/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Holy shit last thread was homobeggar central. Tempus was a mistake.

all homobeggers, tribalniggers and corporate asslickers get the rope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6YvX_w-C0

Numbers?
My only hope is she make it to the telly

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *
>96,590: Pekora (Hololive)
>34,767: Miko (Hololive)
>30,866: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>25,169: Lamy (Hololive)
>24,243: Miko (Hololive)
>20,865: Luna (Hololive)
>18,737: Fubuki (Hololive)
>18,679: Shigure Ui (Indie)
>18,469: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>17,353: Koyori (Hololive)
>16,023: Mio (Hololive)
>15,971: Polka (Hololive)
>15,890: Korone (Hololive)
>15,840: Runa (VSPO)
>14,554: Sora (Hololive)
>14,270: GatchmanV (Indie)
>13,478: Chloe (Hololive)
>13,170: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>12,392: Sasaki (Nijisanji)
>11,723: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,632: Okayu (Hololive)
>11,386: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>11,085: Lui (Hololive)
>10,983: Ame (Hololive)
>10,911: Leos (Nijisanji)
>10,631: NeruMero (Indie)

>>33622950
>SEPTEMBER 2022 GOLDS
1) Pekora (Hololive) - 54,023 - Rust
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 47,845 - Return stream
3) Ayame (Hololive) - 118,899 - 4th anniversary 3D live
4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 87,145 - New outfit reveal
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,743 - Dragon Quest Monsters
6) Marine (Hololive) - 45,140 - Super Smash Bros.
7) Sora (Hololive) - 84,063 - 5th anniversary 3D live
8) Botan (Hololive) - 88,981* - 3D birthday stream w/NePoLaBo
9) Miko (Hololive) - 39,905 - HoloCure new update
10) Marine (Hololive) - 50,041 - HoloCure new update
11) Subaru (Hololive) - 41,806* - Persona 4 Golden
12) Tsukasa (Indie) - 56,583 - Streamer league mahjong
13) Pekora (Hololive) - 43,118 - Rust
14) Miko (Hololive) - 34,041 - Rust
15) Suisei (Hololive) - 59,604 - Karaoke + announcement
16) Moona (Hololive) - 87,402 - 3D showcase
17) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 81,240 - Kuzuha Cup PUBG
18) Gura (Hololive) - 92,264 - 3D live
19) Pekora (Hololive) - 96,590 - Fate/Grand Order

>PER COMPANY
16x: Hololive
2x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie

>PER STREAMER
4x: Pekora
2x: Ayame, Marine, Miko
1x: Botan, Fuwa, Gura, Moona, Nijisanji, Sora, Subaru, Suisei, Tsukasa

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
166x: Hololive
85x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
4x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
33x: Pekora
16x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Miko, Salome
10x: Nijisanji, Subaru
8x: Marine
6x: Hal, Hololive
5x: Gura, Kanata, Mio, Suisei, Toya
4x: Flare, Fuwa, Noel, Okayu, Towa
3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Mayuzumi, Polka
2x: Ange, Botan, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Maimoto, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Shion, Sora, Tsukasa
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Moona, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

Oboretai and sisters psyops

>>33622899
/news/ roundup for 19-09-2022
>>33557988
Recent clip numbers
>>33543741
>>33543786
>>33544452
>>33544625

/#/ is declining

>>33622967
Orobetai is actually doing great when it comes to clip views these days.

All this just show that when the EN girl scheduling things, they did not even at least ask themselves “Will my viewers like this?”

>>33622844
Or give the fans what they don't want and risk losing them. Problem with Kronii is that she wants to do what she wants but don't want to lose her fans, basically she wants to have her cake and eat it too.

She also doesn't care that it will cause drama that affects the whole company.

https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/xixlzg/do_vtubers_need_to_livestream/
>do_vtubers_need_to_livestream
Well, anons
Do they?
Remember where it all started

>>33622994
Nice ESL

>>33622583
This is exactly what I thought
Sponsored deal usually take paper works and needs time, I used to deal wiith sponsored deal in my company and it takes around two or three months to make a deal between digital market dev and internet influencer. Please note my company pretty lax and it still takes time to sort the contract, plan, meeting, scheduled events, staff preparation, and rehearsal. I can't imagine Japanese takes shorter time in dealing with contract, I assume they made a deal probably around three months ago when Salome at their peak

>>33622867
Less homobegger and more someone whose just baffled people got their panties in a twist over something like this. I don't know maybe it's Twitch Drama making this seem even more of non-issue for me or my current life circumstances just making think this just ultimately is a speed bump in the long run.

September events

Hololive
16) Subaru anniversary, Moona 3D debut
17) Iofi 3D debut
18) Risu 3D debut, Gura 3D live
20) HoloID mini 3D live

Nijisanji
16) Kuzuhacup
17) Kuzuhacup
18) CRcup (Kuzuha)
28) Kuzuhaday
30) Nijifes fantasia

>>33623008
well, Gura proved it's possible to livestream to the public less than 20 hours a month and still cash in, and 4 million subs can't be wrong

>>33622996
Why should they give a small minority of unicorn fans what they want if it means suffering mentally and being unable to do what they love on stream? The loss in mental health is not worth it.

>>33622948
Oh she definitely will.

Is it that hard to be an idealized version of yourself for a few hours a week? Hell I do it for 40 plus overtime.

>>33623059
Who the fuck only streams for a few hours a week?

>>33623045
Don't reply to me if you have no idea what I am talking about.

>>33622950
>SEPTEMBER 2022 GOLDS
1) Pekora (Hololive) - 54,023 - Rust
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 47,845 - Return stream
3) Ayame (Hololive) - 118,899 - 4th anniversary 3D live
4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 87,145 - New outfit reveal
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,743 - Dragon Quest Monsters
6) Marine (Hololive) - 45,140 - Super Smash Bros Ultimate
7) Sora (Hololive) - 84,063 - 5th anniversary 3D live
8) Botan (Hololive) - 81.036 - Birthday 3D stream
9) Miko (Hololive) - 39.905 - Holocure
10) Marine (Hololive) - 50.041 - Holocure
11) Subaru (Hololive) - 36.779 - Persona 4 Golden
12) Miko (Hololive) - 38.454 - Rust
13) Pekora (Hololive) - 43.118 - Rust
14) Miko (Hololive) - 34.041 - Rust
15) Suisei (Hololive) - 59.604 - Karaoke
16) Moona (Hololive) - 87.402 - 3D Showcase
17) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 81.240 - KZHCUP in PUBG Day2
18) Gura (Hololive) - 92.264 - 3D live
19) Pekora (Hololive) - 96.590 - Fate Grand Order

>PER COMPANY
17x: Hololive
2x Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
4x: Pekora
3x: Miko
2x: Ayame, Marine
1x: Botan, Fuwa, Gura, Moona, Nijisanji Sora, Subaru, Suisei

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
168x: Hololive
84x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
34x: Pekora
17x: Miko
16x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Salome
10x: Nijisanji, Subaru
8x: Marine
6x: Hal, Hololive
5x: Gura, Kanata, Mio, Suisei, Toya
4x: Flare, Noel, Okayu, Towa
3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Fuwa, Mayuzumi, Polka
2x: Ange, Botan, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Maimoto, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Shion, Sora
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Moona, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

>>33622989
Nice try oboretai.

