they settled. It's infuriating seeing people treat vtuber as just a person with an anime avatar.

>Just watch JP then
Yeah I believe the reasoon why like 3/5 of EN's audience disappeared was because they expected JP and they got normal streamers. I do give Gura credit for trying though, but she is too dumb.
It SHOULD be possible though, we have a culture that supports this. Improv, theater, like where the fuck are the people who always wanted to act like disney princess at?

>Improv, theater, like where the fuck are the people who always wanted to act like disney princess at?
Sadly we wont see this on EN3(assuming we have them) rather, they will become homo accesories just like what NijiEN has.

What holo needs is a separate from EN branch like HoloEU or HoloSA, heck lets get Holo ME for fuck sake!!!

HoloKR is also good just make it a (S&N Mix)

>EOPs talking about idol culture that they don't even understand
roru

Someone like Andrew tate should become holo EN manager

>>33684299
Hes gonna fuck all of them (Male/Female/Mix)

>>33684146
Yeah, bet you understand everything, SEA-kun.

>>33674381
Correct

>>33674381
Wow you figured it out took you long enough normie fag. But you don't care about that you just want to parrot brain dead twitter opinions at /vt/ !

What is the difference between Zhangs and Amerimutt at this point?

>>33684665
Not very much aside from the obvious. We are both adult babies wearing diapers in patriotic colors

>>33674571
LOL go back you reek of normal fag who's larping

>>33674465
I don't think that is true. If you compare how much Pomu makes for example, getting much lower viewer numbers on a channel with half her subs. Pomu had $343k superchats Kronii has $349k. Pomu only has a two months head start. You can basically earn the same amount with a much smaller audience without pandering to unicorns and collabing with males.

Look everywhere, you wont find any mention of "idol" in Hololive's description
>but they are idol-like
That's just your perception, they aren't idols

I could understand this reaction if a Girlfriend experience V-tuber did something like this but for all of the girls it seems unwarranted.

>>33678677
Bae is just boy crazy. It's understandable to confuse it with GFE, but she wants to be mating pressed by everything that breathes not just Homostars or brats.

>>33685115
He thinks vtubter aren't inherently parasocial.

>>33675211
You think a redditor has the balls to neck himself? Lol. Lmao even.

>>33674381
If hololive wasn't an idol company, they would have died in gen 2
You would have been watching nijisanji instead

>>33685283
It's not. You just make it that because you are doing nothing else with your life.

>>33675932
Based and gonna make it.

>>33685115
>Holy NEWFAGTourist!
Welcome to the real, unmask, unPC'ed, cultured board/forums for vtubers in general!

>>33685384
He just watches vtubers for entertainment.

>>33685539
Yes. Getting into any sort of celebrity gossip shit is retarded.

>>33685422
Just look at the other replies that guy got. Pretty shameful!

>>33679628
>theyre all japanese
Immediately stopped reading. This is cope and deflection to the greatest degree.

>>33674381
Whorii does not belong in Hololive.

>>33685612
youre the one coping if you wont even read it.

>>33685115
Streaming is inherently parasocial and many of the girls made member content directly to retain a parasocial audience
You can tell how exploitative streamers are with parasocial fans by watching a real celebrity trying to stream lile snoop dog, who literally doesn't care about the audience at all, does not interact with his chat, will often time just stream with no audio in the most crap set up ever, and then just cut the stream whenever they want. No schedules for streams, they play games only they want to play, and they especially never bring up anyones name donating to them

>>33685605
>Yes. Getting into any sort of celebrity gossip shit is retarded.
You want generic twitch ethots you already have plenty of options.

>>33685733
I'm not desperate enough to watch some bikini stream when I can go to bar or strip club and get head/laid. Just wanna watch some anime girls play some games or sing. Couldn't give a shit about the gossip or drama

>>33685115
ogey so why do they all not mention/hide/deny their bf status? They don't care if their fans see a guy walk in and give them a kiss, right? I mean male streamers can do it no problem.

>>33685115
It's because these homo collabs aren't HOLOLIVE. If she were doing this in penis connect or manjisanji nobody would care. The problem is that M*ri, Kronii, and Ame are trying to bring homo collabs to HoloEN when Hololive isn't about that.

>>33685650
Okay, you convinced me to double check it. So I skimmed it. I gree with the anti-unicorn sentiment, but it's still ridiculously retarded to think all the hate is coming from overseas.
Maybe some of it? Sure. But the majority is probably lonely resentful western men.

Don't be fooled by their language. "Idol culture" has nothing to do with the emotional response from these people. It's just a word-weapon to win internet arguments.
This fact alone means most of that comment was probably just based on pure bullshit.

>>33685651
I literally want this, but with anime girls. I dislike the tards in chat.

>>33685889
Because the GFE vtuber would be breaking character if that happened.

>>33685951
Pretty certain Hololive has had male streamers in Japanese for a while now. And the JP and ID girls stream with males so I'm not seeing the big deal here

>>33685651
Snopp dog streams? And people donate to him during those streams

>>33686044
>I'm not seeing the big deal here
The main problem here is that EN Girls rarely even collabs let alone with other brach.
But as soon as the Homos came in, they started to get alot of spare time on their hands and queing themselves to collab with dicks.