*YESTERDAY'S FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY *

>9/19 Daily Tally
10,983: Amelia (Hololive)
8,789: Fauna (Hololive)
7,999: Millie (Nijisanji)
5,678: Enna (Nijisanji)

>EN GOLD SO FAR FOR SEPTEMBER
1. Gura (Hololive) - 15,128 (RUST)
2. Yugo (Nijisanji) - 21,274 (English Telephone Game)
3. Noir (Hololive) - 14,791 (Boomer vs. Zoomer game w/Baelz)
4. Gura (Hololive) - 30,762 (Gura's Big Brain Games w/Ollie, Kronii, Ina, IRyS, Mumei, and Baelz)
5. Vox (Nijisanji) – 25,137 (Unarchived Karaoke)
6. Baelz (Hololive) - 11,711 (Plants vs. Zombies)
7. Kiara (Hololive) - 21,528 (Holocure: Save the Fans)
8. Baelz (Hololive) - 13,218 (Unarchived Karaoke)
9. Ina (Hololive) - 12,053 (RUST)
10. Gura (Hololive) - 22,264 (Holocure: Save the Fans)
11. Gura (Hololive) - 32,232 (Gura's Big Brain Games w/Ollie, Kronii, Ina, IRyS, Mumei, and Baelz)
12. IRyS (Hololive) - 12,560 (Holocure: Save the Fans)
13. Amelia (Hololive) - 32,545 (Myth 2nd Year Anniversary)
14. Gura (Hololive) - 23,667 (2 year anniversary)
15. Gura (Hololive) - 38,413 (Unarchived Karaoke + Announcements)
16. IRyS (Hololive) - 9,687 (Holocure: Save the Fans)
17. Amelia (Hololive) - 16,478 (Worms Tournament w/Mori, Reine, Regis, Axel, Magni, and Noir)
18. Gura (Hololive) - 92,297 (Gura 3D Live)
19. Amelia (Hololive) - 10,983 (RUST)

>GOLD PER COMPANY
Hololive - 17
Nijisanji - 2
Others - 0

>GOLD PER STREAMER
7x: Gura
3x: Amelia
2x: Baelz, IRyS
1x: Yugo, Noir, Vox, Kiara, Ina

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
35p: Gura
20p: Amelia
16p: Baelz
12p: IRyS
8p: Ina, Mysta, Fauna
7p: Mumei, Vox, Luca
6p: Shu
5p: Yugo, Noir, Kiara
4p: Enna
3p: Alban, Regis, Mori, Petra, Magni
1p: Rosemi, Maria, Millie

>>33623094
You're talking about making Kronii continue to suffer a handful of toxic groomer fans just because you don't want drama to affect the company.

>>33623126
>completely missing the point
last (You) for you

Collabs extend your ceiling and boost your average but weaken your floor. The moment the collabs stop, there would be nothing else to fall back to and you end up in a freefall. This is why Cover has the tradition of 1 month collab ban. Why am i saying this? Because Tempus is having too much collab and i'm not talking about collab with Hololive but just collabs in general. I'm worried they might suffer from it. Just look at NijiEN, get shit number unless you bring other members along.

>>33623008
It's not about livestream, it's about content

If you guys don't like what kronii is doing just stop watching her it's really that simple just move on like a normal person would do i don't really get why people want to change her decisions

>>33623059
These mofos don't know what a job is, so are these EN chubas who lack professionalism

>>33623008
The next question will be "do vtubers need to have a virtual avatar?"
No, vtubers don't need to do live stream, but since this is 2022 not 2018/2019, the meta is livestreaming and if you don't do that you'll intentionally gimp yourself.

>>33623203
>If you guys don't like what your governement is doing, just leave the country
That's you.

If Peko wins can we post FGO lewds?

>>33623045
If they can’t do that then I’m sorry, they are not cut out for this job
Look at what Vox do, he pleased his fan and despite drama, he is still mostly fine

TOP KEK, soon you will be able to throat a red superchat for 2 bucks or so

>>33623045
Ultimately it's just a wait and see game right now. You have to actively cripple yourself by being annoying or just never stream to truly be down in the pits when your in Hololive. As much as people point to Ollie and Mori being a prime example of not to Collab with Homos they don't really account for the fact that both of them are quite frankly annoying to listen to and their commentary straight up fucking sucks.

>>33623254
>we
kys

>>33623008
recorded videos can be fun but they don't really use a vtubers model to the fullest. after all to the viewer there will be very little difference between it and just some animated and dubbed over video

>>33623254
no one is stoping you anon

been gone for a few weeks. qrd on this whole kronii drama?

>>33623264
Yes we
/alter/ will show no mercy

>>33623256
And look where he is now....

>>33623242
Watching someone on the internet=Leaving a country is a really fucking big leap in logic anon

>>33623242
Horrible comparison please seek help you're unironically mentally ill

>>33623008
i don't know, to me vtuber videos sit in that awkward spot of maybe an animation would have conveyed this better

>>33623260
This. Suisei is prime example of good Holo without male restriction and still doing good!

>>33623254
Nope cry more nijiniggers

>>33623312
>>33623313
Don't take everything so litteraly, retards. The idea is that when you see something that you cherish change for the worst, you try to stop it, you just don't quit and give up on it. Or else you never really cared about it to begin with.

>>33623242
Soooo what you're saying is that vtubers aren't allowed to graduate?

>>33623059
Is this why America and East Asia mental health become what it is rn?

>>33623264
they probably raided global instead of #.

Pekora is Sexy

>>33623167
It is funny that even if we hate Omegay, his rule of only 1 hour per stream help them retain their floor immensely. The problem is, once the collab ban is lifted, every single one of them act like a collab baby, surprisingly Axel and Regis are the ones with less collabs. Magni is actively harming his floor with the twitch collabs but I seeing Regis gaining some floor with kobo and others donating viewers to him.

>>33623242
Unironically yes
Or you know, try to do what the French did

>>33623292
From start to now, I can give a brief summary. It all started when they banned Dr. Disrespect and his rocks. You thought I was gonna talk about shungite didnt you? Got ya! The trigger was Shitcamp. XQC gave some excuse about not going because Soda wasn't going, didn't bother to tell QTCinderella he wasn't going which angered Hasan, QT and some other streamers there. They then go hard shittalking xqc blaming his gambling addiction. Xqc then sees a clip of Soda saying that he told xqc weeks ago he wasn't going, which is actually out of context and was a bait for xqc. Xqc then comes out and says it was because of personal matters with his family and gf (adept), and that they broke up over it. Adept goes on a long rant on stream about how she didn't want this coming out ever and is super pissed. Other streamers get involved after adept and xqc talk on stream about the aforementioned events and start shitting on xqc again. Miz gets involved saying that xqc has bailed on events with no notice before and this was just his latest excuse. Xqc responds saying he has nukes so Miz should keep his mouth shut. Gamba once again comes to the forefront of talk of twitch and it comes out that Sliker has been scamming people out of money for gambling. This once again ignites a heated debate where xqc and Trainwrecks come out to defend their stream gambling, threatening that they have nukes they will unleash on the likes of Miz, Hasan, etc, and the rest is what you see front and center right now with Miz sending Maya and Mitch Jones to cover up SA done by CrazySlick. Anyways, um... I bought a whole bunch of shungite rocks, do you know what shungite is? Anybody know what shungite is? No, not Suge Knight, I think he's locked up in prison. I'm talkin' shungite. Anyways, it's a two billion year-old like, rock stone that protects against frequencies and unwanted frequencies that may be traveling in the air. That's my story, I bought a whole bunch of stuff. Put 'em around the la casa. Little pyramids, stuff like that.

Another Pegold today?

>>33623256
>he is still mostly fine
Anon, about that ...

>>33623259
Man, SA's fucked up
Please don't touch that market YAGOO ...

>>33623402
Based

>>33623430
Kill their royalty and take over the country ?

>>33623472
LETS GO FORSEN

>>33623496
Hell yeah.

>Anti-male faction
Gura (doesn't follow them on Twitter and doesn't acknowledge their existence)
Fauna (admits they exists, but is now ghosting without any mention)
Kiara (admits existence, but says she only wants to collaborate with girls)
Mumei (admits they exists, but says she joined Hololive because she wants to play with girls)
IRyS (admits they exist, but is a member of ChadCast and a possible traitor)

>Pro-male faction
Mori (claims to be their "father", wants to join their TTRPG, uses their memes, hates unicorns)
Amelia (wants to be EN Fubuki, wants to create a good atmosphere for HoloPro)
Kronii (not really interested in collaborating with men, just hates unicorns so she's doing it to spite them)
Baelz (likes old men, wants to date old men, has collaborated with old men many times)

>Undecided
Ina (good luck with Holostars EN, only talked a little about Regis, generally indifferent, seems too busy to bother going out of her way to collaborate with males)

Has 5ch read the motivations and affiliations of each HoloEN accurately?

>>33623475
Probably not as high as yesterday but likely still a yes.

>>33623345
I mean, most "Restriction" on male collab have always been self-impose by the girls
Because they don't want to deal with the fall out

>>33623513
Stop writing fanfic

>>33623472
i fucking hate shungite posting

>>33623297
Raking in money for NijiEN?

>>33623345
Suisei is more about Music, so there're less trouble with that
If you want someone from the streaming side, either Friend or Towa would be more fitting desu

>>33623472
what is this garbage and why are you spend time writing all this bullshits?

>>33623513
pretty much 100% correct but mumei is in the undecided section

>>33623477
Holo Brazil soon

>>33623008
If they put as much effort as this then yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdUCXMmBWV8

>>33623484
Nice

>>33623553
Anon I...

>>33623259
EXPERTS SAYS WE ARE NOT IN ANY ECONOMINAL CRISIS. STOP FEARMONGERING

>>33623402
Correct.

>>33623345
Anon, all Holos don't have restrictions to collab with males.

I watched some anime hag lewds and it was dogshit

>>33623513
Also Kiara
>Deflects to the obviously preprepared Holotalk thumbnails when asked about male collabs
Kiara may be annoying and thickheades at times, but on this issue she's savvy.

>>33623259
Does anyone have a screenshot of that one anon going on a rant about how fucked their economy and government is?

>>33623376
>The idea is that when you see something that you cherish change for the worst, you try to stop it, you just don't quit and give up on it.
The problem is that most anon's "solution" to that problem is the equivalent of carpet bombing a village with white phosphorus munitions because you see an AK-armed farmer in a house thirty seconds ago
And yes, I am allowed to make that comparison, given how Kronies presented themselves so far

>>33623526
I don't know what the sisters are on about but this is exactly how Holo operates, it's always been the talents themselves if they wanted to collab with their male counter parts, some of them just don't want to deal with retards spergin while some just don't want to bother with males, if a talent wishes to do so then they're free to be able to

>>33623553
His superchat income has been decreasing since June. He is feeling pressured by expectation by management and viewers such that he needs to take a break.

>>33623604
I vote FGO lewds be included. Need some variety after so much Peko.

>>33623259
>ARS
so nothing burger?

>>33623652
There's a reason everyone knows kronies were nuts even before this.

>>33623667

>>33623496
>>33623512
Wonder why the Brits didn't do the same ngl

>>33623560
The important part is the ratio of core activity to occasional collabs to maintain their brand. Fubuki and towa have achieved it but I have no faith that the EN girls will find and communicate that balance.

>>33623376
they're content creators not anon , your a literal nobody in their life why would they change themselves for you lmao also even if they do give in and change themselves for you their content would be souless and dogshit because they don't enjoy what they are doing it's pointless and retarded

>>33623772
wasn't Royal family just an accecories while the real goverment is the parliament?

>>33623259
Reminds me that we'll be seeing waves of countries going in to recesssion, Lebanon isn't doing well right now as well, they've stopped people from withdrawing their cash for 3 days

>>33623513
>Baelz (likes old men, wants to date old men, has collaborated with old men many times)

That's rude
My son is not that old ...

>>33623513
This is the third time I see this posted today, what's the point?

>>33623666
Elizabeth, Astolfo or Zenobia?

>>33623772
The Brits were enjoying being a World Superpower during the French Revolution and by the time they abandoned their colonies the Monarchy was basically harmless and not really doing anything bad so they just kept them around.

>>33623818
Bae is built for me

Heterobeggars are better?

>>33623872
Just as god intended

>>33623839
How does her bikini protect her in combat kek

>>33623818
Yea. Also, despite baelz collabing with Nowa, even she has limits she's not gonna cross and chastised Nowa over the entire underwear posting when he popped into her chat.

>>33623839
Zenobia since I'm feeling like big tits today. You can post either or though.

>>33623894
Magic, bitch, don't gotta explain shit.

>>33623894
Offense is the best defense.

>>33623894
According to her in game dialogue even she doesn't know

>>33623345
>Suisei is prime example of good Holo without male restriction
This is one of the dumbest strawman that came out of this whole kerfuffle.
>everyone complaining is doing so because they don't want their girls to collab with males
>Suisei collab with males, hence she's a counterexample

There are a lot of people complaining about the whole StarsEN situation, with some being these extreme examples, others complaining for other reasons.
But the use of Suisei doesn't apply at all to this situation in ANY case.

With the exception of one shill stream, she doesn't even have a single male live stream collab or even one outside the box live stream collab in her channel in the past year of streaming.
Suisei is the poster girl of "power of the box" type of Hololive streamer: she uses the full power of the box to advance her musical career and, conversely, uses the full weight of her musical career to further the interests of the box.
>pic related

Those are all of her streams in the past year. Why are people using Suisei as a model of "mixed gender collabs" if she doesn't have a single one other than the shill stream?

>>33623818
Well I didn't know that I actually had a chance, here I come Australia

>>33623574
>38,301 views

ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR BROS

>>33623574
AZULIM AAAAAAAAAAAA

>>33623045
>small minority of unicorn
how do you distinguish unicorns from 'real' fans? When Kronii wasn't streaming, was it the unicorns or the fans who begged her to stream literally anything? Who is making the most noise right now? Is it the unicorns or those that want to own the incels? Honestly, I would defer to the streamer because they have the analytics but holy shit I think only holoJP direct management realizes those numbers are there to help them understand their fans and not a tool to pressure chuubas into mindbreak. even though thats hot

Gozaru 1 more win to rank S

>>33623887
so collabs between males and females

>>33623921
>>33623931
That bikini won't protect her from me raping her

Can you consider PekoMikofags as homobeggars? That is pretty fucking gay.

>>33623894
You don't need protection when got raped on bed

Anons, I’ve been replaying Gura’s 3D live and its performances multiple times and I have to say:
[spoiled]It’s a genuinely amazing live and Gura put a ton of effort into her dances and overall movement. For a live that was nearly scrapped and had half of it cut, she really put out a spectacular performance[/spoiler]

>>33623624
Something something former underground idol
I assume those people get even crazier fans since to me they're the equivalent of 2 views in /vt/

Do you agree or disagree with pascal's shitpost?

I find it very funny how interviews don’t seem to count as male collabs anymore. Sure as hell doesn’t seem like that was the case back when the first TT podcast aired.

>>33624028
LOL LMAO

>>33623628
You mean the ARS Luna poster?
I hope he's alright, ngl

>>33624041
No.

>>33624028
Anon…

>>33624041
i feel like someone like fauna thinks like this

>>33624041
That's stupid.

>>33623667
I mean ...
>>33624073

As much as we're shitting on Kronii for this yab, I would say she only takes on 20% of the blame here.
A lot of people forget the original reason for male collabs on the JP side. There were very few VTubers in existence during the period of time that the 0th to 2nd Generations were operating (2018 to early 2019). Niji accelerate was still in the early phases and JP only had around 13 talents (Suisei, Miko and Azki were in different projects during this period).
And so at that point, they only had each other as potential collab partners, and since most of them streamed every day (big breaks could kill your channel) they eventually ran out of collab ideas and partners and had to look elsewhere. They tried with Holostars at first, but that only got the stars flamed from every direction, so they resorted to collabing with others outside of the company, males included - which notably had way less flame for some reason.