On the JP side, they've been here more than you do, the grind those few fans they have by themselves instead of relying on Girls to gain traction.
>Them having some collab very few often is well deserve.

Your Homos... well..... you tell me?

>>33686352
Sounds like a management issue that you should be taking up. Maybe if they were anal and let them do more collabs beforehand they wouldn't be jumping on the opportunity to do so now

>>33682636
>regresses into ESL schizobabble
You’re done, brown mutt. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>33686514
>do I have to post Holopro statements towards this?

>>33686012
>lonely resentful men
so you disagree because you're a dumb hole. sorry I wasted my time talking to you.

>ask a person with the easiest job in the world to put in even less effort
>she gets mad
???

>>33684880
Why are people doomposting about not making any money and losing all the gachikoi due to male collabs if Niji girls that collab with them all the time can make them same amount then?

>>33685837
So why not just watch normal streamers then? Plenty of streamers can game, sing, perform, whatever. Why go specifically to a group that you dislike, that works for people you dislike, and then complain that it’s not catering to you and your interests?

>>33686581
>can't read english let alone speak it and so thinks other coherent shit people say is esl.
lmao.

>>33686772
No we cant do that? We need to destroy someone's hobby otherwise we wouldnt feel foog about ourself.

>>33674381
I also wouldn't be watching Hololive

This just in! An "entertainer" that didn't stick to the formula and kept featuring an eyesore whilst saying it was an excuse to make new "friends" got a bunch of haters and is now labeled a "whore", more news at 11

>>33674616
>angrily mashing my keyboard because a streamer talked to a dude
>"I, the incel, am the normal one!"

>>33686951
100% of the cope lords claiming they will stop watching over this never watched in the first place

>>33687611
>Cuckold hands type this

>>33686814
>more seething, impotent projection from the latinx tranny redditor
You can always tell when an ESL is typing, even if they’ve learned how to fake grammar and spelling well enough, the way they write marks them dead. The tells are so obvious : not just the unnatural way they type but also the psychological imprints such as the faux patriotism, the desperate desire to be white, the constant projection of their own brown skin.

The tells for being a tranny are also obvious : the misogynistic hatred towards actual women, the awkward forced vulgarity, the desperate attempts to fit in, and the constant pushing of far left identity politics. You can find when a tranny is typing online almost as easily as you can find them when they’re pretending to be women IRL. It’s almost sad how easy it is to bait them out like I just did.

>tfw be an idolfag weeabo since I was 13
>got my start with various mainstream commercially successful group as well as IdolMaster
>cheer for oshi when they broke into the music charts, got interviewed by male talk show host, where invited to panels, gameshows, riffed withe comedians
>lonely parasocial faggots who feel entitled to control an entire stream because they donated 5 dollars a month suddenly flood my hobby

Fuck you unicorns. Nobody likes you. You're only getting attention because you're obnoxious minority who's a threat to the talents and to yourselves. You're not a significant portion of any of the talents superchatters.

>>33687611
>angrily mashing my keyboard because a total stranger online has a negative opinion about a streamer (that I don’t even watch) that talked to a dude
>w-well at least I’m not one of those toxic chud incels, this is totally normal behavior!

>>33687940
>You're not a significant portion of any of the talents superchatters
Cope

>>33687660
I was a grey, so obviously I don’t truly count, but I am done with anything Kronii over this. Not because of the male collabs. Just how she handled everything. She’s just too retarded, and not the cute kind like Aqua.

why are the idoltards like this?

>>33688384
Yass you go sistah let’s show those evil incel idoltards who’s boss!

Sorry, but vtubers is a MALE SPACE where the girls entertain US. When a m*le comes into this space to "have fun" with (ie get entertainment from) our OSHI, it destabilizes everything. He is a USURPER. AN INVADER. We are peaceful until we feel replaced, NIGGER.

>>33687827
>pushing far left identity politics
you really are ESL. jesus christ learn to read nigger.

>>33688450
>iphone

>>33688845
>doesn’t deny being a tranny
>immediately zeroes in on muh politics
You really are broken inside. Dance for me, mutt. Humiliate yourself further.

>>33689058
>expecting me to put effort into replying to your shitty b8.

>>33686772
I don't dislike V tubers you autist. I already said I don't care for the drama crap.

>>33688924
>iPh-ACK!

>>33689098
>i-i was being retarded on purpose
you're boring me tranny

>>33689470
>y-you wont take my b8 so that means I won!
kek, this is your next cope?

>>33674381
Maybe she should gave not done ASMR with art of her in a boyfriend shirt, or released a daki and an oppai mousepad, if she did not want a parasocial audience

>>33689203
>I don't dislike V tubers
>I just dislike the fan culture around vtubers
>and the way vtubers are expected to act
>and most of the major appeals of vtubing at all
>what I do like?
>i like the parts that would make them into generic, everyday streamers
>and nothing else
you don't even watch clips twitter tourist, kill yourself

>>33674381
Even if I agreed with her, the way she handled the drama was really unprofessional and made a bad situation worse, multiple times
It should be a serious wakeup call if you end up handing drama worse than Mori

>>33674381
>if Hololive wasn't an idol larping company you wouldn't be seething about her not larping as an idol
...Yes? Did you think you were being clever?