But once Gamers and Sankisei debuted in 2019 and Miko + Suisei joined, the roster reached 23. And then they had more than enough people within the Box that they could have a lot more potential collabs without ever running out of content.
In addition to this, once the Holocaust occured, Cover started to do everything with a paper trail. And so they had to vet outside collaborations a lot more, introducing a bunch of bureaucracy in front of outside collab seekers which also served to diminish the interest.
The CN yab also accelerated this circling of wagons. When Hololive was blacklisted for a period of time by most other JP companies, they only had themselves to collab with. But by that point, they had more than enough people that they would never run out of fresh collabs and collab groups.

Subaru talked about this bureaucracy issue as the reason why she reduced her collabs outside of Hololive (among other reasons). Botan talked about how she couldn't control how people outside of her Box would behave during collabs, and that it was a lot "safer" and "comfier" to collab within the box, because any issues could be resolved internally. Tamaki from NoriPro also talked about why he wasn't collabing with the Holo girls as much, because they were freaking busy as all hell (this was around the time of Holofes preparations though).
So in JP - more than the idol angle - I would argue that these were the main reasons that male collabs (and collabs outside of Hololive in general) died off -

Bureaucracy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIvuGHKgw0w
Comfiness/Lack of drama : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bIQIG-uYG4
Being busy with stuff : https://youtu.be/sX9kuXL0ZhM

>>33624028
anon....
your spoiler reps.....

>>33623948
Here are all Suisei streams in the whole year before that.

In two years of Suisei streams there is not a single male collab in her channel, and only a few outside the box collabs
>Toko
>Calli (outside the JP box)

Again, why do people put Suisei in the "collab with males" box?
Did she even ever had a male collab in her channel, ever?

>>33624041
seems pretty on point
>>33624046
>defending anitubers
you should kill yourself now

>>33623774
Mori did alright in that regard desu
Stream alot, collab alot, music alot
Problem is that her game choice is ... Well, shit ...

>>33624088
same lmao she a psycho

>>33624124
There are of course, Holos like Subaru, Miko, Kanata, Noel etc. who came to enjoy this type of "Girls' High School" atmosphere. It helped that JPs could visit each other a lot more often than ENs as well, and them having hags like FBK and Mio to resolve disputes and make sure things were cool between everyone.

HoloEN, meanwhile, is two years into existence and they had only 11 (-1) talents... until Tempus debuted, making it 14.
Now obviously considering that Tempus is within Hololive - and within the HoloproEN branch - there's less bureaucracy standing between them and HoloEN talents. A lot of Holo girls were obviously running out of stream ideas and getting burned out (lack of streams show this), and "male collab" is a "new thing" that they think can revitalize their interest in streaming, just like the HoloJPs of old. It's "fresh content" for them, that they will do not because of any ideaological reasoning (although for some, that may be the case as well) but due to just having "fresh content" on their channel. EN side is also notably averse to flaming males because the EN audience is far less schizo compared to the JP audience.

If HoloEN had debuted another girls' gen in this time period, with a second one on the way in a month or two, this issue could have been avoided. The girls would have more friends to talk to, they could have had fresh collabs, collab ideas and stream ideas in general. They could have kept their content "fresh" without having to resort to male collabs.
Also HoloEN management is far more incompetent with finding sponsorships for the girls. While the JP girls have been getting bombarded with all sorts of sponsorships that align with their interests (Luna Electone, Lamy sake/aquarium, Aqua VN, Botan redbull etc. etc.) to the point that they even have to turn down some of them due to lack of time, the EN girls... haven't been getting shit. The Taco Bell cameo was the last time any major western sponsor even deigned to touch HoloEN.

They also don't have to do recordings for Hologra or the variety programs that happen in the official channel and the fanclub, because EN doesn't have any of that shit. They are also notably blocked from collabing with their peers (NijiEN) but I don't think any of them are banned from collabs with Tsunderia, Kawaii or Prism Project - but I can assume that they have to do a lot of paperwork to materialize these collabs. And only Bae has so far reached out to one of these companies (and that too, only because of her PL relationship), because as mentioned earlier, the bureaucracy of collabing with people from another corpo is a HUGE barrier.

Checking the aforementioned points about HoloJP -
> Bureaucracy : No bureaucratic restrictions in collabing with Tempus.
> Comfiness/lack of drama : Drama comes from the fanbase, not from the talents themselves. Which is something they feel they can tank.
> Being busy with stuff : lol

So most of the blame for this issue imo lies with management not recruiting more talents and not giving the girls enough sponsorship deals to keep them busy.
And once 1 or 2 new EN Gens come around (or even just EN3), I have a feeling Tempus will be dropped like a hot potato.

>>33624075
>>33624095
good feedback

>>33623008
CookieSwirlC, for all that we dunk on converts, has used her vtuber avatar for literally every video since its debut, with no real difference to her views. Seems like another generation of children are going to grow up raised by brown Lamy. As always it boils down to content, I do feel competition is far higher for videos than for streams right now though

>>33624073
He's as dead as Pekora monkey, anon... You have to let him go

>>33624084
>>33624123
I’m in bed shut up…

>>33623948
They use her because she's massively successful and they can use the Roberu collab out of context, because people won't check. Easy pickings.

>>33624140
>someone who's first priority is to avoid drama is a psycho
sister, go back to the doxsite

i have noticed that many unicorns necked themselves already

Why doesn't Kronii just graduate if she wants her "freedom" so much anyway?

>>33624197
Not enough yet.

>>33624156
Feels fucking weird that a Brown Gal Lamy is basically pseudo raising an entire generation of kids. Most of which are probably little girls.

>>33624214
i just want someone to graduate over this FUCK, i'll take anyone

>>33623948
>>33624130
Cope, she still collabed with males and is still a valid comparison

>>33623948
>>33624130

To be fair, Suisei should be put in the "Do what ever the fuck she want" list, because everything she does, she does to promote herself, even if that means collab with males
She also doesn't let her gachis dictate her content either, instead she demands them to put their money where their mouth, which means, you know, promote her

>>33624130
Clearly not having it hosted on her own channel wasn't enough for that schizo Gabe and the 50 or so other membered Kronies who threw a shitfit. Though to be fair they were doxxing her and threatening IRL action for her lack of consistent streaming around IRyS' anniversary which led to that silent stream. To let the schizos and especially doxschizos hold that much power over you is something that will lead to another Rushia. Even if she might not have gotten to the end in the "correct way" this was the only correct end for her own mental health

>>33624214
I mean her reason for joining when she debuted was to make friends and be happy. Seems counterintuitive to graduate right now.

>>33623574
Based Azulim enjoyer

>>33624124
>I would say she only takes on 20% of the blame here.
Kronii takes the full blunt of the blame, not because of wanting to collab or anything, but for being dumb and running her mouth.

Management told her to STFU, she didn't and
1) In a public stream, tried to "masquerade" her complaint as "anti shipping" in a members stream
2) In a fucking youtube comment section, tried to fix it as "no mixed gender shipping" because she figured out the hottest thing going for her was Kronmei, a ship she unceremoniously sank right then and there
3) In a follow up comment in the same comment section, tried to blame "idol culture" for her "no mixed gender shipping" stance
4) In a members stream, tried to fix the above mentioned problems by saying "well, I'll collab with males but only if invited and never in my channel" and "won't interact with them otherwise"
5) Immediately after said members stream, went to interact with the underpants posting Tempus on twitter
6) Went on a break, came back and IMMEDIATELLY reneged on her members stream statement, saying the exact opposite

Here is why it is 100% her fault, with the alternative step 1 she should have taken

Management told her to STFU, she
1) STFU

>>33623019
If they are indeed scammed, then that's their fault for being scammed for being ignorant about how vtuber tourism works. However, they may hold a grudge against the scammer.

>>33624252
Okay, time to deploy a Niji graduation to get those numbers up

>>33624018
Kuroinu is overrated asf

>>33624267
>even if that means collab with males
But she didn't do that, this is dumb as fuck.
My objection is of people saying
>look at Suisei, she often collab with males and nothing happened
But she doesn't.

>>33624214
Well, why don't you graduate from kronies anon?

>>33623259
My akasupas will become cheaper. Banzai! But Google may adjust their pricing due to inflation.

>>33624184
why are autists like this?

>>33624281
No in this case it takes two to tango, Kronii for being a flip flopper and the Kronies themselves for being mentally insane.

>>33624333
Is this "professional setting" cope?

>>33624214
Why would she graduate nijisister she still can go with towa route you absolute mongoloid

>>33624130
>Did she even ever had a male collab in her channel, ever?
There are two covers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXQDUhSr8nU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68iRzgy6c00
Outside her channel well there is quite a lot.
>>33624267
>"Do what ever the fuck she want" list
I agree with this.

>>33623259
YT needs to convert others currencies to USD before being determined as what colour the SC will be. Take TWD for example, 1500 is already a red supa buts it's only $73. What can't be considered a red is 7500, not 1500 because it's above $100.

>>33624274
See >>33624281, she could have "get out of that" simply by, from the start, saying nothing but
>yes, I don't mind collab with Tempus
>I'll ignore further inquires about this
Instead she went into
>Five Point Palm Exploding Heart
and failed miserably

>>33624214
she get the big monies rn

>>33624344
And now Kronii stop flip-flopping, kronies would stop harassing her and her associate, right?

Twitch circle might actually explode if that guy commit suicide huh.

>>33624400
who?

>>33623059
>Is it that hard to be an idealized version of yourself for a few hours a week?
It is hard to act like a retard and lie about yourself a few hours a week, if you dislike it. I don't know how being a retard is ideal. Even Mysta (or is that the other guy) cannot deal with those disgusting fanart.

>>33624303
Let me guess you're a vanillafaggot aren't you?

Gozaru 10k

>>33624400
Yeah, but imagine the numbers if he does it live

>>33624390
They're mad now. She'll never be rid of them.

>>33624160
Also it's funny to me that he listed Bolivian immigrant as an issue ...

>>33624370
Doesn't even need to go full Towa route desu. Just lean in more towards the SNOT route and establish herself more as a member of Gura's friend group. When in doubt hang out with the Blue Woman of Hololive.

>>33624028
It's really good, I rewatched it earlier. Tricolore Airline and Fansa are my favorite parts.
I synced up the Miku MMD and their Tricolore Airline choreography and they did a good job, quite close, might make it a webm tomorrow if I remember

>>33624406
Some 2view scammer, honestly seems like pity and view bait to me.

Pekobros....our gold...duck is overlapping...

>>33623059
One needs to be sufficiently chuunibyou and had kept it for years to survive in this industry

I used to think nijikeks and salomefags were the worst but /infinity/ apologists are really taking the cake here. when did this thread get invaded by so many of these retards?

>>33624443
subaru means nothing outside of the weekend

>>33624427
So in the end kronies are just entitled faggots that seek to "punish" Kronii for their perceived slight to their honour or something.
Stop falling for "both side" narrative anon.

>>33624409
The guy playing Kermit the frog and miss piggy seemed to do it fine. This is just digital puppetry isn't it?

>>33624443
Trust le Number Bunny, bro.
She got this

>>33624470
Never let them feel at home. We did that and looked what happened

>>33624028
I wonder if the "cut half of it" was the Myth part that was given to Kanauru.

>>33624258
lurk more baby

>>33624390
I wish it were that simple but if things go too far than it stops being Kronii's fault and leans more towards psychotic Kronies being dangerous and should be put in a mental facility.

>>33624470
What do you mean? It's the sisters larping, you don't see the sisters pushing any niji right now don't you?

>>33624488
Kronii deserves everything coming her way for abandoning her true fans.

>>33624429
snot is dead. When was the last time they were all together? gura also hates mumei

>>33624485
10k+ outside of her usual weekend slot is nothing to scoff at, at least it'd potentially rob Peko from 90k.

>>33624443
Subaru is weak on overlaps

>>33624379
She was caught unaware by the whole thing and apparently didn't even realize it would be controversial, or perhaps didn't realize the extent of the controversy. So she blundered around trying to fix it and ended up making it worse with each step.
Management should emphasize with the girls: If a controversy starts in your fanbase, just chill out. The worst thing to do is act in haste.

>>33624124
>>33624146
Great exploration. It's something of a confluence of factors, if Myth hadn't blown up and remained ID sized like expected, they would have had time to recruit and outside collabs wouldn't be as risky to the brand. Cast back to 2020 and the attitude to outside collabs was a little more relaxed.

>>33624362
Isn't not, it is just clearing up one misconception. Suisei situation is not the least comparable with the current EN branch predicament, it is not just that she doesn't collab with males in her channel, she doesn't collab outside the box in her channel either.

>>33624374
>Outside her channel well there is quite a lot.
Again, the point is not that Suisei does not *interact* with males. Only the dumbest Gabes are throwing a fit about that.

There is even a better example than Covers in Suisei's channel, some JPop lad gosling hard for Suisei and she even sent a video to his show to wish him Happy Birthday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_qS3E9nNbs

It's not just that her audience doesn't care. The great majority of the Hololive audience couldn't care less.
People that enjoy her live streaming content continue enjoying it because, as shown at >>33623948 and >>33624130, her live content didn't change significant in two years.
People that enjoys her music likewise, people that enjoy her activities outside the box likewise.

The biggest concern about what's going on in the EN branch (except, of course, by retards like Gabe, a clear minority) is that the current situation is signalling a significant change in the type of content coming out of that branch.
That has nothing to do with Suisei and it is not the littlest comparable

>>33624470
>THE MOST INFLUENTIAL THREAD
isn't a joke. /#/ is the heart, lung, brain and liver of this board.

Hmm, I don't think they'll be funneling for the 3d. Can sora even finish that game in 1 hour?

>>33624515
Speaking of kronie schizo >>33624526
Who am I kidding, that anon is nijinigger posing as kronie

>>33624488
I'm just saying she's got permanent schizos on her now, no matter what happens next. These people are the type to harass you for a thousand message until you react. Then they've learned that they can get you to react for the low price of a thousand messages.

>>33624443
With what?

>>33624530
Gura's special guest was Kronii of all people and big brain academy featured Mooms and Kronii with the only exception being Fauna mostly because she's self conscious about looking stupid.

>>33624488
Kronii shouldn't have collabed with males. The Kronies are doing the right thing by keeping their bitch in line. If EN had balls like JP fans then their branch wouldn't be such a retarded shitshow of talents who openly despise and mock their fanbases.

>>33623008
no. the no stream thing applies to a lot of vsinger
somunia, sifar, etc. are vtubers. they don't stream and only post music. has 3d model to stream with. if they're live it's usually at other people's live or vtuber events.
most of the non-vwp kamitsubaki/sinsekai girls like Ciel don't stream. they're still considered vtuber.

>>33624582
There are schizos on this very board who still harass Rushia over daring to have a male friend. They'll never let Kronii off the hook

>>33624558
Basically, we need en3 like 2 months ago.

>>33624558
>she doesn't collab with males in her channel
Uh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXQDUhSr8nU
Also, MGO is arguably more personal than her channel.

>>33624370
NTA but the Towa route took years to cultivate, just to remind you. It's definitely not something that's done in a week or month, and it's only successful because Towa also actually spread her influence wide to other boxes like VSPO, which in turn made their viewerbase started following her and won't leave whenever she collabs with male in APEX because that's the kind of environment they're used to.
If Kronii wanted to go that path then she needs to hone her networking skill hard.

>>33624591
Guras Live was literally chopped in half

>>33624623
We did get it 2 months ago

>>33624406
The sexual assault guy, slick.