>>33689529
keep samefagging anon and you'll prove those evil bigoted str*ght m*le incels wrong, just two more posts and diversity wins and unicorns and antis and Putler loses

>>33689747
>retarded hole doesn't even know what samefagging means.
try again.

>>33689598
No retard, I already said I understand the response if it was about a GFE vtuber. I don't understand the meltdown when it's not one though. Her do a collab doesn't mean she's going to get railed by the homos.

>>33689792
>falseflagging and replying to myself the entire thread isn’t samefagging!!!
You were already pathetic before, but now it’s just getting sad.

>>33674381
This whole debate is just nerds fighting other nerds because they disagree on what their nerd hobby should be like. It's why male and female anime fans often fight each other. It's the audience fighting itself to get the type of content they want produced by their favorite companies. Free market, baby. That's how I see it. Personally I root for unicorns because the content they want is what I want, but I understand they're not going to win because gatekeeping always fails. I've witnessed it again and again, if 90% of people want something then 90% of content produced will be just that (with the notable exception of content produced for propaganda purposes instead of money, but I don't think that's the case here, and even then that propaganda content has to be well received by some people who have more social clout like big journalists). When I saw all the reddit posts and youtube comments screaming that they wanted male vtubers to exist, and then that they wanted the boys to collab with girls, I knew that's exactly what would happen in the end. Because guess what? When cover noticed their audience was full of EOPs and ESLs they decided to create HoloEN, which by the way is the main reason why they surpassed nijisanji, niji was too slow to notice the market had changed. But then the roles got reversed when luxiem happened, and Cover were the ones who didn't notice the market had changed again. But now? Everyone knows what the market is really like. You can't fool these companies. It's over. Niche content that panders to unicorns can exist, but it will stay niche. That being said, Gura and Kiara are still going strong, and I hope they never change their mind on this whole thing. But we'll see about that, my popcorn is ready.

>>33690470
>esl hole gets btfo over and over
>has no recourse but to blame all their garbage post on me.
jesus christ madoka spare me from this fucking whore witch.

>>33691244
>more ESL projection from the tr/a/nny
Yawn. Come up with some better material already. Also have some respect for religion you stupid cunt

>>33691320
>retarded hole thinks I'm not serious about religion
Why wouldn't I seriously worship a goddess who's sole function is to ice roasties before they hurt people?

>>33684880
It is true since 80% of niji's success in the west is directly attributed to hololive's boom in the coof era, and that's because of hololive being an idol company

>>33690481
I don't accept watching vtubers as a "hobby". Say that vtubing is banned tomorrow. What would've you gained from all those hours of watching vtubers? Practical skills? Nope. Knowledge? Depends on the vtuber but definitely the least efficient way of gathering knowledge. Creative insight? Not really. Most vtubers are just playing video games. There's nothing deeper to think about unlike other artistic mediums like film, music, etc...

Its just entertainment and nothing more.

>>33691560
Who asked?

>>33676456
>the laughing stock of 4chan
/vt/ is surface level pathetic, but we are not even close to the most pathetic board

>>33691560
>I don't accept watching vtubers as a "hobby".
I don't know, frankly that's not my main point and I have no opinion on the whole "hobby" vs "entertainment" argument.

>>33675932
You're still a fat fucking loser you dumb cunt.

>>33691407
>multiple madoka pictures in a row
Oh shit you’re actually unironically a tranny huh
Well you know what I don’t really feel like making someone off himself first thing in the morning so I guess I’ll stop man- sorry, I mean “ma’am”. Have a nice day now

>>33692323
>vn tranny still seething over AotD
Steins gate will always be shit
>>>/jp/

>>33674381
here we go, always with the what if. it's so fucking tiring.

>>33692544
And she will actually do it in some ways Kek

>>33691407
pretty based belief, you're still wrong about everything and a disgrace tho.

>>33691560
>I don't accept watching vtubers as a "hobby
i don't accept you as an arbiter of what is or isn't a hobby

>>33691560
Imagine not using vtuber drama as a way to teach yourself
>probabilistic thinking, risk assessment
>number theory
>business and economics
>group psychology
>algorithms
>how women's brains work

Apply yourself retard

>>33689747
To put it bluntly, female streamers are boring. That's why the top streamers were full of men.
Vtuber puts a cute picture on it and puts added value on it. Furthermore, Hololive added maximum value in a space where only women can appear.
I want to say that you shouldn't be conceited by saying, "I want to do what I want" even though it's boring and there are viewers thanks to the added value. Because I endured this, JP's talent was able to grow. She tramples on the patience of her senior.
Collaborating with men can be fun. It also satisfies sexual desire, and it will lead and excite you.
I've seen a lot of Nijisanji's JP female rivers who lost viewers because they were addicted to collaborating with men.
Even in Nijisanji, the top female rivers are suppressing collaboration with men.

>>33692376
>>33692323
you guys are both cringe now shut the fuck up

>>33693037
Based. Knowledge is power.