>>33624440
Don't think majority of people pity slicker the scammer. The sexual assault guy slick on the other hand is friends with some of otk and seems to have clinical depression for a while already. Doesn't help that asmon otk boss told him to go to die on stream, gonna age like milk. If he really suicides, heads will probably need to roll because of these streamers farming drama for views instead of going to the police.

>>33624566
Liver is a retarded term for your talents

>>33624640
Is that a cover song or an afterparty collab to talk about the song?

>>33624041
kek, look at this post
do you realize how fucking pathetic holofags looks like?
this is why nijisanji fans is far superior

>>33624379
Yeah, for someone who religiously follows this shit like a /vt/ sister it's an agonizing wait for her to say what she she ultimately wanted to say, for the rest of the fanbase it basically went like-

Kronii goes on DbD Collab

Kronii does twitter banter on a trending Hololive topic

Kronii says she's taking a break but will show up outside her channel

Kronii shows up to Guras' two Big Brain collabs and does twitter sharing / spaces

Kronii is revealed to be in Ame's worms tourney 2nd week

Kronii shows up in cardboard in Gura's 4mil concert

Kronii has a tweet that goes along with her schedule saying that she's gonna be doing collabs with other Holopro talents

She reasserts the tweet at the front of her first solo stream back and most of her viewers barely know anything was boiling in the background, only that some entitled fucks have likely attacked her in some way

The Nijisanji model is a failed vtuber model. Mixed gens don't work. There's a reason Hololive completely shits on Niji in engagement, live viewers and merch sales. There's a reason Hololive dominates Comiket and Niji barely has a presence. Male collabs have literally no benefit and a whole host of downsides unless you want your entire company propped up by one month of meme baseball

>>33624621
>Rushia schizo
Anons shittalking about Nazuna it's not "Rushia schizo"
They stopped harassing her after her graduation, that is if they ever "harassed" her beyond some twitter posts.

>>33624041
you will make homobeggars seethe again

>>33624530
there's a snot collab in the works this week according to moom

>>33624281
I mean, if not Kronii, it will be someone else, then the blame will shift to them

Because like this anon said: >>33624124 >>33624146, the problem of EN will not go away, and sooner or later, one of the girl will do something stupid and suffer the fall out

>>33624674
It is great branding because it sets you apart from your competitors.

>>33624651
And that's relevant how? Gura still made a big deal about who the special guest was so it's not like she persona non grata her.

>>33624623
>we need en3 like 2 months ago.
That anon was trolling about
>no evidence existing for EN3
and
>StarsEN being EN3
and, back then, it was truly baffling.

In hindsight tho, if does not take a lot of leaps to make a case for it
>EN management and some EN girls decided their current trajectory (matching JP editorial stance) wouldn't allow for their full growth
>EN management decides to go their own way and declare editorial independence, tear down the "old strategy guide" and do their own thing, more fitting to the north american audience

I am not saying it is that, only that it is no longer so baffling to imagine that would be the case

>>33624689
HoloEN proves you wrong.

>>33624668
No matter how much you shitpost, tempus is NOT holoLIVE. They're holoSTARS and this entire situation has come about because they're way too fucking gung-ho to accept every collab invite from the girls, thus blurring the lines. I don't order mayonnaise expecting to get a big chunk of ketchup in the bottle as a 'surprise'.

>>33624678
>afterparty
This is just EN thing

>>33624678
So song cover doesn't count as collab?
Can you tell me what else don't count as collabs so I could compile your copes into a notepad or smth

>>33624679
Those schizo not gonna let Mito get away with it

EN is a dead branch. They were dead when they needed to create the cripple tally and they're double dead now that Omega has turned them into a budget Luxiem and Friends.

>>33624411
Not even that, but to me the premise is just stupid
I watched all the monster sex, and skip over everything else desu

>>33624526
You were never fans of Kronii, just what you wanted Kronii to be.

>>33624443
the fgo will be tourist central anon, specially if she does the gacha

>>33624041

Smart people would look at this and agree but not all are smart.

>>33624640
That cover happened because she made a project to release covers with holos who have space/star as their theme. Look Moona duet cover and failed Sana cover plan.

>>33624737
>Food metaphors
Don't eat the food nigga, no one is forcing you to open up a clearly labeled stream frame

https://twitter.com/sto__holo/status/1571907414924103682
https://twitter.com/sto__holo/status/1571905502883479552
https://twitter.com/zag_nyama/status/1571904766116233216
Okayu on TV. People watching Okayu on TV instead of YT.

>>33623513
>Mumei
>Anti-male faction

>>33624041
Pascal's Wager got debunked, like a month into his publication anon.

>>33624623
Coming in October.

>>33624695
It's terrible branding because it's the name of an organ, and not an obscure one either. You don't want the first response of every person who actually speaks English to be "Why are you talking about livers" when they hear the term.
Overly-confident Japanese salarymen making up ridiculous and embarrassing English terms that they think sound cool, many such cases

Iroha...

>>33624735
HoloEN is a corpse riddled with tranny worms. It's dead, Jim, let it go. If Gura can make enough JP connections in the next couple of months she might survive the implosion.

>>33624555
>If a controversy starts in your fanbase, just chill out. The worst thing to do is act in haste.
And before people say anything, JP is also susceptible to this

>>33624755
The sex was hot that's all that matters. If you want story just read Kuroinu Fanfics. For some reason the series is fairly popular as a vehicle for story telling.

>>33624780
>Otonaki VTUBER Nekomata Okayu
Adult energy Vtuber?

>>33624778
Huh? Does Izuru's name contain word realted to space?
I didn't know that

>>33624696
it won't happen. Snot has 3 lazy fucks

>>33624816
i mean, from the look of the screenshot, it's a section about retro games

>>33623513
>mumei
https://youtu.be/dEYg2corsqc

>>33624774
Laplace and Voltaire must be some dumbfucks then

>>33624834
>Forced collab
Try again homobeggar

>>33624812
Yes of course JP is susceptible. Rushia being the obvious example. She'd still be in Sankisei if she had done exactly one thing after that stream: turn off her computer and wait for her manager to call her. Do nothing. Watch TV and ignore social media.
That's it, that one little step.

>>33624843
Unicuck, please.

>>33624642
we'll lets just hope she's smart enough to think of that or something , just don't graduate she would be giving what nijisisters want

>>33624843
define forced collab heterodenier

>>33624748
I'm not that anon, I'm just asking whether it's an afterparty. You seem insistent on stretching the term collab to cover literally everything, which is fine but anyone reading that anon's post could clearly see what he meant was actual, interactive collabs, like the one Suisei had with Roberu, or FOXDEMON streams. Not sure if you're just obtuse or being disingenuous.

>>33624793
did she get the rank already, i don't want this triple holox overlap they made for some reason

can you retards go timeloop the mumei-starsJP collab elsewhere

>>33624722
>In hindsight tho, if does not take a lot of leaps to make a case for it
>EN management and some EN girls decided their current trajectory (matching JP editorial stance) wouldn't allow for their full growth
>EN management decides to go their own way and declare editorial independence, tear down the "old strategy guide" and do their own thing, more fitting to the north american audience

I wonder what kind of number did they get to justify this stance? As far as we know, early 2020-2021 Myth as a smashing success by all account ...

https://twitter.com/Gashapon_Bandai/status/1572148641057640448

>>33624812
That's for every controversy. All you need to do is shut up and wait for the PR department. Mafumafu waited and he get off scot free.

>>33624816
Yeah fat catto radiate that lewd Oneesan energy

>>33624894
No. She's a whore.

>>33624888
No, I'm asking you, does song cover count as collab or not?
Because there's no way you would be dumb enough to look at that link I pasted and thought it's am afterparty.
You want to talk about disingenuous? That's the prime example of disingenuous

>>33624879
Nijisisters are heavily shilling male collabs because they know it will ruin Hololives competitive advantage and drag them into the muck. HoloJP will always shitstomp Niji into the dirt as a matter of course, but I fear EN is going to lose it's dominance when it becomes NijiEN lite

Anyone keeping track of the Pekora FGO vod view numbers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSeTUJyAC3Y
Has it been culled at all?
Seems to be gaining at least 1k views every 3-5 minutes from what i caught.

DE GOZARUUUUUUU

>>33624846
Well her manager did call her ASAP. Still didn't stop her running her mouth, but let's not talk about that green whore anymore since she defies logic.

Why are >we like this ?

>>33624281
Anon pic related works both ways.
No sane person blames a child when it's being a little shit. They blame the parents for not raising them well.
And for most of our history, if a girl was acting up, the blame would be primarily on her father or her husband if she had one.

In the context of the company, the management is the "leader role" in the lives of these women. They will only go as much as management allows them to.
Management has failed to construct an environment where they would have enough people to collaborate with inside their own Box, and were forced to look elsewhere.
Kronii is a woman, you don't blame women for being retarded, it's their natural state of being. Their handler should have done a better job in this instance.

>(C100) [Roubai-tei (atahuta)] HEED MY MOANS (Hololive) [English] [Xzosk]
It's time

>>33624814
>Kuroinu Fanfics
That shit exists?

>>33624944
I didn't click on the link, how would I know if it was just the song or an afterparty?

>>33624956
hasn't been culled so far. Is it because it's tourist viewers instead of holobox viewers?

>>33624778
Yeah, no.
Shogun has nothing to do with "space theme", his name literally means master of music and his oshi mark is a fucking guitar.

>>33624948
Just graduate them all and start anew. Define the rules clearly and forbid them from interacting with stars.

>>33624967
HOLY INCLINE. TO THE MOON BABYYYYYY

Is there a good ending for kronies?

>>33624967
DO IROHA GO
BEAT THAT PANDA

>>33624967
Btw, no male colllabs = incline to the moon

>>33624982
So you don't even look at the evidence I posted and instead chose to argue about semantic?
It looks like your mind is made up anon, there's no need for you to pretend to side with kronies.

28 EN streams and only 3 broke 10k. Its likely that every western stream watcher is watching that dumbass Twitch drama bullshit instead of vtubers in US primetime.

>>33624967
Does anyone have known splatoon rankings for holomems?
I know it's posted here once.

>>33624977
>atahuta
I still can't get over how the guy draw boobs
Looks like actual lump of fat

>>33624988
At first only Astel is invited, but Astel dragged Izuru to join that project

https://youtu.be/4oxVyAXTJJw new (cover?) out from Watame

>>33624758
To be fair, Kronii makes it easy because she doesn't really have ambition or a personality. So people just project. Fortunately, they are exceedingly schizos

>>33624834
Yea, the collab that she went in specifically to troll the shit out of the stars with her drawings and acted like a complete non-entity outside of drawing. No one cares because mumke herself was mostly disinterested outside of shocking them, and she hasn't bothered to care about collabing with the stars since.

>>33624977
>another braindead hypnosis setup
Have hentai writes become unable to come up with good reasons why women would want to fuck their men?

>>33624843
>forced collab
this word has been used multiple times as coping mechanism since bae's first homo collab

>>33624991
Might as well say you want to forfeit the EN market anon

>>33625086
>Astel dragged Izuru
kek
Did Izuru said that on his unarchived tier 3 mengen stream?

>>33625105
>>33625100

>>33625013
Yes, they are in the middle of the LV8 Bond Event. Kronii is being gaslighted by evil Mori into having doubts on her self-will.
Kronies need to endure this and push back when it's necessary to unlock the next bond level and dispel Mori's shenanigans out of their oshi.
Until then will there be no more male collabs for good.

>>33625068
Its even worse when you realise 3/4 of snot and ina streamed today. Western vtubing is pathetic

>>33625102
Aiue Oka is the god of hypnosis, nobody else writes scenarios the way he does

>>33625068
Glad you now know the kind of BS EN Vtuber has to deal with
Now compare it to JP

>>33625079
I fucking hate atahuta body type, every girls looks like blob of fat.

>>33624944
I am the anon that posted >>33624130 and >>33623948.
If you read really attentively you’ll notice the sentence is
>With the exception of one shill stream, she doesn't even have a single male ***live stream collab*** or even one outside the box live stream collab in her channel in the past year of streaming.

That part, the “live stream” one is important because it connects to the main point of the post which is: her situation is not comparable with what’s going on with the EN branch.
It is not comparable because she does a great job keeping her live streaming activities in her channel consistent and within the box.

>>33624980
Yes and their surprisingly popular especially crossover fics. Biggest one was a 100% serious Bloodborne Crossover which kick started the fanfic boom for Kuroinu.

>>33624898
It's a 'this might be a thing'
I'm of the opinion that en3 was supposed to debut in July, but Sana fucked things up for everyone. That would've lined up with past timetables and the time from when they opened auditions for en3 and when they mentioned they were looking for dudes as well on the en side.
If that's the case, then Sana fucked up a lot more shit than we thought.

>>33625145
Don't worry, Omega has the cure. More Stars collabs will help EN incline

>>33625094
yeah, one of the Overlord openings, she talked about it last stream.

She's been doing a lot of cooler songs lately.
This one doesn't have the distracting air horn Addiction had, but it's also not a very good song to begin with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-kfxNvTkOE

>>33625073
For 2 or 3? I don't think there's that many of them playing ranked on 3 yet, most of the time they're only doing Salmon Runs.

>>33625136
You are unwell or posing as unwell, I hope you find solace in your mental illness or at least a positive outlet for your creative writing

>>33625013
There's no good ending for anyone anymore. Hence the doomposting.

Did we really get a sudden huge influx of homobeggar suddenly or the sisters are just unhinged

>>33624816
It's "dai ninki" you fool, means "super popular".

>>33625158
Why do I need to put "exception" on my post?
Or what? Do you think Suityan won't ever collab with males on her channel ever again? And that Cinema cover would be the sole exception to that?
You know what exception means right?

>>33625206
kek, I never had seen it like that, by kanji reps betrayed me

>>33624942
Not as much as Enna is

>>33625205
Both. Board is flooded with twitter/reddit tourists, might be unsalvageable at this stage.

>>33625148
JP drama can get as much as 380k ccv on JP primetime anon. Ask kore2

>>33625146
I know, hypnosis used to be an interesting story mechanic,
before it became the go to "just start fucking" cheap gimmick that ~50% of non-original eromanga use.

>>33625013
Yes, the one where they find a better oshi.

>>33625222
use 10ten or other kanji helper plugin

>>33624898
>JP old strategy guide
If anything, EN is following FBK playbook to a T.

>>33625232
I mean, how many drama channel can you list on top of your head?

>>33625205
this is not hlgg, go back to your hugbox holokek

>>33625148
newfag...

>>33625231
>leddit tourists
You mean KFags.

>>33625205
nah, this feels like the usual shitstirer testing out their bait posts

>>33625205
Nah. However, the amount of drama-starved faggots doomposting HoloEN has exceeded all limits.

>>33624752
Do you think J-Chad is the one posting the cripple tally?

>>33625035
I was asking for clarification because I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you actually did read what you were replying to, and didn't just post a song cover in response to a post that said
>there's an even better example than covers
So which is it, obtuse or disingenuous?

>>33625217
Anon, read again and again. The point is not that
>Suisei does not collab with males
or
>Suisei does not interact with males
She does and she does and, like anon said, Suisei does what Suisei wants.

The main point is that Suisei live streaming content is uniform and mostly unchanged in the past two years and that her channel is not a good example for the type of changes that is going on in the EN branch.
The exact same point can be made for Fubuki, on the opposite side. She has regular collabs with Oga (for instance) and most of her content is uniform and similar to what she does for the past two years.

Both Suisei and Fubuki are great examples of how it is *not* collab with males that is creating this much friction in the EN branch but "abrupt change in content style"

>>33624977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQQD3Ok0Uk
1 hour away actually.

There have been a hell of a lot of new songs lately actually.
The Watame one just now, Mori's a few hours ago, Iroha and Azki 2 days ago, Kiara, Ame, Okayu, Mumei & Bae

>>33625177
>>33625094
Will it beat the Phony line on its first week?

>>33625205
Larpers, you can notice there's lesser shitposts about Niji and more on regards to Homo

>>33625013
To every single Kronie faggot who made a big deal about how they were “ex deadbeats” and how Kronii was Mori 2.0 who’d never collab with men, choke on it you disgusting faggots.

>>33625346
No I agree with those points, I just provide one evidence that debunked the whole cope of
>Suisei never collabed with males on her channel.
That's it.
Now whether that anon or you classify song cover as "collab" or not is different talking point entirely.

>>33625367
That wasn’t a new song. It was an old song from the UnAlive album that got an MV.

>>33625375
No. It sounds 'just fine', might have better legs than Odo or Addiction in the long run though.

Also, Phony should get a "Suisei not here" buff.

>>33625346
This reminds me of Bae's talk with brats about StarsEN collab, she said something similar like "things won't change" and her action and content still remain the same just with some StarsEN sprinkle around.

>>33625337
Again, do you classify Cinema cover as "collab" or not?
It seems to me you're being purposely obtuse with the whole "better example" thing.

>>33625376
Then we have to up niji shitpost then
Here I'll start

>>33625417
ok, new song video releases then, to be accurate.

That's still 10 in less than 1 week.
The first 2 weeks of September only had 7 combined.

>>33625013
You kronies better stay the fuck away from Kaela

>>33625467
dozo

>>33625481
are you memeing here or something?
the IDs don't care at all about this.

>>33625481
They’re going to move onto whoever has the deepest voice and fat tits in EN3 just like they did when they moved from Mori to Kronii. Hope it wnds just as well for the cunts

>>33625487
HAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHHAHA HOLY BASED

>>33625398
she even do a 3D collab with males and niji on their channel
but never bring them into her channel
https://youtu.be/F6rVx4dkeho

>>33625487
How unoriginal.
Niji-antis can only be cheap copies (literally)

>>33625487
>ARS
All these poorfags fake disgust me, they put "Condom money for Connor" legacy into the fucking ground.

>>33625467

>>33625434
It is a collab project, but it's not a stream collab. The stubborn insistence on taking this discussion outside the framework of collabs as set forth in that anon's very first post here
>>33623948
>shill stream
>she doesn't even have a single male live stream collab
>outside the box live stream collab
and jumping in with covers as proof even is what makes you come off as obtuse.

>>33625528
they are nijis itself after all

>>33625499
I and couple other anons saw some kronies in Kaela chat yesterday night.
You and I know their endgame, they think they could groom Kaela better than they did Kronii.

>>33624956
She will get culled after 24hrs

How is /#/ doing today?

It's working bros they're seething

triple holox 10k

>>33625558
How can someone see those two discord screen side to side and not realize that the first one is fake ?

>>33625544
So,
>Cover song collab and MGO are not collab per se, they're COLLAB PROJECTS. Entirely different than collab
Glad to know your line of reasoning anon, or lack thereof.

damn kronii couldnt even beat 10k with the return + all the drama buff last night, she really is fucked

>>33625572
seething already it seems.

discussing bullshit like 'male collabs le bad' and Nijibaits instead of any numbers.
Pekroa guaranteed gold anyway.

>>33625587
>Tweet didn't get traction
Nijisisters what's this? lmao

>>33625627
The vesper collab is the big event

>>33625467
Never forget how these sisters operate

>>33624558
At least Sakuma Daisuke have a great contribution to increase her music reach and have been seen in magazine and tv show using suisei's merchandise to shilling her music to general public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VJ9uLJFndE

More clip numbers.
Pekora(5->1) cheats with FGO buff. Gura(1->2) keeps pace with 3D afterparty zatsu. Miko(2->3) with zatsu. Kuzuha(7->4) with Splatoon. Chloe(10->5) with zatsu. HL Official(4->6), Salome(3->7), Marine(6->8) all with old clips. Korone(14->9) with Splatoon. Fubuki(11->10) with old clips.
Good performances by Kobo(24->12) with zatsu(fanart), Iroha(33->19) with Splatoon, Mio(32->20) with Splatoon/zatsu, Kiara(37->22) with song afterparty, Ange(39->27) with an animation (dQcMOZu5Ork, +90k/2), Fauna(64->28) with Skyrim, Polka(42->29), Ina(47->30), Kronii(52->31).
Split today is 16.4M(-2.0M) HL to 11.1M(-820k) NJ.

>>33625608
You think Vox's Love Slave is a parody name?
Anon...

>>33625633
Gura easy gold today anon. Pegors FGO doesn't have novelty buff anymore.

>>33625398
>I just provide one evidence that debunked (...) Suisei never collabed with males on her channel.
Are you illiterate? Read again the quote at the post you are replying at >>33624130, I'll highlight it
>With the exception of one shill stream, she doesn't even have a single male LIVE STREAM COLLAB or even one outside the box LIVE STREAM COLLAB in her channel in the past year of streaming.
Whatever you are "debunking" is not even in the initial post that created this chain of replies

>>33625657
Graph.

>>33625661
You can't actually remove the time next to your name on discord layout, anon, not even with better discord.

>>33625627
her next 2 collabs will break 10k easily

>>33625663
>15k
At least put a better bait you fag, like ID1 mini concert for example.

>>33625487
Reminds me of that fish

>>33625696
>her next 2 collabs will break 10k easily
>We were here together
Nah, I don't think so.

>>33625683
expected more views for pekkers fgo
pretty good still.

>>33625645

>>33625681
See >>33624130
>Did she even ever had a male collab in her channel?
Now are you blind or obtuse or both?

>>33625617
They're both collabs, they're just not the same type of collab. I'm not sure if you're just pretending not to understand at this point if you really can't grasp the difference as far as content is concerned.

>>33625711
isn't that with mumei? if that doesn't break 10k both of them have reclined and need to graduate

>>33625697
Well ID gold, Gura gold or Subaru gold. Pick one.

>>33625467
And how can we ever forget Millie sending photos of herself to Alban and saying to taste her goodness someday

>>33625750
No no I get you.
I get that you fags would rather made some stupid category in order to deny Suityan male collabs, even though hoshiyomis consider those as collab.
Point taken.

>>33625696
maybe, and then she'll be diving into the 5k solos by next week

>>33625760
We were here together is the biggest debuff collab game, along with this shitty spy game

>>33625729
Anon, it is in the context of the same post.
I assumed that, when the initial post made it clear that the subject is
>live stream collabs
and it got mentioned twice in the opening post, it doesn't need to be repeated alongside the word "collab" for every single instance down the line.

I assumed wrong, I'm sorry, I should have gauged the audience better.
Now that you understand the context and amended with "live stream collab" in your mind I assume you agree with the two posts

>>33625760
It's the fucking WE WERE HERE series, that puzzle shit is a bore and with 2 POVs, it's going to struggle to crack 10k.

>>33625790
>Alban is thirsting after Millie AND Ollie
Alban, bro, pick better girls

>>33625802
its still mumei and kronii, they should break 10k no matter the game.

What happened with Mel? WHy is she not streaming?

>>33625806
So basically this >>33625617

>>33625794
Anon, one exception does not disprove the rule. It actually makes the rule stronger

I've been lurking on the /infinity/ thread and they seem to mention something called a "bond level". Is this a thing Kronii made? Or was it made up by kronies on that thread?

>>33625837
they can't even get 10k with yuri fanfic stream

>>33625790
Nina doxxed bomu never forget nijisisters